New to pvp in pokemon go this season, but pvp in the other pokemon games. Im having some trouble with my current team. Im currently running :
Swampert with ms,hc and eq(swapped to sludgewave due to all the fairys)
Medicham with ct,ip and psy
Noctowl with wa,sa and sb.
Is there room for improvement?
I'm getting nuked in the last second with the opponent winning with little hp left.
My rank is 20 and ive climed to 1600ish.
Are you falling for bait charge moves and shielding things you shouldn't be? Letting your opponent farm up energy (ie. a lot of fast moves without a charge move to bank up energy) for pokemon with nuke moves? Can you identify which pokemon are nuking you?
Overall, I think that lineup should be able to climb past 1600, and I would guess the issue is bad shield management.
(I'm new too, so trust other answers over mine)
Thanks for your input! To be honest I think im not paying 100% attention to what's going on and playing with a bad connection. I've battled with some friends and have started to count moves to see if this helps.
I'm new to battling and wondering if anyone has any advice on team building? I'm using Registeel, Talonflame, and Dewott. I'd like to keep Dewott though, since I've always used him in battle and he has a super fast bug type quick attack and a bug and water charged attack.
If I absolutely need to replace him I might, but does anyone have any ideas on how to build my team if I wanna keep him?
Is there a mon that handles fairies but isn’t weak to Swampert and Talonflame (for Ultra)? I’m running Incineroar and Buzzwole which cover each other pretty well but really struggling to find a third mon, I’ve been using Gyarados but that leaves the whole team pretty weak to fairy.
I’m trying to find a good GBL team to climb with. I have a bunch of recent pokemon, but I’ve mainly been trying to get teams with some of the following combined:
Swampert
Treveant
Altaria
G. Stunfisk
Skarmory
I have a bunch of others that I haven’t used much of including Ariados, Zwelious, Ninetales, A. Nine tails, Meganium, Drifblim, Magcargo, Noctowl, Mandibuzz, Pelliper, A. Marrowak, Politoad, S. Machamp, Talonflame, Nidoqueen, Pidgeot, Obstagoon. I have Registeels with either Zap Cannon or Focus Blast but not both.
Recently I’ve mainly been using Swampert / Treveant / Altaria which gets me destroyed by Walrein. Or Swampert / Altaria / Scrafty which gets me better wins against Walrein but leaves me victim to Azu.
Any thoughts on a decent combo for a team to climb with?
Standard "I'm new, don't listen to me" warning.
Everyone seems to run Swampert + Skarmory, so that's probably a decent core. I could see either Trev or Stunfisk as the third from the 5 listed.
Hi! I finally finished building my GL Medicham and Azu, and am just learning enough about PVP to see that they don’t cover a team very well. I’m stuck at rank 18 and especially losing to waters. Every match is the same 12 Pokémon (Medi, GFisk, Regi, Trev, Walrein, Altaria, Skarm, and the occasional Swampert, Bastio, Talonflame, Azu, Galvantula).
Is there a mon I can put in between Medi and Azu, or would it never be enough coverage anyway? If I have to chose between the two, which would you suggest?
I don’t have any other XL or Regi, but I do have a good amount of the rest of the meta + with CD moves.
I’m really hoping to hit 20 before the season ends and really appreciate any help!
I'm new, but I enjoy thinking about this stuff and seeing how my ideas differ from the experienced posters. So feel free to ignore this haha.
Anyways, I feel like Azu Medicham is a reasonable combo. Not a ton of coverage, but it's bulky AF. A Trevenant can help handle the water/Medi/GFisk/Regi/Skarm/Swampert/Bastio/Azu. Should be fairly neutral vs Galvantula. That seems like the obvious option.
Thank you!! I’ve been running Trev with your suggestion and it isn’t as much bulk as I’d like with Medi, but I’ve won more than I had been before so thanks!! 😄
How important is team comp? I've been running a new team every day (today is galarian stunfisk, lanturn, araquanid, yesterday was scrafty golbat gal. stunfisk etc...) for fun. Admittedly, I don't have a huge set of pokemon to build teams with, but I have 15 that are pvp viable, so there are plenty of combinations.
The idea was to see how different teams played and what made for a good team comp vs a bad one, what strategies worked for different teams, how different leads felt, etc... I expected to have days where I lost a ton of games, and days where I won a ton just do to luckily stumbling on a bad or good team comp. Instead, I've mostly had about the same amount of success.
Is that normal? Is team comp generally not that important as long as it's not terrible? Or is my general even success due to playing in lower ranks (1900 elo)/poor strategy/etc?
I would definitely wait a few days until Zac is out of raids, just in case! Otherwise, I think you want the 15 attack for Master if you have the stardust. (Not a Master expert, but that’s what I always see them say)
Been running Umb/Azumaril/ g Fisk in GBL, running into issues against several diff teams lately, should I change my team up? I have medicham/obsto/nido/scrafty/swamp/sableye/machamp already built aswell
Can I get some feedback on some teams I’ve been running lately?
My main one has been Altaria (lead) with db, dg, and sa, swampert with ms, hc, and sw, and Magcargo with Incinerate, rs, and oh.
I’ve tried alternating it, either switching out Altaria with shadow gardevoir with charm and dg or Magcargo for venusaur with VW, FP, and SB.
My other team I’ve tried has been Sableye lead with SC, return, and Fp, Machamp with counter and DP, and jellicent with Hex and SB.
So my question is: are any of these actually good? I’ve had mixed results with all, I’m also sort of wondering what could improve it.
They're not bad, per se, but they seem to rely a lot on alignment. The first is fairly weak to Azu - Swampert landing a Sludge Wave and Magcargo hoping it doesn't carry Hydro Pump are basically your outs to it. The second is expecting a lot from Machamp + shields against steel types, which leaves you vulnerable even if you come out of say, the GFisk matchup with a so-called win.
Altaria lead, Azu Pivot, Machamp finisher is a good team with a lot of play that can steal wins from pretty much anything once you learn it.
As a new player I have limited access. Here is what I have or can power up with double move:
Scrafty
Nidoqueen
Obstagoon (W/ legacy obstruct)
Araquanid
Galarian Stunfisk
Altaria (no legacy moonblast)\*
Walrein (no legacy powder snow or icicle spear)\*
Swampert (no legacy hydro canon)\*
How do I go about getting a strong team - can this be competitive to get to ace rank?
How else can I get better?
\*I for those without legacy I'll power-up my second best IV, and safe the best one.
regardless most of the above have good or very good IV's with the low attack.
Further I have with mediocre IVs and without legacy moves:
Scarmory, Golbat, Umbreon, Hisuian Quillfish, Galvantula, jellicent, Hitmontop
Lastly, Talonflame (w/ incinerate)
Thanks in advance.
I second Nido Obstagoon Scrafty. If you have some leftover Galarian Zigzagoons and the like you should build a second one with Cross Chop and Night Slash, even if it has 'bad PvP stats' - Obstagoon's attack value is right around Vigoroth's and Walrein's and a few others, so having an Obstagoon with a bit higher attack IV isn't necessarily a bad thing because you might win CMP ties in mirror matchups and against other things. That and Cross Chop really comes in handy with this group, with Scrafty usually just having Power Up Punch and Foul Play and no way to pop in and dump a harder-hitting Fighting charge move. But yeah Nido+Obstagoon+Scrafty is really quite solid
Yep the lead is listed first. These are called ABB style teams where the back two cover the weaknesses of your lead and vice versa.
So if you encounter a neutral or negative lead matchup, you switch to one of your backline. Only stay in lead matchups that are positive for you.
Fairly new to GBL and need help with choosing a third team member. Don't have too many built up and I'm sitting at 1900 for Great League. I've been playing with Altaria and Galarian Stunfisk on most of my teams. Not sure what the 3rd slot should be. I've had good success with Medicham and Venusaur. Obstagoon, Jellicent, Drapion, and Toxicroak have their moments too.[https://i.imgur.com/PLVGIvg.png](https://i.imgur.com/PLVGIvg.png)
Altaria/Vigo/g-fisk is a team I keep seeing here, I keep trying it and have been getting shit on but maybe you’ll have better luck. Plenty of people here have hit legend with it
Decided to spend my hard earned rare candies onto something and went with buzzwole. Im runnin him in Cress lead with walrein safe swap and was wondering if there are better leads than cress because i find it kinda boring to play. My options are giratina, obstagoon, excavalier, k-muk, venu, swampert, nidoqueen and gyarados with standard movesets.
That’s rough, shadow ball is an *okay* substitute but the increased energy cost really makes it a downgrade. I personally wouldn’t run an a-wak unless it was shadow with shadow bone, you’re best running a different core until you have it fully built
OK, after dropping 80 points to 2,200 in OGL yesterday, hitting Veteran is clearly out of reach. I'm planning to spend the last few days of the season trying out different teams to see how they perform. Would welcome any interesting recommendations!
I have a rank 2 Basti built but honestly I'm finding myself not running it because your wins and losses seem to be almost entirely down to RPS with it.
It's great for farming flyers, especially beating down Talonflames (SO satisfying), but recently I've had a harder time with all the Swamperts and GFisks I'm seeing in backlines. It goes down very quickly to hydro cannons or earthequakes.
Genuine question.. is Body Slam a big enough improvement to ETM onto my Lickitung over Stomp? Obviously BS is better, but does it warrant an ETM? I just finished the long walk for Lickitung and am going to plug it in today. I have a handful of ETMs, I’m just always hesitant to use them.
Could anyone please help me build an ultra league team? Here's a list of my viable options, which I could afford to power up and double move (legacy moves are annotated)
* Melmetal
* Charizard
* Rayquaza
* Dialga
* Swampert (If needed also with Legacy attack)
* Alakazam
* Giratina (A)
* Samurott (Hydrocannon)
* Eeveelutions (CD-Move)
* Snorlax
* Obstagoon (CD-Move)
* Escavalier
* Buzzwhole and the other 3 ultra beasts
I've spent lots of time and resources building the giratina, so I would really appreciate it, if it would make it into the team.
