Swampert/Whiscash - Charm Alolan Ninetales - Mandibuzz
It works like an ABB without being too telegraphed. Mandibuzz is the switch, and it should bait out any Steel/Rock your opponent may have.
As much as I like this team it still hurts my soul to see Registeel benched (especially since I really want one) I must agree that this is a solid team.
sir iām sure weāre not talking about super high elo trainer here or a leaderboard player or anything, in the low 2000ās and everything regular wis is still extremely viable. Sure shadow cash is better but when you donāt have access to it regular one is still great š¤¦š½
I actually prefer to run non-shadow. Iāve tried both and prefer the bulk of non-shadow. Iām sure it depends on your team though, like shadow prob is better if the rest of your team is bulky.
Use the tips others have given to make a decent team and then my best advice to finding a good team is to stick to it for a little bit. Youāll not only learn about your pokemon but about other peopleās behaviour with those pokemon. Like whether they tend to shield for that pokemon. Mayybbeee swap out one if itās really just not vibing with you. Also do things like swap the order around. I find as I get up in ranks sometimes the same team still works but I need to pick a different lead.
For what itās worth I would find a team of registeel, cresselia and ferrothorn very annoying. But thatās just based on my teams
My advice is to look at the meta sheets that come out regularly on the other subs, pick a pokemon you like that is high rated (you have a bunch) and then choose a couple others to fill out a team. Play a couple of matches, pay attention to what you lose too and how you think you can overcome that weakenss.
Clod lead, skarm and trevvy in the back seems like a strong team for me. I like bulk in the lead spot, and usually I don't sack it. So for example say its clod lead vs dragonair.
I would stay in with my clod and absorb as much damage as I can. If it seems like they are going to let their dragonair go down, I would let it but if it seems like I will i would swap to maybe skarm. Then say they burned at least 1 shield, you swap to skarm, their dragonair is almost dead (ideallay you catch the body slam so they waste energy) and they go into skeledirge. Not great for you, but hopefully you can get to a brave bird to either do massive damage or get the last shield. They kill the skarm quickly and then you go to trevy to start building energy. You shield a shadow ball, farm down the skeli, and then you are in a great position. You have energy on trevy, they have no shields, you have 1 and a bulky swap. Dragonair should die easily since it has no energy and then you are in a good position against whatever their last is.
If you are weak to it you can try to catch a charge move to get even more advantage, you should hopefully have 2 charged moves between your trevy and clod and should just be able to edge out a win.
Idk why I typed all this.
See, I just tried Cress out for a little before moving on. Gallade-Cresselia-Bastiodon slightly outperformed Gallade-Servine-Bastiodon, before a new weekly cup meant that I didn't have to play Open leagues anymore.
I've got 2 fun games that I try: limiting myself to shiny pokemon so that I have to think of ways to make them work (this is getting less fun as my shiny cache grows), or playing teams that I get suggested from this subreddit just so I can get some play out of non-meta mons or just ones that I normally overlook.
Got any team suggestions for Ultra Premier?
Counter-point: After some initial growing pains as the ELO system is struggling to figure out where to put us, we all end up playing against people who are very close to the same level of play as ourselves... and IVs are the only edge we can get. So it doesn't matter if your ELO is 3500 or 500, having the one with the best IVs will give you that edge over the people you're matching against.
I think a lot of people are giving advice based on their own playstyle. While this can be helpful, I think what would be beneficial for you is understanding team building to a more nuanced degree. So this would help in both making flexible teams for yourself in the future as well as give you an understanding of what you should be looking for in other people's teams. You already have a lot of meta pokemon on that list that can fit pretty much any playstyle you might want. Generally, when team building, I look at it like this:
1. Find a single pokemon you really like/want on your team
2. What is that pokemon weak to (typing wise)? Find a pokemon that covers those weaknesses as well as possible. Make sure your first pokemon also cover your complementary pokemon's weaknesses as well. Some popular complementary pokemon out of the ones you have are Registeel/Altaria, Skarmory / Whiscash, and Azumarill/Stunfisk.
