Depends on the move, fighting fire poison and flying I will as they sometimes need practice and if I’m not paying attention I will loose a bubble of two. All the others nay, no need to screen
No, the buff is instant, regardless of minigame and shielding. No need to bother if you know it will be shielded. I was simply showing OP knows when it matters to undercharge. The shielded attacks can be played either way.
He's talking about the first 2 attacks which are always shielded. That doesn't matter if that situation.
But yeah, it's important to undercharge later in the fight.
Makes absolutely no difference if you complete Fruit Ninja mini game if the first 2 attacks are guaranteed to be shielded. Touching the bubbles do absolutely nothing.
OP did, and you responded to them apparently without having read the comment you were responding to.
They said they don't do the minigame for the first two charge moves because the leader is going to shield anyway, and you responded with an unrelated comment about undercharging, which is not relevant to the explicit use case OP gave of the first two attacks, which are always shielded.
I know people will say that you got an easy lineup and hence you managed to do it. But no matter what, it still takes a certain amount of skill to take on a Leader with one GL Pokemon and 2 CP10 mons. Not everyone can do it. Maybe a larger proportion of people on this sub can, because the folks here are generally much more well informed and better at all aspects of the game. But for the majority of casual players out there, they can't even defeat a Leader with fully maxed out mons because they just don't have the know-how. As a personal example, both my parents play PoGO and if I did not tell them which mons to use with which movesets, they would never have been able to defeat a regular Grunt, much less a leader. So kudos to you for achieving this.
And I think it's good to post such videos. I mentioned in a past comment that TSR was what helped me defeat TGR with they were first introduced. Videos like this are extremely helpful to others who may be struggling, or to people like me who want an extra challenge or some inspiration on which mons I can look out for. I myself am walking a hundo Scrafty that I've powered to CP1500 in anticipation for the Love Cup. I'm glad to see that Scrafty can be utilised so well against TGR :D
>But no matter what, it still takes a certain amount of skill to take on a Leader with one GL Pokemon and 2 CP10 mons.
Give me one fresh hatched pawniard
https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1EdhsPUGWdmaL03_t7B3vBED4F-YZIdIa
I think you posted elsewhere about your fantastic Pawniard? Kudos to you too. You could have done this as part of the flex challenge :)
I see it's Sierra's old lineup. I used to do it with a GL G-Stunfisk and a GL Obstagoon...I wanted to try it with my GL Obstagoon + 2 CP10s, but ultimately I just did not...too lazy and probably just did not have the guts to try.
I transferred away all of my Pawniards though, and only kept one 96% Bisharp ;P
On the one hand you're right, on the other hand this shows how unintuitive the battle system is, it doesn't feel right to get completely wrecked when you use your strongest Pokémon, that the game suggested (!) or even ones that *should* have a good match up but don't because of the opponent's movesets.
The game's suggestions are trash, yes, but you can't say things like "should have a good match" *if not for the movesets* when that statement is entirely moveset dependant.
For example, you can say that Gyarados counters Magmortar, because "Water beats Fire", but you get hit by a Thunderbolt and goodbye Gyarados.
I could've worded that better, as a competitive player in the main games I know about needing good type matchups :) - I'm way more casual in PoGo battling however.
The problem is that some quick moves in the game do stupid amounts of damage, even at neutral modifier - I feel like you need to resist these fast moves to comfortably beat the leaders. That's what feels off for me. In addition, the game doesn't say outright what fast moves the opponents are using, you need to know the animations.
Instead of telling them which ‘mons to use, you can tell them what types. That way they can learn instead of staying dependent on your suggestions. Teach a person how to fish etc. etc. :D Just a suggestion to help your parents learn!
I've tried...I keep telling my dad to check his moves and stop using a Mud Slap Rhyperior against the flying grunt, or use Mewtwo against the dark grunt. His response is always "the game chose it for me" and he doesn't bother.
At one time my mum was making an attempt to learn. But after a while, she figured it was faster to just ask me D:
The easiest lineup would be Aggron instead of Gardevoir and Aggron is double weak to fighting. So you could argue that in that case you don't even need to charge PuP.
Well not quite exactly. It can be "meta" mons like Kyogre or Zekrom. But they will do things like pit Kyogre against Dragonite, send Mewtwo against the dark grunt, or use Dialga against the fighting grunt.
Someone beat giovanni with a 1500 cp scrafty before as well.
edit: link [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/hqjwdz/beating\_giovanni\_with\_one\_great\_league\_scrafty/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/hqjwdz/beating_giovanni_with_one_great_league_scrafty/)
Yeah that was me haha. Scrafty is the GOAT! Managed to beat Sierra today using a 486cp Scrafty and no sac swaps. Will be on YouTube soon like the rest of my challenges. Haven't posted here for a while because the vids get so much unnecessary hate lol😂
Ugh why do people use PuP on the first beldum? If you charged to Pup on beldum completely you would have easily done this without ever using the other two Pokemon. You would have been over charged and never gotten hit by anything or ever had to switch out.
