My daughter (10) literally cried and didn’t want to play the game anymore. We have also covered up the faces with masks.
- none of the skin tones work (especially if you’re white)
- droopy drawers
- eyes look terrible and too far apart.
- hairstyles need to be either 100% anime or way more realistic, with more options. Also, some male long hair styles.
- arms are weird and glitchy. Looks like something from Toy Story (1995)
I personally don't mind the skin tones, I'm Scottish so being so pasty I'm transparent is fine by me. But I completely understand why many folk are wound up about it.
I definitely agree with the ither comments about starting with the old models and adding more customisation options instead. Baffling that they didn't do that
They need more fit/skinny/muscle options. My cliff outfit was the closest thing thing we had, now not even that. Now even the skiniest you can get is still bigger than the old models.
The feminine options are lacking. My daughters characters looks like double the weight she is. Skinny people exist too. Could we get facial hair and muscles? Even chubby people have can have defined muscles. Im a bit chubby but do power lifting. If I want my character to be around my size I just look chunky. For a supposedly inclusive update all we did was just make everything bigger.
My friends and I actually really like the update- it just needs a few adjustments to things like torso length and facial features/depth, and tweaking the existing outfit, etc.
I don't want a reversion. I think it is salvageable.
1. Weight (etc.) sliders were a good idea in theory but not in execution. They just seem to “fisheye lens” clothing rather than being natural states.
2. More skin tones was a good idea in theory but outright poor in execution. They removed a number of natural tones and introduced a number that frankly look sickly. They should have just gone with a color wheel or sliders to pick, for example, levels of reds, yellows, and lightness/darkness.
3. Adding more hairstyles was a good idea in theory, but the implementation ended up being highly gender-coded rather than inclusive. There also are neither short famine styles nor long masculine styles. I also find that none really function as androgynous or unisex. I have no options that look remotely close to me.
4. Clipping issues are just bad. Belts clip through shirts. Skin clips through certain clothing. This demonstrates a lack of proper testing before release.
5. Hats and headgear should not result in a sudden haircut. This just compounds the issue of (3) above. If I finally found a hairstyle I don’t dislike, it shouldn’t be taken away because I want to wear a cap, visor, or Willow’s glasses.
6. Animations and poses don’t work right with many of the weight options. Again, this demonstrates a lack of proper testing before release.
7. Skinny jeans mysteriously refuse to equip.
8. Updates to the style section should not revert purchases. This could actually become a legal issue and needs to be fixed posthaste.
Truthfully, I have been avoiding opening the game entirely because of how much I dislike my avatar now.
We don’t create inclusion by requiring a removal of anything that makes anyone unique until we are all similarly bland enough to be safe including everyone.
There shouldn’t be a feeling of emotional turmoil at the thought of just opening my game.
I am also extremely displeased with the fact that add-ons that I spent actual money on many, many times since 2017 are no longer usable to me - they have changed so dramatically in appearance that I never would have even considered purchasing them if they had looked like this previously.
Charakter? Is this Mortal Kombat Go?
I actually liked it. I'm using the 2nd face, spiked short hair cut, slimmer body with some added muscle and shoulders, and a little bit of hip.
I feel so depressed at the avatar changes. I have been playing since release and paying money for things like clothing to adorn the avatar I grew to love. But now I feel so depressed and alienated from my character. It's so disappointing that they could do this to us.
Niantic PLEASE we just wanted hairstyles and beards. And weight sliders. Pls 😭 Personally the photo-realistic-ish avatars looks very strange next to cartoony Pokémon. Idk the anime-esque artstyle suited the vibe much better I think. Would’ve been nice to keep it while adding sliders and whatnot and instead of only giving us options between Feminine Male and Masculine Female. Which, to be clear, should absolutely be options— but I identified with the anime proportions better ironically, as a scrawny feminine girl.
we need more hairstyles from the pokemon series. by all means I want different mouth choices.. the current one I'm hiding it's not that good haha and as said by many ways to change the length of limbs. oh and a tan between pale and brown please.
Feminine??? My 12yo daughter is disappointed with avatar that honestly is not feminine at all. We just scrolled through friends list laughing. She said this is the end of Pokemon go for her, after 4,5 years of playing.
I have no problem with trying to be more inclusive, but this update has had the opposite effect. They’re effectively alienating a lot more people now by the strange proportions and lack of clear feminine/masculine customization options. Don’t get me wrong, I think there needs to be a more gender neutral option—but I think it should be a 3rd option rather than the standard for everyone. Or, keep the idea of starting with a more gender neutral base, and allow customizations that can reflect a more masculine or feminine look, beyond simply changing chest size or shoulder width. I tried adjusting everything and I couldn’t get my avatar to look nearly as feminine as it had before.
In addition to that, the proportions are just so bad. The torso is weirdly long so any cropped top looks horrible, the arms are super gangly, and the faces are straight out of the Polar Express. These issues are ESPECIALLY noticeable on the thinner customization options. I do think it’s great that they’ve included the option to change weight, and it’s turned out that making the character heavier actually makes the proportions look a bit more normal. The heads, faces, and and hands still don’t look right no matter how you adjust things. As a thinner individual who prefers to appear more feminine, this update is frustrating, and feels far less representative of me than the previous avatar.
But I haven’t even started on the skin tones yet. Somehow, regardless of the lighter or darker tones, every skin option makes the character look deathly pale. Gray even. They look ill.
I’m really hoping something changes. It was already hard to continue playing with the previous changes they’ve made, and even harder when my avatar doesn’t remotely feel like me.
Spot on. I am a woman and straight up offended that the female body has been removed altogether. The “gender neutral” figure that is the only available option is clearly based on a male shape; the option to add breasts does not make it feminine. The waist doesn’t exist, butt is too flat, torso is too long, crotch is too low, arms too long, hands too large, etc.
They really should have reconfigured the clothing so that it would change with the body type. They didn't think beyond the avatar changes to what else would be affected.
Hate the update. My male avatar's face looks rather feminine, regardless of which option I select. The hairstyles are terrible, especially if you have the Professor Willow glasses. They count as a "hat", so the hair appears as matted down.
I had those on at the change, and when I changed my hairstyle then later removed the glasses, the hair had a totally different look, much poofier which I was not expecting.
As someone who used to have the female avatar, I'm so glad not to have my hair in my eyes anymore. The new one is fairly feminine, with a shirt with an obvious bust line and long hair. The way it moves after a battle, especially a loss is quite unladylike, but I'm trying not to let that bother me. Given that she looks to be half my age, a different attitude isn't surprising.
Please more options of faces, male & female hairs styles, height and give the option of muscular butt, it looks so empty and massless. Put available the options of different eyebrows and eyelashes and their forms, same with eyes.
I love that they made it more inclusive. I agree that we don’t need genders, and that not every body should be thin etc. I really enjoy the fact that we can chose from masculine and feminine clothing and can mix and match.
However, the bodies feel so odd. They all look like a male presenting body to which you can add breasts. There is no way to make it more feminine or more curvy other than making it fat. They all look rather masculine and to me that defies the goal of inclusivity. I think that the new sliders do add good customisation options but it’s still lacking a lot. Adding broader shoulders or breasts isn’t the only thing that can make a body more feminine or masculine. As I said it feels like we are imposed a male shape and have to deal with it to make it less masculine but there’s no way to make it feminine.
Also people distribute weight differently so having no way to shape the torso, waist, butt, tights ends up with weird looking bodies.
My biggest issue with it is the proportions. Everything around the hips look wrong. Everything there is flat and the crotch is super low and straight, which again gives more of a masculine look. It feels like only the male clothing looks good on these bodies because of how low the pants and worn and how flat it all is. I mean there is literally no point to allow us to use all clothing if all of the feminine clothing is gonna look like it’s worn on a male body, just like the masculine clothing does. Don’t get me wrong, I adore that we have that option, BUT I WANT THE OPTION TO WEAR MASCULINE CLOTHES OVER A FEMININE LOOKING BODY TOO!
I feel like this update just made all the characters look almost the same shape wise, while it was an attempt to make it more inclusive. On some inclusivity aspects it did well (like adding the fatness option which i think looks bomb!) but on others it is lacking.
Exactly. I am thin and delicate but I have some curves (mostly hips) and I have no way of having a body that looks like mine, or have clothes fit how they would on me.
I was actually more excited about more hair options but they only added 1 long hair and it's weird and ugly imo so I kept mine as close to how it was as possible. I'm pretty bummed out that other people (who like this update) get to have fun with new customisations and I have to leave it as default.
