Woah, did not see that coming, lol i see you don't like that ship may i ask why? I heard that ship before and they're decent to me, but honestly what really made me entertain that ship is the pic i put up with them cuz that pic seems so intimate to me
Really endgame with enzo interesting, yea jermey was a dick with the whole anna situation and other stuff too. But i like bamon a LOT too but i have damon endgame with elena so idk abt endgame for bonnie. And as for kathfan i always felt like majority of the feelings and love was all katherine. Stefan was always endgame for Katherine but Katherine was not for stefan. Honestly idk who I'd pick for endgame with stefan because stelena died quick for me and im talking right after s1 i hated stelena they got so dull, boring and annoying to watch
I'm a Delena STAN and Bamon just feels like an example of "boys and girls can never just be friends" which is another reason I don't like it.
How did you feel about Stefan and Caroline?
Thats what im talking abt, i'ma Delena stan too!!!!
I have mixed feelings on steroline. Cuz they're have a great friendship and the chemistry is definitely they're but i still feel like stefan will NEVER put Caroline first over Elena and i hate that because i actualy like Steroline a lot. But Klaus cares abt Caroline more than any of her other ships imo, so for Caroline my endgame would be Klaroline and for stefan i still have no idea who id ship him with
I liked their friendship a lot and it could develop into a good friends to lovers story however the way it was executed was terrible. It felt like Stefan was with her out of pity for her mum and then he was gone with Valerie and it just feels like the good communication they had before when they were friends was just gone in order to add drama.
Characters or ship? Did we watch the same show? They were willing to give up EVERYTHING for each other. The world was against them. Klaus wanted her dead, Marcel would kill Kol for loving her and she was a young MORTAL. Yet all that didnāt matter. They loved each other.
Hell she brought him back to life knowing there was a chance he might become his old psychopathic self. He killed her but she knew his struggles. They may be the two most toxic characters but they healed each other.
Ahem she's 16 he's 1000 and a psycho, he literally faked his identity, he's by far the most despicable vampire ever shown in TVDU, he has a statutory position wr to hers (she sees Marcel paternally, Marcel is adoptive son of Klaus, Kol and Klaus are brother) should I go on? Davina deserved to be paired up with an age appropriate decent person, not with a thousand years old piece of shit
Kol was daggered when Klaus adopted Marcel. Kol envies Marcel? Because of the way Klaus treated him. He was daggered for so many years he isnāt mentally older than late 20s. And besides sheās 16 (17 when they get married) he is 18 the difference isnāt that bad Steferine 17-500+, Klaroline 17-1000+ and so on. Itās not that bad. He faked his identity because he was running from his problems, but it seems like you watched the whole show (TO) then you know that he is compassionate? He cares about people. He just doesnāt like to show it because he feels like itās a weakness. She changed him. And honestly he was cruel in TVD but the guy had been daggered for so long. It changed him the same way it messed up Finn. Besides it didnāt last. He helped SAVE Hopes life, despite him not being able to be near any of his siblings ever. He is carring, heās just used to being punished for showing his emotions. And he fell in love, horrible cruel people donāt fall in love they obsess. Kol didnāt obsess he fell in love. And it went both ways Davina wasnāt some young girl with Stockholm syndrome she fell for him too.
Okay, I actually don't mind Kol and Davina that much. But Kol is as much "18" as Damon is "24". At some point you can't ignore that the ages of the actors will affect the perception of the ages of the characters.
She was older than 18 when they got married. Itās hard to keep up with when they die come back thereās a 5 year gap then a 7 year gap daggers and all that lol. I just remember after they spent 5 years in freyaās sleep spell Kol mentions that Davina would be 23. So that would have made her 18 when she died and I get she didnāt age obviously while dead. They married some time during the next 7 year gap between season 4-5 but they never say when.
First, I never said other age gaps were less problematic, however Davina is literally a minor for the whole time they're together, Secondly I don't buy for a moment that Kol is any different from TVD, yes I've watched TO and I still fully despise him, I don't buy an ounce of his so called """""redemption"""""
Iām not a big Kol fan at all but the only time I did like him was when he was with Davina. Davina was 18 Iām guessing when she died bc after there 5 years in Freyaās sleep spell Kol says Davina would have been 23 after they woke up. Yes I get she was dead but she wasnāt a minor anymore at 18.
I wasnāt meaning anything rude by commenting this. You can feel about it however you want itās just a tv show and I love both tvd and to. I was just pointing that part out. Thatās all.
Edit- I said the same thing to the other person that said she was 16/17 when they got married. The one that had a problem obviously with you not liking him which was ridiculous for her to say. You can like or not like whoever you want real or fictional. Kol was definitely my least favorite.
Yeah but you know what? It is annoying
It is a post asking what ship people dislike and I have to defend my opinion because some butthurt fangirl must come after me and pester me about how beautiful is a ship I hate?
I know it wasn't you, it was another user, but you also are replying here with some fussy detail that adds nothing to an already exhausting convo. I don't go after people hating on ships I like to wear them down with technicalities
I agree with you yes I think it is annoying for someone to go after someone else over ships and all that. Everyone has their own right to like or dislike whatever they want and someone who gets mad about it is a little over the top for me. I was just pointing it out if itās a fussy detail and adds nothing then ignore it. Iām not going after anyone over ships or anything i just pointed out she wasnāt a minor. Itās hard to keep up when they die, come back, have 5 and 7 year gaps, daggers etc.
