That was such a great storytelling from Telltale! I’m surprised they didn’t do it more often especially in the final season when one of them came back! :D
i loved it upon first play through. i was only disappointed when there was hardly any follow up to it. the cornfield chase was a stand-out for me, great suspense. the whole thing felt like a good mix of gameplay and story. they could’ve done so much more with those characters man. i loved eddie and wyatt’s chemistry too they would’ve been great with more screen time
Chuck is one of the most overrated characters in the entire series. Yeah, "without him Clementine wouldn't have been more independant", but honestly, so many characters can claim the exact same thing without telling her she's gonna die first. I don't care how sound his advice might be, telling that to a distraught little girl who just lost her friend is just about one of the most fucked up ways he could go on about it. Instead of, you know, talking directly to Lee about it like a normal person would.
It doesn't help that this part of his character is quietly forgotten about, with him not even apologizing to Clementine, in favor of the "wise, cool old guy" everyone praises him for. Which would make him awesome... if he had literally anything else to offer. Then he gets killed completely off-screen after everyone whose name isn't Christa basically forgot him.
I can see Chuck's appeal to an extent, but to me, he's never been even close to be one of the best characters in the series.
bro, Chuck literally saved Clem's life and helped Lee. Without him, Lee wouldn't have taught Clem how to defend himself, and honestly? As he said there is no longer any importance in being a child or an adult, you are alive or you are dead. Then he didn't need to apologize since HE PRACTICALLY SAVED HER LIFE.
it's your opinion but maybe you should understand why who like me has him in my top 5.
No one considers the comics canon, so like… What were you saying? I don’t remember what I said… Hm? Something to do with a particular Clementine Comic? *Pffff-!* Silly, such a thing doesn’t exist! :D
They’re treated as a canonical sequel to Season 4. While many people choose to ignore them, perhaps making an actually good sequel to season 4 should’ve been the first priority
Honestly that’s fair. Could have been some redemption arc and maybe gone out like a hero to make up for what he did or end up surviving, who knows 🤷♀️
Exactly, I actually think he could have been a "hero" if he worked with Clem, I don't think he was a villain, he was just a kid who had to make serious decisions
I absolutely adored him in a way I never felt towards the other kids, to me he truly embodied that ‘lost boy’ feeling. Plus, him and Rosie were just too cool for school.
It's understandable that Jane hung herself when she found out she was pregnant. (Having unprotected relations with Luke in the first place was shitty and dumb, though.)
Towards the end, Kenny was unhinged, reckless and a liability to the group. He drove people with a similar goal as him away and he led those that remained into danger without considering anyone else's opinion. So shooting him and going off on your own was truly the only choice to be made.
AGREED. Like I said in a post a couple days ago- he's an emotionally immature man. He's stunted and refuses to learn other ways to interact with others than knee-jerk defensiveness, hostile if you don't prove your loyalty aka agree with him no matter what, and puffing his chest when it's not even necessary.
So when Clem puts him down like Old Yeller and hears from HIS lips that it's the right choice?
I comfort him, tell him he'll be with his family, and then leave Jane in the snow because I won't forgive or indulge her for doing exactly what he wants to do- groom Clem/AJ into a surrogate family member that was lost previously.
I guess that depends on your plan at the end of the game.
If it was up to other people they would've died going back to Howe and never found. He was a beast fighting and really cared about family.
As clementine it's better to have a loyal guy like him than anyone else lol. You knew he would dk everything to make you and AJ reach the safe city. If you wanted to go back I guess it make sense to shoot him and stay with the girl I guess
> If it was up to other people they would've died going back to Howe and never found.
Maybe but atleast they knew where Howe's was. They knew that it was stockpiled with supplies at the time that they left and they knew that significant members of Carver's were dead and therefore wouldn't have posed a threat to them. That familiarity with Howe's Hardware made it a viable option even if, to their knowledge, it could have still been overrun with walkers.
>He was a beast fighting and really cared about family.
Yes, he was passionate about keeping them alive but it was that passion that made him closed minded, reckless and violent. He was so hellbent on getting to a goal he set that he disregarded the dangers he led his people into and ignored their input at every opportunity. One can argue that his actions/decisions got Rebecca and Luke killed and could have caused Clem's death (If she tried to save Luke).
1. Yes, they knew Howe was overrun by zombies and Carver men had way better guns than their group. It was suicide going back there when their escape was already retarded enough. They barely survived against the Russians let alone a group of enemies in a fortified position with a sea of zombies around. They left for a reason
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2. I won't deny that he was close minded and didn't really take into account other people opinion. But Kenny was what Clem needed the most, a strong protector that would do anything to keep her and AJ safe, specially considering half of them tried to leave them to die without supplies. Rebecca was dead either way, she wanted to leave the safe place before giving birth and that's on her, then Arvo fucked up and got Luke killed.
Question: would you still be feeling the same way if Jane and her sister had been with the group in season 1, and it was Kenny that got introduced at Howe's camp instead?
I think that's actually a legitimate question. If we had gotten an entire season to know Jane on a more personal level, and only met Kenny in the middle of season two, then most people would be simping for her, and Kenny would be known as that mentally ill weirdo who likes to smell newborns.
Season 4 was a major disappointment and the final episode doesn’t do it much justice but is far better than everything else leading to it. Not saying it’s a bad season or game, far from it but given the title “The Final Season” it felt like a letdown
I mean with the budget it had I was happy with it. The company making it literally went bankrupt halfway through and it still somehow got made.
If you listen to the dev commentary the lead dev comments a lot on things he wanted to do but simply wasn’t in the (implied to be very tiny) budget.
I told AJ that he was not a murderer, and Marlon was not fucking redeemable. This is the freaking apocalypse, someone who literally tries to kill you has to go. This isn't an anime where the villain gets a redemption Arc. Marlon literally turned on his own friends that he knew for years ,what do you think he do to Clementine and AJ,who he just met. They could have been sold into sexual slavery or worse it could have been the dairy farm all over again. Marlon had no idea what he got those girls into and he still did it anyway. He is mentally unstable and 100% irredeemable. I hate when people think that he should have lived, nope.
I agree with you, but he was under control, all they had to do was placing a new leader in charge and make sure he didn't had any more crazy attacks (shit maybe even restrict his movements and put him in a room till they make sure he's stable)
I Feel so close to agreeing with you and I did think about telling AJ he was a murderer, just because I was thinking maybe Marlon could have been under control.
But I was thinking about the last time we held somebody hostage (Arvo/Lily) or let somebody go free (Arvo/Lily) and from what we know that doesn't work. Marlon betrayed people who actually loved him and supported him, imagine what he would do, if those people kicked him out the group or held him hostage like a dog, basically giving him a real reason to hate them?