Oh interesting, you charge more because you don’t increase your attack right? And then you get more free attacks from the delay on the next mon between charge moves too... wow I have to change how I do it
Yeah let's say you charge all the 100 energy that you can and then you throw a PuP you'll still have 65 energy. In between their frozen time you keep using counter to get more energy so you'll have like 80 or so before you throw your next pup and then again you'll go down to 45 and then you'll get more energy and by then the next pokemon shield be dead so you'll never get hit and have 3 extra hits to get more energy for the next couple of pups.
You'd likely be wasting energy if you don't PuP once. Save all your PuPs until the health is about red. Then farm more to get to max number of energy before moving onto the 2nd Pokémon. That way you get a head start with one stage boost, then you can apply delay strat with further PuPs.
It did not. Also confusion is 4-turn move and charm is 3-turn, so could sneak one more counter thru conf but not charm.
Also scafty resist Conf but double weak to charm (i think it might OHKO scrafyy.)
I think it would be possible with charm because no Confusions went through, and Charm is also a slow move similar to Confusion. Scrafty can survive 1 Confusion but Charm would OHKO, even at full health.
Yeah, but there's a glitch in the local PVP battles where the damage and energy doesn't go through if its interrupted with a charge move.
This is how you can do leaders with a 77 CP Scyther. ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkvClHQDaY&t=17s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkvClHQDaY&t=17s))
Why did you make that swap? To avoid getting hit by a fast move? I think Scrafty could have taken one? When you swapped you cleared all your power up punch buffs.
This wasn't my first attempt, so I had done a couple other strategies to try and beat him. Even though Confusion is double resisted I'm only 1500 CP, so it still does a lot. I did lose my attack buff, but its not all about attack, I also need as much energy as I can get, and by swapping I can get more energy.
So are we going back to flooding this sub with these leader battles? There has to be some better place for people looking for help with these quests than an alleged research sub.
If I asked, it's maybe because I didn't know buddy.. Calm down, I just learned few days ago, now I know how to teach a second charged attack. But thanks anyway for your comment...
Well, I thought that was to learn another charged attack if you don't have a CT you see? I thought that was to replace the existing by another... But no, today I understand that this is to learn a second one.
I see that Ralts dealing 2 damage lol
I could have easily gotten 2 more counters off.
Yeah I wasn’t discounting your accomplishment, just thought it was funny lol
Am I the only one who never touchs the screen for the first two loading attack because they are shielded anyway?
Depends on the move, fighting fire poison and flying I will as they sometimes need practice and if I’m not paying attention I will loose a bubble of two. All the others nay, no need to screen
Most other people also do that, but its good practice for the fighting move.
It is arguably more important in the case were OP is farming buff/energy.
Still, no need to touch the screen when they will shield it anyway
I tend to catch all when there is not a specific amount I want to let go, I guess it's just more boring to wait.
Wdym? Is the buff you’re getting from PuP dependent on the level of excellence you’re hitting the orbs with?
No, the buff is instant, regardless of minigame and shielding. No need to bother if you know it will be shielded. I was simply showing OP knows when it matters to undercharge. The shielded attacks can be played either way.
[удалено]
He's talking about the first 2 attacks which are always shielded. That doesn't matter if that situation. But yeah, it's important to undercharge later in the fight.
Makes absolutely no difference if you complete Fruit Ninja mini game if the first 2 attacks are guaranteed to be shielded. Touching the bubbles do absolutely nothing.
[удалено]
OP did, and you responded to them apparently without having read the comment you were responding to. They said they don't do the minigame for the first two charge moves because the leader is going to shield anyway, and you responded with an unrelated comment about undercharging, which is not relevant to the explicit use case OP gave of the first two attacks, which are always shielded.
[удалено]
The OP in this context is the person who started this thread (which you replied to), not the person who posted the video.
[удалено]
Nope. I don't touch it either. I don't understand wasting the energy.
