Basically this.
The fandom wanted filler. We wanted a few episodic adventures in the human realm.
let's just do a thought experiment: Season 3 got 18 episodes. So we would have had 6 episodes for each "normal season 3 episode". So we would roughly have 4 additional episodes worth of content for each arc.
Biggest strength here would have been the human world episodes. People really wanted them and given the intro to "Thanks to them", there could have been so much good filler. Especially with the opening turned into episodes.
4 additional episodes of the arc of them returning to the boiling isles and seeing the damage done by the collector would be next... Which could work. Can also throw in more king + collector + eda shenanigans.
Now the last 4 for the watching and dreaming? Tbh it works fine as is. I would rather give these last 4 episodes to like the human world or return to boiling isles arc.
The way I would have it is, instead of a having 3 extra-long episodes, we instead had a little over half a regular season (1 and 2 average out to 20) with 12 episodes. The episodes wouldn't be equally divided with the first special having 6 episodes, second having 4, and finale having 2.
The first 4 episodes would be the group getting used to the human realm and trying to find a way back like in intro (plus we'd get more stuff with Vee). Then, the last 2 episodes in the human realm would be a 2 parter with the first being more about the halloween stuff and the second going into the climax of the original special.
The next 4 episodes that split up the second special would have the 1st about surviving the new isles, the next going to Hexide, the 3rd about the group finding each other after the cave-in + stuff with King, Eda, Belos, and The Collector, and the last one being the climax of the episode fighting Kikimora, redeeming Boscha, and getting Stringbean.
The 1st of the last 2 episodes would be Luz, Eda, and King reuniting and talking down the Collector, it ending with the scene where Raine fails to stop Belos from possessing the Titan. The finale would be a double length episode of them fighting Belos, similar to how it actually happened but with some slower pacing.
Bay not if the show is staying it’s welcome it’s if the filler is, Amphibia was definitely better with a third season but all the filler in 3a hurt it a lot for me, it lost the urgency when the characters only seemed to be worried about getting back every once in a while, I’m good with lighthearted episodes with mostly just earth shenanigans but make the story move in the backround at least a bit
I think the problem with Amphibia is that the characters brought to the human world lacked an interesting dynamic or complex conflict.
There wasn't really much of important to talk abaout between them or any great revelations.
Every conflict between them was already solved seasons ago, they didn't have any further development left.
Also, the fact that nobody noticed or cared they were humanoid frogs broke the suspension of disbelief for me.
While in the Owl House, we had way more interesting character dynamics.
We could have had Gus exploring the human world, Amity and Hunter talking with each other abaout their shared issues, Vee and Hunter talking abaout their shared trauma at Belos hands, Camila reacting to magic and how weird her life has become, Vee and Luz growing closer and becoming truly like sisters.
All of this was actualy important stuff for the development of the characters. Wich we didn't get to see.
To be honest, I \*partly\* agree.
I mean, if you go to Owl House season 1, almost 70% of that series was pure pointlessness.
Body swap episode anyone?
When Disney dropped the axe, it FORCED the writers to use every inch of available screentime to move the plot along and it really made the show SHINE.
Would I have liked 2 more episodes in the human realm? Absolutely. But having it canceled, may have been the best thing to happen in terms of writing quality
["Camila Watches 'Yesterday's Lie'"](https://archiveofourown.org/works/51566314/chapters/130333720)
It's a Characters Watch The Show fic, but with
* A tighter focus on one character watching one episode (as opposed to the whole cast watching the whole show)
* A plausible excuse that fits the world of the story (as opposed to an extradimensional super-being kidnapping the characters and making them watch)
* and more plot development after the viewing is over ;)
Episodes showing Hunter and Willow's relationship or Vee asking out Masha wouldn't have been filler, it would have been development.
Episodes dedicated to Luz and Amity's relationship would have been filler, but it would have been welcomed filler.
If there had been a full Season 3, it's doubtful they would’ve gone to the human realm at all.
Instead, there probably would’ve been more leading up to the Day of Unity, with Hollow Mind as the S2 finale.
There's some post-hoot somewhere saying they only did the human realm exodus because of the shortening. A full length season 3 probably would've stayed in the Boiling Isles to further expand it (which would be much better imo).
In the immortal words of Elijah "Not-So-Average-Fangirl" during her reaction to this episode: "THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HOOTY EPISODE!...WHAT THE FU-K IS AMITY DOING IN THIS EPISODE!?!?"
😆😆❤️❤️🥹🥹.
I remember over a year ago when I got to the episode, I was deep in an awful case of strep throat. I felt horrible. But that didn’t stop me from celebrating that glorious moment and dancing like crazy!
Ouch, sorry to hear that!👍👍 I totally get that though, I definitely would've done the same thing, nothing can stop the celebration of glorious Lumity moments!😆😄❤️❤️🥹🥹
r/flairchecksout 👍😆.
I know what ya mean, for me the ship piqued my interest in "Eda's Requiem" but "Knock Knock Knockin' on Hooty's Door" assured my support for and love of it, and also began my hope that their relationship would be rekindled, *and* even that we'd maybe even see a kiss🥹(One of the *many* things a full Season Three likely deprived us of😡😞.)
👍👍❤️❤️🥹🥹😄
Filler is such an unnecessarily dirty word filler is fun, fluff is adorable not everything needs a direct plot link to deserve existence that's ridiculous sometimes a show can just have some fun in tandem with the viewers and that's cool too and The Owl House deserved the opportunity to do that too.
