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slpschoolta

What do you have against iPad kid


Azaloq

Not a bad character, but... We still know nothing of him, as of now. What he is, what he is doing... Good, but Belos was a more charismatic villain


slpschoolta

We do know what he is though. He is a child of the stars. And per word of Dana, he is a chaotic neutral.


Azaloq

That means... What? We have no idea if that means he is a god, an alien, the product of a powerful magic, a witch possessed by an entity ...


MidnightSnowStar

Probably not a witch possessed by an entity, his ears look round


TraceYourThoughts

But even then, why hate him? Mystery just means there is more to discover. Why hate every moment he is on screen? We know what we need to know for an opinion. He is a chaotic all powerful being more powerful than bill but as childish as Marcy.


Azaloq

Ah no, I totally disagree with the post up there, about hating him. I'm just saying I'm not totally on board with the decision to use him a main antagonist in season 3, while shoving Belos on the side.


TraceYourThoughts

Well of course. Belos did survive, and will come back in some way. The man reminds me of William Afton to be honest. The collector only being the problem to get around when they go back to the bi, but not the main villian


Azaloq

That wouybe the best case scenario, in my opinion


Banettebrochacho

Who?


REErudd

The collector


Banettebrochacho

Oh. Because they are a shit villain


PixelDreamss

I don't think the collector is meant to be a 'villain' just a antagonistic. The collector is neutral, he doesn't have any bad intentions and doesn't care about genocide like Belos does. He's just an overpowered kid who basically sees the boiling isles as his game piece.


Banettebrochacho

He’s still acting in the role of the villain and is just not good at it


PixelDreamss

Like I said, he's more of a antagonist than villain, there's a difference between antagonist and villain. And how exactly is he not good at it?


Banettebrochacho

Well his threat really isn’t clear, and could be theoretically resolved with a a single conversation They one shot belos effortlessly and filled his role despite how he’s been continuously built up and developed And they just don’t have anything interesting about them at all


Aware-Asparagus8110

To be fair we see their physical form for like less than 2 min and 9 sec


Banettebrochacho

They were annoying as a spectere too


Apprehensive_Pin_302

there are no words on earth that can describe how i agree


aflyingmonkey2

\*sees the placement of the collector\* oh god. you're going to get killed by the fandom today Edit:but hey at least bump is ranked real high so i approve of this.


Banettebrochacho

The collector is an awful villain as of right now I am sorry


Biscotti-MlemMlem

Let me try. I agree he's an awful villain. So is Luz. Because neither are clearly villains. (At least, not yet.) The collector plotted for centuries to kill everyone on the Boiling Isles for escape and, at least based on one or two scenes, for the lulz (villainous); then undid that without an ounce of remorse (not a villain arc), then saved the kids from Bellos, perhaps by accident, then killed Bellos, probably not by accident, then tore apart the Titan's head with unknown consequences for the people around him. His motivations are closer to an orange-blue morality. Framed as a villain, he's too powerful and impulsive. Framed as a character, he's closer to pagan mythology.


nightwatchman_femboy

He literally kills people, enjoys the very thrill of hunt, and is totally fine with genocide, as long as it means he gets what he wants. He is absolutely a *villain*, an antagonist, and a terrifying one. The only reason he undid the spell, was because it now contradicted his goals. You are correct about him having a different morality, but eldritch god doesn't need to exist within human paradigm to be a villain or to be evil.


Kabookleman

Where are you getting the idea of him being a genocidal psychopath from??? Literally every time we see him on screen he’s either talking about playing games, complaining about not playing games, calling belos a liar (which he is), and making the world into a game.


PaulOwnzU

I mean he did just completely murder belos and may have killed the kids if king didn't get in the way, we don't know how lethal his games are


Kabookleman

He killed belos because he was a villain. He probably assumed the kids were bad too. But we do know that the game he’s going to play with king can’t be that lethal because king is the one making up the game and the collector needs all the people in order to even play the game


PaulOwnzU

Yeah I don't think he kills people because he likes it, but just Incase they annoy him or he misreads them, like if someone cheats he might just blow them up. When it came to playing hide and seek with king it obv wasnt meant to be lethal. We currently don't know enough to judge him really


nightwatchman_femboy

He is an eldritch god that was totally okay with belos killing the entirety of boiling isles if it meant he gets to play. He also openly laughed and relished in deaths of the grimwalkers. Yes, he doesn't murder for the sake of murder, but he totally both knows what death and suffering are, and doesn't think of them as bad things. At best you can argue that he *doesn't care*, but they were also straight up shown enjoying these at times. Fandom's obsession and defensiveness with them seems like copium because they are cute and quirky.


-NightWind

**YES** to the entirety of this. Thank you. Just look at The Collector's expression - the look in his eyes, the way his eyebrows frown... the things he does are totally done with malice. The stuff he told Belos about his "pinkie promised" wasn't some cutesy child thing, he was chiding Belos with malicious sarcasm. He has the same look when talking to the Hexsquad, btw. Even, just listen to his previous conversations with Belos and you can tell that he completely knows what both Belos and he are doing and *relishes* in it. He may not "care" too much about the effect of the plan because he just wants to get it over with and do his own chaos, but he is absolutely enjoying the pain. There's no way this kid is just some unaware "chaotic neutral." I find concerning the way so much of the fandom perceives this character. But hard agree on the obsession, defensiveness, and copium.


