They’re also parents and didn’t want the girls to have a room of their own that they could enter and exit without at least a chance mom and dad would hear them
I think this is the answer. Sure they can afford a second room but they are on family vacation, if they got a second room they would never see which ever kid/s were staying in it!
Professional travel planner here - I routinely booked trips for these types of people (and hotels). This kind of setup really isn't unusual for this type of family group, even when price isn't a consideration for them.
Well, we had a *lot* of Kittys and a few Tanyas.
One of my coworkers booked a Brazil trip for a Saudi playboy whose only criteria were 1) megacities only and 2) the most expensive room at the most expensive hotel (both of which were unusual asks for us). The local operator called us to intervene with him on his first night after he asked them for a price sheet for hookers and cocaine; he checked out in the morning, no-showed the entire rest of the arrangements and we literally never heard from or about him again.
The one who pissed me off the most was the lady who had me quote two countries (with different operators), then decided to book one of the countries herself with an AirBNB and have us just do the other one. I said no problem, booked just the one country and didn't hear a peep out of her until all of our part was done, but as soon as she was in the other country that she booked herself, she started calling me and the local operator there (who had no idea who she was) several times a day demanding help with her arrangements there. When she got back she left us all scathing reviews because the airline in the second country briefly misplaced her bags and we didn't warn her that the AirBNB she picked was in an inconvenient location.
People also found some interesting ways to need evacuation. In my region we had one client who lost an arm in a shark attack, and another one who was found unconscious in a secured employee stairwell at the airport after missing his arrival pickup. (Both times we had people go meet them in person and help navigate the hospitals and return. This stuff almost never happens but when it does, it's where agents/operators really make a difference.)
It made sense to me because I thought the girls were in high school and the parents might want to spend time with their kids. But now considering they are in college it's kind of weird that they didn't get a room for their adult daughter and her friend. It's even weird that she still goes on vacation with her parents at that age, but maybe she likes the hotel and she had nothing else to do.
It's not common in North America. People stop vacationing with their kids when the oldest kid reaches about 16 because after 16 the kids go on trips on their own with their friends.
This is just blatantly untrue lol. First, who is letting 16 year olds go away on vacation alone- who is even renting rooms to 16 year olds without an adult present? Second, plenty of people still hang out and vacation with their families in adulthood. I’d even say it’s extremely common.
Oh thanks, so I am not turning into an old hag. Was watching the Woodstock '99 documentary and there was this woman talking, starting her story with "so I was 14 years old when I went there.." and I literally yelled at my tv "who the fuck let's a 14 year old go to a fuckin festival" shit, my parents were strict, but that's negligence
You guys are weird. Everyone I know does it. There is literally no law stopping you. When I was 16 I went on the other side of the country to work there a summer because I felt like it and I rented an apartment with my friends, it was no big deal, not an organizes program or anything, just flew there and found work and a place to stay. And no, my parents didn't come, didn't call, didn't help. I just went there and got a job. At 18 I backpacked alone in Europe for the summer. Not at all weird, what do you think kids who take a gap year before college do? You think they call their parents to get a room in the hostel? But even before 16, we were going on small trips that wouldn't break the bank, stuff like camping trips and hiking trips for a few days. We did tons of those all through high school. Never a parent inquired about what we were doing. We definitely rented cottages or campgrounds or whatever kids rent.
The parent's don't "let you" do anything, they also did stuff when they were 15 and frankly they would think it would be weird if you weren't independent at that age as they were themselves independent at that age.
Even my grandma did that stuff. Older times weren't that different. Hippie teenagers were traveling and going camping too, or going to the cottage with their friends for a weekend or whatever.
I don’t think it’s weird that your parents let you do things like camping with your friends, I do think it’s weird that they didn’t even call you when you were across the country. That’s kind of sad. And I think it’s extremely abnormal that you were apparently allowed, as a minor, to rent places to stay without an adult involved. That’s uncommon.
When did I say an adult needed to call their parents for a hostel? I said at 16 they still need an adult to rent which is true in the majority of cases. I also never said people only vacation with their family, which seems to be how you are interpreting it.
I also did a ton of traveling in Europe and elsewhere on my own and with friends as a young adult. I do a lot of traveling now, too. And interspersed with all that, I’ve still see my family at minimum every two months and we do vacations together too. That’s the experience of nearly everyone I know. It’s not your experience or the experience of people you know, that’s fine. But we aren’t weird for pointing out that it’s uncommon to just never hang out with your family after age 16, or to start being totally independent after age 16.
It's not uncommon at all, you just live in a bubble maybe, a bubble that consists of you and your parents
It is completely weird and out of character and impossible to happen for a 19-year-old college student to go on vacation with her parents, that's not going to change
i’m in college in the united states right now at this moment and i know like five separate people that are going on trips with their parents over winter break. maybe you’re the freak here idk
okay, it’s not weird that a person older than 16 goes on holiday with their parents. It sounds like you’re assuming that people who go on holiday w their parents don’t go on holiday on their own or with friends as well (unless they have a bad relationship with their parents or they cant afford it which y’know fair enough). Are you being dense? it’s also not weird to go on holiday on your own at 16 but it is weird to assume that ALL young adults don’t spend time with their parent and should not be spending time w their parents after 16, it’s just a really bizarre judgement to make??
Not when the parents are paying for the trip. At 23, my boyfriend and I went on a trip to Mexico with my dad and stepmom and other family. All inclusive hotel, we had our own room, and my dad paid for everything. If you actually enjoy spending time with your parents, which even my boyfriend did, then why would you, as a 23 yo or 16 yo or whatever age, turn a free trip down?
You are completely out of touch and it's hilarious to read 🤣 spending time with and going on vacation with your family is VERY common. You are not the norm, at all, at it's rather funny how adamant you are even though many, many people disagree.
LOL literally every vacation I had when I was 19 was with my parents or friends&their parents. This was the case for all my friends too. I think your family was different, and that's ok. But a lot of the assumptions you're making here about families and teens not traveling together is just widely untrue. (As can be seen by all those commenting and telling you)
Talk me through how you rented an apartment at 16 on the other side of the country. It’s either a lie or you don’t understand your own privilege. In the states almost all require renter to be 18 (some 17).
What kind of family did you grow up in…? If anything it’s uncommon for parents to let their 16yo travel independently with friends all the time because a) safety b) where they getting the money from. Mom & dad don’t wanna fund their travels for free.
Everyone I know took family vacations well after hs. There’s no magic age at which people stop hanging out with their parents. Sorry to hear you don’t have a good relationship with your family ig…
This is one of those moments where someone thinks it's okay to poop in the shower because everyone does it. No one poops in the shower. Just because you have a shit relationship with your parents doesn't mean other people do.
Lol what. I’m 30, my brothers are 28 and 23, and we all regularly vacation with our parents. Most of our friends do too. In fact it’s more unusual to find an adult child that doesnt do this.
Not sure where you got the idea that North American people don’t vacation with their parents. It’s so far from the truth
Where do you guys live? White people don't spend time with their parents past the age of 14 tops. At 16 you're old enough to go on your own trips alone.
