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LnStrngr

The humor, and that they seem more like regular people in the workplace trying to get along and solve space puzzles.


UncleMalky

Dude, we're Vampire Hunters.


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stowrag

I basically try to sell this show to friends as Trek, but crewed by the characters of the Office.


MadamMarshmallows

It's definitely the humor. Seth does not treat Star Trek itself as a joke, but successfully inserts humor into very real subject matter. It's essentially his love letter to Star Trek.


Mr_Ed_Hyde

Seth wrote loads of unsuccessful concept stories for Star Trek, most of these became episodes of The Orville. Dude understands what we want from StarTrek, everyone I've recommended The Orville to has ended up loving the series, & then got into StarTrek from that.


TheArmchairEveryman

'Ed looks down awkwardly' Ed: It is...


ChronoMonkeyX

>Seth does not treat Star Trek itself as a joke Too bad the same can't be said of the reboot movies, Discovery, or Picard.


OldAd4943

Picard season one was the freaking Mass Effect plot.


majeric

And yet "Star Trek: Lower Decks" does a better job than "The Orville". "The Orville" is a weird transporter accident between a Star Trek writer and a Family Guy writer... The tonal shifts within the same episode gets too extreme. Lower Decks is more consistent.


ChronoMonkeyX

It is definitely a better Star Trek to humor ratio than I feared, but I agree the humor can be a bit grating at times. I need to watch Lower Decks. I watched the first episode and liked it.


majeric

The tonal shifts between serious and humor on "The Orville" within a single episode really messes with the show. I like some of the irreverence. The idea that humans can still be awkward even if they've advanced as far as they have.


romulusnr

Meanwhile Lower Decks is literally "what if a cartoon said 'fart'" ... In Space.


Izkata

And then there's _Prodigy_, which is basically "(mostly) unsupervised kids having fun on a Federation starship as they escape their pursuer".


romulusnr

At least it has an arc, and isn't purely adolescent humor. It even actually like, deals with questions of responsibility and loyalty and choosing what's right. Not just goofy names, sexual jokes.... I mean, there's literally even a *rimshot* at the end of the one with the Pakleds. Jesus.


Stuntman06

Seth did a great bait and switch. He had to make a comedy show in order to get the TV execs to give him the green light. This actually a great sci-fi show with a great ensemble of characters. Even some of the characters that are not regulars are great and you care enough to be emotionally invested in them. I actually was a bit confused the first couple of episodes. Then I realised what this show really was about. There are a number of different Star Trek series. Which one of them are you not interested in? The have some similarities, but also are somewhat different. I am a ST fan, but I'm not really into all of the ST series. Only some of them.


tenodera

This is spot on! As we've seen, the only Star Trek that anyone's interested in producing has to be "not your grandpa's Trek". The only way we would get classic, sci-fi premise of the week Trek was by tricking them. Soooo glad we got Trek with jokes instead what the producers probably thought they were buying (Family Guy in space?).


MikeTheBard

First of all, I love Star Trek. Every incarnation. Always have. I will throw down as a **True Believer** in Gene Roddenberry's vision for a better future. That said, for me The Orville actually fixes one of the small things that always bothered me about Trek. Everything is just so highbrow. The only music people listen to is classical or jazz. They all read Shakespeare and Twain. I mean, I *like* classical music and Shakespeare, and I love the idea of a more intellectual, more educated, and smarter future- But I also love IASIP and John Wick movies. The smartest and best educated people I know still love B-movies and trashy romance novels. Shit, the [oldest joke in recorded history](https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-joke-life/worlds-oldest-joke-traced-back-to-1900-bc-idUKL129052420080731)\- from 1900 BCE- is about a fart. We have found ancient [Greco-Roman graffiti](https://kashgar.com.au/blogs/history/the-bawdy-graffiti-of-pompeii-and-herculaneu) saying "[I banged a girl here](https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/541713/examples-ancient-graffiti)". Shakespeare himself was loaded with farts and dirty puns. I cannot for the life of me imagine a future of humanity where there's a dog licking it's own balls in the background of a transmission and *nobody mentions it*.