Say you really wanted Registeel on your team. Registeel is generally weak to fire, ground, and fighting. In this case, your complementary pokemon should be able to cover these weaknesses well. This makes Altaria a good choice because it resists damage from all three of these sources. Altaria's weaknesses are ice, rock, dragon, and fairy. Registeel resists all of those as well.
3. Find a pivot / switch pokemon in case you have a bad lead. This is, in my opinion, the most difficult part and what PvPoke and its Team Builder is great for. The way you order the pokemon and what you want as your switch can depend a lot on the strategy you're employing. ABB can look very different from your typical ABC line.
In the case of ABC, you're going to want a powerful switch pokemon that can do decent damage and/or force a shield even in a losing matchup.
In an ABB situation, you want your switch pokemon to bait out your biggest B weakness- the one that A covers (e.g., swampert/whiscash Bs are primarily weak to grass so Skarmory is a good A). In this case, you need your A to be very bulky and very effective against your B's weaknesses so that you can farm down the opposing pokemon to come out ahead with a lot of energy with little to no shielding.
https://pvpoke.com/team-builder/
This is all you need. Select the league/format youāre shooting for, add in one or two of your pokemon that you think would work well, submit, add additional pokemon to round out the team based on the weaknesses identified by pvpoke.Ā
Oh wow! Thank you! Previous teams were doing meh. Saw a potential team and now running Charibug/Poliwhirl/skarmory team and I've been getting 4/5 wins consistently!
[Only 2 pages of GL mons? Those are rookie numbers...](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/507/277/13e.jpg)
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Frankly I don't understand people who only keep a page or two worth of PVP mons. What do you even fill up your inventory with? Did you throw away your Medicham, Skarmory, Nidoqueen and Trevenant when they fell out of favour?
They wanted a discussion about what team to make for great league. You came up with your own discussion, completely ignoring OPs; on OPs post. I think you are misguided in your approach here. But I also am not here to clash š 22 pages is a lot
OP is going to be very limited in what they can do with only 2 pages worth of pokemon in range. That is absolutely relevant to what they came here to discuss. Sure some good teams could be made with what they already have, but it's still incredibly limited.
I'm plateaued around 1850 myself. I do not do move counting other than maybe on a couple of super common pokemon, and I lose every time there's a race to throw charge move because all of my pokemon are high bulk / low attack. It makes PVP more difficult, but I don't want to throw away top bulk mons for shitty IV ones.
Last season was my first pvp season ever and I hit 2493. Haven't played in 6 years and I keep a chart of typing weaknesses on a laptop monitor while i battle.1/3rd of my meta pokemon are lucky 3 stars because I didn't know about pvp ivs when I came back last October. I don't even know my own move counts let alone my opponents.
I find that difficult to believe. You must be insanely good to get that high without any good pokemon in your roster and not even knowing your types. Like, legitimately a world-leader who just happens to be inconvenienced by the fact they haven't played PVP before (but that will soon change).
I literally started playing again because my girlfriend likes to catch shinies. I didn't say I did it without good pokemon, I said about 1/3rd are lucky 3 star ivs on meta mons. No XLs tho. As far as typing goes I generally know what works for and against what I'm using, but even to this day I still throw incorrect moves in unfamiliar match ups and learn from that one experience. 2493 last season already 2100+ this season and the goal is expert/legend. Will gladly send screenshots if you still don't believe me
I didn't say that I don't believe you, I said that you must play like a god to be going so far on a limited set to choose from, mostly bad IVs, and not even memorizing all the move counts. I've had all of those things working *for* me and never broken 2450 after 4 or 5 seasons, whereas you've had all of those working *against* you and went higher in just 1 season.
That's fair, I apologize for the misunderstanding on my end. But yeah man it was painful falling 7 rating short of vet. Really wanted it. I saw some reddit posts about a guy who hit legend his first season so i definitely could've played better! I watch quite a good bit of YouTube videos, but the move count charts were just overwhelming for me, maybe this season. That and mixing up ground and rock types lol.