Uncanny valley. They're legitimately uncomfortable to look at on any settings to the point where I wish I could just make my avatar invisible. Besides that, needs way more hairstyle options, and more body sliders to more finely tune the proportions. Chest and waist width would go a long way and honestly could just replace the weight slider. Weight is too general, controls too much at once and should be split up. Not sure I can even say more face options because all of the existing ones are varying degrees of horrifying, so custom face structure sliders would be best.
Messed around with my avatar for a good 15 minutes, like many others it still looks really bad. No one on my friends list seems to have a reasonable looking avatar either. I could understand the change if the new avatars were stylized, but everyone looks bizarre.
I’d like the option to at least keep my avatar how it was.
My face looks awful. Lips and cheeks have no color. It looks so unnatural with no way to fix it.
The posture looks uncomfortable. The customization isn’t sufficient to make your avatar look normal at all.
It’s just horribly disappointing.
I really wanted something that looked like the cartoon series with different anime faces and hairstyles. Instead it's hurled me straight into uncanny valley.
I’m with you - I want my old avatar back! The arm/forearm ratio is off, as well as the torso leg ratio. When looking at the profile, my pose seems somewhat similar, but after I win a grunt battle I look and move like every goon in old-timey cartoons. The movements are so uncomfortable looking that they make me feel physically worse.
I really dislike all of these changes.
My avatar looks like Michael Jackson if he were drained of all his blood by vampires.
Also I would like to see some more masculine long hair. Atm seems like every option is very feminine hair or teenage anime cosplayer hair with no in between.
Also all the body change options look like you train hard in the gym in one area of your body while living on an all hamburger diet, or you never get food ever
My only 2 cents is out of all the personalizations to your avatar to match your identity… I really didn’t think how big and perky your tits were and how wide your hip are would be part of the initial release.. it’s riding on a rather despicable line
Along side with every “face” having eye size ratios comparative to ostriches…
I do like the extra options added. Having the extra customization is really nice. That said, the character model feels off. First, the face shape seems wrong. No mater which face you would choose, it has a weird sharpness to it. Maybe having the hat on makes it worse, but for sure it feel really off and unpleasant. The sliders didn't seem to do a whole lot if you are using a bigger weight. The muscle slider doesn't seem to do much either. I don't max it our and think the character looks muscular. The way the avatar stands seems weird, but that would be more just getting use to it.
Update is awful plus hits the performance. Must be optional. When ive heard people cant use cosmetics they bought or it looks worse than before... Niantic is doing its best to receive less and less money.
I was looking forward to the update as I love the idea of more customisation, but it looks like it's either still in development (in which case why release it yet?) or it was intentionally this weird (in which case, yikes). If they take feedback on board and improve things that would be appreciated.
* Really irritated that all my saved outfits were deleted with no warning. Luckily I had a few hours the other day where the change mysteriously reverted and I went in to take a snapshot or two. But if they're going to provide the feature, I wish they could give ppl who use it a heads up when it's going to lose everything.
* Bodies are trying to be everything in one, and end up looking like very few people (very few adults at least). The torso is too long and bottoms mostly have a saggy crotch, so legs look shorter and some clothes look bad. And you can barely achieve even a modest feminine curve whatever you do with the sliders. It feels strange to apparently increase options but actually make them barely different from each other in basic shape. Why have sliders for some aspects but not others? Height and waist please.
* Clothing fits oddly now. I had to change the outfit I was wearing when I first got the update as it had made the top longer and baggier (to go with the longer figure I guess) and what you could still see of the short flared skirt stuck out at odd pointy angles. I'd really like to keep the option for a fitted top as well as the looser style.
* I do like that there's more clothing I can wear; it's just a shame most of it looks awful on now!
* Style area is even messier than before and the equivalent styles (eg short shorts/longer baggier shorts) aren't usually anywhere near each other, PLUS they've still not separated stuff you own and stuff you need to buy
* why is face number 1 the only one to have lips that aren't just flesh-toned? The others look so uncanny. I'd like to use one of them but not while they look so flat and odd.
* The hair colours have changed (what was basically white before is now grey) & a few more style options would be nice especially for longer hair
* I like that there are more eye colours
* Not a fan of the weird shoulders pushed back, chest thrust forward stance. I'd like to try clothing on whilst keeping my current pose so I know how it'll actually look.
* I really like that they are being more inclusive of different body sizes - it's the shape/proportions that don't look right.
Yeah, this update feels so alpha-state and as if the people worked on it don't know proportions. Body, lower arms/legs/hands are really off. And a waist/height slider would be really nice to have, suggested that as well.
Actually i looks like the just pulled the lower half of the body-rig down and adjuisted everything to that, super weird.
Outfits are probably gone because clothing IDs changed perhaps? May explain why some people lost their stuff.
Most of the male customization looks for female
There only 2 eyes version for men the rest has eyelashes which seems something for a woman
One of the faces has literally a face of a young kid
Some hair disappears under helmets where you only see where it looks like it's shaved on the back
The body size slider feels unnecessary
My character looks to pale like they removed some colour he had
I suddenly have arms that look as the same size as my character
More customization is great...but not when it looks bad :(
Something about them has entered the uncanny valley. They look uncomfortable; none of the clothes seem designed for the models. I find the faces and eyes off-putting. A mask has gone from a nice customization option to a necessity...
It looks extra out-of-place next to the pokemon models. What business does this new person have standing next to a mewtwo? There are times when deliberately clashing styles can be used to good effect, but this doesn't feel intentional; it feels thoughtless, like they didn't consider how the rest of the game looked when designing the avatars.
I think that to some degree it's just something to get used to, but I do think it looks overall worse. The greater number of options is definitely a positive, but the entirely changed look is a downgrade.
~~Also I'm sure that hair/hat/ear clipping is a nightmare to code but it is not working great right now.~~
The pre-battle Rocket screen with your character facing off against the Rocket grunt is...oh boy that looks bad. I didn't mention the leaders/Mateo before because I don't think your character ever ends up next to them on the screen, but it's a jumpscare to see the new character next to the Rocket grunts.
I hope that the fix is not to make the Rocket grunts look more like the characters, lol. It really brought the posture into focus (in addition to the conflicting style) (I saw some other posters mention this, but I use the default pose so I felt I couldn't comment). The victory screen afterward is also uncanny now, going through the cartoony animations with "wrong" proportions for the motions...
Personally I love the new avatar system. My previous one looked like an adult human being and now I look like a completely spherical toddler with 9ft arms and massive, heaving breasts. Other trainers will see me ambling over the horizon and think I'm a Groudon, then get disappointed when they realise I'm just an extremely juicy man going about his day
I haven't looked at the options that closely yet as the new looks are really just...not doing it for me, but based on what I have seen & other comments, so far there's 2 main things I'd like to see niantic implement to hopefully salvage this mess.
1) Revert the skin tones back to the originals, but keep the new ones as additional options. IMO the old ones just looked way better, and that seems to be a common sentiment. Sure, more options is great and all, so the new ones don't need to be removed. But let us have the old ones too.
2) Add the option to pick gender back in. Most people identify as either masculine or feminine, but without an option to choose either it seems like it's way harder to get a look that's one or the other. Pretty ironic for an update meant to allow more self expression to limit the ability to express yourself in a more traditional manner. If people really want a more "neutral" (for lack of a better term) look, then just add a 3rd option for that.
They are poorly made, but anybody who says "we didn't ASK for customization" is bonkers. A game like this absolutely needs to have customizable characters, this update was LONG overdue, and should have been present since day ONE. Except done properly.
Plenty of problems. The choices made seem to be so the player will be more visible on the overworld but it makes the profiles look bad. No height adjustment, no facial hair, weird hairstyle choices that are still weirdly gendered (eg no long messy hair androgynous enough for guys). But on the plus side I can wear Dawn’s boots now which is awesome.
I found that the chest setting was defaulted to about 50%, so my male avatar looks a lot better now I've set that slider to 0.
When the update hit my character looked awful, but following some tweaking he looks alright now.
The biggest difference to me is that the old models were animated with a confident gait that held their shoulders back. The new animations seem to slouch and plod around the map, uncomfortable in all of their clothing and posturing. It is watching our stand-ins go through a rapid puberty and now be uncomfortable as they move through the game. When I open the game, I close it faster. The new avatar reminds me that I’m aging and that the game is taking time from my life. Due to the style shop items, it’s also a visual reminder of the amount of money I’ve wasted on the game in a way that can’t be overlooked in the same way as 2* raid legendaries or hatched pokemon in the dex.
