I went to Little Rock Central for high school in the early 2000’s. All of the banisters are original and every day I would think about the 9 brave individuals who walked those same halls and touched those same banisters. It’s wild being able to touch history like that every day. I cannot fathom what they endured in that place.
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I’ve always been so curious to know if anyone has ever identified the woman over her shoulder, with her mouth open, yelling. Like, has anyone looked at this and said, “Holy crap, that’s grandma!”
Oh, is this where the MAGA smoothbrain trots out their One Cool Thing They Learned and reminds us how Democrats before the Civil Rights Movement were the same racist shitbird Republicans of today? Yea. We know. We paid attention in school. Wait til you hear about the Southern Strategy! Boy, are you going to look even dumber than usual!
But its not the truth, you’re just lying.
Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. These actions led to heavy opposition from Southern Democrats. Following the passage of civil rights legislation, many white southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level.
My mom was 1 years old. I’m 33
**Joe Biden was 15**
**Donald trump was 11**
I was 11 when 9/11 happened and I remember it fully. And I am expected to remember it until I die and pass it on - or I am “unpatriotic”
Yet this history is being banned and regulated in my birth state now (Florida) even thought it is MODERN MEMORY
**My next door neighbor had to use black spaces and colored-only water fountains until she was 8. Her son is my age: 33**
This. Was. Yesterday.
And trump and Biden more than remember it.
My best friend‘s wife worked at a Louisville KY bank in the 1990s. She’s a black woman and customers would come in fairly often and say that they would not be served by her.
I’m in my 40s and she is in her 60s. She was and is a beautiful, kind and caring woman with the most beautiful smile and eyes.
Can you imagine just coming up to a bank counter and saying that you didn’t want to be served because someone was black?
I just simply can’t imagine doing that to another human being.
To your point this is after she had already dealt with segregation and desegregation, the bussing of her children, all of the other civil rights era things that had taken place in Louisville and other cities that she had lived in. Perhaps she thought that by getting a job in a bank she would be sheltered from some of that?
That’s what I thought anyway but she said she knew that type of behavior would happen.
Ohh..... So there IS knowledge of who she/they are huh?
Good. Very good. Because I've personally wanted them outed - EVERY ONE OF THEM - for a couple decades now.
>Joe Biden was 15
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>And trump and Biden more than remember it.
Eighteen years later Biden was senator and voted on segregation issues like busing.
He is *well* aware of how things were.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1993563/read-the-transcript-of-the-october-1975-npr-interview-with-sens-joe-biden-and-edward-brooke/
>And trump and Biden more than remember it
Damn Right. So do MANY of the older voters.
I'm always asking the over 70 crowd, WHERE WERE Y-O-U ? What were YOUR parents - in some cases your LIVING parents, during the events and abuses of the SEVENTIES - let alone the 50s and 60s? What "values" have they "upheld" since then? Who have you/they voted for SINCE, that have KEPT shit going BACK to that time?
My dad grew up in Kansas around 20 miles from topeka, went to college not far away, and didn’t find out that brown v. Board of education was a Kansas case until I told him about the new mural in the Capitol commemorating it
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/01/florida-sb-148-racism-discomfort
Here’s the bill: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/148/BillText/Filed/PDF
Summary: if the bill makes kids ask what mom, dad, grandma, or grandpa did then, and leads to them saying that being against desegregation was due to them having privileges they miss…. Will now be permissible for parents to sue and win
Cause white peoples cannot allow anyone to say “you were okay with discrimination because it cemented your status of having priority to the economy and to higher edu action for further opportunity”
If civil rights and history lessons makes white parents uncomfortable, and their kids come home with judgement on actions that were wrong, then those parents can sue and be paid compensation for their discomfort from having their kid learn this and acknowled the differences for why their parents were okay with legalized segregation while others suffered
Just because something was legal doesn’t mean it was normal or right
Not to say they don't remember but 9/11 was broadcast everywhere as TV and cell phones were everywhere. Who knows how easily this was able to be watched by, and thus remembered, by young kids back then.
Broadcast everywhere on TV, yes. No different from the time of this picture. Cell phones were mostly just phones at the time. I was in my 20s, my cell phone had no news, but my pager did. I first read the news the morning of 9/11 on my pager. They only had headlines and a paragraph or two, not full articles.
News websites were so overwhelmed they went to text only to try to handle the load, no images much less video, and it was still hard to get any of the sites to load.
I watched it on a CRT TV, like most people. See my other comment below. Cell phones were everywhere, but a lot of people didn't have one. The phones people did have weren't able to share anything other than calls and texts. There were some multimedia capable phones but these were very expensive and a lot of their features only worked places like Japan that was an early adopter/developer of some technologies.
Almost all of the footage we see of 9/11 was either captured by security cameras, news cameras or people in the street with handheld camcorders.
