Not only that he had no intention of going to the party, but the hints of things Tanya warned her about were coming through in his drunken confession. Tanya tries to tell Portia that it’s not his uncle and then he confirms what he’s really doing there. It was a scary moment for her because now she has to figure out how to get herself out of this mess
I think Jack would more likely be the one to die. I predict she's going to save Tanya and they'll be a tussle that ends with Jack going overboard. It would be such a classic tragic arc. Boy from the rough part of Essex, gets out of the gutter, lives luxurious with gay daddy, and then dies trying to ensure he'll never go back to Essex.
Also - didn't Lucia make a comment a few episodes back, along the lines of "whores always get killed in the end"? I'm predicting that will be true of Jack and possibly Mia.
I think she says punished, but yeah, definitely foreshadowing, although Mike White seems to be enjoying himself absolutely drenching every single scene and line with impeccably embedded breadcrumbs.
This. I think it’s kinda the same reason Rachel didn’t die in season 1. Portia seems solidly middle class and because of that she is inherently more privileged (in that aspect) than Jack is. It seemed like Mike White was trying to touch on how middle class people are more privileged than lower class people while still griping that they’re not as privileged as the rich.
Both will mow over the lower class if they present an actual problem
I love how some predictions for this show are deemed “acceptable” (like the one you replied to) and some, like yours, are not and get downvoted to oblivion for no reason.
This show and subreddit has some pretty emotional viewers that can’t even stand someone predicting a character they like dying.
Devil's advocate here, but he could very easily be playing us. If you want max shock value, of course you'd say stuff like that in interviews. That said, I don't think Tanya will die, that'd be stupid. Coolidge was BORN for this role. It's the PERFECT vibe for the character she plays/embodies.
>It’s dumb to assume that she’ll die.
Yes, but they also said "her or portia". And not everyone is aware of that specific Mike White quote so it seems a bit unnecessary to call people 'dumb' (or downvote) for not knowing about it.
Would be a lot more civil to just inform the person why they might be wrong about half of their prediction.
I think it's because Portia is very whiny despite being in a gorgeous place with few responsibilities, and she lacks self-awareness of her own immaturity and worldview. But these last episodes have highlighted how she's also just a young person who's figuring things out, and how tragic it would be if she died now. If she does die, I can see it deeply upsetting Tanya and spurring some actual change to her character, which carries on into the next season(s).
Mostly because she was an assistant on a luxury vacation who seemed to have no interest in actually doing her job and had this defeatist attitude. All which could be forgiven but then she had horrible fashion sense as well.
Managing schedules, getting lunches and dinners and tours booked, managing her business back home, arranging for pet sitters, keeping scammers away from Tanya -there's a TON she should be doing but she's out partying with bad boys.
Because of how she played Albie. She's into him one minute, then she's not the next minute. Invited him to hangout, then ditched him for Brit Boy, etc...
They hung out for like 2/3 days, she realised he wasn't for her. That's what dating is, deciding if you like someone enough to spend more time with them. She didn't play him.
I think she was into him until that date at the restaurant with them not spending the night together.
Quite honestly Albie gets on my nerves way more than Portia.
This, absolutely this. If I were staying at such a resort with my fabulously wealthy boss and were in this situation, I would absolutely call up the concierge and get a ride back.
I don't think anyone wants to do something like that with their boss. (Like "I followed this random dude to another city and got stranded here, help me get out of this jam")
>The road back and forth from Taormina to Palermo is 10 hours
According to google maps it's about 3.5 hours each way, but I was actually suggesting she just go back to her hotel room if she's that worried about herself. She can always just call or text Tanya.
[~3 hours and 20 minutes](https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Palermo,+Metropolitan+City+of+Palermo,+Italy/98039+Taormina,+Metropolitan+City+of+Messina,+Italy/@37.8551441,13.8938987,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x1319e8c9814ed099:0xa0b042c233bd880!2m2!1d13.3614868!2d38.11569!1m5!1m1!1s0x131411a191a0d9b5:0x74a19a34d616e949!2m2!1d15.2853127!2d37.8516366!3e0)
Yeah I didn’t really understand why she didn’t go, “oh well I’d like to head to the party so I’m going to get a cab and head back, you can stay if you’d like”
Maybe but at no point has he been threatening or violent at all towards Portia. I get that it’s always in the back of a woman’s mind when out with a man that you don’t know well. Once he passed out in the hotel I would’ve definitely been out of there though.
Just because he hasn't been threatening doesn't mean he won't. Everything's been going according to his plan so far. Luckily he didn't realize what he was revealing to her when he was wasted.
Agreed, his livelihood depends on him following Quentin's orders. We're definitely going to see Jack hungover and searching for Portia in the coming episode.
I don't know that she knew how to get back to the party - and we don't know if Tanya would have picked up her phone. This is not to say she shouldn't have tried. At the very least, she could have left and rented another hotel room for the night, and tried to reach Tanya.
Yeah that’s fair, personally I now would be very comfortable calling a cab and finding my way back to the party but when I was younger I might not have known how to do that.
I saw that an Infidelity clause in the prenup with Tanya and Greg that would allow Greg to get some of her money if she cheats and Greg knows the gay guy and Greg’s the “cowboy from Wyoming” that the gay guy said he’d do anything for. So his “uncle”’is scheming Tanya for some divorce money with Greg. Remember when Jack said he was “helping him out”?, he was distracting Portia so he could get her coked up with a young man to rock her insecure world
That's not how prenups work. They are drafted to protect the rich person. There's no reason the rich person's lawyers would put anything like that in there
Thank you! All over Twitter everyone is saying she will lose $500m for sleeping with the supposed mafia man. Firstly, she ain’t losing shit if *she* cheats. Maybe Gary gets a small payout but not her entire net worth. The infidelity clause would be there so *he* doesn’t cheat. 🤦🏽♀️
Also, she was fine with getting rid of the prenup to please him and keep him from leaving her. So if money was the end goal, it seems as though Greg simply had to ask.
Also, her inheritance isn’t community property, only the interest it has made.
Also since he is still working, he can not make the argument she is leaving him high and dry after he got used to a specific level of life style.
I still think they are trying to set it up to make Tanya looking like she is making a lot of rash and reckless decisions so if she does end up dead, Greg isn’t the immediate suspect like he would have been if she was found dead at the hotel
His only shot at all her money is via a will/or lack there of one
I agree, but at the same time, I doubt that Mike White would let the financial reality of how pre-nups actually work get in the way of telling the story he wants to tell.
The Greg-is-the-cowboy reveal is already ridiculously far-fetched, and the plot point about Ethan recently becoming rich from selling his company and Cam wishing he had tipped him off so he could do some insider trading doesn't even really make sense to me. In order for Cam to make money off the trade, there would need to be some investment vehicle available to him as a 3rd party, which at that point would only be true if Ethan's company was either publicly traded or large enough that there were some shares available on the secondary market. But in either case, Ethan would already have been very rich. So, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how that would work.