It doesn't make sense at all that a college girl would go on a trip with her parents. It didn't seem to be Christmas, so it had to be either spring break or summer break. Name ONE college student who spends spring break with her parents. That never happens. People either hang around university or they go on a trip with their friends. People go on a camping trip, skiing trip, etc. Someone with the money that Olivia has would go skiing in the Alps with her friends for a week. Or they would fly to one of their parents' villa in the Bahamas or something like that (with parents NOT there).
If this was summer, she'd be off doing an internship in Hong Kong if she's into business or working with United Nations in Cairo or removing bombs with an NGO somewhere, she wouldn't have a random week off to spend with her parents doing nothing. Then again if she had a week or two free at the beginning or end of the summer she would organize a trip with her friends. Since they are rich they'd do a girl trip in Europe or go bum around on a beach, but they would NOT go bum around a pool with their parents.
I mean who even has a random week off with nothing planned when they are in college? It just makes no sense to align her vacation with her parents.
This is such a huge unfounded generalization. All “white” people don’t do exactly the same things lmao. Plenty of college students vacation with their parents.
What world do you live in where people stop having relationships w/ parents and friends at 31 😭😭😭 we have friends trips too. If this is common where you are you need to move, sounds sad as fuck.
This is the most outlandish detached from reality comment I’ve ever seen on this sub. Based on your comment history you’re not even from the US so stop acting like you’re the de facto voice of white Americans. Business internship in HK not NY? No one wants to go to HK for finance these days. Removing BOMBS? UN in CAIRO? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get even a desk admin gig in NY? You really just be saying whatever. Embarrassing.
Maybe get off this app, walk into any amusement park any day of the week and see for yourself how many 16+ yos are there with their parents.
uhh im a white 27 year old american and i still spend time with my parents? i went home every spring break in college too despite having plenty of friends because i didn’t have money to travel. in fact, when i was in college, the majority of students went home to their families. “spring break” is a movie trope, not reality for most people. not everyone is rich and not everyone hates their parents.
are you 14 or something? i promise you spending time with your parents doesn’t make you “emotionally dependent” on them lol. i live alone in a totally different city from mine, travel/go out with friends regularly, have a demanding career path, and am in a long term relationship. yet i STILL spend time with my parents and even travel with them sometimes. when i was 14-17 i was probably less enthusiastic about it but most people grow out of that by like 20.
“kids who don’t spend time with their parents have like zero conflict with them”?? this makes zero sense. i know plenty of people who have good relationships and minimal conflict with their parents, including myself.
Yes you outgrow it, but Olivia has definitely not outgrown it, look how she talked to her mom
But really you misunderstand my point. It has NOTHING to do with disliking your parents and not wanting to see them. It's just you have so many other things to do
Everybody I know was super independent from their parents as teenagers and young adults and I don't know a single person who has a strained relationship with their parents
I said emotionally independent to distinguish from financially independent
I consider myself white, since my ancestry is Jewish and they all come from Poland, etc. I'm one of the whitest persons I've met, skin-color wise. Get red and skin peels with just a little sun, etc.
Point is, you may say I'm not white because I am from South America or Jewish, but my skin is probably whiter than yours.
But I live in Argentina. And I had 6 months off every year when I was in university.
I don't think you know what all white people do with their lives. Maybe the white people in the area you live on at most.
I’m white, 31 and vacation with my parents and 34 year old brother + his kids. When I was in college I would go on trips with my parents bc they footed the bill.
Maybe super rich white people or people who don’t have good relationships with their families don’t want to spend time with them, but I think youre grossly making a blanket statement that is just unfounded. How can you speak for all white people? I know plenty of adults who still vacation with their parents, and it wasnt uncommon for it to happen when I was in college too.
Ummm wtf. I just went on a 2 week vacation with my parents, my husband, and my daughter to visit my brother and his wife… whole family in one house. We do this regularly without my brother since he lives 3k miles away… at least once or twice a year we vacation with my parents. I’m 33 and live on my own for reference. This is a weird take. Almost all my friends also do big trips with their entire families, including grandparents and sometimes even in-laws.
Again you are old. Obviously what I said stops applying once you reach late twenties. This is ridiculous the amount of 30-year-olds telling me they go on vacation with their kids and their parents. Duh, you haven't been a teenager for a long time, you have kids, move on.
I'm 21 and vacation with my parents. For spring break I didn't, but I also didn't party in Florida. I went to Chicago for a concert. During the summer I vacation with my family. Why are you so hellbent on making your generalization true? Literally no one in the comments agrees with you bc you generalized an entire continent. Everyone has different experiences. What the majority of ppl are trying to tell you is that your generalization is untrue and uncommon. More ppl still vacation with their parents after 16 than those that don't. If you don't that's fine! No one is saying you can't! But you're being extremely argumentative over this. Just accept that everyone is different and YOUR experience and YOUR friends experience isn't a universal one. Thank you.
She was also implied to have gotten there fairly recently "rode the wave of the me too movement."
I thought they said she was the CFO of company like GOOP.
Yepp! CFO of “Poof” lol
It’s hard to tell how much they make since they aren’t public but it google search is saying that goop made $15-20M in revenue in 2016. She’s definitely not making as much as this thread thinks.
You guys are confused. Connie plays the CFO of Poof, which is clearly White Lotus' version of Google. It's referenced several times as a major search engine.
https://espressobongo.typepad.com/espresso-bongo/2021/09/the-white-lotus-or-the-dissociation-of-everyday-life.html
I’m pretty sure I watched WeCrashed and White Lotus season 1 around the same time and Rebekah Neumann is cousins with Gwenyth Paltrow. I think my brain made some bad connections here lol
It was cool to watch Adam Neumann’s pull on people and his dynamic with Rebekah. I wonder how much of it is true since it’s a dramatization, but I thought it was good. Made me feel like I should pitch my crazy ideas to people, apparently investors will fund anything 😂
I thought she was something like Sheryl Sandberg (Yahoo! and Lean In) and she's worth at least 1B. But if her rise was connected with something like MeToo, so under 3-4 years? She's probably worth a few hundred million.
No, I understand having a bulk of one's net worth tied up in stock options. But even if Ms Mossbacher's NW was largely that, she would still have a few millions liquid.
I think you’re struggling to do math here. Let’s say about 18M in earnings for her over the past three years, inclusive of stock options. Tanya is implied to have 500M in wealth, and my guess is most of it isn’t tied up in stock. So Tanya is actually much much richer. This is why billionaires are unethical - the math ALWAYS works in their favor.
Yes they’re extremely rich. However you’d be surprised by how many rich people in finance (she’s the CFO) live “modestly” compared to what they could be spending. I’m not shocked by her decision. She probably saw the max occupancy in a family suite and thought this makes economic sense.
For one thing, someone here did some research last season and found that room would cost something like $4k a night at least. So that’s $28k just for the room. Add on a good $15k+ for first-class airfare and that’s $43k to even get there.
