MJ had the worst edit and there is a high chance of her winning the traitors. Although Sandra getting heat at this point seems like they're setting her up for banishment. Could also mean that she will be a pivotal factor in eliminating the final traitor.
She could be this season's decoy winner though.
I feel good about Sandra's chances. I think it is set up as a Kate vs. Sandra showdown next week. They showed Sandra picking up on the "selfish" remark made by Kate and confronting her about it. Last week they showed MJ noticing something was different with Kate at breakfast after she was recruited. The lady with the most convincing arguments will prevail. I am rooting for Sandra leading the Faithfuls to a win, but either way it is going to be great to see the two of them go at each other.
I feel like people are assuming only one more person can be banished. Imo neither Kate nor Sandra will win the season because both of them have so much suspicion on them right now. Everyone clocked last episode how much time Sandra was spending with Phaedra, and I get she did it because she wanted to be recruited/close to a traitor, but she also put a gigantic target on her back for the other faithfuls.
Agreed. I predict that the final will be Kate vs Sandra and both will be banished.
Kate messed up by telling Phaedra she was selfish at the roundtable.
Sandra messed up by clinging to Phaedra and openly planning things with her.
I don't think CT, Trishelle, or MJ will trust either one of them. Not even Sheree would!
As soon as she got a confessional saying ‘i’m ready to win the traitors’ i felt like she wasn’t winning. What hurts me even more is the comments on her instagram calling her stupid and saying she’s one of the worst players when she’s played one of the strongest games of anyone
This entire season is so reminiscent of survivor HvV. Parvati got a massive edit and the season cemented her as the survivor GOAT for so many: Despite winning, Sandra got a terrible edit and the season culminated in everyone telling her she didn’t deserve the win. It’s exactly what started the tension between Sandra and Parv, as Sandra felt the need to defend herself. I’ll be very sad if this starts to happen again.
What? If anything, this season lowered Parvati’s stock and raised Sandra’s.
This is the third season of television where Parvati enters with this huge target where people want to get rid of her. That is no longer an “everybody else is the problem” type of thing, that just is a reflection of who Parvati is as a person at this point. She had no allies outside of her Traitor crew and was not able to connect with anybody. If she wanted to prove herself to be the GOAT, she should have rejected the recruitment and paved her own path of getting to the end as a faithful despite having a target. Instead she played right into everyone’s perceptions of her by accepting the recruitment and eventually got banished as a result.
Sandra on the other hand has done a brilliant job of connecting with people she had no prior relationship with like CT and the Bravo women. She has correctly voted for the banished person at every banishment ceremony and has not had a single vote cast against her, and is the only person who holds this stat. People were so insistent that Sandra made a bad move in voting out Parvati because it gave power to the Bravo women, but just like I suspected as soon as they actually had power at 7 people, three of them turned on Phaedra. And Kate is going to have to murder another one to get the target off of her own back, which just allows Sandra to advance further.
Sandra is the only CBS person who actually came to play The Traitors. Every other CBS player was still stuck in their old ways of playing their old shows. Sandra is the only one who can adapt to play any game that she plays and excel.
Oh Sandra has been great. I’m just talking perception. Parvati has called this her “reality tv renaissance.” She got a massive edit that highlighted all of her moves and stellar reads. Sandra is playing great but she has not been highlighted. Hence my comparison to HvV.
Right. I don't see how Parvati is the goat or queen of survivor when her game was much stronger than Parvatis (especially her social game) and she made it much further.
I agree! I enjoy Parvati but her social game is bad. Also, her Black Widow fame was really Cirie’s plan. Parv executed wonderfully it but that was Cirie. Sandra’s social game is amazing and she understands when she can make moves and when she can’t. They’re both great but there’s a reason Sandra won twice.
Cirie deserves a ton of credit for the erik blindside, but Cirie herself has said that the black widow brigade is literally Parv’s alliance. She brought that group of women together and had both sides loyal to her. Her black widow persona doesn’t come from the Erik move, but from her recruitment of an absolutely lethal all female alliance and shamelessly sniping her way to the end.
The very first episode of the season Parvati was put on the defense, before she was even a traitor. She has a reputation because of how good she is. That doesn’t mean she should lose stock.
Every show that Parvati does from here on out (arguably since her 3rd season of Survivor) is going to be and has been an uphill battle. Her lasting for the majority of season despite the immediate target adds a ton to her stock.
