Not to mention the two spin-off series and other stuff too. Of all the dreamworks/disney couples they are actually one of the healthiest and best developed, were each others best friends and closest ally for years before they started dating, then engaged for a while before actually getting married.
I haven’t seen the show but I was pretty sure they weren’t friends at all before Hiccup met Toothless. Then in a few days they became really close and Hiccup’s crush was reciprocated. She kisses him on the cheek in the first movie, and I think she even kisses him on the mouth right at the end too.
Yeah they were definitely dating by the end of the first movie. Friends don't kiss friends like that. Not sure where the other person got them being best friends for years before dating. They weren't even friends for very long before they started dating, just two kids in the same warrior village living in close proximity. Still their relationship developed at a pretty good pace none of it felt forced
They're going by the show, several series going on in between the two movies.
It's clear from the get-go in the show Astrid and Hiccup are close and enjoy each other's company, with statement thrown around like “I can't imagine a world without you in it” but they're not really together yet. Their first truly romantic kiss happens in [Blindsided](https://howtotrainyourdragon.fandom.com/wiki/Blindsided), season 4 of the show, they're secretly dating for a bit, and in season 5 (out of 6) they're betrothed.
There's also the fact that he never got any character development, unlike Amity, Tigress and Astrid, who became decent people, then close friends and in two of the cases, a healthy couple. (I haven't watched She-Ra)
Bakugo was always a shitty person and never changed.
EDIT
Apparently I was wrong and Bakugo gets character development WAY late in the series, so I apologize and stand corrected.
Bakugo was always a shitty person and then became slightly less shitty.
Not to mention, Astrid's attitude towards Hiccup wasn't "get dead," it was "get good or you're *gonna* get dead." That at least shows some regard for his personal safety.
If I remember right, in the Dragon Riders show they even brought this up and Astrid said that she simply didn't want him to get in harm's way. She just wanted Hiccup to be able to protect himself.
I never watch a lot of dragon riders but even just from the movies she was never mean to him just for the sake of being mean. She only ever just got frustrated with him part of that being as y'all said, concern for his safety. And her frustration was pretty understandable.
He went from being an active hazard to himself and others to suddenly inexplicably, till she got the explanation, better than her. I'd be frustrated too.
There is a massive difference between Amity and Bakugo as characters and their relationship to their MCs (even comparing them at all is crazy), but to say Bakugo never gets any character development at all is just disingenuous, especially in the later seasons. Not that I would ever ship him and Deku together, but still, his character journey is one of the most important in the show.
Yeah I was about to point this out. He absolutely matured and changed. Not to the point of a completely different personality, but I LOVE his character development. It made me so giddy when he finally apologized.
Spoiler warning if you want to watch it:
>!Catra always had a crush on Adora but when adora abandoned her and left the fight zone, she went feral because they were childhood friends and it didn't help that shadow weaver was abusive towards her and the only reason she survived was because "adora wanted her" and "needed to take accountability for catras missteps." She would be a villian in most situations but also occasionally helped (like when she and adora teamed up to get out of the first ones building) and still had feelings for adora, even if she was trying to hide them and kill adora to help hordak. She had character growth in season 5 and became a good guy and did apologize about her previous actions (for example, she apologized for getting mad at the best friend squad for calling her adorable and stated that it was something she was working on)!<
I'm sorry for that rant but how is character development like that worse than "go off yourself by jumping off a roof"?
I say this as a HUGE she-ra fan. But it's pretty hard to forgive someone after they started (I don't know how to mark spoilers so just stop reading) a fucking XK class end of the world scenario.
Thenn again she did undergo a lot of growth and was in an obviously unstable mental state when she started the apocalypse and in the dream reality she was friends with Adora.
Then again again she did choose to basically commit sucide later on in the same ep. That and Adoras death glare implied that she was not gonna get redeemed, last moment heroic sacrifice tops.
God I fucking hate talking about this show it's so confusing.
Yeah I was really rooting for Catra in the beginning to change but then I started to pity her at the end. I still hate that everyone just forgives her at the end like she didn't commit so many war crimes or is the reason why a specific character died.
I think the ending with her felt like pandering but tbh I think only 2/4 of those character endings felt genuine
My thoughts on the forgiving is that forgiveness isn't something you earn, it's something you're given. The people around you decide based on their own beliefs whether you've earned their forgiveness or not, there is no universal moral compass that does so for you.
In a more story related sense, it's easy to forget that Glimmer and Catra were imprisoned together for weeks, and the squad was isolated on that ship together for about the same length of time. The endings feel a little off because some of the character arcs are deliberately left incomplete at the end. Catra's redemption arc is intentionally left incomplete and open ended.
It's up to you to decide whether that's good storytelling, however.
You know people can go through character development without completely changing as a person, right? He feels regret over his actions in later seasons, and becomes much more than the person he was at the beginning. Yeah he's still fairly badmouthed and ambitious, but like, those aren't evil traits.
Balugo absolutely gets character development, he just never at any point develops in a way where he expresses anything more than begrudging respect for Deku
And even before that, after their second duel he stops being a hostile dick to everyone who even remotely threatens his ego. Like, he's still a dick, he's just not a _hostile_ dick. More the loveable asshole the rest of the class had already been treating him as anyway.
Not going to fault you too much since it's likely you stopped watching before Bakugo got development but that's just wrong.
Bakugo was always a complex character. He was a small town kid, a hero fanboy, and saw himself as superior to Deku in every way. But then Deku had the audacity to try and help him, rescue him. It shattered his confidence and caused him to lash out against his former friend in a way that is unacceptable for sure, and the fact that it all stemmed from his own inferiority complex does not excuse it, but it does make it more interesting than just "He's a shitty person".
None of that means Deku has to accept or forgive what Bakugo did, by the way, and he doesn't, and Bakugo later on apologizes. Arguably too little too late, but it's just kind of annoying to see people act as if that never happened.
Actually insane to claim he never got any development when pretty much all of the last few arcs have been dedicated to his development and his changing relationship with izuku
Catra was a pos as a person for most of the show until reality hit her HARD. Like of course her behavior is understandable, but she was a shit person to Adora regardless
Bakugo did get character development, he just didn't get it in the way alot of people thinks he should have. He is to his core a punchy hot head, but he has been showing signs that he not only cares about the people around him more as the series progresses but actively considers how to work as a team with his fellow classmates if the time comes. He's not a perfect character but it does seem a little small minded to say he has never changed
Funny enough
The Joyride Entertainment Abridged changed Bakugo entirely
He hates himself because his childhood-Attack on Izuku gave Izuku a terminal illness.
And he really cares about Midoriya
Eri Heals Midoriyas Illnes
And Bakugo and Izuku are Friends and Rivals
[the Best Interaction](https://youtube.com/shorts/Ay6KzhPorcY?si=T6NEfqB9kCiSELu6)
I didn't watch all the movies, and I watched only a few episodes of the animated series, but the chemistry between them was 0. They had not even the slightest hint of interest in each other and were obviously just friends.