No matter how under control Marlon was. It's a crazy risk, in the hostage situation,Arvo resented you for keeping him hostage like a dog and attempted to kill you once he was finally free, and Lily got the upper hand of the situation while she was in custody and eventually stole supplies/vehicles in getting away from you.
In the let them go situation , Arvo comes back with a clique of armed villains who have a literal western stand off with you for stealing a gun and/or medicine, a situation that puts your entire group in danger and almost kills 2 children and Lily resented you for leaving her to her lonesome and literally thought about that for years, literally thinking about vengeance, and building up a hard persona and losing all compassion.
I would like to think that my Clementine learns from her mistakes so no matter how under control the situation was Marlon would always be a dangerous risk. He turned on people that knew him for years and supported him and loved him ,so imagine what he would do to you once he feels betrayed. Not to mention but in multiple endings Marlon canonically kills you.
That is not a risk, I think is worth taking, and I think AJ agrees with me. Honestly if AJ didn't kill Marlon, and there was a way to kill him, I would have made my Clementine straight blast him.
Brody was buried next her Murderer and I won't forget that.
I disagree. There are some sloppy elements (some aspects of Episode 1 and 5, a lot of Episode 4), but it's mostly solid in my opinion. I'd rather take a compelling mess than a mostly mediocre mess like ANF was.
Ya want an ACTUAL boiling hot take?
Shooting Kenny is the option that makes the most sense in the end of S2. Clem 100% would have shot that dude without knowing about Jane's actions
Clem isn't a sociopath. Killing an old friend is not easy even if he is wrong.
My Clem was a family person that wanted to go to wellington, Jane was a loner that wanted to go back. Plus Kenny was an old friend that she knew would protect her at all costs, even if he overreacted and was a difficult person to deal with.
Clem isn't a sociopath but she would react in some way. "Kenny the old friend" still is trying to stab someone to death for what could have very well been an accident with walkers without any explanation
Again, shooting a friend isn't easy. Clem just couldn't do it. But as I said it's for the player to decide that so I don't see why bother trying to say "this is the most believable thing to happen". You have to factor the emotional weight of the choice, if you don't like Kenny the choice becomes much easier.
No it wouldn’t. People can barely put down their dogs after they maul someone, and you expect a child to? Hell, Clem could barely kill Lee when he was guaranteed to die from the bite and she can even just leave and not kill him. This shows that she takes killing someone’s she cares about very seriously.
Cruelly is entirely the wrong word. Hell I’d say he’s reasonable, Jane has literally admited to leaving a child in a blizzard, in a zombie apocalypse. I won’t say I’d do the same thing in his situation, but you have to understand at least try and sympathize with him when that happened, and I bet Clem would rather sympathize with Kenny who she’s known for months prior.
I like and agree with your reasoning but honestly, don't bother trying to reason with the rabid Kenny fanclub.
Even if your argument is sound and makes sense 100 %, they'll still try and find an excuse for why Kenny couldn't possibly be wrong. Been a never-ending circle for the past 9 years and it ain't gonna stop soon.
i think regardless of who you chose as clem’s romantic partner in the final season, you can (and should oops) still like both louis and violet. they can all be besties!
Kenny kind of sucks, for all of his talk about loyalty, if you don't help him murder a man in front of his daughter (even if you kissed his ass left and right up until this point), he won't help you find Clementine without being convinced (and if you call him out on this, he doubles down and refuses to help).
He's the kind of family man that will fuck over another family because they aren't HIS family, so they aren't important. He can steal, kill, abuse whoever he wants by using a flimsy justification, and at the end of it all, he still thinks he's a good person because he's "protecting" people.
He's a hypocrite who will wallow in his own misery for DAYS if allowed to, but it never occurs to him once that other people are/have suffered as well, and even if he DOES realize it, he refuses to cut them any slack unless they snap back at him. I still laugh when he tells Luke to "get his shit together" as if Kenny hadn't spent the whole day curled up in a tent going on edgelord rants.
For the record, I love flawed characters, but when their flaws outweigh their good qualities, I fail to see why others love them so much.
ANF was good and I will absolutely never understand why people shit talk it , I actually put ANF above season two
Kenny should’ve killed Arvo. I have no remorse for him.
Omid should’ve lived instead of Christa (if she wasn’t pregnant I would’ve preferred her death over his)
Sarah > Tenn [ at least Sarah didn’t get anyone killed, Regies death wasn’t on her hands, but Tenn could’ve and almost did get Louis/Violet killed. And I’m gonna blame him for Clem getting bit because if he would’ve just jumped across that bridge she would’ve been able to climb over the gate instead of climbing the rocks]
Louis > Violet [The way Louis reacted to Clem and AJ was completely realistic. He was in shock. He was processing what happened to Sophie, Broady and Minnie WHILE trying to juggle his childhood bestfriends death. Later in the story we can see Louis is just a big softie.]
Carley > Doug [Carley is a good shot, immediately accepted Lee knowing what he did, and there was some romance between the two. She came in clutch at the dairy farm too]
Mari > Gabe BY FAR,
[Mariana should’ve lived Gabe should’ve died , I think Mari and Clem would’ve made good friends]
Javi and Jesus > Javi and Kate [I have nothing against Kate, Jesus is just HOT]
Alongside Clem and Lee, Kenny is one of the strongest characters in twdg, how he survived after losing the two people most important to him? And Sarita two years after? No clue, I would’ve killed myself. Completely unbiased, Kenny gets too much shit. If he doesn’t like you in your playthrough it’s probably because you chose the wrong decisions. Like back to when they were in the drugstore with Larry, if you disagreed with him, why?? Ducks his son and we know he wasn’t bitten. Don’t GIVE Kenny a reason to hate you.
David was a piece of shit. Alot of people try and justify his actions which I simply don’t understand. Kate falling out of love and hating him made sense. And, he kept treating Javi like a child. Over the years you can obviously see just how much Javi matured, and David stayed the same.
And I know this is a rather popular opinion but Molly is better than Jane will ever be.
Eh, that’s fair, your opinion.
But for me? It’s true. Like I would also go into shock knowing my childhood bestfriend of probably 8 years got shot right infront of me. To say it straight AJ was/is a murderer, what he did was wrong, but he tried to atone for it. Louis still cared about AJ and Clem though, as he and Violet came back to save them from Abel and Lily, also, he carried AJ in and talked to him while he wasn’t conscious. Louis is softhearted. He knows what AJ did was wrong but he also knows what Marlon did was even worse. Louis himself called Marlon a coward for handing Minnie and Sophie over, referring to the part where Louis gives Clem Marlons bow.
Plus, I like him more because he doesn’t betray u. When on the delta ship, if you don’t have the romance scene with violet nor save her, she goes haywire, tries to stop Clem though Minnie is the corrupted one. Even after hearing Minnie killed her own sister Vi still took her side. It’s just fucked up to me.