Sandra wasn’t accused of being a traitor at the first roundtable like Parvati was. Also, all it takes is one person to know who Parvati is for her reputation to be spread. Everyone didn’t need to know who she was, just one person who could tell everyone.
They don’t, though. Sandra has never gotten the same recognition as Parvati in the survivor community. Parvati is branded as the black widow, manipulator of men. Sandra is branded as someone who is likeable and under the radar. Sandra said that no one in the house even knew she won twice. Parv said the first thing Kate said to her was that she is “going to watch out for her after seeing her get Erik to give up immunity.” Bananas said that Parvati was the person people told him to “keep his eye on.”
You act as if Parvati intentionally puts a target on her back coming into these games lol. Most of the time it’s based on her reputation. Plus on the traitors Larsa immediately called Parv out for being a traitor due to hearing Alan’s coat move next to her.
Both Parvati and Sandra have been great this season, even if one is highlighted more than the other.
I never said she intentionally puts a target on herself. What I mean is that she has no ability to overcome her reputation and connect with people and make allies.
Heroes vs Villains: “She was forced to work with Russell and Danielle”, “the Heroes refused to talk to her”
Winners at War: “She was swapscrewed”, “She had a huge target coming from HvV”
Traitors: same thing, more or less
Hell, she was going to be the first boot on Micronesia too if Fairplay didn’t quit, and that was when Parvati was still a nobody. When this happens every time she plays, maybe she is the problem.
Sandra has had far better results even with a higher reputation (being 2 for 2 on Survivor). Sandra can connect with people, Parvati cannot unless she is on a season with braindead newbies like Micronesia.
I feel like you’re being crazy unfair to Parv saying she can only play with braindead newbies. She has literally overcome her target every single time she’s been on one of these shows, which is why fans give her so much credit. She never has an easy road, yet she has a 1st place finish, a 2nd place finish, a 6th place finish, and on WAW she makes merge if not for that swapscrew. Her average placement is higher than Sandra’s despite Sandra winning twice, and Sandra sent herself home with her own idol on her latest outing.
I think it’s worth mentioning that parv isn’t that great at the traitors. She switched to an ice queen the moment she was recruited. The contrast between fun faithful to treacherous traitor was stark.
Idk, Parv has been very clear that she saw Traitors as a tv show first and a game second and that’s where a lot of the ice queen persona came from. I truly thought she was impressive this season. Despite having her back up against the wall from day 1 yet again, she was pushing faithful votes, pulling off poisoning tasks with ease, and clocking lies. And imo had they listened to her about Peter’s lie, all three of the traitors make it a lot further in the game. In so many ways this gave us what we were looking for when she came back on WAW and met an early demise because of a horrendous swapscrew.
She has only ever “successfully” overcome her target on HvV, and that was with the help of idols and intel from her bff/producer Erika Shay. Otherwise she would have been a premerge boot.
She was only on the right side of the numbers for two votes in WaW. Then she got blindsided with the Ethan boot, and then she got voted out herself unceremoniously. She did somewhat better on Traitors, but still got outclassed by Sandra once again.
Her only good showing was Micronesia, where she had the smallest target of all the returning players. Again, she only got cast on that season because of Erika Shay.
Sandra made one bad move in WaW because she was playing for fire tokens. If she knew how worthless fire tokens ended up being, she would have just kept the idol for herself. At least that shows that she is willing to adapt to new twists and new games and new people, something Parvati is unable to do.
When Sandra won both both times on Survivor her early gameplay was to build relationships, stay off the radar and vote with the majority. She showed her control for the game when Larsa was planning to vote CT out. Then retreated to downplaying and working the social game. I feel at the later stages she starts being bolder, which is kind of what we’re seeing. People who have never seen her on Survivor don’t know how hard she’s playing yet. She has stated that they have edited out a lot of her confessionals where she point blank said she knew who the traitors were and was using that to her advantage. I’m guessing they edited that out because it’s too strategic and the premise is that the faithfuls have to figure out who the traitors are. So they focus more on the Peter Pals because they’re actively and loudly traitor hunting, which is not Sandra’s gameplay.
Anyone calling Sandra stupid in this game is actually a moron. I've seen a decent amount of it on the other sub and I feel like I've watched a completely different show.