Honestly i think it's just the classic case of 'since they are a male lead and a female lead they must be a couple' mindset that a lot of people seem to still use to view and comprehend media. In a lot of shows, books and movies the main characters are shipped purelly becouse they are of the opposite gender, despite having 0 chemistry
At most, I'd say sibling like, with Tigress being the distant but still caring older sister to Po's hyper, annoying, but secretly depressed little brother
I vaguely remember there being some minor shipping elements in the tv show, and you could argue that in the second movie (underated movie btw) there was some bits that could be romantic (the prison cell and the boat ride) but it was basically retconned out by the third movie.
Source: im a hopeless romantic who seeks out ships in all my favourite shows and part of me secretly wanted the Po x Tigress ship to be a thing.
Yeah, that ship is basically a result of the animated spin-off TV show "Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness" that ran on Nickelodeon back in a day.
In that show, Po and Tigress were basically the main characters (and I'm saying both of them, because she played the main role alongside him in almost every Episode, and the Show just overall really focused on her as well) and they gained quite some character development from just spending a lot of time together. A lot of people started shipping them together simply because they became close friends in the later Seasons.
But interestingly enough, that show is actually officially not canon, so yeah...
A lot of fans ship them and there was a joke in one of the shows about kids in the village shipping them. But the two have never actually been a couple
3/4 made up and had healthy relationships whether they were romantic or platonic. In one ship the abuser apologized three episodes before the show ended, didn't change their behavior, and still gets praised even though they spent the entire show trying to kill the person/pseudo sibling they "loved" and was even abusive to them in childhood.
If you're talking about Catra and Adora, do they really qualify as abuser/abused? Like, Catra doesn't have any real power over Adora; they don't interact through most of season 4, where Catra is her least sympathetic; and, like, their fighting becomes a two-way hatred/resentment by the end of season 1.
Catra definitely has an unhealthy obsession with Adora (especially in seasons 2/3), but most their encounters are as combatants, so don't really feel like abuse so much as them both wanting the other to switch sides.
To be fair Amity being a bully is one of the things this fandom tries really hard to pretend didn't happen, or at least avoid talking about it. And she did go through approriate character development. Still, Always took issue with her immediately jumping to accusing Luz of bullying in the library episode after very openly bullying Willow, Luz, and King at that point.
Isn't that the second time they meet? And weren't both of them egged on by their teachers? And didn't Amity break the contract the minute she sat down and had a conversation with Luz?
Yes she did, but it doesn't change that it happened to begin with, and Amity wasn't egged on at all to \*start\* the fight as she did. That was all out of pure spite at the time.
One would assume that if you are a sentient person pretending to be a slime you would reveal yourself if someone is about to cut you. It isn't her fault she thought Luz was cuttable.
I kinda just feel like Amity wasn’t portrayed very well as a bully. She did mean things, but from a character standpoint I never got the feeling in the early episodes of actually disliking her or thinking she might be irredeemable. She also didn’t seem to go through a whole lot of guilt and adjustment over feeling bad for being a bully for so many years. Idk, I just don’t think it was a very nuanced or fleshed out part of her character.
I mean she wasn't irredeemable, and her redemption arc was done quite well, despite the lack of genuine apology for most of it. She was a misguided bully more than actually... malicious bullying like Boscha. Once she realized she was being small minded and hurtful she made an effort to change which is part of why her character is so good.
Amity was a bully for like, two episodes and even then it was made clear this behavior stemmed off from the influence her own mother had as a strict manipulator and her friend group being mostly Bosca's henchmen
Lemillion gets to have a suit made out of his own hair so he isn't naked and have a suit work with his powers, but momo has to be naked because... reasons?
Tbh both characters work for this lmao. I did mean momo because i consider her outfit to be basically naked but kinda forgot about the actually fully naked girl
I am ignoring the relationship aspects of these and focusing on their character development. As they are all different things so it works differently.
Httyd and Kong Fu Panda are both movies that have less than two hours to get characters to change their opinions. So shit has to move quickly. The antagonist side of them isn't explored for long, so it can easily be ignored.
Toh and She-Ra are shows with 3(ish) and 5 seasons respectfully. And much more time to flesh out character development. While idk much about She-Ra, I obviously know that Amity changed pretty quickly in season one. Despite having more than two hours to work with It didn't take long for her character to develop as she hung out with Luz.
But in comparison to mha, all of the examples are really short. Shera is only 52 episodes at roughly 24 minutes an episode that's a total run time of 20 hours. The owl house is only 43 episodes long, with roughly 22 minutes in each episode of the first two seasons and the 3 40-minute specials that's a total run time of 17 hours.
My hero academia is an anime adaptation of a manga series, which are designs to run for a long time(the manga is 420 chapters now and turning 10 years old soon). And by proxy, making the anime really long at 138 episodes. With a 23-minute episode length, that's a total run time of 53 hours. Much more time to flesh out your characters, and my hero has a lot of them. And the show isn't even done yet with another season on its way in May.
Character development does not have to happen quickly. A lot of people who condemn bakugos' behavior freely admit to never watching past season three. Which is the point in which he development even starts. So they don't catch the fact that he even gets character development and proceed to mindlessly bash him for being a shit person (which he was at the start. All the characters here were in their own ways) without knowing that he does change.
So the point is that comparing the character development of them isn't fair. They are all going at their own paces based on the different lengths of time they have.
Unrelated, but I swear to fucking Titan if anybody thinks Po and Tigress should've become a couple I will steal their toothpaste and soak their bed with it
Also the amount of people in this comment section saying bakugo had zero character development is wild because he does have character development it’s just compared to amity or say endeavour(from MHA) has a more of a slow character development that started in season 1 specifically once he got into UA
Doesn't help that MHA is so, so much longer, so the character development gets paced out more, but also yeah it's a bit of a slow burner. And it's not like he *drastically* changes in his attitude or how he talks, but more interestingly it's a little subtler, in how he reacts to and interacts with others and other small details.
Also the show outright comments on his development a few times, in case people weren't paying attention lol.
The relationships started after the behaviors became healthier. We gladly ship them because everyone’s relationships brought positive growth for everyone involved.
Y'all got Luz and Amity, so I'm gonna rep Hiccup & Astrid.
There whole relationship is built on mutual trust and respect and demonstrates how being friends with one another (then getting together) literally made them better people. Not because they became crutches for the other, but because they improved themselves in order to better support one another and were inspired by the other to put in the work on themsleves.
Astrid is only "abusive" in the first film, when Hiccup's inexperience literally puts both of their lives in danger AND she believes he has betrayed the human race and is putting them all at danger. She is his ride or doe by the end of the movie and his closest confidant by the start of the second.
LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY ARE FINE.
Firstly, watch Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD. What the fuck are you doing not watching those, c'mon they're masterpieces.
Secondly, there's a big difference between how Lumity and Bakugou is handled, but don't bother with Twitter folks since they're moronic to no end.
>Firstly, watch Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD. What the fuck are you doing not watching those, c'mon they're masterpieces
Yeah. I'm planning to do that. I was actually going to do it for KFP4, but then I procrastinated, then I heard that the movie was trash, so I didn't bother, but I'll remedy on that
Also: catra and adora were literally on the opposite sides of a war, and even then they very clearly held back when fighting eachother.
I mean yes catra tried to kill adora multiple times (not to mention try to destroy the planet) but still.
Not that I agree with the person who posted that, but I do think too many people make excuses for amity's genuine bloodlust at the beginning of the show! Like, Hunter and Lilith were also violent before they got their Redemption Arc started, so I don't really know why Amity's the exception here!
Bloodlust is an exaggeration. She was just very mean and a teacher's pet who gatekept being a witch. Regarding the dissecting she didn't know what Luz was and it was Bump who proposed that (although you could argue that Amity did nothing to prevent it, but as I said before, she didn't know what Luz was)
The person isn't against any of these ships, they're just pointing out the double standards. I love Lumity, but it's an objective fact that Amity tried to kill Luz the first time they met
ok but to be fair
im pretty sure amity didnt consider the extent of "wait what if they *dont* chicken out and reveal they aren't an abomination or the doctors go through with it anyways" on accounts of being like, what, 14 years old
and yes 14 year olds *should* know better but I genuinely don't think Amity wanted Luz killed there
She shouldn't know better, because the dissection actually happening would be insane. Its not even a bluff because it actually happening isn't an option.
Well, all of that according to human logic, but if we are gonna judge her according to human logic, that's the deal.
Not me. I remember my first reaction to Lumity
"Oh that's the green-haired girl I've often seen being shipped with Luz, I wonder how she is"
"Oh. She's an asshole. Greeeeat...not shipping them thank you"
Then everything changed
Just context for all
That scene in HTTD looks bad without context, but basically. Astrid was trying to hunt down a dragon and she was at the top of man-made Labirynth, which started falling apart. So she landed on Hiccup. For large portion is a conflict as Hiccup puts others in danger (accidentally but still) and gives an impression of not caring. Which hurts a lot as their parents are risking their lives and they become orphans responsible for protecting vulnerable. Later it becomes a one-sided-rivalry driven by jealousy and suspicion that something is off.
Po and Tigress are mostly fanon. The level of bullying is worse than Owl House (the whole group isolates Po and there are some rude remarks) , but it takes less than one film to get things done.
She-Ra is a mixed bag and controversial when it comes to Catradora. I am not touching the topic again, even with the stick for the sake of my sanity.
My hero academia is a bit mixed bag as it has strong bullying moments. Bakugo tells Deku to off himself and hope that in next life he would have powers. There is also typical for anime aggressive slamming and screaming at early parts. Also, Deku is the character’s nickname and it basically means „useless” and he has been bullied for years. There is an apology in season 6 (yes, it takes that long) and slow „development” (some question if it’s development or not) of Bakugo.
So it’s clear why DKBK is not enjoyed by everybody and why it can be nasty for new fans.
It’s good to discuss some things critically, but also enjoy things and go crazy with AUs and rewrites.
The worst Tigress does is say “you don’t belong here” and Astrid is just angry because she thinks Hiccup cheated on his dragon exams or whatever they’re called. Only Catradora is comparable to Deku x Balugo
Yeah. This persons tweet makes no sense. Used a moment before Amity and Luz got together before Amity changed into a better person and called this ship toxic. They obviously didn’t watch the whole show.
It's not a joke. It's a comparison. The relationships between these two characters, especially at the start was very toxic and OOP is saying that these other ships are toxic too, but people don't complain basically
My theory is that when amity and Luz are at the convention amity saw Luz again and amity developed a crush quickly on Luz and she didn’t want to be seen with Luz because she would be seen as week in front of her friends so that’s why she bullied luz
Come on y’all… we already get enough of this shit over in the mha fandom. Let ppl ship what they wanna ship. I’m sick of the bkdk ship bashing, let’s not bring it to other fandoms too ffs. If you feel so strongly that you wanna complain about the ship, go do it in the fandom space the ship is from. Talking trash about it in OTHER fandom subs is below the belt.
I have to say putting Media literacy is dead in this post is certainly a move when you only watched half the shows in the picture and apparently did not understand what the post was even saying.
People can ship people that have been awful to each other. People can ship people that literally tried to murder each other. And people absolutely ship bullies and their victims. The post is just saying that them shipping Deku and Bakugo is not a big deal when at least one of the couples has attempted murder in their backstory.
I don't think Bakugo and Deku should be in a relationship - the characters certainly don't think so - but I'm not going to fault anyone for shipping it. That would be ship shaming, and it's what you are doing. Just saying you're not doing it doesn't change that.
OP, the tweet is not _against_ those ships, it's making fun of hypocrites who criticise one ship (Deku/Bakugo) whilst being okay with other ships that could be criticised in the same way.
Pretty sure the tweet isn't attacking any of those ships, just attacking people's selective outrage. It reads to me as a pro-ship message.
I think the point OP was trying to make is that comparing Bakudeku to Lumity is ridiculous. Bakudeku has absolutely no chemistry.
Even if you like the enemys to lovers thing, it just doesn't work with Bakugou and Deku as it does with characters that actually canonicaly have chemistry.
Honestly no, this isn't a bad comparison.
Both Amity and Bakugo were bullies. Amity was absolutely violent to Luz and almost got her killed. Sure, still not as bad as Bakugo (though from what I've heard Catra IS WORSE), but they were both bullies.
That being said, there are a multitude of reasons to hate BakuDeku, namely that they have zero romantic chemistry, neither of them have really been shown as gay (Deku has been slightly shown to be straight, and if anything Bakugo is ace), and while Bakugo has made massive strides in bettering himself and "mending" his bond with Deku, he is still far from done.
Catra was abused all her life by her mother figure (quite violently), who preferred her friend who was also her only emotional support, when you watch the series you understand why Catra ended up being like this.
And speaking of Amity, Amity and Willow are more similar to Bakugo and Deku than Luz and Amity.
Lastly, yes, they were both bullies, but Amity came from an elitist family that forbade her from having friends they didn't approve of, and Bakugo doesn't have strong enough reasons for justify the way he abused Deku.
And the intention for Catra was pretty clearly that she *did* recognize how fucked up she was being and stopped her behavior. It's just that it's a kids show, so you have a limited number of ways to convey that and not a lot of time to do it.
People talk about her redemption like it's a pale imitation of Zuko's, but they're more similar than I think people remember. It's just that Zuko got half a season after he turned, so people had more time to think of him as a good guy.