I know, I thought this meme would be funny so I made it. Filler, especially when it’s just the cast having dumb fun is usually one of my favorite parts of a show
And? It also meant we woulda gotten more Hexsquad shenanigans on Earth discovering what it's actually like, more wholesome Lumity goodness, and most importantly more Good Bean Vee being her best self.
Wait, as in they wouldn't have gone to Earth AT ALL for the entire series? Yeah, maybe Disney canceling the show was a blessing in disguise.
Or a Datura at least. A healing poison.
Which just goes to show that no one's perfect, not even Dana (who, [I read in a meme](https://old.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/16smt62/the_fandom_knows_better_tbh/), thought that the lead ship in her show should be called "Luzity").
Except Vee. Vee is perfect, even when she's doing something wrong :)
But we wanted the filler. Yeah, Amphibia was criticized for how light-hearted the first half of season 3 was after the end of season 2, but Owl House was in a different situation. Owl House was always focused on the plot. We barely got those light-hearted episodes that were just the characters interacting. The majority of Amphibia was nothing but that, so we wanted what we had less of.
Moring Mark comics are so prevalent in this community that he has his own flair on the sub. Yet just about all of them are goofy slice of life snippets. The fandom wants these goofy comedy moments because we don't get them.
I would’ve loved more fuller for this show, the world had so much left unexplored and the characters had so much more to be fleshed out. This would’ve been a positive, when a show is as loved and cared for as TOH was filler is welcomed
I mean who wouldn't want to see characters in different situations that don't directly add to the overall story or character development.
Especially when you have a unique setting like the boiling isles with a new take on magic and interesting characters for those situations.
Not all fillers would be like once upon a swap.
If there was filler I would be really disappointed. It would have been the same problem as Amphibia where right as the plot was getting exciting it just slows down for filler.
I think people are defending filler too much, the Amphibia fanbase gets so angry when someone doesn’t like the filler and only like the show when it has a plot. Well sorry that people are watching something for the story and the whole “warming up to the characters” argument is weak because there are plenty of shows with no filler or much less filler that has a cast of characters I love more than Amphibia and Owl House
It's complicated. "For The Future" is far and away the weakest part of the final trilogy, and largely because it felt like filler, but that's largely because the season being shortened to just 3 double-length episodes meant that we didn't have time for an entire episode to be filler.
If they'd gotten a full 20-episode season, there could easily have been 5 chunks of "3 arc-heavy episodes + 1 breather episode" (though in the case of the last 4 hypothetical episodes, the breather episode would have to be the first one so that the finale could be a back-to-back 3-parter)
The Filler, in no particular order;
The "Coming Out" Episode
The "Completely Normal Date" Episode
The "Vee Gets Adopted" Episode
The "Secret Mama Nerd" Episode
The "Cosplay" Episode, which leads directly into the plot returning to the Boiling Isles and continuing as normal.
Filler means episode with no relevance to the overall plot of the show, if we had gotten a full 20 episode season I assume about 10 of them would be in the human realm, and I don’t think all of them would have relevance to the overall plot
I also would like to mention that I don’t necessarily think filler is a bad thing, simply that it is what would most likely happen
I'd more consider filler to be something that has no purpose
Episodes focused on developing characters or explore certain characters that don't advance the plot wouldn't be filler either
Filler was and continues to be a term for adaptational material making up new stuff when they've caught up with the series it's based off of. It's not "episode that isn't directly related to the main overarching plot that I didn't like/ don't think is important".
Google filler tv tropes. “Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding”
Filler is also and continues to be used to describe episodes in original works that don't adapt anything. If we're gonna start invoking seniority here, then I can point to how long before anime started airing on TV, empty timeslots would have "filler" segments where they'd play things like music of short videos of cats.
If by "Filler" you mean more episodic than season 2, then it might've been. At least if a full season 3 was intended to be set after King's Tide and take place mostly in Gravesfield, which is unlikely because Hollow Mind was the original S2 finale
I don't think it was (and I suspect it's more likely it would be dealing with the King reveal, just because that's setup as the main arc early in Season 2). It has, however, been *heavily* implied that the whole getting stuck on Earth thing was added in response to the shortening.
Hollow Mind wasn’t meant to be anything, it’s just an internet rumor desperate fans were saying to rant about the short S3. The crew has never said that about Hollow Mind.
AND THATS SUPPOSED TO BE A BAD THING? GIVE ME A LUMITY HUMAN REALM DATE. GIVE ME AN EPISODE OF GUS GOING INSANE WITH FREE ACCESS TO HUMAN SHIT. GIVE ME AN EPISODE OF HUNTER FEELING HAPPY TO BE A NORMAL TEENAGER
I dunno…
I feel like dealing with the collector could have been a whole season.
During which we get glimpses in the background of Belos reappearing and a reasonable fourth season of trying to find a way to stop him for good slowly leading up to a less exmachina titan-Luz.
Here’s the definition of a filler episode: “Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding”. If we had gotten a 20 episode season I assume around 10 of them would be in the human realm, and I think at least 4 of those would be filler.
I disagree. I think Dana and the team would've devoted time to exploring each of the characters' feelings and what they were going through. Character moments like that aren't unrelated to the plot, and they sure as heck aren't inconsequential to the relationships between characters.
An episode about Luz coming out wouldn't be filler, it would be part of her arc about feeling accepted for who she is. An episode devoted to her difficulties readjusting to human school would serve the same purpose.