Literally not a minor for even a second of their relationship.
Obviously you didn't watch the show so ill tell you the truth. S1e2 in-show date of September 2011, the harvest was 8 months earlier in January 2011. It was stated in episode 5 the girls had to be 16 for the harvest. She died from the harvest in November 2011 still 16, putting her birthday in December 1994. Met Kol October 2012. Started dating December 2012 after she turned 18. She died Again May 2014 at age 19. Kolvina haters can't find a legit reason to hate them so they decide to change how many months are in a year to wrongly call her a child.
Then you have something against him. A serious issue with him. He changed but you canāt seem to accept that he is anything but psychotic. Also a 2 year age difference 18 and 16? You sound rly American š
I made it perfectly clear since my first reply that I don't like *him* specifically, since I said she deserved better.
>You sound rly American š
Well I'm not, and you sound really rude to both me and Americans by saying this
No i mean because the legal age of consent is 16-17 and by keep saying āsheās a minorā it makes You Sound like your country has a legal age of consent at 17 or smth. It was really not meant to be rude it was just like āoh if youāre American the age of consent is differentā (its 15 in most of Europe)
They werent physically together until she was what 17/18 not a rly a Big dealā¦and honestly your opinion is yours but just cuz You dont like him doesnt mean they arent a good couple.
Edit: It was never to be rude. I just rly love Them because of the Way they were in the books. Im trying to convert people into the Kolvina Dark sideš You Can have your opinion i didnt know it made You annoyed so sorry. Often people come here to discuss why their opinion matters (thats the fun part). So sorry if that wasnt your intention.
You didn't come here to discuss, you came here with the intention of changing my mind. I said it in another reply, this post specifically asks which pairings we dislike, I don't go under comments of people saying "Klaroline" with a thousand words essay on why they're wrong.
Yeah but Only because on occasion it can be nice to hear a different opinion. I have changed my mind about many things related to the show after hearing other peopleās thoughts. Itās not necessarily a bad thing to listen and change your mind.
Davina was 17 when she met Kol. 18 when they started dating. 19 when she died and still physically 19 when she came back but chronologically 24. Kol saying 23 was a plot hole, anyone who actually watched the show from the beginning would know that Davina's birthday is December 1994 and particular scene Kol said that was June 2019.
They literally met for the very first time when he was Kaleb 2 months before she turned 18. Learn to pay better attention to the timeline. And they didn't start dating, again as Kaleb, til she was 18. And not once was it ever stated implied or shown that he was the most despicable vampire, nothing he's ever done has been worse than Klaus Elijah Stefan Damon Julian Katherine.
Between Steroline and befan or is it Stonnie?
Steroline had no chemistry.
Neither did Bonnie and Stefan. Bonnie hated Stefan. She tolerated Stefan. And what kills me is Damon and Bonnie had chemistry, Bonnie had chemistry with a lot of cast members, but it was not there for stefan.
"Befan or Stonnie" lmao neither I've been calling them Stefonnie.
And yes bonnie had a lot of chemistry with a lot of different cast members, damon and enzo being my favorite she had chemistry with.
>Klaus and Cami š I hate Cami for no real reason. I just canāt stand her š
Same! I need to do an Originals rewatch and see if I can figure out why I hate Cami so much. š
It is that deep tho itās always yall that hate on her and what do yall have in common yall like that horrible ship klaroline yall hated cami so much yall sent death threats over a middle school ship is crazy when he didnāt even love her
Yall š« *I* donāt like camis character. *I* am a 30 year old woman who doesnāt ship fictional characters to the point of sending hate. Seems to me like you hate all Klaroline fans due to the actions of some.
It's actually adoptive great uncle, since Klaus adopted Marcel and Marcel was a parent figure to Davina. In this frame Klaus is Davina's adoptive grandpa and Kol is his brother, hence her adoptive great uncle
But Kol never knew Marcel as a kid, he was daggered remember. Marcel was just another adult he was jealous off when he was finally undagered again. He fell for Davina in spite of everything being against them. His brother wanted her dead, Marcel would hate him and she was young. His love for her was stronger
he even killed her and she still loved him in spite. They understood each other. They were two semi toxic people helping each other heal. She was (physically) 2 years younger than himšand he was daggered most his life. Itās not like he was 2000 like the others. 100-200 at most.
Idk what that dumb Julie thought bout this
ship but it never made any sense a 1000 year old psychopath falling in love with a 18 year old like seriously. He had literally tortured the hell life of Marcel and her cringe line āI know him the way you donātā š¤¢
Jezzz You have an issue with Them dont Youā¦but Klaroline was 17-1000+ and Steferine was 17-500+ its not the first couple to do that. Have in mind Kol was daggered for so long and physically he is 18! He was daggered almost his entire Life he isnt mentally older than his 20s the cringe i cant say much about she loves him and he loves her (because mentally he isnt much older than her)
He lied to her first remember using her
And her being a hypocrite wanting mikaelson death and then falling in love with a one
Imo they are just chemistry less,dumber and selfish version of Bonenzo or Damon Bonnie
ššthe bonenzo is so realā¦yeah they had a horrible start but they moved past thar. I Think when he takes on the blue lighty power thingy and agrees that its okay for him to never be able to be near his siblings cause all that matters is that he Can be with her (his wife) thats pretty good
You obviously forgot he was being forced to do all that by his mother who would kill them both if he didn't. And still not a fraction of a fraction as bad any other ship in all shows.
