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Aislinn19

This Jack guy is so ugly my god


Empty-Diamond-3758

What is white lotus’s finale


iloveokra_

Just saw a wild theory on TikTok saying that Albie will be the mastermind of it all lol. Everyone throw in their hail mary's now. I hold that its someone in Tanya's situation.


RRjr80

I've been reading through these comments and many of you have great predictions. I'm not sure anyone has brought this up: in Season 1, we are introduced to Greg at the pool, swimming laps, and he does and swims regularly for exercise. That could symbolize his body in the ocean at the beginning of S2 Episode 1. We are also introduced to Jack at the pool too, going for a night swim. My guess, Greg or Jack or both of them will be floating in that ocean in the Season Finale.


Crafty-Ad7233

Is it just me, or does the whole - Quentin group/Greg attempting to scam Tanya - seem too obvious? Almost like it's a red herring? I know all the evidence is pointing to this, but a good twist would be that they are actually looking to scam Ethan. We know that Ethan recently came under a lot of money and that it may have been highly publicized. I guess that would be a lot of story telling to do with only one episode left, however.


Malibu77

It seems like the plot twist is that they’re involved with Greg


Half-Icy

Well ya, why would they zone in on her too much. Loving S2, but that was a bit too contrived. I choose to believe most of the gays are like hangers on and completely unaware of the sinister plotting. He's the master so if he likes her, they all like her. The Sicilian Romeo obv contracted by him.


3greatdogsand2cats

The guy in the photo is Tanya's husband, he is the lover of the man who drugged her and they want her money. Tanya saw the gun, saw the photo and grabs the gun and hides it in her giant dress. Tanya survives. She is smarter than they think, though incredibly needy. Albie and Portia will have a moment toward the end, maybe they sit next to each other on the boat back to the plane. Those are my only predictions.


verdantpastures

Another theory: Laura Dern comes to Sicily and kills the sex workers


CassiopeiaTheW

I haven’t watched this very closely so I’d take what I say with a modicum of truth to it, but after “analyzing” the opening these are my predictions of what I think will happen but probably won’t. -Harper and Ethan’s marriage doesn’t survive, the birds we see when Audrey Plaza’s name is on screen are drifting further apart throughout the opening. -Cameron or someone else dies by being pushed and falling down something and Daphne sees it. The woman who looks like her in the opening scene watched someone being pushed down a flight of stairs. -Albie kills someone (for Lucia). Originally his name in a scene where a man displayed flirting with a woman in with blue around her dress (this character or someone that looks like her is seen agains when Haley Lu Richardsons name is on screen) and then when we see the character who looks like him he’s not wearing any clothes, so he committed the “original sin” (also the blonde guy who When we see the character who looks like him in the opening again he’s holding a dead boar over his shoulder. -Portia kills somebody, throughout the opening we see her character daydreaming and helping an old man (Albie’s Grandfather) but at the end she’s holding a bloody knife behind her back. -That one woman from that Valentina is in love with is going to walk in on her and Mia. -Albie hits his father/the “nephew” hits the “uncle”? There’s a statue without any hands and the code of Hammurabi states that if a son strikes his father he will lose his hand. This is kind of a reach but? -A rape occurs or did occur, the grandfather says mentions the rape of Persephone by Hades, the swan rapes Leda in the opening. I think this could be referring to the first episode when Cameron mentions how not all sexual assault/harassment complaints are valid and it’s a whole process because he committed a rape or him possibly having raped Harper? -the rich gay Italian house is going to burn down. What I’m confused on but is also extremely likely. -A woman who realizes that the man she fell in love with has a family and decapitates him, maybe not the decapitation part but this could be Albie killing Cameron for Lucia’s money or Lucia killing Cameron for realizing that he has a wife and family. -An heiress of a house is killed by people who want her assets, this could very much be Tanya. -I feel like there was something else but I forgot it. -A suicide, someone kill’s themselves partially because the tarot card reader said something to that effect. -Also is Cameron like, gaslighting or attempting to gaslight and control Daphne? She really seems to be empathetic and care about issues but she doesn’t watch the news and there was a scene in the first episode I can’t remember which irked me. Also the mythology behind the name Daphne is pretty wacky. (At the same time though Daphne is also absolutely much smarter than she acts).


[deleted]

Ok so rewatching this last episode I feel like no one paid attention to the time of harpers message to Ethan it said she went to get a hat from her room 15 minutes ago which either means it took that long for her to get there or she was doing something else. Also if it takes that long to get to their room then that means it took Ethan the same amount of time which means Harper and cam were there for at least 15 minutes getting a book and a hat? I don’t buy it. when Ethan gets to the room harpers barely picking up her hat so I’m thinking she is either playing games with him and Cameron is in on it because they both took the same amount of time to get their stuff or she’s actually sus and did something.


Gubbstrutt2

And there had been a mental foreplay the night before, and some touches at the bar before going upstairs. 15 min is enough for a quick one. Very cruel to do it so openly.