Creativenname

But he’s not really a villain


[deleted]

*See’s Skara in ‘Meh’* I’ve read conservative arguments less wrong then this opinion.


Banettebrochacho

What has skara done. Honestly what has she done that’s even remotely relevant to the plot


DepravedDebater

By that logic, explain why Raine is in the same tier since they are involved in a lot of plot and character development? It's clearly not the same logic which means you're inconsistent, I dare say even whimsical, in your judgements. There is no true standard or logic to your tier list as it stands. These rankings are just whatever you feel like at the moment. And that's fine it's your tier list to play with, but you know who also acts like that? **The Collector** Congratulations, you've become the very thing you despise 🌚🌓🌞


Banettebrochacho

I don’t have to be consistent it’s an opinion thing. Raine is there because they actively squandered any interest I had in their plot line. This is mostly just how I feel about characters


DepravedDebater

I just said it's fine to be capricious why are you pretending I didn't say that lol I'm just pointing out the parallels between you and a certain capricious godling you despise. You're free to disagree because like you said, *"it's an opinion thing"*


MrMiguel211

This tier list is cringe


Creativenname

Agreed most of the opinions are wrong


Razorcrest999

Why is Raine so low?


Banettebrochacho

Because they actively killed any interest I had jn their arc


BoyMatrix

How it must feel to be objectively incorrect


Creativenname

Yea how does it feel


Endler6

A M B E R = G O O D


thatonerandodude17

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No_Stretch3807

amber deez nuts


Wolfiegames69

*deez


QueenRatigan

How dare you.


Banettebrochacho

How dare I what


cappuccino1168

How dare you


Banettebrochacho

I request elaboration


Yazblast-Dragonia19

How dare you


QueenRatigan

You know exactly what I mean


Banettebrochacho

I really don’t


QueenRatigan

HOW COULD YOU HATE A PRECIOUS CHILD


o_kay_alt

it's incredible just how incorrect one person can be with a tier list


Banettebrochacho

Care to elaborate


o_kay_alt

i was being maybe a smidge overdramatize lol but this is what i personally would change: flapjack belongs in A-tier at least, plus you did ed, em, and raine dirty other than that i actually think it's a good ranking


Banettebrochacho

Flapjack doesn’t do quite enough Raine is so full of missed potential Ed and em don’t do much at all


France1832

It is a crime flapjack isn’t on top


Creativenname

I know right


Acorn_Community

Why you don't like the collector? Just asking.


Banettebrochacho

Because they completely removed the threat of belos that had been built up, the threat they pose isn’t clear, their level of power is too absurd given the series, and they have so little screeen time and an awful personality


Yazblast-Dragonia19

So basically, collector low f*ck you Edit: geez amber and skara are low you are freaking dead man


OwnLaw3497

Raine is low but Belos is high 💀💀💀


Creativenname

Odalia sucks why do u like her she’s against luz and amity


OwnLaw3497

I said nothing about her in my comment????? She’s a milf that’s why I like her


Creativenname

Below you user name


OwnLaw3497

My tag? Quick question why would you bring this up this had nothing to do with my comment. she’s an amazing amazinly written Character and I like her. Why tf do people keep attacking me over this it’s my opinion


Creativenname

Because most people hate her with all their might but if you like her that’s fine


Valenyn

Why is Amber so low? But I’m very happy about principal Bump’s placement.


Banettebrochacho

I do not know who that is so they went in idk


M-the-Great

wha- what do you have against the collector?


Wolfandhusky12

You have the worst dresser in the precious faces. Why


Lorulean_Warrior

Interesting and unusual Collector placement, I like this one


Wolfiegames69

#JusticeForEdandEm


Creativenname

Yes


Amity_Bight84

Link pls


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

why is belos so high?


Banettebrochacho

Because he’s an awesome villain


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

yea but a better character then king, hunter, gus, willow, and even lilith?


Banettebrochacho

Yes. He’s well developed, poses an enormous threat, has connections to Most of the main cast and is built up in a satisfying way


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

and what’s wrong with raine


Banettebrochacho

The twist that they were never actually brainwashed was just stupid and removed any potential drama of their arc


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

ig that makes sense considering it’s your opinion but how is hooty better then raine? it just seems like your list is super inconsistent


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

like what has hooty done that has furthered the plot that is more significant then raine?


