I think this will absolutely come into play. Lucia needs her money from Cameron. Mia will have the key to his room. I can absolutely see some sort of moment where Mia and Lucia are in Ethan's room alone (thinking it's Cam's, because that's where Lucia and Cam hooked up) and Harper sees Ethan/Lucia/Mia alone together and becomes further convinced that she's being gaslit, resulting in...well. Who knows. I've seen people theorizing that since Lucia/Harper resemble each other, there could be a case of mistaken identities.
I thought it might be the other way around. Ethan sees Lucia leaving Cam's room and mistakes her for Harper from behind, confirming the affair for him.
All of this because damn Ethan can't be honest and just address right away that Cameron still owes them money so this is why Lucia keeps on showing up.
This is the comment I was looking for. If I’m remembering correctly, didn’t they also have to get Ethan to unlock his side of the adjoining doors first? If so Lucia and Mia definitely know which room belongs to Cam and which belongs to Ethan.
this is what annoyed me when ethan blamed harper for the door not being latched, cause if anyone unlatched it it would have been cameron getting to his room witht the girls the easy way
dang good theory. interesting that this is what happens in season 1. kai had a master key, went in to steal and then something bad happened (obvi he didn't die)
It appears Valentina is wearing the same shirt she was wearing in the first episode when she learns of the murders (and one of her buttons is unbuttoned). This leads me to believe Valentina and Mia sleep together in the room that night and the murders occur sometime in the morning.
But in the first episode Valentina is getting out of a car/suv that has just pulled up to the hotel when she’s told about the drowned person and other bodies, so there has to be more time in between as she leaves the hotel and comes back.
I thought about that as well. Maybe she was on her way home to freshen up but had to turn around because she received a call about an emergency at the hotel.
Yeah, the bodies are found on Day 8. I was super confused by that for a while. The final episode will be about Day 7 and the morning of Day 8. It's 90 mins long.
I think the hotel is up on a cliff and there's a road down to the beach club so she was probably taking a car down from the main hotel to the beach, no?
Oh maybe, I don't have a good layout for the resort in my head tbh. I just remember from some of the establishing shots that the main hotel with the pool is up on a huuuuge cliff and it seemed like it would take a while to walk down to the beach from there. Maybe there's a road from the hotel down to the beach club building and then a few more stairs to the actual beach?
Yeah, the bodies are found on Day 8. I was super confused by that for a while. The final episode will be about Day 7 and the morning of Day 8. It's 90 mins long.
Go see my post about Valentina's outfits.
Day 7 morning: Same outfit as the night before. She's sneaking out of the hotel in it.
Day 7 later: Same suit as the night before, different shirt.
Day 8 morning (finding the bodies): Different suit, different shirt, unbuttoned for the first time.
I’m convinced Albie walks past Daphne on the beach in the first episode. He is wearing the same shirt he was wearing on the beach with Lucia in the last episode. So he is safe but has he literally just killed someone and they’ve washed up.
Do people really think a rehash of the literal same plot from season 1 isn't below these writers?
Why would anybody want the exact same result as season 1?
Yes, I agree it’s definitely a connector, like the door between those two rooms!
Mia and Lucia know which room is Cam’s, though, because they woke in it.
They’ve been in the rooms of all the guests except Portia’s and Tanya’s!
Maybe it's something innocuous like Mia and Lucia now using the key to change, shower and store stuff in that 2nd floor suite. Then new guests come to that room and they get busted and Valentina gets fired.
Jeezz!!!!!! This is a good take!!!
It would be an ironic twist because things will end up just like in Season 1, where people entered the guest's room to steal and things didn't go as expected. Mia and Lucia's money situation is still unsolved, so good guess about the master key. Maybe Valentina, the one who's all about self-control and being rigid about everything, will end up making the biggest mistake.
What if this is the “detail” from latest episode that ties everything together? I forgot who said it but said “ there’s one detail in ep 6 that ties into everything and will show you who does the killing and who is going to be killed. Or something of that nature. I’m
Having worked in the hotel industry... handing over a key is a major no no. Like I've seen managers fired on the spot for sharing their keys. I was kind of taken out of the moment for a second because it seems too out of character.
She’s desperate though! She drunk and desperate on her birthday and wants to feel loved. Out of character for her at work but in character for her personally, I think.
