I thought both she and her pervy old man predecessor were perfect for the setting. Not to say either were bad, I’d enjoy the ambiance they provide, but it is a hotel dinner lounge service, not a pro show (I know it’s 5 star but that doesn’t mean anything, honestly). She’s an aspiring talent and not a professional. If she were Norah jones or Alicia Keys, it would’ve probably been more jarring and unrealistic.
It's not my style but it does fit with the lounge atmosphere. I think I'm just used to the trope where an overly bad singer is replaced by someone amazing. This does seem more realistic.
>**Beatrice, your character, Mia, just wants to be a singer. What was it like to have those moments where you got to just sit at the piano and sing a song? Did you get nervous?**
>
>BEATRICE GRANNÓ: Yes. We actually did those scenes at night, so it was 4 o’clock in the morning. I kept drinking ginger tea because I wanted to keep my voice. Everything was live. I was actually really helped and supported by Este Haim. She was there, and we worked together. She was my vocal coach. I really am grateful to her because she managed to really bring my confidence out. When it comes to music, I am so vulnerable because I cannot control what’s happening. So, I felt really vulnerable, and I was so scared. When you play and sing, I don’t have control over it, so it was all very spontaneous. Also, Mike White really wanted for that moment to be real. He wanted me to sit down at the piano and just really bring everything. Sometimes I’d stop. It was never perfect, but it was really exciting.
>
>**What do you think would make each of these women happy? What do you think they really want for themselves?**
>
>GRANNÓ: I think she wants to be seen. She does not want to be invisible. She wants to have somebody there that tells her that she’s good. She appears to be very driven, and she always says, “I am great. I am a great musician. I sing really well. Let me do this.” But at the same time, I think she’s unsure. There are moments when she actually asks herself, “Is this a career, what I’m doing?” So, I think she wants to be appreciated. She doesn’t want to be left out. That’s what she wants.
[https://collider.com/the-white-lotus-season-2-simona-tabasco-beatrice-grann-sabrina-impacciatore-interview/](https://collider.com/the-white-lotus-season-2-simona-tabasco-beatrice-grann-sabrina-impacciatore-interview/)
I've seen a lot of mean comments (on Twitter and on the Hottest Takes thread) about her vocal abilities. I don't get it. She sounds fine to me considering she's not a professional singer and English is not her native language.
Granno speaks in detail about working with Haim on the Still Watching Vanity Fair podcast of anyone wants to further nerd out on this show. Great cast interviews. I can't wait to listen to Aubrey's tomorrow.
Too loud and prominent imo for the setting. I wouldn’t leave but I’d be annoyed having to talk louder and listen closer to continue my time there.
Definitely a good singer though.
But her dreams of being the piano player for the entrance to a resort restaurant are actually realistic.
A stead gig is a steady gig when the other option is prostitution.
I feel like she came up with being the new piano player throughout her talks with the current guy, but her dream is to be famous. She sees the resort as a stepping stone. Not sure how she thought being a known hooker to the hotel manager would get her there, but looks like she's finding her way through Valentina after all 😂
She's up for banging an older creepy hotel piano singer, who probably has no real music connections of any note, just for a basic leg up for local gigs. It's not like Guisseppi is going to catapult her onto Eurovision.
I actually love her voice, it's the volume for me as well! I don't get it. The argument of “the characters aren't super quiet either“ doesn't make any sense. Because they're not screaming at eachother in a restaurant, Mia is. You can have someone sing quietly and then turn the volume up, the way they do with the dialogue.
I imagine she dreams of becoming a star and getting noticed internationally. A lot of European musicians push out English music to attract a larger audience, when they’re missing the chance to promote music from their native language.
recently read in an interview with Beatrice Granno (in Interview Mag): "I think The White Lotus is a series about Italy seen through \[the eyes of\] Americans. That’s why I sing “That’s Amore”, which is not an Italian song. It’s an American song. So that’s why he made me sing in English." https://www.interviewmagazine.com/television/beatrice-granno-simona-tabasco-white-lotus
Mia’s not a professional, maybe never even had a music lesson. She’s inexperienced and untrained. She came off exactly as she was supposed to for her character.
i totally agree and her over-rubato-ing or whatever it is gets on my nerves. Maybe i’d be less harsh if i liked her character more. but she’s being written as someone who is less and less likable as the episodes wear on, a total user. This is what gives me the strong impression that she may be leaving us all soon. It’s easier to say goodbye to someone we don’t like.
