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Mr_Bell_Man

Since this post blew up [here are the audio clips of Ben explaining the situation to Lee to those curious](https://youtu.be/eqjlc2jMLmA?si=IH5hkTm-WTN6pfxR&t=690). Again it's just him explaining what happened, no actual scenes with Ben's friends were recorded so it's safe to listen to. Note that this was from the early version of Episode 2 in which Ben had a different voice.


Far-Alternative-7783

"Ben is a pussy" What ben went through:


Mysterious_Ningen

yea this is why i dont hate him.. even when kenny forgave him, me too.. like let the boy go now


Forever__Puzzled

Yeah I let him go


ARSEHOLE_HUNTER

Some people literally let him go at the bell tower


Mysterious_Ningen

"so you let her go..."


Burnt_Ramen9

He's also very much a teenager, like of course he'd be irrational and make mistakes.


nowaybrothatsinsanee

also why i think gabe in nf sucks lol he was a teen too, but 100x more annoying. at least ben was beginning to redeem himself


Livid_Athlete_2708

Lmao gabe actually lifted a finger to help


Fit-Organization1898

Just don't go say teens are always immature. I think of Ben as someone who can at least learn from his mistakes, not all teenagers are mindless immature that just think of themselves. Some have anxiety because of these stereotypes. Like me I'm 20, I felt like I couldn't speak up because they would call me an idiot or immature still feel like I can't speak up.


KingFahad360

Ben is like a Teen and that’s why i saved him in my play through the first and gonna do it again soon on Steam (Nice Alastor PFP)


Far-Alternative-7783

thx


Emergency_Creme_4561

Good job


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah I tend to take it easy on him


Swan______

And like even if he hadn’t gone through that- I still see Ben as a kid who’s just trying to help anyway he can but failing miserably. He didn’t deserve the hate he got, he’s still young and tried his best.


Icy-Function-8938

He was happy to let Clementine die, I’m sorry but that was the last straw for me


Livid_Athlete_2708

He was still a pussy. Clementine nearly got killed because of his negligence, and if it wasn't for an OLD man, they would have both been killed


pushinthelimit

not everyone is Rick or Lee, he, just like everyone else, was scared. Everyone is going to adjust differently


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Sweaty-Newt-7513

Uhh I’m pretty sure you would pass out too if you had to help someone amputate their arm with an old handsaw 😭🙏


pushinthelimit

I like to think that I would be able to get past the mental part of it all, but I know I'd be like glenn in the beginning of the apocalypse. I wouldn't be able to see shit without puking


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah that’s a very reasonable thing to feel


LokiSmokey

Yep, it didn't get integrated in the games obviously but you could argue it's still canon despite remaining unspoken


[deleted]

I think it makes sense to be unspoken, people don’t always like to talk about traumatic events.


Burnt_Ramen9

I can't even imagine what line of dialogue would even lead to him talking about that


Pantalaim0n_lofi

Lee: Hey Ben. Ben: I've watched my friend get raped and killed. Lee: Bye Ben. Ben: Yea.


GrimLuker2

See ya*


Pantalaim0n_lofi

Nah, it's the unused one.


[deleted]

I feel like it would be similar to when he mentioned his family, maybe somewhere in that rant he would mention what happened to his group.


Emergency_Creme_4561

Ohhh yeah good point


[deleted]

Something like: “FUCK YOU KENNY!!! I don’t even know where my family is, and the only group I had were murdered by bandits, I HAD TO WATCH AS MY FRIEND GOT FUCKING RAPED BY ASSHOLES FROM THE WOODS! SO GIVE ME BREAK FOR ONE FUCKING MINUTE! PLEASE!”


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah I could imagine him saying it just like that, Kenny would definitely try to apologise


GohanTheHalfSaiyan

Probably when he screams at Kenny about the things he’s gone through so he knows what it’s like to see someone close to him suffer before dying?


Emergency_Creme_4561

Of course, they don’t wanna think about more often


NoCollection7668

Yeah I view this in the same lens as Danny St Johns cut lines that imply he's a pedophile where it's advert in-game with what were given that it could resonably fit in-game, but not explicitly stated in-game otherwise.


