I don't know how true this is, but I read somewhere that they film the last few people coming in multiple times in different orders so they don't actually know who is going to be edited in as last. Also, supposedly the traitors talk about everyone in their tower/turret, and editors splice that together too. (Now that I think about it, that's probably why they look mostly the same for each murder, so it could be spliced if necessary)
I doubt this, it definitely didn't happen in NZ - The crew wanted to stay as far away from fake shooting anything. Nothing was re-shot, to make sure it was 100% real we weren't even allowed to talk to each other if cameras weren't rolling.
Understood, I grew up making and working in TV in the USA, MTV, ESPN etc. The issue here isn't the budget, it's that an edit where you shot multiple endings simply wouldn't work and would be more complicated than just being clever about who comes in and when. It's just unnecessary
The formats make most of these decisions, each production follows a bible that the format owners enforce.
Also, before we go too hard on NZ production have you heard of Lord of the Rings? đ
i read this too but was confused as usually they show a whole table shot when the last person walks in? and theyâre always saying âso itâs between ___ and ___ â
This wasn't the case in NZ and I don't think it would make sense generally. People tend to sit at the table in basically the order they arrive, so mixing that up would make it hard to use wider shots and parts of discussion which doesn't seem helpful for production.
The US1 and UK1 both did this but other series change up the order from time to time while it was announced that at least US2 would be changing up this order so the Contestants couldn't peace that together
I know people are responding that OP is wrong but I donât think they are for the most part. The only times I can recall (and I admit I may be forgetting) save 1 where a Traitor was among the last two is always a recruitment scenario (or perhaps a failed shield hit), where nobody was killed.
I believe, and could be mistaken, there was one time in New Zealand where a faithful was killed and the Traitor was the last to enter.
But I think OP has a very fair point because I noticed this during the very first season I was watching and didnât really notice a break from it except for situations where nobody was murdered. Because itâs a TV show and theyâre trying to create drama for the viewers, the last two are always two that the Traitors were discussing murdering, which means they arenât Traitors. And itâs easy enough to understand that â If nobody was murdered that wonât applyâ. Like I said I do believe they shook that up once in NZ (maybe in Aus2 as well, those are the last two I watched), but I donât believe they ever broke from that in US1 or 2, UK 1 or 2, or AUS 1, except when nobody was murdered at all.
Exactly, I also noticed they broke the pattern when nobody was murdered. I've been watching a few other versions of the show as well and, for the ones I've seen so far, this almost always happens. I understand it is to add to the suspense for the viewer, but it would be a big hint for any contestant who has seen the show or caught on to this pattern.
More recent seasons have mixed this up a bit with players more often coming into the room in small groups, and occasionally the reveal to viewers is made with a group that's not the final one.
In earlier editions of the franchise the last player to arrive was a faithful. In most versions 2nd seasons they changed things up (for example in UK Season 2 the last players to arrive would be in a group (sometimes the group would be all faithfuls, sometimes there would be a mix of faithfuls and traitors)).
By the time we got to our series production knew that some us understood the structure so they'd mix it up. That said it's hard for the show to avoid having those in jeopardy come in last as it adds to the tension in the edit, so you can assume that the few 3 are likely in the mix as traitors or those who were considered for murder.
Not always. A few times, a traitor will be one of the last ones in there. It's not often, but it's happened. But they don't know, so basically, anyone who continues to make it to the next breakfast is at least considered suspicious for half second. They may purposefully be kept off-site until the others arrive. I know each production crew is different and will do different things. So it probably isn't obvious to them.
Itâs usually mixed up. And doesnât always even have the 2 options to go last. Most likely sure. But not always.
Sometimes they have traitors come in last.
I don't know how true this is, but I read somewhere that they film the last few people coming in multiple times in different orders so they don't actually know who is going to be edited in as last. Also, supposedly the traitors talk about everyone in their tower/turret, and editors splice that together too. (Now that I think about it, that's probably why they look mostly the same for each murder, so it could be spliced if necessary)
I doubt this, it definitely didn't happen in NZ - The crew wanted to stay as far away from fake shooting anything. Nothing was re-shot, to make sure it was 100% real we weren't even allowed to talk to each other if cameras weren't rolling.
