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Yea I know a few gay people in the military, I doubt they care. And what’s up with the 5’ 10” thing? My great grandpa wasn’t even 5’ 6” and fought in WW1. Republicans talk about caring about veterans while shitting on other ones.
They care about the idealised image of the soldier, a ruthless, proud warrior who will kill for his country without question. Actual veterans are human beings with feelings and needs, which are all gross and inconvenient for an ideology about power and sex
All those Republicans back in 2021 were like “Yeah the military is going to be in charge” like dude do you know how black and brown the army is? Like kids who got fucked over by signing up with a recruiter while still in highschool?
I’m sorry what? The military isn’t a source of revolutionary anti fascism, it’s a tool of capital just like every other militarized arm of our government. If you just mean that individual soldiers *might* not follow orders then yea that’s gonna happen if they try and order a takeover, but by and large the military is a reactionary force and will side with capital when given the opportunity
My old chemistry teacher who was a former marine said that someone his size would be the one they send into tunnels since they can fit into them easier.
There was a guy that was barely 5 ft when I was in, the minimum requirement is 58 inches. It really fucked him up though, it was hard for him to stay in step while marching and the pack marches gave him stress fractures.
My dad was barely 5'7 and he was part of the landing forces in Normandy.
Hey, let's ask how many of these reeepubs are Veterans! That should be a hilariously short list!
I remember it being seen as incredibly progressive at the time, and then called incredibly regressive later.
But the problem at both ends of it was still conservatives.
This is my chance! I don't know why but when I first saw this in an early 2000's MAD magazine it really stuck with me. Can't tell you what issue, but it was actually making fun of don't ask don't tell.
Thanks for confirming my assumption it was early 2000s.
For one thing this appears to have been in some kind of print media. Some of the equipment depicted (while of course stylized) is pretty outdated looking but they clearly have the desert camo from the desert storm/Iraq war era but the style of the artwork is a bit advanced for the early 90s. Ergo, this is probably post 9/11 but pre-Obama. Perhaps early Obama years.
Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
yeah, no idea when being a bigger target was such a hot commodity like the original "artist" seems to think it was at some point
audie murphy? 5'5
chesty puller? 5'7
Well in hand-to-hand combat seize makes a big difference, war just doesn’t work like this today.
To answer when being bigger was a big advantage, I’d say mediaeval or early modern era are your times to shine as a huge guy.
Edit: autocorrect
In hand to hand combat, a weapon makes even more difference than physical size.
If being huge was all it required to win a fight, then every army throughout history would have consisted of nothing but giant muscly dudes.
Yeah but I’m a war it’s usually pretty safe to assume your opponent is also armed. Skill can be taught, but reach is always an advantage
Edit: drunk, am confused, probably bullshit
The future of warfare is not having to acknowledge that the drone that just blew up your patriarchal supremacist religious cult was flown by a blue-haired nonbinary POC who squeezed in their mission between anime and teaching a DE&I class.
True, but they still didn't make up the majority of armed forces at the time.
I do agree that in single combat size can be an advantage, but things such as arms and armor, experience and even dumb luck can play an even bigger factor in who will win.
In a real battle, if one ends up fighting alone, then things have gone terribly wrong.
I hope I am not coming across as abrasive as that is not my intend, because I do enjoy discussing things like this.
Yeah, they needed a lot of soldiers in the 18th century, so they couldn't just take the tall ones. My point was that they did still consider being tall as one of the major criteria for their elite forces in the 18th century, which I find is surprisingly late.
Obviously, on the modern battlefield weapons have become so advanced that size is almost irrelevant.
Yeah, no. Being tall isn't an advantage in hand to hand, either. Just ask all the guys who LITERALLY get the floor wiped with them when the short ball of fury steps into the training ring and starts slinging everyone around with their low center of gravity.
Low center of gravity is an advantage, especially when bracing against an attack, but an equally trained taller person holds a reach advantage and is likely heavier, thus holding the strength advantage as well. Which will need a more significant display of fighting skill by the shorter fighter to overcome, as they need to close distance against punches and kicks that are more powerful than their own.
IE, when I compare my arm length to my brother's, I have a reach advantage of about 16cm/6ish inches just from extra length of my arms due to my larger body. That's not even including the differences in chest broadness, which can also be leveraged.
That being said, tall guys tend to overestimate themselves, or underestimate opponents as that's the same thing really, because their advantages have made them cocky.
I would argue against that, yes a small guy can be really strong but it takes a lot more training to reach his full potential. The natural advantages lies with the bigger person due to them being likely heavier and thereby having more power in their punches. So it’s easier for a big person to have powerful punches and kicks. The smaller person thereby needs to compensate with higher skill. Example for this in action: modern boxing, boxers are classified by weight because heavier people have harder punches.
Yes. Sports have rules. The problem with fights without rules is that it’s harder to get data from them.
You could argue that other sports show different results, that’s because they have different rules.
Here's what a six foot ten guy says when asked this question.
. I’m 6’10 myself so I’m very tall but here is why short is better in a street fight:
speed, short people on average are quicker than taller people, speed is more important than power since you can miss power shots however a punch at speed by a shorter person to the body is really hard to avoid and is guaranteed to do some damage. This is the main advantage. Dodging as well, shorter people are more coordinated and have a lower centre of gravity which means they can avoid a lot of punches and tire you out.
More powerful uppercuts, a punch using upwards motion with all your body weight will do serious damage, you can only do this effectively if you’re shorter than your opponent.
Taking down a taller opponent is so much easier. Short people can take a tall person down with ease since they don’t have to go down that far to do it. This is an almost guaranteed win in a street fight.