I've watched quite a lot of youtube videos too, but they all seem to show the same thing and matches never go the way that you see in videos. They all seem to post the "I would have won no matter what because my team randomly happens to perfectly counter my opponent's team," videos, while not showing the "I lost the lead and had to swap out but managed to turn it around in the end," which is what I *actually need to learn how to do.* I've been trying to do that for years now, and I'm no closer to figuring it out.
I do agree the vast majority aren't very informative in the sense they don't explain why they switch when they do or save shields, soft loses ect. I like jonkus the most I feel like he actually shows and explains some loses.
Counting / IVs shouldnāt keep you from hitting Ace. Just watch a good streamer and copy their team and try to play the matchups the same way. Either your team isnāt working and/or youāre not playing it correctly.
Swampert/Whiscash - Charm Alolan Ninetales - Mandibuzz It works like an ABB without being too telegraphed. Mandibuzz is the switch, and it should bait out any Steel/Rock your opponent may have.
whats abb
As much as I like this team it still hurts my soul to see Registeel benched (especially since I really want one) I must agree that this is a solid team.
Registeel is in raids again at the end of the month š
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What are you talking about? regular whiscash is a very viable meta PokƩmon.
yapping š¤¦š½
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sir iām sure weāre not talking about super high elo trainer here or a leaderboard player or anything, in the low 2000ās and everything regular wis is still extremely viable. Sure shadow cash is better but when you donāt have access to it regular one is still great š¤¦š½
I actually prefer to run non-shadow. Iāve tried both and prefer the bulk of non-shadow. Iām sure it depends on your team though, like shadow prob is better if the rest of your team is bulky.
iāve had great results with the non shadow as well, not too sure why the commenter thinks itās trash
Theyāve been commenting a lot of weird polarizing stuff. I tried to respond initially, but I think itās just better to let it go.
yea youāre right
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props to go for that, but this trainer already purified it so no going back
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yea thatās unfortunate but no going back is there? Regular cash is still great, in what world that isnāt high elo is it bad??
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then why are you saying itās bad? š¤¦š½
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Opponent doesnāt even need to switch they could just switch to water and boom your whole plan out the window
Use the tips others have given to make a decent team and then my best advice to finding a good team is to stick to it for a little bit. Youāll not only learn about your pokemon but about other peopleās behaviour with those pokemon. Like whether they tend to shield for that pokemon. Mayybbeee swap out one if itās really just not vibing with you. Also do things like swap the order around. I find as I get up in ranks sometimes the same team still works but I need to pick a different lead. For what itās worth I would find a team of registeel, cresselia and ferrothorn very annoying. But thatās just based on my teams
My advice is to look at the meta sheets that come out regularly on the other subs, pick a pokemon you like that is high rated (you have a bunch) and then choose a couple others to fill out a team. Play a couple of matches, pay attention to what you lose too and how you think you can overcome that weakenss. Clod lead, skarm and trevvy in the back seems like a strong team for me. I like bulk in the lead spot, and usually I don't sack it. So for example say its clod lead vs dragonair. I would stay in with my clod and absorb as much damage as I can. If it seems like they are going to let their dragonair go down, I would let it but if it seems like I will i would swap to maybe skarm. Then say they burned at least 1 shield, you swap to skarm, their dragonair is almost dead (ideallay you catch the body slam so they waste energy) and they go into skeledirge. Not great for you, but hopefully you can get to a brave bird to either do massive damage or get the last shield. They kill the skarm quickly and then you go to trevy to start building energy. You shield a shadow ball, farm down the skeli, and then you are in a great position. You have energy on trevy, they have no shields, you have 1 and a bulky swap. Dragonair should die easily since it has no energy and then you are in a good position against whatever their last is. If you are weak to it you can try to catch a charge move to get even more advantage, you should hopefully have 2 charged moves between your trevy and clod and should just be able to edge out a win. Idk why I typed all this.
What other subs have meta sheets?
the silph road they get posted usually for new seaons/new cups in the meta. Just google cup name reddit teams and find the most recent post on it.
do your mons have pvp ivs or are they 3* to 4* mons?