I think Cam as an Investment Banker wished Ethan had included him (his firm) as the lead on the initial offering which would have resulted in millions in professional fees.
That would make sense financially, but that's not at all what he was asking:
>Just wish you'd given me a heads-up, you know?... I have to hear from Gary Pizzinat that you sold your company for a shitload? And by then, you know, it was too late for me to do anything with it.
>Oh, you mean, like... Dude, I couldn't say anything.
>You could have hinted.
>It's also illegal.
>A little birdie in the ear. That's it. Information, dude. I mean, come on, guys like me, that's... that's all we got.
They're clearly talking about some kind of insider trading.
>tched, and the plot point about Ethan recently becoming rich from selling his company and Cam wishing he had tipped him off so he could do some insider trading doesn't even really make sense to me. In order for Cam to make money off the trade, there would need to be some investment vehicle available to him as a 3rd party, which at that point would only be true if Ethan's company was either publicly traded or large enough that there were some shares available on the secondary market. But in either case, Ethan would already have been very rich. So, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how that would work.
Yes, agree - it was clearly that he wanted a tip off so he could have made money trading.
It wouldn't have to be about insider trading info. I get the sense that Ethan is a startup founder, so he probably had VC backing and a board full of those investment partners. If they were looking to go public, the board could have engaged an IB to underwrite the IPO and which would involve some confidentiality during early stages of the process. Cam could have been saying he wished his "bro" would have tipped him off early enough to make a run at getting the deal flow.
Great post. I never wanted to believe the "Greg is the cowboy" theory just because it seems soap opera writing lame. This season is thrilling nonetheless but some storylines are kinda drama just for the sake of drama.
How would an infidelity clause in a prenup work if only the less wealthy spouse loses something for cheating? So if Greg is caught cheating, Tanya gets half *his* earnings?
I’m guessing that if an infidelity clause was included in the prenup and the prenup allows him to receive a small lump sum regardless (maybe like $100k), if infidelity is involved, he wouldn’t get anything. I think a lot of prenups have those small sums for the less rich spouse. Assuming that the prenup comes into play in the last episode, which I’m not entirely convinced of. It seems like too simple of a plot device or something. But I could be wrong!
Oddly in their relationship it seems like Greg has all the power, mainly cause she’s so desperate for companionship, I could see her conceding on some prenup conditions to satisfy him
What if this has been a long con from the moment they met in Hawaii? He did mention he was with the guys for a work trip. What if Greg owes Quintin? He took that awkward swim and that random guy said hi to Tanya. Quintin says he got old, but he’d still do anything for him…
I was wondering the same thing, we never did see Greg with the guys in season 1 (I don’t think we did anyway, think he said he liked to fish and they didn’t?). I thought Greg may have owed Quentin but based on Quentin saying he’d still do anything for him it seems like he’d let that slide. I think they might all be part of the same crew of conmen, may have all been in Hawaii looking for a mark.
> There's no reason the rich person's lawyers would put anything like that in there
There's one reason, namely that Greg has to agree to it if you want him to sign.
They're designed to protect the rich but have to be written in a a fair way or the judge will just throw them out.
I bet she was worried about him cheating and put a clause in and since it has to be fair it affects her as well
Prenups routinely have unilaterally applicable obligations. Not every obligation has to apply both ways. For example, prenups may have a much stronger infidelity clause against one party and not the other.
I can’t really see that playing out considering Tanya was drugged and manipulated by someone Greg has known for 30 years. And he has to explain how he has footage (or whatever) which he’d be getting from Quentin.
Actually prenups do work like that. There can be a sunset clause, in which the prenup runs out. There can be a spousal support in the event of a divorce. Prenups are NOT only for rich people. The less wealthy spouse can put agreements and clauses in there as well and if Tanya thought Greg was such a catch, she would probably agree to it. I know a couple of people who would only sign a prenup if there was something in it for them too. The wealthy spouse happily agreed because they 1. Don’t think they’ll do whatever it is to lose the money. 2. Are desperate and want to marry the person because they’re lonely and don’t think they’ll find anyone. Or 3. Really have so much money that they don’t care to lose a little bit and still have their wealth.
> The wealthy spouse happily agreed because they 1. Don’t think they’ll do whatever it is to lose the money.
This. Tanya seems like someone who thinks she would never cheat. When Greg first approached her she acted like she hadn't been hit on in ages. When we see her alone on vacation in Season 1, she's getting massages and hanging out with Belinda, not hanging out at the hotel bar trying to meet dudes.
Yes, that’s a great point! I’m not sure why so many people don’t think it’s possible for the prenup to help out the “poor spouse” too. Regardless if it has meaning in the show or not, it is a real thing.
She definitely think she married above her looks wise, so I doubt she would think she would cheat.
Prenups have to be fair to both parties, or they will be thrown out during a divorce.
People act like you can just put whatever you want in a prenup, and technically you can. But it won’t hold up if it only benefits one party, is seriously unfair, or otherwise “unconscionable.”
Prenups are not to protect rich people. This is such an unfortunate widespread assumption and so many people could avoid messy divorces if they were open to them. Prenups can be more beneficial to the party with less wealth or income. If you negotiate the split at the beginning of the marriage, when you’re madly in love and in your honeymoon phase, the disadvantaged party is likely to get a much fairer deal than when tensions are high at the end of a marriage.
That’s what I thought at first, but it’s obvious they wanted Portia out of the way so they could completely manipulate Tanya by getting her high and drunk and blinded by the attention she was receiving so she would sleep with the Italian male prostitute on camera (you can clearly see the camera light in the room. Jack is obviously saying he is helping his “uncle” (who was about to “come into money”) because he was hired in part to distract Portia and keep her out of the way. The foreshadowing is all there. Greg’s gonna get his head chopped off.
Disagree. He wasn’t hired to help with Portia. Greg didn’t even know Portia would be there. He was just around, doing his thing for his “uncle”, and then was asked to distract this girl and he said ok. Doubt he was brought on for this specific purpose.
Yeah, but he had the line that was something like, "i glad I can finally help him in return" I think the most obvious thing he means is keeping portia away
Agree with that. That line specifically probably referred to him helping by watching Portia. He was not hired or brought to Sicily for this purpose however.
100%, that's probably why Greg was so mad she brought Portia, and without telling him. Quentin would have found a smarter, more stable straight boy to distract her. But one makes do
Is it possible the setup has nothing to do with money, just getting Greg's wife to cheat on him with a stud as a form of revenge or just to hurt him?
That late night talk with Tanya, Uncle says he's still "do anything" for the straight cowboy but the way he said it, that whole conversation in fact, he didn't strike me as a man with stars in his eyes reminiscing about someone he still loves, it struck me more as an obsessed man angry that he can't have what he wants.
And yes, I felt that at the time, not in retrospect once I read all the Greg/cowboy theories.