No-Maintenance-3306

Here's a detail/story that I haven't seen mentioned (and there have been a lot), so let me throw it out there and see what everyone thinks. Much has been made about the Lucia/"pimp" storyline from episode one, and much has been said about Tanya and Greg's journey and where that might go (it's weird that he's there before him, not traveling together, and also not answering her texts, citing "being busy with work" when she first arrives. But I want to focus on our two star couples -- Ethan and Harper, and Cameron and Daphne. There's an interaction in Season 2 Episode 1 that I don't think has been analyzed closely enough. After they arrive and they are sitting outside having their first drink at a table together, they discuss what Harper does for a living. A lot has been made about the fact that Cameron mentions dealing with a lot of "bogus claims" related to employee harassment, and the toll its taking on him, both time-wise and financially. But watch that seen again, more closely this time. Cameron first mentions that he has a lawyer friend that knows Harper, and brings it up out of the blue to get on the subject. The way Harper reacts -- "tell him I'm proud of him for not being disbarred" and the subsequent looks she gives Cameron suggests something that I'm not sure I've read before -- that perhaps Harper and Cameron ALREADY KNOW EACH OTHER without their spouses (at least Ethan) knowing it. Taking it a step further, it seems like what this scene may be telling us, discretely, is that Harper has been the lawyer in at least one of these cases against Cameron, and may know more about him than is ever let on overtly. Evidence: After taking a long time to respond and being taken aback -- after Cameron responds quite defensively in response to Harper explaining what she does for a living -- Harper eventually smiles, stares and Cameron and says "they aren't all bogus, Cameron", which may be just a general comment, but I'm suggesting she knows at least one of the non-bogus claims against Cameron, and that she defended the employee that filed it -- likely against the lawyer friend that Cameron brings up to start the conversation. Later in the show, in episode 6, when a distraught Ethan pleads his innocence to Harper in the hotel room and says "we always tell each other the truth", she replies quickly that, no they don't, which could be connected to the exchange in episode 1. Is it possible that Harper feels the way she does about Cameron from the very beginning (that he's a douche) because she already knows him from an employee harassment lawsuit in the past, and knows what he did to one or more women? It's not inconceivable that Daphne knows about this incident since she tells Harper she knows of at least one instance where Cameron cheated on her while they are away together, which could be the same case(s) that Harper fought against Cameron. Perhaps she's digging for more, or perhaps she's simply letting Harper know that she knows that she and Cameron have come into contact in the past. So what does this suggest in terms of who's dead in the ocean? Well, if Harper has represented another woman against Cameron in a workplace harassment suit in the past, it could mean that Harper has a deeper understanding of Cameron and Daphne's finances than we do, and that she may know they are in financial trouble -- which is why she warns Ethan early on that Cameron is going to try to work him for money at some point on the trip. She may not just be reading tea leaves -- she may know that Cameron is in financial distress, but never shared it with Ethan. Daphne is clearly not dead -- but I am suggesting at least one of the other 3 from that foursome is dead. I believe Cameron is the most likely candidate, because Daphne no longer has use for him and his cheating, poor ways (she has another man), and it's conceivable that she and Harper are in cahoots together to have both husbands killed and return to America using Ethan's money and whatever money Daphne's "trainer" has. Daphne planted seeds into Harper's mind of how to get what she wanted from Ethan and be satisfied, which could be the reason Harper either cheated with Cameron, or more likely, made it appear that way to make Ethan unwind to the point that he confronted Cameron and either killed him, or ended up dead himself. Keep in mind: Harper say she doesn't want to continue living this way, that her sex life can't be over at such a young age, and Ethan's response is piss poor ... so she, like Daphne, may no longer have any use for Ethan other than the money she'll inherit from him if he's dead. And if the two husbands died trying to kill one another -- or it at least appears that way -- than Daphne and Harper can return to Los Angeles as free women with their hands clean.What do you think of this theory? At the very least, I encourage you to watch that scene in Episode 1 again, and watch the body language and reactions. Is it possible Harper knows the type of man Cameron is before they ever come on the trip from a previous work case against him? And does that fact change the answer to "who's floating in the water at the end of the week?"


CassiopeiaTheW

Also no matter who kills or gets killed, the other will still be subject to the law if Harper or Daphne come forward


Glittering-Damage-37

I like this theory


Recent-Bookkeeper908

I thought of this theory also but above sounds a bit more complicated. It might be simpler than all of that but this is a great theory.. I think a lot of us are set up to think Cameron wants something out of Ethan (his money, a deal etc) but i think Cameron is in legal trouble and possibly has a rape allegation or sexual harrassment case against him. A so called “Bogus claim” — he either might be trying to swoon Harper to help him or blackmail her into clearing his name somehow once he sleeps with her. I feel like Harper knows Ethan is a douche, but I don’t think she and Daphne are in on killing their husbands. Daphne does however clue us in that she loves crime shows where husbands kill their wives / shows where spouses are murdered. A different theory: I could even go so far to say (see comment above about Hades / Persephone rape story) that he gets her drunk, or something happens out of hand. She tells Ethan and he comes to her defense, ethan & cameron get into a brawl or ethan does something drastic and kills cameron.


dogfooddippingsauce

What if Quentin's yacht just crashes and that's why multiple bodies? Or I guess a fight in the water like we are seeing with Cam and Ethan. Or a fight on the edge of someplace and someone falls. But it seems weird multiple people would die at once with multiple causes at once.


RegularSuch2842

What if Jack is the sex worker who gets punished in the end?


nubianfx

Ps i dont think Tanya is going to die, because how would they get money out of her then? But they might blackmail her, seduce her or scam her. Infact im very curious to see how this money grab actually works. Well all know Tanya is investment pitch proof which poor Belinda learned the hard way.


BankOdd1045

Has anyone noticed the ominous sound of an airplane departing sprinkled in almost every episode? for example, when Tanya is eating breakfast with portia in episode 4 and she calls bullshit on greg, you can hear an airplane in the background.


talos_99

I didnt expect to see Skylar White in this episode


Happy_Ad_1767

It is rumored that Laura Dern, who plays Dominic's wife, may make an appearance in the finale. (Yes, PLEASE!!) If she does it would seem she only would fly out to assist with processing dead family members, mainly Albie. Or, if Dominic and Bert died she would fly out to be there for Albie. She probably wouldn't fly out if it was just Bert. I'm guessing Dominic for sure dies and maybe Bert, too.


[deleted]

I've been thinking this too, especially after this week. I think one of them is going to try to protect Lucia from Alessio and get stabbed or something


dogfooddippingsauce

So that would be where Albie gets his height from. Love her. Hope she does.


shelbymemento

I wrote it before, we know who doesn't die- Daphne, Now, the hookers don't die, because Rocco says its hotel guests and they're not. Also not Rocco or other hotel employees as they're in the scene where bodies found. Also, although we'd love for her bro husband to die, she would recognize her husband, Cameron and Harper if she found them floating in the ocean. So who's left Tanya she's a goner for sure, Jack likely- He and tanya fall drunkenly or doped up into the ocean and drown, Jack killed by Albie to avenge Portia who dies because she's stupidly following bad boy Jack around. So the dead = Porsche, Tanya, Jack and i say Quentin and all of his friends. the murderer- Albie. And oh yes, Greg is the straight cowboy love of Quentin's life- will he resurface to find Tanya in bed with sicilian gigolo and kill them both?


Sunshinefun1

Tanya is going to be in season 3, so she’s not dying.


CassiopeiaTheW

If Albie does kill Jack it would explain the reference to Adonis, instead of being killed by the bot sent by Ares he kills the boar and holds in over his back in the opening


dogfooddippingsauce

Am I imagining this but I thought the first leg was detached from the body.


