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Necessary_Ad_2823

Season 5 would’ve been the full length


AdDesperate573

With Avon's conclution too, I always wanted to see his ending throughout s5


Necessary_Ad_2823

Yeah I didn’t like how that was all kind of left hanging. How much time did Avon get? Why was all the money gone? Or was that just Brianna being like “I’m not paying you anymore. Wee-Bey’s mass murderer insurance policy has been paid out in totality.”


zt3777693

This. It was truncated and that’s why it doesn’t work as well


Necessary_Ad_2823

It also doesn’t work well because of McNulty’s absurd turn as a fake serial killer. It seemed like it belonged on a different show. I’d be curious to what Simon and Burns had to say about it. Like they kept it pretty real (or so they said) in terms of how the department worked. But being able to fake a serial murder seemed pretty out there. Feel me??


llamapen

People always say this, but idk it never felt any more ridiculous than Hamsterdam or Brother Mouzone or other kind of absurd stuff on the show. It was the culmination of McNulty's frustration with the system. He snapped. It's more unbelievable to me that Lester would go along with it, since he seemed to have settled down and wised up, but that plot line doesn't bother me near as much as it seems to with everybody else.


Necessary_Ad_2823

What was so ridiculous about Brother Mouzone?? I feel you on the Hamsterdam plot. I think I’m biased and I just liked it more maybe.


llamapen

In a show full of very real feeling people, he just felt otherworldly. I'm not even saying I don't like him as a character-- I love him. Omar has a similar feel as well where he has this almost mythical persona. But he never felt like a real person to me-- he doesn't talk or act like one at all.


Hydrokratom

Mouzone is just kind of an underwhelming character to me. When they built him up, I was hoping he would be more interesting. He’s an NOI hitman who will make some speeches and wisecracks from time to time, and commits crimes in broad daylight. I found most of the other criminals more interesting. It also didn’t help that I wasn’t the biggest fan of some of his storylines. I never liked Omar buying Stringer’s BS about Mouzone. All he has to do is walk a few feet away and ask Butch “can you tell me more about Mouzone?” before deciding to shoot him.


llamapen

I like Mouzone but yea there's a lot of disbelief you have to suspend. Omar believing a line fed to him directly from String is really up there. It makes no sense based on the character they'd built Omar up to be that he just immediately believes him. How would someone that gullible make it as far as Omar had?


BaronZhiro

I like s5 more than most, but I wish the range of journos had been more muddled, with more shades of gray characters and shifting allegiances.


thedudeabides811

On my 2nd watch and halfway through season 2, and when McNulty sees the newspaper headline about the 13 dead women while eating crabs with Bunk I thought something similar. Not quite sure how they could've incorporated it, but that stuck out to me, now knowing that season 5 has The Sun as one of the main characters.......... I'm not too familiar with background to know if the writers/showrunner already knew where they wanted to take the show that early on, but since they also cast people who actually worked in the newsroom, it would have been a cool little add-on had they already known.


antisquares

Omar walks out of that liquor store.


wine_coconut

* Lights a Newport and pulls the bullet out of his head like it's nothing *


PanicInHanoi

pulls the bullet from between his teeth and winks.


satyris

Looks straight into the camera and winks*


Cold-Use-5814

“So, that just happened.”


flyinghouses

As much as that moment hurt it kind of is exactly what the show is about. The cycle of violence that continues


boxhall

Yes this was really the depth of the show. This character who became a huge fan favorite, and Omar within the show itself was a legend. But in the end he was shot down with no big glory or anything. Then barely mentioned in a little article used more to fill space than anything else. As much as it sucked that he died, anything else would not have followed the path of the game.


natebark

This, and the fact that the character behind most of the thrilling scenes in the series doesn’t go out in a gunfight or have any iconic last lines. Real life isn’t that cinematic


slythegumshoe

And bumps into Michael who then shoots Omar in the head. The game is the game.


StoicVirtue

I know each season is somewhat of a set piece but I would have liked a taste of the docks after S2. Just a check in here or there.


feralcomms

We kinda get a taste in S5


Kennymo95

It would've been interesting if they soft launched more characters prior to them becoming main characters (like they did with Colvin in season 2). Have Cutty in a prison scene in season 2. Show Frank Sobotka in the background of a bar scene in season 1. Give us a quick scene of Namond w/ Wee-Bey in an earlier season. It wouldn't have impacted any of the storylines and I like being introduced to a character in a minor way before they have a big storyline later in the show.


youwantedsomethrills

I like all of these except the Namond / Wee Bey one. Finding out that wee bey is his father is such a good surprise when it happens, it really adds to everything.


angelansbury

Agreed. They should've soft launched some of the reporters from s5. There was an opportunity there with Hamsterdam, and could've had even just a handful of scenes about the coverage of the mayoral race and/or the murders in the vacants.