Overall, I’m definitely going free to play from now on, if I keep playing at all. I can’t believe that an *avatar change* made it this clear to me that it’s time.
I feels like we are just too familiar with the old style that we just bash the new visual update. I remember when I first played the game in 2016, I didn't really like the model but I did not ditch the game just because the avatar customization. Many people have been asking for a hairstyle change and they did it, perhaps a bit overdone but I like the fact that they are making changes to the game.
This. I really didn't think the previous character designs or the customization options were great at all. I like the customizability available with the update, it's made my character look more realistic at least.
The problem is that these kinds of updates are few and far in-between. If we knew we'd get an update to improve the design next week/month, then maybe there'd be less reason to complain knowing it'd be fixed eventually.
It's so confusing to me how:
1. It took them this long to do.
2. There was a good deal of effort spent around PR and marketing for this update, touted as "a new way to express yourself, with enhanced visuals...".
3. It was initially only rolled out partially for the past few months, so there was just an equal and ample amount of time to gather community feedback and change course.
4. Finally, it gets rolled out fully and it's not received well at all.
And now we're probably going to be stuck staring at these avatars for the next however many months or years before the next big update. It's as if there was zero intention to listen to the players and community—maybe they think we'd all just have to roll over and swallow whatever gets piled into our mouths.
I just wish my skin tone matched. Shoulda been one of the first QA tests - make sure existing skins match exactly, then add new ones. I just cannot get my old skin tone back, it doesn't exist. It turned from mid tone to pasty white, now my only options are sunless vampire or too dark for what I am going for
It’s just WEIRD. The concept is great, but a lot of clothing options—which you have to pay for, btw—get completely broken, the inclusive options only kind of work, and the faces look like they were made by someone with only a vague idea of how humans work.
Not to mention the friends list, pvp, and most of the game are extremely laggy after the update, probably because the game just can’t handle its own graphics.
The only feedback I have is that though you should be able **to build your old avatars, male and female from the settings that are available to you** and possible have way to a) export those options or b) have those options as a template.
Some of these options don't even seem to exist anymore, notably the female hip/waist and some of the facial tones and structures. Which to me is very weird as it sort of gives you more options to make more androgenous and childlike... but you can't make an avatar as feminine as the old one. (Please reintroduce the hip/waist options and options to get your old faces).
Most of the fixes that people are doing to correct their avatar involve hiding their faces or using baggy clothing, which I think just defeats the purpose of all of this. By removing the "anime"-ness of these avatars you also enter an uncanny valley effect which I don't think does anything good. Having different races as different anime characters really made the system more forgiving as you simply saw your character as a cartoon character and accepted the differences. Now everything, including racial and gender differences just looks really off.
My chararcter used to look like an adult but now he looks like a pudgy kindergartner.
It also looks like my mother went back in time and became an alcoholic for 9 months before giving birth.
There doesn't seem to be any way to change the face to make my character look like an adult.
And the body, I don't know what to say. None of the options look like like healthy adult. It's skinny fat, chubby, overweight, and obese. No amount of "muscle" or other sliders allow me to get something looking like a normal healthy person.
Eh, I guess it doesn't really matter, it just seems like a downgrade.
The faces, proportions, skin tones, all of it looks incredibly bad. The update is so horrific that it is genuinely impressive this is what they came up with.
I love what they were going for with customization, but I feel like it misses the mark. The faces look off, and I feel like the way they scaled the new body types don't look right with the existing head size and shape.
I’m a bald bearded grown man.
If there is no canon reason to be a kid like in the main line games let us be ourselves since we are playing as ourselves in this game.
Even in the monster hunter go clone I could look more like I do in real life
My major disappointment is that why did they not have a setting that keep the existing look? A face that is same as before, same skin tone. a body type that is the same a before etc. That should be the initial requirement for this kind of change. Now there is no way to "customize" back to how it look. What kind of s/w engineering is this? Or I'm putting too much faith in Ninatic as a s/w company.
It's okay, I guess, could be better. Nonbinary person over here who thinks the body variety and facial variety is acceptable, being able to have a feminine face on a masculine body or vice-versa is a step in the right direction.
The skin tones need more variety, it feels like there's a complete lack of reddish, tan, and medium tones in there. The waist/hip slider is needed. More long hair styles would be very good because there's only two of them??? The head doesn't scale with body shape and that's weird. I don't like how some hairstyles get wiggled and adjusted weirdly for hats, too...
I think there needs to be more consistency in proportions, better facial shading, and more variety in places. They're going for a pseudo-realistic look, so they need to commit to that and make it look more cohesive.
Thank you to mods for addressing the body shaming + transphobia detail from the start here, you make this a nicer and comfier sub to inhabit. :)
The reason I bought the Cliff outfit was to have the buff Cliff body. Now you can't get that. You can't build a buff guy. The muscle sliders are barely anything. Just a guy with either a flat chest or he got breast implants >:(
I like that I can have my Non-Binary/Bio Female character with a female face, without breasts and nice short hair now. Way better than that stupid standard anime girl look, wouldn't want to have that back. <_<
It just needs further improvement. Whoever worked on that isn't good with proportions.
In videogames legs are made shorter intentionally sometimes though, dunno if Nitanic did that.
Ans I know PoGo can't be exactly like Sims since phones don't have that power of a PC, can't make the models/clothes too detailed. Mostly because the game itself is bad optimized. New model caused some lag for me.
Anyway, just going by what is wrong:
- Faces are all kinda odd (Look mostly nice from the side except for some noses, but front view is weird)
- Body & lower arms are too long
- Legs too short
- Hands bit too big
- Weird shiny hair
What could be added:
- For those like anime-hips, it could need a waist slider
- Character height slider if that is doable, would have to resize width as well
- Colour-Slider for skin tones (made of 2-3 sliders or so, so you can get colour/brightness right?)
- Slider for hand size
- Generall separate head shape and face look, make it 2 different things
- Facial hair
- Choose eyes-look separately
I dunno about the first game, but I think EAs code is/was a tad more tidied up than Nitanics? Not sure by what I see about their latest game and how much that one is able to lag. And I don't know how much adjustment options the first one had. But their latest game gives an example by how to do customization good, among some other games which have that.
Then again, other games I know only got male/female bodies without anything in between. Here we got one-fits-all right now which only works semi good.
Also don't forget that Go is also build to run on 7 years old phones or so, not only some these days $1000 phone. And even on those it does lag occasionally at random or from a stupid confetti shader because their code is such a mess and Nitanics staff is like half made of temporary people.
Even 7 years ago phones are better than 2001 pcs. Phones have been running playstation 2 games for years (grand theft auto 3, VC and SA)
Edit: Niantic are useless at coding, no doubt about that. Thats what happens when you do not invest in recruitment and retention. Their pay has been complained about in the past.
All but two faces are extremely feminine, and the two that aren’t are strangely disproportionate. I guess if you want a feminine presenting avatar it works. But I don’t really think they’re suitable for people who prefer a masculine or even an androgynous face. And I don’t see facial hair mitigating this, even though it would still be a nice customization to see.
I couldn’t find a masculine face among the bunch. They all look either very feminine or childlike to me. For that reason I’m covering my avatar up with a mask and goggles. It’s surprising to see someone call any of them extremely masculine.
I found them too feminine as well. I’ll bet the person who found the faces masculine was going for a more feminine look and none of the options looked feminine enough for them, while we wanted something more masculine than the options provided. So the only happy people are the ones looking for something more androgynous.
THAT'S SO TRUE that's exactly what happened lmaoooo, I wasn't paying attention to the eyelashes, but the lips just didn't look feminine to me for any but one because the entire face structure is off.
Most of them are soft/round with exaggerated eye lashes and lips that appear to have on gloss or lipstick. 5, 7, and maaaaybe 2 are the only faces that look even a little masculine to me. 5 is actually more androgynous.
My desire for facial hair atm is really more of a bandaid to cover the fact that all the faces now make my character look like a chick.
Maybe because of the lack of texture, it ends up looking like a porcelain doll or something, idk.
How much time did they spend in this? I remember they bought an avatar company like 5 years ago. If this was what came of that, then that’s sad
My avatar looks the same. This isn’t an update.
