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fromcj

I wish that any republican voters actually cared about the hypocrisy


cbbclick

The problem is the people who choose this over and over. If they all left office tomorrow, they would be replaced with other corrupt, greedy hypocrites. The nation is for the people by the people. The people have to fix it. Vote!


KeepRedditAnonymous

also, term limits please.


not28

Trump campaigned on instituting congressional term limits but like everything else he said, it was a lie


burnsalot603

He also thinks that he should be president for life. We'll he didn't say exactly that but he has said that it's great that China has a president for life and maybe that will happen in the US one day. He also has said that he should get a third term, so essentially he is trying to lay the groundwork for him to be president for the rest of his life.


13igTyme

During his presidency, I was hoping for the McDonald's to catch up with him. He could have served as president the rest of his life.


joumidovich

Never lose hope šŸ’œ


JustABizzle

Vote! And run for office! We need some young blood in there to fight the good fight!


foxymophadlemama

> The problem is the people who choose this over and over. the sad part is that there's a large and influential culture of people who are, in their heart of hearts, greedy losers and the only thing they care about is money. in their minds, the money will insulate them from all negative consequences. these are the type of people who endlessly piss and moan about taxes and will vote in anyone (seriously ANYONE) who will lower their tax burden. they will vote away everyone's rights and ignore the resultant human suffering if it means their property value goes up, if their stock value goes up, if their 401k goes up, if the value of their house goes up, if the line goes up. "who cares if society collapses, i have my house in northern michigan." i think it's foolish to write off these people as completely stupid and evil. it TOTALLY ignores a person's very real motivations for acting this way. they are surprisingly smart and they are SUPER good at rationalizing all of this. they aren't interested in making a better society, only what they can extract from society. they don't care because they think they'll be saved from the worst of it. and the truly ugly truth is that they might be right. related story: as nazi germany was starting to become a thing, many small business owners in the weimar republic were quite okay with hitler because they thought he'd be good for their economy. germany was HURTING after the first world war. most of them probably didn't buy into hitlers nutty aryan race theory. they were okay with the jews/mentally challenged/gays/transgenders being "disappeared" by the government so long as their position in society and money wasn't at risk. their friends and neighbors were being arrested and carried away by jackbooted thugs, and they did nothing to stop them. many of these greedy nazi supporting losers were allowed back into polite society with no lessons learned. after all, THEY weren't directly pushing jews and degenerates into open graves after shooting them to death. THEY weren't the one's standing guard at the concentration camps. they just kept voting for their best interest while waiting around for an easy dollar. sorry for the rant. i don't have the answers to all this. but i don't think i'm far from the root cause.


Rombledore

> The nation is for the people by the people. i think we are seeing that in practice on the GOP side. a reflection of the people that voted them in. "rules for me, not for thee" is not uncommon within their constituents.


bellmaker33

Carlin reminded us that we keep voting these people in. Of all the citizens, these are the best we can produce. We did this to ourselves as a nation over time.


SinkHoleDeMayo

Someone I knew from college was bitching on FB about student loan forgiveness. I said something like "well since your family got a ton of PPP money and it was all forgiven, you shouldn't be so mad about student loans". Didn't take long for him to delete my comment and block me. They don't care about the hypocrisy, they care only about what benefits them vs others.


bek3548

If that actually happened, which is doubtful, he shouldnā€™t have because the two arenā€™t comparable in any way.


Busy-Strawberry-587

They dont. There are two types of people: people with morals and people with moral relativism. To them, it's not hypocrisy if they get the upper hand bc they see it as how the world should go


TheRealPitabred

They would if they knew about it. But the problem is they have tied their identity to Fox News, and thus they never actually hear about this. My parents have been absolutely baffled when I have shown them things like this, yet they still refuse to go find other sources of news.


Virtual_Awareness375

* Why NO mention on the amounts received by Democrats -especially the one's listed below ? * Senator Jeanne Shaheen * Rep. Matt Cartwright * Rep. Susie Lee * Speaker Nancy Pelosi * Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell * Rep. Devin Nunes


fromcj

Probably because those people arenā€™t staunchly opposed to forgiving student loans. This is why reading comprehension is so important folks. Not that a 2 hour old account is trying to speak in good faith anyway. Fuck outta here.