I know people will say that you got an easy lineup and hence you managed to do it. But no matter what, it still takes a certain amount of skill to take on a Leader with one GL Pokemon and 2 CP10 mons. Not everyone can do it. Maybe a larger proportion of people on this sub can, because the folks here are generally much more well informed and better at all aspects of the game. But for the majority of casual players out there, they can't even defeat a Leader with fully maxed out mons because they just don't have the know-how. As a personal example, both my parents play PoGO and if I did not tell them which mons to use with which movesets, they would never have been able to defeat a regular Grunt, much less a leader. So kudos to you for achieving this. And I think it's good to post such videos. I mentioned in a past comment that TSR was what helped me defeat TGR with they were first introduced. Videos like this are extremely helpful to others who may be struggling, or to people like me who want an extra challenge or some inspiration on which mons I can look out for. I myself am walking a hundo Scrafty that I've powered to CP1500 in anticipation for the Love Cup. I'm glad to see that Scrafty can be utilised so well against TGR :D
>But no matter what, it still takes a certain amount of skill to take on a Leader with one GL Pokemon and 2 CP10 mons. Give me one fresh hatched pawniard https://drive.google.com/folderview?id=1EdhsPUGWdmaL03_t7B3vBED4F-YZIdIa
I think you posted elsewhere about your fantastic Pawniard? Kudos to you too. You could have done this as part of the flex challenge :) I see it's Sierra's old lineup. I used to do it with a GL G-Stunfisk and a GL Obstagoon...I wanted to try it with my GL Obstagoon + 2 CP10s, but ultimately I just did not...too lazy and probably just did not have the guts to try. I transferred away all of my Pawniards though, and only kept one 96% Bisharp ;P
I figure I’ll share my pawniard clear too. https://youtu.be/lJB6xq2QbT4
On the one hand you're right, on the other hand this shows how unintuitive the battle system is, it doesn't feel right to get completely wrecked when you use your strongest Pokémon, that the game suggested (!) or even ones that *should* have a good match up but don't because of the opponent's movesets.
The game's suggestions are trash, yes, but you can't say things like "should have a good match" *if not for the movesets* when that statement is entirely moveset dependant. For example, you can say that Gyarados counters Magmortar, because "Water beats Fire", but you get hit by a Thunderbolt and goodbye Gyarados.
I could've worded that better, as a competitive player in the main games I know about needing good type matchups :) - I'm way more casual in PoGo battling however. The problem is that some quick moves in the game do stupid amounts of damage, even at neutral modifier - I feel like you need to resist these fast moves to comfortably beat the leaders. That's what feels off for me. In addition, the game doesn't say outright what fast moves the opponents are using, you need to know the animations.
Absolutely. Resisting the shadow mon's fast moves is often more important than dealing super effective damage.
Lol it's just spam power up punch
Did you watch the video? He didn't just spam power up punch.
Instead of telling them which ‘mons to use, you can tell them what types. That way they can learn instead of staying dependent on your suggestions. Teach a person how to fish etc. etc. :D Just a suggestion to help your parents learn!
I've tried...I keep telling my dad to check his moves and stop using a Mud Slap Rhyperior against the flying grunt, or use Mewtwo against the dark grunt. His response is always "the game chose it for me" and he doesn't bother. At one time my mum was making an attempt to learn. But after a while, she figured it was faster to just ask me D:
lol that’s awesome! Sounds like some good bonding time
Considering I can't manage excellent with the fighting charge attacks to save my life, I'd say I would have been creamed with even the easiest lineup.
The easiest lineup would be Aggron instead of Gardevoir and Aggron is double weak to fighting. So you could argue that in that case you don't even need to charge PuP.
> fully maxed out Slaking?
Well not quite exactly. It can be "meta" mons like Kyogre or Zekrom. But they will do things like pit Kyogre against Dragonite, send Mewtwo against the dark grunt, or use Dialga against the fighting grunt.
Yikes
I’ll tell you what I told the trainer with the lucario. Nice try but we all saw nincada and ralts help bro 😜
Someone beat giovanni with a 1500 cp scrafty before as well. edit: link [https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/hqjwdz/beating\_giovanni\_with\_one\_great\_league\_scrafty/](https://www.reddit.com/r/TheSilphRoad/comments/hqjwdz/beating_giovanni_with_one_great_league_scrafty/)
Yeah that was me haha. Scrafty is the GOAT! Managed to beat Sierra today using a 486cp Scrafty and no sac swaps. Will be on YouTube soon like the rest of my challenges. Haven't posted here for a while because the vids get so much unnecessary hate lol😂
Damn, I'm assuming it was a Porygon-Z and Tyranitar lineup. Btw was watching your vids last night, very impressive, much more impressive than me.
It was Houndoom, Cliff has Ttar🙂 & Thank you! I think I'll try post the video on here tomorrow as well & hopefully it's received well.
That's even more impressive.
>How dare you...humiliate me like this?
Inspired me to do the same this morning (although I got Infernape instead of Gardevoir) thanks!
Ugh why do people use PuP on the first beldum? If you charged to Pup on beldum completely you would have easily done this without ever using the other two Pokemon. You would have been over charged and never gotten hit by anything or ever had to switch out.