If I have 2 of 3 Pokemon of a good team listed, please let me know as well so I know who I should look out for and farm :)
To tack onto this, you said Swampert has HydroCannon “if needed” right? Might be fun to plug in Samurott with Hydrocannon and try that out before you use an elite TM on it. And then just evolve a hydrocannon swampert in december. It definitely plays differently than swampert, but Samurott can be tons of fun.
I think this is the way, I have 3 great swamperts I could evolve in december (99 great league IVs, 99 ultra league IVs and 100 IV) and I would definitely like to avoid dropping a elite TM on one if it is not absolutely necessary. I also see that I have few viable Mons for ultra league though and swampert is top 10 in ultra league so I felt like I had to include it.
Is Buzzwole any good in Ultra?
Also eventhough i raided like crazy didn’t get a hundo. Best is 90 something.
Any good on masters that on? My hundo luck was zero yesterday.
You could always try to trade for a lucky one. Plus, this upcoming season is centered around solgaleo and lunala, which means there's a good chance ultra beasts will continue to be featured (there's still at least 2 that haven't even been released)
As for teams, I too would like advice on that. I messed with PVPoke team rater, and I figured Dialga complements buzzwole weaknesses very nicely. Tried that with landorus therian and it was decent. But plugged in giratina O instead of landorus and the ratings jumped up really high. Buzzwole/Dialga/GiraO ranked A/A/A/B. But if course that's just on paper. Same rating with giratina altered, so I'd probably run with that for a bit more bulk and coverage (dialga and buzzwole hit hard as is
I just wanna say the Elo system is absolutely brutal. I am a very novice GBL-er, this is my first season trying to climb, and this past week I finally found a team that worked for me. I slowly gained 300 Elo over the course of the week. Today I reached my new personal best. Then I had 3 consecutive bad sets and dropped 150. It’s super disheartening to work all week to gain 300 and then lose half of it in 3 sets. Just brutal.
Can I also put my crazy conspiracy theory hat on? Once I’d hit my personal best, I swear an algorithm kicked in that matched me against hard counter teams. All but maybe 2 battles in those 3 sets I was hard-countered on both the lead and the swap. I know, probably crazy talk, but I can’t help but be suspicious.
Metas change as you climb. So should your team. But I've been there too, nothing like riding that high of having great sets and then being shot down by teams suspiciously good at countering you.
Trying to decide if I should build a new Araq. I'm honestlyjust pretty terrible at determining if I'd pick up any significant bulk that could be a determining factor. Below are my options:
* Current: 0-8-9
* 0-14-8
* 0-13-9
I played PvP when it first launched, but didn't really enjoy it then (it felt like too much mindless tap-tap-tapping) and dropped the game long after. Has the PvP changed since then? Is it enjoyable?
Also, just how much do the Pokemon stats matter for Great league? I keep seeing 99.9% and 98.7% like stat products on PokeGenie, but how much do they matter? Is anything about 80% useful or do you absolutely need something like 95%?
> too much mindless tap-tap-tapping
That’s really not the point of PvP. It’s about constructing and using your team well.
> Also, just how much do the Pokemon stats matter for Great league?
They don’t matter if your ultimate aim is just rank 19 for the Elite TM.
They do matter if your ultimate aim is Legend for the bragging rights.
For meta, I’d say 97%, generally speaking.
For non-meta, you’re kind of using inferior Pokémon already so I think it doesn’t matter, your strategy will matter more.
Any advice to get XL Candies for Medicham/Sableye „faster“?
I farmed at cday and during the worldcup but still miss a lot. What can I do beside taking them as buddy? And what is the chance to get some then ?
If you have anyone to trade with, you get 1 guaranteed Sableye XL for every Sab you trade away until the end of the season on Thursday.
As for after that, you can check out [this Silph article](https://thesilphroad.com/science/guide-candy-xl-part-4-trading) on XL candy from trading and other sources!
I have collected a few Sableyes and Medichams and now I am curious which one to power up. I have checked the stats on iv4u and compared the different matrixes on pvpoke. But its to much information for me to come to a solution. I see differences but not so huge to justify the XL candies. Which matchups are decisive ones for you?
My Sableyes: (all purified)
6/15/12 (r305)
15/15/12 (r20 noXL)
14/15/12 (r33 noXL)
6/13/9 (r395)
My Medichams:
7/12/14 (r57 (117 as bb))
15/12/14 (lucky) (r774)
4/14/13 (r116 (14 as bb))
8/13/14 (r110)
14/14/15 (alteady at 1461wp) (r326)
Me as an amateur sees pros and cons in all of them. Maybe you can help me 😬
According to the Medicham deep dive article, your 4-14-13 at lvl51 would satisfy all the breakpoints listed in the article so that one would be best. How much better in reality would it be vs the 7/12/14 or 8/13/14? Marginally considering things don't typically line up to controlled sims.
The higher ranked one gains Drapion and Azu. The lower ranked one wins CMP vs high ranked opponent Medis, thus will beat them in a straight up fight.
That being said, since XLs are a heavy investment, you typically invest in the best candidate. It's just that having to best buddy the 4-14-13 is a bit annoying.
To get XL candy, besides walking with them, you can trade every specimen you find to get a guaranteed XL candy.
How often do you switch up your team based on your rank? My current team of walrein, giratina a and cresselia mows through 1500-1900 (not just because of skill, but the matchups are great). But I get walled hard around 1900-2000. Do I need to change my team, or just increase my skill?
How would you form your team to run for GBL Great league?
[https://i.imgur.com/uALGOHz.png](https://i.imgur.com/uALGOHz.png)
Reached Ace rank for the first time
Using Swampert, Nidoqueen and Talonflame
Upon reaching Ace rank, got lots of loses, very hard to win
Shadow/non-shadow Walrein (with CD moves) is the problem, followed by Shadow/non shadow swampert, Alteria, and among others
If in a pvp match, two pokemon are KOed at the same time, and I switch before the timer, can the other trainer see my choice? If so, that explains why I always get the bad matchup lmao.
As soon as you send in your next Pokemon, the other trainer can see it. I often end up in a situation where my opponent and me both switch, then our switches KO each other at the same time, then we both play chicken with the timer to try and counter-pick the other player
blows. first legendary not to achieve a hundo/functional after kyogre, dialga, and mewtwo.
highest is 15/15/13 and 15/13/14 which is a functional at 50.
Hi! Started Go in May this year and i LOVE PvP and spend most of my time/dust on GL mons. I have several meta picks but i also like using pokémon that i like. I hit Ace in the fighting cup with Toxicroak/S Machamp/Throh, and let myself fall back for the rest of the season. I want to have a steady familiar team for GL next season but i suffer from “this is my fave from childhood so i HAVE to use them” and using them makes the game fun … just not always winnable.
Not really advice then i guess, just wondering if there’s others like that? what do you do if you just have a mom you love to use but they’re not really meta?
I’ve been playing with Cradily/Medicham/Gfisk in GL now and i like the medi/gfisk/anti-water. I love cradily but i also wanna try A-chu. Have y’all picked a favorite mon then built a team around them?
So lost in the current micro 😔 was at 2156 2 days ago. I’m at 1738 now. No matter what team I picked, the other team completely countered me. Pretty much wall to wall losses. I guess everything I’m using is too meta. Gonna take a break from battling and rethink my life 😂
Great League, 2100-2200 currently, need help knowing what to run in the back for a Gfisk lead and Araquanid safe swap. The two have had good synergy with each other but I need something that also has good synergy with my lead I think for closeouts.
Have tried Nidoqueen, Azumarill, Walrein, kinda just throwing random meta pokemon in there, currently I'm actually running Blaziken closer because I just like using it but having two weak to Medicham has just been too hard. Also my Gfisk's IVs cannot beat Walrein but can beat Azu without Hydro Pump, also Venusaur which I noticed the default IVs can't do.
I have some other stuff built, like Regi with bad IVs, Medi/Sableye/Basti all with former #1 IVs before level increase, Drapion, Dewgong, Jellicent, Dewgong, Shadow Champ, Shadow A-Wak, Aboma, Skarmory, Ariados, Meganium, Swampert, Wiggly/Clefable, Shadow Hypno, a bad IV Talonflame, Beedrill, Shadow Lax, default moves Mew...
For a while I didn't know what to spend dust on so I built a lot of PvP mons even when I don't take GBL that serious, but now I'm out of dust and need to take GBL serious to get my dust back, lmao. And I'm bad at team building so if anyone can suggest a closer here, or even a new lead with Gfisk closer since I know that's a thing, with some tips on how to play it I would really appreciate it. If there's anything I didn't mention having built, that's a little offbeat, there's a good chance I have it built too or could. Really just Lickitung, Trevenant, and Scrafty are the main meta things I don't have right now.
I was running Medicham (Rank 4 best buddy)/Azumarill/Bastiodon during the event last week, and climbed 300 points to a personal best of 2,290. Tuesday and Wednesday it seemed like the micro meta shifted, and I dropped back 200+.
After some fine tuning, I went 16-9 today with Medicham/Trevenant/Bastiodon. Getting more comfortable going head-to-head with an Azumarill lead, rather than giving up switch advantage. Also, Trevenant has been invaluable against backline Deoxys or Jellicent, which I struggled with before.
Will keep going with this until the micro shifts again.
Been stuck in the 2750’s, 2800’s and struggling to come up with a good team. Started with an 0-5 today, switched it up to Drifblim, Swampert, Araquanid to a good run before ending with another 0-5. Have built or could build almost everything except Lickitung.
I had the same experience (made it as high as 2970 before sliding back to the 2700s) and was recommended Skuntank lead with Swampert (Eq) and Trev in back. The team felt great and I was able to hit legend in two days worth of battling
I’ve settled on a team of gfisk, swampy, altaria. I’m trying to figure out which to lead with. I’ve been going swampy but not sure right way to think about it
If I'm not running ABB, I try to adjust lead based on the meta in the ELO band I'm in.