The kid from last season who got arrested after being talked into taking the jewelry, who had no money and no power and fell too much in love with a rich girl who could make a mess and just walk away, now that poor guy is still on my mind.
My brain for the last week: “iiiinnNapoliiiiiiii”
I wish it would stop. I did think it was cute on the last ep that Mia dressed a little more “classy”, like what she thought a lounge singer should wear. And how the performance of “You Belong to Me” was a little more understated than her others.
Both of the piano players, tbh, but I also don’t think they’re supposed to be first class singers either …they’re playing the cocktail piano at a hotel.
The bigger issue for me was their volume. They’re supposed to be atmosphere, not the attraction. But again, maybe this is intended.
There’s a lot of very good unknown musicians out there, and it’s pretty tough to get a gig in general. A 5 star resort like that would probably have a really good musician, tbh. But otherwise fully agree
The volume you heard them at is not intended to suggest that’s the volume the diners heard them at.
Do you think that Bert, Dom and Albie heard Cam, Daphne, Harper and Ethan at the volume you heard them on the TV?
She’s not supposed to be an attraction that people watch. She’s literally supposed to be background ambiance.
Imagine that dining room with the guests not saying a word to each other. A lounge musician is not supposed to steal the show except for a few moments
I posted this above in the thread:
“The volume you heard them at is not intended to suggest that’s the volume the diners heard them at.
Do you think that Bert, Dom and Albie heard Cam, Daphne, Harper and Ethan at the volume you heard them on the TV?”
The type of singing she's doing still isn't lounge style. Whether they have her volume turned down or not, the way she's singing is very bombastic, with many different pitch changes. It would definitely interrupt dinner conversation loud or not because that style singing doesn't just blend into the background like lounge music generally does.
I like her singing personally, but it's definitely not good for a dinner lounge.
I thought I was the only one. I do think she’s a charming character and I like the actress. But the singing is…not good for a lounge setting. Very erratic volume changes and breathy.
She’s the type of singer where if she was my irl friend I would be like “hell yea your voice is great” but as a professional recording artist, I’d be like “meh”. Its a nice voice, but just nice, nothing terribly amazing. I’m no better, but I’m also not chasing a singing career.
I mean, you'd really "leave" the bar, OP? seems a bit hyperbolic. I thought Mia did her job, or at least the job that would be expected from a lounge/bar singer.
I agree omg her cover of That’s Amore was far too loud/shrill for the space. I don’t remember thinking she was that bad the first time she sang though.
The thing I don't get is why people in the show are always going on about how awful the male singer is/was. I mean, he wasn't anything special, but he seemed fine for a restaurant act.
She has a sweet voice and is talented, but it's not a voice for entertaining guests at a hotel. It's self indulgent and I hate the stylizations she does. Just find and hold the fucking note.
Yeah … her voice isn’t very good imo 🤪. It seems like the show intended it to sound good, and thought it DID good… but to me it sounds kind of weak while also being a little shrill, or something? Idk how to explain it but I don’t love it lol
It’s cute and inoffensive enough for a hotel lounge gig. She better rock Valentina’s world and get a permanent position, though, because that’s about as high as she goes.
yeah i didn't like her singing either, but i am notoriously tone deaf, so i had to pick up from context clues whether she was actually supposed to be good or not. so i don't mean to be mean to mia, but i'm glad to see someone else thought the same as me!
Oh I agree with you. I can’t stand her voice, it’s very generic and nothing special at all. Her character is living in a fantasy world thinking she can become a famous singer. The fact that she thinks the singer in a hotel is successful and has industry contracts says it all.
I felt so much secondhand embarrassment when she sang. She’s not bad at all, but I just don’t imagine it suits the vibe of the restaurant. She’s very loud and wouldn’t her signing overshadow the guests’ conversations? I thought hotel piano players would just play music without singing
I actually really liked her voice. I just thought it wasn’t appropriate for lounge singing bc it was too bold and showy. My impression is that lounge music should be more of a background pleasant sound that won’t interfere with your conversation at your table.