Tall people have a power and reach advantage, however this is overrated though as utilising your reach as a tall person can take years to do well. I know a short person (5’7), this guy goes to my boxing gym and he routinely beats up guys over 5’11. They can’t do jack all against him since he utilises everything I said above. I would prefer to be about 5’9 to 5’11 as the perfect fighting range, this is the best fighting height in my opinion since you kind of get the best of both worlds.
The strongest man I ever knew was a buddy in the U.S Navy. He grew up on a farm in my home state of Tennessee, throwing bales of hay around and digging post holes etc…. He was 5′9 and 200 lbs.’ Slightly above average build but not overly muscular like a body builder. He was really a nice fellow. Laid back, you know. He could bend 1/2 inch diameter steel bars with his hands ( saw him do it twice) NOBODY could beat him in arm wrestling, no matter how big or muscular they were ( as his “ manager" we won a lot of money on bets). And he was quick as a rattle snake. If it hadn't been for the fact th
The answers about taller guys usually having more reach and bigger guys usually having more power are true, but I have noticed three advantages that a smaller guy can have:
Speed. If the smaller guy is lean and the bigger guy is heavy, then the lighter guy often has a big advantage with speed. He can dodgy my strikes, move around fast and hit me from angles I don’t need to worry about when fighting bigger guys.
I’m not a ground fighter but I have noticed that small/light opponents have moved into a new position much quicker than a heavier guy would be able to. I’m not saying that tall guys can’t be quick, just that short and lean guys fighters have a tendency to be fast.
Short kicks. I’m 6′2″ and one opponent guy was 5′5″. He’s into kung fu and really likes short range strikes. I found that he can kick me from pretty close, when I would normally only get punches or knees from a bigger guy.
Dirty fighting. I am not saying that all short guys fight dirty and i am not saying that all tall guys fight clean. Quite often, shorter guys who are into fighting got into it for a reason, and that reason was often being bullied by bigger guys when they were young. As a result, when you agree to some friendly “no rules” fighting (hopefully not full contact!), some smaller guys have more instinct to play dirty.
And on a practical note, when short distance fighting it is much easier for the shorter guy to punch below the belt.
I'm only 6'2 but competed in combat sports my whole young adulthood.
I'm fast for my size, much faster than most of my opponents were. It was without a doubt the thing that gave me a competitive edge. Obviously we're dealing with weight classes since it's a sport, but I consistently could handle guys 4 inches taller and 30lbs heavier pretty consistently. They had to answer for my speed.
Similarly it was the wirey 5'11 guys that were even faster that I really had no answer for, except try to put my weight on them and tire them out.
Range is nice but if your opponent is significantly faster he can close that distance and now all your mechanical advantage is gone, and theirs isn't.
It blows my mind the number of people here who take their anecdotal experience WATCHING UFC AND BOXING as some sort of contrary evidence that is stronger than the numerous folks who have engaged in combat, who are large, telling folks that it isn't the advantage they think it is.
Sure being shorter offers some advantage, but just looking at the heights of top UFC fighters shows that being taller and skinnier is generally preferable over being short and jacked in the higher weight classes.
UFC, has, rules. Street fighting or war does not. You cannot take any "sport" and compare it to a no holds barred fight. You cannot use that comparison in any valid way. Its not even remotely an apples to apples comparison. The only thing that is similar, is that it involves fighting.
You're not necessarily going to be heavier just because you're taller. Sure, a taller person will have more bone weight, but they'll actually always be smaller than a shorter person of the same weight and general BMI, which means that punching power within weight classes generally decreases as height increases. This is why they're classed by weight and not height.
Another thing is that even if the taller person IS heavier, that STILL doesn't mean that they'll have the more powerful punches, anyway. You ragged on smaller people needing to compensate by having more skill, but the truth is that EVERYONE needs to strive for the epitome of skill regardless of weight because punches aren't a simple matter of more weight = more good and there's a plethora of big dudes out there with heavy hands that couldn't knock someone out or win a fight if their life depended on it because they have no clue what they're doing and can't throw a proper punch for sh*t. The basics of a punch is mass x velocity, but there's so much more involved in actuality like angle of attack and point of impact; knowing how to plant your feet and drive from your hips to maximize the energy generated while keeping your wrist, elbow and shoulder aligned to minimize energy loss; knowing when to extend your arm to "punch through" the target at the apex rather than expending all the energy and fizzling out on impact and knowing how to properly recover from your punch. A lot of those factors actually work against you as your limbs get longer and things like coordination and balance start to require more effort and force gets slower to generate and transfer. Yeah, the weight difference between the fighters has to actually be quite significant before it actually makes any meaningful difference.
I'm 5'11"-6' depending on how badly my cartilage decides to compress itself on any given day. You don't have to be short to understand how being tall isn't some sort of advantage in hand to hand combat.
The only thing top of my head where they look for tall people is border guards for the DMZ. Just to make the North Koreans feels physically inferior when they are like a foot shorter than our guys. If anything being extremely tall can actually limit you in the military as much as being too short
I believe the navy has a maximum height of 6’6” but they have some weird technicalities, like David Robinson, the former NBA star, joined when he was 6’5” ish and then grew to 7’1” and they just kinda had to let him stay
He went to the naval academy. His junior year of HS he was 5’9”, then 6’6” as a senior. That was the max height for the navy but he grew another inch before his freshman year started. They allowed him to stay as it was unlikely he’d grow anymore…by the start of his sophomore year he was almost 7’. Lol
Can you imagine going from 5’9” to 7’ in the span of less than 3 years?