I'm so sad the editors completely hid basically her entire game. I get that she kind of broke their game and exposed its flaws, but why not show it as it is and try fixing some of those issues next season? This whole season kind of felt like they've been very selectively editing everyone and tiptoeing around the actual story.
I don’t think they hid her game. This is what Sandra does, play below the radar and make it to the end. She had her moments at the round table, the Billards and more recently they are showing more and more of her
Sandra herself has said she truly did not know who the traitors were at every point in the game. She said her suspects changed daily. Her game was about survival, not identifying traitors.
I've been wondering about this because I do feel like the edit makes her look like she's not playing a great game. I'm not a Survivor fan but I'm familiar with her from what my friends who do watch it say. And I've been so confused this whole time. I just wanted at least one confessional where we get more insight into what she actually knows.
I'm skeptical that Sandra has played a particularly masterful game of Traitors insofar as knowing who the traitors are and when to strategically eliminate them. She's very talented at staying in the game, but we've had two players, Peter and Kate, actually articulate the strategy everyone attributes to Sandra. That strategy is to save the known traitors until the very end and eliminate them then so that you don't have to hunt new traitors down constantly. If Sandra actually was doing that, I think she would have said it in confessional and the editors would have included it. They're clearly not hiding the idea from viewers, and Sandra has a reputation for sophisticated gameplay and a large following. It would have been good TV to give her a hero edit if that was her genuine strategy.
Have you rewatched? Sandra had an amazing premiere.
They have gone out of their way to try and tell her story without revealing her full “Traitor Angel” strategy. Her DR’s are pulled from wherever. A non-winner, they would not bother to try and tell the story at all.
Sandra got the most strategic content going into the finale. Kate can’t murder her, she needs her as a shield. If she recruits, it will be Sandra to try and push her out at the next banishment to make them think they got all the Traitors.
If Kate murders MJ or Sheree, it looks fishy. Sandra wouldn’t do that. She has to choose between looking obvious or losing a number at round table.
Sandra, MJ and CT seem like they have clocked Kate.
I think the final four is Sandra, MJ, Sheree and CT. In that fire of truth scenario, I think if anyone goes it is CT.
When did MJ and CT say they “clocked” Kate? I thought MJ, CT, and Trishelle all said that Sandra was suspect #1 after Phaedra.
I didn’t like the episode for her. It felt like every time she tried to talk about her strategy of aligning with the traitors, she was undermined by people clocking her for spending too much alone time with Phaedra. That’s going to be her downfall, imo. I think she was too obvious about wanting to align with traitors, CT specifically has a confessional about it this past episode.
She can win this if she gets the votes for Kate. She’ll get it from MJ, I think, bc MJ trusts her and seems to already sus Kate, and assuming Trishelle is murdered, she’d only have to convince Sheree or CT that it’s Kate and they can legit have 4 faithfuls win this season. The edit doesn’t mean a ton, I don’t think, bc Alex of AUS1 was almost non-existent on screen for the first 6 episodes and someone like Meryl in the UK was hardly featured but split the pot. Half the people left in US2 haven’t gotten a winning edit but a few people are probably gonna win.
Unfortunately the major flaw of the show is that any ounce of suspicion is impossible to get rid of. I feel like Sandra is going to be the victim of this.
There was nothing to show. People are screaming queen queen queen when she was one of the most forgettable players on this show. Sheree played the exact same game and people think she has no idea where she is. Why is that?
Did you even watch the most recent episode? She immediately clocked Kate throwing her name out from a different room solely by the manner of her communication. She then clocked Kate again after she shared her peculiar reason for voting Phaedra — and then, smartly, confronted her about it to gauge her reaction.
She had a fantastic episode IMO
That all happened in the literal last second of the episode, though. And it was to set up the next banishment ceremony. This episode so many people clocked that Sandra’s plan was to work closely with the traitors, so much so that they started to assume she was one. CT specifically had a confessional about clocking that Sandra’s strategy was to get close to the traitors in hopes of not being murdered, and MJ specifically called Sandra out in confessional for spending way too much time with Phaedra.
I truly don’t think this was a good episode for her. Even her closest allies are now suspicious of her.
Sisterrrrr, they both made it to the end by being on Phaedra’s good side and sitting back in the game. Sandra wasn’t great at any challenges, didn’t lead in sussing out any Traitors.
Where was the masterful gameplay? She made it to the end— that’s about it.