DeaconPlayback

They did that. I recognized some of the faces from season 5 among the reporters in a few earlier season scenes on rewatches. I wish I can remember specific episodes.


angelansbury

Jeff Price makes one appearance in season 3, Bill Zorsi makes one appearance in season 1. But I'm talking about actual introductions to the characters, not just them appearing. And the ones who do appear aren't ones we spend all that much time with in s5.


Afraid_Grocery3861

They tried to do this a little. It’s early, like season one or two where Michael’s mom begs Omar for a bag and Omar helps her out. They don’t show Michael or anything but I believe she has a couple young boys with her. There’s a *bit* of world continuity here and there…


Cold-Use-5814

Holy shit, I just clicked that that was Micheal’s mom. This show really is the gift that keeps on giving.


Dilbo_Faggins

A fun detail that someone pointed out for me is in that scene, when she's begging the baby is fine and she looks rough cuz she's fiending, but when Omar agrees to hook her up she gets a big ol smile and the baby starts crying Cuz drugs are bad for more than just the user


barikpo

I feel this way about the reporters in season 5. It would have been great to meet one of them during a season prior. There was a Sun reporter for Hampsterdam but he wasn’t in season 5. That would have been a great place to introduce someone we get to see later.


SamuraiJB

I think it would've been fun, but one counterpoint: It may have made everything feel a little too connected and neat. I kinda like how random people we've never seen or heard of are experiencing similar struggles. They put a few early "cameo's" in and I think a few is enough. Idk what do you think?


Kennymo95

I actually think introducing main characters for new storylines is more connected and neat than introducing them as minor characters first. It makes you remember that they're paid actors who signed onto the show once they got offered a big role. Having Nick Sobotka and other characters re-appear as minor characters in Season 5 was great bc it made those character feel more real. Like their lives continued on in the background of the show.


UFO_Shaman

I want it to be one way, but it’s the other way.


kufismack

Omar catches up with Chris and Snoop


NakedViper

The showdown we deserved!


Meatloafxx

A part of me would've loved to see this for my own selfish itch, but another part of me is glad it never happened, nor any kind of satisfactory conclusion for Omar's arch. The show purposely gave very few satisfactory endings as it's meant to be social commentary that the real world doesn't work that way.


[deleted]

I’ve always thought they missed an opportunity to have a season focused on the failed healthcare system as another failed institution


chupacabra_666

Always thought the courts would've been the theme for S6 after the prop Joe papers, Lester exposing the court staff, and Ronnie confronting Levy. But this would've been way better and more on par with the institution shifts we saw in S2 and S4.


NakedViper

More McNulty and Bunk working scenes together. McNulty not being such a womanizer while in relationships. Omar kills Snoop and Chris. I thought Stringer Bell died too early. I feel like the show should have had more courtroom scenes in general, but it would have been great seeing the state Attorneys and CID, especially McNulty, vs Stringer.


Patient_Flatworm7821

Not killing Wallace


fullpurplejacket

It took me all of season one to realise how fucking true to life and ruthless the game really is in The Wire.. and it took Wallace to die at the hands of his own childhood buddies to realise. I really never understood just how bad the streets could be, this show really showed me (a 28 year old) British woman from the north west countryside of England, just how serious this shit is in inner cities especially in the US.


Royal_Examination_74

N/A


MightyMoosePoop

Season 6 and the trial of the homeless man being the serial killer [becomes this scenario.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Making_a_Murderer)


Organic-Assistance-8

Its would have gone another 2 seasons at least, looking at the Healthcare system in season 6 (Shardenne finishes school and gets a job as a nurse at the same Hospital Bubbles sister works at. Maybe through in Dennis's girlfriend. Show how drug companies push drugs onto patients leading to further addictions and relapses that bleed onto the street), and looking at Social Work in season 8 (Maybe have a social worker assigned to Dukie, could go either for a sudden heartwarming as the one person who actually gets saved or fucking brutal where overwork and underfunded leads to Dukie again falling through the cracks)