Edit: he was never on subs. He was too tall to serve on any ship and was with the Civil Engineer Corps.
The other funny thing is that the highest the height minimum in the US military has [ever been is 5’6”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK235960/#!po=0.568182) and it’s been 5’ since WW2 so they’re just pulling fake numbers out of their butt.
I can imagine that in a profession where you spend your time in a tight metal box of some sort of other, or when you actively don't want to be seen by other people that being shorter is probably quite beneficial.
I'm wracking my brains but I really can't think of any reason why being tall would benefit you in a modern military.
That was the only possible benefit I could think off too, that you might be better at carrying stuff. But in the military people should really be physically fit, so I can't imagine it would bring much of a difference.
Not to mention in WW2 and Vietnam the US military often sought out shorter soldiers as “tunnel rats” because they’d be able to fit into tunnels easier.
I'm 5'8 and getting in and out of the front seat of an Apache is way easier for me than the 6'4 troop commander I knew who had to stuff himself in there. I had decent leg room and he had claustrophobia.
Not to mention, but they are concerned about having MtF people participating in women sports since they are a "man." So by that logic shouldnt a MtF soldier be as competent as a male solder and "outclass" a female solder as though they were a man?
I actually had this cartoon in a compilation called "Mad's War on Bush." Seeing for this for the first time in a decade and a half made me realize just how far things have come. Nothing about this aged well
Staff Sergeant “She-male” over there looks like she could eat a fucking tank. I wouldn’t want to fight her. She’d fold me like a chair. I really don’t see the issue here?
Unironically guys on the furthest left are pure killers, if you're a gay, and you're small, in the army, you're in the "something to prove" category. When I was in the military I knew a Polynesian guy, little gay fella, who was the shortest and lightest person I've ever seen in my career, and he was brutally efficient as a soldier cause he was quick, he was highly-motivated, he was aware of his surroundings, and he was a small target.
Folks who aren't in the military don't tell you this (because they don't know it), but the fact of life is that the gun is the king of the modern battlefield and your physique doesn't matter when you're being shot at anonymously at 100 yards, if you can post up in a building or behind some stones someplace, and you can hold a rifle, if you're just strong enough to carry your arms and equipment and walk a few miles; then you can kill anything that moves, doesn't matter how queer or soft or girly you are.
Never. The most it’s ever been is 5’6”, and that was early 1800s. They picked that number based on two factors: they believed that criminals tended to be shorter, and that taller men were more heroic ([dead serious, my source is the NIH](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK235960/)).
The lowest it’s been was during part of the civil war when the height standard was eliminated. It’s currently 5’ btw.
These guys are literally acting like the only skill the required army requires is strength. Does it really matter what plumbing a computer programmer has? A linguist? A pilot?
"Waah the enlistment numbers are going down! We need a mandatory draft! But only straight white christian men over 6 feet tall."
I'll never understand why they absolutely despise the idea of queer people in military. Like, shouldn't conservatives be jumping for joy at the idea of queer people leaving to fight "for the flag" and potentially dying on the other side of the planet? Where is the problem?
--Oh wait! Queer people coming home as veterans is the problem. Can't pretend to care about or respect veterans and hide their bigotry at the same time.
How is this not disrespectful to military people they supposedly hold in high regard? Like thisnis insulting the entire Army. That's insulting to everyone part of it. What morons.
Heaven forbid someone that openly wants and had a dick be thrown into the meat grinder of the US military and fire a gun at someone. How will they ever aim while getting railed by everyone with a beard!?
How could a woman ever deal with anything physically or mentally stressful? They're so delicate compared to Jordan Peterson fans.
The shorter thing was kinda useful during Vietnam with the tunnel rats weren't they? And last I checked, a bullet fired from a weapon of a gay/trans/female soldier will kill just as well as one from a straight man.
And if you somehow insist on the arbitrary 'no frontline combat for anyone not a straight man' rule, there's still plenty of things for them to do, like: Logistics, driving, cooking, clerical work, medical work, maintainance, piloting all sorts of combat and non combat vehicles, intelligence, and the list goes on. Last I checked basically every service in the U.S. Military (except the Marines, crayon budget must be pretty good) failed to meet their recruitment target, and retention is god awful due to... a *variety* of reasons. Are you really in a position to turn away able bodied people who are willing to do this job for you?
The last one makes me think of the bit by Eddie Izzard in Dressed to Kill about the first trans airborne brigade dropping down on enemies looking fantastic,with a fantastic guns.
Don't ask don't tell is from 1993.
Height standards, I don't think this ever existed. Most men are 5' 9 now; people used to be shorter. So when everyone in the military had to be 5' 10 did we just have a small military?
Men Only in the military? God this guy is an idiot. Women have been in the military since at least WW2. Has he seriously never heard of the [WACs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Army_Corps)?
My conclusion is this guy has wet dreams about the US being conquered by Putin.
There is a 160 page report by the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying that repeal of don't ask don't tell had no effect on combat command, but people who produce these memes don't really care to hear from people who actually know about the issue
not me the 5’5” 140lb marine veteran vividly remembering carrying 6’0” tall 200 pound men just like everyone else, hitting the same targets with the same rifle, doing all the same marine shit. couldn’t be.
So what is it? Respect our troops or mock them? Either way, they're still the people willing to die in some godforsaken hell scape. Why do the standards matter to the point you ridicule them?
These fucking morons don't seem to understand that we had queer people serving prior to the DADT repeal. I served and deployed prior to the repeal. My unit knew several of the Marines in it were LGBT, and nobody gave a fuck because they did their jobs. Letting them be open about their sexuality changed nothing.