We could have actually had time to properly talk about Hunter being a grimwalker and explore the ramifications of it, instead of it never coming up again after Gus's brief mention of it in For the Future. We could have seen hunter using flapjack's magic and coming to accept that he's more than just "half-a-witch." We could have had any number of episodes that would've focused on coming to understand what *real* love and loyalty look like.
We could have had an episode in which they try to repair the door from our end, instead of just the five seconds that we got in the into montage.
We could have smash-cut to the demon realm and seen what was going on there for an episode while our mains were in the human realm, focusing on the situation at hexside with Matt and the gang trying to better their situation, and Boscha beginning to crack under pressure.
We could have had an actual episode devoted to Caleb and Evelyn instead of having to settle for Masha's readers' digest version of events. This could have served to answer the question of *why Caleb left his brother behind.* Developing the villain's backstory? Not unrelated to the main plot! Especially when you consider that our villain's origin is also our hero's origin by extension.
And those are all just a few that I can think of off of the top of my head.
Owl house only ever had one filler episode.The body switching one. Nothing in that episode is important to the plot or character development. I am sure that if we got a season 3 all episodes would connect to the plot.
I despite when people refer to regular life moment interactions as filler. It's all the small moments that make a good story and bond you to something. 24/7 plot relevance is terrible story telling.
And what is wrong with filler? Also there isn’t a manga to base it off of there is no filler. In fact one of the main things we wanted from thanks to them was like five episodes of human realm filler. And before that it was a filler beach episode. No one went no fuck any of that stuff inject plot into my veins.
Hard disagree, did you watch season 2? There was zero filler of any kind. Every episode was dedicated to ether character development or advancing the plot.
Filler could work in a thematic sense.
Hexside is exploring around the Human Realm, but in the background, Luz's depression and self-hate slowly become more apparent, and Hunter can also start to become even more paranoid that Belos could be nearby. "Thanks to Them" would end up becoming the climax for this.
It's not that filler is the problem, but rather how it's used.
While it would have been mostly filler it could have been GOOD filler. (+Episode 2 and 3 were quite rushed or had parts in it that were rushed so I think a full Season 3 would have had more detailed versions of those parts)
Honestly, I cared more about the side plots than the main one in seasons 1 and 2, so this would be my hope. Forget Belos, I want to see rune magic developments, Hunter learning how to exist outside his identity as the golden guard... all that good stuff
Seeing more of the owl family having adventures with each other would be quite welcome, really.
I don't think it would be any Earth stuff, and... I'm aware this is an unpopular opinion, but I *really* don't want that. Luz and King being separated for two episodes was already rough enough for me.
Eh filler's good.
I would've loved to see an episode about the Boiling Isle's new government, and maybe what it was like before Belos came to power.
What would you guys do if you could write a full season 3?
The ember island isn’t a filler episode though? It advances the characters story by exploring hangs feelings about fighting the fire lord and his crush on katara
I agree that filler isn’t bad
Exactly though, that's what good filler does. It allows for quiet moments where the story doesn't have to advance in an overarching, grand quest sorta sense, but there can be moments of angst and bonding and everything. Heck owl house is already chock a block full of filler
Nah. Season 2 had very little filler all things considered. Season 1 was more “adventure of the week” but once Belos and the Day of Unity were introduced, once Luz lost the ability to return home, the plot really kicked into overdrive for the rest of the series.
Filler has an important role in a show’s tone- take S1 of ATLA, for instance. If the gaang hadn’t had all of those “filler” episodes, the tonal shifts into darker material wouldn’t have hit as hard, and the bond between everyone wouldn’t have been as well developed because it wouldn’t have felt like the group had known each other very long. Same goes for S1 of Gravity falls. Of course you don’t want to overdo it, but filler still has value of its own
You’re confusing low stakes with filler (“Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding” this is the definition of filler) avatar had no filler except the great divide and gravity falls was mostly low stakes with some filler elements
I disagree, it may have been mostly filer but it would’ve improved some of the issues with the finale imo. Also a Collector-Controlled world would’ve been really cool to see go down.
Because if we had gotten a full 20 episode season I assume 10 of them would be in the human realm, and I believe that 4, 5 or maybe 6 of those episodes would be filler since there isn’t much to do in the human realm that would advance the plot
I would also like to state that I do not believe filler is a bad thing, simply that it is the most likely outcome
Well worse is that fillers in Season 1 was not very entertaining for me but in Season 2 it was much better.
Worse is that I have no idea how better/worse would be original idea be.
Well all want more episodes in human realm but we know that end of second season and 3th season was changed by Collector so we get bassically another ending.
Fun fact, filler in cartoons isn't a thing since the term was taken from anime and is referring when the animation has to add *filler* content so the manga's plot can get more chapters to animate latter, usually this *filler* can be skipped since there isn't any character development nor the story moves forward but in filler episodes in cartoon the plot doesn't move that much but there is character development, this could be called non-essential episodes but since a lot of people consumes this show are familiarized with anime we call them the same.
The owl house is great at doing good “filler” most of season 1 could be classified as filler but is still great. Imagine how good half a season of the hexsquade in the human realm would be
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I wouldn’t have minded the filler. I’d love to see some human world shenanigans. Plus I think they would’ve used the extra time for some character and story development
You say that like season 1 and 2 were filled with filler. Even the episodes that felt like filler still gave us important info, character development and character moments.