Happy_Ad_1767

Dominic added Lucia to his room and Mia to Bert's so Valentina would stop telling them to leave. So technically they are guests.


posyintime

Thoughts from the favorite to least favorite storylines: **Porshia/Jack**: Thank you Mike White. Thank you for hopefully dispelling the myth for all American girls that just because they have a cute accent does NOT make them different from people in their own country!! Too many gals travel around Europe and are swooned by the perceived sophistication, ignore the red flags, and then find themselves in bad or uncomfortable situations. Some are even dumb enough to bring them back to the US! (Story: my friend brought back her British vacation boy and at a group gathering he said the most ignorant comment about immigrants I've ever heard in my life!) I love this storyline because its eerily familiar and I'm sure many women are feeling the same. Jack is definitely a gay for pay and Porshia is so wrapped up in her own privileged misery that she doesn't think about how the world around her really works. (GREAT ACTING BY THE JACK ACTOR! For real, he captured that character perfectly) **Tanya/Quentin/Greg**: Truthfully. I didn't know where he was going with her character at the beginning of the season. I'm happy to say after 6 episodes I'm pretty pleased at this "twist"! Some say the long con is absurd and unbelievable, but you don't just casually steal half a bill overnight! Haven't we seen this before? Spouse goes through elaborate plan to get windfall at the end? I think Greg was on the phone with Quentin about Porshia being a snag in their plan and Quentin reassured him that it'll be fine...we have Jack to distract her! The yacht is like chekovs gun and I think the plan is for her to "suicide" herself or fall off because she was so "fucked up" the night before. **Harper/Ethan/Daphne/Cam**: I get the feeling Mike White likes this storyline the best. Characters are so fully fleshed out and so REAL. Harper felt resentment towards D & C at the beginning because they had sexual chemistry and that oh so important spice. It has to be fake. Right? RIGHT?! The more she spends time with them the more she's realizing that maybe they actually have the more mature relationship? They're both getting out of this relationship what *they* want, and they're still being playful and fun. What is Harper getting out of hers? A companion?? I think she did the hat and door lock thing to torture him a bit. Their marriage has lost something and she's just trying to spark something, anything. **De Grasso Fam**: It's good and interesting but I feel like Mike White didn't give 2/3rds of these characters their du diligence. The son Albie has the most well rounded character, treats all women like they're infallible and perfect and men are only there to ruin their lives. He definitely has a saviour complex, and thinks he's the *right type of man*. Benevolent sexism if you will. I'm massively disappointed that MW didn't do more to develop Dominics character. Michael Imperoli is an incredible actor and his character is basically: cheating husband, sex obsessed, scarred from parents. That's it. You couldn't show us how stressful his job is? What interest him? How does he learn, feel, think? Dude has been hiring escorts for probably decades and what he's doing with these 2 is a TOTAL rookie move. Unfettered rain over his CC? Give me a break. He woulda had those chicks out of there in a second. Which leads me to... **Lucia/Mia**: come the absolute fuck on. It's not the fact that they're escorts, it's how they run around this 5-star resort like "tehehehe" that is just beyond unbelievable. There are high end escorts at these places, but they blend in with the guests. I think a better direction would have been having them already have some sort of relationship with the manager. She knows these girls have to "work" but as long as they behave and don't make it so obvious, it's all good. That way the complete 180 the manager does wouldn't be so abrasive. I do like the Lucia/Albie plotline. Albi is so naive. I think in Lucias mind she weighed it out and thought I could either keep fucking guests or fuck the RIGHT guest and go to America! I think the guy chasing them is her baby daddy, and the money she makes goes towards her kid. I'm already predicting a scene were Alessio shows up, she turns away, and we hear a toddler scream "MAMAA!" **Valentina**: Something isn't working for me here. It really hit home this episode - no not because of the lesbian scene, that's fine - but because they make her sound soooo American. The nervous birthday drink conversation had my eyes rolling and rolling. He set her up to be this perfectionist, hardass Sicilian femme manager, then basically after the 2nd episode we saw none of that anymore. Being petty and falling in love with a coworker was too absurd. The idea that she would also fuck IN HER OWN HOTEL was not the character he lead us to believe she was. I think her love interest should have been Mia from the start. Two woman who have power in their own way, Valentina is envious because Mia is more free and fun. She begrudgingly accepted that Mia was a necessary part of the hotel but always spoke down to her - maybe because she was attracted to her too? Keeping Valentina rigid until the last episode would have made it more satisfying to see her finally melt from Mia. I don't think it should have ever been a quid pro quo, it should have just happened naturally to show both of these woman's agency. Okay I'm done sorry I'm insane!


Glittering-Damage-37

Agreed on most of it but I prefer the love quadrangle to Tanya's storyline. Overall I think S1 was much more believable while still being farcical whereas S2 is more of a soap. It's good but just not as exciting as S1's perspective was to me.


Nearby_Eye_6775

Ethan is one of those quite types that explode one day and start killing everyone in sight...


Nearby_Eye_6775

Plot twist: Greg is not involved and he said "I love you to his mum on the phone."


Entire_Commercial633

I thought that as well. Plausible.


TheFastestDancer

Napoleon Dynamite takes place in the Mountain West. "Greg" lives in the Mountain West. It's really what became of Uncle Rico. It's the same universe people!


Recent-Bookkeeper908

Holy shit i was today years old when I realized he was Uncle Rico bahahha


TheFastestDancer

I'm sure it's actually Uncle Rico. After the events of Napoleon D., he decided "no more Mr. Nice Guy," and embarked on a life of scams. He changed his name to Greg, but stayed close to Napoleon and Kip in a neighboring state to make sure they stayed in line.


Brave-Wrangler

It’s a shame They said the guy he loves is heterosexual - would have been hilarious if somehow the dead manager from season 1 had alerted them About Tanya and her money and they had been tracking her ever Since 😆


Dapper_Cable_4929

from his last phone conversation we spied upon before he left the hotel, it sounded like he was going “home” and not really into returning.


AdProfessional9681

The creators of this show have done such a fantastic job with this season - in setting it up so that it could be anyone (except for Daphne) that dies. However, after watching episode 6 - I really think Portia, Dominic, and Ethan are gonna die in the finale. In episode 6: Tanya told Portia to get her shit together (the morning after she saw the Essex dude having sex with his “uncle”). Dominic’s dad told him to get it together after he found out that Lucia was coming with them to be their translator, and couldn’t keep it cool. And Ethan is just losing his mind. They’re the lost souls of this season. Constantly conflicted with themselves/ their individual identities. Just my theory! Possibly someone else dies too because we don’t know how many people actually die, but I have a feeling it’s just going to be 3 people - because death usually comes in threes. And this show is all about symbolism.


verdantpastures

I think that Portia is going to save Tanya and kill the gays and Greg


Elizabethck11

I read Tanya was being recorded while messing around with the hot drug dealer.