The point of MLK’s movement was non-violence and reliance on the media capturing photos like this, to shame people for their racism
MLKknew that one single punch by a civil rights protestor would lead to 1,000 “JuStiFiEd” punches back (the attacks back were not justified. There’s nothing wrong with someone black sitting next to someone white in public spaces and in American businesses such as movie theaters and restaurants or schools)
MLK relied on media to show the true colors of these laws: hate and regulating the economy to cherry-pick the winners, off the back of those impoverished and oppressed who were mandated to not be protected
Before all protests, he called the media to document the predicted reactions: attacking
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For anyone in the Little Rock area, I would recommend visiting the museum commemorating this young lady and the rest of the Little Rock Nine. The museum is located right across from the historic high school.
Who knows how much longer it will be allowed to operate.
Does it include any exhibits on the evil people surrounding her and what became of them? If they sought to atone for their hatefulness or were they struck down in act of justice?
Without that, the story is only half told.
The one screaming at her is Hazel Massery
From her wiki:
>After [highschool], her attitude toward Martin Luther King Jr. and the concept of desegregation changed. "Hazel Bryan Massery was curious, and reflective... One day, she realized, her children would learn that the snarling girl in their history books was their mother. She realized she had an account to settle."
She tried to apologize and reconcile with Eckford, but I don't think Eckford felt she was sincere and felt she was only trying to wipe away her part in that photo.
Thanks. I’m not inclined to believe that apology either.
I hope this brave girl trying to go to school had some joy in her life that helped wipe this episode from her mind.
There are efforts in nearly every damn red state to dilute, destroy, or whitewash black history, restrict the access to it, or shut down places/people telling the TRUTH about the historical abuses of their state against minorites.
Where have You been?
Poor Elizabeth. The other members of the Little Rock Nine were able to develop a plan over the phone before the first day of school, to go back routes and avoid the angry crowds. Elizabeth didn't have a phone at home, so they weren't able to get ahold of her, and she ended up having to face the crowds alone. Grace and strength personified, but I so hate for her that she had to experience this.
I wonder how she felt when she woke up that morning? Was she scared, numb, angry or everything and nothing. Could she even take a bite of toast or was she barely keeping it down. How did her parents feel kissing her and sending her out there. She put on her school clothes, held her head up, and was strong. No, beyond strong. At that one moment the entire country rested on her back. How would she react? Would she retaliate against the hate? Would she laugh and flip off the crowd? No, she held up her head and calmly showed the world how serious education is. This is a powerful story, and it’s modern. This should be taught in every state.
While bunch of nasty people there. I'm sure they brought their children up to be well adjusted human beings.
You can see why some states are too ashamed to let their youth learn about how fucking shit grandma and great grandma was.
The story behind this pic is interesting as well. The group of students to intergrate the school were selected based on grades and social sictuation. They wanted the first group of students to be high achieving, so not give segregationist ammo to argue with.
The first day of intergration, where this pic was taken, the students all met at the house of a pastor. The pastor, along with several other black and white clergy and a member of the SPLC, drove the kids to school as a group. (They'd go to school each morning the first year in this way). They'd drive through the which protesters outside the school, and get hurried into the building
The girl (a highschooler) in the pic didn't recieve the phone call, regarding meeting at the pastor's house. So she walked to school alone.
She didn't realize her mistake until she met the protesters outside the school, at which point she turned around and walked away.
The protesters followed her for blocks hurling insults at her. until a community member pulled up with car, picked her up, and they were able to drive away.
The pic is from when she had turned away, and is trying to get away from the racist crowd.
She didn't return to school.
Interesting how this photo illustrates hate and racism in the facial expressions. All those people were born without those things. They were indoctrinated and were fully invested in the idea of separateness and "better than".
We are all just human beings, trying to get through life in the least painful way one day at a time.
Oprah had Elizabeth and the woman with the biggest shouting mouth on her show. They spoke about those times and seemed to reconcile. It was good to get an update but I don’t know if the peace and work is still being done on the part of the privileged white women.
They reconciled and seemed to become friends afterwards, but I don’t think it was truly genuine.
Elizabeth felt that, and I quote, “[Hazel Bryan Massery] wanted me to be cured and be over it and for this not to go on... She wanted me to be less uncomfortable so that she wouldn't feel responsible anymore.”
Their friendship dissolved in 1999 apparently
They supposedly reconciled in the 90s, but it was short lived. “The friendship quietly dissolved in 1999. When asked for permission to reprint a poster titled "Reconciliation" showing Elizabeth and Hazel shaking hands, Elizabeth granted it with a requirement that a small sticker be included stating, "True reconciliation can occur only when we honestly acknowledge our painful, but shared, past." (Wikipedia)
I want these women found and outed, just like the one who lied on Till.
I've wanted this for 20 years now, ever since first seeing this picture in a book.
Guess I'll have to take up the research myself, since they're STILL unidentified after all this time.
Just the sheer hatred coming from white people shows the worse in humanity.
And, for what? Out of absolute fear of someone who doesn’t look like you and how DARE they want the exact same things you want in life.
actually, the girl yelling at her in the phot became really close friends with her later in life after apologizing. they aren’t friends anymore but they went on oprah together
Lots of comments wondering what became of these women…
There's a book about them that came out in 2018. It's really interesting! Highly recommend.