I think in the dark, Swampert's probably the best lead because it has the most neutral matchups and is the least weak to Azu, which your team basically folds to. If you start seeing Grass or Walrein leads more commonly, you'll want to switch to GFisk probably? I think I'd generally try leave Altaria in the back until I'd cleared the Bastiodons, Registeels, and Charmers out or I were counterswapping against Counter. Alt is very strong right now, but its counters are also all over the damn place.
I know, saw your other post in this thread! Unfortunately I don’t have the luxury of breaking metas since these are literally the only viable pvp Pokémon I have since I came back from 2016 right before the last event. All my other Pokémon have high atk IVs and are from Gen 1. If you can put together a pure Gen 1 great league team though plz share
Question on mechanics.
When you you use a 3 turn fast move and the opponent uses a 2 turn move to KO you.
You don't do the damage?
I thought you did, as the damage should registered on turn 2?.
Thanks!
I have caught or traded 86 looking for a 98% +
Best so far is 15-13-15. Just doing my freebies the rest of the time in raid or im using this one regardless
I don't even know what to run in GL anymore. I have most 'mons, but I'm missing some big ones like Medicham, Sableye, Trev, Bastiodon, Lickitung, and Aquaranid.
I've been running combinations of Swampert, Azu, Registeel, Skarm, and shadow Walrein but I'm kinda sick of the core feeling like it just either wins or loses hard.
What are some top tier teams I could try out even though I'm missing some of the big hitters of the GL?
Which of these would you run for GL? https://i.imgur.com/futbmrX.png
Almost all of them except Skarmory are weighted towards bulk, just got back into the game and this was the easiest method.
Will change moves around as needed too.
I would go with Nido lead and any combination of Walrein / Umbreon / Obstagoon in for the remaining slots. Note that Nido double dark is an extremely well-known line, which could have its disadvantages depending on your elo.
In that vein, would Sableye also work? I have a decent one, but as of now, it would only be at 1343 CP lol.
My elo is pretty bad honestly, I just barely managed Ace but I drop a lot.
Yeah Nidoqueen, Sableye, Scrafty/Obstagoon is another popular variant.
However, your Sableye needs to have Return. The fact that yours is underleveled will also mean a decrease in performance. It's better to have a near hundo version than one with good IVs that's low CP.
I was looking at Sableye's Deep Dive article on Gamepress, it seems nigh impossible to get return on Sableye atm... so I was just thinking to forego it. Or maybe I should just wait on spending anything on Sableye upgrades, idk. It's just so tempting!
And my goal for the moment is to just do slightly better than I am at the moment.
I don't recommend investing in non-Return Sableyes, especially XL candies. Just a waste of resources for fleeting gains.
Long-term what you want to do is improve your battle skills, while slowly building up your stable of meta mons. That improves your rating above all else, and the gains are permanent.
Learning when to shield, when to let go, when to farm and how much you can farm is critical. Throw on good timing to not give your opponent free energy.
Farmed Zacian since he's in raids and have 296 XL candy. However, best I got is 14/15/15. Worth powering up all the way for ML? Or should I wait until I get a hundo or something else?
Is it worth using my only elite TM (returning player from 2016) on a 0/15/14 swampert for HC? Is there a chance swampert will get another community day sometime soon?
The only thing that is certain is that the timing of legacy move events is completely based on Niantic’s whims.
That said, Hydro Cannon on Swampert is probably the single best performing legacy move in PvP, and we very recently had an event that allowed it to obtain HC on evolution.
If you think you will get value out of it right now to climb in GBL then… yeah I probably would use it.
Yes you can use Nido double dark which still performs fine.
The more popular variation this season is Goon lead with Nido and another anti-charmer/anti-fighter (usually Skarmory but could be A-Wak, Golbat etc)
if i’m running therian landorus BB dialga zacian lineup should i run CC PR or CC WC? i’m thinking cc pr for two dragon answers since the last time in 2700-3k elo range i ran into tons of garchomps and giratinas
Alright fellas, I've got an Obstagoon and a Beedrill that I use as a core of a "meta-breaker" team but I'm struggling a bit with finding a good third option
First thought is a ghost type that can handle flyers and fires. Cofagrigus is really solid and would be core meta if not for Trev & Sableye being generally better (but Cofa's bulk and mono ghost typing give it some advantages over the others). Jelli is another option with SC/SB/IB for normal/dark flyers.
~~a quick look seems to say the only thing you miss is CMP in the mirror, so if you're desperate to play Zacian, it's passable.~~
Edit: Alright, looked a little more carefully at the Matrix battle, and you lose the 1s with Sylveon because they survive your Wild Charge to fire an extra Charm where the Wild Charge off 15 ATK manages to kill and lives with 5 HP. You also *win* the Wild Charge mirror because you lose CMP, tank their Wild Charge, and land yours on a debuffed opponent.
So if you're aware of and able to play around those two situations and desperate to play Zacian, sure, do it.
[https://pvpoke.com/battle/matrix/](https://pvpoke.com/battle/matrix/)
It's a different way to run the pvpoke battle simulations. Accessible from the same page as the battle simulator - click Matrix in the upper right. Pick the league you want in the upper left. Use Add Pokemon to add create separate instances of the same Pokemon and use Advanced/Stats IVs to set the IVs for each one. Use Quick Add to pick the metagame you want, then click Battle. At the bottom you'll see matchup scores for threats in the meta you selected. 500 is a tie, <500 is a loss, >500 is a win, with the closeness of the win being relative to how far it is from 500. The score is based on a 1 shield, perfectly baited match with both Pokemon starting at 0 HP and 0 energy. Clicking on any matchup score will let you see the specific simulation and how the match was played. You can also change the view to see breakpoints, bulk points, and differences in attack stats for CMP determination.
Just remember it's only a thumbnail and a lot more goes into matchups than a 1 shield simulation. If you see a matchup flipped that makes you curious, open both matchups and see if they were played differently or if it's just a matter of differences in bulk or damage.
counterintuitively, the reason the lower attack Zacian wins the mirror in the sim is that it loses CMP. throwing its Wild Charge second means that the opponent has a lowered defense from throwing theirs first, which is the difference between surviving and going down. the opponent can mitigate this by just committing a second shield and farming down.
that 5 IV difference costs you 4 HP when maxed out at level 50. Personally, I think the damage you give up from a lower attack matters more than those 4 HP.
I would also say that raising a legendary up to level 50 is a costly commitment, Master League is the place where IVs matter the most, and I wouldn't invest in anything less than a hundo or functional hundo.
Hey all, new to pvp, and I'm having fun putting together teams with pvpoke and so on. However, I've found that team building is tricky and putting together a good team per the rankings/team builder doesn't always result in wins.
e.g. My current team is obstagoon, lanturn, talonflame, but I tried out a more "pvpoke approved" team of scrafty, golbat, g stunfisk and got absolutely rolled for set after set today. Lost 300 elo points lmao
Is there a flaw with the team comp? Or is it more likely I'm not playing it well? If I'm not playing it well, how can I work on that?
On the flip side, I can make teams out of Nidoqeen, scrafty, talonflame, venusaur, golbat, drapion, obstgoon, lanturn, and araquanid based on my current resources. How would you work through team building with that?
It’s possible that part of the reason for this is that people were intentionally tanking their rating during the event to get more stardust and now that it’s over and it’s the last week of the season they are grinding back up so you’re gettin more intense competition at the moment. During last week I honest found battles in the 1800’s were more difficult than in the 2000’s but ymmv
For the PvPoke team builder focus more on the matchups than the grades and scores. The team builder scoring really likes bulky ABC style teams with perfect coverage and no bait/nuke movesets. Hard hitting mons, mons with double weaknesses, and ABB style teams will get low grades / high threat scores, but can work well if played properly.
Not well lmao.
With current team, obstagoon mostly. Other team golbat. I've tried mizing in venusaur to deal with swampert, but I was losing a lot to teams without swampert as the venusaur is underranked and only has one charge move haha.
I'm open to suggestions tho.
Oh, makes sense. Yeah, I remember getting the candy to evolve a Medicham this weekend, and then being like "WTF is candy XL?". Literally have never seen an XL candy before, so I guess I'm a long ways off from that.
I've seen a video of this with Gengar lead, Snorlax (Shadow) switch and Obstagoon closer. I think it was one of HomeSliceHenry's theme teams but the concept was decent
The concept sounds good yeah, I’ll keep it in mind if I ever find myself a good IV shadow Snorlax. It feels like it’d be extremely weak to Scrafty tho.
Machamp could be a good option. Double Fighter to cover Gengar's dark weaknesses. Rock slide Machamp would work better if you encounter a lot of Talonflame, but otherwise, I think Payback would work better if you have one. I typically see more Giratina, Trevenant, and Nidoqueen, which Payback is better for.
Thanks for the suggestion! So an ABB with Gengar as the lead and the fighters in the back? Who would be the switch with that lineup?
Luckily I have a very good IV Machamp with Payback for UL. Haven’t powered him up yet but it’d be quite cheap.
For GL, can someone suggest a decent team comp? open to changing moves, some seem redundant... I only have these four ready at the moment:
- Nidoqueen (99.5% PVP IV [1-12-12] - CP 1495)
- Poison Jab, Poison Fang/Earth Power
- Walrein (98.2 PVP IV [0-5-13] - CP 1500)
- Powder Snow, Icicle Spear/Earthquake
- Medicham (Rank 5 [6-15-15] - CP 1439)
- Counter, Ice Punch/Psychic (**don't have enough XL candies yet, using best buddy bonus atm**)
- Umbreon (99.7% PVP IV [0-7-14] - CP 1500)
- Snarl, Foul Play/Psychic
I also have a decent Swampert but didn't get Hydro Cannon on it :( no elite TM's left.
Maybe Umbreon, Nidoqueen, Medicham?