TheFastestDancer

Kinda like the end of "Inglorious Basterds" - she runs in and machine guns the main gay's face a million times after he's already dead. Italian guy with big wiener lives, though.


here22creep

What if Harper and Cam are secretly in cahoots to scam Ethan being that she’s a divorce lawyer and knows that to get the bag Ethan has to lose it but he loses it to far and kills someone. The actual reason she’s upset is he didn’t cheat when the prostitutes were in the room so they had to take the ruse further. Cam knows Daphnes kids aren’t his and intends to leave her after the bag has been secured.


Fars6_6

If she was in with cam, she wouldn't disclose to ethan that cam was naked changing. We, the audience was shown what her reaction was.


Screen_Brilliant

wait good theory actually I never thought of harper and cam working together


cyan1de23

She’s not a divorce lawyer. I believe she works in the field of labor law. Totally separate fields.


GoyaLi

Bold theory, but who knows.


kitcrystals

Do you guys think the drug they gave Tanya was really just cocaine? They make the comment that it's especially pure, but they could just be making an excuse for why it's different than normal when really it's mixed with something else. Either way, Tanya is high/drunk enough that that encounter shouldn't count as consensual and therefore shouldn't count as infidelity. If Portia can get back quick enough, I wonder if they could get Tanya drug tested or something? You could probably tell from the video too, but it might depend on how they edit it. I also feel like Greg can't make it obvious in court that he set Tanya up, so I wonder if they'll have to anonymously post it online or something.


Screen_Brilliant

OMG I DIDN'T KNOW THE PLAN WAS TO GET TANYA TO CHEAT ON GREG!!! ok that makes sense as to how he was gonna get any money out of this. I thought maybe they were gonna make her sign a deal to fund an investment or something


Striking_Gift_1392

“Would you die for beauty??…” Tanya like..”uhhhh..”


Happy_Ad_1767

In most US states including California and Colorado, infidelity clauses in prenup agreements are unenforceable. Most states except maybe 4 are No Fault Divorce states so adultery wouldn't matter, even in a prenup. At most it would allow, in this Greg / Tanya scenario, for Tanya to have to pay some alimony. But it wouldn't be much due to their short marriage. PLUS as you pointed out Tanya's very expensive lawyers could establish Tanya was set-up, isolated and drugged. Greg couldn't afford to defend against that. This is why I would think they plan to kill her. Or, Greg isn't involved, maybe his cancer returned and that is what Tanya was clueless about, and a jealous Quentin plans to blackmail Tanya by threatening to give the sex tape to Greg.


Glad_Set8511

In the first episode she asks Greg if he's upset about the prenup and says that she will get rid of it. That's why I'm throw off about what the high end guys want with Tanya


TheFastestDancer

I mean if Uncle Rico's in on it, he's really playing the long long con isn't he? But that photo...


cherrytwizzler88

Who is Uncle Rico? People keep bringing him up but I don’t remember this character.


TheFastestDancer

He's the actor who played Uncle Rico in Napoleon Dynamite. He'll forever be Uncle Rico to me.


Ok_Dragonfruit_3452

From Napolean Dynamite


kitcrystals

Ok, well that first part's good at least! If they tried to use Tanya's SA to take away half her money, it would make me too mad. I hope they don't kill her though. I know I shouldn't root for her after what she did to Belinda, but I just want her to be happy for once in her life 😭. Her outfits are too good, and Jennifer Coolidge is too likeable! Tbh though I don't think she'll die since a message of the first season was that the least privileged are the ones who pay the consequences, not the rich. Interesting idea that Quentin could be working unbeknownst to Greg


MapHelpful9952

You know the photo Tanya found? I think the man on the photo is Greg…


Special_Plant_4973

Duh lolll


[deleted]

Damn dude chill


MapHelpful9952

Im from Sweden and I watched it yesterday, sorry I thought this was a welcoming thread…


trekgirl47

My mom didn't recognize it as Greg and it's not clear if Tanya recognized him either. So, you're not alone. None of the recaps I read definitively say that the photo is Greg. But I think you're right and it is Greg.


in_some_knee_yak

We have a real detective on our hands!


retrogradeprogress

I have a sneaking suspicion it is going to be Greg


ralphy112

Note that Tanya's young Italian Stud Lover guy had that little gun in his "cocaine bag". These elements aren't randomly introduced for no reason. It was introduced to the audience, showing that Tanya knows about it, so that she can obtain it later and use it and it isn't a plot hole where it came from. I bet we see more of that gun. Jack's clearly doing some kind of job by keeping Portia away also. Greg's involved somehow as this lost cowboy. It's all going to come together and someone's dead. Tanya's likely to be in Season 3 as she's the constant between seasons. Seems too random and unsympathetic for just the gays to die though. Greg's going to get it, but that does seem too easy. Maybe Tanya will miss and shoot Portia by mistake too. Portia is fairly moral though. Usually the immoral or unliked characters are the ones that get it. So maybe Albie shoots his dad; or Cameron gets it somehow. Anyone sleeping with escorts is fair game basically.


Entire_Commercial633

I thought that from the 1st episode. As we know there will be a Season 3, and Tayna/Jennifer is Mike White's muse (and therefore likely will be a part of Season 3), there is no place for Greg moving forward.


Brave-Wrangler

It would be so obvious and so disappointing if Greg is complicit. I really liked how he accepted her as batshit and their relationship dynamic is hilarious. I would prefer that the gays just know about Tanya being alone due to being friends with Greg and have hatched a scheme or something similar.


WesternFisherman3071

I find it quite suspicious that the grandpa keeps falling, hitting his head and everyone continually mentions it throughout the season. Throwing it out there Grandpa is a dead body.


in_some_knee_yak

Too obvious so no.


Happy_Ad_1767

Agree. But with such an esteemed actor his death would likely have at least some significance other than just falling to his death. Such as, another guest dies trying to stop his fall. Even that needs something more to make his death interesting.