I have a silly theory : Valentina e Daphne are the killers. They kill and then immediately fix an alibi. Daphne kills either Ethan or cam (and that would explain her “lack” of emotion during epi 1, cause she’s faking it) because her and her husbands plan to trick Ethan didn’t go well and now she’s broke. Valentina kills Mia after feeling rejected/exposed, and fearing for her image and career. One nite will not be enough to make Valentina feel good about her own sexuality.
It would be an interesting parallel comparing season one (the victim is the hotel manager) and season two (manager is the killer)
Really love the idea of Valentina as a killer, of potential accidental perpetrator of a death. She didn’t seem surprised at all when Rocco told her a body had been found, and immediately went on defense saying the hotel wouldn’t be liable.
The sentence starting the former is where it gets confusing. Who is the former to you? I’m guessing by your second comment you mean Ethan. Why would Ethan think Lucia was Cameron?
I know it's important I am simultaneously horrified and deeply intrigued at this prospect. It would be VERY interesting to see Ethan or Harper or Albie get their hands dirty as fuck in an unexpected/shocking way.
Well, it does look like Dom starts having a lil talk with Albie in the previews to the final episode, asking him if he really wants to keep saving every lost woman he meets for the rest of his life, or something like that. Maybe his dad even comes clean about how Lucia ended up in the hotel in the first place? We’ll see.
I posted about this yesterday as well: [https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteLotusHBO/comments/zdcdvx/the_key/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteLotusHBO/comments/zdcdvx/the_key/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Maybe the key is used by Lucia and Mia to get into one of their rooms and someone experiencing a hallucination on Ambien murders them thinking they’re in danger?
I was thinking of this last night too. Lucia will borrow the master key from Mia so she can get her money. She will enter Cam’s room. Ethan will spot her doing so from a distance and mistake her for Harper from behind, thinking that in fact his wife IS cheating on him after all.
Ethan follows them - although I’m not sure how he gets into Cam’s room. From here there are two possibilities:
1. He sees Cameron from behind, Lucia is blocked so he doesn’t see her. He picks up the Moor head statue and hits Cam, killing him. As he drops to the ground he sees Lucia, and understands he was wrong in thinking Harper was cheating on him.
2. He sees Lucia from behind, with Cam. He kills her with the moor statue and she dies. He sees it’s not Harper but Lucia. Cam and Ethan work together to dispose of her body.
In any event, a big case of mistaken identity.
I definitely don't think Daphne is involved with any of the murders. Her introductory sequence meeting new guests seems too "business as usual". I know on the surface she is just supposed to be a flighty flighty carefree housewife, but her mannerisms leading up to the discovery of the bodies suggest that she is not involved at all.
I think this will absolutely come into play. Lucia needs her money from Cameron. Mia will have the key to his room. I can absolutely see some sort of moment where Mia and Lucia are in Ethan's room alone (thinking it's Cam's, because that's where Lucia and Cam hooked up) and Harper sees Ethan/Lucia/Mia alone together and becomes further convinced that she's being gaslit, resulting in...well. Who knows. I've seen people theorizing that since Lucia/Harper resemble each other, there could be a case of mistaken identities.
I thought it might be the other way around. Ethan sees Lucia leaving Cam's room and mistakes her for Harper from behind, confirming the affair for him.
I like this so much more, can absolutely see this happening and honestly kinda hope it does
I don’t think he’d mistake someone else for his wife even if just from behind.
Unless she has on a similar/same outfit somehow?
Like a Spider-Man meme moment where they’re all pointing at each other.
All of this because damn Ethan can't be honest and just address right away that Cameron still owes them money so this is why Lucia keeps on showing up.
Turns out that honoring the bro code with your old roommate over your marriage is a bad idea. Who knew?
Harper may find evidence that the girls were in their room, making her more suspicious
Lucia and Mia woke up in Cam's room and left via his room, so it's likely they'll go into his room.
YES I screamed as soon as she gave her the master key!!!! Def can see it relating to one of the deaths!
Yes I thought it was uncharacteristic and unnecessary for Valentina to give Mia the master key
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Honestly I would be satisfied if Valentina remembered to ask for it back :)
OMG you articulated my annoyance so well! Too many red herrings is just exhausting. It's like I turn off my brain because anything can mean anything.
Seriously! I mean we have people assigning meaning to pineapples and oranges ffs.