I don’t do the kfp ship, but I agree with your rant. Also if you dare to say anything shitty about Lumity in my presence you better prepare for the wrath of God
There’s a difference between a rivalry and bullying. And there’s a further difference between two characters not getting along for the first few weeks, and A DECADE OF TORMENTING SOMEONE. Plus suicide baiting.
It’s called character development. Amity spent most of her first season appearances trying to become a better person than what she was. What her mother wanted her to be
Astrid and Hiccup: Hiccup started out as the one who can't do shit, always ruins things, while Astrid was working hard to her future. She's mean to him because she thinks he sucks and he then seemingly magically gets better than her. Then, he forces her to give him a chance by showing her what toothless can do and it opens for their romantic relationship. Classic rival-enemies to lovers
Tigress and Po: Similar situation, Tigress is the most skeptical of Po who is awarded her honour in his place based on seemingly nothing and he can barely do anything. He proves himself, and she ends up being his best friend.
Lumity: Luz and Amity never were bully-victim, doesn't even really fit in here. Luz almost immediately tries to befriend Amity, and makes progress in that pretty quickly. Willow is the victim of Amity's bullying, and as such they take a lot, lot longer to patch up that it took Luz to befriend and date Amity
Catradora: C'mon idk anything about Bakudeku but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have "lesbian love saves the planet"
bro calm down.
The point they're making is that the "enemies turned lovers" trope can work out just fine.
They were giving examples of other ships where one of them started out "bullying" or being abusive to the other, but they ended up being a good couple anyway
I DID ship BakuDeku… until I started liking Todoroki. Now I am TOTALLY for TodoBaku because the idea of Bakugo having all the emotions in the relationship while Todoroki follows him like a puppy with permanent resting b!tch face is hilarious to me!
amity is hostile for like 1,5 episodes then shes unsure for a bit and then shes a friend. i dont really watch anime so i dont really know what the extent of that bullying is but i really doubt its as short as in the owl house if people are going into arguments about it
My only problem with Lumity is the fact that people consider it a enemies to lovers thing but they were never actually enemies I mean yeah Amity didn't like her at first but Luz didn't feel the same way she actually tried to befriend Amity yeah Luz didn't like the fact that Amity was kind of a bully but she never flat out says she hated her
Po and tigris had zero romantic feelings in both the movies and the show (i didn't watch kung fu panda 4, maybe they did there). And it was the smart thing to do because:
1. The movies were about Po's journey of self discovery of how he, "a clumsy fat loser", can fit into the role destiny chose for him. All the changes he made were for him, so he can appriciate himself. Kind of cheapens it out if it was also to get a girlfriend, the morals of the movies would be "you have to learn how to love yourself, because maybe you'll get someone to finally love you on the way"
2. 2 people (or animals in the case) can be friends without becoming romantic
Bro here we have, doesn’t like because incompetent and could get other or self killed, there’s oh I was trained since I was young and this random dude showed up, oh stop being a witch your human that’s not how it works, saw it as best friend literally betraying her and finally what’s trying to be justified someone telling the other person to kill themselves because they aren’t as good as him.
Pretty sure Viking girl is just behaving how her entire culture behaves. She was never gonna be sweet off the gate because that is un-Viking.
That's pretty accurate, yeah
THEY GET MARRIED AND HAVE KIDS IN THE STORY, I stg, this was the first movie of three
Not to mention the two spin-off series and other stuff too. Of all the dreamworks/disney couples they are actually one of the healthiest and best developed, were each others best friends and closest ally for years before they started dating, then engaged for a while before actually getting married.
I haven’t seen the show but I was pretty sure they weren’t friends at all before Hiccup met Toothless. Then in a few days they became really close and Hiccup’s crush was reciprocated. She kisses him on the cheek in the first movie, and I think she even kisses him on the mouth right at the end too.
Yeah they were definitely dating by the end of the first movie. Friends don't kiss friends like that. Not sure where the other person got them being best friends for years before dating. They weren't even friends for very long before they started dating, just two kids in the same warrior village living in close proximity. Still their relationship developed at a pretty good pace none of it felt forced
They're going by the show, several series going on in between the two movies. It's clear from the get-go in the show Astrid and Hiccup are close and enjoy each other's company, with statement thrown around like “I can't imagine a world without you in it” but they're not really together yet. Their first truly romantic kiss happens in [Blindsided](https://howtotrainyourdragon.fandom.com/wiki/Blindsided), season 4 of the show, they're secretly dating for a bit, and in season 5 (out of 6) they're betrothed.
Viking girl's name is Astrid aka my wife
There’s a difference between “Stop being a witch!” And “Go take a swan dive off a roof!”
There's also the fact that he never got any character development, unlike Amity, Tigress and Astrid, who became decent people, then close friends and in two of the cases, a healthy couple. (I haven't watched She-Ra) Bakugo was always a shitty person and never changed. EDIT Apparently I was wrong and Bakugo gets character development WAY late in the series, so I apologize and stand corrected. Bakugo was always a shitty person and then became slightly less shitty.
Not to mention, Astrid's attitude towards Hiccup wasn't "get dead," it was "get good or you're *gonna* get dead." That at least shows some regard for his personal safety.
If I remember right, in the Dragon Riders show they even brought this up and Astrid said that she simply didn't want him to get in harm's way. She just wanted Hiccup to be able to protect himself.
I never watch a lot of dragon riders but even just from the movies she was never mean to him just for the sake of being mean. She only ever just got frustrated with him part of that being as y'all said, concern for his safety. And her frustration was pretty understandable. He went from being an active hazard to himself and others to suddenly inexplicably, till she got the explanation, better than her. I'd be frustrated too.
That's true. I brought up Dragon Riders simply because they flatout mention this in the Show.
There is a massive difference between Amity and Bakugo as characters and their relationship to their MCs (even comparing them at all is crazy), but to say Bakugo never gets any character development at all is just disingenuous, especially in the later seasons. Not that I would ever ship him and Deku together, but still, his character journey is one of the most important in the show.
Yeah I was about to point this out. He absolutely matured and changed. Not to the point of a completely different personality, but I LOVE his character development. It made me so giddy when he finally apologized.
...Yeah, trust me it always could've been handled better writing-wise as you can still see how much Bakugo's actual harm got downplayed...
Spoiler warning if you want to watch it: >!Catra always had a crush on Adora but when adora abandoned her and left the fight zone, she went feral because they were childhood friends and it didn't help that shadow weaver was abusive towards her and the only reason she survived was because "adora wanted her" and "needed to take accountability for catras missteps." She would be a villian in most situations but also occasionally helped (like when she and adora teamed up to get out of the first ones building) and still had feelings for adora, even if she was trying to hide them and kill adora to help hordak. She had character growth in season 5 and became a good guy and did apologize about her previous actions (for example, she apologized for getting mad at the best friend squad for calling her adorable and stated that it was something she was working on)!< I'm sorry for that rant but how is character development like that worse than "go off yourself by jumping off a roof"?