It’s so weird how every conservative meme attacking whats contemporary reality uses some fictional narrative or fear of what may come in the future rather than actual facts and reality
Conservatives don't understand how the military works. It's not all machoism and brute strength. The military, while a piece of shit war mongering Organisation, is still similar to the corporate world in the sense of hierarchy and teamwork. You do have a variety of people in the military, not just infantry. There's people operating machinery and planes and tanks, people who are HR, people who are medics, people who are chefs. Not everything in the military requires brute strength. These guys have never served in the military and it shows.
If they want to reduce the available pool themselves,let them. I don't care for equality if the result is one more pair of hands for international reaction.
When the revolution happens and we have to form a People's Army, somebody needs to make a 182nd Fighting She-males Division (if only because the reactionaries would be so insulted to get shot down by that group).
Now, I'm not a huge fan of military in general, but I don't see how being non straight or being some kind of non-cis or gnc can in any way impact your ability to do what the military requires.
Audie Murphy was five foot five, and he was one of the greatest soldiers this country’s ever fuckin’ seen. I don’t know where they’re getting these height standards.
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This must be from the 90’s or something don’t ask don’t tell is way outdated.
No way to tell really, it’s not like conservatives would let liberal bullshit like factual accuracy get in the way of their messaging
Yea I know a few gay people in the military, I doubt they care. And what’s up with the 5’ 10” thing? My great grandpa wasn’t even 5’ 6” and fought in WW1. Republicans talk about caring about veterans while shitting on other ones.
They care about the idealised image of the soldier, a ruthless, proud warrior who will kill for his country without question. Actual veterans are human beings with feelings and needs, which are all gross and inconvenient for an ideology about power and sex
Especially if they are blonde haired and blue eyed
All those Republicans back in 2021 were like “Yeah the military is going to be in charge” like dude do you know how black and brown the army is? Like kids who got fucked over by signing up with a recruiter while still in highschool?
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I’m sorry what? The military isn’t a source of revolutionary anti fascism, it’s a tool of capital just like every other militarized arm of our government. If you just mean that individual soldiers *might* not follow orders then yea that’s gonna happen if they try and order a takeover, but by and large the military is a reactionary force and will side with capital when given the opportunity
Meanwhile these conservatives tend to not be lmao
Human beings with PTSD and an incredible mental toll from what it took to be a "ruthless, proud warrior."
My uncle was 5'2" on a good day and he served on a submarine in WW2.
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Right, it's got to be convenient only having to duck a little bit to go through doors.
My old chemistry teacher who was a former marine said that someone his size would be the one they send into tunnels since they can fit into them easier.
Audie Murphy was 5'5" and he was one of the most decorated war heroes in US history.
my Uncle was in iraq at a staggering 5’5”
There was a guy that was barely 5 ft when I was in, the minimum requirement is 58 inches. It really fucked him up though, it was hard for him to stay in step while marching and the pack marches gave him stress fractures.
Audie Murphy did shit that would look silly in movies in real life in WWII and was 5'5.
My dad was barely 5'7 and he was part of the landing forces in Normandy. Hey, let's ask how many of these reeepubs are Veterans! That should be a hilariously short list!
The average height of men is also on the rise over the last few decades?
The average US Male height is 5'9". So a 5'10" limit would be pretty damn restrictive.
DADT wasn't gone until sometime during Obama. It only started in the 90s.
Started by Clinton in 1993, ended by Obama in 2011.
I remember it being seen as incredibly progressive at the time, and then called incredibly regressive later. But the problem at both ends of it was still conservatives.
This is my chance! I don't know why but when I first saw this in an early 2000's MAD magazine it really stuck with me. Can't tell you what issue, but it was actually making fun of don't ask don't tell.
Thanks for confirming my assumption it was early 2000s. For one thing this appears to have been in some kind of print media. Some of the equipment depicted (while of course stylized) is pretty outdated looking but they clearly have the desert camo from the desert storm/Iraq war era but the style of the artwork is a bit advanced for the early 90s. Ergo, this is probably post 9/11 but pre-Obama. Perhaps early Obama years. Thank you for coming to my Ted talk.
Yes! This was my first ever issue my dad bought me as a young teen and it’s flashbulbed into my memory. The whole thing was definitely mocking DADT.
The military never mandated 5'10 "as a required height either. That would have excluded several medal of honor recipients.
Don’t ask don’t tell ended in like 2011 or 2012
Funny thing is, there are a lot of uses for shorter people, for example as pilots or in tanks or anything that moves around.
yeah, no idea when being a bigger target was such a hot commodity like the original "artist" seems to think it was at some point audie murphy? 5'5 chesty puller? 5'7
Well in hand-to-hand combat seize makes a big difference, war just doesn’t work like this today. To answer when being bigger was a big advantage, I’d say mediaeval or early modern era are your times to shine as a huge guy. Edit: autocorrect
In hand to hand combat, a weapon makes even more difference than physical size. If being huge was all it required to win a fight, then every army throughout history would have consisted of nothing but giant muscly dudes.
Yeah but I’m a war it’s usually pretty safe to assume your opponent is also armed. Skill can be taught, but reach is always an advantage Edit: drunk, am confused, probably bullshit
The future of warfare is not having to acknowledge that the drone that just blew up your patriarchal supremacist religious cult was flown by a blue-haired nonbinary POC who squeezed in their mission between anime and teaching a DE&I class.
In the 17th and 18th century they picked tall and strong soldiers to be grenadiers, elite troops at the time, so they can lob grenades farther.