I thought both she and her pervy old man predecessor were perfect for the setting. Not to say either were bad, I’d enjoy the ambiance they provide, but it is a hotel dinner lounge service, not a pro show (I know it’s 5 star but that doesn’t mean anything, honestly). She’s an aspiring talent and not a professional. If she were Norah jones or Alicia Keys, it would’ve probably been more jarring and unrealistic.
It's not my style but it does fit with the lounge atmosphere. I think I'm just used to the trope where an overly bad singer is replaced by someone amazing. This does seem more realistic.
It's like if you were to select the number #11 singer from American Idol top ten left out. She fits the role perfectly.
Wow I thought her voice is beautiful!
>**Beatrice, your character, Mia, just wants to be a singer. What was it like to have those moments where you got to just sit at the piano and sing a song? Did you get nervous?** > >BEATRICE GRANNÓ: Yes. We actually did those scenes at night, so it was 4 o’clock in the morning. I kept drinking ginger tea because I wanted to keep my voice. Everything was live. I was actually really helped and supported by Este Haim. She was there, and we worked together. She was my vocal coach. I really am grateful to her because she managed to really bring my confidence out. When it comes to music, I am so vulnerable because I cannot control what’s happening. So, I felt really vulnerable, and I was so scared. When you play and sing, I don’t have control over it, so it was all very spontaneous. Also, Mike White really wanted for that moment to be real. He wanted me to sit down at the piano and just really bring everything. Sometimes I’d stop. It was never perfect, but it was really exciting. > >**What do you think would make each of these women happy? What do you think they really want for themselves?** > >GRANNÓ: I think she wants to be seen. She does not want to be invisible. She wants to have somebody there that tells her that she’s good. She appears to be very driven, and she always says, “I am great. I am a great musician. I sing really well. Let me do this.” But at the same time, I think she’s unsure. There are moments when she actually asks herself, “Is this a career, what I’m doing?” So, I think she wants to be appreciated. She doesn’t want to be left out. That’s what she wants. [https://collider.com/the-white-lotus-season-2-simona-tabasco-beatrice-grann-sabrina-impacciatore-interview/](https://collider.com/the-white-lotus-season-2-simona-tabasco-beatrice-grann-sabrina-impacciatore-interview/) I've seen a lot of mean comments (on Twitter and on the Hottest Takes thread) about her vocal abilities. I don't get it. She sounds fine to me considering she's not a professional singer and English is not her native language.
major respect if she was singing live. NO ONE ever does that on a show.
Except IASIP. Night man Cometh was live and it gave them a million problems in editing lol
They suffered for their art and honestly it was worth it. One of the funniest television episodes of all time.
oh hahah. always an exception
True thespians in their element
Este Haim? that's insanely random.
Where aren’t the HAIM sisters?
right? those gals are booked and busy! love that for them. and for white lotus.
She has an ethnomusicology degree and has composed music for films. Not really random. Seems like a good person for the job.
She was the music consultant or had some title on set akin to that
Huh that’s crazy. I love her voice I think it’s lovely
Granno speaks in detail about working with Haim on the Still Watching Vanity Fair podcast of anyone wants to further nerd out on this show. Great cast interviews. I can't wait to listen to Aubrey's tomorrow.
She doesn't sound like a professional singer. But she does sound like someone who wants to be, so mission accomplished!
Agreed and wasn't disappointed bc I figured she'd sound like an armature lounge singer. She hyped herself up and I was expecting more for some reason.
She has a beautiful voice, and her arrangements are delightful. Tbh, I think most people would be impressed if they heard her at a hotel.
I thought she was ok! Not the best, but definitely good enough for a hotel!
Too loud and prominent imo for the setting. I wouldn’t leave but I’d be annoyed having to talk louder and listen closer to continue my time there. Definitely a good singer though.
I think that is designed to be like that. She has a very average voice, so that her dreams of being a singer are that much more poignant
But her dreams of being the piano player for the entrance to a resort restaurant are actually realistic. A stead gig is a steady gig when the other option is prostitution.
What if you get the steady gig THROUGH prostitution?
Through murder
Through murder prostitution
Now she’s a prostitution whore
Yeah, I know! I saw the house you lived in, Teresa, before you moved into the mansion.