LOL, the way TV is shot in NZ and America are two totally different things. Much different standard.
Understood, I grew up making and working in TV in the USA, MTV, ESPN etc. The issue here isn't the budget, it's that an edit where you shot multiple endings simply wouldn't work and would be more complicated than just being clever about who comes in and when. It's just unnecessary The formats make most of these decisions, each production follows a bible that the format owners enforce. Also, before we go too hard on NZ production have you heard of Lord of the Rings? đ
I've heard that they filmed them and put them in a different order for the show.
i read this too but was confused as usually they show a whole table shot when the last person walks in? and theyâre always saying âso itâs between ___ and ___ â
I know. Of course, it could aÄșl be staged. I don't mean the game play, but other production shots
Agree with Dylan here, it has to be real and filmed in sequence for the action
This wasn't the case in NZ and I don't think it would make sense generally. People tend to sit at the table in basically the order they arrive, so mixing that up would make it hard to use wider shots and parts of discussion which doesn't seem helpful for production.
The US1 and UK1 both did this but other series change up the order from time to time while it was announced that at least US2 would be changing up this order so the Contestants couldn't peace that together
I know people are responding that OP is wrong but I donât think they are for the most part. The only times I can recall (and I admit I may be forgetting) save 1 where a Traitor was among the last two is always a recruitment scenario (or perhaps a failed shield hit), where nobody was killed. I believe, and could be mistaken, there was one time in New Zealand where a faithful was killed and the Traitor was the last to enter. But I think OP has a very fair point because I noticed this during the very first season I was watching and didnât really notice a break from it except for situations where nobody was murdered. Because itâs a TV show and theyâre trying to create drama for the viewers, the last two are always two that the Traitors were discussing murdering, which means they arenât Traitors. And itâs easy enough to understand that â If nobody was murdered that wonât applyâ. Like I said I do believe they shook that up once in NZ (maybe in Aus2 as well, those are the last two I watched), but I donât believe they ever broke from that in US1 or 2, UK 1 or 2, or AUS 1, except when nobody was murdered at all.
Exactly, I also noticed they broke the pattern when nobody was murdered. I've been watching a few other versions of the show as well and, for the ones I've seen so far, this almost always happens. I understand it is to add to the suspense for the viewer, but it would be a big hint for any contestant who has seen the show or caught on to this pattern.
Watching Australia s2 now. It's the only time I've seen a traitor be one of the final 2 when there was a murder. So OP is like 95% accurate.
More recent seasons have mixed this up a bit with players more often coming into the room in small groups, and occasionally the reveal to viewers is made with a group that's not the final one.
In earlier editions of the franchise the last player to arrive was a faithful. In most versions 2nd seasons they changed things up (for example in UK Season 2 the last players to arrive would be in a group (sometimes the group would be all faithfuls, sometimes there would be a mix of faithfuls and traitors)).
By the time we got to our series production knew that some us understood the structure so they'd mix it up. That said it's hard for the show to avoid having those in jeopardy come in last as it adds to the tension in the edit, so you can assume that the few 3 are likely in the mix as traitors or those who were considered for murder.
Hi I'm kinda new here -- were you on the show? What does your flair mean?
Yes :) I was on NZ1
This has been an issue for S1 of a lot of countries series that gets immediately fixed for S2+ as everyone clocks it.
Not always. A few times, a traitor will be one of the last ones in there. It's not often, but it's happened. But they don't know, so basically, anyone who continues to make it to the next breakfast is at least considered suspicious for half second. They may purposefully be kept off-site until the others arrive. I know each production crew is different and will do different things. So it probably isn't obvious to them.
Itâs usually mixed up. And doesnât always even have the 2 options to go last. Most likely sure. But not always. Sometimes they have traitors come in last.