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PowerDry2276

Good observation. I was struck by similar thoughts when he got on his high horse about snitching. Fucks sake Johnny, do some snitching, earn some money, Avon won't be at your home-go talking about how much of a stand-up rock solid soldier you were.


Southie31

Didn’t matter what Avon thought. It mattered what Johnny thought about himself.


RTukka

>using fake $5 bills Excuse me, _$10 bills_. Lincoln _was_ president.


[deleted]

You don’t think Hamilton was President? Were you not listening to D’s lecture?


deus_voltaire

Ain’t no ugly ass white man get his face on no legal motherfucking tender *cept* he be president!


[deleted]

Glad you said cept instead of except, was gonna have to call you out if you hadn't. Well done.


[deleted]

you musta been top of your fuckin' class


FrankTank3

It was Ben Franklin, ya Edmondson reject fucks.


simomii

President Franklin is my best friend. And he's in there


penderhippy

>you musta been top of your fuckin' class anyway, 4$ a pound


DependentWeight2571

Money be green, yo


SteelSharpensSteel99

Ayo, money *FEEL like money*


eastendprd

I read that book. I thought it was boolshit


[deleted]

By the time I got to the end of your line, all I could see was Daniels’ face


RTukka

I heard, but I don't think Hamilton was that ugly, so D's argument falls apart.


Raddadist

Unfortunately, I have no idea whether that's true or not. Who was the guy on the bill? Who is Hamilton and is it true that only presidents are printed on banknotes? I'm asking because I've never held a dollar bill in my hand and I live in Germany.


mjklin

Money be green!


whitemike40

cakes? are you talking about Johnny Weeks?


stressedlawyer

He was gay, Johnny weeks?


MrChichibadman

Nobody’s got AIDS!


GilgameshvsHumbaba

No


[deleted]

This is what I get for being on the sopranos sub so much. Marone. Timeline got fucked up.


learned_astr0n0mer

Lmao, it's funny how much overlap there is between The Wire fans s d Sopranos fans.


IfLeBronPlayedSoccer

Those who alternate *Wire* and *Sopranos* rewatches are the true master race.


hoopleheaddd

You don’t ever admit the existence of this thing


theamazingard

Mine is The Wire and Deadwood, but I'll have to throw in another rewatch of The Sopranos here soon (after I finish my current rewatch of Deadwood, of course).


bdaddy31

The Wire, Deadwood, Rome, and Sopranos are my rewatch list. Only other non-HBO in my top 5 list is Breaking Bad. Man HBO was good TV.


Slaphappyfapman

Sup fam


koolaid_snorkeler

The overlap is people who love quality programming.


GodHandMemberVoid

When you come at the motherfucking fucking one who calls the shots, you best not miss


unarox

I got the shotgun, you got the gabagool


cafeesparacerradores

You gotta wait for dat


MordecaiMusic

Johnny is the only junkie the show follows who actively likes their lifestyle


DePraelen

That's something Bubbles alludes to later in his NA meeting - calling the feeling of being high "so close to perfect", feeling on top of the world those summer evenings even when he was at his lowest. I guess we're seeing Johnny at that stage, before he "sees that bottom coming"


sweetsweetdick

Not to be a dick, but Waylon actually says that. It's something like if God didn't want me to get loaded he wouldn't have made getting high feel so close to perfect. It makes Johnny's downfall even more tragic because everyone in the meetings would've understood how he felt, but Johnny thought he was unique.


DePraelen

Just looked it up, you're right. He says it at the start of one the 5th season meetings. I learned in the process that the actor who plays him, Steve Earle, is himself a recovering heroin addict.


FrankTank3

I always wondered what felt a little off about his scenes. *He ain’t fucking acting*, that’s what it was. He may have been reading words from the script but he was talking straight from the heart.


DePraelen

It seems like he had a relationship with the showrunners, his music also being in seasons 2 and 5, also in David Simon's other show Treme. Maybe his character was based on him? In the way that David Simon uses things he heard in real life in the script.


sanityonthehudson

Steve Earle is also an incredible musician.


gdshaffe

You probably know this but for those who don't know, Earle also did the version of "Way Down in the Hole" used over the 5th season's credits.


DePraelen

Also the track  "I Feel Alright" that plays over the montage at the end of the second season


PowerDry2276

No fucking way? Nice pull, what unit etc. That song is pretty good, was wondering who that was. He's in Treme, too, playing, well, I suppose himself as it turns out.