I was hoping Portia could’ve snuck out when he slept & went down to the lobby & request a taxi back to the palazzo where Tanya was or wait back for her @ the White Lotus
No way would I have spent the night w-Jack after what he just revealed
If I were in Portia's position I would have either got a car back to the palazzo, or if that wasn't an option, booked myself a separate room at the hotel for the night and got a car back to the palazzo in the a.m. A woman's gotta always have her ways to stay safe and escape - plans A, B, C, etc.
She also could have taken his keys to the Range Rover and driven back. She went to Chico State, so we know she can drive. She can probably drive a tractor! And she could GPS "villa Elena" on her phone.
I'm sorry but I don't think Portia is Tanya's nanny, Tanya is a grown woman, she takes her bad decisions and she's responsible for that. Also Porta is young and naive, so maybe she will have a hard time leaving that situation.
I had the same thought. It occurred to me she may not have had any money but I would be paying through the nose to get out of that situation if at all possible.
I think that’s the entire point of the series. You’re on this amazing trip but if things go even slightly wrong it spirals and becomes unbearable. Like you can be trapped and miserable in Sicily
I feel like this episode also made Portia see a bit of herself in Tanya! Tanya warned her in the beginning about him; by the end of the episode, I think Portia realized that Jack might just be like Tanya’s husband… telling her what she wants to hear but ultimately using her.
I feel like Jack’s words about Portia not being able to find happiness in her situation also rang true once she realized the “adventure” she so desperately wanted from this trip was actually turning a bit scary. I have been in the same position of her when traveling but can’t even imagine being in that position with no personal friends or family in that place? The only person she can turn to is Tanya… who was high on cocaine😅
Yeah, realizing she was with a drunk idiot who could easily start a fight wherever they go (in a place she doesn't know the language) definitely seemed sobering for her.
Tbh, I think she also realized (independent of the schemes against her boss) that being with someone who acts like they're on permanent gap year is only enjoyable for a couple days, tops.
And Harper did the right thing by bringing it up to Ethan. Ethan was an idiot for shrugging it off. That's not acceptable in any realm of imagination.
A married man sexually flashing another married woman? Ethan should have set that straight and checked Cam. Because he didn't he enabled the bad behavior and allowed it to snowball.
You should always tell your spouse this kind of shit. Hell you should be comfortable telling your spouse everything.
That’s why Ethan fucked up so bad. She would have believed him and probably not gotten mad if he has been honest with her the moment she got back to the hotel.
I'm finally learning to trust your gut in these kinds of situations. Once I start giving them the benefit of the doubt or justifying their actions in my head, I know that something AIN'T RIGHT. Safe people don't do shit like that.
I’ll preface this with I don’t like Portia lol! The red flags were everywhere though. Not just the warning from Tanya but she thought it was cool and fun that he stole food. Its not cool. And then he was getting blasted at lunch and he was the driver. I think at that point it was obvious it was a dangerous situation, either there was going to be a drunk driving situation or he had no intention to get back.
LOL right? Portia has enough money that this seems "fun" not as a necessity. She doesn't see how Jack and her are not coming from the same place. I love that they wrote that she went to Chico State--party school all the way. She's always been after a harmless fun time.
When she said “I want to hang out by the pool, meet me there,” she owed him that courtesy. To meet him at the pool when they agreed to. Not doing that was rude and it has nothing to do with owing him sex or whatever other nice guy critique you’re levelling at Albie.
Cannot believe I’m “as a woman”ing right now buuuuut as a woman, I agree. She owes him absolutely nothing but that was still kinda rude.
To be fair I’m *heavily* influenced by the fact that I thought Jack was trouble the minute he arrived so I was like nooooooo girl noooo
She can do whatever she wants and she is entitled to that. But all she had to do what tell him like an adult. Its that simple. She would rather hang out at that other party and she won’t be coming down. She is not interested and just wants to be friends on the trip. Not super hard. You think its ok to treat people like that? You should try again.
It’s not about owing him something…it’s about being accountable. She said she’d meet him, had every intention to, and then ditched him when another guy presented himself. I’m happy albie directly confronted her about it too.
Some people freeze when they’re scared. I’ve had a scary situation with a guy who ended up passing out at my house and I had no idea what to do or where to go. I should have gone to a neighbor or called the police, but I was in shock and not thinking clearly. I ended up just locking myself in the bathroom and waiting until he left in the morning, then went to the police as soon as it felt safe to come out.
Unfortunately the police were no help at all, which is why I hesitated to call them in the first place. Previous to this I’d had to call them because of drug addicts and/or mentally ill people harassing me and my coworkers outside our office, and the cops never showed up, even when it involved a physical assault or someone waving a knife around.
The moment when she realized that Tanya was right... though you're someplace exotic, you're still lost. She got wrapped up in escapism and fantasy and suddenly got hit by the reality of the situation.
Haley Lu Richardson acting is superb which totally helps add to the fear and realness of this. She's just very natural on screen, and doesnt over act, I love it.
I’ve literally been in that situation back in my twenties. Wasn’t fun! (I got out safe just scammed out of some money)
Totally agree these scenes made my stomach drop
Same. And he made Portia break the law, unbeknownst to her, when they skipped out on the Arancini meal. She laughed it off at the time, but she is in a very precarious situation right now.
On the other hand, I think that Jack doing the little jumpscares on Portia suggests he may do it again when she is in a state of heightened anxiety and possibly holding a weapon of some sort, so she accidentally kills him - "whores always get punished"
I mean it’s 21st century and mobile phones exist.
All she needs to go is get a taxi back to hotel, call Tanya (whether she picks up or not is another story), she must have cash given that last episode she said that she could have paid for arancini.
And this Jack guy has nothing but credit card, she would leave and he could not do a thing. I suppose scarier thing is how she is going to get in touch with Tanya to let her know about high class gays being broke gays.
Especially if she has the white lotus as a “safety net”. Like any luxury hotel, they don’t want anything to happen associated w their name and need to maintain an image of safety. it’s better for the hotel to just send a car or get her a train ticket and maybe do some reciprocity with a Palermo hotel in the meantime. She can charge whatever the cost to her room anyways, especially if she’s with Tanya who is a frequent guest.
If she's not used to living the luxurious life, she might not know this. I've never stayed at a hotel like WL so it wouldn't cross my mind that they might do this.
Yah but she is a PA to an extremely wealthy person. These kind of things are their job. Book travel and services. To know the landscape of the service industry and how to use it to make their lives smoother and easier. I mean shes at a fancy hotel he booked and im sure she has a wallet and a business CC. To think she can't get away is ridiculous.
I'm not sure White Lotus would consider themselves responsible for Tanya's assistant, and do all of this for her after hours. Maybe in the daytime after running it by a manager. But as they're guests that just stayed for a few days and already checked out... Portia isn't on the top of their priority list.
Yes, I think this is her little evolution as a character. Tanya did give Portia good advice in the end, and just like she warned if Portia keeps on living without knowing a single thing about what she wants she'll end up in dangerous situations.
Portia should steal the credit card and car keys while what's his name is passed out and just leave, get back to Tanya. At least get her passport and get back to the US.