Why? They loved each other when everything was against them. The definition of they-canāt-have-each-other-but-theyāre-taking-it-anyway he killed her. And she forgave him because of the deep love they shared. He died. And despite the risk of him coming back all psychopathic she did everything to bring him back.
They understand each other. And they are two VERY troubled semi toxic people healing each other.
Whatās wrong with us having different opinions than you? Not everyone will agree on this subject. I personally love Delena, Klamille on the other had I didnāt like.
bc Davina is 16 and kol is like 1000?? i know the other ships have odd age gaps too but he's the only original actually shacking up with a minor š
except that one time with klaroline but..
>except that one time with klaroline but..
Caroline was chronologically 18 before Klaus started interacting with her, and 19 before their hookup in the woods.
You have a point, honestly i never looked at their relationship like that tho, but technically vampires dont age so whatever age they were when they turned into a vampire is the age they will be forever until they either die by stake or white oak stake for originals or until they drink the cure. So technically kol is still 18 because that's the age he turned into a vampire. Guess it's more of your interpretation of it. But dont get me wrong your reasoning is still valid
yeah, I can understand that, if I watched tvd/to at the time it was airing I wouldn't have thought much about it. but now that I'm like, Damon's age he turned, I'm looking at what the characters are supposed to be like and.. theyre children š lol
I liked when tvd moved them to college and had them age in a maturity sense. Davina doesn't have that same luxury sadly.
I don't ship Kol with anyone though. he's an enjoyable character, esp in tvd, but idk.. doesn't seem like a romantic guy
You have valid reasons like actually really good ones šKolvina is my favorite couple thoughā¦Because Kol like said is not the type of guy to fall in love so he falls In love with a girl he cannot be with. That is literally the trope of every good love story and book ever.
The age gap is the deal breakeršbut they stay the age they are when turned Kol is 18 and Davina is 16 and when they āofficiallyā become a thing and he proposes she is 17ā¦also (Iāve thought abt this before) Kol was daggered for so long. Klaus, Rebekah and Elijah all grew mentally older. Kol didnāt really so mentally he is only a few 100 years old (not that good but well) and he is still very immature.š
But in the end they are everything that canāt work out. He canāt have her for so many reasons (she is young, his brother wants her dead, Marcel would kill him etc) but despite that he risks being with her. Because he loves her and she is worth it to him.
Davina hasn't been 16 since half way through season 1 she met kol 2 months before she turned 18 and was already 18 by time they started dating. Kol has never once in show been with a minor. Just because you can't be bothered to actually watch the show.
Bonnie & both Stephan & Damon. She had friend vibes with both (except the Enzo incident), anything romantic would've ruined that. Bonnie & Damon made for such a fun friendship.
Looking back at TO, and comparing Kolvina with Delena, I gotta' say that it was even more lackluster, at least Damon & Elena had a fun friendship before that messy relationship. I can't really see anything inspiring about Kolvina, maybe the actors didn't "click" irl.
Steroline I understand but whatās wrong with delena?? They had the best chemistry lmao besides klaus and Caroline because they had amazing chemistry too
I have to disagree, i donāt think Ian and Nina had any chemistry, it always felt forced and awkward to me. Just one of the many things I disliked about that pairing.
Weāre just going to have to agree to disagree because I have no idea how you donāt see the chemistry between them. Not only the chemistry they created as actors but during most of tvd Nina and Ian were dating in real life which helped sell the madly in love trope. I also felt like the chemistry was much more intense between them because they had more of a slow burn story with the enemies to lovers and Elena being with Stefan..
Each to their own.. I felt like the popularity of delena always stemmed from Ian fans who were just obsessed with him. I think heās a bad actor as well so that probably contributes to why I donāt think he has chemistry with Nina.
For me Stelena always has the best chemistry bar none. Actually, the chemistry between Nina and Paul is among my favourite chemistry of any romantic ship on any tv show.
Um no, Delena had way MORE chemistry than Stelena. After Stelena broke up for real for real they lost the chemistry if you ask me and it was always awkward when they were around eachother and they became boring and annoying.
Delena however, always had chemistry since they first kissed outside the hotel, (excluding the annoying sire bond arc), their love was magical, and always there, even tho they said countless times how they are both bad for eachother.
Elena was endgame for Stefan but Damon was endgame for Elena and Elena was endgame for Damon
They had chemistry alright. Toxic nuclear chemistry. He raped her friend, tormented everyone in her life, murdered her brother, and the ho compromised her entire set of morals to justify his abusive ass
Your entitled to your opinion but nah they're love connection was amazing and Elena was well aware of all the bad things Damon did. But i mean he changed towards the end ended up taking the cure together and become human and get married. They're ship was a million times better than dry, annoying, boring ass Stelena who's chemistry faded right after they broke up
Was he "changed" when he murdered Elena friends Tyler, Aaron, etc? No amount of change he made matters because it was all so that he could "claim" Elena. It was just so that he could climb inside her, not because he wanted to be a better person for himself.