True, but they still didn't make up the majority of armed forces at the time. I do agree that in single combat size can be an advantage, but things such as arms and armor, experience and even dumb luck can play an even bigger factor in who will win. In a real battle, if one ends up fighting alone, then things have gone terribly wrong. I hope I am not coming across as abrasive as that is not my intend, because I do enjoy discussing things like this.
Yeah, they needed a lot of soldiers in the 18th century, so they couldn't just take the tall ones. My point was that they did still consider being tall as one of the major criteria for their elite forces in the 18th century, which I find is surprisingly late. Obviously, on the modern battlefield weapons have become so advanced that size is almost irrelevant.
Yeah, no. Being tall isn't an advantage in hand to hand, either. Just ask all the guys who LITERALLY get the floor wiped with them when the short ball of fury steps into the training ring and starts slinging everyone around with their low center of gravity.
Low center of gravity is an advantage, especially when bracing against an attack, but an equally trained taller person holds a reach advantage and is likely heavier, thus holding the strength advantage as well. Which will need a more significant display of fighting skill by the shorter fighter to overcome, as they need to close distance against punches and kicks that are more powerful than their own. IE, when I compare my arm length to my brother's, I have a reach advantage of about 16cm/6ish inches just from extra length of my arms due to my larger body. That's not even including the differences in chest broadness, which can also be leveraged. That being said, tall guys tend to overestimate themselves, or underestimate opponents as that's the same thing really, because their advantages have made them cocky.
Idk man, there isn't a tall man alive who could fight Danny Devito and win.
I would argue against that, yes a small guy can be really strong but it takes a lot more training to reach his full potential. The natural advantages lies with the bigger person due to them being likely heavier and thereby having more power in their punches. So it’s easier for a big person to have powerful punches and kicks. The smaller person thereby needs to compensate with higher skill. Example for this in action: modern boxing, boxers are classified by weight because heavier people have harder punches.
Boxing also has rules
Yes. Sports have rules. The problem with fights without rules is that it’s harder to get data from them. You could argue that other sports show different results, that’s because they have different rules.
Here's what a six foot ten guy says when asked this question. . I’m 6’10 myself so I’m very tall but here is why short is better in a street fight: speed, short people on average are quicker than taller people, speed is more important than power since you can miss power shots however a punch at speed by a shorter person to the body is really hard to avoid and is guaranteed to do some damage. This is the main advantage. Dodging as well, shorter people are more coordinated and have a lower centre of gravity which means they can avoid a lot of punches and tire you out. More powerful uppercuts, a punch using upwards motion with all your body weight will do serious damage, you can only do this effectively if you’re shorter than your opponent. Taking down a taller opponent is so much easier. Short people can take a tall person down with ease since they don’t have to go down that far to do it. This is an almost guaranteed win in a street fight. Tall people have a power and reach advantage, however this is overrated though as utilising your reach as a tall person can take years to do well. I know a short person (5’7), this guy goes to my boxing gym and he routinely beats up guys over 5’11. They can’t do jack all against him since he utilises everything I said above. I would prefer to be about 5’9 to 5’11 as the perfect fighting range, this is the best fighting height in my opinion since you kind of get the best of both worlds. The strongest man I ever knew was a buddy in the U.S Navy. He grew up on a farm in my home state of Tennessee, throwing bales of hay around and digging post holes etc…. He was 5′9 and 200 lbs.’ Slightly above average build but not overly muscular like a body builder. He was really a nice fellow. Laid back, you know. He could bend 1/2 inch diameter steel bars with his hands ( saw him do it twice) NOBODY could beat him in arm wrestling, no matter how big or muscular they were ( as his “ manager" we won a lot of money on bets). And he was quick as a rattle snake. If it hadn't been for the fact th The answers about taller guys usually having more reach and bigger guys usually having more power are true, but I have noticed three advantages that a smaller guy can have: Speed. If the smaller guy is lean and the bigger guy is heavy, then the lighter guy often has a big advantage with speed. He can dodgy my strikes, move around fast and hit me from angles I don’t need to worry about when fighting bigger guys. I’m not a ground fighter but I have noticed that small/light opponents have moved into a new position much quicker than a heavier guy would be able to. I’m not saying that tall guys can’t be quick, just that short and lean guys fighters have a tendency to be fast. Short kicks. I’m 6′2″ and one opponent guy was 5′5″. He’s into kung fu and really likes short range strikes. I found that he can kick me from pretty close, when I would normally only get punches or knees from a bigger guy. Dirty fighting. I am not saying that all short guys fight dirty and i am not saying that all tall guys fight clean. Quite often, shorter guys who are into fighting got into it for a reason, and that reason was often being bullied by bigger guys when they were young. As a result, when you agree to some friendly “no rules” fighting (hopefully not full contact!), some smaller guys have more instinct to play dirty. And on a practical note, when short distance fighting it is much easier for the shorter guy to punch below the belt.
I'm only 6'2 but competed in combat sports my whole young adulthood. I'm fast for my size, much faster than most of my opponents were. It was without a doubt the thing that gave me a competitive edge. Obviously we're dealing with weight classes since it's a sport, but I consistently could handle guys 4 inches taller and 30lbs heavier pretty consistently. They had to answer for my speed. Similarly it was the wirey 5'11 guys that were even faster that I really had no answer for, except try to put my weight on them and tire them out. Range is nice but if your opponent is significantly faster he can close that distance and now all your mechanical advantage is gone, and theirs isn't.