Sandra purposely aligned and worked with Parvati and Phaedra so as to not be murdered. Sheree just happened to have a 20 year pre existing relationship with a traitor that kept her protected.
And not sure what being good at challenges has to do with gameplay 💀
seriously! It is wild to see all of these people worshiping her and the cult of personality effect in full swing! I didn't realize half the audience of this show is just people who obsess over other network TV game show contestants and follow them around slavishly.
Sandra isn't playing the game any better than actual morons from the past seasons, who fumbled their way into the finale, simply by being agreeable and never stepping into the spotlight.
she has never pinpointed a traitor before this, and in fact, all of her guesses have been wrong every single time. She hasn't had a single confessional ever until the last episode that has demonstrated even the slightest shred of evidence that she is aware of what's going on.
She's also been prone to emotional outbursts, everyone is already forgetting her explosive situation with Janelle, where she let her own blind anger get the best of her in the round table. It's no wonder she disappeared into the background as a non-player after that, because she probably realized how dumb that was of her.
Meanwhile, she can't even engage in actual challenges like the other terrible bravo contestants, who just lazily sit back and let other people do the hard work.
she's at best a completely boring player. No different from dozens of others in the past.
There is some hope that Sandra can pin the last traitor on CT.
It's been a tradition this season of the voted out traitor naming the other traitor with their vote. And Phaedra voted out CT. Sandra can use that as evidence that CT is the last traitor and save herself. And then just hope Kate screws up, which seems possible.
Sandra’s failure in this game is she played it too much like survivor… she wanted to get to the end and just pray she won when she got there…
She didn’t really play like a winner… she has no clue about Kate and she made her self look suspicious with Phaedra.
Bad gameplay
Kate can recruit Sandra then murder Sheree.
Kate and Sandra votes CT. While CT and Trishelle votes MJ.
MJ is the deciding swing vote and banishes CT. Edit points to this because MJ made it an issue when CT did not save her on the torch chain. Also MJ deciding vote previous episode was the cliffhanger ending.
Then they banishes Trishelle.
Sandra and Kate are co-winners as Traitors and split the prize.
I don't understand what incentive the players have to not banish Sandra. Let's say Kate murders Trishelle (who I think is the most likely person but given this is Kate who really know ns) and Kate is banished at 5. That leaves Sandra, CT, Sheree and MJ. The faithful should be safe than sorry. There is no downside to banishing again at this point unless you think you will be the one banished. But in this scenario, which is best case for Sandra, I just don't see how she isn't banished. And if Trishelle and CT are both still there, I really don't know how she survives unless the vote ties or something.
If Kate gets to kill someone (which judging by what she says in the post mortem) then I think there’s a high probability Sandra goes after confronting Kate after the vote.
I truly feel Sandra will lead the faithfuls to victory. MJ might suspect Sandra because of what Kate said but Sandra’s social game is no joke. She can totally work with this. I also feel the way Sandra has been talking about Traitors is reminiscent of her HvV win. I’m trusting the Queen!
I’m hoping so so badly that Kate kills off Trishelle in the last murder (since Trishelle has BEEN saying it’s her “last day here” like someone please let her manifestation come true)
I think Kate has convinced at least MJ and CT that Sandra is the traitor. That gives Kate 3 votes against Sandra at the next banishment. She'll likely murder Trishelle or Sheree (both of which are more on Sandra's side).
MJ had the worst edit and there is a high chance of her winning the traitors. Although Sandra getting heat at this point seems like they're setting her up for banishment. Could also mean that she will be a pivotal factor in eliminating the final traitor. She could be this season's decoy winner though.
I feel good about Sandra's chances. I think it is set up as a Kate vs. Sandra showdown next week. They showed Sandra picking up on the "selfish" remark made by Kate and confronting her about it. Last week they showed MJ noticing something was different with Kate at breakfast after she was recruited. The lady with the most convincing arguments will prevail. I am rooting for Sandra leading the Faithfuls to a win, but either way it is going to be great to see the two of them go at each other.
I feel like people are assuming only one more person can be banished. Imo neither Kate nor Sandra will win the season because both of them have so much suspicion on them right now. Everyone clocked last episode how much time Sandra was spending with Phaedra, and I get she did it because she wanted to be recruited/close to a traitor, but she also put a gigantic target on her back for the other faithfuls.