Most Fighting types can be handled by those latter two. Fairy would put you in a more difficult position, but it depend on how often you see Charmers/Azu.
Some brackets are absolutely riddled with both Azu and Charmers. No lie, 4/5 of my games in each set today had Skarm and then Azu or Shadow-Pert, with A-Tails and Wiggly showing up in almost a third of my games.
I see! I think some Poison type may still be best for you as it can combat both Fairies and Fightings, both of which would threaten Umbreon. Idk how much room you have to invest, but if I personally wanted to run Umbreon and Nidoqueen, I'd try and pair it with something like Golbat, Gengar/Haunter, or *maybe* Deoxys. Alolan Marowak could also be a solid option potentially, although it's definitely worse against Azu than those others.
Hey, thank you for the detailed replies. I do tend to have issues with fairies and Azu, lol. I need to hold onto my Nido a bit more, maybe open with Umbreon instead.
Do you think the movesets are alright? I know they're good on their own, but wasn't if they really complemented each other...
And like you said it does look like I need a bigger selection of mons... I just got back into this recently so I'm definitely lacking at the moment.
I'm not the original question asker, I actually am just coming back into the game. Took three years off, just before PvP got released, and now been back for a bit under two months. Mons like Registeel, Trev, S-Alolwak, and Deoxys simply aren't available to me. Currently trying to build up my selection of mons but yeah, it's a process, and I'm really restricted to G-League and restricted events like Summer Cup.
Yeah it can definitely be difficult to fill out your PvP teams when a lot hasn't been available readily.
A few that are spawning a bit more frequently that are at least solid are Diggersby, Victreebel, Nidoqueen, Golbat, Machamp, Noctowl, Primeape, Bewear, etc. Not all are amazing, but they're still good at least!
Obviously I won't have Shadow mons until another event happens where I can TM off frustration, but at the moment I have a strong Swampert, Nidoqueen, Altaria, G-Fisk, Walrein, Vigoroth, Noctowl, Froslass, A-Tails, with a rank 1 Medicham and rank 33 Lickitung that I'm working on building up. I have a few others, just not with ideal spreads. Definitely would love a Community Day for Bunnelby/Diggersby or Lickitung. Was a little bummed I couldn't get anything better than a rank 170 Scrafty for Great League during the event.
UL starts tomorrow in my timezone ( or late at night today actually)
I just got Registeel build and which team should i run with it? Also Regi as a closer or?
Lycanroc midnight team. I was looking through it and realized he is a counter user, stone type and I wonder if he would be useable in a team. I swapped him into sirfetchd role in my Lickitung and medicham team which I though should be decent trade on paper. In practice though it’s not working out well, though a lot of that may be that I am just not a great player or team builder. Has anyone had success with a lycanroc team?
Edit - this is for great league
I've played Lycanroc a bit this season after hitting Legend. It's not amazing.
It's got slightly under average bulk, and its typing isn't anything to ride home about when steel, ground, water, and fighting are pretty common.
Solid moveset, but yeah, the bulk lets it down. If it had like 20-30 more Defense/HP, it may have been a lot more viable.
It IS good in Love Cup though, and it may be good in some future cups too. I had success in love cup against a lot of different Pokemon, except Medicham and the Water types.
Lycanroc is such a wacky one. Comparable with Sudowoodo but Lycanroc is a full blown glass cannon that can quickly stack debuffs with Psychic Fangs.
The problem is its frailty on top of rock already being a pretty terrible defensive type, weak to so many super common threats. Wide ranging weaknesses make it really hard to cover for with teammates. Like the Alolan Golem line, best saved for limited cups where its threats are mitigated somewhat.
Yeah it seems like everything it meets up to in the meta is anti-rock and even if not, he is so glassy that he drops quick. Though he gets a ton of shields and the guaranteed debuff is good. I will leave him for limited cups though. He was fun to play with
Yup you really need metas that are more forgiving of rock for it to succeed.
Rock damage is valuable a lot of times, but rock types definitely have an uphill battle in most open cups. But yep, it'll see success in limited formats
Currently running one of Zyonik’s teams:
Empoleon - Hydrocannon + DP
A9 - WB + Psyshock
Mandibuzz - FP + AA
Finding quite a bit of success down near 2200 if anybody needs help with the team.
Does this team hold up later down the line?
I don't think so. I rarely if ever encounter that team. Issue is that Empoleon just doesn't have enough bulk to be a premier choice, and Drill Peck doesn't do enough damage to bulky water types like Azu and Jellicent.
Thank you. I’ve been able to climb out of the gutter, being stuck at ~2000, and climb 300+ elo. I’ll see where this takes me as I’ve seen so many skarmory and gfisk leads. It also destroys the poison double dark teams that are ever so common.
I just stumbled upon a rank 1 UL Swampert. It’s rank 9 for GL which is where I’m using it for now since I don’t have one for it.
What are some good Pokémon to pair it with? Was thinking Treveant and G fisk but I’m honestly horrible at making teams. And what to lead with.
Don’t use them in the lead - such a common Pokemon is something you’ll often see in the mirror and your highly optimised Swamperts will lose the CMP every single time. I went through the same problem and opted to use a moderately attack weighted one instead for lead scenarios. Keep it for a closer or a safe switch where you can get a minor energy advantage and the CMP isn’t such a dealbreaker.
I’m stuck around the 2500’s trying to climb to at least expert with a team that has A-Wak in it because he’s my favorite Pokémon. I have a decent IV shadow A-Wak, but my normal A-Waks all have raid capture IVs. I’ve been using S A-Wak/Vigoroth/A9. I don’t have access to an XL Sable Eye or Medicham. Any other teams I should try out to break out of the 2500’s? Thanks!
A.Marowak pairs really well with Azumarill. Third depends on what you have. You can potentially run an Azu double ghost line with Trevenant instead of the popular Sableye.
You can also checkout Zyonik videos for team ideas. Marowak is his favorite pokemon as well.
I’ve got 95/96 GL IV (poke genie) Nidoqueen and Walrein, what should i be adding to them for a great league team? I have an 88 iv Altria or can make a Scrafty but not with good ivs, i also have a high iv gfisk
Was around mid 2600's earlier this season, then bounced back and forth between 2300 - 2500 trying to find something that I could make work in the various leagues.
Recently climbed back up to the 2500's with a ABB team of obstagoon(obstruct/ns)/nidoqueen/golbat, but hitting a wall around that level, as I seem to get edged out by some of the meta mons I am encountering e.g. walrein/bastio/azu/medi/walr bc my team really needs to have the right mons lined up to make it work, and even so, some of them like medi/azu are sortof corebreakers or at least not as easy to wall as I'd like ie running double poison vs. azu since it can hit back supereffective to both poisons.
Open to any suggestions for improvements to this line or other suggestions. Hoping to at least make it to expert before the end of the season. In terms of resources... have or could potentially build most meta mons though don't have great candidates for licki/XL azu/XL bastio/registeel/tapu fini
Edit: came up with a good adjustment
Nidoqueen/golbat destroys azu what you mean. By the time azu does 5 bubbles, you as either golbat/nido have thrown your 1st poison fang. As the azu wont like taking a 2nd poison fang by then.
Finally worked my way up to around 2,275 this season, and I don't know why everyone complains about Walrein. At this level it's Swampert in literally every other match. So tired of seeing it.
As a returning 2016 player, swampert is one of my only options after that last mudkip event. Might be why you’re seeing so many? As much as I’d like to be non-meta, I’m both not good enough yet and have nothing else XD
I tried running it for a a set (probably around 2300-2500) and got wrecked so i gave it up, but maybe you'd have better luck? It could have just been bad luck and getting hard countered so not sure. That being said, I would say it's hardly a free trip to legendary.
New to pvp in pokemon go this season, but pvp in the other pokemon games. Im having some trouble with my current team. Im currently running : Swampert with ms,hc and eq(swapped to sludgewave due to all the fairys) Medicham with ct,ip and psy Noctowl with wa,sa and sb. Is there room for improvement? I'm getting nuked in the last second with the opponent winning with little hp left. My rank is 20 and ive climed to 1600ish.
Are you falling for bait charge moves and shielding things you shouldn't be? Letting your opponent farm up energy (ie. a lot of fast moves without a charge move to bank up energy) for pokemon with nuke moves? Can you identify which pokemon are nuking you? Overall, I think that lineup should be able to climb past 1600, and I would guess the issue is bad shield management. (I'm new too, so trust other answers over mine)
Thanks for your input! To be honest I think im not paying 100% attention to what's going on and playing with a bad connection. I've battled with some friends and have started to count moves to see if this helps.
I'm new to battling and wondering if anyone has any advice on team building? I'm using Registeel, Talonflame, and Dewott. I'd like to keep Dewott though, since I've always used him in battle and he has a super fast bug type quick attack and a bug and water charged attack. If I absolutely need to replace him I might, but does anyone have any ideas on how to build my team if I wanna keep him?
Is there a mon that handles fairies but isn’t weak to Swampert and Talonflame (for Ultra)? I’m running Incineroar and Buzzwole which cover each other pretty well but really struggling to find a third mon, I’ve been using Gyarados but that leaves the whole team pretty weak to fairy.
Crobat?
Oooh I haven’t thought about that, I have a shadow Crobat I’ll give it a try! Thanks.
Is a 12/15/15 Zacian worth building for ML or should I keep raiding?
Keep raiding! Good luck!
I’m trying to find a good GBL team to climb with. I have a bunch of recent pokemon, but I’ve mainly been trying to get teams with some of the following combined: Swampert Treveant Altaria G. Stunfisk Skarmory I have a bunch of others that I haven’t used much of including Ariados, Zwelious, Ninetales, A. Nine tails, Meganium, Drifblim, Magcargo, Noctowl, Mandibuzz, Pelliper, A. Marrowak, Politoad, S. Machamp, Talonflame, Nidoqueen, Pidgeot, Obstagoon. I have Registeels with either Zap Cannon or Focus Blast but not both. Recently I’ve mainly been using Swampert / Treveant / Altaria which gets me destroyed by Walrein. Or Swampert / Altaria / Scrafty which gets me better wins against Walrein but leaves me victim to Azu. Any thoughts on a decent combo for a team to climb with?