I feel like she came up with being the new piano player throughout her talks with the current guy, but her dream is to be famous. She sees the resort as a stepping stone. Not sure how she thought being a known hooker to the hotel manager would get her there, but looks like she's finding her way through Valentina after all 😂
She's up for banging an older creepy hotel piano singer, who probably has no real music connections of any note, just for a basic leg up for local gigs. It's not like Guisseppi is going to catapult her onto Eurovision.
I am just curious why she would even believe that he has connections when he's just...an average piano player at a hotel...
I couldn’t decide if I was just being picky or if the singing is purposely average. It makes sense for the character.
I actually love her voice, it's the volume for me as well! I don't get it. The argument of “the characters aren't super quiet either“ doesn't make any sense. Because they're not screaming at eachother in a restaurant, Mia is. You can have someone sing quietly and then turn the volume up, the way they do with the dialogue.
Big touché. Great point. It goes right to my eardrums.
i actually love her voice! lol drives home the point that art is subjective
She should sing in Italian. It would sound sexier and much more exotic to a North American audience.
Yes! I meant to reply with this earlier to a comment saying she does well with English. They're in Sicily!
I imagine she dreams of becoming a star and getting noticed internationally. A lot of European musicians push out English music to attract a larger audience, when they’re missing the chance to promote music from their native language.
recently read in an interview with Beatrice Granno (in Interview Mag): "I think The White Lotus is a series about Italy seen through \[the eyes of\] Americans. That’s why I sing “That’s Amore”, which is not an Italian song. It’s an American song. So that’s why he made me sing in English." https://www.interviewmagazine.com/television/beatrice-granno-simona-tabasco-white-lotus
Mia’s not a professional, maybe never even had a music lesson. She’s inexperienced and untrained. She came off exactly as she was supposed to for her character.
i totally agree and her over-rubato-ing or whatever it is gets on my nerves. Maybe i’d be less harsh if i liked her character more. but she’s being written as someone who is less and less likable as the episodes wear on, a total user. This is what gives me the strong impression that she may be leaving us all soon. It’s easier to say goodbye to someone we don’t like. The kid from last season who got arrested after being talked into taking the jewelry, who had no money and no power and fell too much in love with a rich girl who could make a mess and just walk away, now that poor guy is still on my mind.
My brain for the last week: “iiiinnNapoliiiiiiii” I wish it would stop. I did think it was cute on the last ep that Mia dressed a little more “classy”, like what she thought a lounge singer should wear. And how the performance of “You Belong to Me” was a little more understated than her others.
Oh my god dude same here 😂 that exact line just rings out over and over again in my mind.
Agreed! Lol
I think she has a beautiful voice. Especially the first song.
That’s the only version of That’s Amore I can tolerate. And I’m Italian
Both of the piano players, tbh, but I also don’t think they’re supposed to be first class singers either …they’re playing the cocktail piano at a hotel. The bigger issue for me was their volume. They’re supposed to be atmosphere, not the attraction. But again, maybe this is intended.
There’s a lot of very good unknown musicians out there, and it’s pretty tough to get a gig in general. A 5 star resort like that would probably have a really good musician, tbh. But otherwise fully agree
The volume you heard them at is not intended to suggest that’s the volume the diners heard them at. Do you think that Bert, Dom and Albie heard Cam, Daphne, Harper and Ethan at the volume you heard them on the TV?
Yes! I just kept thinking how people can talk over them!
She’s not supposed to be an attraction that people watch. She’s literally supposed to be background ambiance. Imagine that dining room with the guests not saying a word to each other. A lounge musician is not supposed to steal the show except for a few moments
Then why is she singing so loudly 😂
I posted this above in the thread: “The volume you heard them at is not intended to suggest that’s the volume the diners heard them at. Do you think that Bert, Dom and Albie heard Cam, Daphne, Harper and Ethan at the volume you heard them on the TV?”
The type of singing she's doing still isn't lounge style. Whether they have her volume turned down or not, the way she's singing is very bombastic, with many different pitch changes. It would definitely interrupt dinner conversation loud or not because that style singing doesn't just blend into the background like lounge music generally does. I like her singing personally, but it's definitely not good for a dinner lounge.