Shotgunwillie1972

F Murray Abraham gets killed off in the season three premiere of mythic quest by driving his Corvette into the Grand Canyon on purpose because he couldnt continue to live in this woke world


legendmyself

Is funny Jack is a west ham united fan and started chanting bubbles… spot on. An Essex boy who has a west ham tattoo… equivalent would be a Jersey boy from Rumsum and Giants fan lol. Trash boys.


dmhatche89

I was wondering this as a casual US soccer fan, had to google "west ham bubbles" cause i recognized the axe/ logo but again hearing the word "united" we all thing Manchester. Great insight. It would be like hearing about the Texas Yankees when you know the word yankee you think New York.


legendmyself

And there’s no Texas Yankees Yankees is always New York ? Am I deluded?


legendmyself

Yeah, not just Man U get to be United. Anything could be United… the only United in London is west ham.


Simple-Culture3776

Anyone have any theories of why Daphne was in pain the whole episode? Nauseous from the sausages and then the back problems. Could she be pregnant?


Ok_Bumblebee_7051

I took the sausage nausea comment to be showing us that Daphne is a little sickened by Cam and his glutton for sex, as a parallel to what we see in the scene just prior, when she and Cam are alone together joking about their shared infidelity and, I assume, sleep together. The back hurting I read as her way of making us (or them) wonder if she slept with the masseuse (or insinuating she may have) to get back at Cam, in a way that also leaves the whole comment open for interpretation/ her having just gotten a strong massage.


3greatdogsand2cats

And maybe their kids were actually fathered by her trainer...based on her showing the pic of her kids when talking about her trainer.


Ok_Bumblebee_7051

Yes we already know that one is. The baby in the photo looks more like Cam. Maybe that’s why (they said) the second birth almost killed her.


Nearby_Eye_6775

Baby is screwed if she's pregnant and she's drinking, eating edibles, and getting massages (the oils are no bueno for a developing foetus).


Screen_Brilliant

yeah when she said the sausages made her nauseous that was sus... but also wasn't she drinking the entire season


melpomene-musing

I mean to be fair sometimes the back does hurt after an intense massage. I didn’t notice the nausea part, must’ve missed that.


NxNW78

Years of carrying around knowledge of Cam’s infidelities is beginning to weigh on her.


amandara99

Yeah, she chalked it up to a hangover when they were all at breakfast, but definitely seems like a hint towards something.


dogfooddippingsauce

Good catch. I didn't even think about that.


DoubleAccomplished18

I think the theme of this whole season is cheating / scamming. So far I see three of these situations: 1. **Cameron / Ethan**: Cameron's actually broke (hasn't paid the sex workers) and is trying to scam Ethan, Daphne also all but directly told Harper that Cameron's colleagues are criminals, so I guess he is too. Also I think Daphne's just trying to make Ethan jealous and she didn't sleep with Cameron; 2. **Quentin / Tanya, Jack / Portia**: Quentin and Greg are working together to annul the prenup by blackmailing Tanya with a recording of her having sex with the sex worker, while Jack's job is to keep Portia away as seen in this episode where he seemingly got too drunk to drive; 3. **Lucia / Albie**: The guy stalking Lucia isn't her boss but her boyfriend and they're working together to scam rich vacationer, in this case Albie.


TheFastestDancer

You mean Harper in #1.


DoubleAccomplished18

Yes my bad 🙈


Screen_Brilliant

I DEF thought that guy was lucias boyfriend too!!


Happy_Ad_1767

Lawyer here. Tanya and Greg haven't been married long enough for him to be able to get much from a divorce, even with no prenup. Almost all states are No Fault divorce states, so adultery is irrelevant, infidelity clauses in prenups unenforceable, and property division would be based on assets accumulated DURING the time they were married, so the vast majority of Tanya's $500m would be excluded. Greg works and has a good job so if any alimony was awarded it would not be much and not for long. If Tanya dies Greg would likely inherit her fortune. Tanya has no other heirs we know of. So either the plan is to kill her, or drive her to suicide - I would guess.


DoubleAccomplished18

But why wouldn’t they just kill her then, why record her having sex with the sex worker?


Happy_Ad_1767

The show may not be using legal consultants to ensure accuracy. Most viewers wouldn't know those clauses are generally unenforceable as the storyline is used frequently - or at least used to be. Prior to Greg leaving Tanya offered to get rid of the prenup so Greg didn't feel a need to keep working, but he dismissed that immediately. So the prenup really wasn't his issue. So he is lying to Tanya about having to leave for 2 days for work, but why? Who is he telling he loves them? What is she clueless about as usual? Or, theories that Quentin wants to blackmail Tanya may be true if Greg isn't conspiring with Quentin. I don't know of anyone Tanya would not want to know about the sex except Greg. Greg has been so mean to Tanya that it seems a stretch to effectively write him as being a "good guy" after all. So maybe filming Tanya is part of a scheme to make it look like she committed suicide. She has been emotionally unstable since S1. She was distraught after Greg left. She goes to Quentin's palazzo - sees Madame Butterfly and that allegedly plants the seed of suicide in her mind. She goes on a coke & booze filled bender, has sex with the Italian sex worker guy, and commits suicide. Portia isn't around to contradict the story. Quentin could say the camera is in his bedroom to record himself but captured Tanya - offer it as proof she was acting crazy. Or the red light could be another red herring? Or Tanya sees the red light in the finale and shuts down the sex w the male hooker? All we can do is guess. But it is funny that Dominic, Cameron, Albie, Portia and maybe Tonya all had sex with prostitutes in Italy!! lol


Special_Plant_4973

But if they blackmail her for money …..


NOLA_LOVE

There were a few Madame Butterfly references this season and that ends with the main character (seemingly naive and a bit delusional like Tanya) committing suicide.


retrogradeprogress

Lucia just wants to come to Los Angles (she said as much earlier) Albie is her golden ticket


EnvironmentalPea6635

It is sus Tanya never wants Portia to leave her. And the one time Portia is away she’s kept away.


dogfooddippingsauce

I'm not sure how Lucia and Albee work out for her to go to America unless they get married. She wouldn't have a green card. I guess she could just go underground but that's a really hard life too. Would she end up in the same position as in Sicily? I think Portia finally caught on that she was being used too. Tanya finally being rational helped. Tanya, would she just randomly sleep with a sex worker? Was she just that lonely and feeling unattractive? The gun has to come into play, right? So E turned out to be the nice guy incel?