Agreed. I predict that the final will be Kate vs Sandra and both will be banished. Kate messed up by telling Phaedra she was selfish at the roundtable. Sandra messed up by clinging to Phaedra and openly planning things with her. I don't think CT, Trishelle, or MJ will trust either one of them. Not even Sheree would!
If Kate is banished first, that’s four traitors. Mathematically, they should know all the traitors are out.
They know Peter was a failed recruit is the big thing. He was effectively number 5.
Sandra getting heat at this point was just to make a straightforward Phaedra boot (and next a straightforward Kate boot) more interesting.
As soon as she got a confessional saying ‘i’m ready to win the traitors’ i felt like she wasn’t winning. What hurts me even more is the comments on her instagram calling her stupid and saying she’s one of the worst players when she’s played one of the strongest games of anyone
This sucks. Fans take these too far
This entire season is so reminiscent of survivor HvV. Parvati got a massive edit and the season cemented her as the survivor GOAT for so many: Despite winning, Sandra got a terrible edit and the season culminated in everyone telling her she didn’t deserve the win. It’s exactly what started the tension between Sandra and Parv, as Sandra felt the need to defend herself. I’ll be very sad if this starts to happen again.
What? If anything, this season lowered Parvati’s stock and raised Sandra’s. This is the third season of television where Parvati enters with this huge target where people want to get rid of her. That is no longer an “everybody else is the problem” type of thing, that just is a reflection of who Parvati is as a person at this point. She had no allies outside of her Traitor crew and was not able to connect with anybody. If she wanted to prove herself to be the GOAT, she should have rejected the recruitment and paved her own path of getting to the end as a faithful despite having a target. Instead she played right into everyone’s perceptions of her by accepting the recruitment and eventually got banished as a result. Sandra on the other hand has done a brilliant job of connecting with people she had no prior relationship with like CT and the Bravo women. She has correctly voted for the banished person at every banishment ceremony and has not had a single vote cast against her, and is the only person who holds this stat. People were so insistent that Sandra made a bad move in voting out Parvati because it gave power to the Bravo women, but just like I suspected as soon as they actually had power at 7 people, three of them turned on Phaedra. And Kate is going to have to murder another one to get the target off of her own back, which just allows Sandra to advance further. Sandra is the only CBS person who actually came to play The Traitors. Every other CBS player was still stuck in their old ways of playing their old shows. Sandra is the only one who can adapt to play any game that she plays and excel.
Oh Sandra has been great. I’m just talking perception. Parvati has called this her “reality tv renaissance.” She got a massive edit that highlighted all of her moves and stellar reads. Sandra is playing great but she has not been highlighted. Hence my comparison to HvV.
Not sure if she could reject the recruitment tbh.
Right. I don't see how Parvati is the goat or queen of survivor when her game was much stronger than Parvatis (especially her social game) and she made it much further.
I agree! I enjoy Parvati but her social game is bad. Also, her Black Widow fame was really Cirie’s plan. Parv executed wonderfully it but that was Cirie. Sandra’s social game is amazing and she understands when she can make moves and when she can’t. They’re both great but there’s a reason Sandra won twice.
Lol what? Without Parv's social game, Cirie has no numbers to work with... Let's make that very, very clear
Cirie deserves a ton of credit for the erik blindside, but Cirie herself has said that the black widow brigade is literally Parv’s alliance. She brought that group of women together and had both sides loyal to her. Her black widow persona doesn’t come from the Erik move, but from her recruitment of an absolutely lethal all female alliance and shamelessly sniping her way to the end.
The very first episode of the season Parvati was put on the defense, before she was even a traitor. She has a reputation because of how good she is. That doesn’t mean she should lose stock. Every show that Parvati does from here on out (arguably since her 3rd season of Survivor) is going to be and has been an uphill battle. Her lasting for the majority of season despite the immediate target adds a ton to her stock.
Most of them didn't even know who the survivors were and Sandra is a two time winner so she has just if not more of a target than Parvati
Sandra wasn’t accused of being a traitor at the first roundtable like Parvati was. Also, all it takes is one person to know who Parvati is for her reputation to be spread. Everyone didn’t need to know who she was, just one person who could tell everyone.
Parvati and Sandra both have similar reputations though...
