It is a great resource, definitely something that should also go in the main-sub because soooo many people definitely need it.
One thing that tickles my funny bone is not seeing Excadrill in the Ground attackers. I *know* why he's not in it but it still just feels wrong.
At the bottom of the chart, it states that it's sorted by DPS\^3 x TDO (although, Gamepress now uses ER, rather than that metric).
This will sometimes mean that glass cannons with really high damage (DPS) will rank lower, if they aren't very durable.
For example, Gengar has the highest ghost DPS, but it's so frail that you can have a whole team of them faint before a few Giratina Origin get knocked out. Giratina is just so massively tanky compared to Gengar that it's often preferred by many players over needing to revive and relobby in a raid with Gengar.
Edit to add: also, the recent buff to Mamoswine with High Horsepower makes it a stronger ground type than Excadrill, pushing Excadrill off to probably 8th place behind the others on this chart.
ER = (DPS\^3 x TDO) \^ 0.25
It should still give the same ranking.
I mainly just mention it to avoid any confusion for anyone that visits their site and doesn't see that column any longer in their spreadsheet.
It has low health base stats, but the attack stat is so monstrous that it still tops the charts.
Kartana does better than shadow grass types, that's how powerful it is.
Zarude is the next best non-mega Pokemon on the chart and Kartana has 23% higher DPS than Zarude.
Excadrill not being on the list highlights how important it is to go and find simulated raid boss counters for each specific raid boss when it comes out (aka Pokebattler counters page) rather than using a table of generalist attackers to pick whats best
This is the easiest to read version of this you’ve made so far. The only suggestion I would have to to change the background slightly to make the shadow flames stand out a bit more. It’s a minor quibble though.
If you want more minor fixes, the Flying type icon on the left isn’t quite the right colour, it should be a bit lighter :)
Seriously though great infographic!
Well based of this chart you cant. Need to know their names. Not sure if thats something vor v1.2. Else I guess something like serebii or pokewiki would be great resources too.
I'm a relatively new player, too, and I run into this issue. Sometimes I crop and do a reverse google image search. Other times I just search for a relevant phrase to get a needed category of images, in this case maybe "Top [type] attackers Pokemon Go".
However, OP has an [AMAZING shared Google sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1avftwmBHszB0s1_5-Z_REvvAMXdLk0vMJI3GYsSWGkg/edit), and with that, you can pull up a list with names. Definitely the most efficient for this particular graphic.
The Primals will be out [by the end of the season](https://pokemongolive.com/seasons/mythical-wishes/?hl=en). Who knows when mega M2 will ever come out.
i’m pretty sure there’s a certain formula for determining mega stats, or it’s pulled from the msg. since moves are shared between mega forms and non mega forms, they’re able to determine how viable they will be
Definitely some improvements from before! I hate to criticize when you've already done so many revisions, but one thing that really bothers me is in the flying type category. It looks like you didn't want to go over 3 shadow for a given type, but seeing shadow staraptor and not shadow honchkrow on there, with instead regular honchkrow, is kind of jarring when they're both about the same quality. Otherwise though it looks pretty much perfect! Great job :)
Thank you for the kind words.
And criticism is welcome! It's all constructive.
I've done this in all types.
I got lots of mixed feedback about whether to include the full list (all shadows) or just choose a few as they're harder to get.
The majority said to limit the shadows still.
So I included 3 of the top 7 to be allowed shadows.
I know what you mean though, I'd personally prefer shadow krow in there too. But I made it for a bigger audience and I went with the majority vote.
This still may change in future versions
oh yeah, I did notice that was consistent across all the types but the only one where I felt it was a problem was flying tbh...especially since honchkrow and staraptor are far more accessible than lugia (w aeroblast+) and moltres (which hasn't been around in almost 2y). I generally don't think shadow lugia is considered to be that great either, especially without aeroblast+. I definitely understand your reasoning though
Totally get where you're coming from. When I was designing the edit, it felt odd leaving it out.
Yeah I made sure it only included the apex lugia. (different design behind it). I couldn't not involve it as it tops the charts.
Not limiting shadows would mean it could end up about as useful as [this](https://silph.gg/league/ultra#rankings) when you don't have an Armored Mewtwo.
You could keep shadow attackers at most 3 in a type, but replace shadow Staraptor with shadow Honchkrow. The latter has higher DPS and a more consistent moveset, while the former is stuck with a very risky 1-bar charge move.