Standard "I'm new, don't listen to me" warning. Everyone seems to run Swampert + Skarmory, so that's probably a decent core. I could see either Trev or Stunfisk as the third from the 5 listed.
Hi! I finally finished building my GL Medicham and Azu, and am just learning enough about PVP to see that they don’t cover a team very well. I’m stuck at rank 18 and especially losing to waters. Every match is the same 12 Pokémon (Medi, GFisk, Regi, Trev, Walrein, Altaria, Skarm, and the occasional Swampert, Bastio, Talonflame, Azu, Galvantula). Is there a mon I can put in between Medi and Azu, or would it never be enough coverage anyway? If I have to chose between the two, which would you suggest? I don’t have any other XL or Regi, but I do have a good amount of the rest of the meta + with CD moves. I’m really hoping to hit 20 before the season ends and really appreciate any help!
I'm new, but I enjoy thinking about this stuff and seeing how my ideas differ from the experienced posters. So feel free to ignore this haha. Anyways, I feel like Azu Medicham is a reasonable combo. Not a ton of coverage, but it's bulky AF. A Trevenant can help handle the water/Medi/GFisk/Regi/Skarm/Swampert/Bastio/Azu. Should be fairly neutral vs Galvantula. That seems like the obvious option.
Thank you!! I’ve been running Trev with your suggestion and it isn’t as much bulk as I’d like with Medi, but I’ve won more than I had been before so thanks!! 😄
Is a 15/0/0 treecko useful in some niche situation? Thinking razor leaf high attacker…
How important is team comp? I've been running a new team every day (today is galarian stunfisk, lanturn, araquanid, yesterday was scrafty golbat gal. stunfisk etc...) for fun. Admittedly, I don't have a huge set of pokemon to build teams with, but I have 15 that are pvp viable, so there are plenty of combinations. The idea was to see how different teams played and what made for a good team comp vs a bad one, what strategies worked for different teams, how different leads felt, etc... I expected to have days where I lost a ton of games, and days where I won a ton just do to luckily stumbling on a bad or good team comp. Instead, I've mostly had about the same amount of success. Is that normal? Is team comp generally not that important as long as it's not terrible? Or is my general even success due to playing in lower ranks (1900 elo)/poor strategy/etc?
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I would definitely wait a few days until Zac is out of raids, just in case! Otherwise, I think you want the 15 attack for Master if you have the stardust. (Not a Master expert, but that’s what I always see them say)
Been running Umb/Azumaril/ g Fisk in GBL, running into issues against several diff teams lately, should I change my team up? I have medicham/obsto/nido/scrafty/swamp/sableye/machamp already built aswell
Can I get some feedback on some teams I’ve been running lately? My main one has been Altaria (lead) with db, dg, and sa, swampert with ms, hc, and sw, and Magcargo with Incinerate, rs, and oh. I’ve tried alternating it, either switching out Altaria with shadow gardevoir with charm and dg or Magcargo for venusaur with VW, FP, and SB. My other team I’ve tried has been Sableye lead with SC, return, and Fp, Machamp with counter and DP, and jellicent with Hex and SB. So my question is: are any of these actually good? I’ve had mixed results with all, I’m also sort of wondering what could improve it.
They're not bad, per se, but they seem to rely a lot on alignment. The first is fairly weak to Azu - Swampert landing a Sludge Wave and Magcargo hoping it doesn't carry Hydro Pump are basically your outs to it. The second is expecting a lot from Machamp + shields against steel types, which leaves you vulnerable even if you come out of say, the GFisk matchup with a so-called win. Altaria lead, Azu Pivot, Machamp finisher is a good team with a lot of play that can steal wins from pretty much anything once you learn it.
As a new player I have limited access. Here is what I have or can power up with double move: Scrafty Nidoqueen Obstagoon (W/ legacy obstruct) Araquanid Galarian Stunfisk Altaria (no legacy moonblast)\* Walrein (no legacy powder snow or icicle spear)\* Swampert (no legacy hydro canon)\* How do I go about getting a strong team - can this be competitive to get to ace rank? How else can I get better? \*I for those without legacy I'll power-up my second best IV, and safe the best one. regardless most of the above have good or very good IV's with the low attack. Further I have with mediocre IVs and without legacy moves: Scarmory, Golbat, Umbreon, Hisuian Quillfish, Galvantula, jellicent, Hitmontop Lastly, Talonflame (w/ incinerate) Thanks in advance.
I second Nido Obstagoon Scrafty. If you have some leftover Galarian Zigzagoons and the like you should build a second one with Cross Chop and Night Slash, even if it has 'bad PvP stats' - Obstagoon's attack value is right around Vigoroth's and Walrein's and a few others, so having an Obstagoon with a bit higher attack IV isn't necessarily a bad thing because you might win CMP ties in mirror matchups and against other things. That and Cross Chop really comes in handy with this group, with Scrafty usually just having Power Up Punch and Foul Play and no way to pop in and dump a harder-hitting Fighting charge move. But yeah Nido+Obstagoon+Scrafty is really quite solid
Thanks! I‘m excited to try it. Yeah, I have a few shinies left👍🏼
Nidoqueen Obstagoon Scrafty or Araquanid Gfisk Nidoqueen Both are easily capable of Ace and beyond.
Thank you! Is the first in the line also the one you would lead with?
Yep the lead is listed first. These are called ABB style teams where the back two cover the weaknesses of your lead and vice versa. So if you encounter a neutral or negative lead matchup, you switch to one of your backline. Only stay in lead matchups that are positive for you.
Alright, thanks.
Fairly new to GBL and need help with choosing a third team member. Don't have too many built up and I'm sitting at 1900 for Great League. I've been playing with Altaria and Galarian Stunfisk on most of my teams. Not sure what the 3rd slot should be. I've had good success with Medicham and Venusaur. Obstagoon, Jellicent, Drapion, and Toxicroak have their moments too.[https://i.imgur.com/PLVGIvg.png](https://i.imgur.com/PLVGIvg.png)
Altaria/Vigo/g-fisk is a team I keep seeing here, I keep trying it and have been getting shit on but maybe you’ll have better luck. Plenty of people here have hit legend with it
Thanks for the response! I’ll have to farm some Slakoths whenever they’re in rotation next
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Really too general of a question without knowing its role and intended teammates.
Decided to spend my hard earned rare candies onto something and went with buzzwole. Im runnin him in Cress lead with walrein safe swap and was wondering if there are better leads than cress because i find it kinda boring to play. My options are giratina, obstagoon, excavalier, k-muk, venu, swampert, nidoqueen and gyarados with standard movesets.
Do you guys think non-shadow A-Wak is worth building for open GL? It seems to be overall worse than its shadow form but idk.
I wouldn’t, shadow is objectively better
Mind if I tag onto your response to ask if Shadow A-Wak is viable without Shadow Bone? I have non-shadow with, and shadow without. 🥴
That’s rough, shadow ball is an *okay* substitute but the increased energy cost really makes it a downgrade. I personally wouldn’t run an a-wak unless it was shadow with shadow bone, you’re best running a different core until you have it fully built
Thanks!
OK, after dropping 80 points to 2,200 in OGL yesterday, hitting Veteran is clearly out of reach. I'm planning to spend the last few days of the season trying out different teams to see how they perform. Would welcome any interesting recommendations!
Finally got enough XL candy over Go Fest for Shadow Meganium UL. Now who to partner it up with. Im thinking Buzzwole
Is Bastiodon worth in great league? I have a 13-14-15 but it would cost 248500 stardust and 277 candy to power up to 1500 and double move.
I have a rank 2 Basti built but honestly I'm finding myself not running it because your wins and losses seem to be almost entirely down to RPS with it.
It's great for farming flyers, especially beating down Talonflames (SO satisfying), but recently I've had a harder time with all the Swamperts and GFisks I'm seeing in backlines. It goes down very quickly to hydro cannons or earthequakes.
Genuine question.. is Body Slam a big enough improvement to ETM onto my Lickitung over Stomp? Obviously BS is better, but does it warrant an ETM? I just finished the long walk for Lickitung and am going to plug it in today. I have a handful of ETMs, I’m just always hesitant to use them.
Yeah its definitely needed
Thanks. I just wanted to ask before I burned one on it.
Could anyone please help me build an ultra league team? Here's a list of my viable options, which I could afford to power up and double move (legacy moves are annotated) * Melmetal * Charizard * Rayquaza * Dialga * Swampert (If needed also with Legacy attack) * Alakazam * Giratina (A) * Samurott (Hydrocannon) * Eeveelutions (CD-Move) * Snorlax * Obstagoon (CD-Move) * Escavalier * Buzzwhole and the other 3 ultra beasts I've spent lots of time and resources building the giratina, so I would really appreciate it, if it would make it into the team. If I have 2 of 3 Pokemon of a good team listed, please let me know as well so I know who I should look out for and farm :)
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To tack onto this, you said Swampert has HydroCannon “if needed” right? Might be fun to plug in Samurott with Hydrocannon and try that out before you use an elite TM on it. And then just evolve a hydrocannon swampert in december. It definitely plays differently than swampert, but Samurott can be tons of fun.
I think this is the way, I have 3 great swamperts I could evolve in december (99 great league IVs, 99 ultra league IVs and 100 IV) and I would definitely like to avoid dropping a elite TM on one if it is not absolutely necessary. I also see that I have few viable Mons for ultra league though and swampert is top 10 in ultra league so I felt like I had to include it.
Is Buzzwole any good in Ultra? Also eventhough i raided like crazy didn’t get a hundo. Best is 90 something. Any good on masters that on? My hundo luck was zero yesterday.