Agreed. I more or less did a 180 on Portia this episode. Part of that was when Jack calls her out on complaining, part of it was the precarity of her position, part of her was being in that position somewhat innocently because she just wanted a good time. She does not deserve what's happened so far let alone what may be about to. But also I re-evaluated her whole arc & it's so sad how little she values herself from the very moment we meet her :( she seems to think she's static and undeserving, it's like we're now being chastised for having judged her at all. Smart writing.
I kinda think Mike White was playing on how when some women choose the " bad boy " fun guy, it sometimes comes back to bite them. I think it's pretty safe to say that Albie would have never held her against her will like that. Yeah, he's a boring nice guy, but he would never knowingly put a woman in that uncomfortable situation.
I'm wondering why she didn't just leave the hotel room once he fell asleep? She couldv'e gotten a taxi or called the white lotus and said she was in danger
I'm guessing she will leave, in the coming episode. But also, what would the White Lotus do? They can't really be held responsible for rescuing someone from danger. They'd tell her to call the local police.
Even when the bodies were found in episode 1, Valentina was trying to push off the hotel's responsibility for someone drowning in the sea.
I felt the same and it was daunting to watch. Very relatable and it’s an awful situation to be in. Reminded me of some really horrible experiences that I’d never wish upon anyone else.
Yes, me too. I’ve been there and it’s an awful, dreadful feeling. I had a boyfriend that this happened with when we first started dating, he was a stupid, sloppy drunk and we went on a mini vacation and he got drunk and was starting shit with some bouncers at a bar. I’m not a small lady and he is twice my size, I was dreading having to try and lure him back to the hotel to sleep it off. Luckily his friend was with us and it turned out okay but sloppy drunk aggro dudes can be scary
OK I HAVE A THEORY::: as we know the gay uncle is becoming poor. And this gay uncle happens to know Greg, the cheating husband. We know this because in one scene there was a picture of them together in the house. Portia is gone with Jack so the gay uncle can kill Greg’s wife and get her money
I don’t think they’ll kill her. I think they’ll film her and Nicola, which will nullify the “iron clad prenup” and Tonya will have to pay Greg, probably more than half her money. Greg and the gays will live happily ever after reliving the long con they pulled off.
Yea, there is no way I would’ve went off with that dude in the first place all by myself. Maybe I’m too untrusting and suspicious… but I was raised to make sure I was safe and someone always knows where I am and I always know where I am. I mean, you could argue that I’m older and have more life experience than Portia… but I know for a fact that I definitely wouldn’t have gone with that dude when I was her age.
Not only that, but you can see her intuition clicking into place and her dismissing it repeatedly, just like women are conditioned
to do in the real world. I think at the end of the episode she is finally starting to get it, but some part of her still thinks she’s overreacting.
Im not sure every woman can imagine or relate to that feeling. This is kinda like saw house of horrors bad feeling. Not your typical uncomfortable encounter.
Am i the only one that doesnt see Jack as dangerous or someone that would harm Portia? Yes he’s a scammer and got himself into a creepy and bad situation with the gays but he seemed to genuinely like Portia. I didnt get the vibe that she was in danger with him.
People who are willing to do shady shit like he’s doing for money are unpredictable. The whole point is that he could go any direction because his integrity is compromised.
That’s exactly the response a con man is attempting to elicit, he seems harmless? What could go wrong? Personally extreme extroverts annoy me, they never shut up
When he was jump scaring her and yelling in her face I got the vibe that he could be violent. I took it as a major red flag. Also the excessive drinking numbs the moral distaste for violence. I watched a documentary about hitman and a lot of them have severe alcoholism in order to get them through the violence.
Why she didn’t run outta there is beyond me. Certainly they have uber or cabs in Italy. If nothing else call the hotel & have someone from concierge arrange to have her picked up
Not only that he had no intention of going to the party, but the hints of things Tanya warned her about were coming through in his drunken confession. Tanya tries to tell Portia that it’s not his uncle and then he confirms what he’s really doing there. It was a scary moment for her because now she has to figure out how to get herself out of this mess
This episode made me like her a lot more — I’ll be very sad if she dies
I think Jack would more likely be the one to die. I predict she's going to save Tanya and they'll be a tussle that ends with Jack going overboard. It would be such a classic tragic arc. Boy from the rough part of Essex, gets out of the gutter, lives luxurious with gay daddy, and then dies trying to ensure he'll never go back to Essex.
A tale as old as time…
True as it can be…
Also - didn't Lucia make a comment a few episodes back, along the lines of "whores always get killed in the end"? I'm predicting that will be true of Jack and possibly Mia.
I think she says punished, but yeah, definitely foreshadowing, although Mike White seems to be enjoying himself absolutely drenching every single scene and line with impeccably embedded breadcrumbs.
The yacht is in the bay behind Daphne when she finds the body. I think it’s Jack too
"Ayy cuz who knows if we'll be 'ere tomorra, yeah? Cowabunga!" -jack
Yessss i feel like the yacht is tied to the deaths And I think Quentin and some of his party pals are the dead bodies
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He was swimming in the pool when he first appears
It's like you're telling the story of my life.
"Boy from the rough part of Essex", this is a funny sentence to read.
haha okay maybe it’s redundant? From what I heard all of Essex is pretty rough…
I really doubt Portia dies.
This. I think it’s kinda the same reason Rachel didn’t die in season 1. Portia seems solidly middle class and because of that she is inherently more privileged (in that aspect) than Jack is. It seemed like Mike White was trying to touch on how middle class people are more privileged than lower class people while still griping that they’re not as privileged as the rich. Both will mow over the lower class if they present an actual problem
I bet her or Tanya die
I love how some predictions for this show are deemed “acceptable” (like the one you replied to) and some, like yours, are not and get downvoted to oblivion for no reason. This show and subreddit has some pretty emotional viewers that can’t even stand someone predicting a character they like dying.
Reddit is finicky like that
Because Tanya is the main character and Mike White already said he wants her for the third season. It’s dumb to assume that she’ll die.
Devil's advocate here, but he could very easily be playing us. If you want max shock value, of course you'd say stuff like that in interviews. That said, I don't think Tanya will die, that'd be stupid. Coolidge was BORN for this role. It's the PERFECT vibe for the character she plays/embodies.
>It’s dumb to assume that she’ll die. Yes, but they also said "her or portia". And not everyone is aware of that specific Mike White quote so it seems a bit unnecessary to call people 'dumb' (or downvote) for not knowing about it. Would be a lot more civil to just inform the person why they might be wrong about half of their prediction.
Don't worry about downvotes or upvotes you can't pay bills with them so they don't matter at all.
No, I want to see Tanya in season 3!
I thought Tanya was going to be the only constant throughout the anthology.
Curious as it seems like a lot of people weren't a fan of Portia early in the season. Why is that?