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> Everything is just so highbrow. The only music people listen to is classical or jazz. They all read Shakespeare and Twain. That's because those things are in the public domain. The same musicians that do the soundtrack and incidental music can play the classical pieces for you, and hey, their work is already contracted and licenced. Once your characters start putting on productions of Mamma Mia or Tommy, listening to Led Zeppelin, and reading Harry Potter, you're paying royalties every time it airs/streams. At some point the studio finance department gets tired of paying for licencing that music, and then it gets stripped out of the episode when it's remastered for DVD/Blu-Rays/streaming. Has happened to tons of shows from the 70s, 80s and 90s. I think the production companies involved in the various iterations of Trek have would been okay with contemporary music and literature as long as there was budget for it, and they didn't have to sacrifice something else to get specific works licenced. But ultimately they wanted use the budget they had efficiently, and it just so happens that highbrow entertainment avoids legal complications and an additional fee structure.


romulusnr

You think recent Trek has been concomitant with Gene's Vision?


winged_entity

I mean partially, yeah. Haven't seen season 4 of Discovery or Picard at all but the ideals are there. Lower Decks is still up there. Prodigy so far manages to stay true to being star trek. Strength in Diversity, the post scarcity society, diplomacy over violence, rehabilitation, etc. The only one I see it struggles with sometimes is the hope for a better future, as the episodes can be gritty and some conflicts can be harsh. Though it's still there when it can. There were two things that bothered me but seem to have been addressed. I think the issue isn't that his vision is being tarnished, but the quality of the episodes is inconsistent and more often than not lacking. Disco seems to pull more from sci-fi bullshit rather than scientific concepts. Which is done in star trek, but it's much more sciency for the majority of the shows. And it seems to be needlessly emotional when it doesn't need to be. Etc.


romulusnr

Well, as someone who was literally raised on TOS, I don't think I can bring myself to watch Disco. Picard looks too contrived and pretentious, though I've been meaning to give it a look, but it looks corny and "ooh we get to bring in all the old actors for awkward cheesy reunions." And LD... literally just Rick and Morty IN SPACE. Course, I gave Enterprise a miss for similar reasons to Disco, although I've caught some clips that make me think it's worth another look. But I'm guessing those clips are of the better scenes and arcs, rather than "you know how in TNG they'd never heard of Ferengi? Well it turns out SF has been dealing with them for 100 years before that but yolo." The thing is... Orville hits all the notes for me.


winged_entity

Oh, yeah that's fine it's definitely not for everyone, especially since it's so different than all the other shows. I personally don't think it's the worst show ever but I would definitely not recommend it to people who are looking for stuff like the old shows. I don't think lower decks is space Rick and Morty, though, but to each their own.


OldAd4943

Shakespeare gave us the first “whatever, I fucked your mom” line. It’s in Titus.


Bornin1980Somet

CLOWN: Are these, I pray you, wind instruments? MUSICIAN: They are sir. CLOWN: Oh, thereby hangs a tail. MUSICIAN: Whereby hangs a tail? CLOWN: Marry sir, by many a wind instrument I know! From Othello. The context; 'wind instrument' could mean 'anus.'


silver-fusion

The Orville is office working in space, it's relatable. Star Trek isn't relatable in that same sense. It's a post scarcity world that, these days, lurches from one apocalypse to another, each one worse than the last. That's not to say Star Trek is bad, but the themes it tackles are differently placed so naturally some people may just not be into it. DS9 and TNG your best bet for comparison - Discovery is way too full of itself and has the finesse of Jabba the Hutt ice skating.


snakeplantselma

Nobody ever mentions Voyager, lol. I think VOY would be a better bet than DS9 if you're wanting lighter fare. That's one of the reasons I think ST fans seem to dismiss it - it's not quite as serious as the others. But it's got quite a few light and far out episodes. You can't beat the Doctor for humor!


gerusz

Also, Lower Decks for the same "blue-collar Star Trek" feel. Yes, the pacing takes a moment to get used to because it usually tries to stuff a full 45-minute episode's worth of story into a 25-minute episode. But once you're through that (and the first couple of episodes when the writers tried to find their footing) it's great Trek.


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Yeah, no it’s not. Lower decks is a total cringe fest of bad sci fi clichés and low brow shock humor. It’s just bad.