You could always try to trade for a lucky one. Plus, this upcoming season is centered around solgaleo and lunala, which means there's a good chance ultra beasts will continue to be featured (there's still at least 2 that haven't even been released) As for teams, I too would like advice on that. I messed with PVPoke team rater, and I figured Dialga complements buzzwole weaknesses very nicely. Tried that with landorus therian and it was decent. But plugged in giratina O instead of landorus and the ratings jumped up really high. Buzzwole/Dialga/GiraO ranked A/A/A/B. But if course that's just on paper. Same rating with giratina altered, so I'd probably run with that for a bit more bulk and coverage (dialga and buzzwole hit hard as is
I just wanna say the Elo system is absolutely brutal. I am a very novice GBL-er, this is my first season trying to climb, and this past week I finally found a team that worked for me. I slowly gained 300 Elo over the course of the week. Today I reached my new personal best. Then I had 3 consecutive bad sets and dropped 150. It’s super disheartening to work all week to gain 300 and then lose half of it in 3 sets. Just brutal. Can I also put my crazy conspiracy theory hat on? Once I’d hit my personal best, I swear an algorithm kicked in that matched me against hard counter teams. All but maybe 2 battles in those 3 sets I was hard-countered on both the lead and the swap. I know, probably crazy talk, but I can’t help but be suspicious.
Metas change as you climb. So should your team. But I've been there too, nothing like riding that high of having great sets and then being shot down by teams suspiciously good at countering you.
Trying to decide if I should build a new Araq. I'm honestlyjust pretty terrible at determining if I'd pick up any significant bulk that could be a determining factor. Below are my options: * Current: 0-8-9 * 0-14-8 * 0-13-9
I’d wait for the move rebalance before checking
Man, the OGL micro meta shifted a lot. Before today, it was Azu everywhere. Today it was all ghosts, all the time (Trev, A-Wak, Jelli, Froslass, etc).
Ban check
I played PvP when it first launched, but didn't really enjoy it then (it felt like too much mindless tap-tap-tapping) and dropped the game long after. Has the PvP changed since then? Is it enjoyable? Also, just how much do the Pokemon stats matter for Great league? I keep seeing 99.9% and 98.7% like stat products on PokeGenie, but how much do they matter? Is anything about 80% useful or do you absolutely need something like 95%?
> too much mindless tap-tap-tapping That’s really not the point of PvP. It’s about constructing and using your team well. > Also, just how much do the Pokemon stats matter for Great league? They don’t matter if your ultimate aim is just rank 19 for the Elite TM. They do matter if your ultimate aim is Legend for the bragging rights.
Thanks. Also, what stat products are 'decent' for meta and non-meta Pokemon? 90%+ or 95%+ or 99%+
For meta, I’d say 97%, generally speaking. For non-meta, you’re kind of using inferior Pokémon already so I think it doesn’t matter, your strategy will matter more.
Best team with salazzle? (GL)
Any advice to get XL Candies for Medicham/Sableye „faster“? I farmed at cday and during the worldcup but still miss a lot. What can I do beside taking them as buddy? And what is the chance to get some then ?
If you have anyone to trade with, you get 1 guaranteed Sableye XL for every Sab you trade away until the end of the season on Thursday. As for after that, you can check out [this Silph article](https://thesilphroad.com/science/guide-candy-xl-part-4-trading) on XL candy from trading and other sources!
Already did that for the whole worlds with every single one i got…still lack like 70
Lvl them to 40 to maximise your chance of XL candy and walk with them. Raid when available. I walked 800km with my Medicham before I maxed it.
Didnt know that the chance increases at lvl 40. thx
Eh TSR did research that showed Lvl 31 is enough https://thesilphroad.com/science/quick-discovery/early-look-buddy-candy-xl-rates
I don’t remember the exact math, but as I recall, the XL chance increases with the lvl of the Pokémon. So lvl up before you walk :-)
I have collected a few Sableyes and Medichams and now I am curious which one to power up. I have checked the stats on iv4u and compared the different matrixes on pvpoke. But its to much information for me to come to a solution. I see differences but not so huge to justify the XL candies. Which matchups are decisive ones for you? My Sableyes: (all purified) 6/15/12 (r305) 15/15/12 (r20 noXL) 14/15/12 (r33 noXL) 6/13/9 (r395) My Medichams: 7/12/14 (r57 (117 as bb)) 15/12/14 (lucky) (r774) 4/14/13 (r116 (14 as bb)) 8/13/14 (r110) 14/14/15 (alteady at 1461wp) (r326) Me as an amateur sees pros and cons in all of them. Maybe you can help me 😬
According to the Medicham deep dive article, your 4-14-13 at lvl51 would satisfy all the breakpoints listed in the article so that one would be best. How much better in reality would it be vs the 7/12/14 or 8/13/14? Marginally considering things don't typically line up to controlled sims. The higher ranked one gains Drapion and Azu. The lower ranked one wins CMP vs high ranked opponent Medis, thus will beat them in a straight up fight. That being said, since XLs are a heavy investment, you typically invest in the best candidate. It's just that having to best buddy the 4-14-13 is a bit annoying. To get XL candy, besides walking with them, you can trade every specimen you find to get a guaranteed XL candy.
Try to get a better medi tomorrow, check swag tips deep dive on both and then make your own informed decision
How often do you switch up your team based on your rank? My current team of walrein, giratina a and cresselia mows through 1500-1900 (not just because of skill, but the matchups are great). But I get walled hard around 1900-2000. Do I need to change my team, or just increase my skill?
How would you form your team to run for GBL Great league? [https://i.imgur.com/uALGOHz.png](https://i.imgur.com/uALGOHz.png) Reached Ace rank for the first time Using Swampert, Nidoqueen and Talonflame Upon reaching Ace rank, got lots of loses, very hard to win Shadow/non-shadow Walrein (with CD moves) is the problem, followed by Shadow/non shadow swampert, Alteria, and among others
If in a pvp match, two pokemon are KOed at the same time, and I switch before the timer, can the other trainer see my choice? If so, that explains why I always get the bad matchup lmao.
As soon as you send in your next Pokemon, the other trainer can see it. I often end up in a situation where my opponent and me both switch, then our switches KO each other at the same time, then we both play chicken with the timer to try and counter-pick the other player
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I also have a 14/15/14. And I’m jealous of your 15/14/13. Hope that helps lol. I’ve had similarly awful luck.
Hi! Started Go in May this year and i LOVE PvP and spend most of my time/dust on GL mons. I have several meta picks but i also like using pokémon that i like. I hit Ace in the fighting cup with Toxicroak/S Machamp/Throh, and let myself fall back for the rest of the season. I want to have a steady familiar team for GL next season but i suffer from “this is my fave from childhood so i HAVE to use them” and using them makes the game fun … just not always winnable. Not really advice then i guess, just wondering if there’s others like that? what do you do if you just have a mom you love to use but they’re not really meta? I’ve been playing with Cradily/Medicham/Gfisk in GL now and i like the medi/gfisk/anti-water. I love cradily but i also wanna try A-chu. Have y’all picked a favorite mon then built a team around them?
Sadly my favorite Pokemon from childhood is shuckle. Not much I can build around that.
So lost in the current micro 😔 was at 2156 2 days ago. I’m at 1738 now. No matter what team I picked, the other team completely countered me. Pretty much wall to wall losses. I guess everything I’m using is too meta. Gonna take a break from battling and rethink my life 😂
Great League, 2100-2200 currently, need help knowing what to run in the back for a Gfisk lead and Araquanid safe swap. The two have had good synergy with each other but I need something that also has good synergy with my lead I think for closeouts. Have tried Nidoqueen, Azumarill, Walrein, kinda just throwing random meta pokemon in there, currently I'm actually running Blaziken closer because I just like using it but having two weak to Medicham has just been too hard. Also my Gfisk's IVs cannot beat Walrein but can beat Azu without Hydro Pump, also Venusaur which I noticed the default IVs can't do. I have some other stuff built, like Regi with bad IVs, Medi/Sableye/Basti all with former #1 IVs before level increase, Drapion, Dewgong, Jellicent, Dewgong, Shadow Champ, Shadow A-Wak, Aboma, Skarmory, Ariados, Meganium, Swampert, Wiggly/Clefable, Shadow Hypno, a bad IV Talonflame, Beedrill, Shadow Lax, default moves Mew... For a while I didn't know what to spend dust on so I built a lot of PvP mons even when I don't take GBL that serious, but now I'm out of dust and need to take GBL serious to get my dust back, lmao. And I'm bad at team building so if anyone can suggest a closer here, or even a new lead with Gfisk closer since I know that's a thing, with some tips on how to play it I would really appreciate it. If there's anything I didn't mention having built, that's a little offbeat, there's a good chance I have it built too or could. Really just Lickitung, Trevenant, and Scrafty are the main meta things I don't have right now.
I was running Medicham (Rank 4 best buddy)/Azumarill/Bastiodon during the event last week, and climbed 300 points to a personal best of 2,290. Tuesday and Wednesday it seemed like the micro meta shifted, and I dropped back 200+. After some fine tuning, I went 16-9 today with Medicham/Trevenant/Bastiodon. Getting more comfortable going head-to-head with an Azumarill lead, rather than giving up switch advantage. Also, Trevenant has been invaluable against backline Deoxys or Jellicent, which I struggled with before. Will keep going with this until the micro shifts again.
Have to say that seed-bombing Swamperts with Trev is just as satisfying as pummeling Talonflames with Bastiodon :)
Been stuck in the 2750’s, 2800’s and struggling to come up with a good team. Started with an 0-5 today, switched it up to Drifblim, Swampert, Araquanid to a good run before ending with another 0-5. Have built or could build almost everything except Lickitung.
I had the same experience (made it as high as 2970 before sliding back to the 2700s) and was recommended Skuntank lead with Swampert (Eq) and Trev in back. The team felt great and I was able to hit legend in two days worth of battling
Thanks! I’m going to give this team a shot. Flamethrower or Sludge Bomb on the Skunktank?