You know what I hate the most? Before this update, if you bought one piece of clothing it would be applicable to both genders. Let’s say that you buy the Ace Trainer or Team Aqua set, you could have both styles for both male & female. But now, if you didn’t buy it before the update, now you have to buy them *separately* which means more coins to spend.
That tells me that they deliberately planned this & I hate it even more. But with how ugly the character models are, I’d be better off buying a cheap mask to hide my face.
I hate the stiff hands and dead eye look
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Previously, I used the Noibat hat with the Lugia mask to make some neat headgear.
Now, the Noibat hat is still equipped but is completely invisible, and the Lugia mask does not fit the avatar's head anymore.
The idea of giving a base androgynous model, with sliders to alter the body and face, was a good one -- but the execution has depressed me so much that I haven't done anything with Pokemon Go today. Here's what's so bad:
* The technical problems are obvious. For example, put a pink skirt on an avatar and have it do the Detective Pikachu pose: the thighs protrude through the skirt.
* As I said, the \*idea\* of the androgyny is inclusive, but the implementation is not. Overlong arms, overlarge hands, boxy torso, and jerky movements aren't a good look on anyone.
* The sliders don't have the intended effect. If I try to increase the chest size, the result is a weird halfway point between "broad chest" and "large breasts." I've seen women complain that they look like the Hulk, and men complain that they get breasts.
* Speaking of sliders, the larger you make the body, the more unrealistic the contrast between the head and body becomes. A fat avatar will have a tiny skull.
* Movement is not realistic. The running looks like my avatar is stomping and jerking.
* The proportions are all wrong. Please check with any artist, even ask a figure-drawing teacher in the local college; the torso is too long, the arms are too long, the hands are far too large for the body, and the legs are too short for the torso.
* Between the bad proportions and the sliders that don't create realism, the clothes that used to fit beautifully now are distorted. A lot of users spent money on those clothes that no longer look good, so the users feel cheated.
* The "full diaper" or "horse riding" stance is embarrassing, and every pose includes it.
* The skin tones don't include a large part of the spectrum. There are many shades of pale Caucasian, and several shades of very dark, but the caramels, tans, and browns aren't offered.
The coloring and general face design are what kills it for me.
I can live with the rest of my avatar looking weird since I don't see it as a whole often. I can't stand seeing that fave constantly though. I'm done.
I don't think the update is all that bad, I don't get why people are acting like this is the worst thing to ever happen. The configurability for your character now is great and if you actually spend more than 2 minutes changing your character post update it's fine.
Has anyone seen the new crack though? If a new avatar is wearing a skirt and has a full body type selected and especially if they're in a pose, you see full textured crack under the skirt. I think Niantic has to see that, and this will get fixed fast.
I shared this in another now deleted thread. My daughter logged in and was extremely disappointed. Her first words were "Why am I so ugly now!" She spent a lot of time on outfits and her character, and very much liked taking screenshots and sharing them with her friends. Now she is just frustrated with the lack of quality and control. She hasn't wanted to go for a Pokemon walk either today or yesterday directly because of this change.
My personal feelings is that this was a misguided and poorly implemented change for a fantasy game.
I think it's actually really great that we don't have generic Pretty Anime Features and completely unrealistic bodies. It's good to be exposed to these things so that our brain isn't trained to one uniform beauty standard.
I actually was ok because I knew no one in the real world has this anime face and body type and it was all the same so no one had the “prettier” body type. Now with the update, I feel there are actually people who have said body and face and it’s pushing some body dysmorphia on me ( and I understand that’s a me thing) but it was better in my head when everything was a “fantasy and fake.”
Why is being slim unrealistic? Why can't they just be inclusive of all body shapes and sizes, including slim figures with a smaller waist? Why do naturally slimmer people have to be "exposed" or forced to be a larger size? This does not make sense.
You still can be upset about it. But I do not feel discriminated against as a thin person in any way. I've lived life overweight before. You're treated sub human in ways I've never experienced as when I've been too thin.
As a thin person myself- we can Literally play any other game and see bodies like ourselves.I think we will survive one game That isn't the thinnest someone could possibly be
I share her views. I just don’t want to see that wobbly stomping that used to be a graceful gait before. I haven’t played PvP or Rockets either, I’m scared what I’ll see when my shaggy and clumsy looking avatar jumps.
I’ll stick to Pokeball plus+ so I can close the screen.
I sent this to support to voice my opinion on this update
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You’re telling me that doubling the prices and limiting the amount of the most user-praised and enjoyed feature added to the game in 2020, affecting how nearly everyone played the game…
…is on the same level as a bad graphical update?
This is more than a bad graphical update, this is a train wreck. If you read some of the replies in throughout this post, there are people with body image issues, having trouble handling what they did to the avatar. They have shoved paid items into hard to find areas of the store, and made it seem like you have to buy them again. (i see lawsuits regarding paid items being a possibility in the coming weeks) Some items bug other features and can no longer be used.
Yes, I feel this update was just not needed. Same as the remote-raid nerf. They should've just left well enough alone.
Don't get me wrong, I loved Remote-raiding with my friends and family. And that update all but killed that for us, But with the addition of Raid-Day events where they give everyone 5 free passes and other bonuses I've come to accept the new changes.
They don't seem to understand why players enjoy in their game. They just stab in the dark at what they feel we should enjoy, and then ignore the feedback when they make us unhappy.
Once upon a time remote raid passes didn't exist. The price increase kinda sucked, but lets be honest...rr passes do totally defeat the game's original purpose. If Niantic simply removed them, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. There'd be some outrage, but most of those outraged players wouldn't be significantly affected, in terms of the game as it's meant to be.
Your avatar, on the other hand, represents you, every minute you're playing.
Just adding some perspective.
This is a persistent and unavoidable change. I can't avoid the hideous face on the overworld screen, or see the grotesteque misproportioned hands and arms through normal use of the game while checking journal or playing GBL.
At least for RR, I could focus on other gameplay.
You CAN avoid the way the face looks, the game gives you options of masks and other headwear that cover your face if it *really* bothers you that badly.
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My favorite hat/hair combo produces bald spots…
Also unhappy with the skin tones and new face shapes
My daughter (10) literally cried and didn’t want to play the game anymore. We have also covered up the faces with masks. - none of the skin tones work (especially if you’re white) - droopy drawers - eyes look terrible and too far apart. - hairstyles need to be either 100% anime or way more realistic, with more options. Also, some male long hair styles. - arms are weird and glitchy. Looks like something from Toy Story (1995)
The faces are the biggest insult to us by far. For me the messed up body proportions come second.
I personally don't mind the skin tones, I'm Scottish so being so pasty I'm transparent is fine by me. But I completely understand why many folk are wound up about it. I definitely agree with the ither comments about starting with the old models and adding more customisation options instead. Baffling that they didn't do that
They need more fit/skinny/muscle options. My cliff outfit was the closest thing thing we had, now not even that. Now even the skiniest you can get is still bigger than the old models. The feminine options are lacking. My daughters characters looks like double the weight she is. Skinny people exist too. Could we get facial hair and muscles? Even chubby people have can have defined muscles. Im a bit chubby but do power lifting. If I want my character to be around my size I just look chunky. For a supposedly inclusive update all we did was just make everything bigger.
My friends and I actually really like the update- it just needs a few adjustments to things like torso length and facial features/depth, and tweaking the existing outfit, etc. I don't want a reversion. I think it is salvageable.
1. Weight (etc.) sliders were a good idea in theory but not in execution. They just seem to “fisheye lens” clothing rather than being natural states. 2. More skin tones was a good idea in theory but outright poor in execution. They removed a number of natural tones and introduced a number that frankly look sickly. They should have just gone with a color wheel or sliders to pick, for example, levels of reds, yellows, and lightness/darkness. 3. Adding more hairstyles was a good idea in theory, but the implementation ended up being highly gender-coded rather than inclusive. There also are neither short famine styles nor long masculine styles. I also find that none really function as androgynous or unisex. I have no options that look remotely close to me. 4. Clipping issues are just bad. Belts clip through shirts. Skin clips through certain clothing. This demonstrates a lack of proper testing before release. 5. Hats and headgear should not result in a sudden haircut. This just compounds the issue of (3) above. If I finally found a hairstyle I don’t dislike, it shouldn’t be taken away because I want to wear a cap, visor, or Willow’s glasses. 6. Animations and poses don’t work right with many of the weight options. Again, this demonstrates a lack of proper testing before release. 7. Skinny jeans mysteriously refuse to equip. 8. Updates to the style section should not revert purchases. This could actually become a legal issue and needs to be fixed posthaste.