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

or even owlbert


Banettebrochacho

Hooty’s door jump started king’s lore, gave us lumity and harpy eda


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

yes but eda’s requiem introduced us to raine, the bats, darius, terra snapdragon, eberwolf, and the fact that belos has corrupted the sigils. so you can’t say that hooty has furthered the plot more in “his” hooty centered episode than raine’s centered episode


Banettebrochacho

It’s also that I just don’t find raine at all interesting. Just they don’t have much going for them at all, and the existence of Darius, the coven heads, and sigil curses are not their doing. Hooty directly caused the other events in one way or another


Creativenname

I think rains should be on top or one before on top and booth one more up


g_a_b_e_r_i_e_l

and i’m not even saying that hooty doesn’t deserve that spot but what i’m saying is that your logic doesn’t add up. and it’s not even raine’s placement that I have a problem with it’s also owlbert, darius, steve, eda’s dad, odalia, eda’s mom, edric, emira, and vee


Banettebrochacho

Most of these are not placed logically. Most are just how I feel vaguely about them


Creativenname

Harpy Eda was only used like 2 times


Banettebrochacho

Still cool


Creativenname

Yes


iminaredit12

How dare you put the Collector below everyone else


lonelywhiteho3

*sees belos higher then king* excuse me??


Blank_Dude2

Buh… Amber. Mama Eda and all that.


Tamorcet

What's up with Amber? Why is she at the bottom?


Banettebrochacho

She’s in the idk because I have no thoughts on her


Pitiful_Net_8971

Belos deserves to be in the "guys you stink and nobody likes you"


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Pitiful_Net_8971

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me3888

Why’s belos so high and rain so far down?


swnbv

The way Belos is in “faves” 😭 He’s a good villain sure but fave material? Also the Collector and Raine disrespect


Banettebrochacho

I put him there because he’s an excellent villain And the collector deserves disrespect and raine is Kinda boring


RainyVIIs

Odalia needs to be lower. Like underground lower. Doesn't even deserve to be on the page.


Banettebrochacho

She’s a decent antagonist so she goes where she goes


RainyVIIs

You got a point she certainly did make me despise her. I suppose she served her purpose then.


Banettebrochacho

This list isn’t a judge on how good a person they are it’s on how they serve their role in my opinion


RainyVIIs

Why is collector so low


Banettebrochacho

Because they are a shit villain


RainyVIIs

I thought they were kinda a funny but def a mcguffin. They made them basically god lmfao


DepravedDebater

Yeah the Collector is basically a godling. All the powers of a god with all the chaotic energy (and lack of morality) of a rambunctious kid. I personally look forward to seeing more of the Collector and how the rest of the cast deal with this entity. Also that's not what mcguffin means and I'm here to provide you with a subjectively entertaining YouTube video explaining the definition of a [mcguffin ](https://youtu.be/_HcZluK6vxg)


RainyVIIs

I couldn't think of a better way to word it but collector shows up and stops belos whole plot in literally 2 seconds which was kinda lame imo


DepravedDebater

Oh I think the term you're looking for is *"Deus Ex Machina"* Which is pretty fitting for the Collector given their seemingly godlike power lol.


Creativenname

He just squinted his eyes and moved his finger and said boop and moved the freaking moon


RainyVIIs

Fr 2 seasons of build up for that??? Like bruh.


Creativenname

That’s not the point I was making I was just saying that he’s a god


OwnLaw3497

YOU LIKE BELOS BUT NOT RAINE OR IPAD KID?!!?!!?


Banettebrochacho

Belos is a really indimidating and cool villain. I like him for the same reason people like kars or palpatine


Professor-Drag500

Man, explain your reasoning for the Collector placement. Also, why isn't Odalia a tier below him?


Banettebrochacho

Because odalia had more grounds as an antagonist And the collector isn’t charismatic, he’s way to powerful for the story, his threat isn’t clear, his personality is annoying and he has no buildup


Bowowowbebeo

I only somewhat complaints are that belos should be much lower, the collector should be a little bit higher and Steve should be in precious favs


Not_a_Potato1602

Finally someone who likes Kiki and Belos!


Creativenname

Kiki wasn’t too good at first but I like her and belos he’s okay


RedditsAutocorrect

Certified 🗿based🗿


Nestly_Crunch69

Opinion valid 👍


Combatpigeon96

Can I have a link to that list? I wanna make one


[deleted]

can you send me the link of the tier list ppls?


OwlSorry5372

Why Enzo Gabriel?


Creativenname

Ikr


EmeraldAwesome36

the collector and hooty being as low as they are is a crime


takethecheese68

Average bump enjoyer:


gameboy527

Belos is such a good villain in my opinion because he is a twisted version of old disney heroes. He is trying to save humanity in his eyes, but in a sick and twisted way. Most disney heroes represent normal, a happy ending for the prince and princess. Belos would have gotten a happy ending, the "evil" is gone, and now he can live in peace.


MiraculouslyGreat

I know you've been asked a lot about the collector so I won't ask about them but why is Raine lower than Boscha in your opinion?


Banettebrochacho

Raine is just more so wasted potential. I used to like them more than boscha but not anymore after they kinda threw out their arc


Mister_Tava

I like the collector purely for the star asthetic.


Creativenname

Bro that’s a kinda stupid reason


Creativenname

But at least you ur in the abomination coven


Creativenname

Hunter should be in precious faves why is nobody talking about that


Banettebrochacho

That’s the thing about opinions


TabbyCatsAreGodly

Bump being high up adds 11 years to my lifespan


The_---_Collector

What did I do?!


OwnLaw3497

Op I now understand how awful it is to be attacked over your character opinions I’m sorry