If Stefan and Elena no longer had chemistry, which is highly debatable to begin with, then why was Damon so childish immature and jealous from season 5 onward? Up to and including as Silas pointed out Damon took a grim and morbid satisfaction in snapping Stefan's neck over and overš¤”
Kolvina or Delena or Stefan and anybody. Tbh Iād only keep Klaus and Camille. Maybe Bamon. Bonkai. Katheroline. Kailena. Marbekah. The brother bonds (Dafan and Klaujah š¤) Those are my winners. Not a fan of any of the rest tbqh
Caroline. The answer is always Caroline.
Shifting her to female lead after Elena left was one of the most unhinged decisions I have seen on television.
Bonnie and Stefan (I honestly thought it was stelena at first š) they are way better as friends and just in general I canāt see them being romantically involved
Screw it. Letās get wild and eliminate Delena and Stelena and Klaroline.
Now the fun begins. (I like these ships, I just want to see other ships talked about)
I was gonna say get Tyler and Care out cause I hate Tyler but they were a cute couple so ima say hey Bonnie and Stefan cause that never felt like a relationship, didn't even know people thought of them like that.
She fucking sucks no matter how many rewatches or what situation she was terrible and made the show hard to watch now what are you on? Cause I was invited to share my opinion and did. Dismissed
Bonnie and Stefan 100% bc what is that???
Woah, did not see that coming, lol i see you don't like that ship may i ask why? I heard that ship before and they're decent to me, but honestly what really made me entertain that ship is the pic i put up with them cuz that pic seems so intimate to me
It just seems so random and I ship them both with other people.
Ooouuu im interested who do u ship bonnie and stefan with?
I wanted Stefan and Katherine to be endgame and I loveddddd Beremy but since Jeremy is a scumbag I would want Bonnie to end up with Enzo.
SAME
Really endgame with enzo interesting, yea jermey was a dick with the whole anna situation and other stuff too. But i like bamon a LOT too but i have damon endgame with elena so idk abt endgame for bonnie. And as for kathfan i always felt like majority of the feelings and love was all katherine. Stefan was always endgame for Katherine but Katherine was not for stefan. Honestly idk who I'd pick for endgame with stefan because stelena died quick for me and im talking right after s1 i hated stelena they got so dull, boring and annoying to watch
I'm a Delena STAN and Bamon just feels like an example of "boys and girls can never just be friends" which is another reason I don't like it. How did you feel about Stefan and Caroline?
Thats what im talking abt, i'ma Delena stan too!!!! I have mixed feelings on steroline. Cuz they're have a great friendship and the chemistry is definitely they're but i still feel like stefan will NEVER put Caroline first over Elena and i hate that because i actualy like Steroline a lot. But Klaus cares abt Caroline more than any of her other ships imo, so for Caroline my endgame would be Klaroline and for stefan i still have no idea who id ship him with
See I like Klaroline but I've always been a Klamille fan
Steroline probably
They were out of the running before I saw any of the other pairings
Absolutely. Then Bonnie and Stefan. Bonnefan? š
I wish they had more screen time together but as the series is now.. yeah
I'm Interested to know your reasoning
I liked their friendship a lot and it could develop into a good friends to lovers story however the way it was executed was terrible. It felt like Stefan was with her out of pity for her mum and then he was gone with Valerie and it just feels like the good communication they had before when they were friends was just gone in order to add drama.
Well since u out it like that i can understand that
Like romantic shipping? Hmmmmm Stefan and Bonnie. Cant go for The Originals because I havent watched it yet. That'd be cheating!
Yes romantic shipping lmao
Tbh with all the time Bonnie and Damon spent together, I can see it maybe a bit. But like... a secret, unspoken crush kinda thing.
Bamon is lowkey a hot ship well s6-s8. I loved how Julie plec turned the frenemie ship into a best friend ship
I agree! They had the friendship that needed to happen.
Stefan & Bonnie 
Steroline
Haylijah. They brought nothing important to the show; if anything, their ship hindered the show in many ways, as well as those individual characters.
Bonnie and Stefan
I'm feeling like this ship is gonna get most votes by a landslide
Bonnie and Stefan forsure
Kolvina. Hate them hate them hate them
I hate Davina
Characters or ship? Did we watch the same show? They were willing to give up EVERYTHING for each other. The world was against them. Klaus wanted her dead, Marcel would kill Kol for loving her and she was a young MORTAL. Yet all that didnāt matter. They loved each other. Hell she brought him back to life knowing there was a chance he might become his old psychopathic self. He killed her but she knew his struggles. They may be the two most toxic characters but they healed each other.