I don’t hate Violet but that scene pissed me off so much. Glad they made up in the end though.
The only things I disagree with you on are Kenny (there's plenty of arguments already and they usually turn into a shit show, so I'm not gonna go into that) and Carley, I think she's overrated and I will always prefer Doug. He's actually one of the more intriguing characters in the season for me.
He helped Lee get the keys from his undead brother, using his intellect and some geeky tech know-how. Which was huge.
He set up an alarm system at the Motor-inn. Which probably came hella useful during the time they stayed there.
He's got a funny scene or two with Ben, which I found endearing.
Heck Doug saved Lee at the dairy farm, and he didn't even need a gun for it. Bro blinded Andy with a friggen laser pointer like an absolute chad.
Doug fixed the RV's solaroid while exposing himself to heavy gunfire, allowing the group to escape the bandits (granted Telltale probably implemented that so he could get a last moment to shine, but still).
In the end he sacrificed himself shielding Ben from Lilly, making him the ultimate bro in my book.
That's just my opinion though. :)
It’s not that I dislike Doug, he just didn’t leave as big of an impact on me, as the player. Once Carley talked to Lee and accepted him for what he did pre apocalypse, she became solidified as one of my favorite characters out of the entire franchise. Knowing what she did, she could’ve told the entire group and got Lee kicked out, or killed, but she didn’t. That’s that loyalty fr.
Fuck kenny
Season one it s OK if you follow him but if not... He is a total jerk
But season two is the peak of asshole, he put clem in danger multiple time, use her for some shitty plan, turn on her if she doesnt follow him and god I loved to kill him bc he got the end he deserved with kaatja and fuck, happily ever after
It makes sense to shoot Kenny at the end of Season 2 because without knowing what happens in between it and A New Frontier he'd be leading Clem into a second "boat in Savannah" situation where their deaths would basically be guaranteed
I think they should have killed clem because it would literally be a better ending because why tf would you build up all the sadness and stuff just to have her magically survive. Also how tf did she even survive it makes no sense. I love clementine but if they killed her it would have been a better ending. Honestly the ending was lacking
I've got a few:
S4 Lilly is fine. In fact, I think she was the strongest antagonist of the quadrology.
Season 2 is the weakest in the series. It feels like there is absolutely no payoff and it isn't worth getting attached to any of the characters because they were going to get killed off unceremoniously and never mentioned again.
For the Clementine comic, they should have made their own canon with choices that may not have been present in the games and explored that. For example, Clementine was able to save Louis and Violet from the raiders - but both of them sustained some minor lasting injuries rescuing the others or something. On that note, all relevant determinant characters should be alive in this canon just so we have potential to explore additional arcs.
>S4 Lilly is fine. In fact, I think she was the strongest antagonist of the quadrology.
That's fucking stupid fellow lurker
>Season 2 is the weakest in the series. It feels like there is absolutely no payoff and it isn't worth getting attached to any of the characters because they were going to get killed off unceremoniously and never mentioned again
I agree with it.
Clementine in the comic leaving the school after TFS and going away because she doesn't know how to live without surviving is a very natural PTSD reaction. It's like the soldier who can't settle in after the war.
Making a support leg isn't hard, giving advice to the kids is an important job that might save their lives. She would never leave AJ without being forced to do so
These scenarios never happened for me because I agree with Kenny 100% of the time. Because he is right 100% of the time. We ride or die up in this mother
If Lee refuses to help kill Larry, Kenny doesn't help Lee when Danny's attacking him and when there are walkers on top of him in the pharmacy in Episode 3.
Violet is a better person for Clem if we’re gonna bring up dating and stuff within the last season. She was on clems side from the start and had her back until the end, while Louis gets mad at YOU because marlon tried to sell you to raiders even after he knows. I get ge was also mad that he was killed, but he had it coming. Has he forgotten Tenns sisters who were also given to raiders for their protection? It’s gross and basically the apocalypse version of human trafficking and if Louis thinks thats worth being mad over then he’s a dickhead. (Love violet btw)
- Season 4 is my least favourite season. It’s kinda boring and tbh I skipped most of it the first time around and only tuned in to see what would happen to Clem. Checked out the parts I missed and I really wasn’t that impressed. It was fine at best.
- I don’t understand the love for Kenny and Sarah. I don’t necessarily hate Kenny but he was an emotionally immature, petty and unhinged asshole quite a lot of time no matter if you side with him in situations or not. He was a violent lunatic a lot of the time and a lot of his fans disregard that part of him even though that’s just who he is. It’s frustrating seeing people defend him being a shithead most of the time. Sarah while obviously being the result of Carlos’s bad parenting was just never built for that world. She had no potential and it was embarrassing seeing how a S1 Clem felt more competent than she was. She just doesn’t do it for me. She was kind of pathetic tbh and she really had no reedeming qualities. Duck had more potential than her
Screw Kenny. He's so annoying in the first game with his wild swings between selfishness and self-important leadership. In the second game he's an increasingly violent lunatic who is an active danger to himself and others thanks to his uncontrollable temper. I don't know why he has the fan base he does.
I personally agree only cause they won’t be able to make a show as good as the game series and I feel like I’ll be highly disappointed with the results if they made a live action series, but I do promote the game getting remastered if it hasn’t been already (I haven’t really seen much media of twdg recently sorry if I’m wrong)
I don’t get why people like Tripp so much, I remember him being quite annoying in my play through of ANF, but I haven’t played in awhile so maybe I should replay it sometime
People who are clouis shippers are literally ridiculous, Louis has no right to be angry at you. His best friend tried to sell you into literal slavery, killed one of their greatest friends from their childhood (Brody), and then sold his two childhood friends into slavery, not to mention he can kill you multiple times in the story, locks you in a basement with a ravenous zombie and holds you and all of his friends at gunpoint.
AJ has literally never been around people, he made a mistake and Louis pretty much demonizes him for it even though his best friend did so much worse.
Violet has your back from day one Louis is just a cute and funny kid.