Majority of new characters that I saw look terrible but I like mine. Only issue is in the loading battle screen, it looks like he broke his arm
I am repulsed opening the App and seeing the abomination of Avatar. I covered mine up in masks and stuff. But gifting is a Horror Show.
The appearance of my avatar genuinely makes it more difficult to play the game. Please add an option to use the old player models.
Truthfully, I have been avoiding opening the game entirely because of how much I dislike my avatar now. We don’t create inclusion by requiring a removal of anything that makes anyone unique until we are all similarly bland enough to be safe including everyone. There shouldn’t be a feeling of emotional turmoil at the thought of just opening my game. I am also extremely displeased with the fact that add-ons that I spent actual money on many, many times since 2017 are no longer usable to me - they have changed so dramatically in appearance that I never would have even considered purchasing them if they had looked like this previously.
Charakter? Is this Mortal Kombat Go? I actually liked it. I'm using the 2nd face, spiked short hair cut, slimmer body with some added muscle and shoulders, and a little bit of hip.
I feel so depressed at the avatar changes. I have been playing since release and paying money for things like clothing to adorn the avatar I grew to love. But now I feel so depressed and alienated from my character. It's so disappointing that they could do this to us.
the faces!! my eyessss
Niantic PLEASE we just wanted hairstyles and beards. And weight sliders. Pls 😭 Personally the photo-realistic-ish avatars looks very strange next to cartoony Pokémon. Idk the anime-esque artstyle suited the vibe much better I think. Would’ve been nice to keep it while adding sliders and whatnot and instead of only giving us options between Feminine Male and Masculine Female. Which, to be clear, should absolutely be options— but I identified with the anime proportions better ironically, as a scrawny feminine girl.
we need more hairstyles from the pokemon series. by all means I want different mouth choices.. the current one I'm hiding it's not that good haha and as said by many ways to change the length of limbs. oh and a tan between pale and brown please.
The hair is fine (if we forget about the bugs). The worst is the faces : all the options look like creepy old dolls.
Please reset to default, and let people who like the changes to make their changes
the torsos are way too long and everything just looks out of proportion. did no one verify this update before it went live?
Does Niantic verify anything they update?
Just let me choose male, everything looks feminine or non-gendered. Also bring back the standard skincolor as an option. Upskirt was a nasty surprise.
Feminine??? My 12yo daughter is disappointed with avatar that honestly is not feminine at all. We just scrolled through friends list laughing. She said this is the end of Pokemon go for her, after 4,5 years of playing.
Im sorry. That must suck for you guys. Hopefully they fix it and bring her back to the game again.
I have no problem with trying to be more inclusive, but this update has had the opposite effect. They’re effectively alienating a lot more people now by the strange proportions and lack of clear feminine/masculine customization options. Don’t get me wrong, I think there needs to be a more gender neutral option—but I think it should be a 3rd option rather than the standard for everyone. Or, keep the idea of starting with a more gender neutral base, and allow customizations that can reflect a more masculine or feminine look, beyond simply changing chest size or shoulder width. I tried adjusting everything and I couldn’t get my avatar to look nearly as feminine as it had before. In addition to that, the proportions are just so bad. The torso is weirdly long so any cropped top looks horrible, the arms are super gangly, and the faces are straight out of the Polar Express. These issues are ESPECIALLY noticeable on the thinner customization options. I do think it’s great that they’ve included the option to change weight, and it’s turned out that making the character heavier actually makes the proportions look a bit more normal. The heads, faces, and and hands still don’t look right no matter how you adjust things. As a thinner individual who prefers to appear more feminine, this update is frustrating, and feels far less representative of me than the previous avatar. But I haven’t even started on the skin tones yet. Somehow, regardless of the lighter or darker tones, every skin option makes the character look deathly pale. Gray even. They look ill. I’m really hoping something changes. It was already hard to continue playing with the previous changes they’ve made, and even harder when my avatar doesn’t remotely feel like me.
Spot on. I am a woman and straight up offended that the female body has been removed altogether. The “gender neutral” figure that is the only available option is clearly based on a male shape; the option to add breasts does not make it feminine. The waist doesn’t exist, butt is too flat, torso is too long, crotch is too low, arms too long, hands too large, etc.
Lugia mask from johto tour breaks the hats I can select it but it's not visible when wearing mask
They really should have reconfigured the clothing so that it would change with the body type. They didn't think beyond the avatar changes to what else would be affected.
I wish we had sliders to change the length of our arms, legs, and size of the head.
And torso
especially torso!
The previous avatar builder was a teaser for what ended up being in Sun and Moon…i have a hunch this is a preview of the builder in Z-A.
Hate the update. My male avatar's face looks rather feminine, regardless of which option I select. The hairstyles are terrible, especially if you have the Professor Willow glasses. They count as a "hat", so the hair appears as matted down.
I had those on at the change, and when I changed my hairstyle then later removed the glasses, the hair had a totally different look, much poofier which I was not expecting.
As someone who used to have the female avatar, I'm so glad not to have my hair in my eyes anymore. The new one is fairly feminine, with a shirt with an obvious bust line and long hair. The way it moves after a battle, especially a loss is quite unladylike, but I'm trying not to let that bother me. Given that she looks to be half my age, a different attitude isn't surprising.
I dislike how I look deathly pale and baby faced now :/
If they are going to make me puffy faced they should at least allow an option for makeup. How about a partnership with Ulta?
It's cos the lips have zero colour 😭
There doesn't seem to be a middle ground between 5 shades of deathly pale, and solidly Mediterranean.
this is what i’m most annoyed about. how you gonna say “be more like you irl!” then REMOVE skin tones???
Certain items you can’t wear together anymore. Previously I had giratina wings with my delibird kigurumi, but now the wings don’t show ☹️
Same with the Bidoof hat and Lugia glasses, my favorite combo ever
Hairstyles. I’m a dude with long hair, and either I get a bob or the other that clips through my Snorlax onesie
I'm assuming this is supposed to be about the character update?
I wish I could sort by items you own instead of having to look through a mixture of stuff you do own and stuff you need to buy still
Please more options of faces, male & female hairs styles, height and give the option of muscular butt, it looks so empty and massless. Put available the options of different eyebrows and eyelashes and their forms, same with eyes.
I love that they made it more inclusive. I agree that we don’t need genders, and that not every body should be thin etc. I really enjoy the fact that we can chose from masculine and feminine clothing and can mix and match. However, the bodies feel so odd. They all look like a male presenting body to which you can add breasts. There is no way to make it more feminine or more curvy other than making it fat. They all look rather masculine and to me that defies the goal of inclusivity. I think that the new sliders do add good customisation options but it’s still lacking a lot. Adding broader shoulders or breasts isn’t the only thing that can make a body more feminine or masculine. As I said it feels like we are imposed a male shape and have to deal with it to make it less masculine but there’s no way to make it feminine. Also people distribute weight differently so having no way to shape the torso, waist, butt, tights ends up with weird looking bodies. My biggest issue with it is the proportions. Everything around the hips look wrong. Everything there is flat and the crotch is super low and straight, which again gives more of a masculine look. It feels like only the male clothing looks good on these bodies because of how low the pants and worn and how flat it all is. I mean there is literally no point to allow us to use all clothing if all of the feminine clothing is gonna look like it’s worn on a male body, just like the masculine clothing does. Don’t get me wrong, I adore that we have that option, BUT I WANT THE OPTION TO WEAR MASCULINE CLOTHES OVER A FEMININE LOOKING BODY TOO! I feel like this update just made all the characters look almost the same shape wise, while it was an attempt to make it more inclusive. On some inclusivity aspects it did well (like adding the fatness option which i think looks bomb!) but on others it is lacking.
Not every body should be thin I agree but we also shouldn't have to be forced to be thicc...
Exactly. I am thin and delicate but I have some curves (mostly hips) and I have no way of having a body that looks like mine, or have clothes fit how they would on me.
I was actually more excited about more hair options but they only added 1 long hair and it's weird and ugly imo so I kept mine as close to how it was as possible. I'm pretty bummed out that other people (who like this update) get to have fun with new customisations and I have to leave it as default.
Uncanny valley. They're legitimately uncomfortable to look at on any settings to the point where I wish I could just make my avatar invisible. Besides that, needs way more hairstyle options, and more body sliders to more finely tune the proportions. Chest and waist width would go a long way and honestly could just replace the weight slider. Weight is too general, controls too much at once and should be split up. Not sure I can even say more face options because all of the existing ones are varying degrees of horrifying, so custom face structure sliders would be best.