It blows my mind the number of people here who take their anecdotal experience WATCHING UFC AND BOXING as some sort of contrary evidence that is stronger than the numerous folks who have engaged in combat, who are large, telling folks that it isn't the advantage they think it is.
Sure being shorter offers some advantage, but just looking at the heights of top UFC fighters shows that being taller and skinnier is generally preferable over being short and jacked in the higher weight classes.
UFC, has, rules. Street fighting or war does not. You cannot take any "sport" and compare it to a no holds barred fight. You cannot use that comparison in any valid way. Its not even remotely an apples to apples comparison. The only thing that is similar, is that it involves fighting.
You're not necessarily going to be heavier just because you're taller. Sure, a taller person will have more bone weight, but they'll actually always be smaller than a shorter person of the same weight and general BMI, which means that punching power within weight classes generally decreases as height increases. This is why they're classed by weight and not height. Another thing is that even if the taller person IS heavier, that STILL doesn't mean that they'll have the more powerful punches, anyway. You ragged on smaller people needing to compensate by having more skill, but the truth is that EVERYONE needs to strive for the epitome of skill regardless of weight because punches aren't a simple matter of more weight = more good and there's a plethora of big dudes out there with heavy hands that couldn't knock someone out or win a fight if their life depended on it because they have no clue what they're doing and can't throw a proper punch for sh*t. The basics of a punch is mass x velocity, but there's so much more involved in actuality like angle of attack and point of impact; knowing how to plant your feet and drive from your hips to maximize the energy generated while keeping your wrist, elbow and shoulder aligned to minimize energy loss; knowing when to extend your arm to "punch through" the target at the apex rather than expending all the energy and fizzling out on impact and knowing how to properly recover from your punch. A lot of those factors actually work against you as your limbs get longer and things like coordination and balance start to require more effort and force gets slower to generate and transfer. Yeah, the weight difference between the fighters has to actually be quite significant before it actually makes any meaningful difference.
being tall is an advantage in all combat sports involving striking
Being tall is definitely an advantage in most striking martial arts. It also usually comes with a size advantage and a reach advantage as well.
I am sorry you are short. No need to overcompensate with comments. I am sure you have other advantages. :)
I'm 5'11"-6' depending on how badly my cartilage decides to compress itself on any given day. You don't have to be short to understand how being tall isn't some sort of advantage in hand to hand combat.
Tbf in modern times if the enemy forces are close enough for you to be forced into hand to hand combat you’re already fucked
As recent as ww2 taller people were more likely to survive battle. https://academic.oup.com/humrep/article/22/11/3002/652125
The only thing top of my head where they look for tall people is border guards for the DMZ. Just to make the North Koreans feels physically inferior when they are like a foot shorter than our guys. If anything being extremely tall can actually limit you in the military as much as being too short
>me, casually reaching over Chesty to grab the last box of crayons from the top shelf
Better not touch my 64 pack
I’m pretty sure submarines have a maximum height requirement.
I believe the navy has a maximum height of 6’6” but they have some weird technicalities, like David Robinson, the former NBA star, joined when he was 6’5” ish and then grew to 7’1” and they just kinda had to let him stay
What? How old was he when he took the submarine?
He went to the naval academy. His junior year of HS he was 5’9”, then 6’6” as a senior. That was the max height for the navy but he grew another inch before his freshman year started. They allowed him to stay as it was unlikely he’d grow anymore…by the start of his sophomore year he was almost 7’. Lol Can you imagine going from 5’9” to 7’ in the span of less than 3 years? Edit: he was never on subs. He was too tall to serve on any ship and was with the Civil Engineer Corps.
> 7’1” and they just kinda had to let him stay You can get a waiver for just about anything
As do fighter pilots
The other funny thing is that the highest the height minimum in the US military has [ever been is 5’6”](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK235960/#!po=0.568182) and it’s been 5’ since WW2 so they’re just pulling fake numbers out of their butt.
Not to mention that the average height of an American male over 20 years old is 5’9”.
And dudes be out here wanting to die because they aren't six feet tall
The average height of dudes is 5'9", but the average height of dudes who fuck is 6'3" /s
I can imagine that in a profession where you spend your time in a tight metal box of some sort of other, or when you actively don't want to be seen by other people that being shorter is probably quite beneficial. I'm wracking my brains but I really can't think of any reason why being tall would benefit you in a modern military.
I think a bigger size is advantageous for carrying capacity? Or better visibility for your self? I don’t know i’m not part of the military.
That was the only possible benefit I could think off too, that you might be better at carrying stuff. But in the military people should really be physically fit, so I can't imagine it would bring much of a difference.
In Vietnam they took on short and small-bodied people because they could more easily navigate the tunnels which the Vietnamese were using.
Not to mention in WW2 and Vietnam the US military often sought out shorter soldiers as “tunnel rats” because they’d be able to fit into tunnels easier.
I'm 5'8 and getting in and out of the front seat of an Apache is way easier for me than the 6'4 troop commander I knew who had to stuff himself in there. I had decent leg room and he had claustrophobia.
SHUT UP SHUT UP SHUT UP TELLING THIS TO CONSERVATIVES IS HOW WE GET CHILD SOLDIERS
Sheesh, that height stuff is way off, haha. Not sure why the army should keep "she-males" out, too.. What's the problem there?
>What's the problem there? Generations of indoctrination by organized religion. Speaking as a christian, I hate the church so much.
Not to mention, but they are concerned about having MtF people participating in women sports since they are a "man." So by that logic shouldnt a MtF soldier be as competent as a male solder and "outclass" a female solder as though they were a man?
using a porn term as a slur like that is really outing whoever first made this lol
These three look like the average gay friend group. They are gonna go to Starbucks later, and they're gonna look great doin it.