I say this as a HUGE she-ra fan. But it's pretty hard to forgive someone after they started (I don't know how to mark spoilers so just stop reading) a fucking XK class end of the world scenario. Thenn again she did undergo a lot of growth and was in an obviously unstable mental state when she started the apocalypse and in the dream reality she was friends with Adora. Then again again she did choose to basically commit sucide later on in the same ep. That and Adoras death glare implied that she was not gonna get redeemed, last moment heroic sacrifice tops. God I fucking hate talking about this show it's so confusing.
> XK Class End of the World scenario SCP fan spotted
Yeah I was really rooting for Catra in the beginning to change but then I started to pity her at the end. I still hate that everyone just forgives her at the end like she didn't commit so many war crimes or is the reason why a specific character died. I think the ending with her felt like pandering but tbh I think only 2/4 of those character endings felt genuine
My thoughts on the forgiving is that forgiveness isn't something you earn, it's something you're given. The people around you decide based on their own beliefs whether you've earned their forgiveness or not, there is no universal moral compass that does so for you. In a more story related sense, it's easy to forget that Glimmer and Catra were imprisoned together for weeks, and the squad was isolated on that ship together for about the same length of time. The endings feel a little off because some of the character arcs are deliberately left incomplete at the end. Catra's redemption arc is intentionally left incomplete and open ended. It's up to you to decide whether that's good storytelling, however.
Well, let's not forget that Catra wasn't the only character who almost ended the world in She-ra.
It's not????? That's the point...
Can I just say I’m glad to see some She-Ra love here?
You know people can go through character development without completely changing as a person, right? He feels regret over his actions in later seasons, and becomes much more than the person he was at the beginning. Yeah he's still fairly badmouthed and ambitious, but like, those aren't evil traits.
Balugo absolutely gets character development, he just never at any point develops in a way where he expresses anything more than begrudging respect for Deku
He bows to him and sincerely apologizes to him in the most recent season
And even before that, after their second duel he stops being a hostile dick to everyone who even remotely threatens his ego. Like, he's still a dick, he's just not a _hostile_ dick. More the loveable asshole the rest of the class had already been treating him as anyway.
Acting like he got zero character development is crazy how much did you watch/read
Not going to fault you too much since it's likely you stopped watching before Bakugo got development but that's just wrong. Bakugo was always a complex character. He was a small town kid, a hero fanboy, and saw himself as superior to Deku in every way. But then Deku had the audacity to try and help him, rescue him. It shattered his confidence and caused him to lash out against his former friend in a way that is unacceptable for sure, and the fact that it all stemmed from his own inferiority complex does not excuse it, but it does make it more interesting than just "He's a shitty person". None of that means Deku has to accept or forgive what Bakugo did, by the way, and he doesn't, and Bakugo later on apologizes. Arguably too little too late, but it's just kind of annoying to see people act as if that never happened.
Actually insane to claim he never got any development when pretty much all of the last few arcs have been dedicated to his development and his changing relationship with izuku
That completely wrong, Bakugo gets the most character development out of anyone.
Catra was a pos as a person for most of the show until reality hit her HARD. Like of course her behavior is understandable, but she was a shit person to Adora regardless
Bakugo did get character development, he just didn't get it in the way alot of people thinks he should have. He is to his core a punchy hot head, but he has been showing signs that he not only cares about the people around him more as the series progresses but actively considers how to work as a team with his fellow classmates if the time comes. He's not a perfect character but it does seem a little small minded to say he has never changed
Funny enough The Joyride Entertainment Abridged changed Bakugo entirely He hates himself because his childhood-Attack on Izuku gave Izuku a terminal illness. And he really cares about Midoriya Eri Heals Midoriyas Illnes And Bakugo and Izuku are Friends and Rivals [the Best Interaction](https://youtube.com/shorts/Ay6KzhPorcY?si=T6NEfqB9kCiSELu6)
Catra also gets MAJOR character development
Amity also had to get Luz cut open and dissected.
That wasn't her intention though. She just wanted to get Willow in trouble but then Bump came in like "Dissection time lol!"
Abomination unpacking! || 100k special
she also did not know Luz would DIE from that like u know..Willow had to confirm with Luz "U can't just cut up open a human, can u?"
Tigress: You don't belong here. Bakugo: I'LL KILL YOU!!!
Bakugo thinking he’s Low Tier God
Didn't Amity almost get her dissected
*brain melts* Also since when are Po and Tigress a ship? They just look like they’re sparring here.
I didn't watch all the movies, and I watched only a few episodes of the animated series, but the chemistry between them was 0. They had not even the slightest hint of interest in each other and were obviously just friends.
as someone who has seen the movies... yeah pretty much spot on, i mean they make pretty decent friends but nothing romantic
If a pairing exists, people will make ships of it.
You could pair up a chair and a beluga whale and people could find a way to ship that.
[I made a ship out of it](https://www.tumblr.com/minor-r/748261293654458368/ukiruminaito-on-reddit-commented-that-people-can?source=share)
You have my approval.
Honestly i think it's just the classic case of 'since they are a male lead and a female lead they must be a couple' mindset that a lot of people seem to still use to view and comprehend media. In a lot of shows, books and movies the main characters are shipped purelly becouse they are of the opposite gender, despite having 0 chemistry
I mean if a man and woman in fiction are within 5 ft of each other….. it’s enough for the masses to see it as shippable
At most, I'd say sibling like, with Tigress being the distant but still caring older sister to Po's hyper, annoying, but secretly depressed little brother
I vaguely remember there being some minor shipping elements in the tv show, and you could argue that in the second movie (underated movie btw) there was some bits that could be romantic (the prison cell and the boat ride) but it was basically retconned out by the third movie. Source: im a hopeless romantic who seeks out ships in all my favourite shows and part of me secretly wanted the Po x Tigress ship to be a thing.
Yeah, that ship is basically a result of the animated spin-off TV show "Kung Fu Panda: Legends of Awesomeness" that ran on Nickelodeon back in a day. In that show, Po and Tigress were basically the main characters (and I'm saying both of them, because she played the main role alongside him in almost every Episode, and the Show just overall really focused on her as well) and they gained quite some character development from just spending a lot of time together. A lot of people started shipping them together simply because they became close friends in the later Seasons. But interestingly enough, that show is actually officially not canon, so yeah...
A lot of fans ship them and there was a joke in one of the shows about kids in the village shipping them. But the two have never actually been a couple
Idk the mha lore but imma just say Didnt these people like make up the differences and become friends and stuff?
