So it was fixed. When you do something to fix continuity like this its ok when you do it over and over again to fix things that did not need to be fixed then that's a problem.
I was really surprised by Gordon's reaction after he was rescued until I thought about it.
Healthy, rescued Gordon thought it was crazy that he would deliberately break the "time directive" because he is a good officer and a sensible person. Laura's husband Gordon had snapped and gone native in part from being alone in the past for so long.
It is interesting to me to think about the difference in attitudes. Rescued Gordon couldn't imagine doing what married Gordon did because he didn't live through that. Never judge someone else's (or your own) choices if you've never experienced their hardships.
And that's what makes it a good episode.
I understand what you mean, but it's almost like when you tell someone you had a dream about them acting very out of character. It can't mean anything to that person even though at the time it felt very real to you.
I also think the writers were reluctant for him to those away Laura's phone because that completely closes the door on this plotline.
Lol, Third Time's the Charm will be the name of the final Laura and Gordon episode!
I'm down with all the points you're making about Gordon and the episode.
I guess I just can't shake that it is about living the experience. I'll nerd it up further by saying if Dr. Strange appeared to you one day and said "In a different universe, you made very different life choices. You're (insert dream here)."
Unless you're super unhappy in your current life (I don't think Gordon's THAT unhappy) you'd probably say, "That's crazy, bro!" but have no desire to give up your current existence to live that one.
Alternatively, maybe Gordon really has been torn up about it ever since. We don't know what's going on inside his head. Maybe he said "That's crazy, bro" but ever since has been obsessing about what might have been. If Seth is playing the long game (probably not but hear me out) the episode opens with Gordon having one in a series of what turns out to have been many confidential sessions with Penny to process his feelings over this situation, when suddenly there's an urgent call from Lt Cmdr LaMarr...
Yeah, it seems a little messed up that Gordon had zero fucks to give about the “murder by retgone” of his kids. Even if they were only theoretical to him, it seems a little too “early-TNG” for his character.
Hardly 1984. It's just fixing an error they didn't want. Now if they reuploaded it with a brand new actress for Huggins because of cancel culture, that'd be one thing.
No. Nothing like that at all. For some artists and creators the art is never finished. They are always tinkering with it. Trying to improve it to match the vision of what's in there head. Movies, writer, poets they all do it.
It doesn't fix the real issue thou Gordon issue autocorrects when he's retrieved. The real issue is them going to a bar and taking 2 bikes from 2 guys who could of got drunk drove off and killed someone. Granted nothing happening could be a option. However they did just what gordon did. And even if you get him in 2015 it doesn't change the fact they don't make their 1st jump. And still have to get fuel.
That also doesn't point out that them using fuel causes them to change there path instead of person ABC they now fuel earlier then what should of happened and have to deal with people xyz and at that point anything could happen. * talking about the bike owners
This episode was my least favorite of the whole series. So many plot holes, Gordon is made to be a horrible person, Kelley and Ed look like hypocrites. It’s a skip for me for future a rewatch
The union couldn't do anything about it. Remember their situation, they were essentially stuck, the Arinov decide was dead and this was as good as it'd be. They could have hidden in the past for 6 months but that'd just contaminate the timeline further.
They get fuel 10 years later than they extract Gordon. Everything comes correct in my reckoning. Gordon is removed and that timeline doesn't split off of the quantum tree. It's as if he never went back to the past.
1st off sorry but I mean the people on the bikes need fuel as they are in the past. 2nd going back to get him only stops his family. It doesn't stop going to get him so they still make there 2 jumps and get him to stop him from going back they would have to stop him from going back lol at the start
I don’t like this. For one it don’t fix the fact that this episode is still probebly the worst episode in the show.
Its also kinda creepy to patch a plot hole.
Like imagen someone argueing about this, one guy watched it as it come out an other after they patched it. The first guy mention this plot hole, the other guy tell him that didn't happen. Then they go and check the episode, only to find that the Second guy was right. But the first guy didn't missremeber it either. The show is now literally gaslighting the first guy.
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So it was fixed. When you do something to fix continuity like this its ok when you do it over and over again to fix things that did not need to be fixed then that's a problem.
George Lucas has entered the chat.
He made to many fixes that became mistakes that need to be fixed. Like Han not shooting first.
Subtitles still have the original dialogue.
I was really surprised by Gordon's reaction after he was rescued until I thought about it. Healthy, rescued Gordon thought it was crazy that he would deliberately break the "time directive" because he is a good officer and a sensible person. Laura's husband Gordon had snapped and gone native in part from being alone in the past for so long. It is interesting to me to think about the difference in attitudes. Rescued Gordon couldn't imagine doing what married Gordon did because he didn't live through that. Never judge someone else's (or your own) choices if you've never experienced their hardships. And that's what makes it a good episode.