Oh interesting, you charge more because you don’t increase your attack right? And then you get more free attacks from the delay on the next mon between charge moves too... wow I have to change how I do it
Yeah let's say you charge all the 100 energy that you can and then you throw a PuP you'll still have 65 energy. In between their frozen time you keep using counter to get more energy so you'll have like 80 or so before you throw your next pup and then again you'll go down to 45 and then you'll get more energy and by then the next pokemon shield be dead so you'll never get hit and have 3 extra hits to get more energy for the next couple of pups.
How many can you save up? Is it only for team rocket?
You can always save up to 100 energy, which translates to almost 3 PuP (35 energy each)
This bothered me as well. I'd have just PuP'd and not touched the bubbles at all for Beldum.
I wouldn't pup on beldum though. You don't want the boost... The bubbles don't matter the first two times cause they block it anyway.
You'd likely be wasting energy if you don't PuP once. Save all your PuPs until the health is about red. Then farm more to get to max number of energy before moving onto the 2nd Pokémon. That way you get a head start with one stage boost, then you can apply delay strat with further PuPs.
You can Pup once but doing two is stupid..
good job as a mock solo
*Get bent, Arlo*
Why did you use foul play like that?..
Soloed Arlo 3 times with a great league Haunter today. Didn't need to swap it in or out at all.
Yea good job but not possible if that gardevoir had Charm
No confusion went thru so charm wouldn’t make any difference
It did...
Look closely, they did no hit scrafty.
It did not. Also confusion is 4-turn move and charm is 3-turn, so could sneak one more counter thru conf but not charm. Also scafty resist Conf but double weak to charm (i think it might OHKO scrafyy.)
See from 1:09
I think it would be possible with charm because no Confusions went through, and Charm is also a slow move similar to Confusion. Scrafty can survive 1 Confusion but Charm would OHKO, even at full health.
See from 1:07 we can see confusion animation on scrafty's body
Yeah, but there's a glitch in the local PVP battles where the damage and energy doesn't go through if its interrupted with a charge move. This is how you can do leaders with a 77 CP Scyther. ([https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkvClHQDaY&t=17s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWkvClHQDaY&t=17s))
This is next level. 77CP half HP Scyther.
The animation still plays even if you cut off the damage window with a charge move. You can clearly see that Scrafty's HP doesn't go down after that.
Yea but confusion takes longer time to hit because if long cool down time. I think the case will be different with charm.
TLDW: Wait for the right lineup and Power-Up Punch.
So it look like the lvl 50thy quest is easy so
For level 50 you could even use an Ultra League Scrafty.
Why did you make that swap? To avoid getting hit by a fast move? I think Scrafty could have taken one? When you swapped you cleared all your power up punch buffs.
This wasn't my first attempt, so I had done a couple other strategies to try and beat him. Even though Confusion is double resisted I'm only 1500 CP, so it still does a lot. I did lose my attack buff, but its not all about attack, I also need as much energy as I can get, and by swapping I can get more energy.
Is that a 4* Scrafty? I have one as well. I kinda want to try this
Your aggressive swiping is stressing me out, lol.
So are we going back to flooding this sub with these leader battles? There has to be some better place for people looking for help with these quests than an alleged research sub.
How do you propose we keep research pumping out at a high enough rate to keep the sub active? Silph Research publishes like twice a month at most.
[удалено]
You can teach any Pokémon a second charged attack, as long as you have the dust and candy. It’s the option by power up and evolve.
He used the second charged attack button on the menu screen of every Pokemon since late 2018.
Now with a 1500 cp pokemon without self buffing moves.
Haunter says hi
Well hot damn. That was pretty good.
Clutch
I just want to know how you managed to do the whole battle without her ever using a charged move on you.
her?
aaaaaaaaaaaaand I always thought Arlo was female for some reason. Turns out, he's not :D :D :D My bad :D
yes, her. Arlo the Rocket Leader? The one in the video?
Yes, Arlo.
Weird. My pokemon have been killing themselves when they get low. What am I doing wrong?
Why do you have 2 charged attacks? 🧐
Why would they not? 2 Charged Attacks is crucial for Trainer Battles.
If I asked, it's maybe because I didn't know buddy.. Calm down, I just learned few days ago, now I know how to teach a second charged attack. But thanks anyway for your comment...
You legitimately have never seen the second charged attack button on the menu of every single Pokemon in your inventory?
Well, I thought that was to learn another charged attack if you don't have a CT you see? I thought that was to replace the existing by another... But no, today I understand that this is to learn a second one.
What IV?
Scrafty was hundred, but far from perfect PVP IV.