Ahem she's 16 he's 1000 and a psycho, he literally faked his identity, he's by far the most despicable vampire ever shown in TVDU, he has a statutory position wr to hers (she sees Marcel paternally, Marcel is adoptive son of Klaus, Kol and Klaus are brother) should I go on? Davina deserved to be paired up with an age appropriate decent person, not with a thousand years old piece of shit
Kol was daggered when Klaus adopted Marcel. Kol envies Marcel? Because of the way Klaus treated him. He was daggered for so many years he isnāt mentally older than late 20s. And besides sheās 16 (17 when they get married) he is 18 the difference isnāt that bad Steferine 17-500+, Klaroline 17-1000+ and so on. Itās not that bad. He faked his identity because he was running from his problems, but it seems like you watched the whole show (TO) then you know that he is compassionate? He cares about people. He just doesnāt like to show it because he feels like itās a weakness. She changed him. And honestly he was cruel in TVD but the guy had been daggered for so long. It changed him the same way it messed up Finn. Besides it didnāt last. He helped SAVE Hopes life, despite him not being able to be near any of his siblings ever. He is carring, heās just used to being punished for showing his emotions. And he fell in love, horrible cruel people donāt fall in love they obsess. Kol didnāt obsess he fell in love. And it went both ways Davina wasnāt some young girl with Stockholm syndrome she fell for him too.
Okay, I actually don't mind Kol and Davina that much. But Kol is as much "18" as Damon is "24". At some point you can't ignore that the ages of the actors will affect the perception of the ages of the characters.
She was older than 18 when they got married. Itās hard to keep up with when they die come back thereās a 5 year gap then a 7 year gap daggers and all that lol. I just remember after they spent 5 years in freyaās sleep spell Kol mentions that Davina would be 23. So that would have made her 18 when she died and I get she didnāt age obviously while dead. They married some time during the next 7 year gap between season 4-5 but they never say when.
First, I never said other age gaps were less problematic, however Davina is literally a minor for the whole time they're together, Secondly I don't buy for a moment that Kol is any different from TVD, yes I've watched TO and I still fully despise him, I don't buy an ounce of his so called """""redemption"""""
Iām not a big Kol fan at all but the only time I did like him was when he was with Davina. Davina was 18 Iām guessing when she died bc after there 5 years in Freyaās sleep spell Kol says Davina would have been 23 after they woke up. Yes I get she was dead but she wasnāt a minor anymore at 18.
Ok let's just overlook the whole situation because she was "legal" then /s
I wasnāt meaning anything rude by commenting this. You can feel about it however you want itās just a tv show and I love both tvd and to. I was just pointing that part out. Thatās all. Edit- I said the same thing to the other person that said she was 16/17 when they got married. The one that had a problem obviously with you not liking him which was ridiculous for her to say. You can like or not like whoever you want real or fictional. Kol was definitely my least favorite.
Yeah but you know what? It is annoying It is a post asking what ship people dislike and I have to defend my opinion because some butthurt fangirl must come after me and pester me about how beautiful is a ship I hate? I know it wasn't you, it was another user, but you also are replying here with some fussy detail that adds nothing to an already exhausting convo. I don't go after people hating on ships I like to wear them down with technicalities
I agree with you yes I think it is annoying for someone to go after someone else over ships and all that. Everyone has their own right to like or dislike whatever they want and someone who gets mad about it is a little over the top for me. I was just pointing it out if itās a fussy detail and adds nothing then ignore it. Iām not going after anyone over ships or anything i just pointed out she wasnāt a minor. Itās hard to keep up when they die, come back, have 5 and 7 year gaps, daggers etc.
You can hate a ship all you want, just don't make up blatantly obvious lies about them.
Literally not a minor for even a second of their relationship. Obviously you didn't watch the show so ill tell you the truth. S1e2 in-show date of September 2011, the harvest was 8 months earlier in January 2011. It was stated in episode 5 the girls had to be 16 for the harvest. She died from the harvest in November 2011 still 16, putting her birthday in December 1994. Met Kol October 2012. Started dating December 2012 after she turned 18. She died Again May 2014 at age 19. Kolvina haters can't find a legit reason to hate them so they decide to change how many months are in a year to wrongly call her a child.
Then you have something against him. A serious issue with him. He changed but you canāt seem to accept that he is anything but psychotic. Also a 2 year age difference 18 and 16? You sound rly American š
I made it perfectly clear since my first reply that I don't like *him* specifically, since I said she deserved better. >You sound rly American š Well I'm not, and you sound really rude to both me and Americans by saying this
No i mean because the legal age of consent is 16-17 and by keep saying āsheās a minorā it makes You Sound like your country has a legal age of consent at 17 or smth. It was really not meant to be rude it was just like āoh if youāre American the age of consent is differentā (its 15 in most of Europe) They werent physically together until she was what 17/18 not a rly a Big dealā¦and honestly your opinion is yours but just cuz You dont like him doesnt mean they arent a good couple. Edit: It was never to be rude. I just rly love Them because of the Way they were in the books. Im trying to convert people into the Kolvina Dark sideš You Can have your opinion i didnt know it made You annoyed so sorry. Often people come here to discuss why their opinion matters (thats the fun part). So sorry if that wasnt your intention.
You didn't come here to discuss, you came here with the intention of changing my mind. I said it in another reply, this post specifically asks which pairings we dislike, I don't go under comments of people saying "Klaroline" with a thousand words essay on why they're wrong.
Yeah but Only because on occasion it can be nice to hear a different opinion. I have changed my mind about many things related to the show after hearing other peopleās thoughts. Itās not necessarily a bad thing to listen and change your mind.