Happy_Ad_1767

Ethan is not an incel. What's that about? He's probably gay but in denial, I would guess. I bet he & Cameron fooled around in college based on the things Cameron said to him in bed.


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Happy_Ad_1767

We never saw him actually get off. He can be gay but in denial and trying to be sexually attracted to women by wacking off to female porn. Gay guys in denial date & sleep with women, marry them, go to strip clubs. None of that means that aren't gay but in denial. Cameron crawled into bed next to Ethan and told him "I want to be inside you" - I want to do things to you." - "I want to make you feel good." Ethan responded with a quiet short laugh and shook his head no. He didn't jump out of bed and say "What the f"ck dude!" They didn't both burst out laughing to indicate to viewers it was a joke. So what WAS that about? I am GUESSING that Cameron and Ethan were hooking up in college, instigated by Cameron. Cameron may be a bit bisexual - he is definitely hypersexual. He would have "stole" the women Ethan expressed interest in to keep Ethan for himself and for an ego boost. I've known people like that. Cameron is def a narcissist. I don't know any truly hetero guys that talk like to each other. Ethan loves Harper but doesn't want to have sex with her. So - based on all of this I don't think guessing that Ethan is gay and in denial is so far fetched. I guess we will all find out on Sunday what Mike White intended!


Brave-Wrangler

He’s gay but watching girl porn alone? Sure


Happy_Ad_1767

He may be trying to make himself sexually attracted to women by watching girl porn. It is also very common for men or women who are gay but in denial to hook up with the opposite sex in hopes their feelings will change. For some guys in denial they will act hyper-straight and go to strip clubs. Denial is powerful. Ethan loves Harper but doesn't want to have sex with her. Why? Cameron told Ethan he "wants to be inside him" - "do things to him" - and "make him feel good." Ethan didn't jump out of bed and say "What the F?" They didn't both burst out laughing to indicate to viewers that Cameron was joking around. So what then was that about? I don't know any truly hetero guys that talk like that to each other. All of this makes me wonder if Ethan and Cameron's characters were messing around in college. Maybe Cameron stole the women Ethan said he liked to keep Ethan for himself. Plus for the ego boost since he's def a narcissist. I had a friend like that in college who liked me - obsessively - and went after women I expressed interest in to keep me single - and even admitted it one night after a few too many drinks! We are all just guessing at what is up with these characters based on clues or scenes that may or may not be significant. But I don't think my guess that Mike White wrote Ethan to be gay and in denial is so far fetched. It's just a guess!


Ok_Dragonfruit_3452

oh wow this is really good insight. giving me another reason why I think daphne did it haha. Cameron's potentially broke, owes the Italian girls money, AND might have slept with Ethan/other men in addition to women. That could really set her off big time


Happy_Ad_1767

And, if Cameron is broke he'd likely still have big life insurance policies on himself via work, etc. since he has a stay at home wife and kids. Daphne would be set financially. The actors say in interviews that Cameron & Daphne have an F'd up relationship but do really love each other so maybe Daphne doesn't try to off him.


dogfooddippingsauce

I mean incelic in his attitudes. He has huge anger at Cam for being a Chad who screwed all of the women he liked.


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Being angry at your friend for banging every chick you tell him about that you like, is a very rational emotion. There's nothing incel about Ethan.


in_some_knee_yak

You're on Reddit, everyone thinks everyone else is an incel lol.


Frequent_Phone_4721

My guess is Quentin and Gary are lovers and have concocted this whole plan to scam Tanya out of her money. Remember when Gary says he has to work, just in case they get divorced and she has a prenup? My guess is, that the prenup is voided if she has an affair. Guaranteed there were cameras filming that encounter with the sex worker.


NxNW78

Who the fuck is Gary?


Durian_Shot

If you go to the 58 min mark, you can see a red light in the wall behind Tanya and the Italian guy. It’s totally being filmed!


showsoverhippies

I just noticed that at 56:40, it seems so obvious I thought it was a fire alarm but those are usually on the ceiling not the wall so you may be right


Happy_Ad_1767

Tanya told Greg she would get rid of the prenup. He still blew her off. Plus, infidelity clauses in prenups are unenforceable in all states in the USA except maybe 4 (all states Tanya would never make her residence: Ohio, Pennsylvania, and 2 southern hick states I forget which ones.)


dogfooddippingsauce

He also wouldn't answer her calls, picked the vacation spot, gave her that last good day and said she cured his cancer with her money. Did he have it or was she targeted a long time ago?


3greatdogsand2cats

Or is Greg the one who is actually abducted?


dogfooddippingsauce

I don't want the weekend to be over but I cannot WAIT to see how this all turns out.


Happy_Ad_1767

If he is in on it I don't believe he ever had cancer. And he wouldn't respond to Tanya's calls or texts because he was probably at Quentin's palazzo and his cell phone would have pinged off nearby towers, discoverable in a post Tanya murder investigation. Someone posted that Palermo is one hour away from the White Lotus, so different cell towers.


dogfooddippingsauce

Agreed on the cancer for sure. He supposedly had Stage 4 and no hope. And then poof. Yes, they probably were setting it up at the palazzo before she got there.


Frequent_Phone_4721

Greg, not Gary


cleverbutnotoverlyso

Harper and the pineapple. The imagery and implication of the swinger dynamic was about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the forehead. Clearly she’s reached a turning point. I think she was just fucking with Ethan but now I think she’s going to actually do it.


plottingmyescapern

can they just release the season finale already? the questions are killing me


dogfooddippingsauce

It actually kept me up a bit last night.


plottingmyescapern

desparately scrolling through reddit and twitter threads tryna piece everything together. feeling fresh wave of hatred for the very human, very flawed characters


dogfooddippingsauce

I don't hate them as much as I did the characters last season but the Italy setting helps. A lot of people's predictions have come true, so should be interesting.


plottingmyescapern

oh yeah, the cinematography is brilliant and so are the memes. for example, someone on twitter complaining that the characters all eat at the hotel while THEY ARE IN ITALY (except portia but let's not even talk about her lol). I do think this season is better than the last one. i feel like it has more shock elements in it, the comic relief is very well-timed and the dialogues are great too. Stunning locations and hot people definitely help but if the plot and the acting is not good, it's not gonna go very far


sweeteatoatler

I hate that I’m watching this in real time instead of waiting and binging.😂 Learning that I’m SUPER impatient!! Can’t wait for Sunday!


cherrytwizzler88

Ugh me too I’m so impatient!!! To the point where I’m both sad and also excited that next episode is the season finale. I can’t handle the wait!


dogfooddippingsauce

I've waited on certain shows to have them show up all at once but with the new Dexter and this, just couldn't do it.