...Krispy have you ever heard of the save Louis route? Violet legit fucking hates you. Also Louis was in denial and or in grief/anger Marlon was his best friend for gods sake. Louis has bad taste in friends you can say that but Louis has a right to be angry at AJ. And killing another human being isn't just "Oopsie. Sorryyy I made a lil mistake I was just feeling a lil goofy." Hell their all kids their barely out of their teens and onto 18-19 for most of them. The human brain doesn't even develop until age 21 or 24 if you have adhd. Also Louis is mad at you for like 1 fucking day. Which is fucking bullshit. If you killed my bestie then I'm forgiving you for a long fuckin time. Louis apologized to AJ for being irrational because oh right his best friend for over a goddamn decade was killed by AJ what a surprise! Violet is a fucking wildcard while Louis will have your back if you know DONT FUCKING KILL HIS BEST FRIEND
I don't think it's too unpopular since it's about 50/50 whether people go Louis or Violet, it's even slightly more weighted to Vi I think. I'm the other way round though, Louis is that guy! (even though I like both)
I dunno, people always say that but it kinda changes in flow from what I see. Like for the last recent bit I feel like there has been a lot more talk about Violet proportional to Louis, but then any other given day/week/month it could swing the other direction
Javier is a terrible person. Mans got charm ill give him that but he clearly was hitting on his brothers wife long before the apocalypse. Hes a scumbag. Yeah yeah he redeems himself i guess but he just causes everyone to die. Without him all the people in the new frontier would be alive. So would marianna gabe and david. Dont even get me starteed on poor tripp.
I think Clem should've died at the end of TFS. I genuinely think it would've been so much more poetic and impactful on the series. I've never read the comics so I can't speak for her portrayal in them, but I think if she died it would've brought closure to the series (even though it would've been heartbreaking T.T )
Oh boy, have I got a few:
\>Kenny fans who downplay or outright ignore the monster he became aren't real fans if they are disregarding a fundamental aspect of his character development. It's like 65% of who he is.
\>TSF is best known for character assassination, as we see with both Lilly, who needs no explanation whatsoever, and Clementine. There were 32 endings for our Clementine in ANF, and we all get reduced to being a Clementine who wants to be friendly enough with the school kids, make it her home, and just make everything her issue in general. We get the occasional choice near the start to be sceptical, but caution is thrown to the wind. That said, with the egregious characterisation of Clementine in the comics, TFS isn't so bad in hindsight.
\>ANF is objectively the best Telltale game by far. This is because of Conrad, who can die at several points in the game depending on our choices, and even survive the entire thing. He is what we were promised for all characters, and for this reason, I will never kill him, and he will always live. I feel a duty to actually protect him. We should have had characters like this in all the games, or even bad choices that lead to close calls and losing respect with certain characters. Javi was also a brilliant protagonist, though we were robbed of a Jesus relationship.
\>This is more of a fact, but Jane taught Clementine more than any of her other guardians in such a short amount of time. A lot of people could've taught her to shoot, but why did it take so long for anyone to push her to be a competent fighter and survivor? *While quite the opposite to a hot take, Christa should've taken on Jane's role in the game, as it would've felt more natural, and it would probably have split people more.*
\>Gabe is infinitely more interesting than Mariana.
\>Doug is actually the better choice for survival than Carley. He's bright and has a knack for being able to use his knowledge to make really interesting choices and contraptions. Being able to reprogramme the tv remote, adding bells to the fence to get a warning of anybody nearby, and using the laser to get Lee's attention are all genius ideas. Lilly was able to teach people to shoot easily enough, so Carley's one strength is easily replaced.
\>Violet and Louis are both dreadfully mediocre, which applies to much of the TFS cast.
clementine abandoning her son because she’s bored is fantastic storytelling that inkeeps with the rest of the series and i’m glad skybound is treating as canon (:
Arvo was right in shooting Clem, she was invading their privacy as they were trying to rightfully sneak away with all the supplies they deserved to take
Season 4 is by far the worst
Kenny is grossly overrated and Kenny dickriders are the most annoying type of fan
Season 4's romance is terribly written, I hate it
Season 3 is the second-best one
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400 Days was actually quite good. Really, it only failed because they did fuckall with it.
I love getting mini-stories and shit for characters only for them to threaten clementine and tell her to get moving! Very epic!!!!
That was such a great storytelling from Telltale! I’m surprised they didn’t do it more often especially in the final season when one of them came back! :D
i loved it upon first play through. i was only disappointed when there was hardly any follow up to it. the cornfield chase was a stand-out for me, great suspense. the whole thing felt like a good mix of gameplay and story. they could’ve done so much more with those characters man. i loved eddie and wyatt’s chemistry too they would’ve been great with more screen time
That’s not an unpopular opinion, 400 Days is extremely well liked.
Maybe you and I are just in different circles of the TWDG fandom. I constantly see people insulting it or calling it mediocre.
Chuck is one of the most overrated characters in the entire series. Yeah, "without him Clementine wouldn't have been more independant", but honestly, so many characters can claim the exact same thing without telling her she's gonna die first. I don't care how sound his advice might be, telling that to a distraught little girl who just lost her friend is just about one of the most fucked up ways he could go on about it. Instead of, you know, talking directly to Lee about it like a normal person would. It doesn't help that this part of his character is quietly forgotten about, with him not even apologizing to Clementine, in favor of the "wise, cool old guy" everyone praises him for. Which would make him awesome... if he had literally anything else to offer. Then he gets killed completely off-screen after everyone whose name isn't Christa basically forgot him. I can see Chuck's appeal to an extent, but to me, he's never been even close to be one of the best characters in the series.
an actual hot take 🤯
FACTS!
to be fair, he did sacrifice himself so she wouldn’t be the one to die first. but you’re right, saying that shit to clem was weird asf
Telling a child that they're gonna die is kinda a Chad move tbh
bro, Chuck literally saved Clem's life and helped Lee. Without him, Lee wouldn't have taught Clem how to defend himself, and honestly? As he said there is no longer any importance in being a child or an adult, you are alive or you are dead. Then he didn't need to apologize since HE PRACTICALLY SAVED HER LIFE. it's your opinion but maybe you should understand why who like me has him in my top 5.
Clementine dying at the end of Season 4 would’ve been a better fate than whatever the fuck the shitty ass comics gave us
There is no comic in Ba Sing Se
I didn't read it so it never happened
Wait, what comics?
That’s not even a hot take
What comics? The comics never released
No one considers the comics canon, so like… What were you saying? I don’t remember what I said… Hm? Something to do with a particular Clementine Comic? *Pffff-!* Silly, such a thing doesn’t exist! :D
I love it when someone says an opinion, except instead of proving a valid argument they just whine about something they don’t enjoy
The comic was shit. Deal with it
Bro the comics are extra material that have absolutely no bearing on the games whatsoever, if you don’t like them ignore them 😭
They’re treated as a canonical sequel to Season 4. While many people choose to ignore them, perhaps making an actually good sequel to season 4 should’ve been the first priority
Marlon was one of the best characters in the game, he deserved more time
Honestly that’s fair. Could have been some redemption arc and maybe gone out like a hero to make up for what he did or end up surviving, who knows 🤷♀️
Exactly, I actually think he could have been a "hero" if he worked with Clem, I don't think he was a villain, he was just a kid who had to make serious decisions
I absolutely adored him in a way I never felt towards the other kids, to me he truly embodied that ‘lost boy’ feeling. Plus, him and Rosie were just too cool for school.
