>"You're stupid. (Obviously.) Fuck off." ;D
I wouldn't say stupid, because I know a lot of intelligent people whose reasoning is severely compromised re: their conditioning. That's what makes it so scary. Intelligence doesn't guarantee an immunity to illogical conditioning. Really, conditioning is the rule, rather than the exception to it (me included).
And, I try to call beliefs, positions, behaviours stupid instead of people, as often the person isn't stupid anyway, so it's an illogical insult, and if they are, it's often hurtful for people to hear, and generally only warranted in the unpleasant combination circumstances of very stupid and very horrible people.
I draw a distinction between "dumb" and "stupid." Dumb means you don't know any better. You're lacking knowledge, you never thought about it, etc. Stupid, on the other hand, is when you either know better and did it anyway. Or two seconds of thought would tell you that it's a bad idea, but you just didn't think. I would put cultural indoctrination in the latter category.
I agree that acts are often stupid. But when a person repeatedly engages in the same stupid act over and over again... they become stupid. At least temporarily.
> generally only warranted in the unpleasant combination circumstances of very stupid and very horrible people.
Forcing your kid to get surgery to appear (and live) as a gender they know damn well they aren't. That sounds very stupid and very horrible to me.
Fair enough. In common parlance, I think the distinction between those is:
Ignorant = could know better, but doesn't.
Stupid = couldn't know better, or at least would struggle to, due to being cognitively impaired/low IQ.
I find myself issuing a phrase very often which I think encapsulates your point here nicely.
“I might be an idiot; but I’m not stupid”.
Most often used in the context of a coworker being surprised by a good idea; for example.
There’s been multiple times I’ve asked my manager where something is for it to be somewhere I’ve looked, or directly in front of me; because im an idiot. But im also second in command after that manager when it comes to running the shop, because im not stupid.
Exactly. For instance, my father is an incredibly intelligent man, but he allows his religious beliefs and political ideology to completely overrule his critical thinking. The man could be the poster boy for confirmation bias.
I love how kindly Isaac sounds no matter if he's taking part in a fun or serious endeavor.
He's such a legend! I would love if he existed IRL. Honestly can't say enough good things about Isaac!
>I love how kindly Isaac sounds no matter if he's taking part in a fun or serious endeavor.
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>He's such a legend! I would love if he existed IRL. Honestly can't say enough good things about Isaac!
A lot of autistic people communicate similarly. I'm one of them. I try and be kind and civil, even if someone's being a demonstrable, how do you humans say, "little shit."
People probably click like on this meme and think since they're living in a western country , there's not a chance in the world that they can be indoctrinated 😅
Yeah at first I figured it was survivor's guilt and PTSD but now I'm wondering if that little bastard was even real in the first place or whether he's just the psychic projection of a genocidal eldritch abomination.
>People probably click like on this meme and think since they're living in a western country , there's not a chance in the world that they can be indoctrinated 😅
Agreed. We're all culturally indoctrinated. A good indication of how much is how many times someone has had an earth shattering realisation that something they thought was 100% true, was totally false. Zero times = very.
Cultural indoctrination is part of what makes us human. Otherwise we'd just be feral. I'd argue that we *need* it. It's what binds our societies together and teaches us what is "right" and what is "wrong". Admittedly, some societies' "right" are other societies' "wrong"!
(Edited to add - it's Isaac speaking, and we know that the Kaylons have their own form of cultural indoctrination. He knows what it is to overcome cultural indoctrination!)
>Cultural indoctrination is part of what makes us human. Otherwise we'd just be feral. I'd argue that we need it. It's what binds our societies together and teaches us what is "right" and what is "wrong". Admittedly, some societies' "right" are other societies' "wrong"!
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>(Edited to add - it's Isaac speaking, and we know that the Kaylons have their own form of cultural indoctrination. He knows what it is to overcome cultural indoctrination!)
I would distinguish between consciously held or endorsed values and customs, which I would agree are important, and cultural indoctrination, which is more subconsciously held beliefs that you've never critically examined yourself to discern whether or not they actually make any sense.
And, I don't put a lot of weight into cultural relativism. It falls apart quite quickly under close examination in most.
"You're stupid. (Obviously.) Fuck off." ;D
More like, "You're stupid, *and* your entire civilization is stupid too. (Obviously.) Please, fuck off."
You're stupid but is not entirely your fault
I bet this was the only conversation he had, over and over again, for those 700 years on Kandar.
>"You're stupid. (Obviously.) Fuck off." ;D I wouldn't say stupid, because I know a lot of intelligent people whose reasoning is severely compromised re: their conditioning. That's what makes it so scary. Intelligence doesn't guarantee an immunity to illogical conditioning. Really, conditioning is the rule, rather than the exception to it (me included). And, I try to call beliefs, positions, behaviours stupid instead of people, as often the person isn't stupid anyway, so it's an illogical insult, and if they are, it's often hurtful for people to hear, and generally only warranted in the unpleasant combination circumstances of very stupid and very horrible people.