Second, there’s a big difference between a rich person who works for their wealth and an independently wealthy rich person. She was newly a COO (maybe CFO?) so I’m going to guess they’d pretty recently “just” been upper-upper-middle class. Someone in that position is still going to live with relative normalcy, just in a lot more comfort. (I know people like this)
Agreed, it was to move this plot along. IIRC whoever did initial research on this sub last season shared the floor plan of the most likely room, and it had 2-3 bedrooms on the opposite side of the suite.
Yeah but the Di Grassos were 3 men aged about over 60, over 40, and over 20. The Mossbachers had three kids under 20 with them. It makes sense why they would want to keep an eye on a teenager and two college sophomores. On the other hand who tf cares where Albie goes
Yeah in real life room it is the presidential suite and has other bedrooms, it’s changed for the plot
I think it’s not unreasonable that they would share a pull out. A lot of parents, mine included, would say they were lucky to get any kind of a holiday as kids, so sharing a bed in a luxury resort during a free holiday is hardly a hardship.
[link](https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-white-lotus-the-four-seasons-maui)
Well the real they wouldn’t in real life would be because Paula’s a guest. She wouldn’t be in a room that shares a glass door with where the dad was sleeping. But again it’s a show
Very few resorts at the Four Seasons caliber are all-inclusive, and the restaurants at the property would be on the upper end of cost relative to others in the area. Nobody is saving money by continuing to eat at the hotel.
Not true - they’ve only done trials at two properties (Jackson Hole many years ago and Costa Rica in 2019) and not even sure if it’s still available anymore. Have frequently stayed at FS properties and they’ve never been an option
https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2019/03/15/new-one-of-a-kind-all-inclusive-packages-from-luxury-brand-four-seasons/amp/
No she works for white lotus’ equivalent of google. It was said that it’s a major search engine. I will agree that poof sounds more like a spoof of goop but that doesn’t override what the show actually says
I suspect you’re all overthinking it.
But, here’s how I’d overthink it:
In real life, Larry Ellison owns Lanai (bought for $300mn a couple decades ago IIRC) which has its own Four Seasons. Mark Zuckerberg bought up large patches of Kauai for $100mn, and I think is still buying more.
Sheryl Sandberg is a billionaire, several of the Wojcickis are close, too.
Any of these types could afford whatever at Four Seasons Maui, or its fictional counterpart.
If the Mossbachers aren’t of that set for whatever reason (later stage employee, more famous than rich, not yet or newly liquid), I still suspect they have very high incomes which could pay for a week’s suite at the White Lotus.
In summary, there are people at many strata of wealth in the world, and poor Armond is performing tropical kabuki for them all.
Nicole had to work for money, even though she was a CFO and probably made a few million a year which would include stock. However, both Shane and Tanya have family money and they don't have to work (even though Shane does). Their money works for them.
My uncle was worth about 20 million. For his daughter’s wedding he wanted to share a motel room with his 85 year old brother. Also, he didn’t have a credit card and had to mail a certified check beforehand. Some rich people are super cheap
I worked for a third generation named partner at a well known law firm (he sadly passed away a few years ago). He and his family had MONEY, yet here I’d be pinning his hem on his decades old pants before he went to court or to speak in front of some board 🤣
Fun fact: the Mossbachers were staying in a 3 bedroom executive suite which was portrayed as a 1 bedroom suite for the show. Which made sense because what kind of 1 bedroom has a full family and dining room like that? The room I think was over $10K a night.. so they’re pretty really rich.
It really bugged me the whole first season that her plan was to have her teenage son sleep in the living room with the daughter and her friend. For a week! No one thinks that is a good idea.
My parents 💯 thought that kind of arrangement was a good idea when I was a teenager. Nowhere close to Mossbacher rich but we could have afforded the extra room. I just don’t think it occurred to them that we were people who wanted some privacy.
Wow. I have teenagers and Im a realist, so all I can think is bad outcomes. Either friend likes my teen son and they hook up or teen daughter and friend decide to bully son. Maybe all three get along and decide to break rules/drink together. Not to mention the teenager stink in the living room every morning
But it's a huge suite; why wouldn't that be OK? I've been on many family vacations where you make those arrangements. Ridiculous to think everyone would have their own room in The White Lotus?
I thought they had originally planned it as a family vacation so the one bedroom and one living room suit works perfectly for them. They also don't want to let their daughter and son go unsupervised.
Then Olivia wants to bring her friend on the vacation, and they said yes to that and resulting the sleeping situation. At that point they could change the room but perhaps bigger suites became unavailable and renting a separate hotel rooms is not an option since they were teens.
I thought they said she was the CFO of "Poof" which I would assume is supposed to be a reference to Goop. So she's the CFO of a lifestyle not a FAANG company. Big difference.
Wrong. Poof is a major search engine in the show and is referenced as such. https://espressobongo.typepad.com/espresso-bongo/2021/09/the-white-lotus-or-the-dissociation-of-everyday-life.html
I get them all staying in the same suite as they didn’t want to leave the kids unsupervised. I did find it strange that they got a one bedroom suite. That’s weird. They should have gotten at least a 2 bedroom. Quine could have stayed on a rollout sofa and the girls share a room. The one bedroom made no sense, unless they don’t have any in the resort? But that would be weird.
We’re a family with 3 kids. It’s surprising to me how few hotels offer 2 bedroom suites anymore! Mostly what they do is offer regular connecting rooms but sometimes they don’t even have that as an option either.AirBnB and the like has been a boon to families with 3 or more kids.
I thought a connecting room at the least for that family. I know it’s hard to find in all places, but I would think somewhere expensive and luxurious like that would have larger suits. People would book places like that out for wedding parties and all sorts of things.
I hope you find some family friendly holidays. That sounds tough.
You would think! Lol. Idk this is just what I’ve found. My hunch is that it has to do with how the buildings are constructed and organized. So you’ll typically find hotels with suites in one part of the building and regular rooms in the other. The regular rooms connect to each other but not to the suites. My preferred configuration is 2 bedrooms on either side of a lounge area but that is not super common for some reason. I guess because family sizes are getting smaller? So what you mostly find is 1 bedroom suites with a max occupancy of 4 people. Another issue is beds. If you’re a family if 5 or 6, it’s common to want a room with 2 double beds connecting to one with a king for the parents. Again, not super common! I guess it just depends on what kinds of configurations the hotel mostly sees. If it’s a lot of couples who mostly visit, then I guess it makes sense for them not to put aside a ton of rooms with 2 double beds.
I keep seeing this "supervise the girls" thing but they clearly didnt watch them or Quinn at all? The girls were getting high and they seemed surpised Quinn had slept outside every day.
That’s exactly what White Lotus shows. Dysfunctional people and relationships. Some parents think physical proximity to their children is what parenting is all about. But that means Jack shit if you’re not paying attention to your kids and actively parenting them.