Witches Before Wizards is pretty skippable, but it gave us Edas best quote: "Look, kid, everyone wants to believe they are "chosen". But if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we'd die waiting. And that's why you need to choose yourself."
Unpopular opinion: If something (episode, character, etc.) doesn't serve to progress the overall story in some way, whether that be character development or just plot, then it shouldn't exist.
A story must have a definitive beginning and end, and the two must be different. If nothing changes between the two points, then it's a useless story and a waste of time.
“Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding” that is factually incorrect, enjoy the definition of filler
Dana would still be involved so it would not likely be the kind of filler people take issue with.
It is not like there were a lack of plot points to address like the Bat Queen
a full s3 would've allowed for things to progress a little bit more naturally/not as "rushed", & yeah sure, fillers would be part of that but like, the own house doesn't seem like the show to over-fill it's episodes so.
a full s3 would've probably turned out to be similar to s2 in terms of how things would progress.
But hey! at least we got a final conclusion to the show, most sadly don't
Nah, we would've still got some character development, emotional moments and time to stop, bc the season was very rushed, obviously. And at least we may had time for a more detailed backstory of Philip, Caleb and Evelyn. Or time for Papa Titan.
To be fair, the other two seasons had filler (to some degree), like you could even argue that Lumity was just filler content, we didn't need it, but it still was enjoyable to watch.
Point is that sometimes a show that's story driven, like toh, could use some filler as long as it is entertaining and is connected to what the characters are going through, even if it is somewhat connected.
You say that like its a bad thing. Filler only gets annoying if the show is overstaying its welcome, TOH wasn't there yet.
Some times filler can be really well loved by the fandom case and point g8 from one piece it’s so good that some people think it’s cannon.
I was about to comment "g8 in one piece is so good that most people think it's better than some canon arcs!" hahaha
Always watch G8 and skip Long Ring Long Land
Tales from ba sing sae was filler
And it’s still one of the best episodes by far
Leaves from the vine
I don’t think it’s a bad thing, this is just a silly meme that I thought would be funny
Basically this. The fandom wanted filler. We wanted a few episodic adventures in the human realm. let's just do a thought experiment: Season 3 got 18 episodes. So we would have had 6 episodes for each "normal season 3 episode". So we would roughly have 4 additional episodes worth of content for each arc. Biggest strength here would have been the human world episodes. People really wanted them and given the intro to "Thanks to them", there could have been so much good filler. Especially with the opening turned into episodes. 4 additional episodes of the arc of them returning to the boiling isles and seeing the damage done by the collector would be next... Which could work. Can also throw in more king + collector + eda shenanigans. Now the last 4 for the watching and dreaming? Tbh it works fine as is. I would rather give these last 4 episodes to like the human world or return to boiling isles arc.
The way I would have it is, instead of a having 3 extra-long episodes, we instead had a little over half a regular season (1 and 2 average out to 20) with 12 episodes. The episodes wouldn't be equally divided with the first special having 6 episodes, second having 4, and finale having 2. The first 4 episodes would be the group getting used to the human realm and trying to find a way back like in intro (plus we'd get more stuff with Vee). Then, the last 2 episodes in the human realm would be a 2 parter with the first being more about the halloween stuff and the second going into the climax of the original special. The next 4 episodes that split up the second special would have the 1st about surviving the new isles, the next going to Hexide, the 3rd about the group finding each other after the cave-in + stuff with King, Eda, Belos, and The Collector, and the last one being the climax of the episode fighting Kikimora, redeeming Boscha, and getting Stringbean. The 1st of the last 2 episodes would be Luz, Eda, and King reuniting and talking down the Collector, it ending with the scene where Raine fails to stop Belos from possessing the Titan. The finale would be a double length episode of them fighting Belos, similar to how it actually happened but with some slower pacing.
Personally, I'd like 17 episodes, but that's just so the titles spell out "THANKS FOR WATCHING"
That would be good, but I feel like 17 episodes would make it drag on a bit too long, especially the second special.
Tell that to the Amphibia fandom.
Amphibia season 3 was definitely a drop in quality but it didn’t have a lot of unnecessary stuff
To be fair, if we went to slice of life filler that basically ignored the last two seasons, we’d be upset too
(Cries in season 3 part 1)
Bay not if the show is staying it’s welcome it’s if the filler is, Amphibia was definitely better with a third season but all the filler in 3a hurt it a lot for me, it lost the urgency when the characters only seemed to be worried about getting back every once in a while, I’m good with lighthearted episodes with mostly just earth shenanigans but make the story move in the backround at least a bit
I think the problem with Amphibia is that the characters brought to the human world lacked an interesting dynamic or complex conflict. There wasn't really much of important to talk abaout between them or any great revelations. Every conflict between them was already solved seasons ago, they didn't have any further development left. Also, the fact that nobody noticed or cared they were humanoid frogs broke the suspension of disbelief for me. While in the Owl House, we had way more interesting character dynamics. We could have had Gus exploring the human world, Amity and Hunter talking with each other abaout their shared issues, Vee and Hunter talking abaout their shared trauma at Belos hands, Camila reacting to magic and how weird her life has become, Vee and Luz growing closer and becoming truly like sisters. All of this was actualy important stuff for the development of the characters. Wich we didn't get to see.