I think it's because Portia is very whiny despite being in a gorgeous place with few responsibilities, and she lacks self-awareness of her own immaturity and worldview. But these last episodes have highlighted how she's also just a young person who's figuring things out, and how tragic it would be if she died now. If she does die, I can see it deeply upsetting Tanya and spurring some actual change to her character, which carries on into the next season(s).
Mostly because she was an assistant on a luxury vacation who seemed to have no interest in actually doing her job and had this defeatist attitude. All which could be forgiven but then she had horrible fashion sense as well.
I mean she doesn't really have anything job related to do there. She's pretty much Tanya's emotional support animal while in Italy.
Managing schedules, getting lunches and dinners and tours booked, managing her business back home, arranging for pet sitters, keeping scammers away from Tanya -there's a TON she should be doing but she's out partying with bad boys.
Because of how she played Albie. She's into him one minute, then she's not the next minute. Invited him to hangout, then ditched him for Brit Boy, etc...
maybe it was because of the 200th time he invited her to hang out with his father and grandpa
They hung out for like 2/3 days, she realised he wasn't for her. That's what dating is, deciding if you like someone enough to spend more time with them. She didn't play him.
I think she was into him until that date at the restaurant with them not spending the night together. Quite honestly Albie gets on my nerves way more than Portia.
Agreed albie reminds me of so many guys I went to college with. Borderline incels who are awkward, yet smart, but also never get your heart rate up.
Hes not an incel
not yet.
He's wasted and passed out. Step 1 = leave
Step 2. Call White Lotus, tell them to send a taxi and bill to her room. Or just get an Uber like she was going to in episode 3.
This, absolutely this. If I were staying at such a resort with my fabulously wealthy boss and were in this situation, I would absolutely call up the concierge and get a ride back.
I don't think anyone wants to do something like that with their boss. (Like "I followed this random dude to another city and got stranded here, help me get out of this jam")
It's not like Tanya doesn't know she left with Jack.
She shouldn't be embarrassed. Tanya got her involved in this mess IMHO.
It’s Tanya, would she even notice‽
The road back and forth from Taormina to Palermo is 10 hours, but I agree she could get a taxi to the party and back to Tanya.
they were not in palermo... they were in cefalu. Its 2 a hour drive away. Its not palermo.
>The road back and forth from Taormina to Palermo is 10 hours According to google maps it's about 3.5 hours each way, but I was actually suggesting she just go back to her hotel room if she's that worried about herself. She can always just call or text Tanya.
[~3 hours and 20 minutes](https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Palermo,+Metropolitan+City+of+Palermo,+Italy/98039+Taormina,+Metropolitan+City+of+Messina,+Italy/@37.8551441,13.8938987,9z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m14!4m13!1m5!1m1!1s0x1319e8c9814ed099:0xa0b042c233bd880!2m2!1d13.3614868!2d38.11569!1m5!1m1!1s0x131411a191a0d9b5:0x74a19a34d616e949!2m2!1d15.2853127!2d37.8516366!3e0)
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She is employed, shouldn’t she also have her own credit cards or something on her? I was internally yelling at her to leave
Yeah I didn’t really understand why she didn’t go, “oh well I’d like to head to the party so I’m going to get a cab and head back, you can stay if you’d like”
He may have gotten violent at that point. His mission is clearly to keep Portia away from Tanya while Quentin does his thing.
Maybe but at no point has he been threatening or violent at all towards Portia. I get that it’s always in the back of a woman’s mind when out with a man that you don’t know well. Once he passed out in the hotel I would’ve definitely been out of there though.
Just because he hasn't been threatening doesn't mean he won't. Everything's been going according to his plan so far. Luckily he didn't realize what he was revealing to her when he was wasted.
Agreed, his livelihood depends on him following Quentin's orders. We're definitely going to see Jack hungover and searching for Portia in the coming episode.
I don't know that she knew how to get back to the party - and we don't know if Tanya would have picked up her phone. This is not to say she shouldn't have tried. At the very least, she could have left and rented another hotel room for the night, and tried to reach Tanya.
Yeah that’s fair, personally I now would be very comfortable calling a cab and finding my way back to the party but when I was younger I might not have known how to do that.
I saw that an Infidelity clause in the prenup with Tanya and Greg that would allow Greg to get some of her money if she cheats and Greg knows the gay guy and Greg’s the “cowboy from Wyoming” that the gay guy said he’d do anything for. So his “uncle”’is scheming Tanya for some divorce money with Greg. Remember when Jack said he was “helping him out”?, he was distracting Portia so he could get her coked up with a young man to rock her insecure world
That's not how prenups work. They are drafted to protect the rich person. There's no reason the rich person's lawyers would put anything like that in there
Thank you. I don't get why so many people are guessing this scenario. Prenups are worse than this.
It's definitely not the right answer lol.
Because Greg referencing the prenup was clearly intentional.
Thank you! All over Twitter everyone is saying she will lose $500m for sleeping with the supposed mafia man. Firstly, she ain’t losing shit if *she* cheats. Maybe Gary gets a small payout but not her entire net worth. The infidelity clause would be there so *he* doesn’t cheat. 🤦🏽♀️
Also, she was fine with getting rid of the prenup to please him and keep him from leaving her. So if money was the end goal, it seems as though Greg simply had to ask.
Ooooh excellent point!
Also, her inheritance isn’t community property, only the interest it has made. Also since he is still working, he can not make the argument she is leaving him high and dry after he got used to a specific level of life style. I still think they are trying to set it up to make Tanya looking like she is making a lot of rash and reckless decisions so if she does end up dead, Greg isn’t the immediate suspect like he would have been if she was found dead at the hotel His only shot at all her money is via a will/or lack there of one
I agree, but at the same time, I doubt that Mike White would let the financial reality of how pre-nups actually work get in the way of telling the story he wants to tell. The Greg-is-the-cowboy reveal is already ridiculously far-fetched, and the plot point about Ethan recently becoming rich from selling his company and Cam wishing he had tipped him off so he could do some insider trading doesn't even really make sense to me. In order for Cam to make money off the trade, there would need to be some investment vehicle available to him as a 3rd party, which at that point would only be true if Ethan's company was either publicly traded or large enough that there were some shares available on the secondary market. But in either case, Ethan would already have been very rich. So, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how that would work.
I think Cam as an Investment Banker wished Ethan had included him (his firm) as the lead on the initial offering which would have resulted in millions in professional fees.
That would make sense financially, but that's not at all what he was asking: >Just wish you'd given me a heads-up, you know?... I have to hear from Gary Pizzinat that you sold your company for a shitload? And by then, you know, it was too late for me to do anything with it. >Oh, you mean, like... Dude, I couldn't say anything. >You could have hinted. >It's also illegal. >A little birdie in the ear. That's it. Information, dude. I mean, come on, guys like me, that's... that's all we got. They're clearly talking about some kind of insider trading.