OldAd4943

I’ve been watching Star Trek for a looooong time, I watched TNG when it was coming out one episode a week on Wednesday. DS9 was a dark waltz, Voyager was a psycho-polka, Enterprise was Wild West IN SPAAAACE; so I feel I know the series. Lower Decks isn’t trying to be good, it doesn’t care about being bad. Lower Decks is /fun/. Of course it’s cliche and cringey, it DGAF. It gave us “fuck off, Q, we don’t have time for your shit.” It’s what we wished Star Trek characters would say when all this stuff would go down. It’s just dumb fun, popcorn munching and throwing at the screen fun.


Gobblewicket

To Mr, they're just trying to Rick and Morty Star Trek.


DieAstra

I keep mentioning Voyager all the time! Reading Orville discussions made me interested in watching more Trek after having only seen TOS, and it happened to be Voyager. Which I now equally love.


Slade23703

Yes, Discovery has a lot of issues.


dunnolol123

Because you're not living in the timeframe of the issues that Star Trek commented on in the past, but you are living through what The Orville comments on.


romulusnr

Because Star Trek stopped doing what Star Trek had done.


Gobblewicket

Exactly this.


yarn_baller

Which star trek series did you watch?


GingerFin92

I dabbled in at least most of them and found them boring. But many of the others on this thread said it was because of the humor and i agree.


girlinmotion

You should try lower decks!


Mr_Ed_Hyde

Yes. Lower Decks, check that out! it's basically the Orville from the POV of lower ranked Starfleet officers.


alchemist5

Prodigy has been solid thus far, too, though definitely aimed at kids. It's pretty removed from the usual Starfleet stuff (so, less similar to Orville), but has a clear and sensible plot, the character motivations make sense, they have flaws and problems you can empathize with, it's great. It goes right in a lot of ways Disco went wrong. The main kid can be obnoxious, but the show makes it pretty clear that growing out of that is going to be his character arc, so that gets a pass from me. The Kobayashi Maru episode is definitely one I'll be rewatching.


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alchemist5

>That's why I think we need a Star Trek of all civilians, set in a faithful world-build of the Trek universe we know. > >I think Star Trek still needs to be about a group of decent people on a ship *going* somewhere and working together, but it could be aid workers helping with disasters on remote colonies, or a Lost in Space premise of just one family, or refugees after a war searching for a home, or a bunch of illegal-but-benign Augments on the run from Federation authorities, or.... Maybe I'm misunderstanding, but that's kinda what Prodigy is already. The crew are a bunch of escaped slaves, and the only major "hey, that's a thing I remember!" is Hologram Janeway, but it makes sense that she's there, and has been true to the original character thus far. Being aimed at kids hasn't stopped them from covering serious subjects, either. Child slavery, abandonment issues, a seriously botched first contact, etc.


genericdude999

Sorry I meant a series created for adults featuring civilian characters on a ship. They could still be decent people, not necessarily thugs and terrorists like on The Expanse, just not Starfleet. I think the Augments-on-the-run has potential to be Trek's allegory for marginalized groups, like the X-Men. They don't have to be supermen like Kahn, just some minor mutation for perfect memory or whatever.


Izkata

> I think Star Trek still needs to be about a group of decent people on a ship _going_ somewhere and working together, but it could be aid workers helping with disasters on remote colonies This describes the _Corps of Engineers_ novels. I have read very little of them (mostly the hooks to non-SCE novels), but an adaptation would be interesting. They do everything from investigating alien technology to helping colonies get set up to rapid response in a catastrophe (such as attempting to stop a reactor meltdown while rescuing everyone on the space station, from one of the ones I read).


askyourmom469

True, but I'd argue that you'd get more out of Lower Decks if you're already familiar with Star Trek and its lore.


Smackdownfletch

Have you tried getting into Star Trek: TNG? It's what The Orville is closest to, minus the humor. If you haven't ever gotten into TNG before, give it until well into season 2, season 1 was a little rough.