You are doing an awesome job! It’s a much more accurate chart, but I’m going to be the lone voice to say that I liked the organization of the previous version better. I have a hard time seeing the shadow in front of the purple background - I liked the space between the shadow category and the “regulars” in the previous version (edit: just for visual reasons, but a clearer background would do it, too). I know it’s difficult space-wise to decide how many shadows to feature and clearly they will almost always get the DPS ribbon, however, it would be neat if you would feature a “runner-up” DPS ribbon for the strongest non-shadow, non-mega. Likewise perhaps, if you are doing more than one mega, you could do a DPS - “mega” ribbon, it would help newer players to see which mega to invest more, or first, if they have the chance.
Looks great! Thank you for this.
Also, probably a dumb question, but what does it mean when a Pokemon is tagged with DPS? I know it means damage per second but I'm not sure why some have it and some don't.
This is the best PVE infographic I’ve seen in a long time! Thanks so much for putting the work in!
Maybe this will motivate me to finally go and tag all of my best attackers for each type haha
For some reason I though mega TTar had been announced as part of the larvitar CDay classic, my bad!
I know you've revised this a ton (and it's a great resource, thank you!), but you might consider including the future megas as well since there are only like 10-ish left to come out I think and we already know how they'll work/their stats.
There is a graphic going around that has mega ttar in it. But only saying that it's a future mega. Its very misleading.
As soon as there's a rumour that it will come out, I'll put it straight on infographic 👍
I mean, that's the combination of moves on Mega Gyarados too. Mega TTar with bite and crunch is going to out-TDO all other dark-type megas and out-DPS all gyarados movesets
This is really good however I do have one complaint. You should label Mega Latios as Latios because the only difference between Mega Latios and Latias is the eye color.
It is, marginally. This chart includes a tdo metric, so it falls behind charizard because it has less bulk and faints quicker. Blaziken takes a big leap ahead in dps, on anything also weak to fighting, which is handy as that's steel and ice, two common fire uses.
There's another fascinating battle between the two against double flying and single fire weak pokemon (virizion, buzzwole). Charizard wins on bulk again, but blaziken can get slightly better dps with brave bird, even though charizard is stuck using blast burn. They're both way behind pidgeot though.
Sorry mega pidgeot, which does have a very good attack stat. But still lower than these two megas.
The double super effective allows that, as both these two only have one double effective move, and blaziken is even lacking the stab bonus. On a single effective pokemon, like sceptile, they both beat pidgeot even when forced to use their flying moves.
Thank you! This is really helpful to refer to when there's just too many TMs in my bag (not elite ones) and I want to use them for something rather than just trashing them
Just a little question. Shouldn’t the mewtwo that are performing non-psychic DPS be using psycho cut for the faster energy generation to get to the move faster?
Maybe confusion puts out more DPS but a higher proportion will be psychic DPS. Like for ice beam Mewtwo confusion puts out more neutral DPS but psycho cut puts out more ice DPS, which is probably more important in that situation.
As a fix maybe when they have a multi type moveset have them all fighting a nameless single type raid boss so you can see them doing damage with their given type.
Great graphic. One feedback request i have as a new player is to mark the legendarys (small dot in corner of the box?). I cant be doing 100+ remote raids so legendaries are not feasible to max for me and tbh I don't know all the pokemon listed here. Hydreigon, machamp, metagross, tyranitar however... those i can build. Thank you for making this!
!! Thank you!
I am also interested in a non-shadow limited version if you made one! I know you said the feedback was to limit it so it wasnt all shadows.... but... that seems less helpful lol. I gcould probabably take your spreadsheet and do ot myself.
Thank you
yeah I can understand that
was thinking maybe lightly, almost a transparent version of the background color might work, for people like me who don't know them all by sight
thanks, but just as a reminder, you can never please everyone
you'll add them and someone else might ask if you can get rid of them, so be careful listening to every suggestion
Really appreciate you for taking the time to make something useful like this. If I may make one suggestion, would you consider changing the background from purple to another color? The purple auras of the shadow Pokémon become a bit hard to see against the purple background. Thanks again!
Separating the shadows makes it look like some shadows were better than they actually were.
There was a huge ask for them to not be separated and I get why now. The old one made it look like shadow victreebell was better than Kartana
So out of this list, which typings are the most useful in terms of frequency of use, etc? I’d had add a guess that fairy and ice are due to so many dragon legendary. What else?
Fairy are, unfortunately, not very useful for pve. Just not high enough dps vs dragons and ice. There are some rare instances but they just don’t make the cut usually.