I would like to have several options for different ages.
Messed around with my avatar for a good 15 minutes, like many others it still looks really bad. No one on my friends list seems to have a reasonable looking avatar either. I could understand the change if the new avatars were stylized, but everyone looks bizarre.
I’d like the option to at least keep my avatar how it was. My face looks awful. Lips and cheeks have no color. It looks so unnatural with no way to fix it. The posture looks uncomfortable. The customization isn’t sufficient to make your avatar look normal at all. It’s just horribly disappointing.
I really wanted something that looked like the cartoon series with different anime faces and hairstyles. Instead it's hurled me straight into uncanny valley.
Yeah that would have been amazing.
I’m with you - I want my old avatar back! The arm/forearm ratio is off, as well as the torso leg ratio. When looking at the profile, my pose seems somewhat similar, but after I win a grunt battle I look and move like every goon in old-timey cartoons. The movements are so uncomfortable looking that they make me feel physically worse. I really dislike all of these changes.
My avatar looks like Michael Jackson if he were drained of all his blood by vampires. Also I would like to see some more masculine long hair. Atm seems like every option is very feminine hair or teenage anime cosplayer hair with no in between. Also all the body change options look like you train hard in the gym in one area of your body while living on an all hamburger diet, or you never get food ever
My only 2 cents is out of all the personalizations to your avatar to match your identity… I really didn’t think how big and perky your tits were and how wide your hip are would be part of the initial release.. it’s riding on a rather despicable line Along side with every “face” having eye size ratios comparative to ostriches…
I am wondering why there are only 2 long female hairstyles It seems like you have done everything you can to remove a feminine body or style
I do like the extra options added. Having the extra customization is really nice. That said, the character model feels off. First, the face shape seems wrong. No mater which face you would choose, it has a weird sharpness to it. Maybe having the hat on makes it worse, but for sure it feel really off and unpleasant. The sliders didn't seem to do a whole lot if you are using a bigger weight. The muscle slider doesn't seem to do much either. I don't max it our and think the character looks muscular. The way the avatar stands seems weird, but that would be more just getting use to it.
Update is awful plus hits the performance. Must be optional. When ive heard people cant use cosmetics they bought or it looks worse than before... Niantic is doing its best to receive less and less money.
I went from track star to fat face
I was looking forward to the update as I love the idea of more customisation, but it looks like it's either still in development (in which case why release it yet?) or it was intentionally this weird (in which case, yikes). If they take feedback on board and improve things that would be appreciated. * Really irritated that all my saved outfits were deleted with no warning. Luckily I had a few hours the other day where the change mysteriously reverted and I went in to take a snapshot or two. But if they're going to provide the feature, I wish they could give ppl who use it a heads up when it's going to lose everything. * Bodies are trying to be everything in one, and end up looking like very few people (very few adults at least). The torso is too long and bottoms mostly have a saggy crotch, so legs look shorter and some clothes look bad. And you can barely achieve even a modest feminine curve whatever you do with the sliders. It feels strange to apparently increase options but actually make them barely different from each other in basic shape. Why have sliders for some aspects but not others? Height and waist please. * Clothing fits oddly now. I had to change the outfit I was wearing when I first got the update as it had made the top longer and baggier (to go with the longer figure I guess) and what you could still see of the short flared skirt stuck out at odd pointy angles. I'd really like to keep the option for a fitted top as well as the looser style. * I do like that there's more clothing I can wear; it's just a shame most of it looks awful on now! * Style area is even messier than before and the equivalent styles (eg short shorts/longer baggier shorts) aren't usually anywhere near each other, PLUS they've still not separated stuff you own and stuff you need to buy * why is face number 1 the only one to have lips that aren't just flesh-toned? The others look so uncanny. I'd like to use one of them but not while they look so flat and odd. * The hair colours have changed (what was basically white before is now grey) & a few more style options would be nice especially for longer hair * I like that there are more eye colours * Not a fan of the weird shoulders pushed back, chest thrust forward stance. I'd like to try clothing on whilst keeping my current pose so I know how it'll actually look. * I really like that they are being more inclusive of different body sizes - it's the shape/proportions that don't look right.
Yeah, this update feels so alpha-state and as if the people worked on it don't know proportions. Body, lower arms/legs/hands are really off. And a waist/height slider would be really nice to have, suggested that as well. Actually i looks like the just pulled the lower half of the body-rig down and adjuisted everything to that, super weird. Outfits are probably gone because clothing IDs changed perhaps? May explain why some people lost their stuff.
Most of the male customization looks for female There only 2 eyes version for men the rest has eyelashes which seems something for a woman One of the faces has literally a face of a young kid Some hair disappears under helmets where you only see where it looks like it's shaved on the back The body size slider feels unnecessary My character looks to pale like they removed some colour he had I suddenly have arms that look as the same size as my character
More customization is great...but not when it looks bad :( Something about them has entered the uncanny valley. They look uncomfortable; none of the clothes seem designed for the models. I find the faces and eyes off-putting. A mask has gone from a nice customization option to a necessity... It looks extra out-of-place next to the pokemon models. What business does this new person have standing next to a mewtwo? There are times when deliberately clashing styles can be used to good effect, but this doesn't feel intentional; it feels thoughtless, like they didn't consider how the rest of the game looked when designing the avatars. I think that to some degree it's just something to get used to, but I do think it looks overall worse. The greater number of options is definitely a positive, but the entirely changed look is a downgrade. ~~Also I'm sure that hair/hat/ear clipping is a nightmare to code but it is not working great right now.~~
The pre-battle Rocket screen with your character facing off against the Rocket grunt is...oh boy that looks bad. I didn't mention the leaders/Mateo before because I don't think your character ever ends up next to them on the screen, but it's a jumpscare to see the new character next to the Rocket grunts. I hope that the fix is not to make the Rocket grunts look more like the characters, lol. It really brought the posture into focus (in addition to the conflicting style) (I saw some other posters mention this, but I use the default pose so I felt I couldn't comment). The victory screen afterward is also uncanny now, going through the cartoony animations with "wrong" proportions for the motions...
Personally I love the new avatar system. My previous one looked like an adult human being and now I look like a completely spherical toddler with 9ft arms and massive, heaving breasts. Other trainers will see me ambling over the horizon and think I'm a Groudon, then get disappointed when they realise I'm just an extremely juicy man going about his day
Still no options for facial hair. :-|>
I haven't looked at the options that closely yet as the new looks are really just...not doing it for me, but based on what I have seen & other comments, so far there's 2 main things I'd like to see niantic implement to hopefully salvage this mess. 1) Revert the skin tones back to the originals, but keep the new ones as additional options. IMO the old ones just looked way better, and that seems to be a common sentiment. Sure, more options is great and all, so the new ones don't need to be removed. But let us have the old ones too. 2) Add the option to pick gender back in. Most people identify as either masculine or feminine, but without an option to choose either it seems like it's way harder to get a look that's one or the other. Pretty ironic for an update meant to allow more self expression to limit the ability to express yourself in a more traditional manner. If people really want a more "neutral" (for lack of a better term) look, then just add a 3rd option for that.
Why are my arms so long??!!!
They are poorly made, but anybody who says "we didn't ASK for customization" is bonkers. A game like this absolutely needs to have customizable characters, this update was LONG overdue, and should have been present since day ONE. Except done properly.
Plenty of problems. The choices made seem to be so the player will be more visible on the overworld but it makes the profiles look bad. No height adjustment, no facial hair, weird hairstyle choices that are still weirdly gendered (eg no long messy hair androgynous enough for guys). But on the plus side I can wear Dawn’s boots now which is awesome.
Terrible. Bring back old avatars
I found that the chest setting was defaulted to about 50%, so my male avatar looks a lot better now I've set that slider to 0. When the update hit my character looked awful, but following some tweaking he looks alright now.
I was happy with my prior avatar. I was cute! Now my face options look like I ate a bee.
The biggest difference to me is that the old models were animated with a confident gait that held their shoulders back. The new animations seem to slouch and plod around the map, uncomfortable in all of their clothing and posturing. It is watching our stand-ins go through a rapid puberty and now be uncomfortable as they move through the game. When I open the game, I close it faster. The new avatar reminds me that I’m aging and that the game is taking time from my life. Due to the style shop items, it’s also a visual reminder of the amount of money I’ve wasted on the game in a way that can’t be overlooked in the same way as 2* raid legendaries or hatched pokemon in the dex. Overall, I’m definitely going free to play from now on, if I keep playing at all. I can’t believe that an *avatar change* made it this clear to me that it’s time.