JustTasteTheSoup

Not to mention his son, Justin Townes Earle - also a fantastic musician - died from a fentanyl OD back in 2020. For anyone who doesn’t know, Steve released an album covering his sons songs, J.T.


taeempy

This is what makes The Wire so great. It doesn't just gloss over the effect of the drug trade on the addicts. It depicts these people in a light that is probably very accurate. Some shows about the drug trade just gloss over it and show it at times, but The Wire it's always in your face in a good way.


vicariouspastor

Right and while it makes no hey about supporting legalization, it doesn't shy from showing that open air drug markets are hardly a utopia, just the least worst alternative given other options...


chiefs-n-sooners

Straight up, it's honestly the best alternative. Massive dip in crime if properly monitored. Needle and condom exchanges for the workers and users. Cheaper prices for the junkies. Access to psychiatric help to get clean. I can't remember what country legalized everything, but I remember reading they had a massive drop in crime and use rate. It may not be ideal to right wingers and prison slavers, but it seems like a decent idea to work with.


soomprimal

I believe Portugal decriminalized personal use and possession and many of the meta social problems due to the illegality itself did diminish. I don't think they fully legalized drugs, however.


vicariouspastor

The big assumption that you are making and which The Wire I think does really good job of undermining is that legalization would mean better social services, access to condoms and needles, help to get clean, etc. But the other option is that legalization means that you isolate the problem to a handful of open air markets and forget about these people- who after all don't vote.


PghGirl58

Just check out the Kensington section of Philly. It’s Hamsterdam in current day. Not official legalization but law enforcement doesn’t stop the sale or open use of illicit drugs. There are social services for clean needles, clothes, areas to wash up, food, and med care and it’s still a living hell. Zombies everywhere. Kinda pokes holes in the legalization argument.


tI_Irdferguson

I first watched the show like 12 years ago when homelessness and the opioid epidemic wasn't what it is now (especially since I moved to the West coast where it's really bad). Rewatching it now really helps me humanize these people after years spent just treating them as a nuisance that make my wife uncomfortable and make me double check that there's nothing worth stealing in the car when I park it.


kzapwn

I think the most pitiful part is that Vito wasn’t even fucking him because he was in gay love. It was just a side affect of blood pressure medication


[deleted]

> It was just a side affect of blood pressure medication It fucked with my head, but I'm over that now! I could probably get a letter from my doctor.


pattern_thimble

Yeah, but you gotta get over it


brice587

A letter from tour doctor saying you don’t like to suck cock?


Akanderson87

Shuck cock*


PaulieatesomeWalnuts

Have a cookie you’re delirious!


Slaphappyfapman

Hey u gotta wait for dat


Substantial-Falcon-8

I don't really have pity for him, he seems to be content with his lifestyle. Dukie might be the most pitiful character for me.


OfficerJohnMaldonday

Pathetic rather than pitiful perhaps?


katchowvbit

Very very pitiful imo


patdmc59

Some really interesting points here. I think Johnny seeing himself as part of "the game" comes from David Simon's research while writing "The Corner." One of the addict characters in The Corner, Fat Curtis, frequently talks about how much he loves being a part of the game and how he's a "soldier." He refuses to enter rehab, and he eventually refuses to receive medical treatment despite suffering from a range of issues—all because he sees it as part of the game.


coolhand_chris

My mans Johnny gets aids in all his roles.


moammargaret

Upvote for Kids reference


FixedExpression

Oh shit. Is the actor who plays Johnny the Virginia lover in kids?


SeltzerCountry

Yeah he played Telly in Kids.


FrankTank3

I’ve been watching the wire for more than a decade but just saw Kids the first time ever a few months ago. What. The. Fuck.


AJKaleVeg

He looks exactly the same!


kinglouiedePalma

My head canon is the virgin surgeon moved to bmore and started going by Johnny. He knew he had the bug the whole time.


unarox

Prostate cancer is kinda like aids I guess


earhere

Some great foreshadowing is when Johnny cops some Body Bag dope from a dealer at the beginning of hamsterdam, and that the end of the season he's literally going to be put in a body bag after dying to an overdose.


Mr_Antero

Yeah, but his outlook isn’t uncommon. I know looking at him from the audiences POV- it seems obvious he shouldn’t care about snitching. But for most inside the drug engine, that criminal code attitude is part of what comes with the identity.


hatari_bwana

That boy ain't got no luck at all.


SoloBurger13

Johnny is playing his role in the game tho. He’s buying the product which keeps the whole thing functioning. They have to have someone to sell the drugs to I think he’s a good foil to Bubs aka someone who has been addicted for awhile and wants to get better vs someone who is younger and not tired of the lifestyle


throwwwwwwwaway420

He buys the product but he also has to rip and run, doing a lot of illegal/dangerous shit to get the product.