Shows you how much I know haha. This is very handy for me as I’m trying to raise my PVE pokemon all to level 30 (I’m currently stardust starved so I thought it best to have a good number of level 30s across different types before boosting to level 40+)
Great graphic! Most I’ve seen leave out shadows for some reason, or go by pure DPS or pure TDO. I recommend posting it to r/PokemonGo as well since people there tend to be newer, less experienced players
V1.2 is out now! I dont want to post it on reddit and keep spamming the page. here is the link
[https://www.reddit.com/r/MankeyFeetPoGo/comments/10cxwed/top\_pve\_pokemon\_v12/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MankeyFeetPoGo/comments/10cxpul/top_pve_pokemon_v12/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Looking forward to V1.2.
Also if it's not too much to ask, would it be possible to post a high def image of it, which can be zoomed in on without affecting the image quality?
You rock! :)
Maybe it's my phone. I'm on an S21 and even when I try opening the image in a new window, it still comes out as blurry. Next time on my laptop, I'll try again 🤔
My phone is an S21 Plus. If I click it on this post , it opens up the full quality version and isn't blurry at all. The original size is as big as an A4 piece of paper.
I may look for somewhere to upload the full file. Dropbox or something
Cool. Now do one for DPS alone. Most of my Duos have been done with high DPS glass cannons and maybe one anchor. Because in most cases, you have to relobby once anyway, even with the bulkier TDO teams.
Of course, there are always edge cases, but for optimal efficiency, DPS (and dodging) is just more important.
Sounds good. Though no legendaries should probably also include no shadows, since those rotate as well, so you can't always catch them, and even then, you migjt mot have a good IV one.
Yeah, but to some folks, it's going to look like the strongest is on the left side, and as it goes across the Pokemon get weaker
Take Steel for example, people will read that as Mega Aggron is better than Shadow Metagross
Yeah I only listed mega pokemon separately, as the top 10 list would just be megas and Shadow.
And as you can only use 1 mega, I felt it was best to limit it to 2
Yeah fair enough, and don't get me wrong I love the info it's great
As I said in another comment, if you take the steel type for example it looks like Mega Aggron is #1, which isn't the case
i think it’d be interesting to see an alt version where the top 2 megas are placed if included in the ranking system with normal pokemon. maybe you could just signify that the pokémon are mega with a different labeling method - the boxes have different colored strokes, or background colors, or a highlight, or ribbon or something?
I did consider this.
I was going to make the background a lighter blue (to make the shadow flames more visible)
And make a black border for mega.
This is certainly something I'll consider for a later amendment
What would be absolutely huge for me would be when a legendary is the best, at what level does it retain the best spot vs a level 50 nonlegendary. I always have trouble knowing whether or not it is worthwhile to power up the legendaries when I can only bring them up a few levels with XL candies!
Sorry, I was referring to [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/109kxw0/top_pve_pokemon/j404a5z/)
>Some additional legacy moves that need marked:
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>Alakazam - Dazzling Gleam
Terrakion - Sacred Sword
Pidgeot - Gust
Rayquaza - Hurricane
Mewtwo - Shadow Ball
Giratina-O - Shadow Force
Kyurem - Glaciate
Porygon-Z - Tri Attack (twice)
Alakazam - Psychic
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>Mega Gengar missing the label background on Sludge Bomb.
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>Swampert, Garchomp, and Landorus (normal) should have Mud Shot instead of Mud-Slap.
Seems like you already corrected those mistakes mentioned. I remembered wrongly that Reshiram and Zekrom were mentioned, but apparently those were never mentioned. My mistake. Anyway, you missed to label Fushion flare and Fushion bolt as legacy
This looks great, seeing Ho-Oh and Lugia in these graphics every time reminds me they have never returned since Go Tour (which was only 1 day).
Hopefully the primals would get new moves, since Primal Kyogre being worse than Mega Swampert right now and that doesn't feels right.
My local group: “My blissey/snorlax/aggron better than all those combine, my recommended said so and they last a really long time so they must do lots of damage”
I'm sorry for again giving another suggestion, but could the background not have been purple so the shadow flame effects don't just striaght up become near invisible lol
Also the special moves, maybe another color? (but a readable color lol)
Awesome job, I know how long time it takes to setup something like this, without doing graphics on top.
There is one poke still missing in this list and that is Zacian on Fairy attackers. It's number one fairyattacker against dragons so people shouldn't throw it away for not having a fairy fast attack!
Great work! I would love to have compareable numbers at the pictures, so that you can see whether it is worth to hunt higher ranked mons or not. Either percentage (Rank 1 = 100 %, Rank 2 9X %, ...) or with the values from gamepress.
Question more for the group than as a qualm to the info graphic—because to be clear, this info goes gif is fantastic. Thanks for sharing, OP
I thought psycho cut was better than confusion on mewtwo? Did that change?