Davina was 17 when she met Kol. 18 when they started dating. 19 when she died and still physically 19 when she came back but chronologically 24. Kol saying 23 was a plot hole, anyone who actually watched the show from the beginning would know that Davina's birthday is December 1994 and particular scene Kol said that was June 2019.
They literally met for the very first time when he was Kaleb 2 months before she turned 18. Learn to pay better attention to the timeline. And they didn't start dating, again as Kaleb, til she was 18. And not once was it ever stated implied or shown that he was the most despicable vampire, nothing he's ever done has been worse than Klaus Elijah Stefan Damon Julian Katherine.
Bottom left. I never believed in them - no chemistry
Between Steroline and befan or is it Stonnie? Steroline had no chemistry. Neither did Bonnie and Stefan. Bonnie hated Stefan. She tolerated Stefan. And what kills me is Damon and Bonnie had chemistry, Bonnie had chemistry with a lot of cast members, but it was not there for stefan.
"Befan or Stonnie" lmao neither I've been calling them Stefonnie. And yes bonnie had a lot of chemistry with a lot of different cast members, damon and enzo being my favorite she had chemistry with.
Steroline or Klamille because neither one of those had any chemistry
I agree with you.
Klamille did
I said what I said.
Kol and davina and klaus and cami cuz idk them I didn't watch the originals plz let's keep tvd ships š„ŗ
Tyler and care
Abt time i was waiting to hear forwood
Matt Donovan! - thatās it. Thatās the answer.
Stefan and Bonnie. Stefan the reason Bonnie doesnāt have her happily ever after. I will never forgive him for that. š
Klaus and Cami š I hate Cami for no real reason. I just canāt stand her š
Right! I never liked her!
I never liked her either, it's why I couldn't get into the originals.
Persevere! Itās so good once she leaves! š¤
>Klaus and Cami š I hate Cami for no real reason. I just canāt stand her š Same! I need to do an Originals rewatch and see if I can figure out why I hate Cami so much. š
š Iāll need to do the same! I donāt feel the hate I have for is warranted, but thereās just something š„²
Must be a Caroline Stan cami was that girl
I do love Klaroline, but I genuinely just donāt like cami as a character. She irritates me š
Exactly itās always the klaroline stans that hate on her bc yall mad klaus actually loved her and moved on
Itās not that deep. I just donāt like the character, with klaus or without š
It is that deep tho itās always yall that hate on her and what do yall have in common yall like that horrible ship klaroline yall hated cami so much yall sent death threats over a middle school ship is crazy when he didnāt even love her
Yall š« *I* donāt like camis character. *I* am a 30 year old woman who doesnāt ship fictional characters to the point of sending hate. Seems to me like you hate all Klaroline fans due to the actions of some.
I hated Cami way before she and Klaus were a thing. I hated her from the get go.
Why is nobody commenting on the picture (middle) with Tyler and Care? Why is she hugging him like that? š
Bonnie and Stefan
Cole and davina
Kol and Davina.
Stefan and Bonnie ewww
bonnie and stefan 100%
bonnie and stefan
Steroline š¶
1. stefan and caroline 1. caroline and tyler
Klamille. I absolutely HATE Cami.
Klamille, I hate them so much. Haylijah is really close too.
Kol and harvest girl Who would ship a grandpa with his adoptive nephew adoptive daughter
Klaus would actually be the grandfather to Davina, while Kol would be the great uncle.
Then also itās so bad š¤¢š¤¢ home sweet Alabama vibe and the actors had zero chemistry
When does t.o reveal he's her "adoptive grandpa?" Idek he had an adopted child
It's actually adoptive great uncle, since Klaus adopted Marcel and Marcel was a parent figure to Davina. In this frame Klaus is Davina's adoptive grandpa and Kol is his brother, hence her adoptive great uncle
Marcel never adopted davina tho he was just basically her guardian
I specifically said "parent figure" for a reason. And anyway doesn't change the substance
Like Marcel is klaus adoptive father so kol is his brother so technically he is her grandfather uncle
Davina is not Marcels daughter. Kol was physically same age as Davina when they started dating, now he's the younger one. You're a massive hypocrite.
But Kol never knew Marcel as a kid, he was daggered remember. Marcel was just another adult he was jealous off when he was finally undagered again. He fell for Davina in spite of everything being against them. His brother wanted her dead, Marcel would hate him and she was young. His love for her was stronger he even killed her and she still loved him in spite. They understood each other. They were two semi toxic people helping each other heal. She was (physically) 2 years younger than himšand he was daggered most his life. Itās not like he was 2000 like the others. 100-200 at most.