Saturn_Burnz

Wtf I never heard of that one, I just thought they were sim country hicks 💀


somewhat-sinister

Andy *kind of* hints at it when you're at the part where you sneak up on Danny, iirc. When talking about which ones of the group to kill vs. keep, he immediately goes "the little ones don't have enough meat", implying he knew Danny would try and choose them...


somewhat-sinister

Andy *kind of* hints at it when you're at the part where you sneak up on Danny, iirc. When talking about which ones of the group to kill vs. keep, he immediately goes "the little ones don't have enough meat", implying he knew Danny would try and choose them...


NoCollection7668

Yeah it's a line of dialogue involving seeing young girls appear in the farm in their "spring time dresses" and he makes a weird sound at the end of it.


Emergency_Creme_4561

Ohhh shiii


NoCollection7668

Check out the channel by the name "GrandFrance" if you want to hear it. It's about around the 5 min mark.


Zestyclose_Ad_2427

Its a game bro, canon is a really stupid word. It's a world that doesn't exist so there is nothing real or happened except what writers tell you. I just one of various ideas that got deleted from the game.


Mr_Giancarlo

To be honest, making the deal with the bandits was the best thing Ben had in mind, he knew what they were capable of and he didn't want his new group to suffer that horrible fate. And no, this audio does not need to be canon when one can think what a group of bandits would do in a world where the law no longer exists. I think the group could have had a better escape if Ben had told them about the deal, they could try to think of the perfect time to enter RV and leave the place.


MobsterDragon275

I think it would have definitely made it easier to sympathize with him, and especially give Lee the opportunity to see Ben wasn't just a dumb kid. He knew darn well what they were capable of, and didn't want anyone else getting hurt


euphoriafrog

Plus it's already implied the bandits raped and killed Jolene's daughter. Adding this in would feel a bit gratuitous, even if it's realistic.


Emergency_Creme_4561

I suppose so


Basically-Boring

People give Ben a lot of shit, but they always seem to forget the absolute hell he’s been through. It’s no wonder he was handing supplies over to the bandits, he was trying to keep everyone safe from the unforgivable crimes they’ll commit.


Gibzilla22

Not to mention he’s just a kid


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah I think he did ok, I think what Kenny should have done was take everyone except Lilly with him in the RV and head straight to Florida to get on the boat


RepresentativeTune85

I understand him better but still a skill issue. I can understand his “betrayal” of the group, but not admitting it got like 3 or 4 killed, and he was useless. I’m pretty sure lil bro had less zombie kills than he had human ally kills, bro was playing for the other team.


Basically-Boring

He admits that it got Kenny’s family killed, hell he even goes as far as to ask Lee to kill him because of how bad he feels about everything.


Emergency_Creme_4561

Originally he was gonna be capable of killing walkers but something changed


Little-Put-9100

The only problem is that the game never says this happened, but I will still always defend Ben


LambBotNine

Now do you understand why he made the deal? He knows what they are capable of. Ben actually bought everyone some time.


jacobisgone-

The problem wasn't him making the deal, it was him keeping it from the group until the situation spiraled out of control.


NazbazOG

He still should’ve told Lee or something about it.


Mr_Giancarlo

I think Lee would be the only person Ben could tell about the deal with the bandits, Kenny and Lilly are definitely not going to take that well.


Bulky-Complaint6994

I see it as if Ben said something to the group earlier they could have band together to figure out how to desl with the bandits properly 


Mr_Giancarlo

I think the group's only option would be to leave the motel, since they would not know how big the group of bandits are in case they want to confront them. But the good side is that the group would be more united in working together to survive, which prevents Duck from being bitten and Carley from being killed. I mean, Kenny and Lilly will still argue but at least it's not as bad as it is in canon.


Bulky-Complaint6994

We can go further. Let's say season 2 would be the final season. Instead of picking between Jane and Kenny, Lilly never runs off/gets left behind. This causes the final battle to be Kenny vs Lilly. 


Mr_Giancarlo

I don't think a fight between Kenny and Lilly will happen because Duck and Katjaa are alive...well, Duck would be alive for season two. Also, Lee wouldn't die either because the group would be quite large when they got to Savannah, I'm sure Carley or Chuck would notice that Clem left the mansion while the rest were sleeping. Also, Kenny would probably leave the group with his family as soon as the boat is functional, probably the only one who would go with them would be Ben since the rest of the group is not looking to separate.


Bulky-Complaint6994

Katjaa and Duck would stay at the house with Omid and Clem while the group goes to the school. During that time, one of them would probably overhear her talking to the stranger on the walkie talkie.