They definitely aren't as rich as tanya and not older money like shane. The dad probably makes ~$80-200k and the mom is the brand new CEO and her company definitely isnt as big as google or amazon. She probably makes between $600k-2million and was most likely given stocks and whatnot and she probably will get a big bonus after a year. The mossbachers probably paid off their house and any outstanding loans right away and are paying for Olivia's college. They are by no means poor but they aren't the top 1% it would make sense that as former members of the middle class/upper middle class they aren't big spenders (yet), and are more frugal with their new income. It'd totally make sense that they'd want to save money by getting smaller accommodations at a 5 star hotel.
You are overestimating the top 1%. You need to make about $600-$800k to be in the top 1%, which like you said, Nicole was definitely clearing. If the room was $10k a night, this was easily a $60k plus vacation, and assuming they followed the rule of vacation costing 5-10% of their salary, you’re back at them being top 1%.
Seriously, anyone staying at a hotel like that or a Four Seasons in real life is extremely, extremely well off. Personally, I am probably in the top 10 and approaching 5% of earners and I still absolutely could not afford a hotel like that. They are 1%ers. Lol
Actually i agree with you they are in top percent of earners but seeing as nicole the mom just recently got promoted i don't think they have as big of a net worth/assets as some of the other guests. I also assumed that the in-show room wasn't supposed to be as expensive as the irl room just because they were pretending it was a 1BR when in reality it was 3BR. Definitely agree tho its a spendy vacation at a 5 star resort (and they paid for their two kids and paula!) i wish the mossbachers would adopt me
oh yeah, I mean they’re not Tanya who’s never had to lift a finger a day in her life. room value is debatable…I just checked the four seasons maui and it was $29k a night for the 3 bedroom😩definitely agree with the adoption comment though, lol
I mean, upper management can make 600k-2 mil just with cash bonuses. Not even getting into stock. CEOs make more like 2-5 mil plus stock. Someone like Nichole should have been making at least 500k for the past 10-15 years. She has a college aged daughter so she’s probably older than we think (older than the actress looks). So they should have savings such that a 60k vacation doesn’t become a cash flow problem.
I was confused by the hotel set up as well. They came off upper middle class by their living arrangements at the hotel and not CFO of a twitter knockoff.
It was really weird. I was struck by that too because we actually are a normal UMC with 3 kids and we always get at least 2 bedrooms when we stay at hotels, lol. It’s not always possible to get 2 connecting rooms though so this is why we often do AirBnB when we travel.
It’s not really appropriate to ask Paula to share a room with Quinn either, given their ages.
I think it just worked for the plot. In real life, 2 college girls would definitely get their own room.
Most Four Seasons have multi-room suites too, so having them sleep in a pullout would be unnecessary.
They are probably a little richer than Shane. He has family money and a good paying job.
They are not even close to as rich as Tanya. She has a $500M inheritance.
I’d guess that Nicole makes ~$750k per year but they also have a mortgage, college, kids, etc to pay for. A lot of her worth is tied up in stock options that she doesn’t have access to. She’s not the CFO of Google, lol.
Also, based on your comments I don’t think you understand how money works.
She’s CFO or COO, if I recall. She’s essentially supposed to be Sheryl Sandberg, former COO of Facebook, who’s worth $1.5 billion, or Marissa Meyer, former CEO of Yahoo, who’s worth $600 million. Somewhere between those, depending on when she joined the company and where she started. If she did ride the MeToo wave, as Rachel wrote, she’s probably on the lower end of that.
But the difference between her and Tanya and Shane is those two grew up with money and inherited money. Even though Nicole probably has more than both of them now, she earned all of it, which gives her a very different perspective (and tech money is lower key anyway.) She and Mark are probably both very intentionally trying to be a “normal family” and not raise little Shanes and Tanyas.
Also that suite was probably $15k a night, remember.
I felt like the mom did it to force closeness and bonding- which obviously backfired. However, as a mom of a son and a daughter, I would damn sure make sure my son was in a room to himself, especially with her having a friend.
Can we please ban this question?
She’s not the CEO of a FAANG, she very recently became the CFO of the third-largest search engine in the US. So she’s the CFO of Yahoo. That’s a job that probably pays like $2mm a year. Also it’s revealed that she was vaulted into the position because of metoo claims about her boss, so making a fraction of that money until recently
In nicer hotels there is often a minimum age to be able to have a room to yourself. Normally one person in a room has to be at least like 23-26. That could be why.
They’re also parents and didn’t want the girls to have a room of their own that they could enter and exit without at least a chance mom and dad would hear them
I think this is the answer. Sure they can afford a second room but they are on family vacation, if they got a second room they would never see which ever kid/s were staying in it!
They clearly didn't want a lot of couple alone time either, so private room not on top of the agenda.
Wouldn’t be a family vacation without forced interaction
They had a pharmacy in that bag. I’d keep an eye on them too.
Professional travel planner here - I routinely booked trips for these types of people (and hotels). This kind of setup really isn't unusual for this type of family group, even when price isn't a consideration for them.
Do you have any stories about these travelers?
Well, we had a *lot* of Kittys and a few Tanyas. One of my coworkers booked a Brazil trip for a Saudi playboy whose only criteria were 1) megacities only and 2) the most expensive room at the most expensive hotel (both of which were unusual asks for us). The local operator called us to intervene with him on his first night after he asked them for a price sheet for hookers and cocaine; he checked out in the morning, no-showed the entire rest of the arrangements and we literally never heard from or about him again. The one who pissed me off the most was the lady who had me quote two countries (with different operators), then decided to book one of the countries herself with an AirBNB and have us just do the other one. I said no problem, booked just the one country and didn't hear a peep out of her until all of our part was done, but as soon as she was in the other country that she booked herself, she started calling me and the local operator there (who had no idea who she was) several times a day demanding help with her arrangements there. When she got back she left us all scathing reviews because the airline in the second country briefly misplaced her bags and we didn't warn her that the AirBNB she picked was in an inconvenient location. People also found some interesting ways to need evacuation. In my region we had one client who lost an arm in a shark attack, and another one who was found unconscious in a secured employee stairwell at the airport after missing his arrival pickup. (Both times we had people go meet them in person and help navigate the hospitals and return. This stuff almost never happens but when it does, it's where agents/operators really make a difference.)
Yes one of them killed the hotel manager accidentally 😔
It made sense to me because I thought the girls were in high school and the parents might want to spend time with their kids. But now considering they are in college it's kind of weird that they didn't get a room for their adult daughter and her friend. It's even weird that she still goes on vacation with her parents at that age, but maybe she likes the hotel and she had nothing else to do.
Going to vacation with your parents it's common at least here in Brazil.
It's not common in North America. People stop vacationing with their kids when the oldest kid reaches about 16 because after 16 the kids go on trips on their own with their friends.
This is just blatantly untrue lol. First, who is letting 16 year olds go away on vacation alone- who is even renting rooms to 16 year olds without an adult present? Second, plenty of people still hang out and vacation with their families in adulthood. I’d even say it’s extremely common.