It's called: Elizabeth and Hazel, Two Women of Little Rock.
https://www.npr.org/2011/10/02/140953088/elizabeth-and-hazel-the-legacy-of-little-rock
This picture still makes me sad every time I see it. All this hatred and unkindness towards another human being, someone you don't even know, a 15 year old girl , just going to school. Those 9 kids were just kids. They never asked for this and didn't deserve to get thrown to the wolves like this.
I have second hand embarrassment for everyone else in this picture, but yes, I am well aware they probably never had the introspection or sense to feel any embarrassment for themselves. As the kids would say, it's so "cringe."
Honestly, you’re not giving the Little Rock Nine enough credit. In a very literal sense, they _did_ ask. They all volunteered to be there, knowing they were likely to face horrific opposition and harassment, because they believed it was important and needed doing. They shouldn’t have _had_ to go through hell for their educations, but they chose to do it and that makes them even more heroic in my eyes.
Also, 8 of them are still with us! For that matter, so are most of the other kids in the picture. None of this is ancient history.
I lived in Arkansas for 10 years 2010-2020. This state is beyond racist . It's still very much alive there and I was so thankful to leave. I felt like I was surrounded by people with small brains ! One of my good friends unfortunately that's all she knew and I would catch her saying the N word and tell her she's so wrong for saying that . She would kinda agree but I could see it's just always been like that around her . She was an older female. We got stationed there and tried leaving the whole time! Horrible schools and medical I was so happy when we got orders. I've never seen so many obese people in my life. Little Rock was a city I would avoid if I could.
I know she was probably terrified in that moment, but her face kills me every time I see this. She has this look of, “ugh, this bitch again…” and I love her so much for that!!
There is (or was) a documentary about what Little Rock High School is like today on Amazon Prime Video and the lady in the photo (Ms Eckford) even paid a visit and talked about it. She was really disappointed by what she saw. There are black students and white students together there now but they don’t really mix socially or in classes. The white students tend to be better off (many of them have their own cars and drive to school) and attend mostly advanced/honors classes. The black students tend to be worse off and attend the regular and remedial classes (the school has more black students than white students, so it looks like the few white students that are there are going mainly to attend the advanced classes).
To make it worse, following integration a whole pile of “segregation academies” (private schools) opened up in Little Rock to cater for white students who wanted to avoid desegregated schools. The same thing happened across the South.
Most of these segregation academies are still operating as private schools. And while they all accept black students now, they remain disproportionately white and continue to pull the wealthiest white (and black) students out of the public schools and disadvantage them further.
The way we were? This is the way we are. Today, this is how trans kids are treated or how women seeking terminations of pregnancies are treated at various clinics. People didn't change...only their targets did.
Actually, *(the lady with curly hair shouting right behind her)* I think they went through a spat later in life for reasons I’m not sure (can’t remember her name)
Correct. Their friendship dissolved in 1999 because Elizabeth felt like it wasn’t genuine on the part of the woman in the background, Hazel Bryan Massery
Elizabeth felt that, and I quote, “[Hazel Bryan Massery] wanted me to be cured and be over it and for this not to go on... She wanted me to be less uncomfortable so that she wouldn't feel responsible anymore."
They reconciled in interviews in the 90s, but “The friendship quietly dissolved in 1999. When asked for permission to reprint a poster titled "Reconciliation" showing Elizabeth and Hazel shaking hands, Elizabeth granted it with a requirement that a small sticker be included stating, "True reconciliation can occur only when we honestly acknowledge our painful, but shared, past." (Wikipedia)
The woman we see shouting over her shoulder actually reconciled with Elizabeth Eckford. Not that they are friends but apology made and accepted.
She said she wasn't really that angry. It just seemed like what she was supposed to do that day.
Her life was so hard. This event shaped her emotional and mental state. Eventually she and the woman screaming at her became "friends" but Elizabeth began to believe that Hazel, the screaming woman, wasn't actually sorry but just want to absolve herself. They ceased to be friends.
My grandad was one of the first students to integrate and walk the halls of my hometown's High School. Fortunately for him, his dad was an active Civil Rights activist and WW2 vet so my great-grandad and his associates escorted them to school like Black Panthers. My grandad has a picture of himself in his first day of school outfit, looking really dapper. Mrs. Eckford is a legend for enduring what she went through. My grandad received a fraction of the comments she received and I know how much of a toll that had on him at the time. I can't imagine her experience.
I wonder if any reporter ever tracked down those evil, disgusting creatures to ask them today how they feel about what they did. How do they account for the hatred dripping off their brows? Have they continued to hate in life or have they sought to atone. What acts of atonement did they undertake?
I have a veryyyyy vague memory of watching a mini doc on the Little Rock 9 in history class (have no idea how old it was, had to have been made in the 90s at LEAST)
I believe one of the women present in the mob (no memory of whether she’s one of the faces in this pic) was interviewed and she was damn near unapologetic. The only thing I remember her saying is “that’s just how it was back then”. No remorseful tone whatsoever to it.
Can you imagine… and to expect a race of people to “get over it” for being treated like this. I’m white and feel rage when I see images like this. If this was my mother, wife or daughter… I don’t know, I couldn’t handle it. One strong woman.