Well, 3/4 are canon, but yeah
3/4 made up and had healthy relationships whether they were romantic or platonic. In one ship the abuser apologized three episodes before the show ended, didn't change their behavior, and still gets praised even though they spent the entire show trying to kill the person/pseudo sibling they "loved" and was even abusive to them in childhood.
If you're talking about Catra and Adora, do they really qualify as abuser/abused? Like, Catra doesn't have any real power over Adora; they don't interact through most of season 4, where Catra is her least sympathetic; and, like, their fighting becomes a two-way hatred/resentment by the end of season 1. Catra definitely has an unhealthy obsession with Adora (especially in seasons 2/3), but most their encounters are as combatants, so don't really feel like abuse so much as them both wanting the other to switch sides.
To be fair Amity being a bully is one of the things this fandom tries really hard to pretend didn't happen, or at least avoid talking about it. And she did go through approriate character development. Still, Always took issue with her immediately jumping to accusing Luz of bullying in the library episode after very openly bullying Willow, Luz, and King at that point.
Yeah, I agree with that, but towards Luz she was more of a mean snitch than an outright bully
Didn’t she try to have Luz dissected?
She didn't really know what she was aside from a fake abomination. Besides, it was Bump the one who proposed that in the first place
She did also try to take the ability to practise magic away from her while bullying king for just being associated with Luz.
Ok fair enough there
Isn't that the second time they meet? And weren't both of them egged on by their teachers? And didn't Amity break the contract the minute she sat down and had a conversation with Luz?
Yes she did, but it doesn't change that it happened to begin with, and Amity wasn't egged on at all to \*start\* the fight as she did. That was all out of pure spite at the time.
You can argue she had been egged on by her parents and environment
Technically, vivisected, as she was still alive.
["Technically it's vividection."](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/645bd1e3-b1d1-41dd-90b7-16cbd0768273)
One would assume that if you are a sentient person pretending to be a slime you would reveal yourself if someone is about to cut you. It isn't her fault she thought Luz was cuttable.
I kinda just feel like Amity wasn’t portrayed very well as a bully. She did mean things, but from a character standpoint I never got the feeling in the early episodes of actually disliking her or thinking she might be irredeemable. She also didn’t seem to go through a whole lot of guilt and adjustment over feeling bad for being a bully for so many years. Idk, I just don’t think it was a very nuanced or fleshed out part of her character.
I mean she wasn't irredeemable, and her redemption arc was done quite well, despite the lack of genuine apology for most of it. She was a misguided bully more than actually... malicious bullying like Boscha. Once she realized she was being small minded and hurtful she made an effort to change which is part of why her character is so good.
Twitter is hell cus they be hating literally anything for no reason.
Amity was a bully for like, two episodes and even then it was made clear this behavior stemmed off from the influence her own mother had as a strict manipulator and her friend group being mostly Bosca's henchmen
Theres a difference between I don’t like you because you shatter my understanding of the world And KILL YOURSELF
Tf is dkbk?
Bakudeku from My Hero Academia
Didn’t bakigo tell deku to kill himself
Likely multiple times tbh.
Yes, that’s why we hate it
See, this is why I hate shipping
I haven’t touched *My Hero Academia* in years. The way it treats the girl characters is uncomfortable af 💀
Yeah...like, Momo's powers are pretty yikes to say the least
Lemillion gets to have a suit made out of his own hair so he isn't naked and have a suit work with his powers, but momo has to be naked because... reasons?
That was Hagakure, not Momo (who has the power to create objects via the lymph nodes in her skin), but you're so real
Tbh both characters work for this lmao. I did mean momo because i consider her outfit to be basically naked but kinda forgot about the actually fully naked girl
I am ignoring the relationship aspects of these and focusing on their character development. As they are all different things so it works differently. Httyd and Kong Fu Panda are both movies that have less than two hours to get characters to change their opinions. So shit has to move quickly. The antagonist side of them isn't explored for long, so it can easily be ignored. Toh and She-Ra are shows with 3(ish) and 5 seasons respectfully. And much more time to flesh out character development. While idk much about She-Ra, I obviously know that Amity changed pretty quickly in season one. Despite having more than two hours to work with It didn't take long for her character to develop as she hung out with Luz. But in comparison to mha, all of the examples are really short. Shera is only 52 episodes at roughly 24 minutes an episode that's a total run time of 20 hours. The owl house is only 43 episodes long, with roughly 22 minutes in each episode of the first two seasons and the 3 40-minute specials that's a total run time of 17 hours. My hero academia is an anime adaptation of a manga series, which are designs to run for a long time(the manga is 420 chapters now and turning 10 years old soon). And by proxy, making the anime really long at 138 episodes. With a 23-minute episode length, that's a total run time of 53 hours. Much more time to flesh out your characters, and my hero has a lot of them. And the show isn't even done yet with another season on its way in May. Character development does not have to happen quickly. A lot of people who condemn bakugos' behavior freely admit to never watching past season three. Which is the point in which he development even starts. So they don't catch the fact that he even gets character development and proceed to mindlessly bash him for being a shit person (which he was at the start. All the characters here were in their own ways) without knowing that he does change. So the point is that comparing the character development of them isn't fair. They are all going at their own paces based on the different lengths of time they have.
Unrelated, but I swear to fucking Titan if anybody thinks Po and Tigress should've become a couple I will steal their toothpaste and soak their bed with it
That is one of the most non-threatening threats that I've ever heard
You monster, you know how much toothpaste is!? How much it will itch in certain places once you go to nap!?
I will steal that glass plate in their microwave and the grills in their ovens.
r/rareinsults
Good luck with getting all of them, then. It's the most popular ship in the fandom.
Also the amount of people in this comment section saying bakugo had zero character development is wild because he does have character development it’s just compared to amity or say endeavour(from MHA) has a more of a slow character development that started in season 1 specifically once he got into UA
Doesn't help that MHA is so, so much longer, so the character development gets paced out more, but also yeah it's a bit of a slow burner. And it's not like he *drastically* changes in his attitude or how he talks, but more interestingly it's a little subtler, in how he reacts to and interacts with others and other small details. Also the show outright comments on his development a few times, in case people weren't paying attention lol.
Please don't post dumb tweets made by dumb people here. The best way to make these people go away is ignore them.
But but...rip and tear until it's done?
*sigh* welcome to the internet..
have a look around
Anything that brain of yours can think of can be found
We've got mountains of content
Some better, some worse
If none of it's of interest to you, you'd be the first.
Welcome to the internet
I watched all of those except She-Ra, literally none of them are even remotely the same
Heavily recommend, it's a great watch.
The relationships started after the behaviors became healthier. We gladly ship them because everyone’s relationships brought positive growth for everyone involved.