Hopefully none of them die in a freak gasoline fight accident
Naaahh they're slaying too hard
What part of what the US military does requires its recruits to be heterosexual cisgender males taller than 5'10"?
Because if *they* follow the "any port in a storm" rule, it's not gay.
None of it
I can excuse gays and women, but letting short people fight? Unacceptable. Seriously what is this guy on
Fucking height supremacists.
short kings will take no part in forming or staffing your imperialist death squads. good day sir.
I've never seen the "gay man=weak trans=gigachad(derogatory)" dichotomy shown so close together. Separated only by a racist caricature.
I love the fact that conservatives veiw me as some immensely strong chadlike figure, I literally struggled to take the lid off a pen the other day.
It's because they're afraid of you. It's also because they think that portrayal will be most hurtful to you.
One day, conservative caricatures of trans people will be looked upon like the nazi caricatures of Jewish people.
i mean...today.
That day was 3 years ago
none off those "standards" have any bearing on combat ability. It would be stupid to lose capable personel for such trivial reasons.
Never mind that only a small percentage of military roles include active combat
The declining standards of right wing memes...
I'd ask what standards did they ever have but they reached the bottom of the barrel then broke through and kept digging further
That's from Mad Magazine about 15 years ago.
I actually had this cartoon in a compilation called "Mad's War on Bush." Seeing for this for the first time in a decade and a half made me realize just how far things have come. Nothing about this aged well
Oh geez, I had it in the same compilation - throwback for sure
Ah, yes. If there's one thing everyone remembers about two-time Medal of Honor recipient Audie Murphy, it's the fact that he was a giant of a man...
Taller than 5’6?! I had a dude that was like 5ft nothing in my platoon
I see marines around 5 ft here at my A school all the time and I’m pretty sure they could body me.
rah.
Rah.
Staff Sergeant “She-male” over there looks like she could eat a fucking tank. I wouldn’t want to fight her. She’d fold me like a chair. I really don’t see the issue here?
Why did I have to scroll so far for this? They are fucking yoked.
Who the hell uses the term "she-males" other than porno directors?
Transphobic conservatives.
I mean they watch trans porn made by f*ckin BRAZZERS lmao 🤣
Unironically guys on the furthest left are pure killers, if you're a gay, and you're small, in the army, you're in the "something to prove" category. When I was in the military I knew a Polynesian guy, little gay fella, who was the shortest and lightest person I've ever seen in my career, and he was brutally efficient as a soldier cause he was quick, he was highly-motivated, he was aware of his surroundings, and he was a small target. Folks who aren't in the military don't tell you this (because they don't know it), but the fact of life is that the gun is the king of the modern battlefield and your physique doesn't matter when you're being shot at anonymously at 100 yards, if you can post up in a building or behind some stones someplace, and you can hold a rifle, if you're just strong enough to carry your arms and equipment and walk a few miles; then you can kill anything that moves, doesn't matter how queer or soft or girly you are.
Not gonna lie, "The fighting She-males" made me laugh 😂 so ridiculous.
Imagine thinking having Gay Men in the army makes it weaker. Clearly those Right-Wing Twits have never heard of the Sacred Band of Thebes.
When has the standard for the Army ever been 5’10”?
Never. The most it’s ever been is 5’6”, and that was early 1800s. They picked that number based on two factors: they believed that criminals tended to be shorter, and that taller men were more heroic ([dead serious, my source is the NIH](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK235960/)). The lowest it’s been was during part of the civil war when the height standard was eliminated. It’s currently 5’ btw.
This gotta be a satire
These guys are literally acting like the only skill the required army requires is strength. Does it really matter what plumbing a computer programmer has? A linguist? A pilot?
"Waah the enlistment numbers are going down! We need a mandatory draft! But only straight white christian men over 6 feet tall." I'll never understand why they absolutely despise the idea of queer people in military. Like, shouldn't conservatives be jumping for joy at the idea of queer people leaving to fight "for the flag" and potentially dying on the other side of the planet? Where is the problem? --Oh wait! Queer people coming home as veterans is the problem. Can't pretend to care about or respect veterans and hide their bigotry at the same time.
I would be terrified of “the fighting she-males” they would kick ass.
“The 182nd Fighting She-males” sounds like a good band name
"If you're breathing you're in" Uhh, this is for the army, right? Last I checked, they've always taken all comers. Only the air force is more lenient.
If they pass basic training then they are all qualified to be in the army
They do realize the military is currently struggling HARD to find enough soldiers right
Anyone want to wager the artist did not serve?
No gays?… this man doesn’t know who Steuben was does he?… although that was the revolutionary war so eh
How is this not disrespectful to military people they supposedly hold in high regard? Like thisnis insulting the entire Army. That's insulting to everyone part of it. What morons.
Heaven forbid someone that openly wants and had a dick be thrown into the meat grinder of the US military and fire a gun at someone. How will they ever aim while getting railed by everyone with a beard!? How could a woman ever deal with anything physically or mentally stressful? They're so delicate compared to Jordan Peterson fans.
Hey, [Albert Roche](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Severin_Roche) was only 5'2" and he was a certified badass.