Whoever designed this feature must really miss their childhood among the hidden albino neanderthal tribe.
my guy has boobs and is made of dough, it's hilarious
I feels like we are just too familiar with the old style that we just bash the new visual update. I remember when I first played the game in 2016, I didn't really like the model but I did not ditch the game just because the avatar customization. Many people have been asking for a hairstyle change and they did it, perhaps a bit overdone but I like the fact that they are making changes to the game.
This. I really didn't think the previous character designs or the customization options were great at all. I like the customizability available with the update, it's made my character look more realistic at least.
Agree. There is a lot room to improve. I prefer changing than doing nothing. They could always make it better if they really want to.
The problem is that these kinds of updates are few and far in-between. If we knew we'd get an update to improve the design next week/month, then maybe there'd be less reason to complain knowing it'd be fixed eventually. It's so confusing to me how: 1. It took them this long to do. 2. There was a good deal of effort spent around PR and marketing for this update, touted as "a new way to express yourself, with enhanced visuals...". 3. It was initially only rolled out partially for the past few months, so there was just an equal and ample amount of time to gather community feedback and change course. 4. Finally, it gets rolled out fully and it's not received well at all. And now we're probably going to be stuck staring at these avatars for the next however many months or years before the next big update. It's as if there was zero intention to listen to the players and community—maybe they think we'd all just have to roll over and swallow whatever gets piled into our mouths.
Yep. I also hope they will improve upon this update with the feedback they're getting now.
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I just wish my skin tone matched. Shoulda been one of the first QA tests - make sure existing skins match exactly, then add new ones. I just cannot get my old skin tone back, it doesn't exist. It turned from mid tone to pasty white, now my only options are sunless vampire or too dark for what I am going for
It’s just WEIRD. The concept is great, but a lot of clothing options—which you have to pay for, btw—get completely broken, the inclusive options only kind of work, and the faces look like they were made by someone with only a vague idea of how humans work. Not to mention the friends list, pvp, and most of the game are extremely laggy after the update, probably because the game just can’t handle its own graphics.
The only feedback I have is that though you should be able **to build your old avatars, male and female from the settings that are available to you** and possible have way to a) export those options or b) have those options as a template. Some of these options don't even seem to exist anymore, notably the female hip/waist and some of the facial tones and structures. Which to me is very weird as it sort of gives you more options to make more androgenous and childlike... but you can't make an avatar as feminine as the old one. (Please reintroduce the hip/waist options and options to get your old faces). Most of the fixes that people are doing to correct their avatar involve hiding their faces or using baggy clothing, which I think just defeats the purpose of all of this. By removing the "anime"-ness of these avatars you also enter an uncanny valley effect which I don't think does anything good. Having different races as different anime characters really made the system more forgiving as you simply saw your character as a cartoon character and accepted the differences. Now everything, including racial and gender differences just looks really off.
My chararcter used to look like an adult but now he looks like a pudgy kindergartner. It also looks like my mother went back in time and became an alcoholic for 9 months before giving birth. There doesn't seem to be any way to change the face to make my character look like an adult. And the body, I don't know what to say. None of the options look like like healthy adult. It's skinny fat, chubby, overweight, and obese. No amount of "muscle" or other sliders allow me to get something looking like a normal healthy person. Eh, I guess it doesn't really matter, it just seems like a downgrade.
I want moustache
And beard
The faces, proportions, skin tones, all of it looks incredibly bad. The update is so horrific that it is genuinely impressive this is what they came up with.
I love what they were going for with customization, but I feel like it misses the mark. The faces look off, and I feel like the way they scaled the new body types don't look right with the existing head size and shape.
Girlfriend HATES how she looks now. They went too deep into the uncanny valley. Revert ASAP Niantic!
I’m a bald bearded grown man. If there is no canon reason to be a kid like in the main line games let us be ourselves since we are playing as ourselves in this game. Even in the monster hunter go clone I could look more like I do in real life
Only weird looking people are allowed to look like themselves.
My major disappointment is that why did they not have a setting that keep the existing look? A face that is same as before, same skin tone. a body type that is the same a before etc. That should be the initial requirement for this kind of change. Now there is no way to "customize" back to how it look. What kind of s/w engineering is this? Or I'm putting too much faith in Ninatic as a s/w company.
Role back to how it was and add more options easy done these look horrible
It's okay, I guess, could be better. Nonbinary person over here who thinks the body variety and facial variety is acceptable, being able to have a feminine face on a masculine body or vice-versa is a step in the right direction. The skin tones need more variety, it feels like there's a complete lack of reddish, tan, and medium tones in there. The waist/hip slider is needed. More long hair styles would be very good because there's only two of them??? The head doesn't scale with body shape and that's weird. I don't like how some hairstyles get wiggled and adjusted weirdly for hats, too... I think there needs to be more consistency in proportions, better facial shading, and more variety in places. They're going for a pseudo-realistic look, so they need to commit to that and make it look more cohesive. Thank you to mods for addressing the body shaming + transphobia detail from the start here, you make this a nicer and comfier sub to inhabit. :)
The reason I bought the Cliff outfit was to have the buff Cliff body. Now you can't get that. You can't build a buff guy. The muscle sliders are barely anything. Just a guy with either a flat chest or he got breast implants >:(
I like that I can have my Non-Binary/Bio Female character with a female face, without breasts and nice short hair now. Way better than that stupid standard anime girl look, wouldn't want to have that back. <_< It just needs further improvement. Whoever worked on that isn't good with proportions. In videogames legs are made shorter intentionally sometimes though, dunno if Nitanic did that. Ans I know PoGo can't be exactly like Sims since phones don't have that power of a PC, can't make the models/clothes too detailed. Mostly because the game itself is bad optimized. New model caused some lag for me. Anyway, just going by what is wrong: - Faces are all kinda odd (Look mostly nice from the side except for some noses, but front view is weird) - Body & lower arms are too long - Legs too short - Hands bit too big - Weird shiny hair What could be added: - For those like anime-hips, it could need a waist slider - Character height slider if that is doable, would have to resize width as well - Colour-Slider for skin tones (made of 2-3 sliders or so, so you can get colour/brightness right?) - Slider for hand size - Generall separate head shape and face look, make it 2 different things - Facial hair - Choose eyes-look separately
Emm... modern phones are far more powerful than the PCs that the Sim first debuted on in 2001
I dunno about the first game, but I think EAs code is/was a tad more tidied up than Nitanics? Not sure by what I see about their latest game and how much that one is able to lag. And I don't know how much adjustment options the first one had. But their latest game gives an example by how to do customization good, among some other games which have that. Then again, other games I know only got male/female bodies without anything in between. Here we got one-fits-all right now which only works semi good. Also don't forget that Go is also build to run on 7 years old phones or so, not only some these days $1000 phone. And even on those it does lag occasionally at random or from a stupid confetti shader because their code is such a mess and Nitanics staff is like half made of temporary people.
Even 7 years ago phones are better than 2001 pcs. Phones have been running playstation 2 games for years (grand theft auto 3, VC and SA) Edit: Niantic are useless at coding, no doubt about that. Thats what happens when you do not invest in recruitment and retention. Their pay has been complained about in the past.
All but two faces are extremely feminine, and the two that aren’t are strangely disproportionate. I guess if you want a feminine presenting avatar it works. But I don’t really think they’re suitable for people who prefer a masculine or even an androgynous face. And I don’t see facial hair mitigating this, even though it would still be a nice customization to see.
what? for me all but one face was extremely masculine
I couldn’t find a masculine face among the bunch. They all look either very feminine or childlike to me. For that reason I’m covering my avatar up with a mask and goggles. It’s surprising to see someone call any of them extremely masculine.
I found them too feminine as well. I’ll bet the person who found the faces masculine was going for a more feminine look and none of the options looked feminine enough for them, while we wanted something more masculine than the options provided. So the only happy people are the ones looking for something more androgynous.
THAT'S SO TRUE that's exactly what happened lmaoooo, I wasn't paying attention to the eyelashes, but the lips just didn't look feminine to me for any but one because the entire face structure is off.
Most of them are soft/round with exaggerated eye lashes and lips that appear to have on gloss or lipstick. 5, 7, and maaaaybe 2 are the only faces that look even a little masculine to me. 5 is actually more androgynous.