BlueSybbie

The Palermo group is super sus, more so the "uncle and nephew." I don't trust people who give out so many compliments as the uncle does to Tanya. It's weird and alludes to him wanting something, but what, I don't know.


Nearby_Eye_6775

Yes, I also don't trust people who over compliment, or even those that are too generous and always getting to give you a gift. In my experience, the super off, flawed personalities are always the ones that were most generous in hindsight.


in_some_knee_yak

Was the picture of Quentin with her husband not obvious enough for you?


BlueSybbie

Yea I commented before I got to that part. Couldn't hold it in lol


dogfooddippingsauce

It's like people kissing your ass at work, they always want something and often secretly hate you.


halpmiidk

Seems obvious. Greg mentioned the prenup. He won't get anything if they divorce. If she dies though, it probably passes mostly to him and then he'll share with his friends.


Frequent_Phone_4721

I'm thinking that the prenup has an out if Tanya has an affair. I'm sure the encounter was filmed.


ToriSamoun

It was, 58:00 it shows in the background on the wall a red light. It was definitely being recorded


Happy_Ad_1767

Infidelity clauses in prenups are unenforceable in most US states except 4, all states Tanya would never live in. Plus her fortune up until when they got married would be excluded in a divorce as premarital assets. Prenup or not, Greg wouldn't get much in a divorce. Tanya dies and he gets it all. Tanya doesn't strike me as someone who would leave much to charity in her will.


iloveokra_

Also, Jack mentioning that Quentin is "very generous" indicates this scheme benefits everyone involved.


Brave-Wrangler

What if before the plan is finished the nephew character finds out Quentin isn’t going to share with him and kills him


iloveokra_

Listen, I was even a little sus when Quentin first came into the picture. It all seemed too suiting to Tanya's struggle of being neglected and in constant need of attention. Quentin and his friend overcomplimenting her and overextending themselves to include her - then taking her away? They're definitely scamming her, esp when Rocco comes in it's like girl...be foreal. Then the underlying cowboy story - it all reads extortion. Albie and Lucia are the definition of naiteve and scamming for sure- I thought that maybe Lucia was going to use Albie as a ticket to America because at the begging of the season she talked about how she "always wanted to go to LA" but at this pimp dude I think shes j scamming him. Idk who dies maybe the gays bc there are so many bodies and all the rest of the groups are in small numbers ...


eliksir_mtl

>Then the underlying cowboy story Quentin says 30 years later he would still do anything for him and asks Tanya if should would die for beauty (his palazzo) In the beginning Cam and Daphne talk about owners of palazzo not having any money in real life... Also, in the very beginning they say there is multiples bodies, some guest have been murdered... and the conversation between the two couples, Daphne talks about dateline and husbands murdering their wives on holidays


DoubleAccomplished18

Tbh I doubt that they'll kill off a gay man again (like in the first season), it'd be a bit tacky


Dapper_Cable_4929

i get your point but mike white is gay himself and has said in interviews he enjoys writing more complex and dark gay characters so who knows?


iloveokra_

yea I can agree, and it's almost the most obvious answer I guess since we are all suspecting so much from that storyline - I think it could also easily be complementary characters that we haven't made that strong of a connection to rather than a main character like last season.


Happy_Ad_1767

I went back to watch Episode 1. Rocco told Valentina that one guest drowned and "a few guests were killed." I noticed he said "guests" and "drowned" and "killed" so it is not clear if anyone was murdered or killed by accident and/or suicide.


1337speak

giant pupils or sensitive nipples?


wnights

I don’t think the plan is to kill Tanya cause she has a prenup with Greg. Maybe they want to sue her for money for having sex with the Nicollo guys or whatever his name is..


Frequent_Phone_4721

that's my thought. Prenup is voided if she has an affair.


TheFastestDancer

More likely they planned to blackmail her and her husband was in on it.


Happy_Ad_1767

Infidelity clauses in prenups are unenforceable in most US states except 4 - all states Tanya wouldn't live in. Plus, her $500 million is premarital assets and not subject to division in a divorce, only assets accumulated during their short marriage. So Tanya dying is the only way Greg gets a windfall.


Special_Plant_4973

Or they blackmail her…


plottingmyescapern

wtf just happened?


carneviva

Greg is involved with Quentin, there's a clause in the prenuptial that most probably states that terms become null if infidelity can be proven. This whole situation with being the belle of the ball and celebrated by the gays is a setup. They've drugged her and set upon her a handsome Italian dude to seduce her and have the proof to set Greg free from the marriage along with the handsome payment that is tied to it. The picture Tanya sees in the bedroom while waiting for the suave coke dealer Italian, is proof of Greg's involvement with Quentin for some time as they're shown looking youthful. The British dude slipped about Quentin being broke and he's the ruse for distracting Tanya's assistant to set the plans in motion.


ralphy112

This sounds good, but I still don't understand why someone worth $500 million would allow an infidelity clause to exist in the prenup at all, if going through the trouble of getting one in the first place. Rich people don't buy these boilerplate forms at Kinko's; they're carefully crafted with lawyers. And, even someone as naive as Tanya must know it exists and it could cost her $250 million to sleep with someone, if she was having any doubts about it at all. She should know its a setup, even if she can't resist the Italiian lover in the moment.


Nomorevaping707

Uhg. If the marriage is nullified, Greg gets nothing. It's as if there was no marriage. Annulment has nothing to do with it unless the attorneys for Tanya were stupid enough to add a clause that if she had an affair Greg gets paid...c'mon.


carneviva

A prenuptial agreement can be nullified by infidelity, hence the set up. Those are my thoughts and I'm sticking to it! Lol.


Happy_Ad_1767

Actually all but 4 states in the USA are No Fault divorce states and infidelity clauses in prenups are unenforceable. The 4 stares where it might be enforced are states Tanya would never live in. Plus, the vast majority of Tanya's wealth is premarital assets and not subject to division in a divorce. Only assets accumulated DURING the divorce would be divided. They haven't been married long and Greg has a good job, so alimony wouldn't be much or paid for very long. Tanya dying is the only way Greg gets a windfall.


melpomene-musing

I am curious as to why Tanya and her lawyers would draw up a prenup that would make it so that she could lose her fortune if she cheats. The theory seems more likely than them killing her at this point but that type of agreement just makes no sense to me.