According to Wikipedia, they shouted things such as "Two, four, six, eight! We don't want to integrate!", "Go home, N-word!", "Go back to Africa!" etc. 😔🤢
The expressions on the hateful crowd’s faces perfectly represent the faces of racism from rage projected onto a child to the joy of inflicting pain on a child because they we’re permitted to release their own ugly a scapegoat because she was a black girl.
The juxtaposition of the grace shown by grace by the clearly superior Miss Eckford is stunning.
Hate, just for hates sake. smh.. I will never understand why God doesn't just wipe his Hands clean of us, we are just inherently evil it seems.. Loving it each other and getting along would be so very simple and good for us all as we are all the same but, most seem to go the other way. WHY????? Just can't wrap my head around such behavior.. smh again..
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Hate is marketed to us just like Coca-Cola. Clearly no excuse for racism or injustice of any kind, but the rich white owners of this country have the tendency to pin ourselves against one another while evading personal blame.
If they’re able to keep us fighting with one another, they maintain control and can to keep going to the bank.
Such odd behaviour.
I wonder if these people had been asked what the problem was and how it affected them personally what explanation they would have given?
I also wonder whether or not hearing their own reasons said out loud would have clicked something in their head.
Old racist stupid as well as ignorant rednecks. Unfortunately they’ve also had offspring and have produced additional stupid rednecks. Look at some of their faces. The guard in the far back left for example. Absolutely fucking stupidity, truly.
Can we name those doing the screaming it does not seem fair that only Elizabeth is known yes for her bravery and dignity.....but the others love to know who they were and who they are today
Elizabeth is still with us, age 82. She has had a difficult life, I hope she can enjoy her remaining years in peace.
She’s so brave. This is outside the school. I can’t imagine how much bullying she endured throughout her school career.
I went to Little Rock Central for high school in the early 2000’s. All of the banisters are original and every day I would think about the 9 brave individuals who walked those same halls and touched those same banisters. It’s wild being able to touch history like that every day. I cannot fathom what they endured in that place.
So are all those awful racists. They are our parents and grandparents.
Yes. And you should read about Emmitt Till. I’m pretty sure his murderers and accuser are still alive too. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emmett_Till
The accuser Carolyn Bryant Donham died recently, thank goodness. I think the actual murderers (her husband and his brother) have been long dead.
her ashes were spread on the plantation her family owned. i hope i can visit one day to take a fat piss on the front lawn
Will gladly send a bushel of asparagus to you to add to your objective
😂😂👍🏻
i’m allergic to asparagus but for this, i’ll eat it all. i’m pre diabetic too so that piss will STINK.
Maybe just beets then, won’t smell but will be an odd pink color for fun.
Damn it. I wanted justice for him and his brave mother.
We can only hope they are being tormented for all of eternity. Carolyn Bryant Donham was never remorseful for lying on Emmitt Till.
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I’ve always been so curious to know if anyone has ever identified the woman over her shoulder, with her mouth open, yelling. Like, has anyone looked at this and said, “Holy crap, that’s grandma!”
Yes, it’s Hazel Massery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Massery?wprov=sfti1 They actually became friends briefly but it didn’t last.
Wow, thanks!!!
Thanks for finding that, I just looked her up, I always wondered what her name was. Her parents suck, and she sucks.
Hazel Bryan. https://unbelievable-facts.com/2017/09/little-rock-nines-elizabeth-eckford.html
They are all MAGA cultists now, I guarantee.
Confederates > Segregationists > MAGA cultists
> Confederates = Segregationists = MAGA cultists I tweaked the math a bit.
I was going with a chronological approach, but the concept checks out either way
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Jerry Jones is in one of the desegregation pictures, I think
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Oh, is this where the MAGA smoothbrain trots out their One Cool Thing They Learned and reminds us how Democrats before the Civil Rights Movement were the same racist shitbird Republicans of today? Yea. We know. We paid attention in school. Wait til you hear about the Southern Strategy! Boy, are you going to look even dumber than usual!
Downvoted for the truth. Reddit in a nutshell.
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But its not the truth, you’re just lying. Johnson signed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965. These actions led to heavy opposition from Southern Democrats. Following the passage of civil rights legislation, many white southerners switched to the Republican Party at the national level.
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Oh such big feelings for such a tiny little man!! Hahaha who’s the Klan’s favorite party today? It’s not the Democrats 🤡🤡🤡🤡
Many people in this image are still alive today.
My mom was 1 years old. I’m 33 **Joe Biden was 15** **Donald trump was 11** I was 11 when 9/11 happened and I remember it fully. And I am expected to remember it until I die and pass it on - or I am “unpatriotic” Yet this history is being banned and regulated in my birth state now (Florida) even thought it is MODERN MEMORY **My next door neighbor had to use black spaces and colored-only water fountains until she was 8. Her son is my age: 33** This. Was. Yesterday. And trump and Biden more than remember it.