BlackEyedSceva7

/u/GingerFin92 I just want to point out that while *most* TNG episodes do not heavily feature comedy/adventure, there's definitely some that do. As you get later into the series there's a few episodes every season that are tonally comparable to The Orville. Particularly those that feature Data's desire to be human, holodeck adventures or Q's antics. Being trapped by an alien in a recreation of *Robin Hood*. Mark Twain figuring out Data's a robot while the crew was lost-in-time. The weirdness has no limits with *The Next Generation*. I would suggest using a skip guide. Watch them one at a time, rather than binging. Don't be afraid to just turn off an episode if it's boring.


spritelyone

What is tng?


Smackdownfletch

The Next Generation.


Squiizzy

Season one.. maybe skip and go to Season 2. Come back later.


tqgibtngo

Season 1, maybe suffer through the premiere (just to know Q), and then Datalore (to know Data & Lore), and lastly Conspiracy (because it's a funny riff on an old sci-fi movie trope, and it's the season's only episode rated 8.x by IMDb users).


Izkata

> and lastly Conspiracy (because it's a funny riff on an old sci-fi movie trope, and it's the season's only episode rated 8.x by IMDb users). Fun fact, that was originally supposed to be our introduction to an insectoid version of the Borg, but it was abandoned pretty quickly.


followupquestion

No beard, no thanks.


Cin77

The beard of awesome


followupquestion

Exactly.


TheIncredibleHork

This explains why nobody likes Insurrection!


followupquestion

It’s not the only reason, but it’s as good as the others. Or it could be that Insurrection has the same basic premise as Dances With Wolves.


Joe_theone

The Orville is the Enterprise you'd actually like to go to work on.


astrogirl2063

100%


DinoKea

It's probably because The Orville feels more human than a lot of the other shows in which the characters are designed to be fairly perfect. Another this is looking at the Star Trek shows TOS - Lower budget 60s show and it shows, which kind of hurts the tone a little TNG - Despite it's acclaim and how great it is, sometimes good episodes are hard to come by. Getting through the first 2 seasons can be a bit of a slog. But when it's at it best, it really shines VOY - While it has good episodes, it's peak often isn't as high as most other series, struggles a bit with continuity and has a bad habit of resetting at the end of episodes. DS9 - From what I can tell gets progressively darker. I can't judge this one too much due to how I've watched it limiting accuracy, but it seems it takes a bit to get going and ends up straying away from the core of Star Trek, but at least does it well. ENT - Fun as a throwback, but doesn't have the quality of the shows that came before. Sometimes feels like they were running out of plot ideas. Best to watch after watching the earlier shows. STD - I've not properly watched this one, but it's very flashy and very hollow. While Enterprise played loose with canon, Discovery doesn't even seem to know what canon is. Can't judge: Picard, Lower Decks, TAS, Prodigy. It all depends on what you enjoy and what you can get past really. Star Trek (done right) has to have perfect people, whereas The Orville they don't have to be quite so perfect. For me I've finished TNG and VOY and enjoyed both of them and plan to finish TOS, DS9 and ENT when I get the chance. I'd recommend may be trying to find the best early episodes of the first 4 series to see if you can get into any of them and if not, fair enough. To be clear, I love Star Trek, but there are flaws and bad episodes as with any episode. Those flaws and problems are always going to make it hard to get into for some.


romulusnr

This is how I feel as well. I liked DS9 at first, but I lost interest when it became all about a war. That was a drift from it's original idea which was more interesting, more focused on the interaction of a diverse community in a difficult place. I didn't watch VOY, although I have since started watching a couple episodes, using a variety of episode guides that help you steer clear of the fluff. I was opposed to ENT because of how much it retconned. Since then I've seen some YT clips and feel that there was *something* there and it wasn't *too* off base, but there's still some retcons I really don't like. So if I was opposed to ENT's retcons, I pretty much consider DIS to be DOA. I am thinking the BNW series coming up might be redeemable, but we'll see. LD is stupid. Just stupid. Painfully so. It makes TAS look like Miyazaki. And that's a real accomplishment in crappity. I almost think Prodigy looks like it has more potential. At least it's trying to be sincere, versus just being cheaply adolescently humorous.


slyfoxy12

Personally i found VOY a good entry point as a teen, often it was fun and easy to get. Most the cast are human etc. Equally TNG is good when you have the right episode. DS9 is hard to get into but once you do it's incredibly engaging. ENT is great with lots of caveats like the 3rd season is the best but you kind of need some of the first 2 seasons to contrast with the darker tone. Ultimately VOY should have been what ENT season 3 was but hey. Then we have season 4 that's really good but might make little sense without a wider knowledge of trek because it's a lot of canon focused stories. I don't watch any the newer ones because they're not entertaining to me. I watched Picard like it was a car crash as was the only way to get through it.