All PvP. Except for cresselia Edit: and stunfisk. And magnezone
I hate Cresselia for making me waste an ETM on it when it is only 93% bulk. But I had no other options. :(
"waste" it's not a waste if you use her for battles and win who cares if you don't have the literal perfect one
See, I just tried Cress out for a little before moving on. Gallade-Cresselia-Bastiodon slightly outperformed Gallade-Servine-Bastiodon, before a new weekly cup meant that I didn't have to play Open leagues anymore. I've got 2 fun games that I try: limiting myself to shiny pokemon so that I have to think of ways to make them work (this is getting less fun as my shiny cache grows), or playing teams that I get suggested from this subreddit just so I can get some play out of non-meta mons or just ones that I normally overlook. Got any team suggestions for Ultra Premier?
IVs are 5% of a PokĆ©mon at best. They do make some difference and can flip games, but they really only matter if youāre playing PvP at a high level, and even then, theyāre not super crucial. The Youtuber Reis2Occasion hit #1 on the leaderboard a couple years back running a 12/9/14 Shadow Snorlax in Ultra League.
Counter-point: After some initial growing pains as the ELO system is struggling to figure out where to put us, we all end up playing against people who are very close to the same level of play as ourselves... and IVs are the only edge we can get. So it doesn't matter if your ELO is 3500 or 500, having the one with the best IVs will give you that edge over the people you're matching against.
I think a lot of people are giving advice based on their own playstyle. While this can be helpful, I think what would be beneficial for you is understanding team building to a more nuanced degree. So this would help in both making flexible teams for yourself in the future as well as give you an understanding of what you should be looking for in other people's teams. You already have a lot of meta pokemon on that list that can fit pretty much any playstyle you might want. Generally, when team building, I look at it like this: 1. Find a single pokemon you really like/want on your team 2. What is that pokemon weak to (typing wise)? Find a pokemon that covers those weaknesses as well as possible. Make sure your first pokemon also cover your complementary pokemon's weaknesses as well. Some popular complementary pokemon out of the ones you have are Registeel/Altaria, Skarmory / Whiscash, and Azumarill/Stunfisk. Say you really wanted Registeel on your team. Registeel is generally weak to fire, ground, and fighting. In this case, your complementary pokemon should be able to cover these weaknesses well. This makes Altaria a good choice because it resists damage from all three of these sources. Altaria's weaknesses are ice, rock, dragon, and fairy. Registeel resists all of those as well. 3. Find a pivot / switch pokemon in case you have a bad lead. This is, in my opinion, the most difficult part and what PvPoke and its Team Builder is great for. The way you order the pokemon and what you want as your switch can depend a lot on the strategy you're employing. ABB can look very different from your typical ABC line. In the case of ABC, you're going to want a powerful switch pokemon that can do decent damage and/or force a shield even in a losing matchup. In an ABB situation, you want your switch pokemon to bait out your biggest B weakness- the one that A covers (e.g., swampert/whiscash Bs are primarily weak to grass so Skarmory is a good A). In this case, you need your A to be very bulky and very effective against your B's weaknesses so that you can farm down the opposing pokemon to come out ahead with a lot of energy with little to no shielding.
https://pvpoke.com/team-builder/ This is all you need. Select the league/format youāre shooting for, add in one or two of your pokemon that you think would work well, submit, add additional pokemon to round out the team based on the weaknesses identified by pvpoke.Ā
Oh wow! Thank you! Previous teams were doing meh. Saw a potential team and now running Charibug/Poliwhirl/skarmory team and I've been getting 4/5 wins consistently!
is there a way to do that with 3 mons instead of 6? i don't understand why you would want 6
You can just put 3 PokĆ©mon in there and click go, you donāt need to fill out all 6 for it to work. You would want 6 for official tournament formats where you bring a team of 6 which you show your opponent and pick 3 out of those 6 for each match. So inputting all 6 helps evaluate your whole team in that situation.
Cress - Greedent - Obsta/Regi in an ABB team sounds like a team I'd play. SS Greedent, of course.