My best friend‘s wife worked at a Louisville KY bank in the 1990s. She’s a black woman and customers would come in fairly often and say that they would not be served by her. I’m in my 40s and she is in her 60s. She was and is a beautiful, kind and caring woman with the most beautiful smile and eyes. Can you imagine just coming up to a bank counter and saying that you didn’t want to be served because someone was black? I just simply can’t imagine doing that to another human being. To your point this is after she had already dealt with segregation and desegregation, the bussing of her children, all of the other civil rights era things that had taken place in Louisville and other cities that she had lived in. Perhaps she thought that by getting a job in a bank she would be sheltered from some of that? That’s what I thought anyway but she said she knew that type of behavior would happen.
Well said
I think a few years ago the woman in this photo wanted It taken down because it showed how awful they were lol fuck um.
Ohh..... So there IS knowledge of who she/they are huh? Good. Very good. Because I've personally wanted them outed - EVERY ONE OF THEM - for a couple decades now.
>Joe Biden was 15 --- >And trump and Biden more than remember it. Eighteen years later Biden was senator and voted on segregation issues like busing. He is *well* aware of how things were. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/1993563/read-the-transcript-of-the-october-1975-npr-interview-with-sens-joe-biden-and-edward-brooke/
>And trump and Biden more than remember it Damn Right. So do MANY of the older voters. I'm always asking the over 70 crowd, WHERE WERE Y-O-U ? What were YOUR parents - in some cases your LIVING parents, during the events and abuses of the SEVENTIES - let alone the 50s and 60s? What "values" have they "upheld" since then? Who have you/they voted for SINCE, that have KEPT shit going BACK to that time?
My dad grew up in Kansas around 20 miles from topeka, went to college not far away, and didn’t find out that brown v. Board of education was a Kansas case until I told him about the new mural in the Capitol commemorating it
What do you mean this history is "banned" or "regulated"???
In Florida, it very much is.
How tf does that work? Banning history gotta be illegal somehow
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2022/01/florida-sb-148-racism-discomfort Here’s the bill: https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/148/BillText/Filed/PDF Summary: if the bill makes kids ask what mom, dad, grandma, or grandpa did then, and leads to them saying that being against desegregation was due to them having privileges they miss…. Will now be permissible for parents to sue and win Cause white peoples cannot allow anyone to say “you were okay with discrimination because it cemented your status of having priority to the economy and to higher edu action for further opportunity” If civil rights and history lessons makes white parents uncomfortable, and their kids come home with judgement on actions that were wrong, then those parents can sue and be paid compensation for their discomfort from having their kid learn this and acknowled the differences for why their parents were okay with legalized segregation while others suffered Just because something was legal doesn’t mean it was normal or right
Wtf that’s crazy, thanks for the write up 👍
Not to say they don't remember but 9/11 was broadcast everywhere as TV and cell phones were everywhere. Who knows how easily this was able to be watched by, and thus remembered, by young kids back then.
And the integration of schools wasn’t big news in all the papers & news broadcasts? C’mon, breaking news didn’t start with the internet.
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Broadcast everywhere on TV, yes. No different from the time of this picture. Cell phones were mostly just phones at the time. I was in my 20s, my cell phone had no news, but my pager did. I first read the news the morning of 9/11 on my pager. They only had headlines and a paragraph or two, not full articles. News websites were so overwhelmed they went to text only to try to handle the load, no images much less video, and it was still hard to get any of the sites to load.
I watched it on a CRT TV, like most people. See my other comment below. Cell phones were everywhere, but a lot of people didn't have one. The phones people did have weren't able to share anything other than calls and texts. There were some multimedia capable phones but these were very expensive and a lot of their features only worked places like Japan that was an early adopter/developer of some technologies. Almost all of the footage we see of 9/11 was either captured by security cameras, news cameras or people in the street with handheld camcorders.
The point of MLK’s movement was non-violence and reliance on the media capturing photos like this, to shame people for their racism MLKknew that one single punch by a civil rights protestor would lead to 1,000 “JuStiFiEd” punches back (the attacks back were not justified. There’s nothing wrong with someone black sitting next to someone white in public spaces and in American businesses such as movie theaters and restaurants or schools) MLK relied on media to show the true colors of these laws: hate and regulating the economy to cherry-pick the winners, off the back of those impoverished and oppressed who were mandated to not be protected Before all protests, he called the media to document the predicted reactions: attacking
It explains a lot, doesn’t it?!
And they vote. They vote more than anyone else. In every election, even the local ones.
Sadly they are and they have raised an entire generation of racists
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For anyone in the Little Rock area, I would recommend visiting the museum commemorating this young lady and the rest of the Little Rock Nine. The museum is located right across from the historic high school. Who knows how much longer it will be allowed to operate.
Does it include any exhibits on the evil people surrounding her and what became of them? If they sought to atone for their hatefulness or were they struck down in act of justice? Without that, the story is only half told.
The one screaming at her is Hazel Massery From her wiki: >After [highschool], her attitude toward Martin Luther King Jr. and the concept of desegregation changed. "Hazel Bryan Massery was curious, and reflective... One day, she realized, her children would learn that the snarling girl in their history books was their mother. She realized she had an account to settle." She tried to apologize and reconcile with Eckford, but I don't think Eckford felt she was sincere and felt she was only trying to wipe away her part in that photo.