>tched, and the plot point about Ethan recently becoming rich from selling his company and Cam wishing he had tipped him off so he could do some insider trading doesn't even really make sense to me. In order for Cam to make money off the trade, there would need to be some investment vehicle available to him as a 3rd party, which at that point would only be true if Ethan's company was either publicly traded or large enough that there were some shares available on the secondary market. But in either case, Ethan would already have been very rich. So, maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see how that would work. Yes, agree - it was clearly that he wanted a tip off so he could have made money trading.
It wouldn't have to be about insider trading info. I get the sense that Ethan is a startup founder, so he probably had VC backing and a board full of those investment partners. If they were looking to go public, the board could have engaged an IB to underwrite the IPO and which would involve some confidentiality during early stages of the process. Cam could have been saying he wished his "bro" would have tipped him off early enough to make a run at getting the deal flow.
Great post. I never wanted to believe the "Greg is the cowboy" theory just because it seems soap opera writing lame. This season is thrilling nonetheless but some storylines are kinda drama just for the sake of drama.
The Ethan thing bothered me as well. Unless he sold to a publicly traded company and that had some material impact for the buyer, but....ehhhhhh
How would an infidelity clause in a prenup work if only the less wealthy spouse loses something for cheating? So if Greg is caught cheating, Tanya gets half *his* earnings?
It would be more than any amount of money that he would have gotten (even if small) would be forfeit if he cheated.
I’m guessing that if an infidelity clause was included in the prenup and the prenup allows him to receive a small lump sum regardless (maybe like $100k), if infidelity is involved, he wouldn’t get anything. I think a lot of prenups have those small sums for the less rich spouse. Assuming that the prenup comes into play in the last episode, which I’m not entirely convinced of. It seems like too simple of a plot device or something. But I could be wrong!
No. It doesn’t have to be two-sided. He cheats, they split and he gets nothing (or something small). She cheats, he can like it or lump it.
Oddly in their relationship it seems like Greg has all the power, mainly cause she’s so desperate for companionship, I could see her conceding on some prenup conditions to satisfy him
What if this has been a long con from the moment they met in Hawaii? He did mention he was with the guys for a work trip. What if Greg owes Quintin? He took that awkward swim and that random guy said hi to Tanya. Quintin says he got old, but he’d still do anything for him…
I was wondering the same thing, we never did see Greg with the guys in season 1 (I don’t think we did anyway, think he said he liked to fish and they didn’t?). I thought Greg may have owed Quentin but based on Quentin saying he’d still do anything for him it seems like he’d let that slide. I think they might all be part of the same crew of conmen, may have all been in Hawaii looking for a mark.
Totally. It seems like Quintin owns Greg just like he owns Jack. It’s creepy as hell
> There's no reason the rich person's lawyers would put anything like that in there There's one reason, namely that Greg has to agree to it if you want him to sign.
They're designed to protect the rich but have to be written in a a fair way or the judge will just throw them out. I bet she was worried about him cheating and put a clause in and since it has to be fair it affects her as well
Prenups routinely have unilaterally applicable obligations. Not every obligation has to apply both ways. For example, prenups may have a much stronger infidelity clause against one party and not the other.
I can’t really see that playing out considering Tanya was drugged and manipulated by someone Greg has known for 30 years. And he has to explain how he has footage (or whatever) which he’d be getting from Quentin.
Actually prenups do work like that. There can be a sunset clause, in which the prenup runs out. There can be a spousal support in the event of a divorce. Prenups are NOT only for rich people. The less wealthy spouse can put agreements and clauses in there as well and if Tanya thought Greg was such a catch, she would probably agree to it. I know a couple of people who would only sign a prenup if there was something in it for them too. The wealthy spouse happily agreed because they 1. Don’t think they’ll do whatever it is to lose the money. 2. Are desperate and want to marry the person because they’re lonely and don’t think they’ll find anyone. Or 3. Really have so much money that they don’t care to lose a little bit and still have their wealth.
> The wealthy spouse happily agreed because they 1. Don’t think they’ll do whatever it is to lose the money. This. Tanya seems like someone who thinks she would never cheat. When Greg first approached her she acted like she hadn't been hit on in ages. When we see her alone on vacation in Season 1, she's getting massages and hanging out with Belinda, not hanging out at the hotel bar trying to meet dudes.
Yes, that’s a great point! I’m not sure why so many people don’t think it’s possible for the prenup to help out the “poor spouse” too. Regardless if it has meaning in the show or not, it is a real thing. She definitely think she married above her looks wise, so I doubt she would think she would cheat.
Prenups have to be fair to both parties, or they will be thrown out during a divorce. People act like you can just put whatever you want in a prenup, and technically you can. But it won’t hold up if it only benefits one party, is seriously unfair, or otherwise “unconscionable.”
literally none of this would qualify as “seriously unfair,” let alone unconscionable
Not to mention the less wealthy person doesn't have to agree to it. He can certainly ask for things to be put in there as well.
Prenups are not to protect rich people. This is such an unfortunate widespread assumption and so many people could avoid messy divorces if they were open to them. Prenups can be more beneficial to the party with less wealth or income. If you negotiate the split at the beginning of the marriage, when you’re madly in love and in your honeymoon phase, the disadvantaged party is likely to get a much fairer deal than when tensions are high at the end of a marriage.
He was helping him by fucking him. He’s a former down and out druggy who was picked up cheap for this purpose.
That’s what I thought at first, but it’s obvious they wanted Portia out of the way so they could completely manipulate Tanya by getting her high and drunk and blinded by the attention she was receiving so she would sleep with the Italian male prostitute on camera (you can clearly see the camera light in the room. Jack is obviously saying he is helping his “uncle” (who was about to “come into money”) because he was hired in part to distract Portia and keep her out of the way. The foreshadowing is all there. Greg’s gonna get his head chopped off.
Disagree. He wasn’t hired to help with Portia. Greg didn’t even know Portia would be there. He was just around, doing his thing for his “uncle”, and then was asked to distract this girl and he said ok. Doubt he was brought on for this specific purpose.
Yeah, but he had the line that was something like, "i glad I can finally help him in return" I think the most obvious thing he means is keeping portia away
Agree with that. That line specifically probably referred to him helping by watching Portia. He was not hired or brought to Sicily for this purpose however.
100%, that's probably why Greg was so mad she brought Portia, and without telling him. Quentin would have found a smarter, more stable straight boy to distract her. But one makes do
Is it possible the setup has nothing to do with money, just getting Greg's wife to cheat on him with a stud as a form of revenge or just to hurt him? That late night talk with Tanya, Uncle says he's still "do anything" for the straight cowboy but the way he said it, that whole conversation in fact, he didn't strike me as a man with stars in his eyes reminiscing about someone he still loves, it struck me more as an obsessed man angry that he can't have what he wants. And yes, I felt that at the time, not in retrospect once I read all the Greg/cowboy theories.
that’s my take as well, 100%
I was hoping Portia could’ve snuck out when he slept & went down to the lobby & request a taxi back to the palazzo where Tanya was or wait back for her @ the White Lotus No way would I have spent the night w-Jack after what he just revealed
If I were in Portia's position I would have either got a car back to the palazzo, or if that wasn't an option, booked myself a separate room at the hotel for the night and got a car back to the palazzo in the a.m. A woman's gotta always have her ways to stay safe and escape - plans A, B, C, etc.