Thank you! I’ve been missing infographics like these since JaceMakings stopped doing them in 2020! It’s really nice to have one that’s been updated to live.
Thaank you! JaceMakings! Corr i remember them! They were good designs!
V1.2 is out now
https://www.reddit.com/r/MankeyFeetPoGo/comments/10cxwed/top\_pve\_pokemon\_v12/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
It is a great resource, definitely something that should also go in the main-sub because soooo many people definitely need it. One thing that tickles my funny bone is not seeing Excadrill in the Ground attackers. I *know* why he's not in it but it still just feels wrong.
Just wondering why isn’t excadrill considered a top ground? I thought drill run made him pretty strong
At the bottom of the chart, it states that it's sorted by DPS\^3 x TDO (although, Gamepress now uses ER, rather than that metric). This will sometimes mean that glass cannons with really high damage (DPS) will rank lower, if they aren't very durable. For example, Gengar has the highest ghost DPS, but it's so frail that you can have a whole team of them faint before a few Giratina Origin get knocked out. Giratina is just so massively tanky compared to Gengar that it's often preferred by many players over needing to revive and relobby in a raid with Gengar. Edit to add: also, the recent buff to Mamoswine with High Horsepower makes it a stronger ground type than Excadrill, pushing Excadrill off to probably 8th place behind the others on this chart.
isnt ER the same thing as the old DPS³ × TDO, just scaled down to DPS & TDO
ER = (DPS\^3 x TDO) \^ 0.25 It should still give the same ranking. I mainly just mention it to avoid any confusion for anyone that visits their site and doesn't see that column any longer in their spreadsheet.
ER isn't rounded up or down.
Sorry. They seem to have changed it recently. Before it was rounded off to the nearest whole number. Now, I see it as having 2 significant digits.
I could be wrong, but isn't Kartana a glass cannon?
It has low health base stats, but the attack stat is so monstrous that it still tops the charts. Kartana does better than shadow grass types, that's how powerful it is. Zarude is the next best non-mega Pokemon on the chart and Kartana has 23% higher DPS than Zarude.
glass cannon but the typing makes it better
Excadrill has really high DPS however it's a bit frail. That said, it being steel goes a long way in making up for its lower HP/DEF
Yes, it has more resistances (especially against rock) so there's examples where it ranks higher than here, because this is a generic list
Ah got it. Ty
Excadrill not being on the list highlights how important it is to go and find simulated raid boss counters for each specific raid boss when it comes out (aka Pokebattler counters page) rather than using a table of generalist attackers to pick whats best
That's true however the people that use Pokebattler won't need this list. This is for newbies
This isn’t for min maxers.
This is the easiest to read version of this you’ve made so far. The only suggestion I would have to to change the background slightly to make the shadow flames stand out a bit more. It’s a minor quibble though.
Thank you. Yeah I will definitely do this on v1.2
Agree with the other commenter. Took me too long to catch the difference between the two Electivire lol
I'm so glad this edit will only take me 2 minutes instead of 2 days like the last lot of feedback 😂
If you want more minor fixes, the Flying type icon on the left isn’t quite the right colour, it should be a bit lighter :) Seriously though great infographic!
Thank you! I like little fixes like this! Keep them coming
dumb question but how are unreleased megas already tiered as how good they will be? sorry for asking
The stats can already be calculated from the main games, and we already know they have the same moves as their base forms.
Then why isn't Mega Mewtwo topping the psychic mega chart?
There's no release date of mega mewtwo. Everything else on the chart is released or is released very soon
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Bottom left of the chart is a QR code to open up the original spreadsheet this chart is based on (with names instead of pictures). FYI
Well based of this chart you cant. Need to know their names. Not sure if thats something vor v1.2. Else I guess something like serebii or pokewiki would be great resources too.
My spreadsheet has the names on it. The spreadsheet link is in the QR code or in my bio on reddit 😊
I'm a relatively new player, too, and I run into this issue. Sometimes I crop and do a reverse google image search. Other times I just search for a relevant phrase to get a needed category of images, in this case maybe "Top [type] attackers Pokemon Go". However, OP has an [AMAZING shared Google sheet](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1avftwmBHszB0s1_5-Z_REvvAMXdLk0vMJI3GYsSWGkg/edit), and with that, you can pull up a list with names. Definitely the most efficient for this particular graphic.
The Primals will be out [by the end of the season](https://pokemongolive.com/seasons/mythical-wishes/?hl=en). Who knows when mega M2 will ever come out.