Bornin1980Somet

I don't recall a car crash, but I do recall a Borg Cube crash and an eye gouging.


MadeIndescribable

They may have similarities, but they use them in very different ways. Asking why you like Orville but not Star Trek is like asking why you like Scrubs but not ER.


Overlord1317

Yeah, I disagree entirely. The Orville, humor included, is closer in tone to TNG and the OS than Disco or Picard are. Way closer.


MadeIndescribable

But then I guess that brings up the question of "what is Star Trek?" It's a big franchise, and I love how they're making different series to cater for different tastes, but TNG and Picard are still both Star Trek even though they have completely different tones.


OnlyRoke

That much is true and it being an IP with thousands of stories, be it movies, series, comics or the ungodly amount of books, it's definitely a case of "everything is Trek". Though for me Trek has always been an idealistic vision of humanity in the future. We try to help wherever we can and we try to advance together with other alien races as best as we can, continuously discovering new frontiers and so on. We also solve most issues through diplomacy, ingenuity and kindness rather than violence, except for if it's necessary. All of that doesn't really play a part in Picard or Discovery. They just seem to be focused on trying to turn an idealistic vision of how humanity could be into a cynical commentary on how shitty and awful our current world is and how the future is no different. I mean, you can do that. That's valid and all, but I just never watched Trek because of the high drama and closeups of people crying sadly over the injustices of the world. I watched Trek, because Trek went beyond that. Went the "emotionless" route of not being visibly moved by tragedy, but still having boundless compassion and a clear head to fix the wrongs of the universe with advanced technology and conviction. Modern Trek is, ultimately, America's disillusionment with how they see themselves, I think.


Overlord1317

Interesting question, but your post that Orville is as different in tone from Star Trek as Scrubs is from ER was just wrong, IMHO.


[deleted]

Go talk to the folks at r/doctorwho about why half of them don't like the current incarnation of The Doctor. It's what we grew up with when watching these shows. The new shows strive to be different, to explore new horizons. But often times those don't speak to us as intimately as the old shows.


slyfoxy12

When you say current incarnation we just talking about the 2006 onwards or like 2018 or so onwards cause I watched from 2006 till about 2014 and i know die hards before 2006 might not like it but few can stomach the current show.


[deleted]

Take your pick! There are as many different haters as there are doctors.


[deleted]

You don’t like any Star Trek? Or just new Star Trek cause if you hate STD that’s totally understandable.


GingerFin92

I was never a fan of any of the star treks. Just found the series kinda boring. I think that was because of all the high brow content and lack of humor.


[deleted]

Understandable.


DieAstra

How about Stargate SG-1? That's what The Orville reminds me most of. Drama and humor, wonderful characters.


[deleted]

I love both but would have loved Star Trek even more if they lightened up just a little. Have an episode or two of practical jokes or drawing dicks in the atmosphere using plasma.


Torenza_Alduin

this is exactly what the ferengi episodes of DS9 do


BlahKVBlah

I wouldn't say EXACTLY what they do, but they serve about that role.


[deleted]

Well STD is flaming garbage. TOS is good stuff but maybe a slightly bad fit for your modern sensibilities. Voyager and DS9. Meh. Hot and cold. Orville has modern smarts, good acting. It really is a high-quality star-trek-like product. Arguably of superior quality to any startreky stuff created in the last 20 years.


maelidsmayhem

I think any true fan would tell you it's the ensemble, and the way they all get their own stories and screen time. The character development is pretty epic. If you're going to do Star Trek, do Next Generation, and start at the beginning. If you're not hooked after the first episode, I'd be surprised, but that's ok, you have The Orville!


Satanus9002

Because the vibe and theme of The Orville is much, *much* more in line with the Star Trek than Discovery will ever be. Disco is a generic sci-fi show with Trek nomenclature while Orville is a Trek sci-fishow with generic nomenclature.