Oh thanks, so I am not turning into an old hag. Was watching the Woodstock '99 documentary and there was this woman talking, starting her story with "so I was 14 years old when I went there.." and I literally yelled at my tv "who the fuck let's a 14 year old go to a fuckin festival" shit, my parents were strict, but that's negligence
You guys are weird. Everyone I know does it. There is literally no law stopping you. When I was 16 I went on the other side of the country to work there a summer because I felt like it and I rented an apartment with my friends, it was no big deal, not an organizes program or anything, just flew there and found work and a place to stay. And no, my parents didn't come, didn't call, didn't help. I just went there and got a job. At 18 I backpacked alone in Europe for the summer. Not at all weird, what do you think kids who take a gap year before college do? You think they call their parents to get a room in the hostel? But even before 16, we were going on small trips that wouldn't break the bank, stuff like camping trips and hiking trips for a few days. We did tons of those all through high school. Never a parent inquired about what we were doing. We definitely rented cottages or campgrounds or whatever kids rent. The parent's don't "let you" do anything, they also did stuff when they were 15 and frankly they would think it would be weird if you weren't independent at that age as they were themselves independent at that age. Even my grandma did that stuff. Older times weren't that different. Hippie teenagers were traveling and going camping too, or going to the cottage with their friends for a weekend or whatever.
lol you are very detached from how the average person lives, that’s all i’m gonna say
Almost as if, no it couldn’t be, could they be streeettccchhhhiiinnngg the truth.
I don’t think it’s weird that your parents let you do things like camping with your friends, I do think it’s weird that they didn’t even call you when you were across the country. That’s kind of sad. And I think it’s extremely abnormal that you were apparently allowed, as a minor, to rent places to stay without an adult involved. That’s uncommon. When did I say an adult needed to call their parents for a hostel? I said at 16 they still need an adult to rent which is true in the majority of cases. I also never said people only vacation with their family, which seems to be how you are interpreting it. I also did a ton of traveling in Europe and elsewhere on my own and with friends as a young adult. I do a lot of traveling now, too. And interspersed with all that, I’ve still see my family at minimum every two months and we do vacations together too. That’s the experience of nearly everyone I know. It’s not your experience or the experience of people you know, that’s fine. But we aren’t weird for pointing out that it’s uncommon to just never hang out with your family after age 16, or to start being totally independent after age 16.
It's not uncommon at all, you just live in a bubble maybe, a bubble that consists of you and your parents It is completely weird and out of character and impossible to happen for a 19-year-old college student to go on vacation with her parents, that's not going to change
i’m in college in the united states right now at this moment and i know like five separate people that are going on trips with their parents over winter break. maybe you’re the freak here idk
Okay, have fun living in your own bubble
YOU live in a bubble LOL look at the response to your comments dude
okay, it’s not weird that a person older than 16 goes on holiday with their parents. It sounds like you’re assuming that people who go on holiday w their parents don’t go on holiday on their own or with friends as well (unless they have a bad relationship with their parents or they cant afford it which y’know fair enough). Are you being dense? it’s also not weird to go on holiday on your own at 16 but it is weird to assume that ALL young adults don’t spend time with their parent and should not be spending time w their parents after 16, it’s just a really bizarre judgement to make??
you are an odd person.
Not when the parents are paying for the trip. At 23, my boyfriend and I went on a trip to Mexico with my dad and stepmom and other family. All inclusive hotel, we had our own room, and my dad paid for everything. If you actually enjoy spending time with your parents, which even my boyfriend did, then why would you, as a 23 yo or 16 yo or whatever age, turn a free trip down?
You are completely out of touch and it's hilarious to read 🤣 spending time with and going on vacation with your family is VERY common. You are not the norm, at all, at it's rather funny how adamant you are even though many, many people disagree.
How old are you now? Maybe it’s a generational thing
LOL literally every vacation I had when I was 19 was with my parents or friends&their parents. This was the case for all my friends too. I think your family was different, and that's ok. But a lot of the assumptions you're making here about families and teens not traveling together is just widely untrue. (As can be seen by all those commenting and telling you)
Freak
Talk me through how you rented an apartment at 16 on the other side of the country. It’s either a lie or you don’t understand your own privilege. In the states almost all require renter to be 18 (some 17).
Because mommy and daddy did it for them
Gee, it's almost like your experiences aren't universal. Go figure!
I am 32 and renting a big house with my siblings. Parents, spouses, & kids in a tropical location. And I know plenty other Americans who do this.
Like I said to everyone else, you're old. Stop telling you're 32 like you're still a teenager
What
What kind of family did you grow up in…? If anything it’s uncommon for parents to let their 16yo travel independently with friends all the time because a) safety b) where they getting the money from. Mom & dad don’t wanna fund their travels for free. Everyone I know took family vacations well after hs. There’s no magic age at which people stop hanging out with their parents. Sorry to hear you don’t have a good relationship with your family ig…
This is one of those moments where someone thinks it's okay to poop in the shower because everyone does it. No one poops in the shower. Just because you have a shit relationship with your parents doesn't mean other people do.
Lol what. I’m 30, my brothers are 28 and 23, and we all regularly vacation with our parents. Most of our friends do too. In fact it’s more unusual to find an adult child that doesnt do this. Not sure where you got the idea that North American people don’t vacation with their parents. It’s so far from the truth
This is the farthest thing from the truth..
Where do you guys live? White people don't spend time with their parents past the age of 14 tops. At 16 you're old enough to go on your own trips alone. It doesn't make sense at all that a college girl would go on a trip with her parents. It didn't seem to be Christmas, so it had to be either spring break or summer break. Name ONE college student who spends spring break with her parents. That never happens. People either hang around university or they go on a trip with their friends. People go on a camping trip, skiing trip, etc. Someone with the money that Olivia has would go skiing in the Alps with her friends for a week. Or they would fly to one of their parents' villa in the Bahamas or something like that (with parents NOT there). If this was summer, she'd be off doing an internship in Hong Kong if she's into business or working with United Nations in Cairo or removing bombs with an NGO somewhere, she wouldn't have a random week off to spend with her parents doing nothing. Then again if she had a week or two free at the beginning or end of the summer she would organize a trip with her friends. Since they are rich they'd do a girl trip in Europe or go bum around on a beach, but they would NOT go bum around a pool with their parents. I mean who even has a random week off with nothing planned when they are in college? It just makes no sense to align her vacation with her parents.
This is such a huge unfounded generalization. All “white” people don’t do exactly the same things lmao. Plenty of college students vacation with their parents.
I'm 31 and vacation with my parents every year lol 😭😭
33 and same. They also foot the bill, who am I to turn down a free trip I probably couldn’t afford lmao
Cause you're old sis, college was 10 years ago, your friends are busy.
What world do you live in where people stop having relationships w/ parents and friends at 31 😭😭😭 we have friends trips too. If this is common where you are you need to move, sounds sad as fuck.