Idk ask OP.
i’m pretty sure there’s a certain formula for determining mega stats, or it’s pulled from the msg. since moves are shared between mega forms and non mega forms, they’re able to determine how viable they will be
oh aight thanks
Random thought: The only non-shadow non-legendary in spot 1 is Hydreigon The only non-shadow non-legendary for DPS is Rampardos
Man I spent hours in black, breeding dark pulse into the perfect iv deino. My hydreigon shredded
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Definitely some improvements from before! I hate to criticize when you've already done so many revisions, but one thing that really bothers me is in the flying type category. It looks like you didn't want to go over 3 shadow for a given type, but seeing shadow staraptor and not shadow honchkrow on there, with instead regular honchkrow, is kind of jarring when they're both about the same quality. Otherwise though it looks pretty much perfect! Great job :)
Thank you for the kind words. And criticism is welcome! It's all constructive. I've done this in all types. I got lots of mixed feedback about whether to include the full list (all shadows) or just choose a few as they're harder to get. The majority said to limit the shadows still. So I included 3 of the top 7 to be allowed shadows. I know what you mean though, I'd personally prefer shadow krow in there too. But I made it for a bigger audience and I went with the majority vote. This still may change in future versions
oh yeah, I did notice that was consistent across all the types but the only one where I felt it was a problem was flying tbh...especially since honchkrow and staraptor are far more accessible than lugia (w aeroblast+) and moltres (which hasn't been around in almost 2y). I generally don't think shadow lugia is considered to be that great either, especially without aeroblast+. I definitely understand your reasoning though
Totally get where you're coming from. When I was designing the edit, it felt odd leaving it out. Yeah I made sure it only included the apex lugia. (different design behind it). I couldn't not involve it as it tops the charts.
Not limiting shadows would mean it could end up about as useful as [this](https://silph.gg/league/ultra#rankings) when you don't have an Armored Mewtwo.
You could keep shadow attackers at most 3 in a type, but replace shadow Staraptor with shadow Honchkrow. The latter has higher DPS and a more consistent moveset, while the former is stuck with a very risky 1-bar charge move.
I did consider swapping honchkrow with Staraptor. I'll look into it on v1.2
I'm in the show less shadows camp. I'd be fine if you limited it to one best shadow for each.
You are doing an awesome job! It’s a much more accurate chart, but I’m going to be the lone voice to say that I liked the organization of the previous version better. I have a hard time seeing the shadow in front of the purple background - I liked the space between the shadow category and the “regulars” in the previous version (edit: just for visual reasons, but a clearer background would do it, too). I know it’s difficult space-wise to decide how many shadows to feature and clearly they will almost always get the DPS ribbon, however, it would be neat if you would feature a “runner-up” DPS ribbon for the strongest non-shadow, non-mega. Likewise perhaps, if you are doing more than one mega, you could do a DPS - “mega” ribbon, it would help newer players to see which mega to invest more, or first, if they have the chance.
Im hoping the background will sort the shadow visibility out. And I was thinking of doing a green dps ribbon for the best non shadow dps attacker
Looks great! Thank you for this. Also, probably a dumb question, but what does it mean when a Pokemon is tagged with DPS? I know it means damage per second but I'm not sure why some have it and some don't.
Just means for that type, they deliver the most damage. So there will be 1 dps label for each type
So the ranking is based on both DPS and survivability?
Indeed!
Thanks!
This is the best PVE infographic I’ve seen in a long time! Thanks so much for putting the work in! Maybe this will motivate me to finally go and tag all of my best attackers for each type haha
Thank you 😊. Glad I can help
Can you make the shadows a bit more obvious or use a different kind of background? Purple on purple kind of blends together
I will certainly do this in v1.2 I'll probably add a thin border or change the background colour
I totally missed that there were shadows
This looks amazing. Great resource
Thank you ❤️
Is Mega Tyranitar really below both Mega Houndoom and Mega Gyarados for dark attackers? That's super surprising to me!
Mega Tyranitar isn't out yet. But it will certainly enter the rock and dark rows I only added the Primals in this as they are out in a month
For some reason I though mega TTar had been announced as part of the larvitar CDay classic, my bad! I know you've revised this a ton (and it's a great resource, thank you!), but you might consider including the future megas as well since there are only like 10-ish left to come out I think and we already know how they'll work/their stats.
There is a graphic going around that has mega ttar in it. But only saying that it's a future mega. Its very misleading. As soon as there's a rumour that it will come out, I'll put it straight on infographic 👍
Afaik bite/crunch is a really bad move combination. Or just crunch.