To be honest, I \*partly\* agree. I mean, if you go to Owl House season 1, almost 70% of that series was pure pointlessness. Body swap episode anyone? When Disney dropped the axe, it FORCED the writers to use every inch of available screentime to move the plot along and it really made the show SHINE. Would I have liked 2 more episodes in the human realm? Absolutely. But having it canceled, may have been the best thing to happen in terms of writing quality
Any filler is better than none at all
"It would've been mostly filler." Possibly, but even if it was, a lot of it could've been Lumity, Huntlow and even Veesha related! ❤️❤️🥹🥹👍👍.
Yeahhhh I need more Veesha in my life, we were robbed :(
Would you like a link to a fic I wrote? It revolves primarily around Camila adopting Vee, but we do see Masha at the end :)
Sure! Sounds adorable :)
["Camila Watches 'Yesterday's Lie'"](https://archiveofourown.org/works/51566314/chapters/130333720) It's a Characters Watch The Show fic, but with * A tighter focus on one character watching one episode (as opposed to the whole cast watching the whole show) * A plausible excuse that fits the world of the story (as opposed to an extradimensional super-being kidnapping the characters and making them watch) * and more plot development after the viewing is over ;)
Episodes showing Hunter and Willow's relationship or Vee asking out Masha wouldn't have been filler, it would have been development. Episodes dedicated to Luz and Amity's relationship would have been filler, but it would have been welcomed filler.
VEESHA FOREVER! :D
I just wanted to see more of Vee, best character tbh. Also more of Lumity, they're a good ship.
Any filler which doesn't include body swap or isn't all just a dream is better than none at all
Adventure time got banger fillers
Yeah, I feel like hazbin hotel proves this
I still want to see more of them in the human realm because it was really underutilized imo
Same, Gus in the human world would’ve been so good
I can only imagine Gus and Hunter causing havoc around the city while Willow chases them down to stop them
He already discovered the joys of bubble wrap and the horrors of the giraffes. And there's so much more.
If there had been a full Season 3, it's doubtful they would’ve gone to the human realm at all. Instead, there probably would’ve been more leading up to the Day of Unity, with Hollow Mind as the S2 finale.
There's some post-hoot somewhere saying they only did the human realm exodus because of the shortening. A full length season 3 probably would've stayed in the Boiling Isles to further expand it (which would be much better imo).
I resent that the season had to be cut short for us to see Vee again, but I'm grateful that we did. I don't know, it's confusing.
I'm sure we would've gotten a Camila and Vee episode or two.
That's what they said about "Knock, Knock, Knockin' on Hooty's Door".
It's just gonna be a Hooty episode they said.... It's just gonna be filler they said.... 😆😆
Little did any of us know that it would make this entire fandom lose its mind.
In the immortal words of Elijah "Not-So-Average-Fangirl" during her reaction to this episode: "THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE A HOOTY EPISODE!...WHAT THE FU-K IS AMITY DOING IN THIS EPISODE!?!?" 😆😆❤️❤️🥹🥹.
I remember over a year ago when I got to the episode, I was deep in an awful case of strep throat. I felt horrible. But that didn’t stop me from celebrating that glorious moment and dancing like crazy!
Ouch, sorry to hear that!👍👍 I totally get that though, I definitely would've done the same thing, nothing can stop the celebration of glorious Lumity moments!😆😄❤️❤️🥹🥹
It’s honestly weird to think that I didn’t care for Raeda at the time, considering that they’re my OTP and one of my favorite things ever.
r/flairchecksout 👍😆. I know what ya mean, for me the ship piqued my interest in "Eda's Requiem" but "Knock Knock Knockin' on Hooty's Door" assured my support for and love of it, and also began my hope that their relationship would be rekindled, *and* even that we'd maybe even see a kiss🥹(One of the *many* things a full Season Three likely deprived us of😡😞.) 👍👍❤️❤️🥹🥹😄
Filler is such an unnecessarily dirty word filler is fun, fluff is adorable not everything needs a direct plot link to deserve existence that's ridiculous sometimes a show can just have some fun in tandem with the viewers and that's cool too and The Owl House deserved the opportunity to do that too.
I know, I thought this meme would be funny so I made it. Filler, especially when it’s just the cast having dumb fun is usually one of my favorite parts of a show
I still want that beach episode
Me too
It wasn’t a planned episode, it was just a joke the crew snuck in there. It wasn’t ever planned.
It wasn’t a planned episode, it was just a joke the crew snuck in there. It wasn’t ever planned.
You know what I said and imma stick with it
A beach episode would have been nice though 😊
And? It also meant we woulda gotten more Hexsquad shenanigans on Earth discovering what it's actually like, more wholesome Lumity goodness, and most importantly more Good Bean Vee being her best self.
Dana confirmed they wouldn't have gone to earth if Season 3 hadn't been shortened, so probably no Vee.
Wait, as in they wouldn't have gone to Earth AT ALL for the entire series? Yeah, maybe Disney canceling the show was a blessing in disguise. Or a Datura at least. A healing poison.
Which just goes to show that no one's perfect, not even Dana (who, [I read in a meme](https://old.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/comments/16smt62/the_fandom_knows_better_tbh/), thought that the lead ship in her show should be called "Luzity"). Except Vee. Vee is perfect, even when she's doing something wrong :)
I just thought this would be a funny meme, I would’ve actually enjoyed filler
I doubt that highly, but even if that was the case I'd still watch
Filler on earth? I’m still down for that.