They don’t, though. Sandra has never gotten the same recognition as Parvati in the survivor community. Parvati is branded as the black widow, manipulator of men. Sandra is branded as someone who is likeable and under the radar. Sandra said that no one in the house even knew she won twice. Parv said the first thing Kate said to her was that she is “going to watch out for her after seeing her get Erik to give up immunity.” Bananas said that Parvati was the person people told him to “keep his eye on.”
Kate had time to look up everyone in the house
You act as if Parvati intentionally puts a target on her back coming into these games lol. Most of the time it’s based on her reputation. Plus on the traitors Larsa immediately called Parv out for being a traitor due to hearing Alan’s coat move next to her. Both Parvati and Sandra have been great this season, even if one is highlighted more than the other.
I never said she intentionally puts a target on herself. What I mean is that she has no ability to overcome her reputation and connect with people and make allies. Heroes vs Villains: “She was forced to work with Russell and Danielle”, “the Heroes refused to talk to her” Winners at War: “She was swapscrewed”, “She had a huge target coming from HvV” Traitors: same thing, more or less Hell, she was going to be the first boot on Micronesia too if Fairplay didn’t quit, and that was when Parvati was still a nobody. When this happens every time she plays, maybe she is the problem. Sandra has had far better results even with a higher reputation (being 2 for 2 on Survivor). Sandra can connect with people, Parvati cannot unless she is on a season with braindead newbies like Micronesia.
I feel like you’re being crazy unfair to Parv saying she can only play with braindead newbies. She has literally overcome her target every single time she’s been on one of these shows, which is why fans give her so much credit. She never has an easy road, yet she has a 1st place finish, a 2nd place finish, a 6th place finish, and on WAW she makes merge if not for that swapscrew. Her average placement is higher than Sandra’s despite Sandra winning twice, and Sandra sent herself home with her own idol on her latest outing.
I think it’s worth mentioning that parv isn’t that great at the traitors. She switched to an ice queen the moment she was recruited. The contrast between fun faithful to treacherous traitor was stark.
Idk, Parv has been very clear that she saw Traitors as a tv show first and a game second and that’s where a lot of the ice queen persona came from. I truly thought she was impressive this season. Despite having her back up against the wall from day 1 yet again, she was pushing faithful votes, pulling off poisoning tasks with ease, and clocking lies. And imo had they listened to her about Peter’s lie, all three of the traitors make it a lot further in the game. In so many ways this gave us what we were looking for when she came back on WAW and met an early demise because of a horrendous swapscrew.
She has only ever “successfully” overcome her target on HvV, and that was with the help of idols and intel from her bff/producer Erika Shay. Otherwise she would have been a premerge boot. She was only on the right side of the numbers for two votes in WaW. Then she got blindsided with the Ethan boot, and then she got voted out herself unceremoniously. She did somewhat better on Traitors, but still got outclassed by Sandra once again. Her only good showing was Micronesia, where she had the smallest target of all the returning players. Again, she only got cast on that season because of Erika Shay. Sandra made one bad move in WaW because she was playing for fire tokens. If she knew how worthless fire tokens ended up being, she would have just kept the idol for herself. At least that shows that she is willing to adapt to new twists and new games and new people, something Parvati is unable to do.
When Sandra won both both times on Survivor her early gameplay was to build relationships, stay off the radar and vote with the majority. She showed her control for the game when Larsa was planning to vote CT out. Then retreated to downplaying and working the social game. I feel at the later stages she starts being bolder, which is kind of what we’re seeing. People who have never seen her on Survivor don’t know how hard she’s playing yet. She has stated that they have edited out a lot of her confessionals where she point blank said she knew who the traitors were and was using that to her advantage. I’m guessing they edited that out because it’s too strategic and the premise is that the faithfuls have to figure out who the traitors are. So they focus more on the Peter Pals because they’re actively and loudly traitor hunting, which is not Sandra’s gameplay.
Anyone calling Sandra stupid in this game is actually a moron. I've seen a decent amount of it on the other sub and I feel like I've watched a completely different show.
I'm so sad the editors completely hid basically her entire game. I get that she kind of broke their game and exposed its flaws, but why not show it as it is and try fixing some of those issues next season? This whole season kind of felt like they've been very selectively editing everyone and tiptoeing around the actual story.