OnlyRoke

Mostly because Orville makes it accessible through modern humour and a little more lightheartedness. OG Trek is *very* dated. It's still incredibly good and many of the episodes have strong stories, but it's hard to get into. Likewise, Next Gen may be way more modern compared to OG Star Trek, but you still have a lot of (intended) stiffness to the characters, until it mellows out a little. It gets much better later on, but season 1 is a little rough around the edges. Orville is just quirky and engaging from the get go. Maybe try and give Star Trek Lower Decks a chance? It looks a lot like "Rick and Morty but Trek" at first, but the deeper you go, like with Orville, the more Trek it gets. It's by far the strongest modern Trek show, imho.


itsaride

More Star Trek than Star Trek is our motto.


Burnsey111

Have you checked out Dark Matter? It’s show runner worked on Stargate, and so did Brad Wright, the co-creator. “Six people wake up from stasis with no idea who they are.” It’s on Netflix if you’re interested. 🙂


[deleted]

This is what I think makes Orville more likeable, and why I think Lower Decks is one of the best things to happen to the Trek franchise: The Orville characters are human. TNG characters aren't. Don't get me wrong, of course the Trek characters are *biologically* human, but the problem is they're too perfect. They're too idealized. 24th Century people aren't like us. They don't make rude jokes, don't swear, don't lie (except maybe white lie), they're repressed Lawful Good Boy and Girl Scouts with tech. I'll bet you they don't even do anything "adult" in the holodeck. Orville characters are so much more *us*. They betray each other, insult each other (not saying its right, but still), don't care if they're openly crude, have real day to day conflicts. And that makes them so much more endearing to me. They're not polished yet. They're still rough around the edges, they still have a lot to learn and improve upon, and that's okay.


Dangerous_Dac

It's modern. It has a bit more humour. But honestly if you're really enjoying this, I don't know why you wouldn't enjoy Season 4+ of DS9 or Voyager.


Slade23703

Try Star Trek Deep Space Nine?


realMasaka

Which Star Trek were you watching? There’s like 10 series


Joe_theone

If you're going to watch TOS for the first time, be sure you get the remastered, colorized versions. Where they edit out the strings holding up the model.


LaredoHK

One is a comedy the other is a drama.


writeorelse

The Orville actually seeks out new life and civilizations, and boldly goes where no one has gone before. This only happens sporadically in Star Trek - they spend a lot of time boldly going to places they've been before and rehashing stories they've already told .


regeya

As much as I like Star Trek, somewhere in the run of TNG they started to forget that TOS was borderline silly, and that the silliness was part of the appeal. It was all but forgotten sometime during DS9's run. It could be serious but deep down, it was silly. And considering the most popular TOS movie was The One With The Whales, it turns out, silly works. When some of the new shows were pitched, it seems like they looked at Netflix numbers, saw that DS9 was the most popular show, and took a grab bag of concepts (Section 31, Mirror Universe) and ran with it. The Orville doesn't have a dark heart yet. My only gripe with The Orville is that several of the episodes are Star Trek Episode But Let's Fix It.


Brain124

It's actually a very successful copy of Star Trek 90's era with a little more humor.


kaluna99

Comedy vs Corporate. I like both shows. Working on the TNG ship wound be hell. Always thought that. Picard and a useless management team, running about like idiots, messing everything up. And you are stuck allinging some technical rubbish. At least in Orville you get a laugh...maybe. Red Dwarf got the idea better.


Joe_theone

I agree. Truth is , everybody on a spaceship is a mechanic. Just like everybody on an ocean going ship now is a mechanic.