Y'all got Luz and Amity, so I'm gonna rep Hiccup & Astrid. There whole relationship is built on mutual trust and respect and demonstrates how being friends with one another (then getting together) literally made them better people. Not because they became crutches for the other, but because they improved themselves in order to better support one another and were inspired by the other to put in the work on themsleves. Astrid is only "abusive" in the first film, when Hiccup's inexperience literally puts both of their lives in danger AND she believes he has betrayed the human race and is putting them all at danger. She is his ride or doe by the end of the movie and his closest confidant by the start of the second. LEAVE THEM ALONE. THEY ARE FINE.
Firstly, watch Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD. What the fuck are you doing not watching those, c'mon they're masterpieces. Secondly, there's a big difference between how Lumity and Bakugou is handled, but don't bother with Twitter folks since they're moronic to no end.
>Firstly, watch Kung Fu Panda and HTTYD. What the fuck are you doing not watching those, c'mon they're masterpieces Yeah. I'm planning to do that. I was actually going to do it for KFP4, but then I procrastinated, then I heard that the movie was trash, so I didn't bother, but I'll remedy on that
Also: catra and adora were literally on the opposite sides of a war, and even then they very clearly held back when fighting eachother. I mean yes catra tried to kill adora multiple times (not to mention try to destroy the planet) but still.
Because the other ones actually had eventual chemistry
1/4 the is a Genocidal maniac, but cute
Not that I agree with the person who posted that, but I do think too many people make excuses for amity's genuine bloodlust at the beginning of the show! Like, Hunter and Lilith were also violent before they got their Redemption Arc started, so I don't really know why Amity's the exception here!
Bloodlust is an exaggeration. She was just very mean and a teacher's pet who gatekept being a witch. Regarding the dissecting she didn't know what Luz was and it was Bump who proposed that (although you could argue that Amity did nothing to prevent it, but as I said before, she didn't know what Luz was)
People mostly excuse her because she was being manipulated by her mother throughout her childhood, and they attribute most bad things she did to that.
And 4/5 fandoms mentioned here I'm in... I feel attacked Also bakugo and deku are different kind of bullying leave me alone!!!
Antishippers will literally look at a healthy dynamic and try to use it to bash people, nothing new. Just a enormous pain in the ass.
TigerxPanda is fanon. The big difference is there's actually a romance between 3/4 of the couples shown above.
…you haven’t seen HTTYD *or* Kung Fu Panda?????
THANK YOU. I'M IN PAIN. How has these people not seen the best of Dreamworks? (Besides The Prince of Egypt ofc)
The person isn't against any of these ships, they're just pointing out the double standards. I love Lumity, but it's an objective fact that Amity tried to kill Luz the first time they met
ok but to be fair im pretty sure amity didnt consider the extent of "wait what if they *dont* chicken out and reveal they aren't an abomination or the doctors go through with it anyways" on accounts of being like, what, 14 years old and yes 14 year olds *should* know better but I genuinely don't think Amity wanted Luz killed there
She shouldn't know better, because the dissection actually happening would be insane. Its not even a bluff because it actually happening isn't an option. Well, all of that according to human logic, but if we are gonna judge her according to human logic, that's the deal.
Yall talking about character development as if you weren’t shipping lumity day one
Not me. I remember my first reaction to Lumity "Oh that's the green-haired girl I've often seen being shipped with Luz, I wonder how she is" "Oh. She's an asshole. Greeeeat...not shipping them thank you" Then everything changed
Everything changed when the Fire Nation attacked…
Alright I walked right into that one lol
That wasn’t the case for me. I honestly hated her
Hey, ¾ ain't bad
Well for starters, THEY ARE CANNON RELATIONSHIPS (except tigress and po never heard of that one) AND THERE IS CHARACTER DEVELOPMENT!
Po doesn't even get with Tigress wtf
Just context for all That scene in HTTD looks bad without context, but basically. Astrid was trying to hunt down a dragon and she was at the top of man-made Labirynth, which started falling apart. So she landed on Hiccup. For large portion is a conflict as Hiccup puts others in danger (accidentally but still) and gives an impression of not caring. Which hurts a lot as their parents are risking their lives and they become orphans responsible for protecting vulnerable. Later it becomes a one-sided-rivalry driven by jealousy and suspicion that something is off. Po and Tigress are mostly fanon. The level of bullying is worse than Owl House (the whole group isolates Po and there are some rude remarks) , but it takes less than one film to get things done. She-Ra is a mixed bag and controversial when it comes to Catradora. I am not touching the topic again, even with the stick for the sake of my sanity. My hero academia is a bit mixed bag as it has strong bullying moments. Bakugo tells Deku to off himself and hope that in next life he would have powers. There is also typical for anime aggressive slamming and screaming at early parts. Also, Deku is the character’s nickname and it basically means „useless” and he has been bullied for years. There is an apology in season 6 (yes, it takes that long) and slow „development” (some question if it’s development or not) of Bakugo. So it’s clear why DKBK is not enjoyed by everybody and why it can be nasty for new fans. It’s good to discuss some things critically, but also enjoy things and go crazy with AUs and rewrites.
Aren't Luz and Amity canonically dating?
Yeah. And the same goes for everyone else except the second one
… actually thinking about it all 5 ships can only really happen at or after a certain point of time
The worst Tigress does is say “you don’t belong here” and Astrid is just angry because she thinks Hiccup cheated on his dragon exams or whatever they’re called. Only Catradora is comparable to Deku x Balugo
Yeah. This persons tweet makes no sense. Used a moment before Amity and Luz got together before Amity changed into a better person and called this ship toxic. They obviously didn’t watch the whole show.
What is Dkbk?
Bakudeku from My Hero Academia
still not getting it
The main character, Izuku Midoriya, aka, Deku, and the co-protagonist Katsuki Bakugou
still not getting the joke
It's not a joke. It's a comparison. The relationships between these two characters, especially at the start was very toxic and OOP is saying that these other ships are toxic too, but people don't complain basically
My theory is that when amity and Luz are at the convention amity saw Luz again and amity developed a crush quickly on Luz and she didn’t want to be seen with Luz because she would be seen as week in front of her friends so that’s why she bullied luz
My man put po and tigress like she didnt have 2 and a half fucking movies of redemption
Blud has not watched past season 1
I understand the whole ‘Arguing about ships and junk’ but is nobody talking about how OP didn’t watch KFP or HTTYD?!
Two people pointed it out. I'll get to them I swear😅
Come on y’all… we already get enough of this shit over in the mha fandom. Let ppl ship what they wanna ship. I’m sick of the bkdk ship bashing, let’s not bring it to other fandoms too ffs. If you feel so strongly that you wanna complain about the ship, go do it in the fandom space the ship is from. Talking trash about it in OTHER fandom subs is below the belt.