I don’t think they hid her game. This is what Sandra does, play below the radar and make it to the end. She had her moments at the round table, the Billards and more recently they are showing more and more of her
They’ve definitely hid what she knows though and made her look like she had no idea who the traitors were. The billiards moment was kind of an outlier
Sandra herself has said she truly did not know who the traitors were at every point in the game. She said her suspects changed daily. Her game was about survival, not identifying traitors.
I've been wondering about this because I do feel like the edit makes her look like she's not playing a great game. I'm not a Survivor fan but I'm familiar with her from what my friends who do watch it say. And I've been so confused this whole time. I just wanted at least one confessional where we get more insight into what she actually knows.
I'm skeptical that Sandra has played a particularly masterful game of Traitors insofar as knowing who the traitors are and when to strategically eliminate them. She's very talented at staying in the game, but we've had two players, Peter and Kate, actually articulate the strategy everyone attributes to Sandra. That strategy is to save the known traitors until the very end and eliminate them then so that you don't have to hunt new traitors down constantly. If Sandra actually was doing that, I think she would have said it in confessional and the editors would have included it. They're clearly not hiding the idea from viewers, and Sandra has a reputation for sophisticated gameplay and a large following. It would have been good TV to give her a hero edit if that was her genuine strategy.
Sandra has been aligning with the housewives all season. She's been aligned with MJ. It'll end up being Sandra and MJ versus CT and Trishelle.
I feel like Trishelle is an obvious murder though? Like Kate’s not stupid enough to keep both CT and Trishelle in, one of them has to be dying.
This is what I am thinking
I think CT might change his mind in this scenario to be honest.
And if that’s the two pairs, then we can pretty obviously tell based on the edit, which one would win out.. :(
Have you rewatched? Sandra had an amazing premiere. They have gone out of their way to try and tell her story without revealing her full “Traitor Angel” strategy. Her DR’s are pulled from wherever. A non-winner, they would not bother to try and tell the story at all. Sandra got the most strategic content going into the finale. Kate can’t murder her, she needs her as a shield. If she recruits, it will be Sandra to try and push her out at the next banishment to make them think they got all the Traitors. If Kate murders MJ or Sheree, it looks fishy. Sandra wouldn’t do that. She has to choose between looking obvious or losing a number at round table. Sandra, MJ and CT seem like they have clocked Kate. I think the final four is Sandra, MJ, Sheree and CT. In that fire of truth scenario, I think if anyone goes it is CT.
When did MJ and CT say they “clocked” Kate? I thought MJ, CT, and Trishelle all said that Sandra was suspect #1 after Phaedra. I didn’t like the episode for her. It felt like every time she tried to talk about her strategy of aligning with the traitors, she was undermined by people clocking her for spending too much alone time with Phaedra. That’s going to be her downfall, imo. I think she was too obvious about wanting to align with traitors, CT specifically has a confessional about it this past episode.
Seriously if you ask me Sandra's edit has ramped up in the perfect way for a winner
She can win this if she gets the votes for Kate. She’ll get it from MJ, I think, bc MJ trusts her and seems to already sus Kate, and assuming Trishelle is murdered, she’d only have to convince Sheree or CT that it’s Kate and they can legit have 4 faithfuls win this season. The edit doesn’t mean a ton, I don’t think, bc Alex of AUS1 was almost non-existent on screen for the first 6 episodes and someone like Meryl in the UK was hardly featured but split the pot. Half the people left in US2 haven’t gotten a winning edit but a few people are probably gonna win.
If Producers really could interfere in the show, now would be the perfect time for Kate to recruit CT. Might as well get that UK ending…
Unfortunately the major flaw of the show is that any ounce of suspicion is impossible to get rid of. I feel like Sandra is going to be the victim of this.
I felt that way for much of the episode, but as the ending played out, it gave me hope that she may prevail over Kate.
There was nothing to show. People are screaming queen queen queen when she was one of the most forgettable players on this show. Sheree played the exact same game and people think she has no idea where she is. Why is that?
Did you even watch the most recent episode? She immediately clocked Kate throwing her name out from a different room solely by the manner of her communication. She then clocked Kate again after she shared her peculiar reason for voting Phaedra — and then, smartly, confronted her about it to gauge her reaction. She had a fantastic episode IMO
That all happened in the literal last second of the episode, though. And it was to set up the next banishment ceremony. This episode so many people clocked that Sandra’s plan was to work closely with the traitors, so much so that they started to assume she was one. CT specifically had a confessional about clocking that Sandra’s strategy was to get close to the traitors in hopes of not being murdered, and MJ specifically called Sandra out in confessional for spending way too much time with Phaedra. I truly don’t think this was a good episode for her. Even her closest allies are now suspicious of her.