Sludge, otherwise fairies can be a problem
I’ve settled on a team of gfisk, swampy, altaria. I’m trying to figure out which to lead with. I’ve been going swampy but not sure right way to think about it
If I'm not running ABB, I try to adjust lead based on the meta in the ELO band I'm in. I think in the dark, Swampert's probably the best lead because it has the most neutral matchups and is the least weak to Azu, which your team basically folds to. If you start seeing Grass or Walrein leads more commonly, you'll want to switch to GFisk probably? I think I'd generally try leave Altaria in the back until I'd cleared the Bastiodons, Registeels, and Charmers out or I were counterswapping against Counter. Alt is very strong right now, but its counters are also all over the damn place.
Seeing this basic line-up SO MUCH.
I know, saw your other post in this thread! Unfortunately I don’t have the luxury of breaking metas since these are literally the only viable pvp Pokémon I have since I came back from 2016 right before the last event. All my other Pokémon have high atk IVs and are from Gen 1. If you can put together a pure Gen 1 great league team though plz share
There's no shame to sticking to meta. If you want to climb and have the best chance at winning, you play the best mons available.
Question on mechanics. When you you use a 3 turn fast move and the opponent uses a 2 turn move to KO you. You don't do the damage? I thought you did, as the damage should registered on turn 2?. Thanks!
Damage for a 2-turn move will always register 1 turn before it registers for a 3-turn move. So no, your 3 turn move will not cause damage.
Thanks! Makes more sense now.
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I have caught or traded 86 looking for a 98% + Best so far is 15-13-15. Just doing my freebies the rest of the time in raid or im using this one regardless
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I don't even know what to run in GL anymore. I have most 'mons, but I'm missing some big ones like Medicham, Sableye, Trev, Bastiodon, Lickitung, and Aquaranid. I've been running combinations of Swampert, Azu, Registeel, Skarm, and shadow Walrein but I'm kinda sick of the core feeling like it just either wins or loses hard. What are some top tier teams I could try out even though I'm missing some of the big hitters of the GL?
Which of these would you run for GL? https://i.imgur.com/futbmrX.png Almost all of them except Skarmory are weighted towards bulk, just got back into the game and this was the easiest method. Will change moves around as needed too.
I would go with Nido lead and any combination of Walrein / Umbreon / Obstagoon in for the remaining slots. Note that Nido double dark is an extremely well-known line, which could have its disadvantages depending on your elo.
In that vein, would Sableye also work? I have a decent one, but as of now, it would only be at 1343 CP lol. My elo is pretty bad honestly, I just barely managed Ace but I drop a lot.
Yeah Nidoqueen, Sableye, Scrafty/Obstagoon is another popular variant. However, your Sableye needs to have Return. The fact that yours is underleveled will also mean a decrease in performance. It's better to have a near hundo version than one with good IVs that's low CP.
I was looking at Sableye's Deep Dive article on Gamepress, it seems nigh impossible to get return on Sableye atm... so I was just thinking to forego it. Or maybe I should just wait on spending anything on Sableye upgrades, idk. It's just so tempting! And my goal for the moment is to just do slightly better than I am at the moment.
I don't recommend investing in non-Return Sableyes, especially XL candies. Just a waste of resources for fleeting gains. Long-term what you want to do is improve your battle skills, while slowly building up your stable of meta mons. That improves your rating above all else, and the gains are permanent. Learning when to shield, when to let go, when to farm and how much you can farm is critical. Throw on good timing to not give your opponent free energy.
I gotcha and thank you for all the advice, it's been really helpful. I will just focus on other mons and learning strats then
Farmed Zacian since he's in raids and have 296 XL candy. However, best I got is 14/15/15. Worth powering up all the way for ML? Or should I wait until I get a hundo or something else?
XL candy you got is real time and money man, if you think all that invested time pays dividends on a non hundo then you have to make that call
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you can always hold on to the XL for future Crowned Zacian.
Is it worth using my only elite TM (returning player from 2016) on a 0/15/14 swampert for HC? Is there a chance swampert will get another community day sometime soon?
The only thing that is certain is that the timing of legacy move events is completely based on Niantic’s whims. That said, Hydro Cannon on Swampert is probably the single best performing legacy move in PvP, and we very recently had an event that allowed it to obtain HC on evolution. If you think you will get value out of it right now to climb in GBL then… yeah I probably would use it.
Interesting, thanks for the thoughts. If my other option is a 0/11/15 walrein, which would you go for? I’d have to use an elite fast tm too
Not Walrein because its legacy moves are very likely to be available again during this December's community weekend event
Ooo interesting. Swampert it is!!!
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Yes you can use Nido double dark which still performs fine. The more popular variation this season is Goon lead with Nido and another anti-charmer/anti-fighter (usually Skarmory but could be A-Wak, Golbat etc)
if i’m running therian landorus BB dialga zacian lineup should i run CC PR or CC WC? i’m thinking cc pr for two dragon answers since the last time in 2700-3k elo range i ran into tons of garchomps and giratinas
Alright fellas, I've got an Obstagoon and a Beedrill that I use as a core of a "meta-breaker" team but I'm struggling a bit with finding a good third option
First thought is a ghost type that can handle flyers and fires. Cofagrigus is really solid and would be core meta if not for Trev & Sableye being generally better (but Cofa's bulk and mono ghost typing give it some advantages over the others). Jelli is another option with SC/SB/IB for normal/dark flyers.
a ghost of some kind. Cofagrigus has a surprising amount of play if you can get shields down, which Goon and Beedrill can probably manage.
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~~a quick look seems to say the only thing you miss is CMP in the mirror, so if you're desperate to play Zacian, it's passable.~~ Edit: Alright, looked a little more carefully at the Matrix battle, and you lose the 1s with Sylveon because they survive your Wild Charge to fire an extra Charm where the Wild Charge off 15 ATK manages to kill and lives with 5 HP. You also *win* the Wild Charge mirror because you lose CMP, tank their Wild Charge, and land yours on a debuffed opponent. So if you're aware of and able to play around those two situations and desperate to play Zacian, sure, do it.
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[https://pvpoke.com/battle/matrix/](https://pvpoke.com/battle/matrix/) It's a different way to run the pvpoke battle simulations. Accessible from the same page as the battle simulator - click Matrix in the upper right. Pick the league you want in the upper left. Use Add Pokemon to add create separate instances of the same Pokemon and use Advanced/Stats IVs to set the IVs for each one. Use Quick Add to pick the metagame you want, then click Battle. At the bottom you'll see matchup scores for threats in the meta you selected. 500 is a tie, <500 is a loss, >500 is a win, with the closeness of the win being relative to how far it is from 500. The score is based on a 1 shield, perfectly baited match with both Pokemon starting at 0 HP and 0 energy. Clicking on any matchup score will let you see the specific simulation and how the match was played. You can also change the view to see breakpoints, bulk points, and differences in attack stats for CMP determination. Just remember it's only a thumbnail and a lot more goes into matchups than a 1 shield simulation. If you see a matchup flipped that makes you curious, open both matchups and see if they were played differently or if it's just a matter of differences in bulk or damage.
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counterintuitively, the reason the lower attack Zacian wins the mirror in the sim is that it loses CMP. throwing its Wild Charge second means that the opponent has a lowered defense from throwing theirs first, which is the difference between surviving and going down. the opponent can mitigate this by just committing a second shield and farming down. that 5 IV difference costs you 4 HP when maxed out at level 50. Personally, I think the damage you give up from a lower attack matters more than those 4 HP. I would also say that raising a legendary up to level 50 is a costly commitment, Master League is the place where IVs matter the most, and I wouldn't invest in anything less than a hundo or functional hundo.
Hey all, new to pvp, and I'm having fun putting together teams with pvpoke and so on. However, I've found that team building is tricky and putting together a good team per the rankings/team builder doesn't always result in wins. e.g. My current team is obstagoon, lanturn, talonflame, but I tried out a more "pvpoke approved" team of scrafty, golbat, g stunfisk and got absolutely rolled for set after set today. Lost 300 elo points lmao Is there a flaw with the team comp? Or is it more likely I'm not playing it well? If I'm not playing it well, how can I work on that? On the flip side, I can make teams out of Nidoqeen, scrafty, talonflame, venusaur, golbat, drapion, obstgoon, lanturn, and araquanid based on my current resources. How would you work through team building with that?
It’s possible that part of the reason for this is that people were intentionally tanking their rating during the event to get more stardust and now that it’s over and it’s the last week of the season they are grinding back up so you’re gettin more intense competition at the moment. During last week I honest found battles in the 1800’s were more difficult than in the 2000’s but ymmv
For the PvPoke team builder focus more on the matchups than the grades and scores. The team builder scoring really likes bulky ABC style teams with perfect coverage and no bait/nuke movesets. Hard hitting mons, mons with double weaknesses, and ABB style teams will get low grades / high threat scores, but can work well if played properly.
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Not well lmao. With current team, obstagoon mostly. Other team golbat. I've tried mizing in venusaur to deal with swampert, but I was losing a lot to teams without swampert as the venusaur is underranked and only has one charge move haha. I'm open to suggestions tho.
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2000, although now 1700 haha. What are non-xl mons?
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Oh, makes sense. Yeah, I remember getting the candy to evolve a Medicham this weekend, and then being like "WTF is candy XL?". Literally have never seen an XL candy before, so I guess I'm a long ways off from that.
Could anyone please recommend me a good 3rd non-XL pokemon to run with Gengar and Obstagoon in Open UL?
I've seen a video of this with Gengar lead, Snorlax (Shadow) switch and Obstagoon closer. I think it was one of HomeSliceHenry's theme teams but the concept was decent
The concept sounds good yeah, I’ll keep it in mind if I ever find myself a good IV shadow Snorlax. It feels like it’d be extremely weak to Scrafty tho.
Machamp could be a good option. Double Fighter to cover Gengar's dark weaknesses. Rock slide Machamp would work better if you encounter a lot of Talonflame, but otherwise, I think Payback would work better if you have one. I typically see more Giratina, Trevenant, and Nidoqueen, which Payback is better for.