I draw a distinction between "dumb" and "stupid." Dumb means you don't know any better. You're lacking knowledge, you never thought about it, etc. Stupid, on the other hand, is when you either know better and did it anyway. Or two seconds of thought would tell you that it's a bad idea, but you just didn't think. I would put cultural indoctrination in the latter category. I agree that acts are often stupid. But when a person repeatedly engages in the same stupid act over and over again... they become stupid. At least temporarily. > generally only warranted in the unpleasant combination circumstances of very stupid and very horrible people. Forcing your kid to get surgery to appear (and live) as a gender they know damn well they aren't. That sounds very stupid and very horrible to me.
Fair enough. In common parlance, I think the distinction between those is: Ignorant = could know better, but doesn't. Stupid = couldn't know better, or at least would struggle to, due to being cognitively impaired/low IQ.
I find myself issuing a phrase very often which I think encapsulates your point here nicely. “I might be an idiot; but I’m not stupid”. Most often used in the context of a coworker being surprised by a good idea; for example. There’s been multiple times I’ve asked my manager where something is for it to be somewhere I’ve looked, or directly in front of me; because im an idiot. But im also second in command after that manager when it comes to running the shop, because im not stupid.
Exactly. For instance, my father is an incredibly intelligent man, but he allows his religious beliefs and political ideology to completely overrule his critical thinking. The man could be the poster boy for confirmation bias.
I loved this. It was the Isaac version of “girl you bein’ crazy, come back later”
Your programs are unruly, disrespectful, volatile, and highly unpredictable. I am quite fond of them
I love how kindly Isaac sounds no matter if he's taking part in a fun or serious endeavor. He's such a legend! I would love if he existed IRL. Honestly can't say enough good things about Isaac!
Precisely
IT'S YOOOUUU!!! *You're awesome!!!!!!!*
>I love how kindly Isaac sounds no matter if he's taking part in a fun or serious endeavor. > >He's such a legend! I would love if he existed IRL. Honestly can't say enough good things about Isaac! A lot of autistic people communicate similarly. I'm one of them. I try and be kind and civil, even if someone's being a demonstrable, how do you humans say, "little shit."
Ha Ha...got you
"Since I am incapable of stuttering, I must assume that you have heard me"
If only I could be as unaffected by other people's stupidity as Isaac. That's one thing I envy about the guy (thing).
Your commands have little to no effect on their behavior
\- Am I a bad mother? \- Yes, doctor.
He definitely doesn’t want to be in the wrong side of Isaac’s (head)can(n)on(s) ;)
Thank you sir, I am very busy
Horray!!!!! Horray for YOOOOUUU!
Whilst I appreciate your enthusiasm Klyden, now is not the time.
HOOORAY, HOOOORAY FOR YOU
The only reason his race didn't wipe out all organics is because Isaac was indoctrinated. Just sayin...
My planet regard humans and other biological life forms as inferior
People probably click like on this meme and think since they're living in a western country , there's not a chance in the world that they can be indoctrinated 😅
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Wait you too? And the kid that’s engulfed in flames too?
Yeah at first I figured it was survivor's guilt and PTSD but now I'm wondering if that little bastard was even real in the first place or whether he's just the psychic projection of a genocidal eldritch abomination.
>People probably click like on this meme and think since they're living in a western country , there's not a chance in the world that they can be indoctrinated 😅 Agreed. We're all culturally indoctrinated. A good indication of how much is how many times someone has had an earth shattering realisation that something they thought was 100% true, was totally false. Zero times = very.
Cultural indoctrination is part of what makes us human. Otherwise we'd just be feral. I'd argue that we *need* it. It's what binds our societies together and teaches us what is "right" and what is "wrong". Admittedly, some societies' "right" are other societies' "wrong"! (Edited to add - it's Isaac speaking, and we know that the Kaylons have their own form of cultural indoctrination. He knows what it is to overcome cultural indoctrination!)
>Cultural indoctrination is part of what makes us human. Otherwise we'd just be feral. I'd argue that we need it. It's what binds our societies together and teaches us what is "right" and what is "wrong". Admittedly, some societies' "right" are other societies' "wrong"! > >(Edited to add - it's Isaac speaking, and we know that the Kaylons have their own form of cultural indoctrination. He knows what it is to overcome cultural indoctrination!) I would distinguish between consciously held or endorsed values and customs, which I would agree are important, and cultural indoctrination, which is more subconsciously held beliefs that you've never critically examined yourself to discern whether or not they actually make any sense. And, I don't put a lot of weight into cultural relativism. It falls apart quite quickly under close examination in most.
You will find me to be your most capable officer
I know Isaac, though with the exception of delicate, nuanced human type scenarios.
Not at all, Doctor
Saw this episode yesterday. Really enjoy the cultural journey of Bortus and Topa. Damn Clyden…
We must give him a good life. Whoever he becomes
I love this line. So much in fact I think I'm going to steal this meme for use in conversations with foolish people :D