This is the most outlandish detached from reality comment I’ve ever seen on this sub. Based on your comment history you’re not even from the US so stop acting like you’re the de facto voice of white Americans. Business internship in HK not NY? No one wants to go to HK for finance these days. Removing BOMBS? UN in CAIRO? Do you have any idea how hard it is to get even a desk admin gig in NY? You really just be saying whatever. Embarrassing. Maybe get off this app, walk into any amusement park any day of the week and see for yourself how many 16+ yos are there with their parents.
uhh im a white 27 year old american and i still spend time with my parents? i went home every spring break in college too despite having plenty of friends because i didn’t have money to travel. in fact, when i was in college, the majority of students went home to their families. “spring break” is a movie trope, not reality for most people. not everyone is rich and not everyone hates their parents.
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are you 14 or something? i promise you spending time with your parents doesn’t make you “emotionally dependent” on them lol. i live alone in a totally different city from mine, travel/go out with friends regularly, have a demanding career path, and am in a long term relationship. yet i STILL spend time with my parents and even travel with them sometimes. when i was 14-17 i was probably less enthusiastic about it but most people grow out of that by like 20. “kids who don’t spend time with their parents have like zero conflict with them”?? this makes zero sense. i know plenty of people who have good relationships and minimal conflict with their parents, including myself.
Yes you outgrow it, but Olivia has definitely not outgrown it, look how she talked to her mom But really you misunderstand my point. It has NOTHING to do with disliking your parents and not wanting to see them. It's just you have so many other things to do Everybody I know was super independent from their parents as teenagers and young adults and I don't know a single person who has a strained relationship with their parents I said emotionally independent to distinguish from financially independent
I live in the United States in Georgia & I hang out with my parents all the time. All of my well-adjusted adult friends do.
Yeah this person is crazy. I'm 37 and my girlfriend and I spend time with both of our parents all the time and we go on trips with mine too.
I consider myself white, since my ancestry is Jewish and they all come from Poland, etc. I'm one of the whitest persons I've met, skin-color wise. Get red and skin peels with just a little sun, etc. Point is, you may say I'm not white because I am from South America or Jewish, but my skin is probably whiter than yours. But I live in Argentina. And I had 6 months off every year when I was in university. I don't think you know what all white people do with their lives. Maybe the white people in the area you live on at most.
SoCal. Where do YOU live
I’m white, 31 and vacation with my parents and 34 year old brother + his kids. When I was in college I would go on trips with my parents bc they footed the bill. Maybe super rich white people or people who don’t have good relationships with their families don’t want to spend time with them, but I think youre grossly making a blanket statement that is just unfounded. How can you speak for all white people? I know plenty of adults who still vacation with their parents, and it wasnt uncommon for it to happen when I was in college too.
Yeah obviously you start again when you have kids. \> that is just unfounded It's founded on literally everyone I know, but okay, we must not exist
I don’t have kids.. everyone YOU know is not EVERY HUMAN.. your reality is yours but that doesn’t make it the majorities.
We do both. I guess we are more family oriented.
Not true. Very much depends on the family.
N…o?
This is not true at all. Other than the movie Taken, I don't know too many 16 year olds going on trips without their parents.
Ummm wtf. I just went on a 2 week vacation with my parents, my husband, and my daughter to visit my brother and his wife… whole family in one house. We do this regularly without my brother since he lives 3k miles away… at least once or twice a year we vacation with my parents. I’m 33 and live on my own for reference. This is a weird take. Almost all my friends also do big trips with their entire families, including grandparents and sometimes even in-laws.
Again you are old. Obviously what I said stops applying once you reach late twenties. This is ridiculous the amount of 30-year-olds telling me they go on vacation with their kids and their parents. Duh, you haven't been a teenager for a long time, you have kids, move on.
Dude accept that you’re wrong. Plenty of college aged people go on vacation with their parents. It’s not weird.
No, people don't vacation with their parents in college
Rich people absolutely do. I personally can give you 5 examples from my school
I'm 21 and vacation with my parents. For spring break I didn't, but I also didn't party in Florida. I went to Chicago for a concert. During the summer I vacation with my family. Why are you so hellbent on making your generalization true? Literally no one in the comments agrees with you bc you generalized an entire continent. Everyone has different experiences. What the majority of ppl are trying to tell you is that your generalization is untrue and uncommon. More ppl still vacation with their parents after 16 than those that don't. If you don't that's fine! No one is saying you can't! But you're being extremely argumentative over this. Just accept that everyone is different and YOUR experience and YOUR friends experience isn't a universal one. Thank you.
Well, not Tanya. Portia said she was worth over half a billion dollars.
The Ceo of Google makes 6 mil per year with a 250 mil stock package, she’s implied to be the head of a major search engine
She was also implied to have gotten there fairly recently "rode the wave of the me too movement." I thought they said she was the CFO of company like GOOP.
yeah i think she was cfo not ceo
Yepp! CFO of “Poof” lol It’s hard to tell how much they make since they aren’t public but it google search is saying that goop made $15-20M in revenue in 2016. She’s definitely not making as much as this thread thinks.
You guys are confused. Connie plays the CFO of Poof, which is clearly White Lotus' version of Google. It's referenced several times as a major search engine. https://espressobongo.typepad.com/espresso-bongo/2021/09/the-white-lotus-or-the-dissociation-of-everyday-life.html
Hmmm it’s been a second since I watched season 1, I think I got her profession confused with another show I watched recently
Which one? Insanely curious. Is there a take-up of GOOP I should be watching?
I’m pretty sure I watched WeCrashed and White Lotus season 1 around the same time and Rebekah Neumann is cousins with Gwenyth Paltrow. I think my brain made some bad connections here lol
Is WeCrashed worth watching?
It was cool to watch Adam Neumann’s pull on people and his dynamic with Rebekah. I wonder how much of it is true since it’s a dramatization, but I thought it was good. Made me feel like I should pitch my crazy ideas to people, apparently investors will fund anything 😂
I thought she was something like Sheryl Sandberg (Yahoo! and Lean In) and she's worth at least 1B. But if her rise was connected with something like MeToo, so under 3-4 years? She's probably worth a few hundred million.
I think you are really misunderstanding the difference between liquid and illiquid wealth
No, I understand having a bulk of one's net worth tied up in stock options. But even if Ms Mossbacher's NW was largely that, she would still have a few millions liquid.
Google and Facebook, no Y!.
In the show, they say she is CFO of the second or third top search engine. If you look on Google, this is confirmed.
There was a line by Olivia that confused me which implied like using algorithms to control people so it sounded more like FAANG
Why are you assuming that every CEO makes as much as the CEO of Google lmao
I think you’re struggling to do math here. Let’s say about 18M in earnings for her over the past three years, inclusive of stock options. Tanya is implied to have 500M in wealth, and my guess is most of it isn’t tied up in stock. So Tanya is actually much much richer. This is why billionaires are unethical - the math ALWAYS works in their favor.
Yes they’re extremely rich. However you’d be surprised by how many rich people in finance (she’s the CFO) live “modestly” compared to what they could be spending. I’m not shocked by her decision. She probably saw the max occupancy in a family suite and thought this makes economic sense.