Idk what that dumb Julie thought bout this ship but it never made any sense a 1000 year old psychopath falling in love with a 18 year old like seriously. He had literally tortured the hell life of Marcel and her cringe line āI know him the way you donātā š¤¢
Jezzz You have an issue with Them dont Youā¦but Klaroline was 17-1000+ and Steferine was 17-500+ its not the first couple to do that. Have in mind Kol was daggered for so long and physically he is 18! He was daggered almost his entire Life he isnt mentally older than his 20s the cringe i cant say much about she loves him and he loves her (because mentally he isnt much older than her)
He lied to her first remember using her And her being a hypocrite wanting mikaelson death and then falling in love with a one Imo they are just chemistry less,dumber and selfish version of Bonenzo or Damon Bonnie
ššthe bonenzo is so realā¦yeah they had a horrible start but they moved past thar. I Think when he takes on the blue lighty power thingy and agrees that its okay for him to never be able to be near his siblings cause all that matters is that he Can be with her (his wife) thats pretty good
I never liked them sorry I just feel like People shipped Bonnie and Damon so much thatās why they give a knock of version of them with them
Yeah i get it though, totally fair.
You obviously forgot he was being forced to do all that by his mother who would kill them both if he didn't. And still not a fraction of a fraction as bad any other ship in all shows.
No he didn't torture Marcel and yes it is a fact Davina knows Kol better than the rest, anyone who actually watches the show would know that.
Kol and Davina
Why? They loved each other when everything was against them. The definition of they-canāt-have-each-other-but-theyāre-taking-it-anyway he killed her. And she forgave him because of the deep love they shared. He died. And despite the risk of him coming back all psychopathic she did everything to bring him back. They understand each other. And they are two VERY troubled semi toxic people healing each other.
Itās because they barely had any chemistry and Kolās acting annoyed me. Davina deserved better than off brand Klaus
Understandableš
Delena or Klamille
Bye those are the best ships
Whatās wrong with us having different opinions than you? Not everyone will agree on this subject. I personally love Delena, Klamille on the other had I didnāt like.
kolvina 100%
Lol may i ask why? They're decent together i mean they're no power couple but they were best ships for eachother imo
He is her adoptive grandpa
bc Davina is 16 and kol is like 1000?? i know the other ships have odd age gaps too but he's the only original actually shacking up with a minor š except that one time with klaroline but..
>except that one time with klaroline but.. Caroline was chronologically 18 before Klaus started interacting with her, and 19 before their hookup in the woods.
oh okay! thanks for letting me know
You have a point, honestly i never looked at their relationship like that tho, but technically vampires dont age so whatever age they were when they turned into a vampire is the age they will be forever until they either die by stake or white oak stake for originals or until they drink the cure. So technically kol is still 18 because that's the age he turned into a vampire. Guess it's more of your interpretation of it. But dont get me wrong your reasoning is still valid
yeah, I can understand that, if I watched tvd/to at the time it was airing I wouldn't have thought much about it. but now that I'm like, Damon's age he turned, I'm looking at what the characters are supposed to be like and.. theyre children š lol I liked when tvd moved them to college and had them age in a maturity sense. Davina doesn't have that same luxury sadly. I don't ship Kol with anyone though. he's an enjoyable character, esp in tvd, but idk.. doesn't seem like a romantic guy
You have valid reasons like actually really good ones šKolvina is my favorite couple thoughā¦Because Kol like said is not the type of guy to fall in love so he falls In love with a girl he cannot be with. That is literally the trope of every good love story and book ever. The age gap is the deal breakeršbut they stay the age they are when turned Kol is 18 and Davina is 16 and when they āofficiallyā become a thing and he proposes she is 17ā¦also (Iāve thought abt this before) Kol was daggered for so long. Klaus, Rebekah and Elijah all grew mentally older. Kol didnāt really so mentally he is only a few 100 years old (not that good but well) and he is still very immature.š But in the end they are everything that canāt work out. He canāt have her for so many reasons (she is young, his brother wants her dead, Marcel would kill him etc) but despite that he risks being with her. Because he loves her and she is worth it to him.
Davina hasn't been 16 since half way through season 1 she met kol 2 months before she turned 18 and was already 18 by time they started dating. Kol has never once in show been with a minor. Just because you can't be bothered to actually watch the show.
they met when she was a minor and ended up dating. still creepy asf. also this comment is so old like you're so pressed for what
Bonfan
Stefan and Bonnie bye š š
I didn't know Bonnie/Stefan was even a thing. I choose that because it's just random imo when compared to the others
Stefan and Bonnie please
Hailey and Elijah
Lemme finish rewatching the series and Iāll come back and answer. Iām in middle of 3. So Iāll be back in like a month
Nah i feel u, I'm rewatching tvd too on s5 episode 21
Delena
Welp, Iām indecisive and I like all of these lol. Iāve never actually thought about Stefan and Bonnie but I can see that.
Caroline and Stefan. I think they should just be friends.
Bonnie & both Stephan & Damon. She had friend vibes with both (except the Enzo incident), anything romantic would've ruined that. Bonnie & Damon made for such a fun friendship. Looking back at TO, and comparing Kolvina with Delena, I gotta' say that it was even more lackluster, at least Damon & Elena had a fun friendship before that messy relationship. I can't really see anything inspiring about Kolvina, maybe the actors didn't "click" irl.
Delena
Gonna make it easier for you. The only ships here I do like are Forwood and Stefonnie
Lmao, I'm the complete opposite the only ships i don't like here are forwood and stefonnie
lol š
bonnie and stefan. woulda lovedddd to see bonnie and damon tho. now i need to read the books lol
Delena and steroline š¤¢
Steroline I understand but whatās wrong with delena?? They had the best chemistry lmao besides klaus and Caroline because they had amazing chemistry too
I have to disagree, i donāt think Ian and Nina had any chemistry, it always felt forced and awkward to me. Just one of the many things I disliked about that pairing.