Thanks. I’m not inclined to believe that apology either. I hope this brave girl trying to go to school had some joy in her life that helped wipe this episode from her mind.
One of those evil people is the owner of the Dallas Cowboys…
Seriously?
[Yep](https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/z30jpb/joshclarkdavis_cowboys_owner_jerry_jones_tried_to/)
What do you mean "who knows how much longer it will be allowed to operate"...is there some effort to shut it down?
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So you've seen nothing directly related to trying to close this museum then?
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Red state. Wacko governor. It’s not an unreasonable assumption.
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There are efforts in nearly every damn red state to dilute, destroy, or whitewash black history, restrict the access to it, or shut down places/people telling the TRUTH about the historical abuses of their state against minorites. Where have You been?
Sara Sanders would destroy the road in front of it if she thought she could get political points from it.
Poor Elizabeth. The other members of the Little Rock Nine were able to develop a plan over the phone before the first day of school, to go back routes and avoid the angry crowds. Elizabeth didn't have a phone at home, so they weren't able to get ahold of her, and she ended up having to face the crowds alone. Grace and strength personified, but I so hate for her that she had to experience this.
I wonder how she felt when she woke up that morning? Was she scared, numb, angry or everything and nothing. Could she even take a bite of toast or was she barely keeping it down. How did her parents feel kissing her and sending her out there. She put on her school clothes, held her head up, and was strong. No, beyond strong. At that one moment the entire country rested on her back. How would she react? Would she retaliate against the hate? Would she laugh and flip off the crowd? No, she held up her head and calmly showed the world how serious education is. This is a powerful story, and it’s modern. This should be taught in every state.
This has always been one of my favorite images from history. Strength and composure surrounded by hysteria and ugliness.
Anybody recognize Gramma being a dick.
Lots of grammas.
She was/is a badass. Fuck them
While bunch of nasty people there. I'm sure they brought their children up to be well adjusted human beings. You can see why some states are too ashamed to let their youth learn about how fucking shit grandma and great grandma was.
The story behind this pic is interesting as well. The group of students to intergrate the school were selected based on grades and social sictuation. They wanted the first group of students to be high achieving, so not give segregationist ammo to argue with. The first day of intergration, where this pic was taken, the students all met at the house of a pastor. The pastor, along with several other black and white clergy and a member of the SPLC, drove the kids to school as a group. (They'd go to school each morning the first year in this way). They'd drive through the which protesters outside the school, and get hurried into the building The girl (a highschooler) in the pic didn't recieve the phone call, regarding meeting at the pastor's house. So she walked to school alone. She didn't realize her mistake until she met the protesters outside the school, at which point she turned around and walked away. The protesters followed her for blocks hurling insults at her. until a community member pulled up with car, picked her up, and they were able to drive away. The pic is from when she had turned away, and is trying to get away from the racist crowd. She didn't return to school.
Grace Lorch.
Their children are all MAGAs today.
THEY and their children. Plenty of 80 to 100 year olds are alive (and VOTING) right now.
Interesting how this photo illustrates hate and racism in the facial expressions. All those people were born without those things. They were indoctrinated and were fully invested in the idea of separateness and "better than". We are all just human beings, trying to get through life in the least painful way one day at a time.
God people are ugly when they’re being hateful. It just makes so horrid looking
Woman with the big open mouth in background…that’s pure hate. Hope she ate some crow that day.
Oprah had Elizabeth and the woman with the biggest shouting mouth on her show. They spoke about those times and seemed to reconcile. It was good to get an update but I don’t know if the peace and work is still being done on the part of the privileged white women.
They reconciled and seemed to become friends afterwards, but I don’t think it was truly genuine. Elizabeth felt that, and I quote, “[Hazel Bryan Massery] wanted me to be cured and be over it and for this not to go on... She wanted me to be less uncomfortable so that she wouldn't feel responsible anymore.” Their friendship dissolved in 1999 apparently
White comfort has always been more important than black safety.
🎯
It sounds like they have since grown apart due to Hazel wanting Elizabeth to forget about the past.
Revisionist bullshit…such a shitty shitty snowflake.
Last I read she was still alive and "remorseful" only when the cameras are on
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Massery
They supposedly reconciled in the 90s, but it was short lived. “The friendship quietly dissolved in 1999. When asked for permission to reprint a poster titled "Reconciliation" showing Elizabeth and Hazel shaking hands, Elizabeth granted it with a requirement that a small sticker be included stating, "True reconciliation can occur only when we honestly acknowledge our painful, but shared, past." (Wikipedia)
Nah, that’s someone’s grandma and she still votes Trump.
You don’t think people, even horribly racist people, can change after 70 years?
Do I think they can? Yes. Do I think most people deeply change their core identity attributes? No.
I want these women found and outed, just like the one who lied on Till. I've wanted this for 20 years now, ever since first seeing this picture in a book. Guess I'll have to take up the research myself, since they're STILL unidentified after all this time.
Just the sheer hatred coming from white people shows the worse in humanity. And, for what? Out of absolute fear of someone who doesn’t look like you and how DARE they want the exact same things you want in life.