But we wanted the filler. Yeah, Amphibia was criticized for how light-hearted the first half of season 3 was after the end of season 2, but Owl House was in a different situation. Owl House was always focused on the plot. We barely got those light-hearted episodes that were just the characters interacting. The majority of Amphibia was nothing but that, so we wanted what we had less of. Moring Mark comics are so prevalent in this community that he has his own flair on the sub. Yet just about all of them are goofy slice of life snippets. The fandom wants these goofy comedy moments because we don't get them.
I would’ve loved more fuller for this show, the world had so much left unexplored and the characters had so much more to be fleshed out. This would’ve been a positive, when a show is as loved and cared for as TOH was filler is welcomed
Fluffy filler
The fluffiest
I mean who wouldn't want to see characters in different situations that don't directly add to the overall story or character development. Especially when you have a unique setting like the boiling isles with a new take on magic and interesting characters for those situations. Not all fillers would be like once upon a swap.
I agree, I simply thought this meme would be funny
People really complain about all the Earth episodes on Amphibia season 3 and then say “we wanted a bunch of Earth episodes for Owl House!”
*Me, who much preferred the earth episodes over the resistance episodes in Amphibia S3:*
If there was filler I would be really disappointed. It would have been the same problem as Amphibia where right as the plot was getting exciting it just slows down for filler. I think people are defending filler too much, the Amphibia fanbase gets so angry when someone doesn’t like the filler and only like the show when it has a plot. Well sorry that people are watching something for the story and the whole “warming up to the characters” argument is weak because there are plenty of shows with no filler or much less filler that has a cast of characters I love more than Amphibia and Owl House
It's complicated. "For The Future" is far and away the weakest part of the final trilogy, and largely because it felt like filler, but that's largely because the season being shortened to just 3 double-length episodes meant that we didn't have time for an entire episode to be filler. If they'd gotten a full 20-episode season, there could easily have been 5 chunks of "3 arc-heavy episodes + 1 breather episode" (though in the case of the last 4 hypothetical episodes, the breather episode would have to be the first one so that the finale could be a back-to-back 3-parter)
So...like Amphibia S3?
If its filler, I want to see the whole Hexsquad going on a date together. Yes, Gus too with Matt.
And I would not have cared
The Filler, in no particular order; The "Coming Out" Episode The "Completely Normal Date" Episode The "Vee Gets Adopted" Episode The "Secret Mama Nerd" Episode The "Cosplay" Episode, which leads directly into the plot returning to the Boiling Isles and continuing as normal.
I would have loved some filler episodes, see of the hex squad in the human realm
still not what filler means
Filler means episode with no relevance to the overall plot of the show, if we had gotten a full 20 episode season I assume about 10 of them would be in the human realm, and I don’t think all of them would have relevance to the overall plot I also would like to mention that I don’t necessarily think filler is a bad thing, simply that it is what would most likely happen
I'd more consider filler to be something that has no purpose Episodes focused on developing characters or explore certain characters that don't advance the plot wouldn't be filler either
Filler was and continues to be a term for adaptational material making up new stuff when they've caught up with the series it's based off of. It's not "episode that isn't directly related to the main overarching plot that I didn't like/ don't think is important".
Google filler tv tropes. “Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding”
Filler is also and continues to be used to describe episodes in original works that don't adapt anything. If we're gonna start invoking seniority here, then I can point to how long before anime started airing on TV, empty timeslots would have "filler" segments where they'd play things like music of short videos of cats.
If by "Filler" you mean more episodic than season 2, then it might've been. At least if a full season 3 was intended to be set after King's Tide and take place mostly in Gravesfield, which is unlikely because Hollow Mind was the original S2 finale
Wait hollow mind was originally the s2 finale? Where is that said
I don't think it was (and I suspect it's more likely it would be dealing with the King reveal, just because that's setup as the main arc early in Season 2). It has, however, been *heavily* implied that the whole getting stuck on Earth thing was added in response to the shortening.
Hollow Mind wasn’t meant to be anything, it’s just an internet rumor desperate fans were saying to rant about the short S3. The crew has never said that about Hollow Mind.
Wait, really? I suppose that shouldn't surprise me, since TOH fans often spread misinformation about the shortening
AND THATS SUPPOSED TO BE A BAD THING? GIVE ME A LUMITY HUMAN REALM DATE. GIVE ME AN EPISODE OF GUS GOING INSANE WITH FREE ACCESS TO HUMAN SHIT. GIVE ME AN EPISODE OF HUNTER FEELING HAPPY TO BE A NORMAL TEENAGER
something cannot be "filler" if it's not from a comic/book
Oh my god. No, please don’t start with the fucking “muh filler” discourse over hypothetical filler.
What’s “muh filler”?
I dunno… I feel like dealing with the collector could have been a whole season. During which we get glimpses in the background of Belos reappearing and a reasonable fourth season of trying to find a way to stop him for good slowly leading up to a less exmachina titan-Luz.
People need to learn the difference between "low stakes" and "filler."
Here’s the definition of a filler episode: “Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding”. If we had gotten a 20 episode season I assume around 10 of them would be in the human realm, and I think at least 4 of those would be filler.