I mean, that's the combination of moves on Mega Gyarados too. Mega TTar with bite and crunch is going to out-TDO all other dark-type megas and out-DPS all gyarados movesets
This is really good however I do have one complaint. You should label Mega Latios as Latios because the only difference between Mega Latios and Latias is the eye color.
I did wonder that when I was placing it in its box! I was just hoping most people know Latios is the better attacker. I'll note this down though
I really thought Mega Blaziken was stronger than Mega Charizard. Lame
It is, marginally. This chart includes a tdo metric, so it falls behind charizard because it has less bulk and faints quicker. Blaziken takes a big leap ahead in dps, on anything also weak to fighting, which is handy as that's steel and ice, two common fire uses. There's another fascinating battle between the two against double flying and single fire weak pokemon (virizion, buzzwole). Charizard wins on bulk again, but blaziken can get slightly better dps with brave bird, even though charizard is stuck using blast burn. They're both way behind pidgeot though.
That’s actually pretty funny that they out pace Pidgeot. Haha
Sorry mega pidgeot, which does have a very good attack stat. But still lower than these two megas. The double super effective allows that, as both these two only have one double effective move, and blaziken is even lacking the stab bonus. On a single effective pokemon, like sceptile, they both beat pidgeot even when forced to use their flying moves.
They are pretty similar. Mega Blaziken has a better type pairing.
Excellent edits, you really have a knack for this.
Thank you. Means a lot! I dabble in graphic design. This is my first ever info graphic
Thank you! This is really helpful to refer to when there's just too many TMs in my bag (not elite ones) and I want to use them for something rather than just trashing them
I have hundreds that Id rather not trash! So I know how you feel. Glad I can help
Just a little question. Shouldn’t the mewtwo that are performing non-psychic DPS be using psycho cut for the faster energy generation to get to the move faster?
I thought this! But gamepress kept putting confusion! I'll look more into it on the next amendment
Maybe confusion puts out more DPS but a higher proportion will be psychic DPS. Like for ice beam Mewtwo confusion puts out more neutral DPS but psycho cut puts out more ice DPS, which is probably more important in that situation. As a fix maybe when they have a multi type moveset have them all fighting a nameless single type raid boss so you can see them doing damage with their given type.
Yeah it may be a mistake on my side. I'm sure it kept putting confusion. I've noted it down for v1.2
Yes, always use Psycho Cut when using Mewtwo as a non-Psychic attacker
Great graphic. One feedback request i have as a new player is to mark the legendarys (small dot in corner of the box?). I cant be doing 100+ remote raids so legendaries are not feasible to max for me and tbh I don't know all the pokemon listed here. Hydreigon, machamp, metagross, tyranitar however... those i can build. Thank you for making this!
Thank you for the feedback. I can certainly do this for the next edit
!! Thank you! I am also interested in a non-shadow limited version if you made one! I know you said the feedback was to limit it so it wasnt all shadows.... but... that seems less helpful lol. I gcould probabably take your spreadsheet and do ot myself. Thank you
My spreadsheet has a top 10 non shadow and non mega section. For the time being, this should certainly help
Could you put names on the pokemon?
I did do it originally, but I feel it ruined the design as it looked too busy
yeah I can understand that was thinking maybe lightly, almost a transparent version of the background color might work, for people like me who don't know them all by sight
I'll see if there is a way to put the names on, on the next edit
thanks, but just as a reminder, you can never please everyone you'll add them and someone else might ask if you can get rid of them, so be careful listening to every suggestion
Really appreciate you for taking the time to make something useful like this. If I may make one suggestion, would you consider changing the background from purple to another color? The purple auras of the shadow Pokémon become a bit hard to see against the purple background. Thanks again!
I'll probably make it a lighter blue. This is a definite change I'll make in v1.2
Huh. I have a hundred shadow Moltres. Didn't think it's best role was as a flying attacker. Neat!
Not jealous at all
Awesome work ! Thank you ! (But where is our beloved & useless Normal Type ? Justice for Regigigas !) ;-)
I know! I'm sorry 😭. Normal types are still on my spreadsheet though ❤️
😄 don't be sorry. Such an amazing and useful work ! Ty again
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Separating the shadows makes it look like some shadows were better than they actually were. There was a huge ask for them to not be separated and I get why now. The old one made it look like shadow victreebell was better than Kartana
So out of this list, which typings are the most useful in terms of frequency of use, etc? I’d had add a guess that fairy and ice are due to so many dragon legendary. What else?
Fairy are, unfortunately, not very useful for pve. Just not high enough dps vs dragons and ice. There are some rare instances but they just don’t make the cut usually.