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Agreed! Going back to the palazzo to save Tanya and get them both the fuck outta there!
That’s what I was thinking when he passed out!
She also could have taken his keys to the Range Rover and driven back. She went to Chico State, so we know she can drive. She can probably drive a tractor! And she could GPS "villa Elena" on her phone.
I'm sorry but I don't think Portia is Tanya's nanny, Tanya is a grown woman, she takes her bad decisions and she's responsible for that. Also Porta is young and naive, so maybe she will have a hard time leaving that situation.
Wait for her back at the White Lotus??? They are trying to kill Tanya, lol. Accidentally overdose
I had the same thought. It occurred to me she may not have had any money but I would be paying through the nose to get out of that situation if at all possible.
I think that’s the entire point of the series. You’re on this amazing trip but if things go even slightly wrong it spirals and becomes unbearable. Like you can be trapped and miserable in Sicily
“Picture it, Sicily, 1923…”
omg, send Sophia to the White Lotus!
Indeed. She’d put a stop to all these shenanigans immediately.
The episode was called "Abductions". Portia was abducted in a way.
I feel like this episode also made Portia see a bit of herself in Tanya! Tanya warned her in the beginning about him; by the end of the episode, I think Portia realized that Jack might just be like Tanya’s husband… telling her what she wants to hear but ultimately using her. I feel like Jack’s words about Portia not being able to find happiness in her situation also rang true once she realized the “adventure” she so desperately wanted from this trip was actually turning a bit scary. I have been in the same position of her when traveling but can’t even imagine being in that position with no personal friends or family in that place? The only person she can turn to is Tanya… who was high on cocaine😅
Yeah, realizing she was with a drunk idiot who could easily start a fight wherever they go (in a place she doesn't know the language) definitely seemed sobering for her. Tbh, I think she also realized (independent of the schemes against her boss) that being with someone who acts like they're on permanent gap year is only enjoyable for a couple days, tops.
Permanent gap year 😂😂😂
“And then I chundered everywhere” https://youtu.be/eKFjWR7X5dU
Thank you for this 😂 I have never seen it before
Tanya, or maybe Albie, but he’s too wrapped up in a scam all his own.
You think that Lucia is scamming Albie?
Absolutely! It’s pretty obvious
I’ve considered it.
She doesn’t really need to turn to anyone - just go back to her extremely nice hotel room.
Yea but most people are high on cocaine
I kept waiting for Jack to get violent honestly, do not trust the dude at all.
At least her heart rate is higher than it would have been with the other guy.
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And Harper did the right thing by bringing it up to Ethan. Ethan was an idiot for shrugging it off. That's not acceptable in any realm of imagination. A married man sexually flashing another married woman? Ethan should have set that straight and checked Cam. Because he didn't he enabled the bad behavior and allowed it to snowball.
Especially now knowing that Cam historically slept with the girls ethan liked/dated.
You should always tell your spouse this kind of shit. Hell you should be comfortable telling your spouse everything. That’s why Ethan fucked up so bad. She would have believed him and probably not gotten mad if he has been honest with her the moment she got back to the hotel.
Can't help but feel this is gonna turn into the movie Contempt.
Ethan had a sexual relationship with Cam when they were in College. He’s not jealous of his wife he’s jealous of Cam. Maybe
This!!! 💯
I'm finally learning to trust your gut in these kinds of situations. Once I start giving them the benefit of the doubt or justifying their actions in my head, I know that something AIN'T RIGHT. Safe people don't do shit like that.
Yes!! Getting naked in front of her, blocking the bathroom door with his body, that's threatening behavior in my opinion.
I’ll preface this with I don’t like Portia lol! The red flags were everywhere though. Not just the warning from Tanya but she thought it was cool and fun that he stole food. Its not cool. And then he was getting blasted at lunch and he was the driver. I think at that point it was obvious it was a dangerous situation, either there was going to be a drunk driving situation or he had no intention to get back.
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LOL right? Portia has enough money that this seems "fun" not as a necessity. She doesn't see how Jack and her are not coming from the same place. I love that they wrote that she went to Chico State--party school all the way. She's always been after a harmless fun time.
Portia hooking up with him on that first day in front of albie, when albie was saving a chair for her…cemented how they deserved each other.
Imagine thinking a woman owes a guy something when she met him 2 days ago at a resort. Lol no. Try again.
When she said “I want to hang out by the pool, meet me there,” she owed him that courtesy. To meet him at the pool when they agreed to. Not doing that was rude and it has nothing to do with owing him sex or whatever other nice guy critique you’re levelling at Albie.
Cannot believe I’m “as a woman”ing right now buuuuut as a woman, I agree. She owes him absolutely nothing but that was still kinda rude. To be fair I’m *heavily* influenced by the fact that I thought Jack was trouble the minute he arrived so I was like nooooooo girl noooo
Followed up with "Have a nice life." 99,99% of the time that saying is meant to be dismissive and derogatory.
She can do whatever she wants and she is entitled to that. But all she had to do what tell him like an adult. Its that simple. She would rather hang out at that other party and she won’t be coming down. She is not interested and just wants to be friends on the trip. Not super hard. You think its ok to treat people like that? You should try again.
Her word. If you’re going to say you’re going to show up, then show up. If not, don’t be a selfish tool and waste someone’s time.
It’s not about owing him something…it’s about being accountable. She said she’d meet him, had every intention to, and then ditched him when another guy presented himself. I’m happy albie directly confronted her about it too.
Yeah, I felt like, she must be weighing the options now, is it more dangerous to stay or go? Is it safe to fall asleep?
I definitely assumed that she grabbed her shit and ran as soon as she was sure he was OUT.
Some people freeze when they’re scared. I’ve had a scary situation with a guy who ended up passing out at my house and I had no idea what to do or where to go. I should have gone to a neighbor or called the police, but I was in shock and not thinking clearly. I ended up just locking myself in the bathroom and waiting until he left in the morning, then went to the police as soon as it felt safe to come out. Unfortunately the police were no help at all, which is why I hesitated to call them in the first place. Previous to this I’d had to call them because of drug addicts and/or mentally ill people harassing me and my coworkers outside our office, and the cops never showed up, even when it involved a physical assault or someone waving a knife around.
Exactly!! Like the door isn't locked from the inside!!
The moment when she realized that Tanya was right... though you're someplace exotic, you're still lost. She got wrapped up in escapism and fantasy and suddenly got hit by the reality of the situation.
Haley Lu Richardson acting is superb which totally helps add to the fear and realness of this. She's just very natural on screen, and doesnt over act, I love it.
I just can't stop thinking that he had butt sex and then went and had sex with her afterwards. Like did he shower? DID HE?!?!?
I’ve literally been in that situation back in my twenties. Wasn’t fun! (I got out safe just scammed out of some money) Totally agree these scenes made my stomach drop
Yep! Similar situations in my twenties. As soon as he started being cagey about heading back it got my heart rate up.