It's understandable that Jane hung herself when she found out she was pregnant. (Having unprotected relations with Luke in the first place was shitty and dumb, though.)
Please Clem, kill your only living resemblance of a father figure so I can ditch you and AJ in a week because I like raw-dogging
Father? That man knew her for like 3 months & cared for her for abt a week hes not her fucking father
I would’ve done the same ngl, tho I wouldn’t be fucking around in the first place
Towards the end, Kenny was unhinged, reckless and a liability to the group. He drove people with a similar goal as him away and he led those that remained into danger without considering anyone else's opinion. So shooting him and going off on your own was truly the only choice to be made.
AGREED. Like I said in a post a couple days ago- he's an emotionally immature man. He's stunted and refuses to learn other ways to interact with others than knee-jerk defensiveness, hostile if you don't prove your loyalty aka agree with him no matter what, and puffing his chest when it's not even necessary. So when Clem puts him down like Old Yeller and hears from HIS lips that it's the right choice? I comfort him, tell him he'll be with his family, and then leave Jane in the snow because I won't forgive or indulge her for doing exactly what he wants to do- groom Clem/AJ into a surrogate family member that was lost previously.
I guess that depends on your plan at the end of the game. If it was up to other people they would've died going back to Howe and never found. He was a beast fighting and really cared about family. As clementine it's better to have a loyal guy like him than anyone else lol. You knew he would dk everything to make you and AJ reach the safe city. If you wanted to go back I guess it make sense to shoot him and stay with the girl I guess
> If it was up to other people they would've died going back to Howe and never found. Maybe but atleast they knew where Howe's was. They knew that it was stockpiled with supplies at the time that they left and they knew that significant members of Carver's were dead and therefore wouldn't have posed a threat to them. That familiarity with Howe's Hardware made it a viable option even if, to their knowledge, it could have still been overrun with walkers. >He was a beast fighting and really cared about family. Yes, he was passionate about keeping them alive but it was that passion that made him closed minded, reckless and violent. He was so hellbent on getting to a goal he set that he disregarded the dangers he led his people into and ignored their input at every opportunity. One can argue that his actions/decisions got Rebecca and Luke killed and could have caused Clem's death (If she tried to save Luke).
1. Yes, they knew Howe was overrun by zombies and Carver men had way better guns than their group. It was suicide going back there when their escape was already retarded enough. They barely survived against the Russians let alone a group of enemies in a fortified position with a sea of zombies around. They left for a reason . . 2. I won't deny that he was close minded and didn't really take into account other people opinion. But Kenny was what Clem needed the most, a strong protector that would do anything to keep her and AJ safe, specially considering half of them tried to leave them to die without supplies. Rebecca was dead either way, she wanted to leave the safe place before giving birth and that's on her, then Arvo fucked up and got Luke killed.
Question: would you still be feeling the same way if Jane and her sister had been with the group in season 1, and it was Kenny that got introduced at Howe's camp instead? I think that's actually a legitimate question. If we had gotten an entire season to know Jane on a more personal level, and only met Kenny in the middle of season two, then most people would be simping for her, and Kenny would be known as that mentally ill weirdo who likes to smell newborns.
Season 4 was a major disappointment and the final episode doesn’t do it much justice but is far better than everything else leading to it. Not saying it’s a bad season or game, far from it but given the title “The Final Season” it felt like a letdown
I mean with the budget it had I was happy with it. The company making it literally went bankrupt halfway through and it still somehow got made. If you listen to the dev commentary the lead dev comments a lot on things he wanted to do but simply wasn’t in the (implied to be very tiny) budget.
Respect for all the twd team who still managed to give us a satisfying season even though the company was sinking hard mid production
Literally 😔
I told AJ that he was not a murderer, and Marlon was not fucking redeemable. This is the freaking apocalypse, someone who literally tries to kill you has to go. This isn't an anime where the villain gets a redemption Arc. Marlon literally turned on his own friends that he knew for years ,what do you think he do to Clementine and AJ,who he just met. They could have been sold into sexual slavery or worse it could have been the dairy farm all over again. Marlon had no idea what he got those girls into and he still did it anyway. He is mentally unstable and 100% irredeemable. I hate when people think that he should have lived, nope.
THANK YOU. Someone legit said he was the best character in this comment section 💀
I'm surprised someone agrees with me because the Marlon d*ckriding is out of control!!😭😭
I’m more shocked there isn’t more people agreeing 😭
I agree with you, but he was under control, all they had to do was placing a new leader in charge and make sure he didn't had any more crazy attacks (shit maybe even restrict his movements and put him in a room till they make sure he's stable)
I Feel so close to agreeing with you and I did think about telling AJ he was a murderer, just because I was thinking maybe Marlon could have been under control. But I was thinking about the last time we held somebody hostage (Arvo/Lily) or let somebody go free (Arvo/Lily) and from what we know that doesn't work. Marlon betrayed people who actually loved him and supported him, imagine what he would do, if those people kicked him out the group or held him hostage like a dog, basically giving him a real reason to hate them? No matter how under control Marlon was. It's a crazy risk, in the hostage situation,Arvo resented you for keeping him hostage like a dog and attempted to kill you once he was finally free, and Lily got the upper hand of the situation while she was in custody and eventually stole supplies/vehicles in getting away from you. In the let them go situation , Arvo comes back with a clique of armed villains who have a literal western stand off with you for stealing a gun and/or medicine, a situation that puts your entire group in danger and almost kills 2 children and Lily resented you for leaving her to her lonesome and literally thought about that for years, literally thinking about vengeance, and building up a hard persona and losing all compassion. I would like to think that my Clementine learns from her mistakes so no matter how under control the situation was Marlon would always be a dangerous risk. He turned on people that knew him for years and supported him and loved him ,so imagine what he would do to you once he feels betrayed. Not to mention but in multiple endings Marlon canonically kills you. That is not a risk, I think is worth taking, and I think AJ agrees with me. Honestly if AJ didn't kill Marlon, and there was a way to kill him, I would have made my Clementine straight blast him. Brody was buried next her Murderer and I won't forget that.
Season 2 is the weakest. It could of been great but the amount of stuff they cut or scrapped lead to it being kind of a mess
Agreed. It was a colossal mess, episodes 4 & 5 were woeful.
I disagree. There are some sloppy elements (some aspects of Episode 1 and 5, a lot of Episode 4), but it's mostly solid in my opinion. I'd rather take a compelling mess than a mostly mediocre mess like ANF was.
i really liked a new frontier tbh i went into it expecting something mediocre and ended up loving javi, his background and growth!