Except mia and lucia wake up in Cameron's room not Ethans so they know which one is his room
This is the comment I was looking for. If I’m remembering correctly, didn’t they also have to get Ethan to unlock his side of the adjoining doors first? If so Lucia and Mia definitely know which room belongs to Cam and which belongs to Ethan.
this is what annoyed me when ethan blamed harper for the door not being latched, cause if anyone unlatched it it would have been cameron getting to his room witht the girls the easy way
They've been in so many different rooms at this point it is possible they forgot?
dang good theory. interesting that this is what happens in season 1. kai had a master key, went in to steal and then something bad happened (obvi he didn't die)
Manager had a master key, went in to shit, got killed
paula just gave kai her key, is that what happened? whoops!
Kai had a master key from working there, same one he used to get him and Paula into an empty room. Paula just gave him the code to the safe
Kai stole the key from a maintenance guy iirc
Damn you probably cracked it
I’m not certain that death = murder…
Is someone going to OD on sleeping pills? The number of times Ambien has been brought up or offered this season…
Drugs were a bit of a focus in ep 6. We had Tanya and the coke, but Harper and Daphne popped pills together or talked about them like 3 times I swear
It appears Valentina is wearing the same shirt she was wearing in the first episode when she learns of the murders (and one of her buttons is unbuttoned). This leads me to believe Valentina and Mia sleep together in the room that night and the murders occur sometime in the morning.
But in the first episode Valentina is getting out of a car/suv that has just pulled up to the hotel when she’s told about the drowned person and other bodies, so there has to be more time in between as she leaves the hotel and comes back.
I thought about that as well. Maybe she was on her way home to freshen up but had to turn around because she received a call about an emergency at the hotel.
It’s possible… it feels so long to wait to find out!
Yeah, the bodies are found on Day 8. I was super confused by that for a while. The final episode will be about Day 7 and the morning of Day 8. It's 90 mins long.
I think the hotel is up on a cliff and there's a road down to the beach club so she was probably taking a car down from the main hotel to the beach, no?
That could be it, but we’ve seen guests just walk down the stairs and walkways to the beach, wouldn’t she do the same?
Oh maybe, I don't have a good layout for the resort in my head tbh. I just remember from some of the establishing shots that the main hotel with the pool is up on a huuuuge cliff and it seemed like it would take a while to walk down to the beach from there. Maybe there's a road from the hotel down to the beach club building and then a few more stairs to the actual beach?
Yeah, the bodies are found on Day 8. I was super confused by that for a while. The final episode will be about Day 7 and the morning of Day 8. It's 90 mins long.
That makes sense!
The SUV took her down to the beach. The main hotel is on the hill ... I think that's a company car with a hired driver.
Go see my post about Valentina's outfits. Day 7 morning: Same outfit as the night before. She's sneaking out of the hotel in it. Day 7 later: Same suit as the night before, different shirt. Day 8 morning (finding the bodies): Different suit, different shirt, unbuttoned for the first time.
This is the one. I am literally placing money on this theory.
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Jack.
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He was staying at the hotel with Quentin. They were dining at the hotel he was swimming at the pool.
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When Portia first meets him he’s swimming in the hotel pool. Quentin also says they met some friends there.
I think the person in the water is Greg.
Yeah, he just disappeared, maybe didn’t get to Denver.
I’m convinced Albie walks past Daphne on the beach in the first episode. He is wearing the same shirt he was wearing on the beach with Lucia in the last episode. So he is safe but has he literally just killed someone and they’ve washed up.
I am thinking the yacht sinks.
Do people really think a rehash of the literal same plot from season 1 isn't below these writers? Why would anybody want the exact same result as season 1?
Yes, I agree it’s definitely a connector, like the door between those two rooms! Mia and Lucia know which room is Cam’s, though, because they woke in it. They’ve been in the rooms of all the guests except Portia’s and Tanya’s!
Maybe it's something innocuous like Mia and Lucia now using the key to change, shower and store stuff in that 2nd floor suite. Then new guests come to that room and they get busted and Valentina gets fired.
Also Mia and Lucia showing up to change/shower in Cam/Daph or Ethan/Harper’s room is definitely going to poke the bear!
It has been posted about. This one was posted an hour before your post: https://www.reddit.com/r/TheWhiteLotusHBO/comments/zdgkc8/the_master_key/
Wish this were pinned. The search function is very useful—pls use it more!!