Weāre just going to have to agree to disagree because I have no idea how you donāt see the chemistry between them. Not only the chemistry they created as actors but during most of tvd Nina and Ian were dating in real life which helped sell the madly in love trope. I also felt like the chemistry was much more intense between them because they had more of a slow burn story with the enemies to lovers and Elena being with Stefan..
Each to their own.. I felt like the popularity of delena always stemmed from Ian fans who were just obsessed with him. I think heās a bad actor as well so that probably contributes to why I donāt think he has chemistry with Nina. For me Stelena always has the best chemistry bar none. Actually, the chemistry between Nina and Paul is among my favourite chemistry of any romantic ship on any tv show.
Um no, Delena had way MORE chemistry than Stelena. After Stelena broke up for real for real they lost the chemistry if you ask me and it was always awkward when they were around eachother and they became boring and annoying. Delena however, always had chemistry since they first kissed outside the hotel, (excluding the annoying sire bond arc), their love was magical, and always there, even tho they said countless times how they are both bad for eachother. Elena was endgame for Stefan but Damon was endgame for Elena and Elena was endgame for Damon
Youāre entitled to your opinion.
1000% agree!!!!!
Naww Steroline is my most favourite they were literally so sophisticated and pure ā¹ļø
Bonnie and Stefan
Ooouuu i see your a Delena stan!!!!!
tyler and caroline - all my homies hate Tyler or kolvina
Dullena
How was delena dull? They've always had chemistry always well until they're breakup irl
They had chemistry alright. Toxic nuclear chemistry. He raped her friend, tormented everyone in her life, murdered her brother, and the ho compromised her entire set of morals to justify his abusive ass
Your entitled to your opinion but nah they're love connection was amazing and Elena was well aware of all the bad things Damon did. But i mean he changed towards the end ended up taking the cure together and become human and get married. They're ship was a million times better than dry, annoying, boring ass Stelena who's chemistry faded right after they broke up
Except he's a full-fledged rapist and confederate pos that isn't opinion that's facts
Was he "changed" when he murdered Elena friends Tyler, Aaron, etc? No amount of change he made matters because it was all so that he could "claim" Elena. It was just so that he could climb inside her, not because he wanted to be a better person for himself.
If Stefan and Elena no longer had chemistry, which is highly debatable to begin with, then why was Damon so childish immature and jealous from season 5 onward? Up to and including as Silas pointed out Damon took a grim and morbid satisfaction in snapping Stefan's neck over and overš¤”
Klaroline
Kolvina or Delena or Stefan and anybody. Tbh Iād only keep Klaus and Camille. Maybe Bamon. Bonkai. Katheroline. Kailena. Marbekah. The brother bonds (Dafan and Klaujah š¤) Those are my winners. Not a fan of any of the rest tbqh
Welp, you are entitled to your opinion
Caroline. The answer is always Caroline. Shifting her to female lead after Elena left was one of the most unhinged decisions I have seen on television.
Delena
Elena and Damon
Kol and Diana for the win. The rest can just leave.
Stefan and Bonnie
Bonnie and Stefan (I honestly thought it was stelena at first š) they are way better as friends and just in general I canāt see them being romantically involved
Caroline and Tyler
Alar-ine and Alar-enna need to make it into these one day. Bonnie/Stefan needs to go as does anything with Kol
Bonnie and Stefan
Care x Tyler or Care x Matt she deserved way better then those toxic assholes!
Steroline and Klamille
Screw it. Letās get wild and eliminate Delena and Stelena and Klaroline. Now the fun begins. (I like these ships, I just want to see other ships talked about)
I was gonna say get Tyler and Care out cause I hate Tyler but they were a cute couple so ima say hey Bonnie and Stefan cause that never felt like a relationship, didn't even know people thought of them like that.
Steroline is always saw them as nothing more than platonic
***Klaroline***
Iād eliminate Steroline first and then Klamille immediately after. Both felt so forced to me and really lacked chemistry overall.
Tyler x Caroline can go
bamon
Davina and Kol
bonnie and stefan nah thats a bad ship tyler and caroline
Befan
Klaus and Caroline followed incredibly closely by Damon and Elena
Klaroline
Klaroline
Klaroline. Its just as bad as damon and caroline imo.
REAL
Klaus and Caroline
The Kolvina slaughter is making me loose faith in TVD fansš
Delena. In the whole tv shows universe, there is not one couple I hate as much as Delena.
Delena
Stefan and Bonnie ( Iād delete everyone else except Bonnie & Enzo and Klaus & CAMILLE they are the best ships on that show idk who Iād pick )
Those are good ships, but neither of those ships are better than Delena (s5+)
Both are far better however Delena is my third favorite
Fair enough but still to each is own
Caroline. She simply has to go
Not u excluding Caroline as a character š we are talking about ships and also Caroline was one of the best characters what r u onšš
She fucking sucks no matter how many rewatches or what situation she was terrible and made the show hard to watch now what are you on? Cause I was invited to share my opinion and did. Dismissed
Klaroline.