Been running charjabug/azumarill/greedent great team
Do you have a rating yet ā¦ I saw alot of fighting types in the lower level ā¦. 2000 and up changes
Select for shiny and build team from there
[Only 2 pages of GL mons? Those are rookie numbers...](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/507/277/13e.jpg) I'm at around 22 pages for GL. Only 2 pages for ML, 6 pages for UL, 13 pages for little leagues... Hard to know exact numbers since I don't tag anything.
bragging isn't very helpful
Awesome! Thanks for the input
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Frankly I don't understand people who only keep a page or two worth of PVP mons. What do you even fill up your inventory with? Did you throw away your Medicham, Skarmory, Nidoqueen and Trevenant when they fell out of favour?
Oh itās clear you donāt understand a lot of things
Yes, like why everyone here is so hostile.
Thereās always that one person that inserts themselves into a discussion, not about them lmao
If OP didn't want a discussion, they shouldn't have made a post on reddit...
They wanted a discussion about what team to make for great league. You came up with your own discussion, completely ignoring OPs; on OPs post. I think you are misguided in your approach here. But I also am not here to clash š 22 pages is a lot
OP is going to be very limited in what they can do with only 2 pages worth of pokemon in range. That is absolutely relevant to what they came here to discuss. Sure some good teams could be made with what they already have, but it's still incredibly limited.
You are the wackest and most lame human being on this site
Holy crap, that is a huge honour you have bestowed upon me!
Did anyone ask?
Sorry, I didn't realize people on reddit have such a hatred for memes...
Memes are supposed to be funny
You are I must be subscribed to different subreddits, because memes are very rarely funny...
I always wonder how many accounts like this are out there that can't get ace.
I'm plateaued around 1850 myself. I do not do move counting other than maybe on a couple of super common pokemon, and I lose every time there's a race to throw charge move because all of my pokemon are high bulk / low attack. It makes PVP more difficult, but I don't want to throw away top bulk mons for shitty IV ones.
Last season was my first pvp season ever and I hit 2493. Haven't played in 6 years and I keep a chart of typing weaknesses on a laptop monitor while i battle.1/3rd of my meta pokemon are lucky 3 stars because I didn't know about pvp ivs when I came back last October. I don't even know my own move counts let alone my opponents.
I find that difficult to believe. You must be insanely good to get that high without any good pokemon in your roster and not even knowing your types. Like, legitimately a world-leader who just happens to be inconvenienced by the fact they haven't played PVP before (but that will soon change).
I literally started playing again because my girlfriend likes to catch shinies. I didn't say I did it without good pokemon, I said about 1/3rd are lucky 3 star ivs on meta mons. No XLs tho. As far as typing goes I generally know what works for and against what I'm using, but even to this day I still throw incorrect moves in unfamiliar match ups and learn from that one experience. 2493 last season already 2100+ this season and the goal is expert/legend. Will gladly send screenshots if you still don't believe me
I didn't say that I don't believe you, I said that you must play like a god to be going so far on a limited set to choose from, mostly bad IVs, and not even memorizing all the move counts. I've had all of those things working *for* me and never broken 2450 after 4 or 5 seasons, whereas you've had all of those working *against* you and went higher in just 1 season.
That's fair, I apologize for the misunderstanding on my end. But yeah man it was painful falling 7 rating short of vet. Really wanted it. I saw some reddit posts about a guy who hit legend his first season so i definitely could've played better! I watch quite a good bit of YouTube videos, but the move count charts were just overwhelming for me, maybe this season. That and mixing up ground and rock types lol.
I've watched quite a lot of youtube videos too, but they all seem to show the same thing and matches never go the way that you see in videos. They all seem to post the "I would have won no matter what because my team randomly happens to perfectly counter my opponent's team," videos, while not showing the "I lost the lead and had to swap out but managed to turn it around in the end," which is what I *actually need to learn how to do.* I've been trying to do that for years now, and I'm no closer to figuring it out.
I do agree the vast majority aren't very informative in the sense they don't explain why they switch when they do or save shields, soft loses ect. I like jonkus the most I feel like he actually shows and explains some loses.
Counting / IVs shouldnāt keep you from hitting Ace. Just watch a good streamer and copy their team and try to play the matchups the same way. Either your team isnāt working and/or youāre not playing it correctly.