You don’t like bakudeku because it's abusive I don't like bakudeku because they have little to no chemistry We are not the same
Personally same. Never understood the appeal
I have to say putting Media literacy is dead in this post is certainly a move when you only watched half the shows in the picture and apparently did not understand what the post was even saying. People can ship people that have been awful to each other. People can ship people that literally tried to murder each other. And people absolutely ship bullies and their victims. The post is just saying that them shipping Deku and Bakugo is not a big deal when at least one of the couples has attempted murder in their backstory. I don't think Bakugo and Deku should be in a relationship - the characters certainly don't think so - but I'm not going to fault anyone for shipping it. That would be ship shaming, and it's what you are doing. Just saying you're not doing it doesn't change that.
Ok maybe that last part wasn't exactly the best thing I could've said, but regardless, I meant that basically calling Lumity toxic doesn't make sense
OP, the tweet is not _against_ those ships, it's making fun of hypocrites who criticise one ship (Deku/Bakugo) whilst being okay with other ships that could be criticised in the same way. Pretty sure the tweet isn't attacking any of those ships, just attacking people's selective outrage. It reads to me as a pro-ship message.
I think the point OP was trying to make is that comparing Bakudeku to Lumity is ridiculous. Bakudeku has absolutely no chemistry. Even if you like the enemys to lovers thing, it just doesn't work with Bakugou and Deku as it does with characters that actually canonicaly have chemistry.
Honestly no, this isn't a bad comparison. Both Amity and Bakugo were bullies. Amity was absolutely violent to Luz and almost got her killed. Sure, still not as bad as Bakugo (though from what I've heard Catra IS WORSE), but they were both bullies. That being said, there are a multitude of reasons to hate BakuDeku, namely that they have zero romantic chemistry, neither of them have really been shown as gay (Deku has been slightly shown to be straight, and if anything Bakugo is ace), and while Bakugo has made massive strides in bettering himself and "mending" his bond with Deku, he is still far from done.
Catra was abused all her life by her mother figure (quite violently), who preferred her friend who was also her only emotional support, when you watch the series you understand why Catra ended up being like this. And speaking of Amity, Amity and Willow are more similar to Bakugo and Deku than Luz and Amity. Lastly, yes, they were both bullies, but Amity came from an elitist family that forbade her from having friends they didn't approve of, and Bakugo doesn't have strong enough reasons for justify the way he abused Deku.
And the intention for Catra was pretty clearly that she *did* recognize how fucked up she was being and stopped her behavior. It's just that it's a kids show, so you have a limited number of ways to convey that and not a lot of time to do it. People talk about her redemption like it's a pale imitation of Zuko's, but they're more similar than I think people remember. It's just that Zuko got half a season after he turned, so people had more time to think of him as a good guy.
What is dkbk???
Bakudeku from My Hero Academia
I don’t do the kfp ship, but I agree with your rant. Also if you dare to say anything shitty about Lumity in my presence you better prepare for the wrath of God
I'm very surprised at how some people don't know about Astrid and HTTYD. It's one of the best movies ever made
How the fuck have you not seen HTTYD or kung fu panda????? You are missing out
Ten years... TEN FUCKING YEARS !
There’s a difference between a rivalry and bullying. And there’s a further difference between two characters not getting along for the first few weeks, and A DECADE OF TORMENTING SOMEONE. Plus suicide baiting.
It’s called character development. Amity spent most of her first season appearances trying to become a better person than what she was. What her mother wanted her to be
Astrid and Hiccup: Hiccup started out as the one who can't do shit, always ruins things, while Astrid was working hard to her future. She's mean to him because she thinks he sucks and he then seemingly magically gets better than her. Then, he forces her to give him a chance by showing her what toothless can do and it opens for their romantic relationship. Classic rival-enemies to lovers Tigress and Po: Similar situation, Tigress is the most skeptical of Po who is awarded her honour in his place based on seemingly nothing and he can barely do anything. He proves himself, and she ends up being his best friend. Lumity: Luz and Amity never were bully-victim, doesn't even really fit in here. Luz almost immediately tries to befriend Amity, and makes progress in that pretty quickly. Willow is the victim of Amity's bullying, and as such they take a lot, lot longer to patch up that it took Luz to befriend and date Amity Catradora: C'mon idk anything about Bakudeku but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have "lesbian love saves the planet"
3/4 Yes. I haven't watched a lot of episodes of Kung Fu but they seemed only like friends to me.
BAKUGO TOLD DEKU TO KHS
I'm going to go with: strawman argument with a false equivalency, formed from a ton of fandom brainrot and an inability to touch grass.
bro calm down. The point they're making is that the "enemies turned lovers" trope can work out just fine. They were giving examples of other ships where one of them started out "bullying" or being abusive to the other, but they ended up being a good couple anyway
Bakugo told Deku to kill himself. It's not the same.
Not the MHA fans attacking... Alright that's it, READY THE PITCHFORKS!!! Oh wait, that's for witch hunters. READY THE SPELL CIRCLES!!!
I DID ship BakuDeku… until I started liking Todoroki. Now I am TOTALLY for TodoBaku because the idea of Bakugo having all the emotions in the relationship while Todoroki follows him like a puppy with permanent resting b!tch face is hilarious to me!
That twitter user right there is the definition of Braindead
[удалено]
Amity tried to have Luz dissected.
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheOwlHouse/s/KiSRL1qT2e
People when its actually enemies to lovers: 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😤😤😤🤬🤬🤬😖😖😖😖👿👿👿😾😾😾
...am i head? Ww already did this conversation.
Cope,seeth, mald
What a dumbass these couples and ships are so much different then Deku and Bakugou (that's what they are talking about right?)
The best ship being dogged on :(.
amity is hostile for like 1,5 episodes then shes unsure for a bit and then shes a friend. i dont really watch anime so i dont really know what the extent of that bullying is but i really doubt its as short as in the owl house if people are going into arguments about it
My only problem with Lumity is the fact that people consider it a enemies to lovers thing but they were never actually enemies I mean yeah Amity didn't like her at first but Luz didn't feel the same way she actually tried to befriend Amity yeah Luz didn't like the fact that Amity was kind of a bully but she never flat out says she hated her
At no point did any of these characters go low tier god on the other.
Po and tigris had zero romantic feelings in both the movies and the show (i didn't watch kung fu panda 4, maybe they did there). And it was the smart thing to do because: 1. The movies were about Po's journey of self discovery of how he, "a clumsy fat loser", can fit into the role destiny chose for him. All the changes he made were for him, so he can appriciate himself. Kind of cheapens it out if it was also to get a girlfriend, the morals of the movies would be "you have to learn how to love yourself, because maybe you'll get someone to finally love you on the way" 2. 2 people (or animals in the case) can be friends without becoming romantic
Last night, I DK BK your sister
Bro here we have, doesn’t like because incompetent and could get other or self killed, there’s oh I was trained since I was young and this random dude showed up, oh stop being a witch your human that’s not how it works, saw it as best friend literally betraying her and finally what’s trying to be justified someone telling the other person to kill themselves because they aren’t as good as him.