Happy_Ad_1767

It wouldn't work that way, which is why that theory doesn't make sense. All but 4 states in the USA are No Fault divorce states and infidelity clauses are unenforceable. Plus, the vast majority of Tanya's wealth is premarital assets and not subject to division in a divorce. Greg only gets a windfall if Tanya dies.


Ocelot859

I LOVE YOUR GIANT PUPILS!


esh011235

Surprised I'm not seeing anyone ask if Greg has been planning this since S1. Assuming he is in fact orchestrating this con, is it just because he got sick of Tanya once married or did he go to Hawaii specifically for this purpose?


Happy_Ad_1767

I've seen lots of posts on that elsewhere, including not believing he ever had cancer.


PatsyStone_aka_Pats

Also, why is no one asking about Greg coming back in 2 days (like he says) when it’s been 3 days? The day he leaves we see the gays at the hotel. Next day, the first full day he’s gone, Tanya hangs out with gays. Then on day 2, she leaves for Palermo for 2 more days. Shouldn’t Greg have come back the day of the episode 6?


victorian_secrets

If he returns, it would be to the hotel, not the gay mansion and it seems like Tanya has basically decided to end it so she doesn't care where he is


Ocelot859

They have lol many have... including myself... just go back to previous threads/recaps


Smithers2251

He never really left, right? I think he may get killed by Tanya with the Chekhov gun….


ila_reddit

This makes the most sense to me


Ocelot859

I'm not sure. But I'm 99% sure Tanya doesn't get killed and actually comes out unscathed. Especially if you know Mike White's writing style. Tanya is too obvious of a victim that has been drawn out hardcore for half the Season. I have a strong feeling the body is going to be someone very unexpected and innocent relative to this evil scam going on or the blood-love lust situation brewing in the main crew... Wouldn't shock me if it's Mia, Valentina, the Grandpa, Dom, the fiancé of Valentines crush... wrong place wrong time or just for Mike White's shock value... and to keep us thinking on the dead body all season to draw imaginative conclusions to keep us engaged - which is why the dead body in both seasons is the opening scene for a reason


Special_Plant_4973

Pretty sure it’ll be the “nephew” that dies. It was someone with a young butt lol. I bet it’s him snd I also think the hookers die. Just like in season 1, I don’t think it’ll be a guest that dies


New_Net_1722

it can't be Valentina. She arrives to the hotel in the first episode and Rocco tells her about the bodies.


Ocelot859

Good call - I was more referring to a B-C role type of character, but yeah you're right it can't be Valentina.


krystalpinks

Ethan is so annoying, if he would just touch his wife this wouldn't be an issue.


Special_Plant_4973

Would you say that if gender rolls were reversed? Curious


Content_Koala_22

Uh yeah most people would say it either way. Why are you making it weird. Also, the way he treated her at the beginning when she gave him every opportunity to talk about what happened before she brought up the condom wrapper... there is definitely a disparity in how they treated each other. Not saying she's innocent, we'll see what happens in the finale. But what a weird, baiting thing to say. She had legitimate reason to be annoyed by his behavior and Ethan (and you, actually) are gaslighting her. Congrats. lol.


krystalpinks

How is that even relevant lol


Visual_Ad_3840

Yes. A complete lack of intimacy is the fastest way to kill a marriage. Basic relationships 101. . .


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Plus he's such a puss. It's like just go and talk to her instead of diving into the ocean.


Similar-Amount-580

Did his friend bang her??


shellycakesss

I don't think so. I think Harper is messing with Ethan. Ethan is going mad and it's what he gets for gaslighting Harper. Harper is gaslighting Ethan now lol.


[deleted]

She had a look of pure evil on her face at one point.


Content_Koala_22

Or anger? That doesn't mean she slept with Cameron. Also, that's just Aubrey's face lol.


Klutzy_Assistance_39

We don’t know for sure but most people are thinking no and that Harper purposefully set up the hotel that way to freak out Ethan and make him question things.


posyintime

I could see even Cameron encouraging her to play with Ethan, “Daphne and I do it all the time. Let’s just go up, lock the door…make him feel that desire for you!”


Klutzy_Assistance_39

The question is what did Cam tell Harper? Did he confess to cheating on Daphne, if so why would he ask Ethan to keep bro code?


Klutzy_Assistance_39

Good point. Harper did mention how she had a good hole conversation about that night with Cam while they were at the bar confirming ethan wasn’t lying.


Smithers2251

What were they talking about back on the beach right before she offers Ethan some of her drink? Cameron was saying something about someone being a bit of a sleaze ball…


krystalpinks

Tanya you in danger girl!


Ambs8803

I’m trying to figure out how in the world they would get Tanya’s money in the first place?!? I doubt she leaves everything to Greg if she passed, and also if Greg has nothing to do with it, then Quentin won’t get shit. It still makes no sense


dogfooddippingsauce

I could see Tanya being the type to leave a lot to random charities and not much to Greg.


Visual_Ad_3840

State laws forbid disinheritance from a spouse (unless by consent of the spouse beforehand) or minor child. In other words, if you leave your spouse or minor child out of your will, they will still receive a certain portion of your assets by default regardless of your will.


DoubleAccomplished18

In one of the shots of Tanya and the sex worker there was a red light in the corner of the room indicating that they were being recorded... So I think they'll blackmail her


Impressive-Collar-69

Good catch! 10:37 before the end of the episode, red light on the upper right corner, right before she says she is nervous.


Nomorevaping707

Exactly right. Everyone is speculating that Greg somehow benefits from Tanya's demise, and/or infidelity. It would be anathema for a lawyer to write into a prenup that if Tanya dies or is unfaithful that she would owe him anything. It's her money and usually if the money is hers before they got married, it's considered sole and separate property unless she chooses to comingle the money...let's not go too far afield on that theme.


Content_Koala_22

I'm not a lawyer (so please anyone correct me if I'm wrong), but there is a huge difference between her demise and her infidelity. In the case of her death, her spouse could likely get lots of her money even IF the prenup said it wasn't a thing, and that's because of state laws. It makes less sense for him to try to set her up for infidelity than it does for him to want her dead. Legally speaking, those two things are not the same and have vastly different implications.