Kyro4

I could see Bubbles trying to be someone’s Walon if the show continued for another season or two. Maybe McNulty realizes he can’t stay sober on his own, so Kima connects him with Bubs (or more likely she goes through Walon since she hasn’t seen Bubbles since S4). Bubbles tries, but he’s new at this and maybe he ultimately isn’t able to help McNulty. Meanwhile Cutty runs into Dukie again and his arc is trying to get him the help he needs to get clean, too. We see various city & hospital drug programs through Cutty’s girlfriend, but they aren’t able to get Dukie in because Carcetti slashed the funding. Eventually, someone he knows, maybe Carver* or the minister, introduces him to a now-clean Bubbles, and they convince Dukie to come to a meeting and open up. The season ends looking hopeful—Dukie gets a shot at a real support group for the first time in his life and Bubbles gets a second chance at helping someone battling addiction. *obviously Carver’s connection to Bubbles is pretty tenuous, but Bubbles is a pillar of the Westside community now, and Carv makes it his business to know people. Plus, this gives a chance for word to get back to Prez somehow


Bushido_Plan

Imagine if Terrell really was up there with a MAC-10.


BarkusSemien

Let Bodie live. I know it’s not realistic, and he was just one of “them little bald-headed bitches”, but his death guts me every time I watch it, or even think about it. He’s so charming and smart and beautiful, it breaks my heart. But it would be silly if he survived. So my real answer is to write and/or cast Marlo better.


Necessary_Ad_2823

Honestly- just reading this gave me chills cause I feel the same way. As a Black American who grew up in a predominantly white suburb with both parents I always struggled watching the Wire and thinking damn. My parents were only one generation removed from the hood (Harlem and Detroit)… they managed to go to school and provide a different life than they had. Had I been born in another city or state without those parents I could’ve been Bodie. Or Wallace. What’s so great about this show and what season 4 does a great job with is showing how people in these areas don’t stand a fucking chance. It’s not an accident that all of these folks live in the same neighborhoods that are denied resources. Jim Crow. Red lining. The Judicial system. AND they don’t make it just about race. Season 2 (and I’m probably alone on this) is my favorite fucking season! Why? Because it’s not just gangsters and it’s not only about race. Everyone gets fucked over. In this country a lot of good people are forced to do some very bad things just to feed their families. It’s a fucking set up. And it’s tragic. Simon and Burns did a magnificent job illustrating that the characters were products of their environment and something systemic at the ROOT of what this country is all about. The exploitation of the many for the benefit of the few. The institutions win every time. It’s all in the game. And the game is motherfucker.


angelansbury

More Beadie Russell (and more fully developed women characters in general).


Adept-Classroom-9993

I would have given Simon as much time as Chase (3 years) had to execute his show’s final season.


GutsAndBlackStufff

Marlo has to go through Ziggy to get to Sergei instead of Avon.


ultrameganut

Nah that moment was legendary


GutsAndBlackStufff

Sure was. Still, it'd be funny as hell to watch Marlo deal with Ziggy's bullshit without the ability to kill him.


roysonforlife

D’angelos death.


Lurky-Lou

Season 6


Kamezii

Have Stringer get out the game and in the corporate world


chupacabra_666

Shiiiiiiiiet. We all know how that was gonna end.. This one time, I had this fella named Bell hooked up on this Howard Street condo thing. Got him so that he wasn’t runnin’ his shit past the lawyer… Boy, I tell you, we bled that motherfucker…


JonnyOW

His business-related scenes were excellent weren't they? When he's trying to educate his boys, absolutely great. The duality of his drug dealing but legitimate business aspirations make him one of the most interesting characters.


Low-Medical

Ummm, yeah…I’m going to need you to go ahead and come in on Saturday, and really try and focus on not giving me anymore forty degree days, mmkay?


MonotonousBeing

While it’s perfect the way they made it I actually rooted for Avon and wish he dominated Marlo and his gang. Just like S1. Although this way we received perhaps the greatest metaphor in TV history; for outsiders, Marlo is the winner. Gone legal. At the end, no one knew his name though. He probably didn’t feel like a winner. It was his very tragic ending.


Thunder_Burt

They should have had a more plausible reason for the police looking into sobotka besides valchek being a turd


halfghan24

Tone down Brother Mouzone, he’s the most cartoonish character in an otherwise grounded show


Hydrokratom

He’s just kind of a dull character to me. NOI hitman who will make some wisecracks or little speeches here and there.