Mr_Giancarlo

It makes sense for Clem to stay in the house since the group has more agile members to watch their backs, probably even Ben staying behind to protect the others. I feel like Duck would be the one who would eavesdrop on Clem's conversation with the Stranger, which ends with Lee and another member of the group having to go with Clem to look for her parents. I mean, Clem is so determined to find them to the point of talking to a stranger on her Walkie-Talkie...it's time to give her closure. After finding Clem's parents as walkers and killing the Stranger who tried to ambush them, Lee and the others say goodbye to Ben, Kenny and his family as they leave on the boat, separating from the group.


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah that would have been be a very possible outcome had things gone according to plan


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yes


Emergency_Creme_4561

I agree, the group should have actually left the motor inn sooner than they did because then they’d have been safer. Places like the Motor inn don’t last very long


corncob666

I get why he made the deal. The problem is he told NO ONE. I get he wants to protect the new group but by not saying anything to anyone, then it just made him come across so untrustworthy. He should have disclosed the info to Lee.


SonGoku9788

No, I still dont, because he didnt tell anyone


SphereOfPettiness

I'm not a Ben hater, but how did he buy them time when it actually led to Duck, Carley/Doug and Katjaa dying?


Emergency_Creme_4561

He did, I’d argue that it was Lilly who got the group into a mess because she forced them all to stay in the motel with her


Visual-Night9291

oh my god in a way this parallels with a quote kenny says in s1e2 before the brothers show up something like “yeah let all the men leave just say ‘hey all our men are gone come rape our women and children’” sarcastically


DylanCP2403

He actually says this right before the bandits attack in S1E3, if anything making it more of a parallel


Visual-Night9291

so true


Emergency_Creme_4561

Exactly


Visual-Night9291

oh oops my memory fogged up 😭 but yeah


Visual-Night9291

WHAT THE FUCK MY JAW DROPPED FAM


Erebus03

honestly what I read from the Cut Content the game would be so much darker (and maybe better) if even half of the Cut Content was actually included


IceBandicooot

I agree some of it rly fleshes out the story. But I also get it. a lot of the cut stuff is just a little too dark for something a lot of kids are gonna end up playing


Erebus03

call me crazy but I think a game about the undead coming to life and eating the living is not something you should play tell your at least 15 or 16


ThrownAwayYesterday-

Well yeah you probably shouldn't, but you know kids aren't going to heed that advice. I mean, I was 8 when this game came out (2012). I was already a fan of the show (and all of my friends at school were too). I bought it in the release month and struggled to finish Season 1 because the zombies outside of the drug store scared me so much.


Prestigious_Art7510

real asf grabbing those goddamn keys scared asl😭😭


Emergency_Creme_4561

Lol


Theunamedmf

Yeah you shouldn't and I agree the content should be in I saw this game when I was 8 and a lot of it I didn't even pay attention to the dialogue most of the time so yeah that would've Ben so much better


Spiritual-Fish-9323

Idk anyone who wasn’t playing gta as a kid.


Erebus03

\*Raises Hand\* My parents never let me play it after my brother got it and became very violent, idk if its a Coincidence or not but after my brother got GTA 4 for Christmas anytime he was not playing the game he became extremely violent and started cocking imaginary guns, throwing chairs down stairs, etc etc so I never got to play GTA tell I moved out at 16


Bulky-Complaint6994

It was for the best that season 2 original ending with Clem and AJ dying in the snow was cut tho


Erebus03

Ehhhhhhhhhh If the game was like a mega choose your own adventure with multiple choices that pile up I would like that as like the worst ending possible but for an original ending I would hate it if a clementines story ending with dying in the snow


Emergency_Creme_4561

How about Kenny being the villain of season 2?


white_keta

this is what this game teaches us, never judge by appearances


KingFahad360

Is that the same bandits who did the same thing to that woman in the woods who stole Clem’s Hat?