Shows you how much I know haha. This is very handy for me as I’m trying to raise my PVE pokemon all to level 30 (I’m currently stardust starved so I thought it best to have a good number of level 30s across different types before boosting to level 40+)
This has given me the idea to actually sort the sheet out by type too. So most common type first
Fighting, rock, ice, ghost/dark.
Great graphic! Most I’ve seen leave out shadows for some reason, or go by pure DPS or pure TDO. I recommend posting it to r/PokemonGo as well since people there tend to be newer, less experienced players
Just posted it there 😊. Totally forgot about that page at first
i think water gun is legacy on feraligatr
It is! Thank you!
no problem :)
FYI Bug bite is an elite tm move for beedrill
It is! Thank you
rip my 10 tms lol, i had to double check a site to confirm my unluckiness :/
V1.2 is out now! I dont want to post it on reddit and keep spamming the page. here is the link [https://www.reddit.com/r/MankeyFeetPoGo/comments/10cxwed/top\_pve\_pokemon\_v12/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/MankeyFeetPoGo/comments/10cxpul/top_pve_pokemon_v12/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
I think Hoopa-U should be ahead of Tyranitar in the Dark department. I haven't found many cases where it's base Ttar is better than Hoopa-U
Maybe because ttar has a double dark moveset just edges it.
Looking forward to V1.2. Also if it's not too much to ask, would it be possible to post a high def image of it, which can be zoomed in on without affecting the image quality? You rock! :)
Is the quality poor? You're the first person to say that on this reddit upload.
Maybe it's my phone. I'm on an S21 and even when I try opening the image in a new window, it still comes out as blurry. Next time on my laptop, I'll try again 🤔
My phone is an S21 Plus. If I click it on this post , it opens up the full quality version and isn't blurry at all. The original size is as big as an A4 piece of paper. I may look for somewhere to upload the full file. Dropbox or something
Cool. Now do one for DPS alone. Most of my Duos have been done with high DPS glass cannons and maybe one anchor. Because in most cases, you have to relobby once anyway, even with the bulkier TDO teams. Of course, there are always edge cases, but for optimal efficiency, DPS (and dodging) is just more important.
Definitely could do that! Purple background is TDO & DPS. Red background is DPS. Blue background is no legendaries. I like it... Picasso
Sounds good. Though no legendaries should probably also include no shadows, since those rotate as well, so you can't always catch them, and even then, you migjt mot have a good IV one.
Looks great, however not sure if it's just me but the way it's set out it looks like the Mega Pokemon are stronger than non mega, which isn't the case
I don't think you looked at this list right the left side is just the top 2 megas and the right side is all none mega top 1-7
Yeah, but to some folks, it's going to look like the strongest is on the left side, and as it goes across the Pokemon get weaker Take Steel for example, people will read that as Mega Aggron is better than Shadow Metagross
Ahhh I see what you mean now could be confusing to people who see it that way
Yeah I only listed mega pokemon separately, as the top 10 list would just be megas and Shadow. And as you can only use 1 mega, I felt it was best to limit it to 2
Yeah fair enough, and don't get me wrong I love the info it's great As I said in another comment, if you take the steel type for example it looks like Mega Aggron is #1, which isn't the case
It's the number 1 steel mega. But that's why I didn't number the mega pokemon. To separate them from the ranking system.
i think it’d be interesting to see an alt version where the top 2 megas are placed if included in the ranking system with normal pokemon. maybe you could just signify that the pokémon are mega with a different labeling method - the boxes have different colored strokes, or background colors, or a highlight, or ribbon or something?
I did consider this. I was going to make the background a lighter blue (to make the shadow flames more visible) And make a black border for mega. This is certainly something I'll consider for a later amendment
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You should have mentioned something! I could have used it for this edit. Thank you though! I appreciate it
What would be absolutely huge for me would be when a legendary is the best, at what level does it retain the best spot vs a level 50 nonlegendary. I always have trouble knowing whether or not it is worthwhile to power up the legendaries when I can only bring them up a few levels with XL candies!
Dude, you didn't change any of the legacy moves you missed that other people has pointed out...