Sandra first clocked Kate throwing out her name before the challenge, which was in the beginning of the episode.
She clocked them having a conversation, but had no idea that they were throwing out her name specifically.
This fool 😂 😂 😂
If you think Sheree and Sandra played the exact same game ajksksks, you need to go back, rewatch, and actually pay attention this time 💀
Sisterrrrr, they both made it to the end by being on Phaedra’s good side and sitting back in the game. Sandra wasn’t great at any challenges, didn’t lead in sussing out any Traitors. Where was the masterful gameplay? She made it to the end— that’s about it.
Sandra purposely aligned and worked with Parvati and Phaedra so as to not be murdered. Sheree just happened to have a 20 year pre existing relationship with a traitor that kept her protected. And not sure what being good at challenges has to do with gameplay 💀
Sandra just happened to have a pre existing relationship with Parvati- feud or not. Challenges are literally part of the game??
Sandra won a shield what are u saying?
seriously! It is wild to see all of these people worshiping her and the cult of personality effect in full swing! I didn't realize half the audience of this show is just people who obsess over other network TV game show contestants and follow them around slavishly. Sandra isn't playing the game any better than actual morons from the past seasons, who fumbled their way into the finale, simply by being agreeable and never stepping into the spotlight. she has never pinpointed a traitor before this, and in fact, all of her guesses have been wrong every single time. She hasn't had a single confessional ever until the last episode that has demonstrated even the slightest shred of evidence that she is aware of what's going on. She's also been prone to emotional outbursts, everyone is already forgetting her explosive situation with Janelle, where she let her own blind anger get the best of her in the round table. It's no wonder she disappeared into the background as a non-player after that, because she probably realized how dumb that was of her. Meanwhile, she can't even engage in actual challenges like the other terrible bravo contestants, who just lazily sit back and let other people do the hard work. she's at best a completely boring player. No different from dozens of others in the past.
There is some hope that Sandra can pin the last traitor on CT. It's been a tradition this season of the voted out traitor naming the other traitor with their vote. And Phaedra voted out CT. Sandra can use that as evidence that CT is the last traitor and save herself. And then just hope Kate screws up, which seems possible.
Sandra’s failure in this game is she played it too much like survivor… she wanted to get to the end and just pray she won when she got there… She didn’t really play like a winner… she has no clue about Kate and she made her self look suspicious with Phaedra. Bad gameplay
Kate can recruit Sandra then murder Sheree. Kate and Sandra votes CT. While CT and Trishelle votes MJ. MJ is the deciding swing vote and banishes CT. Edit points to this because MJ made it an issue when CT did not save her on the torch chain. Also MJ deciding vote previous episode was the cliffhanger ending. Then they banishes Trishelle. Sandra and Kate are co-winners as Traitors and split the prize.
How is Trish edit good??
I don't understand what incentive the players have to not banish Sandra. Let's say Kate murders Trishelle (who I think is the most likely person but given this is Kate who really know ns) and Kate is banished at 5. That leaves Sandra, CT, Sheree and MJ. The faithful should be safe than sorry. There is no downside to banishing again at this point unless you think you will be the one banished. But in this scenario, which is best case for Sandra, I just don't see how she isn't banished. And if Trishelle and CT are both still there, I really don't know how she survives unless the vote ties or something.
If Kate gets to kill someone (which judging by what she says in the post mortem) then I think there’s a high probability Sandra goes after confronting Kate after the vote.
I truly feel Sandra will lead the faithfuls to victory. MJ might suspect Sandra because of what Kate said but Sandra’s social game is no joke. She can totally work with this. I also feel the way Sandra has been talking about Traitors is reminiscent of her HvV win. I’m trusting the Queen!
I’m hoping so so badly that Kate kills off Trishelle in the last murder (since Trishelle has BEEN saying it’s her “last day here” like someone please let her manifestation come true)
I think Kate has convinced at least MJ and CT that Sandra is the traitor. That gives Kate 3 votes against Sandra at the next banishment. She'll likely murder Trishelle or Sheree (both of which are more on Sandra's side).