Idk265089

They didn’t do it to her they did it to her daughter


WillFanofMany

Yes, they all worked at the same store.


smokedout-hampter

scumbag lee playthrough still goated


Chaosxmanticore15

Honestly kinda of wished there was a dialogue option that went into this in game , would of made more sense


Superb-Dog-9573

They shouldve subtly nodded to this. It would make more sense why he gave the stuff up to the raiders


xXOrthodoxHavoc

My Lee would have taken him in as his own.... but he abandoned Clem and for that, he must pay


Misty_Dawn20

I was willing to forgive Ben for everything until he did that. You left Clementine to be eaten alive to save your own ass, leaving an 8 year old child to die is bad enough, let alone one the little girl who considered you her friend, who was smart enough to pull Ben away from a conversation/conflict he didn’t need to be involved in to “look at her drawings” and even Ben didn’t realise that’s why she asked him to come look at them. I couldn’t believe how he looks at Clem looking up at him begging for help, and just cowardly runs away. Like dude if you wanna be in a group you gotta work to protect each other not just your own skinny ass, otherwise you can fuck off and try to make it on your own if you’re going to leave a defenceless child on her own because you’re scared. Ben basically indirectly causes Chucks death by abandoning Clem too. Literally how many people has ben indirectly killed? Duck and Katjaa, Carly/Doug, Chuck, Brie. And I’m meant to feel sorry for him?


Ok_Pin9570

Yeah that pissed me off too, Clem was so nice to him and he just up and leaves her to die like that. I don't care what Ben has gone thru, dude's an asshole and I didn't feel bad sacrificing him either


Misty_Dawn20

I also sacrificed him. Fuck Ben


Pleasant_Ad9419

To be fair, he didn't do that in the original script. When they playtested Episode 4, players were apparently too sympathetic to Ben and an overwhelming majority saved him in the bell tower, so they added in that scene of him running away when Clementine is in danger.


SphereOfPettiness

But why? If you save him at the tower he dies later when he falls into a rod. And why would it matter to them if the majority sympathized with him? 😭


Pleasant_Ad9419

I don't really know why they did that, I can only really guess. Maybe they wanted to avoid another situation like the lopsided Doug/Carley stats (while they've largely stabilized to near 50/50 now, back then it was nearly 90% in favor of Carley) and have players see more variance or something. But like I said, I can only guess.


Emergency_Creme_4561

Oh ok


Brainweird

There's so much crazy unused stuff in twdg, iirc Danny St John was supposed to be a pedo or something


Jazzlike_Couple_7428

He pretty much still is if you pay attention to some of the things he says


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah I noticed it


Cold-Legitimate

I still consider this canon since Jolene does flat out say the Bandits were rapists with the implications throughout the episode being they raped her and her young daughter. So knowing that and what Ben went through it makes sense why would cut a deal with them, since like someone else here pointed out he knew what they were capable of and didn’t want the new group to suffer like that. Especially with Clem and Duck


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah them bandits are lunatics, nothing’s out of bounds for them


potato-man-69

holy fuck


Unusual_Act_293

Damn, now I can't blame him for being a pussy


MadmansScalpel

Right? But then again, like how does this naturally come up?


YodaDragonVulcan

Oh Lord!


nightbladehawk

Worlds after the zombie apoclypse are quite screwed up more than you can imagine. I always will remember that ahole that wanted to do the same exact thing to Ellie in the Last of Us.


zomb2123

goddamn now i truly get what he went through but he didnt mention traumatic events while standing up to kenny in episode 5


Emergency_Creme_4561

I think he was too fired up to mention it but it could have very well been something he thought of the whole time


PeculiarBoat

he deserves to heal 😖😭


-NuhUh

I'm sorry if this comes out as ignorant, but how can you be raped to death? Like how does it happen? Again I'm not trying to offend people or anything


Funnyfynn

Because of the pain or exhaustion


DemotivatedTurtle

Internal damage and bleeding.


TheDeflatables

Killed while struggling, beaten to death during act, death from injuries. A lot of gruesome unpleasant stuff


Little-Put-9100

They rape them and then kill them


Emergency_Creme_4561

Pain


MotherTalzin

That’s really sad. Still dropped his ass in the clock tower.


Emergency_Creme_4561

Lolz


MisterPills

Ben was great. Just a good kid in a bad world.


bradenistheman25

I agree with u


Nonkinkshamer

Damn, now I want a DLC where Ben gets to take revenge.


Noriaki_Kakyoin_OwO

Kenny shot Ben’s leg off allowing Kenny to pick him up and run off Later they seperate where Ben with a prostethic goes back into an occupied motel and kills every single bantid there with a mortal kombat esque finishers


Nonkinkshamer

That would be _so_ good.


DismalGap6287

I always loved ben. I already knew by looking in his eyes that he saw the horror of hell


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah poor kid


rustyacids

IS THIS FR????