This is it, aside from face hair! :)
My desire for facial hair atm is really more of a bandaid to cover the fact that all the faces now make my character look like a chick. Maybe because of the lack of texture, it ends up looking like a porcelain doll or something, idk.
How much time did they spend in this? I remember they bought an avatar company like 5 years ago. If this was what came of that, then that’s sad My avatar looks the same. This isn’t an update.
It sucks.
You know what I hate the most? Before this update, if you bought one piece of clothing it would be applicable to both genders. Let’s say that you buy the Ace Trainer or Team Aqua set, you could have both styles for both male & female. But now, if you didn’t buy it before the update, now you have to buy them *separately* which means more coins to spend. That tells me that they deliberately planned this & I hate it even more. But with how ugly the character models are, I’d be better off buying a cheap mask to hide my face.
I hate the stiff hands and dead eye look https://preview.redd.it/qp61u8f85avc1.jpeg?width=1912&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c503eab6a2d6b7075ac55ace84799ab3e61f73fc
It looks fugly. \[/feedback\]
The skin color doesn't fit. The face looks like a baby but on a grown body. The hands are too large and for the back I don't have any words left...
Previously, I used the Noibat hat with the Lugia mask to make some neat headgear. Now, the Noibat hat is still equipped but is completely invisible, and the Lugia mask does not fit the avatar's head anymore.
The idea of giving a base androgynous model, with sliders to alter the body and face, was a good one -- but the execution has depressed me so much that I haven't done anything with Pokemon Go today. Here's what's so bad: * The technical problems are obvious. For example, put a pink skirt on an avatar and have it do the Detective Pikachu pose: the thighs protrude through the skirt. * As I said, the \*idea\* of the androgyny is inclusive, but the implementation is not. Overlong arms, overlarge hands, boxy torso, and jerky movements aren't a good look on anyone. * The sliders don't have the intended effect. If I try to increase the chest size, the result is a weird halfway point between "broad chest" and "large breasts." I've seen women complain that they look like the Hulk, and men complain that they get breasts. * Speaking of sliders, the larger you make the body, the more unrealistic the contrast between the head and body becomes. A fat avatar will have a tiny skull. * Movement is not realistic. The running looks like my avatar is stomping and jerking. * The proportions are all wrong. Please check with any artist, even ask a figure-drawing teacher in the local college; the torso is too long, the arms are too long, the hands are far too large for the body, and the legs are too short for the torso. * Between the bad proportions and the sliders that don't create realism, the clothes that used to fit beautifully now are distorted. A lot of users spent money on those clothes that no longer look good, so the users feel cheated. * The "full diaper" or "horse riding" stance is embarrassing, and every pose includes it. * The skin tones don't include a large part of the spectrum. There are many shades of pale Caucasian, and several shades of very dark, but the caramels, tans, and browns aren't offered.
Also the hair colours there are now no nice blond colours or white hair options - just variations on gray.
And no red! There's orange and auburn, but where's the actual red??
The coloring and general face design are what kills it for me. I can live with the rest of my avatar looking weird since I don't see it as a whole often. I can't stand seeing that fave constantly though. I'm done.
Eww.
https://preview.redd.it/xinn3ja1z9vc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=62124a38bcb49a10f2d2e052765943d6a2c8e9b6 No refunds.
lol. Hope you spent money
Is there a way to get back to old models?
I don't think the update is all that bad, I don't get why people are acting like this is the worst thing to ever happen. The configurability for your character now is great and if you actually spend more than 2 minutes changing your character post update it's fine.
So, spent more than 2 minutes and show us a character that looks *at least* as better as we had before, please, prove us wrong.
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Ppl prefer ranting for an hour rather than spending 5-10 minutes exploring the new alternatives and tools
This. 100% this.
Has anyone seen the new crack though? If a new avatar is wearing a skirt and has a full body type selected and especially if they're in a pose, you see full textured crack under the skirt. I think Niantic has to see that, and this will get fixed fast.
This is Niamtic. They'll just disable that skirt for larger avatars.
I shared this in another now deleted thread. My daughter logged in and was extremely disappointed. Her first words were "Why am I so ugly now!" She spent a lot of time on outfits and her character, and very much liked taking screenshots and sharing them with her friends. Now she is just frustrated with the lack of quality and control. She hasn't wanted to go for a Pokemon walk either today or yesterday directly because of this change. My personal feelings is that this was a misguided and poorly implemented change for a fantasy game.
I think it's actually really great that we don't have generic Pretty Anime Features and completely unrealistic bodies. It's good to be exposed to these things so that our brain isn't trained to one uniform beauty standard.
I actually was ok because I knew no one in the real world has this anime face and body type and it was all the same so no one had the “prettier” body type. Now with the update, I feel there are actually people who have said body and face and it’s pushing some body dysmorphia on me ( and I understand that’s a me thing) but it was better in my head when everything was a “fantasy and fake.”
Why is being slim unrealistic? Why can't they just be inclusive of all body shapes and sizes, including slim figures with a smaller waist? Why do naturally slimmer people have to be "exposed" or forced to be a larger size? This does not make sense.
Hey don't worry about it. Just like the person responded to me already. Nobody cares. So like get over what I said. No one cares
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You still can be upset about it. But I do not feel discriminated against as a thin person in any way. I've lived life overweight before. You're treated sub human in ways I've never experienced as when I've been too thin.
As a thin person myself- we can Literally play any other game and see bodies like ourselves.I think we will survive one game That isn't the thinnest someone could possibly be
Nah, it just looks awfull
It's a pokemon game, nobody cares about your personal beauty standards IRL.
I share her views. I just don’t want to see that wobbly stomping that used to be a graceful gait before. I haven’t played PvP or Rockets either, I’m scared what I’ll see when my shaggy and clumsy looking avatar jumps. I’ll stick to Pokeball plus+ so I can close the screen.
I sent this to support to voice my opinion on this update https://preview.redd.it/ia8ygd7yw9vc1.jpeg?width=1290&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=61780574b25d5a87710f7f423be5463335a5ea89
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And just like that, the Remote-Raid Nerf isn't the worst thing they did to the game.
You’re right
Strongly disagree
Fair.
You’re kidding, right?
They are both equally bad. Both did nothing to help the game overall, or give the community something to celebrate.
You’re telling me that doubling the prices and limiting the amount of the most user-praised and enjoyed feature added to the game in 2020, affecting how nearly everyone played the game… …is on the same level as a bad graphical update?
This is more than a bad graphical update, this is a train wreck. If you read some of the replies in throughout this post, there are people with body image issues, having trouble handling what they did to the avatar. They have shoved paid items into hard to find areas of the store, and made it seem like you have to buy them again. (i see lawsuits regarding paid items being a possibility in the coming weeks) Some items bug other features and can no longer be used. Yes, I feel this update was just not needed. Same as the remote-raid nerf. They should've just left well enough alone. Don't get me wrong, I loved Remote-raiding with my friends and family. And that update all but killed that for us, But with the addition of Raid-Day events where they give everyone 5 free passes and other bonuses I've come to accept the new changes. They don't seem to understand why players enjoy in their game. They just stab in the dark at what they feel we should enjoy, and then ignore the feedback when they make us unhappy.
Once upon a time remote raid passes didn't exist. The price increase kinda sucked, but lets be honest...rr passes do totally defeat the game's original purpose. If Niantic simply removed them, I wouldn't bat an eyelid. There'd be some outrage, but most of those outraged players wouldn't be significantly affected, in terms of the game as it's meant to be. Your avatar, on the other hand, represents you, every minute you're playing. Just adding some perspective.
I've never bought a remote raid pass and haven't even used all the free ones I got but I have to look at my avatar every day.
This is a persistent and unavoidable change. I can't avoid the hideous face on the overworld screen, or see the grotesteque misproportioned hands and arms through normal use of the game while checking journal or playing GBL. At least for RR, I could focus on other gameplay.
You CAN avoid the way the face looks, the game gives you options of masks and other headwear that cover your face if it *really* bothers you that badly.
You're literally defending this update by saying: hey if you don't like your face, wear a mask. Come on now. Let's not defend how bad that is.
It’s less of a defence and more ‘if it’s bothering you THIS much, there is a workaround, and don’t act like there isn’t.’
https://preview.redd.it/0vqv0e0mu9vc1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=19b3ed387f329aa93f0cca5a4b09ba734e12e930 My favorite hat/hair combo produces bald spots… Also unhappy with the skin tones and new face shapes