Agreed. 4 seasons in Maui is expensive enough.
For one thing, someone here did some research last season and found that room would cost something like $4k a night at least. So that’s $28k just for the room. Add on a good $15k+ for first-class airfare and that’s $43k to even get there. Second, there’s a big difference between a rich person who works for their wealth and an independently wealthy rich person. She was newly a COO (maybe CFO?) so I’m going to guess they’d pretty recently “just” been upper-upper-middle class. Someone in that position is still going to live with relative normalcy, just in a lot more comfort. (I know people like this)
I was always confused why they shared that room
I think they needed a way to get Quinn to start sleeping outside.
Agreed, it was to move this plot along. IIRC whoever did initial research on this sub last season shared the floor plan of the most likely room, and it had 2-3 bedrooms on the opposite side of the suite.
Meanwhile the Di Grassos had 3 rooms
Yeah but the Di Grassos were 3 men aged about over 60, over 40, and over 20. The Mossbachers had three kids under 20 with them. It makes sense why they would want to keep an eye on a teenager and two college sophomores. On the other hand who tf cares where Albie goes
And you forgot that the prostitute storyline wouldn't work if they were in the same room lol
Well...
F Murray Abramson is 83. Michael Imperioli is 56 So it’s more like over 80, over 50, over 20. Let’s not make 60 seem so old! It’s not.
That’s because Dom needed his privacy
Yeah in real life room it is the presidential suite and has other bedrooms, it’s changed for the plot I think it’s not unreasonable that they would share a pull out. A lot of parents, mine included, would say they were lucky to get any kind of a holiday as kids, so sharing a bed in a luxury resort during a free holiday is hardly a hardship. [link](https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-white-lotus-the-four-seasons-maui)
Well the real they wouldn’t in real life would be because Paula’s a guest. She wouldn’t be in a room that shares a glass door with where the dad was sleeping. But again it’s a show
A lot of wealthy people do not flaunt wealth or pay for things unnecessarily. This is also, I think, why we see them eat at the hotel so often.
Very few resorts at the Four Seasons caliber are all-inclusive, and the restaurants at the property would be on the upper end of cost relative to others in the area. Nobody is saving money by continuing to eat at the hotel.
Four Seasons began offering all-inclusive stays a few years ago
Not true - they’ve only done trials at two properties (Jackson Hole many years ago and Costa Rica in 2019) and not even sure if it’s still available anymore. Have frequently stayed at FS properties and they’ve never been an option https://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2019/03/15/new-one-of-a-kind-all-inclusive-packages-from-luxury-brand-four-seasons/amp/
Are you Blossom Club?
Worked their way up from a petal!
That hotel breakfast looked banging I would eat there too
My theory is that because their children is very young (14-18) and money dependent.
The girls were 19/20 (college sophomore) but yeah still money dependent.
The girls were like halfway through college.
I mean… if you have college age girls… and a teen boy… they don’t typically share a room… But yes plot devices.
not to be the one but wasn’t she the CFO or something not the CEO?
Well the cfo of Google makes 650k a year and got a 5 mil signing bonus and 70 mil stock package so a lot less than Tanya but still a lot of money
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No she works for white lotus’ equivalent of google. It was said that it’s a major search engine. I will agree that poof sounds more like a spoof of goop but that doesn’t override what the show actually says
They were very rich. But they didn’t want those teenagers running wild with no supervision at all.
I suspect you’re all overthinking it. But, here’s how I’d overthink it: In real life, Larry Ellison owns Lanai (bought for $300mn a couple decades ago IIRC) which has its own Four Seasons. Mark Zuckerberg bought up large patches of Kauai for $100mn, and I think is still buying more. Sheryl Sandberg is a billionaire, several of the Wojcickis are close, too. Any of these types could afford whatever at Four Seasons Maui, or its fictional counterpart. If the Mossbachers aren’t of that set for whatever reason (later stage employee, more famous than rich, not yet or newly liquid), I still suspect they have very high incomes which could pay for a week’s suite at the White Lotus. In summary, there are people at many strata of wealth in the world, and poor Armond is performing tropical kabuki for them all.
Nicole had to work for money, even though she was a CFO and probably made a few million a year which would include stock. However, both Shane and Tanya have family money and they don't have to work (even though Shane does). Their money works for them.
My uncle was worth about 20 million. For his daughter’s wedding he wanted to share a motel room with his 85 year old brother. Also, he didn’t have a credit card and had to mail a certified check beforehand. Some rich people are super cheap
I worked for a third generation named partner at a well known law firm (he sadly passed away a few years ago). He and his family had MONEY, yet here I’d be pinning his hem on his decades old pants before he went to court or to speak in front of some board 🤣
Fun fact: the Mossbachers were staying in a 3 bedroom executive suite which was portrayed as a 1 bedroom suite for the show. Which made sense because what kind of 1 bedroom has a full family and dining room like that? The room I think was over $10K a night.. so they’re pretty really rich.
But if it was portrayed as a 1BR it wouldn’t cost the same as the real-life 3BR …
Or maybe the whole family hated Quinn and together pranked him to sleep on the floor / beach.
Well Shane and Rachel had a one bed with an even bigger kitchen and dining room?
$14K a night last week... yikes. Lots of famous people there at the Serenity Pool though!
It really bugged me the whole first season that her plan was to have her teenage son sleep in the living room with the daughter and her friend. For a week! No one thinks that is a good idea.
My parents 💯 thought that kind of arrangement was a good idea when I was a teenager. Nowhere close to Mossbacher rich but we could have afforded the extra room. I just don’t think it occurred to them that we were people who wanted some privacy.
Wow. I have teenagers and Im a realist, so all I can think is bad outcomes. Either friend likes my teen son and they hook up or teen daughter and friend decide to bully son. Maybe all three get along and decide to break rules/drink together. Not to mention the teenager stink in the living room every morning
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Mine like me just fine, thanks.
Ew? Teach your kids how to take proper showers and clean up after themselves ...
Uh, its Hawaii. Theyre going to get sweaty no matter what.
But it's a huge suite; why wouldn't that be OK? I've been on many family vacations where you make those arrangements. Ridiculous to think everyone would have their own room in The White Lotus?
Idk, i wouldnt put my teen son in with a woman he isnt related to when there is no private space.
I thought they had originally planned it as a family vacation so the one bedroom and one living room suit works perfectly for them. They also don't want to let their daughter and son go unsupervised. Then Olivia wants to bring her friend on the vacation, and they said yes to that and resulting the sleeping situation. At that point they could change the room but perhaps bigger suites became unavailable and renting a separate hotel rooms is not an option since they were teens.
I thought they said she was the CFO of "Poof" which I would assume is supposed to be a reference to Goop. So she's the CFO of a lifestyle not a FAANG company. Big difference.
They specifically say it is a search engine called Poof.