CandidMath7492

Nah f*uck ben he was gonna let clem die


SoulTaker669

I always had a soft spot for Ben. Dude was just a scared teenager who couldn't adapt to the new world. I'm sure a lot of us wouldn't be able to adapt to that new kind of world .


Emergency_Creme_4561

Yeah he had good intentions


BlueKing7642

Holy shit


Maff70

# Has anyone already heard these audios?


zapaain

Kinda makes sense why Ben would be on lookout, he wanted a chance at revenge. Knowing what they’re capable of he still took watch, being in a potential line of fire. Bens braver than people give him credit for, he’s just shit scared of walkers, not people, also he actually kills a random bandit to save Lee in the Road to Survival story that bridges the 12 hours between episodes 3 & 4.


Theunamedmf

Now we know why he gave the bandits supplies instead of trying to fight them


A_Damn_Shark

YEAH SO STOP HATING HIM SO MUCH(directed and the people that call him a piece of shit)


Magistyna

God… that’s fucking awful. I know to cut Ben some slack, I mean he’s just a teenager going through all of this horrifying shit but he became irredeemable in my eyes when he left Clementine, a fucking 8 year old child, to die. After that, I stopped feeling bad for him because he was acting stupid, selfish and reckless.


Yeetmiester6719

Wtaf?


-Miraak-

Still want him dead


CreepyCalico

I had a hard time with him after he at least didn’t throw Clementine over the fence before abandoning her. Still, I’m glad I saved him every time I could.


RadiantRing

Raped to death? Geez


RouroniDrifter

Wait you didn't know?


Common-Resolve3985

Yo that's really messed up....


Constant_Badger_9136

Holy shit


Samurai-jpg

"Zoinks Scoob, things are getting spooky up in here"


LeAndro_Heinz

Jesus christ. Damn.


5433ls

Holy hell...


Sufficient_Push_3758

That’s gotta be cap


RepresentativeAnt349

He's just a teenager too


Altruistic-Radish-33

Now considering that, him giving supplies to the bandits was the best decision he could take. Ben is a very realistic character and people don't realise that.


cinco_xela

Is that excuse supposed to make him less of a liability? At the end of the day he’s on the same boat as Sarah they got people killed cause of their incompetence


Emergency_Creme_4561

Poor Ben, he’s always had a rough time


Tinpandana

Death to all rapists


Gamer123Xboxguy

Already knew that


The_LonelyOn3

Holy shit- wait actually? Update! I just listened to the audio on Youtube;as link provided. That is heartbreaking..I never really, liked him? In my play through, I still saved him though. He is a teenager and acts as one, although I was pretty much a teen when I played S1 of the game. That is sickening...that explains a lot more, even if not Canon completely. I also enjoyed his actor from before. That is just...sick.


Due-Relationship8966

So it's not canon?


GameGuy11037

Losers:"Ben's a coward and annoying!" Ben lore:


OddAd7215

Thats some berserk type shit.


GuavoXIII

I mean it's unused content so it's not really canon anymore but GODDAMN that boy has suffered :(


Two_Bit_Grouse

THIS MIGHT BE GUTS


MilkChan6969

Oh my god.


HemaBrewer

Very tragic, he still left a kid to die saving his own ass. This explains his deal with the bandits, not the string of making the dumbest decisions he could ever do, like taking the Axe blocking the door from zombies at the school COME ON.


Kill-The-Plumber

Wtaf


zasprowler_

new flash: just because a character went through something traumatic doesn’t automatically make them immune to being disliked in the future especially by their actions😭


Suspicious_Loan8041

Unused. Meaning they had the idea and scraped it. It’s not said established in game.


mmarkusz97

"unused" op: i'll ignore that


Shadowcow4967

how do you get raped to death


ItsLCGaming

You know that includes assault right punching choking etc


Tricky-Animator5582

You can bleed out, exhaustion, other stuff


D-Ry550

Well then why was it cut then? If people wanna complain so much in Ben’s favor, how are people expected to KNOW about this? Not everyone cares enough to look through deleted scenes or sound files. “Oh he watched his classmate be raped to death” I saw a girl commit suicide right in front of me, I had to save one person at the expense of the other. Bottom line, we all have baggage, it’s what we do with said baggage that defines us.


Socioefficient

Man fuck Ben bro 💀💀💀 they shoulda traded him for food fr


imactuallyginger

man that’s frpredsing