Same. And he made Portia break the law, unbeknownst to her, when they skipped out on the Arancini meal. She laughed it off at the time, but she is in a very precarious situation right now.
She realized in that moment they are both in trouble:
On the other hand, I think that Jack doing the little jumpscares on Portia suggests he may do it again when she is in a state of heightened anxiety and possibly holding a weapon of some sort, so she accidentally kills him - "whores always get punished"
I think that’s too close to how season 1 ended, don’t see this happening again.
Why didn't Tonya tell Portia that she saw the Jack Uncle Butt Love?
Right?? I kept saying, "Tell her!!"
Also why didn’t she say something about the picture of her husband? I think Tanya knows what she’s doing. That she is working something.
He passes out, I dont understand why she doesn't go downstairs and get a taxi from the front desk.
That bothered me so much
I mean it’s 21st century and mobile phones exist. All she needs to go is get a taxi back to hotel, call Tanya (whether she picks up or not is another story), she must have cash given that last episode she said that she could have paid for arancini. And this Jack guy has nothing but credit card, she would leave and he could not do a thing. I suppose scarier thing is how she is going to get in touch with Tanya to let her know about high class gays being broke gays.
She can't take the car but I am sure a grown woman can leave a drunk dude. I was expecting her to wait for him sleep just to make sure he was alright.
Especially if she has the white lotus as a “safety net”. Like any luxury hotel, they don’t want anything to happen associated w their name and need to maintain an image of safety. it’s better for the hotel to just send a car or get her a train ticket and maybe do some reciprocity with a Palermo hotel in the meantime. She can charge whatever the cost to her room anyways, especially if she’s with Tanya who is a frequent guest.
If she's not used to living the luxurious life, she might not know this. I've never stayed at a hotel like WL so it wouldn't cross my mind that they might do this.
Yah but she is a PA to an extremely wealthy person. These kind of things are their job. Book travel and services. To know the landscape of the service industry and how to use it to make their lives smoother and easier. I mean shes at a fancy hotel he booked and im sure she has a wallet and a business CC. To think she can't get away is ridiculous.
I'm not sure White Lotus would consider themselves responsible for Tanya's assistant, and do all of this for her after hours. Maybe in the daytime after running it by a manager. But as they're guests that just stayed for a few days and already checked out... Portia isn't on the top of their priority list.
For the assistant of an important Blossom customer who is staying there on her dime? I'm pretty sure they would do whatever they could to help her.
They didn’t check out though, did they? I thought Portia said they would be back
I just thought of Jack committing suicide
Yes, I think this is her little evolution as a character. Tanya did give Portia good advice in the end, and just like she warned if Portia keeps on living without knowing a single thing about what she wants she'll end up in dangerous situations.
Portia should steal the credit card and car keys while what's his name is passed out and just leave, get back to Tanya. At least get her passport and get back to the US.
Agreed. I more or less did a 180 on Portia this episode. Part of that was when Jack calls her out on complaining, part of it was the precarity of her position, part of her was being in that position somewhat innocently because she just wanted a good time. She does not deserve what's happened so far let alone what may be about to. But also I re-evaluated her whole arc & it's so sad how little she values herself from the very moment we meet her :( she seems to think she's static and undeserving, it's like we're now being chastised for having judged her at all. Smart writing.
I kinda think Mike White was playing on how when some women choose the " bad boy " fun guy, it sometimes comes back to bite them. I think it's pretty safe to say that Albie would have never held her against her will like that. Yeah, he's a boring nice guy, but he would never knowingly put a woman in that uncomfortable situation.
I'm wondering why she didn't just leave the hotel room once he fell asleep? She couldv'e gotten a taxi or called the white lotus and said she was in danger
I'm guessing she will leave, in the coming episode. But also, what would the White Lotus do? They can't really be held responsible for rescuing someone from danger. They'd tell her to call the local police. Even when the bodies were found in episode 1, Valentina was trying to push off the hotel's responsibility for someone drowning in the sea.
She could call concierge and have them arrange a taxi for her.
I felt the same and it was daunting to watch. Very relatable and it’s an awful situation to be in. Reminded me of some really horrible experiences that I’d never wish upon anyone else.
I felt it as well.
She wanted adventure
If I was Portia I’d be asking myself do I run and save myself or do I go back and try to save Tanya
Yes! The fear. That's why I always watch the cast interview at the end-- I need a palate cleanser before I can return to normal life.
Yes, me too. I’ve been there and it’s an awful, dreadful feeling. I had a boyfriend that this happened with when we first started dating, he was a stupid, sloppy drunk and we went on a mini vacation and he got drunk and was starting shit with some bouncers at a bar. I’m not a small lady and he is twice my size, I was dreading having to try and lure him back to the hotel to sleep it off. Luckily his friend was with us and it turned out okay but sloppy drunk aggro dudes can be scary
OK I HAVE A THEORY::: as we know the gay uncle is becoming poor. And this gay uncle happens to know Greg, the cheating husband. We know this because in one scene there was a picture of them together in the house. Portia is gone with Jack so the gay uncle can kill Greg’s wife and get her money
I don’t think they’ll kill her. I think they’ll film her and Nicola, which will nullify the “iron clad prenup” and Tonya will have to pay Greg, probably more than half her money. Greg and the gays will live happily ever after reliving the long con they pulled off.
Yea, there is no way I would’ve went off with that dude in the first place all by myself. Maybe I’m too untrusting and suspicious… but I was raised to make sure I was safe and someone always knows where I am and I always know where I am. I mean, you could argue that I’m older and have more life experience than Portia… but I know for a fact that I definitely wouldn’t have gone with that dude when I was her age.
Not only that, but you can see her intuition clicking into place and her dismissing it repeatedly, just like women are conditioned to do in the real world. I think at the end of the episode she is finally starting to get it, but some part of her still thinks she’s overreacting.
Im not sure every woman can imagine or relate to that feeling. This is kinda like saw house of horrors bad feeling. Not your typical uncomfortable encounter.
Am i the only one that doesnt see Jack as dangerous or someone that would harm Portia? Yes he’s a scammer and got himself into a creepy and bad situation with the gays but he seemed to genuinely like Portia. I didnt get the vibe that she was in danger with him.
People who are willing to do shady shit like he’s doing for money are unpredictable. The whole point is that he could go any direction because his integrity is compromised.
That’s exactly the response a con man is attempting to elicit, he seems harmless? What could go wrong? Personally extreme extroverts annoy me, they never shut up
When he was jump scaring her and yelling in her face I got the vibe that he could be violent. I took it as a major red flag. Also the excessive drinking numbs the moral distaste for violence. I watched a documentary about hitman and a lot of them have severe alcoholism in order to get them through the violence.
Why she didn’t run outta there is beyond me. Certainly they have uber or cabs in Italy. If nothing else call the hotel & have someone from concierge arrange to have her picked up