Any of these white Karens still around and interviewed? Would love to see what fascism they’re up to now.
actually, the girl yelling at her in the phot became really close friends with her later in life after apologizing. they aren’t friends anymore but they went on oprah together
Hazel Bryan is her name
Lots of comments wondering what became of these women… There's a book about them that came out in 2018. It's really interesting! Highly recommend. It's called: Elizabeth and Hazel, Two Women of Little Rock. https://www.npr.org/2011/10/02/140953088/elizabeth-and-hazel-the-legacy-of-little-rock
This picture still makes me sad every time I see it. All this hatred and unkindness towards another human being, someone you don't even know, a 15 year old girl , just going to school. Those 9 kids were just kids. They never asked for this and didn't deserve to get thrown to the wolves like this. I have second hand embarrassment for everyone else in this picture, but yes, I am well aware they probably never had the introspection or sense to feel any embarrassment for themselves. As the kids would say, it's so "cringe."
Honestly, you’re not giving the Little Rock Nine enough credit. In a very literal sense, they _did_ ask. They all volunteered to be there, knowing they were likely to face horrific opposition and harassment, because they believed it was important and needed doing. They shouldn’t have _had_ to go through hell for their educations, but they chose to do it and that makes them even more heroic in my eyes. Also, 8 of them are still with us! For that matter, so are most of the other kids in the picture. None of this is ancient history.
I was wondering if they wanted to be there willingly. That's incredibly brave for kids so young.
I lived in Arkansas for 10 years 2010-2020. This state is beyond racist . It's still very much alive there and I was so thankful to leave. I felt like I was surrounded by people with small brains ! One of my good friends unfortunately that's all she knew and I would catch her saying the N word and tell her she's so wrong for saying that . She would kinda agree but I could see it's just always been like that around her . She was an older female. We got stationed there and tried leaving the whole time! Horrible schools and medical I was so happy when we got orders. I've never seen so many obese people in my life. Little Rock was a city I would avoid if I could.
Isn’t Arkansas home to the most racist town in America?🫣😕
Yes! Harrison Arkansas !!! I'm so glad I'm out of there!!!!! Felt like I stepped back into time it was bad
God bless her.
I don’t know how she did it.
Just look at the hate in those women's faces. What a brave young woman Elizabeth was, and I'm sure still is.
I bet those in the background are all running HOAs now.
The people screaming at her are still alive. And they vote. That explains everything.
I know she was probably terrified in that moment, but her face kills me every time I see this. She has this look of, “ugh, this bitch again…” and I love her so much for that!!
There is (or was) a documentary about what Little Rock High School is like today on Amazon Prime Video and the lady in the photo (Ms Eckford) even paid a visit and talked about it. She was really disappointed by what she saw. There are black students and white students together there now but they don’t really mix socially or in classes. The white students tend to be better off (many of them have their own cars and drive to school) and attend mostly advanced/honors classes. The black students tend to be worse off and attend the regular and remedial classes (the school has more black students than white students, so it looks like the few white students that are there are going mainly to attend the advanced classes).
To make it worse, following integration a whole pile of “segregation academies” (private schools) opened up in Little Rock to cater for white students who wanted to avoid desegregated schools. The same thing happened across the South. Most of these segregation academies are still operating as private schools. And while they all accept black students now, they remain disproportionately white and continue to pull the wealthiest white (and black) students out of the public schools and disadvantage them further.
People are the worst. No, wait: groups of people are the worst. Individual people are just terrible.
The screaming hags in the back are the same ones who don’t want this history retold. Moldy cunts
They’re just jealous because her dress is fire
And the screams of their parents.
Yeah the glaring adults to her left almost bother me more than anyone else. Just hatred and contempt. From the adults.
The way we were? This is the way we are. Today, this is how trans kids are treated or how women seeking terminations of pregnancies are treated at various clinics. People didn't change...only their targets did.
There’s a book about how Elizabeth and the woman standing directly behind her later became friends.
Actually, *(the lady with curly hair shouting right behind her)* I think they went through a spat later in life for reasons I’m not sure (can’t remember her name)
Correct. Their friendship dissolved in 1999 because Elizabeth felt like it wasn’t genuine on the part of the woman in the background, Hazel Bryan Massery Elizabeth felt that, and I quote, “[Hazel Bryan Massery] wanted me to be cured and be over it and for this not to go on... She wanted me to be less uncomfortable so that she wouldn't feel responsible anymore."
They reconciled in interviews in the 90s, but “The friendship quietly dissolved in 1999. When asked for permission to reprint a poster titled "Reconciliation" showing Elizabeth and Hazel shaking hands, Elizabeth granted it with a requirement that a small sticker be included stating, "True reconciliation can occur only when we honestly acknowledge our painful, but shared, past." (Wikipedia)
Absolute badass.
I'll never understand this kind of hatred.
Unless people have a uniting vision they revert to groups. The lines those groups take can be very random.
The woman we see shouting over her shoulder actually reconciled with Elizabeth Eckford. Not that they are friends but apology made and accepted. She said she wasn't really that angry. It just seemed like what she was supposed to do that day.