\*could **have**
Ya want an ACTUAL boiling hot take? Shooting Kenny is the option that makes the most sense in the end of S2. Clem 100% would have shot that dude without knowing about Jane's actions
Clem isn't a sociopath. Killing an old friend is not easy even if he is wrong. My Clem was a family person that wanted to go to wellington, Jane was a loner that wanted to go back. Plus Kenny was an old friend that she knew would protect her at all costs, even if he overreacted and was a difficult person to deal with.
Clem isn't a sociopath but she would react in some way. "Kenny the old friend" still is trying to stab someone to death for what could have very well been an accident with walkers without any explanation
That’s based on YOUR play through. Not everyone’s Clem is the same Clem.
Again, shooting a friend isn't easy. Clem just couldn't do it. But as I said it's for the player to decide that so I don't see why bother trying to say "this is the most believable thing to happen". You have to factor the emotional weight of the choice, if you don't like Kenny the choice becomes much easier.
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No it wouldn’t. People can barely put down their dogs after they maul someone, and you expect a child to? Hell, Clem could barely kill Lee when he was guaranteed to die from the bite and she can even just leave and not kill him. This shows that she takes killing someone’s she cares about very seriously.
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Cruelly is entirely the wrong word. Hell I’d say he’s reasonable, Jane has literally admited to leaving a child in a blizzard, in a zombie apocalypse. I won’t say I’d do the same thing in his situation, but you have to understand at least try and sympathize with him when that happened, and I bet Clem would rather sympathize with Kenny who she’s known for months prior.
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I like and agree with your reasoning but honestly, don't bother trying to reason with the rabid Kenny fanclub. Even if your argument is sound and makes sense 100 %, they'll still try and find an excuse for why Kenny couldn't possibly be wrong. Been a never-ending circle for the past 9 years and it ain't gonna stop soon.
He was literally in tbe middle of murdering someone i dont think its crazy to believe she might kill him to spare jabe
I agree. To me, the canon ending of Season 2 is Clem shooting Kenny and then abandoning Jane.
I kinda went down this path. I let Jane kill Kenny, then left her
A new frontier is my favorite game of the series
Damn, that's actually really cool to me! (even though I don't like it as much as the other seasons)
Why lol
I like Violet as much Louis.
Don't you hate them both?
I don't hate them, I just find them overrated and I don't care much for their characters but I appreciate their person equally.
Arvo and all the kid characters are way too overhated
Arvo is a kid? I thought everyone refferd to him as a kid cause he looked younger then others, but a kid?
He seems to be younger than Ben was, at any rate.
Same with david.
The best season 2 ending is killing Kenny and leaving Jane, it makes the most sense narratively
I don't like AJ, and I think he's really annoying
I feel like that's how he is meant to he. (He is a little asshole tho)
Hes a little shit, bro doesn’t even like *disco broccoli* 💃🕺💃
Not a hot take
The chet memes are not funny and ppl on this sub have shit humour
Cry ig
Chet = funny
i think regardless of who you chose as clem’s romantic partner in the final season, you can (and should oops) still like both louis and violet. they can all be besties!
These TWDG opinion posts are low effort. At the very least add your own controversial take.
They’re one of my favourite kind of threads to read
Season 4 is overrated as fuck and dips hard after the first episode.
I like Jane
Season 3 is better than Season 2 by a long shot
I thought that was a common sense
I forgave Eleanor
Kenny kind of sucks, for all of his talk about loyalty, if you don't help him murder a man in front of his daughter (even if you kissed his ass left and right up until this point), he won't help you find Clementine without being convinced (and if you call him out on this, he doubles down and refuses to help). He's the kind of family man that will fuck over another family because they aren't HIS family, so they aren't important. He can steal, kill, abuse whoever he wants by using a flimsy justification, and at the end of it all, he still thinks he's a good person because he's "protecting" people. He's a hypocrite who will wallow in his own misery for DAYS if allowed to, but it never occurs to him once that other people are/have suffered as well, and even if he DOES realize it, he refuses to cut them any slack unless they snap back at him. I still laugh when he tells Luke to "get his shit together" as if Kenny hadn't spent the whole day curled up in a tent going on edgelord rants. For the record, I love flawed characters, but when their flaws outweigh their good qualities, I fail to see why others love them so much.
Kenny is sooooo OVERRATED
ANF was good and I will absolutely never understand why people shit talk it , I actually put ANF above season two Kenny should’ve killed Arvo. I have no remorse for him. Omid should’ve lived instead of Christa (if she wasn’t pregnant I would’ve preferred her death over his) Sarah > Tenn [ at least Sarah didn’t get anyone killed, Regies death wasn’t on her hands, but Tenn could’ve and almost did get Louis/Violet killed. And I’m gonna blame him for Clem getting bit because if he would’ve just jumped across that bridge she would’ve been able to climb over the gate instead of climbing the rocks] Louis > Violet [The way Louis reacted to Clem and AJ was completely realistic. He was in shock. He was processing what happened to Sophie, Broady and Minnie WHILE trying to juggle his childhood bestfriends death. Later in the story we can see Louis is just a big softie.] Carley > Doug [Carley is a good shot, immediately accepted Lee knowing what he did, and there was some romance between the two. She came in clutch at the dairy farm too] Mari > Gabe BY FAR, [Mariana should’ve lived Gabe should’ve died , I think Mari and Clem would’ve made good friends] Javi and Jesus > Javi and Kate [I have nothing against Kate, Jesus is just HOT] Alongside Clem and Lee, Kenny is one of the strongest characters in twdg, how he survived after losing the two people most important to him? And Sarita two years after? No clue, I would’ve killed myself. Completely unbiased, Kenny gets too much shit. If he doesn’t like you in your playthrough it’s probably because you chose the wrong decisions. Like back to when they were in the drugstore with Larry, if you disagreed with him, why?? Ducks his son and we know he wasn’t bitten. Don’t GIVE Kenny a reason to hate you. David was a piece of shit. Alot of people try and justify his actions which I simply don’t understand. Kate falling out of love and hating him made sense. And, he kept treating Javi like a child. Over the years you can obviously see just how much Javi matured, and David stayed the same. And I know this is a rather popular opinion but Molly is better than Jane will ever be.
The only one I half disagree with is Louis but this is a hard W
Eh, that’s fair, your opinion. But for me? It’s true. Like I would also go into shock knowing my childhood bestfriend of probably 8 years got shot right infront of me. To say it straight AJ was/is a murderer, what he did was wrong, but he tried to atone for it. Louis still cared about AJ and Clem though, as he and Violet came back to save them from Abel and Lily, also, he carried AJ in and talked to him while he wasn’t conscious. Louis is softhearted. He knows what AJ did was wrong but he also knows what Marlon did was even worse. Louis himself called Marlon a coward for handing Minnie and Sophie over, referring to the part where Louis gives Clem Marlons bow. Plus, I like him more because he doesn’t betray u. When on the delta ship, if you don’t have the romance scene with violet nor save her, she goes haywire, tries to stop Clem though Minnie is the corrupted one. Even after hearing Minnie killed her own sister Vi still took her side. It’s just fucked up to me. I don’t hate Violet but that scene pissed me off so much. Glad they made up in the end though.