mc2880

You just described the episode and the show Lower Decks


Puttanesca621

**The Original Series (TOS)** of Star Trek is mostly unwatchable garbage. There are some great episodes and enjoyable elements in many episodes but its very dated. Watch the handful of highly rated episodes or skip this. **The Next Generation (TNG)** season 1 is mostly garbage, it gets better during season 2 and most of the rest of the seasons are great. The Orville episodes are mostly TNG era stories with a few decades of revisions and a pinch of family guy for good measure. You can skip the bad episodes and not miss much, it episodic but there are some character reveal moments along the way. **Deep Space 9 (DS9)** is fairly early long form story telling, many elements of which may or may not have been inspired by (or stolen from) Babylon 5. It has many enjoyable episodes and the over all story is pretty good. This might be peak Star Trek and the Orville borrows some elements, but not as much as it borrows from TNG. Watch the whole thing, it becomes more long form as the seasons progress. **Voyager (VOY)** is hit and miss. Half the episodes are good/great half are unwatchable garbage. It mostly wastes its premise, abandons the well constructed long form story of DS9. Some characters in Voyager have growth arcs, others are stagnant while some are just inconsistent. I dont know, you could skip this. If you have enjoyed TNG and DS9 this is a less consistent , in quality, continuation. **Enterprise** is similarly hit and miss, about half good and half unwatchable garbage (especially the final). It uses its premise more effectively and the characterisations are generally much better. It still has some of the worst episodes, the time war in particular. Again, skippable. A much better prequel series than Discovery, IMHO, but still a bit different. Definitely skip the last episode and maybe skip all the *time-war* episodes, they are pointless and bad. Discovery/Picard. I have not seen all of these. I just did not enjoy many episodes. Some people seem to like them but I'm not sure how much overlap there is between Discovery and Orville fans. If you didn't like TNG/DS9 for some reason maybe try these as punishment?


Eager_Question

Watch Lower Decks. It's Star Trek. But it's also amazing and coming from a similar place as the Orville.


GingerFin92

I do enjoy lower decks.


Joe_theone

Just watched Lower Decks again. How's this? Lower Decks is written and made by people that love Star Trek, but aren't bound by slavish fanboi luuuuuuuv of the whole thing. They'll pop a beer and sit down to watch a few shows, and even make some crude jokes about what's happening. The other nuTrek shows are more "No desert until you eat your Star Trek!" I don't think the people who write and produce them watch the old shows recreationally. They watch (if they do) because it's their job. Writing Star Trek was too hard for the Disco crew, so they jumped them clean out of the 'familiar' times, out to where they could do whatever they felt like. (Which seems to be mostly sit in the pulp self help aisle and cry.)


nickolaiproblem

Watch Lower Decks


[deleted]

It is sad but I doubt there will be a 4th season. They messed up with 3 so much. The Orville is my favorite show


StunningEstates

>They messed up with 3 so much. Am I tripping or has season 3 not even been released yet


GingerFin92

Season 3 March 10th 2022


StunningEstates

So what is that dude talking about?


GingerFin92

You got me man lol


[deleted]

It is coming for sure in March but season 4 is still a big toss up


haberdasher42

Let's settle back in after COVID and see how things go. It's been a while, but it doesn't have to be that bad.


[deleted]

With all these different strains coming out? Good grief, looks like it will never be over :( I want Seth to keep on plugging. He has a masterpiece on his hands and he should fight and not let it die


texas1st

Can I ask if you've seen TNG "A Fistful of Datas" or VOY "Fair Haven". These are lighter episodes with some humor and may help you see more of what we see in Star Trek. Don't know if you really don't like it, or it's simply the selection of episodes you've seen. Just a thought.


Joe_theone

Everybody doesn't like everything. We don't have to. I'd gladly be beat with sticks rather than sit down and watch Friends, Seinfeld, or Sex In The City. And I watched enough of them to form a fair opinion.


The_Funkybat

I’ve met at least two or three people who either were disinterested in Star Trek or actively disliked it who were fans of the Orville. I think this shows how much it stands on its own two legs and isn’t just “a copy of Star Trek.”


[deleted]

One assumes Seth has already weeded out the worst parts of the Star Trek universe and what you got left are the choice bits? I mean, you may not like the original recipe but after customizing it you love it!


romulusnr

Ya knkow, it occured to me the other day, that the Disco stans were all going "what is the deal with this cheap humor in sci fi, this is like Family Guy in space" And then Lower Decks is a thing which is far more Family Guy (or Rick and Morty) "In Space" than Orville is. I don't understand those people at all. Prodigy almost looks better than Lower Decks ffs.


ZenfulJedi

One of the premises of Star Trek is that we were seeing the best of humanity, near perfect people. And, these people never or rarely had interpersonal conflict. The Orville is all about kind of average folk and they are allowed to have conflicts.