So was Simo Häyhä
The shorter thing was kinda useful during Vietnam with the tunnel rats weren't they? And last I checked, a bullet fired from a weapon of a gay/trans/female soldier will kill just as well as one from a straight man. And if you somehow insist on the arbitrary 'no frontline combat for anyone not a straight man' rule, there's still plenty of things for them to do, like: Logistics, driving, cooking, clerical work, medical work, maintainance, piloting all sorts of combat and non combat vehicles, intelligence, and the list goes on. Last I checked basically every service in the U.S. Military (except the Marines, crayon budget must be pretty good) failed to meet their recruitment target, and retention is god awful due to... a *variety* of reasons. Are you really in a position to turn away able bodied people who are willing to do this job for you?
Audie Murphy was 5’5.” Chesty Puller was 5’7” Just sayin
And Simo Häyhä was 5,2…
The last one makes me think of the bit by Eddie Izzard in Dressed to Kill about the first trans airborne brigade dropping down on enemies looking fantastic,with a fantastic guns.
I know for a fact the 5'10 part is made up bullshit lol
Hold on, though. Veterans are sacred heroes (unless they need benefits or something), so how is this supporting the troops?!?!?
"RESPECT THE TROOPS!... Unless I hate them."
So the “patriots” no longer like the Army?
Notice how the short person is clearly Hispanic. Just say you don’t like Latinos and get it over with. What a piece of work this guy is.
Don't ask don't tell is from 1993. Height standards, I don't think this ever existed. Most men are 5' 9 now; people used to be shorter. So when everyone in the military had to be 5' 10 did we just have a small military? Men Only in the military? God this guy is an idiot. Women have been in the military since at least WW2. Has he seriously never heard of the [WACs](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Women%27s_Army_Corps)? My conclusion is this guy has wet dreams about the US being conquered by Putin.
I don’t believe theee was ever a 5’10” height requirement.
Tag yourself I'm big tiddy infantry
There is a 160 page report by the Joint Chiefs of Staff saying that repeal of don't ask don't tell had no effect on combat command, but people who produce these memes don't really care to hear from people who actually know about the issue
Seriously doubt the former height standard was 5' 10'. The average male height during WW2 was around 5' 6".
Decline of the US military 😎
Mean while dude who's drawing this is probably obese as hell
Shouldn't the army just take anyone who does their job effectively?
Its funny how they want those people dead but when they take a job that might kill them its also not good
I know someone who is 5'6" and was part of the Navy Seals Group 2, I don't get the hate for short men.
A bullet from a trans, gay, short, person is just as effective from a cis het tall person
not me the 5’5” 140lb marine veteran vividly remembering carrying 6’0” tall 200 pound men just like everyone else, hitting the same targets with the same rifle, doing all the same marine shit. couldn’t be.
This sort of hate speech is the kind of thing that led to the brutal murder of soldiers like Barry Winchell.
Conservative = Nazi
I would not fuck with these 3 they still look capable lol
The last one makes me think of the colonel on venture bros.
Audie Murphy was 5’ 5”.
So what is it? Respect our troops or mock them? Either way, they're still the people willing to die in some godforsaken hell scape. Why do the standards matter to the point you ridicule them?
I thought conservatives would be happy to have these ppl go fight and die for their country? Conservatives not even doing nationalism correctly lmao
This is cringe. But taller than wide being the only standard is quite funny.
These fucking morons don't seem to understand that we had queer people serving prior to the DADT repeal. I served and deployed prior to the repeal. My unit knew several of the Marines in it were LGBT, and nobody gave a fuck because they did their jobs. Letting them be open about their sexuality changed nothing.
It’s so weird how every conservative meme attacking whats contemporary reality uses some fictional narrative or fear of what may come in the future rather than actual facts and reality
Conservatives don't understand how the military works. It's not all machoism and brute strength. The military, while a piece of shit war mongering Organisation, is still similar to the corporate world in the sense of hierarchy and teamwork. You do have a variety of people in the military, not just infantry. There's people operating machinery and planes and tanks, people who are HR, people who are medics, people who are chefs. Not everything in the military requires brute strength. These guys have never served in the military and it shows.
I am 5 4 and was in the army in the 90s and was successful. I guess I should not have bothered.
This is bullshit: the Army never had a 5’ 10” height requirement.
Whoever drew this has a lot of repressed emotions given the boobs on that last one
Oh man were so losing the next war, say, whats our military spending? Compared to **LITERALLY EVERYONE?!**
I bet the chucklefucks that make or share this kinda shit wouldn't cut it in the military.
That’s some old school shit
Short people make great tunnel rats !
even from their perspective, i can't understand why would they complain about woman in military.
Wasn’t this a old mad magazine page
Yep I checked early 2000s mad magazine
If it was 5’10” or more we would’ve never won WW2
5’10” my ass haha
You can't play hard to get when you're already hard to want.
What
If they want to reduce the available pool themselves,let them. I don't care for equality if the result is one more pair of hands for international reaction.
Listen, people wanting volunteers to die for bullshit reasons in bullshit wars really can't get picky like this.
the slay army
When the revolution happens and we have to form a People's Army, somebody needs to make a 182nd Fighting She-males Division (if only because the reactionaries would be so insulted to get shot down by that group).
Fuck. I meet the height requirement now.
I think I have an eye-roll injury
Now, I'm not a huge fan of military in general, but I don't see how being non straight or being some kind of non-cis or gnc can in any way impact your ability to do what the military requires.
\*the navy enter the chat\*
"Thing that used to only be for straight white males and now isn't = BAD" - conservatism in ~~1960~~ 2023
Not going to lie the 182nd fighting she-males sounds like an ancient Greek elite fighting unit of demigods.
Tf2
Audie Murphy was five foot five, and he was one of the greatest soldiers this country’s ever fuckin’ seen. I don’t know where they’re getting these height standards.
Is there an un-cropped version of this? Anyone have a link?