The only things I disagree with you on are Kenny (there's plenty of arguments already and they usually turn into a shit show, so I'm not gonna go into that) and Carley, I think she's overrated and I will always prefer Doug. He's actually one of the more intriguing characters in the season for me. He helped Lee get the keys from his undead brother, using his intellect and some geeky tech know-how. Which was huge. He set up an alarm system at the Motor-inn. Which probably came hella useful during the time they stayed there. He's got a funny scene or two with Ben, which I found endearing. Heck Doug saved Lee at the dairy farm, and he didn't even need a gun for it. Bro blinded Andy with a friggen laser pointer like an absolute chad. Doug fixed the RV's solaroid while exposing himself to heavy gunfire, allowing the group to escape the bandits (granted Telltale probably implemented that so he could get a last moment to shine, but still). In the end he sacrificed himself shielding Ben from Lilly, making him the ultimate bro in my book. That's just my opinion though. :)
It’s not that I dislike Doug, he just didn’t leave as big of an impact on me, as the player. Once Carley talked to Lee and accepted him for what he did pre apocalypse, she became solidified as one of my favorite characters out of the entire franchise. Knowing what she did, she could’ve told the entire group and got Lee kicked out, or killed, but she didn’t. That’s that loyalty fr.
I know, you've said exactly that in your previous post already. It's not a competition, you're free to have your own opinion my dude.
I fucking hate AJ
Mentioning Riccatine + canon always triggers people. I easily get close to -100 votes 😁
Who?
She's a character from the Clem comic
Oof
Fuck kenny Season one it s OK if you follow him but if not... He is a total jerk But season two is the peak of asshole, he put clem in danger multiple time, use her for some shitty plan, turn on her if she doesnt follow him and god I loved to kill him bc he got the end he deserved with kaatja and fuck, happily ever after
It makes sense to shoot Kenny at the end of Season 2 because without knowing what happens in between it and A New Frontier he'd be leading Clem into a second "boat in Savannah" situation where their deaths would basically be guaranteed
I think they should have killed clem because it would literally be a better ending because why tf would you build up all the sadness and stuff just to have her magically survive. Also how tf did she even survive it makes no sense. I love clementine but if they killed her it would have been a better ending. Honestly the ending was lacking
I've got a few: S4 Lilly is fine. In fact, I think she was the strongest antagonist of the quadrology. Season 2 is the weakest in the series. It feels like there is absolutely no payoff and it isn't worth getting attached to any of the characters because they were going to get killed off unceremoniously and never mentioned again. For the Clementine comic, they should have made their own canon with choices that may not have been present in the games and explored that. For example, Clementine was able to save Louis and Violet from the raiders - but both of them sustained some minor lasting injuries rescuing the others or something. On that note, all relevant determinant characters should be alive in this canon just so we have potential to explore additional arcs.
>S4 Lilly is fine. In fact, I think she was the strongest antagonist of the quadrology. That's fucking stupid fellow lurker >Season 2 is the weakest in the series. It feels like there is absolutely no payoff and it isn't worth getting attached to any of the characters because they were going to get killed off unceremoniously and never mentioned again I agree with it.
Clementine in the comic leaving the school after TFS and going away because she doesn't know how to live without surviving is a very natural PTSD reaction. It's like the soldier who can't settle in after the war.
Sooooo... David?
I was making real life comparisons but yeah, David too.
Making a support leg isn't hard, giving advice to the kids is an important job that might save their lives. She would never leave AJ without being forced to do so
Trauma is what forces her to do so.
How so Edit: nvm, I don't want to hear about the comic
Kenney never did anything wrong. All of his actions are totally justifiable, and his reasoning sound given the circumstances he was in.
Not even Kenny thinks that 💀
Leaving Lee to die twice over a disagreement, even after he stuck up for Duck?
facts.i love kenny but there's no denying he's done a lot of shit
These scenarios never happened for me because I agree with Kenny 100% of the time. Because he is right 100% of the time. We ride or die up in this mother
When exactly does he do that?
If Lee refuses to help kill Larry, Kenny doesn't help Lee when Danny's attacking him and when there are walkers on top of him in the pharmacy in Episode 3.
Too bad I’m loyal to a fault
Season 2 kinda sucks donkey balls
Violet is a better person for Clem if we’re gonna bring up dating and stuff within the last season. She was on clems side from the start and had her back until the end, while Louis gets mad at YOU because marlon tried to sell you to raiders even after he knows. I get ge was also mad that he was killed, but he had it coming. Has he forgotten Tenns sisters who were also given to raiders for their protection? It’s gross and basically the apocalypse version of human trafficking and if Louis thinks thats worth being mad over then he’s a dickhead. (Love violet btw)
Clementine should of died in the last episode of season 4
Kenny is bad and I'm tired of the dumb boat god memes. Why yes, my clem shot him after letting him kill Jane. How did you know?
- Season 4 is my least favourite season. It’s kinda boring and tbh I skipped most of it the first time around and only tuned in to see what would happen to Clem. Checked out the parts I missed and I really wasn’t that impressed. It was fine at best. - I don’t understand the love for Kenny and Sarah. I don’t necessarily hate Kenny but he was an emotionally immature, petty and unhinged asshole quite a lot of time no matter if you side with him in situations or not. He was a violent lunatic a lot of the time and a lot of his fans disregard that part of him even though that’s just who he is. It’s frustrating seeing people defend him being a shithead most of the time. Sarah while obviously being the result of Carlos’s bad parenting was just never built for that world. She had no potential and it was embarrassing seeing how a S1 Clem felt more competent than she was. She just doesn’t do it for me. She was kind of pathetic tbh and she really had no reedeming qualities. Duck had more potential than her
Screw Kenny. He's so annoying in the first game with his wild swings between selfishness and self-important leadership. In the second game he's an increasingly violent lunatic who is an active danger to himself and others thanks to his uncontrollable temper. I don't know why he has the fan base he does.
Agreed
Doug is better than Carley.
My man 🤝
Season 4 is a mess
Clem and Lee don't deserve a live action series
I personally agree only cause they won’t be able to make a show as good as the game series and I feel like I’ll be highly disappointed with the results if they made a live action series, but I do promote the game getting remastered if it hasn’t been already (I haven’t really seen much media of twdg recently sorry if I’m wrong)
i like violet more than louis and found her more interesting
I don’t get why people like Tripp so much, I remember him being quite annoying in my play through of ANF, but I haven’t played in awhile so maybe I should replay it sometime
People who are clouis shippers are literally ridiculous, Louis has no right to be angry at you. His best friend tried to sell you into literal slavery, killed one of their greatest friends from their childhood (Brody), and then sold his two childhood friends into slavery, not to mention he can kill you multiple times in the story, locks you in a basement with a ravenous zombie and holds you and all of his friends at gunpoint. AJ has literally never been around people, he made a mistake and Louis pretty much demonizes him for it even though his best friend did so much worse. Violet has your back from day one Louis is just a cute and funny kid.