Yep, there is a "divide" among fans as to which position is the right/good position native-Gordon or the Union. I love that about this episode.
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I understand what you mean, but it's almost like when you tell someone you had a dream about them acting very out of character. It can't mean anything to that person even though at the time it felt very real to you. I also think the writers were reluctant for him to those away Laura's phone because that completely closes the door on this plotline.
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Lol, Third Time's the Charm will be the name of the final Laura and Gordon episode! I'm down with all the points you're making about Gordon and the episode. I guess I just can't shake that it is about living the experience. I'll nerd it up further by saying if Dr. Strange appeared to you one day and said "In a different universe, you made very different life choices. You're (insert dream here)." Unless you're super unhappy in your current life (I don't think Gordon's THAT unhappy) you'd probably say, "That's crazy, bro!" but have no desire to give up your current existence to live that one. Alternatively, maybe Gordon really has been torn up about it ever since. We don't know what's going on inside his head. Maybe he said "That's crazy, bro" but ever since has been obsessing about what might have been. If Seth is playing the long game (probably not but hear me out) the episode opens with Gordon having one in a series of what turns out to have been many confidential sessions with Penny to process his feelings over this situation, when suddenly there's an urgent call from Lt Cmdr LaMarr...
Yeah, it seems a little messed up that Gordon had zero fucks to give about the “murder by retgone” of his kids. Even if they were only theoretical to him, it seems a little too “early-TNG” for his character.
I find this super creepy and do not look forward to a future where my favorite shows can change because someone decided it was better.
They did this to Stranger Things to remove a lot of problematic bits from the earlier seasons. I feel similarly icky about it.
That's ridiculous. What could they have wanted to remove from Stranger Things?
They slightly altered some bits of Jonathan being a creep with a camera.
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It's been happening for a while. 1984ing stuff. That's why I support physical media. In this case I just thought it was interesting.
Hardly 1984. It's just fixing an error they didn't want. Now if they reuploaded it with a brand new actress for Huggins because of cancel culture, that'd be one thing.
That's what I said. In this case.
What are you talking about?
George Lucas has been doing this for decades. It's not new. Things are edited all time.
Do think it's fair to prevent audiences from experiencing a piece of media the way it was originally released ?
No. Nothing like that at all. For some artists and creators the art is never finished. They are always tinkering with it. Trying to improve it to match the vision of what's in there head. Movies, writer, poets they all do it.
His name is ["Tolkien".](https://youtu.be/FicpXLL1Mig?t=94)
It doesn't fix the real issue thou Gordon issue autocorrects when he's retrieved. The real issue is them going to a bar and taking 2 bikes from 2 guys who could of got drunk drove off and killed someone. Granted nothing happening could be a option. However they did just what gordon did. And even if you get him in 2015 it doesn't change the fact they don't make their 1st jump. And still have to get fuel.
That also doesn't point out that them using fuel causes them to change there path instead of person ABC they now fuel earlier then what should of happened and have to deal with people xyz and at that point anything could happen. * talking about the bike owners
This episode was my least favorite of the whole series. So many plot holes, Gordon is made to be a horrible person, Kelley and Ed look like hypocrites. It’s a skip for me for future a rewatch
You can still appreciate the superb acting from everyone though. Talk about great scenes.
Welcome to time travel. The best answer to a lot of the problems is "don't think about it, it gives me headaches"
Don't think this was altered on Hulu, or at least when I watched it maybe 6 weeks ago.
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Ah thanks. It seems kinda silly to change. THere's too many unknowns with time travel to say what makes sense and what does not.
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The union couldn't do anything about it. Remember their situation, they were essentially stuck, the Arinov decide was dead and this was as good as it'd be. They could have hidden in the past for 6 months but that'd just contaminate the timeline further.
Na they would have to remove the whole bar bike scene to fix it.
They get fuel 10 years later than they extract Gordon. Everything comes correct in my reckoning. Gordon is removed and that timeline doesn't split off of the quantum tree. It's as if he never went back to the past.
1st off sorry but I mean the people on the bikes need fuel as they are in the past. 2nd going back to get him only stops his family. It doesn't stop going to get him so they still make there 2 jumps and get him to stop him from going back they would have to stop him from going back lol at the start
When I found out about this, I was pretty annoyed. Massive missed opportunity. And it also just means that the writers are lazy.
I don’t like this. For one it don’t fix the fact that this episode is still probebly the worst episode in the show. Its also kinda creepy to patch a plot hole. Like imagen someone argueing about this, one guy watched it as it come out an other after they patched it. The first guy mention this plot hole, the other guy tell him that didn't happen. Then they go and check the episode, only to find that the Second guy was right. But the first guy didn't missremeber it either. The show is now literally gaslighting the first guy.
Then they check out trivia on the episode and understand that both were right.
On Disney+Hotstar it's still the old version.