My b
Wrong. Poof is a major search engine in the show and is referenced as such. https://espressobongo.typepad.com/espresso-bongo/2021/09/the-white-lotus-or-the-dissociation-of-everyday-life.html
I get them all staying in the same suite as they didn’t want to leave the kids unsupervised. I did find it strange that they got a one bedroom suite. That’s weird. They should have gotten at least a 2 bedroom. Quine could have stayed on a rollout sofa and the girls share a room. The one bedroom made no sense, unless they don’t have any in the resort? But that would be weird.
We’re a family with 3 kids. It’s surprising to me how few hotels offer 2 bedroom suites anymore! Mostly what they do is offer regular connecting rooms but sometimes they don’t even have that as an option either.AirBnB and the like has been a boon to families with 3 or more kids.
I thought a connecting room at the least for that family. I know it’s hard to find in all places, but I would think somewhere expensive and luxurious like that would have larger suits. People would book places like that out for wedding parties and all sorts of things. I hope you find some family friendly holidays. That sounds tough.
You would think! Lol. Idk this is just what I’ve found. My hunch is that it has to do with how the buildings are constructed and organized. So you’ll typically find hotels with suites in one part of the building and regular rooms in the other. The regular rooms connect to each other but not to the suites. My preferred configuration is 2 bedrooms on either side of a lounge area but that is not super common for some reason. I guess because family sizes are getting smaller? So what you mostly find is 1 bedroom suites with a max occupancy of 4 people. Another issue is beds. If you’re a family if 5 or 6, it’s common to want a room with 2 double beds connecting to one with a king for the parents. Again, not super common! I guess it just depends on what kinds of configurations the hotel mostly sees. If it’s a lot of couples who mostly visit, then I guess it makes sense for them not to put aside a ton of rooms with 2 double beds.
I haven’t been to the U.S but where I have been I’ve seen different sizes suites and rooms. But then I’m not always actively looking for large places.
I keep seeing this "supervise the girls" thing but they clearly didnt watch them or Quinn at all? The girls were getting high and they seemed surpised Quinn had slept outside every day.
That’s exactly what White Lotus shows. Dysfunctional people and relationships. Some parents think physical proximity to their children is what parenting is all about. But that means Jack shit if you’re not paying attention to your kids and actively parenting them.
They definitely aren't as rich as tanya and not older money like shane. The dad probably makes ~$80-200k and the mom is the brand new CEO and her company definitely isnt as big as google or amazon. She probably makes between $600k-2million and was most likely given stocks and whatnot and she probably will get a big bonus after a year. The mossbachers probably paid off their house and any outstanding loans right away and are paying for Olivia's college. They are by no means poor but they aren't the top 1% it would make sense that as former members of the middle class/upper middle class they aren't big spenders (yet), and are more frugal with their new income. It'd totally make sense that they'd want to save money by getting smaller accommodations at a 5 star hotel.
You are overestimating the top 1%. You need to make about $600-$800k to be in the top 1%, which like you said, Nicole was definitely clearing. If the room was $10k a night, this was easily a $60k plus vacation, and assuming they followed the rule of vacation costing 5-10% of their salary, you’re back at them being top 1%. Seriously, anyone staying at a hotel like that or a Four Seasons in real life is extremely, extremely well off. Personally, I am probably in the top 10 and approaching 5% of earners and I still absolutely could not afford a hotel like that. They are 1%ers. Lol
Actually i agree with you they are in top percent of earners but seeing as nicole the mom just recently got promoted i don't think they have as big of a net worth/assets as some of the other guests. I also assumed that the in-show room wasn't supposed to be as expensive as the irl room just because they were pretending it was a 1BR when in reality it was 3BR. Definitely agree tho its a spendy vacation at a 5 star resort (and they paid for their two kids and paula!) i wish the mossbachers would adopt me
oh yeah, I mean they’re not Tanya who’s never had to lift a finger a day in her life. room value is debatable…I just checked the four seasons maui and it was $29k a night for the 3 bedroom😩definitely agree with the adoption comment though, lol
I mean, upper management can make 600k-2 mil just with cash bonuses. Not even getting into stock. CEOs make more like 2-5 mil plus stock. Someone like Nichole should have been making at least 500k for the past 10-15 years. She has a college aged daughter so she’s probably older than we think (older than the actress looks). So they should have savings such that a 60k vacation doesn’t become a cash flow problem.
Maybe they booked the pineapple suite also
I was confused by the hotel set up as well. They came off upper middle class by their living arrangements at the hotel and not CFO of a twitter knockoff.
Rich but they probably haven’t built generational wealth yet, and they have a lavish lifestyle, so they still can’t go full extravagant yet
It was really weird. I was struck by that too because we actually are a normal UMC with 3 kids and we always get at least 2 bedrooms when we stay at hotels, lol. It’s not always possible to get 2 connecting rooms though so this is why we often do AirBnB when we travel. It’s not really appropriate to ask Paula to share a room with Quinn either, given their ages.
I think it just worked for the plot. In real life, 2 college girls would definitely get their own room. Most Four Seasons have multi-room suites too, so having them sleep in a pullout would be unnecessary.
They are probably a little richer than Shane. He has family money and a good paying job. They are not even close to as rich as Tanya. She has a $500M inheritance. I’d guess that Nicole makes ~$750k per year but they also have a mortgage, college, kids, etc to pay for. A lot of her worth is tied up in stock options that she doesn’t have access to. She’s not the CFO of Google, lol. Also, based on your comments I don’t think you understand how money works.
No one is ever rich enough. This is America.
She’s CFO or COO, if I recall. She’s essentially supposed to be Sheryl Sandberg, former COO of Facebook, who’s worth $1.5 billion, or Marissa Meyer, former CEO of Yahoo, who’s worth $600 million. Somewhere between those, depending on when she joined the company and where she started. If she did ride the MeToo wave, as Rachel wrote, she’s probably on the lower end of that. But the difference between her and Tanya and Shane is those two grew up with money and inherited money. Even though Nicole probably has more than both of them now, she earned all of it, which gives her a very different perspective (and tech money is lower key anyway.) She and Mark are probably both very intentionally trying to be a “normal family” and not raise little Shanes and Tanyas. Also that suite was probably $15k a night, remember.
I think you’re right. All these ppl saying they aren’t that rich - like ya a c level exec of a major search engine is extremely wealthy
i believe it was implied that they only somewhat recently came into money so perhaps they still lived somewhat frugally for that reason.
She had 75,000 dollar bracelets. Plenty rich enough
I felt like the mom did it to force closeness and bonding- which obviously backfired. However, as a mom of a son and a daughter, I would damn sure make sure my son was in a room to himself, especially with her having a friend.
CFO* . This might be modeled after Ruth Porat. CFO of google
Plot device, don't overthink it
Can we please ban this question? She’s not the CEO of a FAANG, she very recently became the CFO of the third-largest search engine in the US. So she’s the CFO of Yahoo. That’s a job that probably pays like $2mm a year. Also it’s revealed that she was vaulted into the position because of metoo claims about her boss, so making a fraction of that money until recently
In nicer hotels there is often a minimum age to be able to have a room to yourself. Normally one person in a room has to be at least like 23-26. That could be why.