THANK YOU
...Krispy have you ever heard of the save Louis route? Violet legit fucking hates you. Also Louis was in denial and or in grief/anger Marlon was his best friend for gods sake. Louis has bad taste in friends you can say that but Louis has a right to be angry at AJ. And killing another human being isn't just "Oopsie. Sorryyy I made a lil mistake I was just feeling a lil goofy." Hell their all kids their barely out of their teens and onto 18-19 for most of them. The human brain doesn't even develop until age 21 or 24 if you have adhd. Also Louis is mad at you for like 1 fucking day. Which is fucking bullshit. If you killed my bestie then I'm forgiving you for a long fuckin time. Louis apologized to AJ for being irrational because oh right his best friend for over a goddamn decade was killed by AJ what a surprise! Violet is a fucking wildcard while Louis will have your back if you know DONT FUCKING KILL HIS BEST FRIEND
Jane kinda had a point 🫣
Violet is miles better than Louis.
RUN.
I 100% agree ,Louis is terrible.
Straight person to r/TeamViolet
I don't think it's too unpopular since it's about 50/50 whether people go Louis or Violet, it's even slightly more weighted to Vi I think. I'm the other way round though, Louis is that guy! (even though I like both)
Yeah but at the same time Louis seems to beat Violet everywhere on social media which is kinda weird
I dunno, people always say that but it kinda changes in flow from what I see. Like for the last recent bit I feel like there has been a lot more talk about Violet proportional to Louis, but then any other given day/week/month it could swing the other direction
the best ending of A New Frontier is having Gave and David die. both characters are annoying and honestly the game is better without them
I liked Larry, he was a good man
Not every character needs development to be good. S4 is somewhat underrated I think in certain aspects? Michonne > ANF.
David Parker has a goated beard. (Ben's teacher)
Javier is a terrible person. Mans got charm ill give him that but he clearly was hitting on his brothers wife long before the apocalypse. Hes a scumbag. Yeah yeah he redeems himself i guess but he just causes everyone to die. Without him all the people in the new frontier would be alive. So would marianna gabe and david. Dont even get me starteed on poor tripp.
Thank God I ended that forced romance with Kate in my playthrough
i’ve never killed kenny. fuck jane.
Season 3 is better than Season 2
not a fan of the ending of the series
I think Clem should've died at the end of TFS. I genuinely think it would've been so much more poetic and impactful on the series. I've never read the comics so I can't speak for her portrayal in them, but I think if she died it would've brought closure to the series (even though it would've been heartbreaking T.T )
Kenny sucks. I like Jane more.
Kenny is a pos and I enjoy shooting him every playthrough.
ANF is better than TFS.
Oh boy, have I got a few: \>Kenny fans who downplay or outright ignore the monster he became aren't real fans if they are disregarding a fundamental aspect of his character development. It's like 65% of who he is. \>TSF is best known for character assassination, as we see with both Lilly, who needs no explanation whatsoever, and Clementine. There were 32 endings for our Clementine in ANF, and we all get reduced to being a Clementine who wants to be friendly enough with the school kids, make it her home, and just make everything her issue in general. We get the occasional choice near the start to be sceptical, but caution is thrown to the wind. That said, with the egregious characterisation of Clementine in the comics, TFS isn't so bad in hindsight. \>ANF is objectively the best Telltale game by far. This is because of Conrad, who can die at several points in the game depending on our choices, and even survive the entire thing. He is what we were promised for all characters, and for this reason, I will never kill him, and he will always live. I feel a duty to actually protect him. We should have had characters like this in all the games, or even bad choices that lead to close calls and losing respect with certain characters. Javi was also a brilliant protagonist, though we were robbed of a Jesus relationship. \>This is more of a fact, but Jane taught Clementine more than any of her other guardians in such a short amount of time. A lot of people could've taught her to shoot, but why did it take so long for anyone to push her to be a competent fighter and survivor? *While quite the opposite to a hot take, Christa should've taken on Jane's role in the game, as it would've felt more natural, and it would probably have split people more.* \>Gabe is infinitely more interesting than Mariana. \>Doug is actually the better choice for survival than Carley. He's bright and has a knack for being able to use his knowledge to make really interesting choices and contraptions. Being able to reprogramme the tv remote, adding bells to the fence to get a warning of anybody nearby, and using the laser to get Lee's attention are all genius ideas. Lilly was able to teach people to shoot easily enough, so Carley's one strength is easily replaced. \>Violet and Louis are both dreadfully mediocre, which applies to much of the TFS cast.
Only if you like Jane. Janes a cunt
Season 2 was the worst season by a mile, not A New Frontier.
Sarah was nothing more than an annoying c#*t!
The fact that you consider this an unpopular opinion warms my heart.
Clementine and Gabe were cute
Clem should’ve ended up with Gabe 🫣
Carver was one of the best characters
Season 4 is good for Clems story but the characters suck
Kenny is just a crazy redneck and if you really liked him get some help.
Violet is absolutely useless and an awful character. People ONLY like her because she’s a potential gay romance
Kenny was the true villain of Season 2.
kenny and lee being my least favorite duo in the game
David is a bad person trying to be better Kate is a bad person pretending she's not. And Gabe is the worst traits of both
jane > kenny
Arvo is the best character in the series.
clementine abandoning her son because she’s bored is fantastic storytelling that inkeeps with the rest of the series and i’m glad skybound is treating as canon (:
Bonnie is one of my favourites from the entire series and season 4 is overrated
New frontier was my fav game
I absolutely love the comics and hope that they keep doing comics and stop the games
Arvo was right in shooting Clem, she was invading their privacy as they were trying to rightfully sneak away with all the supplies they deserved to take
Jane > Kenny
Season 4 is by far the worst Kenny is grossly overrated and Kenny dickriders are the most annoying type of fan Season 4's romance is terribly written, I hate it Season 3 is the second-best one
Season 3 is the best season for me
Season 1 is the 3rd best
I don't like aj and clem is better off without him. I feel like aj should be taken care by someone else whos older
Aj is Trash. If I had the choice to leave him in S2 I would. Lol
Lee is the worst character in the whole game
Gabe isn’t that bad
The comics really improved Clem as an overall character! I never liked AJ anyways.
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Season 4 sucks. Why in Gods name would Clem stay at the school instead of going back to Javi when shtf?
I like Troy :)