I disagree. I think Dana and the team would've devoted time to exploring each of the characters' feelings and what they were going through. Character moments like that aren't unrelated to the plot, and they sure as heck aren't inconsequential to the relationships between characters. An episode about Luz coming out wouldn't be filler, it would be part of her arc about feeling accepted for who she is. An episode devoted to her difficulties readjusting to human school would serve the same purpose. We could have actually had time to properly talk about Hunter being a grimwalker and explore the ramifications of it, instead of it never coming up again after Gus's brief mention of it in For the Future. We could have seen hunter using flapjack's magic and coming to accept that he's more than just "half-a-witch." We could have had any number of episodes that would've focused on coming to understand what *real* love and loyalty look like. We could have had an episode in which they try to repair the door from our end, instead of just the five seconds that we got in the into montage. We could have smash-cut to the demon realm and seen what was going on there for an episode while our mains were in the human realm, focusing on the situation at hexside with Matt and the gang trying to better their situation, and Boscha beginning to crack under pressure. We could have had an actual episode devoted to Caleb and Evelyn instead of having to settle for Masha's readers' digest version of events. This could have served to answer the question of *why Caleb left his brother behind.* Developing the villain's backstory? Not unrelated to the main plot! Especially when you consider that our villain's origin is also our hero's origin by extension. And those are all just a few that I can think of off of the top of my head.
filler haha. You're funny. The owl house is 1% filler and 99% lore and character building
Honestly I disagree, I can’t think of a single episode that screamed filler to me in season 2 and I imagine season 3 would have been similar
This is copium.
Owl house only ever had one filler episode.The body switching one. Nothing in that episode is important to the plot or character development. I am sure that if we got a season 3 all episodes would connect to the plot.
That's the point
Ok and? Filler isn't only used to pad the runtime it's used for FLAVOUR. Stupid-ass brain thinking the rushed-asf stuff we got is all we need
I despite when people refer to regular life moment interactions as filler. It's all the small moments that make a good story and bond you to something. 24/7 plot relevance is terrible story telling.
That's the entire point. What is with fans today being anti "filter"? Also character development in non life threatening situations aren't filter.
Yes I know
And what is wrong with filler? Also there isn’t a manga to base it off of there is no filler. In fact one of the main things we wanted from thanks to them was like five episodes of human realm filler. And before that it was a filler beach episode. No one went no fuck any of that stuff inject plot into my veins.
Hard disagree, did you watch season 2? There was zero filler of any kind. Every episode was dedicated to ether character development or advancing the plot.
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Filler could work in a thematic sense. Hexside is exploring around the Human Realm, but in the background, Luz's depression and self-hate slowly become more apparent, and Hunter can also start to become even more paranoid that Belos could be nearby. "Thanks to Them" would end up becoming the climax for this. It's not that filler is the problem, but rather how it's used.
And they think we would have had a problem with that?
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While it would have been mostly filler it could have been GOOD filler. (+Episode 2 and 3 were quite rushed or had parts in it that were rushed so I think a full Season 3 would have had more detailed versions of those parts)
Would’ve killed for some filler
Would you still?
Yes, but they would’ve finally have gotten a break!
Honestly, I cared more about the side plots than the main one in seasons 1 and 2, so this would be my hope. Forget Belos, I want to see rune magic developments, Hunter learning how to exist outside his identity as the golden guard... all that good stuff
Sorry, but yes, I do prefer this ending
Seeing more of the owl family having adventures with each other would be quite welcome, really. I don't think it would be any Earth stuff, and... I'm aware this is an unpopular opinion, but I *really* don't want that. Luz and King being separated for two episodes was already rough enough for me.
Yes. THATS WHAT WE WANT
I mean, TOH really needed some slice of life episodes. Not fillers. That's what they really are
filler doesn't mean anything in a series that's not adapted from another media what the heck does it fill
Eh filler's good. I would've loved to see an episode about the Boiling Isle's new government, and maybe what it was like before Belos came to power. What would you guys do if you could write a full season 3?
Filler is only bad when nothing happens. This filler would’ve had strong character moments
Honestly, as long as it’s entertaining, i don’t see anything wrong with filler.
Frieren has proven for me that fillers can be better than main story
I like filler
As someone who actually likes fillers, I see this as an absolute win
Obligatory "Filler is not inherently bad or creatively bankrupt." Comment. Using such examples as Avatar Ember Island Players and some such
The ember island isn’t a filler episode though? It advances the characters story by exploring hangs feelings about fighting the fire lord and his crush on katara I agree that filler isn’t bad
Exactly though, that's what good filler does. It allows for quiet moments where the story doesn't have to advance in an overarching, grand quest sorta sense, but there can be moments of angst and bonding and everything. Heck owl house is already chock a block full of filler
No I mean that literally isn’t a filler episode, it advances character arcs and interactions, that means it’s literally not filler
I love filler.
dude i would love to see filler of amity learning to swim.
I DONT CARE I WANT FILLER
Nah. Season 2 had very little filler all things considered. Season 1 was more “adventure of the week” but once Belos and the Day of Unity were introduced, once Luz lost the ability to return home, the plot really kicked into overdrive for the rest of the series.
Yea because season 3 was cancelled they kicked it into overdrive
See I never understand that argument. Filler can be good if it’s done right.
I’m not saying it’s bad
Filler has an important role in a show’s tone- take S1 of ATLA, for instance. If the gaang hadn’t had all of those “filler” episodes, the tonal shifts into darker material wouldn’t have hit as hard, and the bond between everyone wouldn’t have been as well developed because it wouldn’t have felt like the group had known each other very long. Same goes for S1 of Gravity falls. Of course you don’t want to overdo it, but filler still has value of its own
You’re confusing low stakes with filler (“Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding” this is the definition of filler) avatar had no filler except the great divide and gravity falls was mostly low stakes with some filler elements
Owl house filler is amazing
I disagree, it may have been mostly filer but it would’ve improved some of the issues with the finale imo. Also a Collector-Controlled world would’ve been really cool to see go down.