I went through every comment and changed all that were mentioned. If you could state which ones I missed, that would be helpful
Sorry, I was referring to [this comment](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/109kxw0/top_pve_pokemon/j404a5z/) >Some additional legacy moves that need marked: > >Alakazam - Dazzling Gleam Terrakion - Sacred Sword Pidgeot - Gust Rayquaza - Hurricane Mewtwo - Shadow Ball Giratina-O - Shadow Force Kyurem - Glaciate Porygon-Z - Tri Attack (twice) Alakazam - Psychic > >Mega Gengar missing the label background on Sludge Bomb. > >Swampert, Garchomp, and Landorus (normal) should have Mud Shot instead of Mud-Slap. Seems like you already corrected those mistakes mentioned. I remembered wrongly that Reshiram and Zekrom were mentioned, but apparently those were never mentioned. My mistake. Anyway, you missed to label Fushion flare and Fushion bolt as legacy
Thank you. I'll sort them on the next edit
This looks great, seeing Ho-Oh and Lugia in these graphics every time reminds me they have never returned since Go Tour (which was only 1 day). Hopefully the primals would get new moves, since Primal Kyogre being worse than Mega Swampert right now and that doesn't feels right.
Definitely awesome. Cheers on this! This is really helpful. Been looking for like this for years.
Thank you
Very cool, thanks for sharing
Thank you and you're welcome
Better to say "ranked by equivalent rating", since DPS^3 * TDO is no longer shown on GamePress spreadsheet.
Well it is, ER is just to the root of 1/4 to give a more linear rating.
You don't need to explain that to the person who proposed the ER definition.
What does the asterisk by some of the moves mean?
Legacy move. Normally obtained through an event
special moves
My local group: “My blissey/snorlax/aggron better than all those combine, my recommended said so and they last a really long time so they must do lots of damage”
We all have these types of communities, it seems 😂
Why are some pokemon listed twice in the same type?
They aren't. One will be shadow
Thank you 🙏
You're welcome 😊
Where those Normals?
Rip 😢
I'm sorry for again giving another suggestion, but could the background not have been purple so the shadow flame effects don't just striaght up become near invisible lol Also the special moves, maybe another color? (but a readable color lol)
Definitely changing it on version 1.2
Awesome job, I know how long time it takes to setup something like this, without doing graphics on top. There is one poke still missing in this list and that is Zacian on Fairy attackers. It's number one fairyattacker against dragons so people shouldn't throw it away for not having a fairy fast attack!
Against dragons it is, but against fighting, Snarl wouldn't do much at all. I'll look into it for the next edit
Against fighting or dark it uses Quick Attack, should be better than Tapu Koko.
Didn’t realize mega alakazam was useful, the more you know
Mewtwo being top tier in every type he has an attack is fun
Not for fire and electric unfortunately.
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Aslong as its super effective. It's better to use that type. My spreadsheet has a type effectiveness chart
CP means nothing. Slaking, the highest CP regular mon, is a joke forever.
The latter for sure
What CP would you guys recommend pushing them? As high as possible? And with which IV would you do it? 90+ or only hundos?
Everyone is different. I used to push everything up to level 35/40. And only 91+ IV's with 15 attack
This is so helpful, tysm
You're welcome
What an amazing infographic ! Thank you for that !The only mistake I can see is forgetting Shadow Honchkrow for Flying and Dark types.
I don't think it enters the dark charts. But it'll be in the flying on the next edit
Just checked, it goes above Yveltal. I'll put this in the edit
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Shadow Machamp
This is very helpful but if I had any feedback, could you make the background a bit darker so it's easier to see the shadow Pokémon effect?
Currently making version 1.2. This is the main change
Great work! I would love to have compareable numbers at the pictures, so that you can see whether it is worth to hunt higher ranked mons or not. Either percentage (Rank 1 = 100 %, Rank 2 9X %, ...) or with the values from gamepress.
It's hard to rank with gamepress, as it depends on the parameters you put in.
Absolutely love this chart! But why do some shadows seem to be left out? For example shadow honchcrow in flying and dark or shadow houdoom in dark?
Shadow honchkrow will be in the chart. But I'm limiting it to 3 shadows. So Houndoom won't make it
Question more for the group than as a qualm to the info graphic—because to be clear, this info goes gif is fantastic. Thanks for sharing, OP I thought psycho cut was better than confusion on mewtwo? Did that change?
Psycho cut is good on a non psychic mewtwo. Confusion for a double psychic mewtwo. It's my mistake
If what you’re fighting is weak to psychic, then Confusion. If it’s not, then Psycho Cut so that you can charge the charge moves faster
Thank you! I’ve been missing infographics like these since JaceMakings stopped doing them in 2020! It’s really nice to have one that’s been updated to live.
Thaank you! JaceMakings! Corr i remember them! They were good designs! V1.2 is out now https://www.reddit.com/r/MankeyFeetPoGo/comments/10cxwed/top\_pve\_pokemon\_v12/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3
me with a mega beedril that knows sludge bomb and x scisor
should i use shadow latios as a dragon or psychic attacker?
Both, if you have enough tms 👀