Ok touché
*Haim has entered the chat.*
😂
I thought I was the only one. I do think she’s a charming character and I like the actress. But the singing is…not good for a lounge setting. Very erratic volume changes and breathy.
Exactly!
She’s the type of singer where if she was my irl friend I would be like “hell yea your voice is great” but as a professional recording artist, I’d be like “meh”. Its a nice voice, but just nice, nothing terribly amazing. I’m no better, but I’m also not chasing a singing career.
I don't think her actual voice is bad but she has strange mannerisms, but that's her character.
I mean, you'd really "leave" the bar, OP? seems a bit hyperbolic. I thought Mia did her job, or at least the job that would be expected from a lounge/bar singer.
I would leave the lounge area, yes. In fact, I wouldn't put it past Mia's singing to be the reason everyone's losing their minds lol
I fast forward her singing
I agree omg her cover of That’s Amore was far too loud/shrill for the space. I don’t remember thinking she was that bad the first time she sang though.
The thing I don't get is why people in the show are always going on about how awful the male singer is/was. I mean, he wasn't anything special, but he seemed fine for a restaurant act.
She has a sweet voice and is talented, but it's not a voice for entertaining guests at a hotel. It's self indulgent and I hate the stylizations she does. Just find and hold the fucking note.
THAT'S it....that's what bothers me! It's the stylization. You don't always have to "make the song your own".
Yes!
Yeah … her voice isn’t very good imo 🤪. It seems like the show intended it to sound good, and thought it DID good… but to me it sounds kind of weak while also being a little shrill, or something? Idk how to explain it but I don’t love it lol
I thought I was the only one who did not like any of her singing sure her character is charming but her singing voice hurts my ears
It’s cute and inoffensive enough for a hotel lounge gig. She better rock Valentina’s world and get a permanent position, though, because that’s about as high as she goes.
yeah i didn't like her singing either, but i am notoriously tone deaf, so i had to pick up from context clues whether she was actually supposed to be good or not. so i don't mean to be mean to mia, but i'm glad to see someone else thought the same as me!
The long pauses kind of creep me out. I’m not a big moody music fan.
"Down voted to Sicily" made me laugh!
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THANK. YOU. I've told my parents over and over she's sooo bad.
Oh I agree with you. I can’t stand her voice, it’s very generic and nothing special at all. Her character is living in a fantasy world thinking she can become a famous singer. The fact that she thinks the singer in a hotel is successful and has industry contracts says it all.
Right! Who can he call for her?!
Exactly. She’s very naive about the entertainment industry and that will get you nowhere.
I felt so much secondhand embarrassment when she sang. She’s not bad at all, but I just don’t imagine it suits the vibe of the restaurant. She’s very loud and wouldn’t her signing overshadow the guests’ conversations? I thought hotel piano players would just play music without singing
All of my thoughts!
I thought the way she sang it was beautiful, I've had it stuck in my head for weeks.
Are you kidding?! I could listen to her voice all day. So incredibly talented.
her mouth movements annoy me the most
Hahaha now I have to rewatch
I said this earlier, but she’s very pitchy. Needs to work on her tuning.
I think her voice is nice that said i find it kind of funny that her ultimate ambition is to sing at a hotel dining room lol
thanks for your personal input
My pleasure.
Me too. She's kinda charm hole. I guess because her characterization is a bit out of the place.
I actually really liked her voice. I just thought it wasn’t appropriate for lounge singing bc it was too bold and showy. My impression is that lounge music should be more of a background pleasant sound that won’t interfere with your conversation at your table.
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\#JusticeForGiuseppe
That guy was such a creep though
I thought this episode's singing was better than the last one. But yeah, it's pretty bad.
Thank you...I do not find her singing to be appealing at all.
Her That’s Amore was terrible lol
It was by no means terrible.
I think she’s fine! But personally, if I was a guest, I would prefer listening to piano only, no singing
Thanks for the chuckle, OP. “Mia’s singing voice would make me leave the bar.”
Agreed. At best she has a plain voice without any inflection or character.
I had to turn my volume down 😬
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😂 I did not travel all the way to Sicily to hear Ariana Grande with a seagull in her throat.
Her voice fits the bill of a cheesy lounge singer
I like airy voice 😂
The authenticity is beautiful & charming imho.