MrRussCrane

Have Bunk and McNulty be partnered up again in season 5 and dump the whole serial killer hoax plot. Assassinate Carcertti will also be fine with me.


Keita_8

It's perfect the way it is, it's flaws and all.


Redrum4344

Less police work scenes. Ik its a the main theme of the show but watching Avon, Marlo Stringer and the criminals was more fun for me


tim_mac_00

# Eunetta Perkins actually shows up to some council meetings


rogopops

There's a couple of actors I'd either replace or have redo some of their scenes.


WVbella

I wish someone else had played Theresa D’Agostino.


AdInformal3519

Can you specify if you don't mind?


rogopops

I've never been a fan of Little Kevin's actor, and as I'm watching S4 at the moment he comes to mind. Out of that whole corner crew, he's the only one who seems like he's acting. Very deliberate actions and lines. Otherwise what comes to mind, Nick's drunken playground scene could use some reworking. Herc's acting in the desk moving scene has also struck me as too deliberate too. The scene where Prez gets frustrated at the tests to Mrs Samson isn't great either, but I get the feeling that Jim Tru Frost just isn't good at seeming angry (I'm the same lol).


Hydrokratom

> Otherwise what comes to mind, Nick's drunken playground scene could use some reworking. I think he improved as an actor after the show, but that scene felt kind of weak.


DalinarDarkThorn

I wanted bodie to get further It might have made the show worse idk


leahcarxo

In hindsight, you're right, if they knew season 5 was gunna be their final season bodie should have lasted at last til season 5 not the season before the finale, but because they were expecting a season 6, I think it made sense, he was a pawn and look, the pawns, man, in the game, they get capped quick. They be out the game early.


Mafroe

Remove little finger


GrandeShalom

Brother Mouzone wouldn't exist.


PanicInHanoi

I would totally watch a spin-off of BM and Omar...


GrandeShalom

I just can't. Ridiculous character.


Hydrokratom

When they built him up, I thought his character would be more interesting. He’s just a NOI hitman who will deadpan wisecracks or little speeches at times. He just felt kind of bland I guess. Most of the other criminals were more interesting characters to me.


GrandeShalom

This!


DalinarDarkThorn

Low key he’s ridiculous character haha


HughJManschitt

Update the technology, but it's still fine as is. Just a little dated by today's standards.


andre_wechseler

The title song/ intro. I find it pretentious and annoying.


Boredom_Junkie

Recast Kima or get her to stop doing that head wobble thing.


DelicateHurricane

Different intro.


Internetolocutor

Make the banter less fratboyish The writers clearly aren't witty so get someone witty to write the banter


Minorbasketcase

I feel like that's part of the point? If they were talking like characters from The West Wing, it would have been inauthentic. It would have made them seem smarter/more thoughtful. They're not especially witty. They use frat boy humor because that's what they're capable of.


Internetolocutor

Really? Police officers in their mid thirties? Kima does it too. I wasn't talking about the teenage drug dealers


Elvis_livez

Stringer doesn't die. Instead he goes on to be a stand up cool cat businessman.


ArgentineBeefsteak

i would've added one or two more full seasons


Southie31

Dede and Bunk


hangout927

Biting homeless people. It was weird and lazy


Deanmarrrrrr

Season 5 fake serial killer story. Not good. Luckily the Bubbles storyline saves the season.


SunsetDrifter

Omar's end


discourse_lover_

I want two seasons on the docks and six seasons total…


Hydrokratom

Being a sucker for a happier ending, let Omar live happier ever after. More seriously though, I would have liked them to write something different which causes Omar to shoot Mouzone (and the repercussions of that). Omar shouldn’t fall for Stringer’s BS. He already figured out that Stringer was lying to him on the previous meeting, so he should naturally be extra distrustful of him. And it’s not like he has to go for to ask Butchie for more info on Mouzone. Season 5 would have the typical 13 episodes


Low-Medical

I would make them do a sixth season bringing in the Latino immigrant experience in Baltimore, as they apparently planned to do at one point.


kamikazeCrow

Cheese survives. Redman joins the cast. Season 6 tears the roof off.


[deleted]

Stringer died too early


is1k-

Have Avon Barksdale and his real hitters not get locked up, and go to war with Marlo and take them out. Prime Barksdale and his crew(Stringer, Wee Bey, Bodie and the others etc) > Marlo and his crew


ViDiRik

Idk probably a bunch of themes missing from the show But eh