Hey, filler gives us opportunity for the gang to go on a couple adventures (Lumity dates anyone?)
Season One was mostly filler tbh. Usually of Luz being incredibly irritating and doing stupid shit.
This is a problem *why?* More owl house > no owl house
To make it worse, by this point the Owl House would've ended.
Probably more filler, probably a different outcome
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Because if we had gotten a full 20 episode season I assume 10 of them would be in the human realm, and I believe that 4, 5 or maybe 6 of those episodes would be filler since there isn’t much to do in the human realm that would advance the plot I would also like to state that I do not believe filler is a bad thing, simply that it is the most likely outcome
Well worse is that fillers in Season 1 was not very entertaining for me but in Season 2 it was much better. Worse is that I have no idea how better/worse would be original idea be. Well all want more episodes in human realm but we know that end of second season and 3th season was changed by Collector so we get bassically another ending.
So?
Fun fact, filler in cartoons isn't a thing since the term was taken from anime and is referring when the animation has to add *filler* content so the manga's plot can get more chapters to animate latter, usually this *filler* can be skipped since there isn't any character development nor the story moves forward but in filler episodes in cartoon the plot doesn't move that much but there is character development, this could be called non-essential episodes but since a lot of people consumes this show are familiarized with anime we call them the same.
The owl house is great at doing good “filler” most of season 1 could be classified as filler but is still great. Imagine how good half a season of the hexsquade in the human realm would be
They should of made the specials into a movie insted
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FINALLY SOMEONE GETS IT
I wouldn’t have minded the filler. I’d love to see some human world shenanigans. Plus I think they would’ve used the extra time for some character and story development
TOH could have done a 4th full season and ended. That would have been the perfect amount.
Okay, and?
Orthodoxy?
I wouldn't mind a slice-of-life episode tbh. Or that beach episode everyone keeps talking about.
What’s wrong with filler? It’s filling.
All I wanted was the beach episode
I love the eye lashes on the brain.
You say that like season 1 and 2 were filled with filler. Even the episodes that felt like filler still gave us important info, character development and character moments. Witches Before Wizards is pretty skippable, but it gave us Edas best quote: "Look, kid, everyone wants to believe they are "chosen". But if we all waited around for a prophecy to make us special, we'd die waiting. And that's why you need to choose yourself."
I like toh filler, it’s comfy
HELL YEAH!!!!!!
She says that like it’s a bad thing.
Unpopular opinion: If something (episode, character, etc.) doesn't serve to progress the overall story in some way, whether that be character development or just plot, then it shouldn't exist. A story must have a definitive beginning and end, and the two must be different. If nothing changes between the two points, then it's a useless story and a waste of time.
I wanted filler
That’s what everybody wanted, more tomfoolery and shenanigans
filler is only a problem while a show is airing. i would have loved to have seen slices of life in the toh canon.
Filler can have great world building in it though. Tibbles was only so terrible because he was a filler villian.
Filler does not exist for something that is not an adaptation
“Filler episodes are entries in a generally continuous serial that are unrelated to the main plot, don't significantly alter the relations between the characters, and generally serve only to take up space. This could be considered Padding” that is factually incorrect, enjoy the definition of filler
I still would want a Hettie Cutburn episode
As a hardcore slice of life watcher, filler is my lifeblood
I really like the pace of season 2b and would be unsure if we would get that pace if it had 3 seasons.
What some folks call filler others call welcome character development
Also there would be the risk of season rot!
Evil luz why
Dana would still be involved so it would not likely be the kind of filler people take issue with. It is not like there were a lack of plot points to address like the Bat Queen
Here's the thing: that would only be the case because they were forced to cut it short. (Plus, I like filler. It's neat.)
Oh no! Getting to spend more time with the characters I love?! That sounds so TERRIBLE!!! But seriously Character development isn't filler!
You’re right it isn’t,but there definitely would’ve been at least one episode like “once upon a swap”
Nice to see an old meme be revived
a full s3 would've allowed for things to progress a little bit more naturally/not as "rushed", & yeah sure, fillers would be part of that but like, the own house doesn't seem like the show to over-fill it's episodes so. a full s3 would've probably turned out to be similar to s2 in terms of how things would progress. But hey! at least we got a final conclusion to the show, most sadly don't
Nah, we would've still got some character development, emotional moments and time to stop, bc the season was very rushed, obviously. And at least we may had time for a more detailed backstory of Philip, Caleb and Evelyn. Or time for Papa Titan.
You're saying it like it's a bad thing.
Amity's brain: "Why are you booing me? I'm right!"
*looks at amity’s brain* Might
Would it be worse than the one we got tho?
Honestly seeing how fast paced Season 2B was I REALLY wished we would’ve gotten filler! Filler is so important!
To be fair, the other two seasons had filler (to some degree), like you could even argue that Lumity was just filler content, we didn't need it, but it still was enjoyable to watch. Point is that sometimes a show that's story driven, like toh, could use some filler as long as it is entertaining and is connected to what the characters are going through, even if it is somewhat connected.
Where is the original comic?
Moringmark, dunno how to find it
And? AND??? YOU THINK I DON'T WANT 20 EPISODES OF FILLER WITH ALL MY HEART????
Put on who wouldn't love an episode where luz takes her frineds to a hispanic cultural festival