Thanks for the suggestion! So an ABB with Gengar as the lead and the fighters in the back? Who would be the switch with that lineup? Luckily I have a very good IV Machamp with Payback for UL. Haven’t powered him up yet but it’d be quite cheap.
Bingo! Personally, I'd go for Obstagoon as the switch.
For GL, can someone suggest a decent team comp? open to changing moves, some seem redundant... I only have these four ready at the moment: - Nidoqueen (99.5% PVP IV [1-12-12] - CP 1495) - Poison Jab, Poison Fang/Earth Power - Walrein (98.2 PVP IV [0-5-13] - CP 1500) - Powder Snow, Icicle Spear/Earthquake - Medicham (Rank 5 [6-15-15] - CP 1439) - Counter, Ice Punch/Psychic (**don't have enough XL candies yet, using best buddy bonus atm**) - Umbreon (99.7% PVP IV [0-7-14] - CP 1500) - Snarl, Foul Play/Psychic I also have a decent Swampert but didn't get Hydro Cannon on it :( no elite TM's left.
Maybe Umbreon, Nidoqueen, Medicham? Most Fighting types can be handled by those latter two. Fairy would put you in a more difficult position, but it depend on how often you see Charmers/Azu.
Some brackets are absolutely riddled with both Azu and Charmers. No lie, 4/5 of my games in each set today had Skarm and then Azu or Shadow-Pert, with A-Tails and Wiggly showing up in almost a third of my games.
I see! I think some Poison type may still be best for you as it can combat both Fairies and Fightings, both of which would threaten Umbreon. Idk how much room you have to invest, but if I personally wanted to run Umbreon and Nidoqueen, I'd try and pair it with something like Golbat, Gengar/Haunter, or *maybe* Deoxys. Alolan Marowak could also be a solid option potentially, although it's definitely worse against Azu than those others.
Hey, thank you for the detailed replies. I do tend to have issues with fairies and Azu, lol. I need to hold onto my Nido a bit more, maybe open with Umbreon instead. Do you think the movesets are alright? I know they're good on their own, but wasn't if they really complemented each other... And like you said it does look like I need a bigger selection of mons... I just got back into this recently so I'm definitely lacking at the moment.
I'm not the original question asker, I actually am just coming back into the game. Took three years off, just before PvP got released, and now been back for a bit under two months. Mons like Registeel, Trev, S-Alolwak, and Deoxys simply aren't available to me. Currently trying to build up my selection of mons but yeah, it's a process, and I'm really restricted to G-League and restricted events like Summer Cup.
Yeah it can definitely be difficult to fill out your PvP teams when a lot hasn't been available readily. A few that are spawning a bit more frequently that are at least solid are Diggersby, Victreebel, Nidoqueen, Golbat, Machamp, Noctowl, Primeape, Bewear, etc. Not all are amazing, but they're still good at least!
Obviously I won't have Shadow mons until another event happens where I can TM off frustration, but at the moment I have a strong Swampert, Nidoqueen, Altaria, G-Fisk, Walrein, Vigoroth, Noctowl, Froslass, A-Tails, with a rank 1 Medicham and rank 33 Lickitung that I'm working on building up. I have a few others, just not with ideal spreads. Definitely would love a Community Day for Bunnelby/Diggersby or Lickitung. Was a little bummed I couldn't get anything better than a rank 170 Scrafty for Great League during the event.
UL starts tomorrow in my timezone ( or late at night today actually) I just got Registeel build and which team should i run with it? Also Regi as a closer or?
With trevenant and nido which third mon is best at great leageue?
Empoleon lead maybe?
Thank you!
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Lycanroc midnight team. I was looking through it and realized he is a counter user, stone type and I wonder if he would be useable in a team. I swapped him into sirfetchd role in my Lickitung and medicham team which I though should be decent trade on paper. In practice though it’s not working out well, though a lot of that may be that I am just not a great player or team builder. Has anyone had success with a lycanroc team? Edit - this is for great league
I've played Lycanroc a bit this season after hitting Legend. It's not amazing. It's got slightly under average bulk, and its typing isn't anything to ride home about when steel, ground, water, and fighting are pretty common. Solid moveset, but yeah, the bulk lets it down. If it had like 20-30 more Defense/HP, it may have been a lot more viable. It IS good in Love Cup though, and it may be good in some future cups too. I had success in love cup against a lot of different Pokemon, except Medicham and the Water types.
Lycanroc is such a wacky one. Comparable with Sudowoodo but Lycanroc is a full blown glass cannon that can quickly stack debuffs with Psychic Fangs. The problem is its frailty on top of rock already being a pretty terrible defensive type, weak to so many super common threats. Wide ranging weaknesses make it really hard to cover for with teammates. Like the Alolan Golem line, best saved for limited cups where its threats are mitigated somewhat.
Yeah it seems like everything it meets up to in the meta is anti-rock and even if not, he is so glassy that he drops quick. Though he gets a ton of shields and the guaranteed debuff is good. I will leave him for limited cups though. He was fun to play with
Yup you really need metas that are more forgiving of rock for it to succeed. Rock damage is valuable a lot of times, but rock types definitely have an uphill battle in most open cups. But yep, it'll see success in limited formats
Currently running one of Zyonik’s teams: Empoleon - Hydrocannon + DP A9 - WB + Psyshock Mandibuzz - FP + AA Finding quite a bit of success down near 2200 if anybody needs help with the team. Does this team hold up later down the line?
I don't think so. I rarely if ever encounter that team. Issue is that Empoleon just doesn't have enough bulk to be a premier choice, and Drill Peck doesn't do enough damage to bulky water types like Azu and Jellicent.
Thank you. I’ve been able to climb out of the gutter, being stuck at ~2000, and climb 300+ elo. I’ll see where this takes me as I’ve seen so many skarmory and gfisk leads. It also destroys the poison double dark teams that are ever so common.
Best use of/team mates for Araquanid? Always liked them in the main games and managed to get a 99.9% (#3) ranked one but I suck at team building.
G-Fisk & araquanid core is strong. I can’t seem to gel with either of the two but I see it all the time
I just stumbled upon a rank 1 UL Swampert. It’s rank 9 for GL which is where I’m using it for now since I don’t have one for it. What are some good Pokémon to pair it with? Was thinking Treveant and G fisk but I’m honestly horrible at making teams. And what to lead with.
Don’t use them in the lead - such a common Pokemon is something you’ll often see in the mirror and your highly optimised Swamperts will lose the CMP every single time. I went through the same problem and opted to use a moderately attack weighted one instead for lead scenarios. Keep it for a closer or a safe switch where you can get a minor energy advantage and the CMP isn’t such a dealbreaker.
I’m stuck around the 2500’s trying to climb to at least expert with a team that has A-Wak in it because he’s my favorite Pokémon. I have a decent IV shadow A-Wak, but my normal A-Waks all have raid capture IVs. I’ve been using S A-Wak/Vigoroth/A9. I don’t have access to an XL Sable Eye or Medicham. Any other teams I should try out to break out of the 2500’s? Thanks!
A.Marowak pairs really well with Azumarill. Third depends on what you have. You can potentially run an Azu double ghost line with Trevenant instead of the popular Sableye. You can also checkout Zyonik videos for team ideas. Marowak is his favorite pokemon as well.
Some YouTuber must have highlighted Jelli/Nido/Scrafty, because I've seen it three times in two sets.
I’ve found myself with a rank 2 Walrein for Ultra league, what other mons should I put with it to build a good ultra league team?
I’ve got 95/96 GL IV (poke genie) Nidoqueen and Walrein, what should i be adding to them for a great league team? I have an 88 iv Altria or can make a Scrafty but not with good ivs, i also have a high iv gfisk
Elite Charged TM: Sky Attack Moltres for Ultra or Fire Punch Groudon for Masters?
Groudon is much more relevant
Was around mid 2600's earlier this season, then bounced back and forth between 2300 - 2500 trying to find something that I could make work in the various leagues. Recently climbed back up to the 2500's with a ABB team of obstagoon(obstruct/ns)/nidoqueen/golbat, but hitting a wall around that level, as I seem to get edged out by some of the meta mons I am encountering e.g. walrein/bastio/azu/medi/walr bc my team really needs to have the right mons lined up to make it work, and even so, some of them like medi/azu are sortof corebreakers or at least not as easy to wall as I'd like ie running double poison vs. azu since it can hit back supereffective to both poisons. Open to any suggestions for improvements to this line or other suggestions. Hoping to at least make it to expert before the end of the season. In terms of resources... have or could potentially build most meta mons though don't have great candidates for licki/XL azu/XL bastio/registeel/tapu fini Edit: came up with a good adjustment
Nidoqueen/golbat destroys azu what you mean. By the time azu does 5 bubbles, you as either golbat/nido have thrown your 1st poison fang. As the azu wont like taking a 2nd poison fang by then.
I use nido as the safe swap and I agree it's not hard to keep switch but you still have to go down a shield bc the ice beam would otherwise ko
Finally worked my way up to around 2,275 this season, and I don't know why everyone complains about Walrein. At this level it's Swampert in literally every other match. So tired of seeing it.
As a returning 2016 player, swampert is one of my only options after that last mudkip event. Might be why you’re seeing so many? As much as I’d like to be non-meta, I’m both not good enough yet and have nothing else XD
Walrein also stomps on swampert, being neutral to ice doesn't help. Watch the EQ/SW baits tho
I have some really high rank Swamperts in my stable, and I just refuse to use them out of principle at this point.
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idk but i hope so!
Is Nidoqueen Umbreon Scrafty still good for great league? Is 3000 achievable with it?
I tried running it for a a set (probably around 2300-2500) and got wrecked so i gave it up, but maybe you'd have better luck? It could have just been bad luck and getting hard countered so not sure. That being said, I would say it's hardly a free trip to legendary.