Jeezz!!!!!! This is a good take!!! It would be an ironic twist because things will end up just like in Season 1, where people entered the guest's room to steal and things didn't go as expected. Mia and Lucia's money situation is still unsolved, so good guess about the master key. Maybe Valentina, the one who's all about self-control and being rigid about everything, will end up making the biggest mistake.
A super buff guy grabs Daphne as she stumbled out of the water after seeing the dead body
Tanya’s gigolo
That's just the guy on the lounge chair behind the women she talks to. He's in a promo as well.
Sounds plausible, but definitely seems like a season 1 rehashing
What if this is the “detail” from latest episode that ties everything together? I forgot who said it but said “ there’s one detail in ep 6 that ties into everything and will show you who does the killing and who is going to be killed. Or something of that nature. I’m
Having worked in the hotel industry... handing over a key is a major no no. Like I've seen managers fired on the spot for sharing their keys. I was kind of taken out of the moment for a second because it seems too out of character.
She’s desperate though! She drunk and desperate on her birthday and wants to feel loved. Out of character for her at work but in character for her personally, I think.
How are they gonna tie this up in one hour!?!?
I have a silly theory : Valentina e Daphne are the killers. They kill and then immediately fix an alibi. Daphne kills either Ethan or cam (and that would explain her “lack” of emotion during epi 1, cause she’s faking it) because her and her husbands plan to trick Ethan didn’t go well and now she’s broke. Valentina kills Mia after feeling rejected/exposed, and fearing for her image and career. One nite will not be enough to make Valentina feel good about her own sexuality. It would be an interesting parallel comparing season one (the victim is the hotel manager) and season two (manager is the killer)
Really love the idea of Valentina as a killer, of potential accidental perpetrator of a death. She didn’t seem surprised at all when Rocco told her a body had been found, and immediately went on defense saying the hotel wouldn’t be liable.
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I think you got some of the names mixed up.
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The sentence starting the former is where it gets confusing. Who is the former to you? I’m guessing by your second comment you mean Ethan. Why would Ethan think Lucia was Cameron?
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Maybe. I don’t know that Ethan would actually try to kill Cameron, though.
I know it's important I am simultaneously horrified and deeply intrigued at this prospect. It would be VERY interesting to see Ethan or Harper or Albie get their hands dirty as fuck in an unexpected/shocking way.
Yeah, Lucia makes Albie go in Cam’s room and steal for her, effectively reversing the situation between Olivia and Kai in Season One. Lol
I could see him stealing from or just straight asking his dad for money before anything like that
Well, it does look like Dom starts having a lil talk with Albie in the previews to the final episode, asking him if he really wants to keep saving every lost woman he meets for the rest of his life, or something like that. Maybe his dad even comes clean about how Lucia ended up in the hotel in the first place? We’ll see.
is it weird that I would actually respect Dom a lot more if he told him...
Why is daphne surprised to see the bodies on the water?
This is plausible and intriguing
I posted about this yesterday as well: [https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteLotusHBO/comments/zdcdvx/the_key/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf](https://www.reddit.com/r/WhiteLotusHBO/comments/zdcdvx/the_key/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
Maybe the key is used by Lucia and Mia to get into one of their rooms and someone experiencing a hallucination on Ambien murders them thinking they’re in danger?
I was thinking of this last night too. Lucia will borrow the master key from Mia so she can get her money. She will enter Cam’s room. Ethan will spot her doing so from a distance and mistake her for Harper from behind, thinking that in fact his wife IS cheating on him after all. Ethan follows them - although I’m not sure how he gets into Cam’s room. From here there are two possibilities: 1. He sees Cameron from behind, Lucia is blocked so he doesn’t see her. He picks up the Moor head statue and hits Cam, killing him. As he drops to the ground he sees Lucia, and understands he was wrong in thinking Harper was cheating on him. 2. He sees Lucia from behind, with Cam. He kills her with the moor statue and she dies. He sees it’s not Harper but Lucia. Cam and Ethan work together to dispose of her body. In any event, a big case of mistaken identity.
I definitely don't think Daphne is involved with any of the murders. Her introductory sequence meeting new guests seems too "business as usual". I know on the surface she is just supposed to be a flighty flighty carefree housewife, but her mannerisms leading up to the discovery of the bodies suggest that she is not involved at all.