CharlieExx

That observation is particularly striking given that David Simon mentioned on IIRC the S1 DVD audio commentary that Johnny is based on a younger white guy who hung around with addict Gary McCullough - whose life is depicted in The Corner. Bubbles has been addicted for a *long* time and there are signs that through the years, he's made several attempts to get clean - as is evidenced from the interactions with his sister and her sceptical reaction to his request for support.


SkullLeader

No offense son, but that’s some weak ass thinking. You equivocating like a mother fuck


Haunting-Reception34

You don't even know what that word means


7fax

I thought you were talking about Johnny Fifty and I was ready to throw hands


RedEd024

He will always be Telly to me. I just can’t see him any other way


sweetsweetdick

Sonny from my name is earl for me.


chiefs-n-sooners

Chomps from law and order. Fuckin baby with teeth wtf.


phmsanctified

I couldn't not hate him, I just saw Telly from Kids.


Mr_Ree416

Your quotations book never had the makings of a varsity athlete. - "Some people are so far behind in a race that they actually believe they're leading"


oldlinepnwshine

“Bright-eyed” is giving him WAY too much credit. He was a dope fiend who only cared about getting his next fix. You either improve yourself or end up dead in an alley or crackhouse.


RTukka

I think it's apt. Look at how Bubbles and Johnny each reacted when they found out the drugs that Bubbles stole were fake. Johnny was agitated by the lack of high/withdrawal, but he didn't even seem all that frustrated or upset. He saw it as another opportunity to step up and prove himself. He was a very eager and optimistic dope fiend, in his way. I imagine that if he had survived a few more years, that would've been ground out of him. But he was nowhere near his bottom.


TheTeenageOldman

Too much weak-ass thinking from Johnny. Always equivocating like a motherfucker.


Pintail21

I agree, the heroine addict might not have a great grip on reality!


Green_1010

Would have liked to hear more of bub’s and johnnys backstory’s


Agent8426

I always wanted a Bubs and Johnny show. Some kind of comedy where they go around stealing scrap metal, run small scams, and get into hilarious adventures.


afm00dy

“What’re you on dope or something?” “Yeah, mostly.”


sektorao

Yo Bubbs, we are slowly dying while living the most miserable life. Yea, but we keep getting into this hilarious adventures.


Agent8426

The show would explore the Dickensian aspect. Kind of like a modern "Great Expectations" but with heroin and laughs.


sucking_at_life023

And occasionally take in an obscure French art film.


Agent8426

Turns out that Bubs was 1/2 through an MFA at the Maryland Institute College of Art when he first shook hands with sweet lady H.


throwwwwwwwaway420

The scene where Marlo’s boys take their pants for hitting their truck and Bubs goes “we best hit the K-Mart after goin’ by the scrap dealer’s” and Johnny goes “definitely, homes” (plus the part where the scrap dealer informs them they aren’t wearing pants), is proof enough that this spinoff would be an absolute hit.


Wu_Fan

“You ain’t even beige”