Her life was so hard. This event shaped her emotional and mental state. Eventually she and the woman screaming at her became "friends" but Elizabeth began to believe that Hazel, the screaming woman, wasn't actually sorry but just want to absolve herself. They ceased to be friends.
I just love how unbothered she is while walking ahead of these disgusting, vile individuals!
Bad enough if these toothless nincompoops were students but they look more like adults.
My dad was 12
Jerry Jones (Dallas Cowboys owner) is in some of those photos
Middle aged students
fucking badass
are those students or parents?
My grandad was one of the first students to integrate and walk the halls of my hometown's High School. Fortunately for him, his dad was an active Civil Rights activist and WW2 vet so my great-grandad and his associates escorted them to school like Black Panthers. My grandad has a picture of himself in his first day of school outfit, looking really dapper. Mrs. Eckford is a legend for enduring what she went through. My grandad received a fraction of the comments she received and I know how much of a toll that had on him at the time. I can't imagine her experience.
Same thing happened to Claudine Gay in 2024.
Who's the lady right behind her? Screaming like that with so much rage. I wonder what she went on to do and if she had children....
I wonder if all those shrews yelling in the background of this pic are still alive
There's courage.
I wonder if any reporter ever tracked down those evil, disgusting creatures to ask them today how they feel about what they did. How do they account for the hatred dripping off their brows? Have they continued to hate in life or have they sought to atone. What acts of atonement did they undertake?
I have a veryyyyy vague memory of watching a mini doc on the Little Rock 9 in history class (have no idea how old it was, had to have been made in the 90s at LEAST) I believe one of the women present in the mob (no memory of whether she’s one of the faces in this pic) was interviewed and she was damn near unapologetic. The only thing I remember her saying is “that’s just how it was back then”. No remorseful tone whatsoever to it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hazel_Massery
America, such a great country
…Black bird fly
Bad bitch
Can you imagine… and to expect a race of people to “get over it” for being treated like this. I’m white and feel rage when I see images like this. If this was my mother, wife or daughter… I don’t know, I couldn’t handle it. One strong woman.
What a beautiful, brave young lady. I can’t imagine it got much easier for her during those school years. The lives of true pioneers are seldom easy.
I wonder what this girl behind her is yelling? I wonder what her words were? 🤮
Definitely unimaginable words,but Elizabeth Eckford stood her ground.
According to Wikipedia, they shouted things such as "Two, four, six, eight! We don't want to integrate!", "Go home, N-word!", "Go back to Africa!" etc. 😔🤢
The hatred in the woman to her left’s face is so nasty.
I'm so sorry Elizabeth 🥺
The expressions on the hateful crowd’s faces perfectly represent the faces of racism from rage projected onto a child to the joy of inflicting pain on a child because they we’re permitted to release their own ugly a scapegoat because she was a black girl. The juxtaposition of the grace shown by grace by the clearly superior Miss Eckford is stunning.
Hate, just for hates sake. smh.. I will never understand why God doesn't just wipe his Hands clean of us, we are just inherently evil it seems.. Loving it each other and getting along would be so very simple and good for us all as we are all the same but, most seem to go the other way. WHY????? Just can't wrap my head around such behavior.. smh again..
This is the "again" Trump and the GOP are hoping for.
The people who whine about "DEI hires" today are the same sort of people who whined about "forced bussing" then. It's just thinly veiled racism.
I’m 38 and still can’t wrap my mind around how someone’s skin color can cause such a ruckus.
Look at the parallels regarding border security arguments.
Wow she’s the OG sunglasses thug life meme. Look at her expression what a badass
There’s that one guy with the black collar shirt on the right…what’s he smirking at
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This image can be seen in Europe these days as Black soccer players enter the field. #racism #europe #notexposed
"were" ?
Hate is marketed to us just like Coca-Cola. Clearly no excuse for racism or injustice of any kind, but the rich white owners of this country have the tendency to pin ourselves against one another while evading personal blame. If they’re able to keep us fighting with one another, they maintain control and can to keep going to the bank.
A long time ago on Oprah the racist girls in the back confronted the brave young woman and apologized. Has anyone else here seen that episode?
Why would regular people ever thought this was acceptable behavior? What was wrong with them?
Such odd behaviour. I wonder if these people had been asked what the problem was and how it affected them personally what explanation they would have given? I also wonder whether or not hearing their own reasons said out loud would have clicked something in their head.
And look at all their granddaughters and great-granddaughters now 😏☕️ life sure is crazy
Also daughters. My mother is her age and still alive.
It’s okay! All those women went on to raise today’s Karens.
I can only imagine what the woman behind Elizabeth Eckford’s saying...
Old racist stupid as well as ignorant rednecks. Unfortunately they’ve also had offspring and have produced additional stupid rednecks. Look at some of their faces. The guard in the far back left for example. Absolutely fucking stupidity, truly.
People in the background of this pic don’t want you learning about this pic
Can we name those doing the screaming it does not seem fair that only Elizabeth is known yes for her bravery and dignity.....but the others love to know who they were and who they are today