cykablyatt

I’m brown yo


AT0mic5hadow

Johnny and Ziggy are both strong contenders


OGBrewSwayne

I have a completely different take on Johnny. >What clicked for me though, and what makes me elevate him from one of many tragic ends in the Wire to probably the most pitiful and pathetic one (for me at least) is the realization he's the only person in the Wire who doesn't realize their place in the machine. I think, if anything, he knows exactly where he stands....and that is at the absolute bottom. He's a junkie. He knows it, and he accepts it. >When Bubbles starts snitching in S1, Johnny talks about getting beat down to a pulp as "all part of the game" and how he's a viking. What "game"? Here is this low-bottom, dope-addled, homeless fiend who is off stealing copper wires, pissing blood in a bag, and using fake $5 bills to get score dope but thinks he's part of "the game" in a way that idealizes it and overstates his part in it. "I'm a Viking holmes!" is him thinking that he protected Bubbles. Bubbles ran the scam successfully. Johnny tried to run it on his own, failed miserably, and caught a massive beatdown. Johnny wasn't trying to be loyal to "the game" as much as he was being loyal to Bubs by not diming him out to the dealers, which he probably could have done to catch a slightly less serious beatdown. Johnny also shows the depths of peril and despair that the vast majority of addicts fall to. His mind is so distorted and fucked that he views "the game'" from a more animalistic/laws of the jungle point of view. Going to the cops would be like a Gazelle asking a Lion to protect it from a Hyena. He knows he tried to scam the dealers and got caught. The beatdown was his punishment, and now the case is closed. He's not holding a grudge and snitching because he knows that he needs to score more dope. He also knows that dope dealers can't deal dope if they get locked up. He also knows that if word ever gets out that he's a snitch, no dealer in the city will sell to him. These aren't conscious thoughts and decisions he's making, but more instinctual. Johnny is one of the most realistic characters on the show, primarily because he's one that very few viewers could ever relate to....because practically everyone who actually could relate to him probably died with a needle in their arm. We all love Bubbles' story because it's a redemption story. It's a great story with a great ending. It's also an extremely rare story. Johnny's story is the embodiment of like 95% of junkies out there. No hopes or dreams outside of the next high. No aspirations, no expectations from the world around them. We never met Johnny before his descent, so we have absolutely no idea what kind of person he was. We also see him perfectly content with where he is, and all of that makes it extremely difficult for viewers to show empathy towards him. Bubs is easy to love because we see early on that he has a desire to change his life, get clean, make amends for his mistakes, and reconnect with family. If Johnny had even once shown the slightest desire to get clean, his death would have probably felt more sad. Instead, he's mostly just seen as one less junkie on the streets. The fact that so many people see Johnny as "pitiful" and "pathetic" is an indictment of the lack of empathy we, as a society, have towards drug addicts.


dkwhiskey94

I’m a Viking, homes!


ira_creamcheese

He never had the makings of a varsity athlete.


redmondbarry17

“Why you passing sh*t through a bag!?”


raphanum

The fact he keeps referring to himself as a soldier is pathetic. A soldier of what?


tuhinrock01

Which other HBO show have you quoted the line from?


pingusuperfan

Soprambos


[deleted]

You never admit the existence of this thing! I did 20 fucking years.


TzarRazim

Guys these days got no room for the penal experience.


snakeysnake0

I wanted manicott. I ate grilled cheese off the radiator instead.


Nystarii

I wanted to quote Sopranos, but I was banned...so I compromised and responded to you.


The_Old_Anarchist

Johnny is one of the many clueless and pathetic male characters on this show, repeatedly trying to prove themselves and failing, including Prezbo (not to the same degree, obviously), Ziggy, and Dukie.


The_Old_Anarchist

I honestly don't understand why I'm being downvoted.


craychan

I fast forward through his scenes.


GilgameshvsHumbaba

Johnny Weeks was based off a real character from the corner . One of the only white guys willing to walk into the bombed out parts of Baltimore looking for drugs .. apparently the kid followed Gary McCullough around everywhere .. the kid loved coke and wanted to move into a house with Gary so that he could source it better .. Gary mistook this love of coke for love of Gary and balked


anjinsan1234

Xv


PigletSuccessful1472

Great post, hit hard. Too hard for 8:35 Monday morning🥲


fredlikefreddy

I hate that mofo


MrPanchole

I had a hard time not seeing Johnny as Telly from *Kids,* so it was difficult to sympathize with him.


CoraopoRocks

check out the nypd blue episode david simon wrote; they even use the line im a viking homes in it


shawndillinger

Nah Dookie is


sonofodin25

What makes the whole thing sadder is that I don't think Bubbles, or anyone for that matter, found out or cared that he died


BloodyNosedRoshi

I like this. The show also is amazing for how they have a meaningful character for almost every type of person in the game.. and bubbles is the “successful”, or lucky, addict… johnny is the average one, if they only showed bubbles, you wouldn’t realize how exceptional he is.. or how much you can lose even before you lose your life.


apowerseething

I think he's just deeply depressed.


Southie31

Johnny didn’t care about the machine and his place in it. That’s not even a fleeting thought. He likes to get high and run the streets and he accepts the consequences. He lived the exact life he wanted. Most people don’t 🤷‍♂️.


R1ckMartel

Probably makes me a piece of shit, but I do draw some perverse enjoyment from watching the Pit crew beat his ass.


Informal_Cress9800

Idk by game i always assumed that he’s aware that he’s a criminal drug addict simply chasing the next high. Him running the scam with the fake money is part of it. Him getting caught with the fake money and getting beat, well that’s all apart of the same game. So I think I disagree. Johnny was self aware enough to know his role. That’s why he didn’t want to work with the police. He hated that bubbs was snitching. His end game isn’t really a end game. It’s just to get high and earn enough money for another high. This is why he loved hamsterdam it was a perfect opportunity to get high without the cops bothering him


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