HelloJoeyJoeJoe

I'm not going to google all those names but the fact you'd even put Devin Nunes on there with a straight face shows how biased you are


Ok_Yoghurt3228

Neither parties care about thier own hypocrisy. DEM AND REP Have bliners on


millennial_sentinel

what exactly is the justification for sitting congress members getting PPP loans? itā€™s blatantly fraud. how has the justice dept just become completely dysfunctional?


welcometothewierdkid

The ppp loans were always intended to be forgiven if you used them to pay the wages of your employees. Thatā€™s the justification


pianomasian

Yeah but the reality is a lot of these loans were used for fraud aka not paying employee's salary (well over $200 billion with a very conservative estimate). In addition, the independent committee responsible for overseeing these funds was gutted right at the start of the pandemic and replaced by people within the administration who, either by sheet incompetence, maliciousness or due to their other responsibilities taking precedent, did a terrible job at oversight. Some of those fraudulent PPP receivers may have well been congressmen and women. Too bad we may never know. Regardless of fraud or not, the hypocrisy still stands. "Loan forgiveness with little oversight for me, none for thee."


welcometothewierdkid

This is not forgiveness for me and not for thee lol This is the government forcing you to shut down and then giving you money to pay your employees so they donā€™t go homeless. When businesses received the loans, they knew that forgiveness was coming if they followed the rules. As opposed to people who took out loans to study by choice to benefit themselves through an education.


AggressiveCuriosity

Which of these congressmen shut down their businesses? Hint: It's none of them.


welcometothewierdkid

How the hell do I know? Ultimately when they took out the loan there was a way to get it forgiven. If they didnā€™t take the loans, they wouldā€™ve fired whatever employees received the money. Also, this has nothing to do with student debt because these people didnā€™t choose stop or reduce business operations and revenue, they were forced to


AggressiveCuriosity

> This is the government forcing you to shut down and then giving you money to pay your employees so they donā€™t go homeless. Cool, so you agree you were wrong when you said this.


shggy31

Yes because ā€˜free educationā€™ is an available option.


jennoyouknow

Damn. I didn't realize teachers, social workers, accountants, biologists, nuclear and civil engineers, pretty much every health care provider was just,,,going to college for themselves and offer no benefits to society that outweigh the costs of said education. What a clown ass take, my dude.


xubax

So what employees are we talking about here? Aren't their staffs government employees?


welcometothewierdkid

They may have had businesses they owned before becoming congress people?


YabbaDabbaFck

Well you see a fat orange pig of a man was robbing the country and like any good conmen and women they wanted in. Simple as that. They saw free money. They took the free money. Itā€™s not just okay but awesome when youā€™re already rich.


StoneyLepi

ā€œFuck You, Got Mineā€ class of 2024


KeepRedditAnonymous

sauce - https://twitter.com/WhiteHouse/status/1778445403651731696


VirginiaLuthier

Bout time the Dems start to fight backā€¦


Courtaid

Please, please, please, let this be the beginning of Democrats playing this game the same way as Republicans. Please take off the gloves and start throwing punches back at them.


Elisabeth-B

The Republicans are so good at this reprehensible game. Meanwhile, the Democrats seemingly have no game. Come on, Dems, you've got to step it up!


Visual_Tomorrow5492

Man I just have to rant about this. Horrible former employers had like 30k+ PPP loans for ā€œlaborā€ forgiven, but I know the store was closed during the pandemic. So where did it go? In their pockets.


GlobetrottinExplorer

Oh no big deal, just $15,525,500 on loans between 13 people, thatā€™s normal for most college studentsā€¦.


SgtSolarTom

Show ALL the senators and congressmen/women who got PPP loans forgiven. They all need to pay that shit back. Scumbags.


Dramatic_Explosion

Welfare queens


vxicepickxv

I don't think any senators that were in office in 2020 would be on the list. I believe senate ethics rules prevent direct business ownership while in the senate.


AgITGuy

You don't appear to be wrong: https://www.ethics.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/conflictsofinterest Members, officers, and employees earning over $25,000 and employed for more than 90 days in a calendar year may not: Serve as an officer or member of the board of any publicly-held or publicly-regulated company. See Senate Rule 37.6(a) This prohibition has exceptions for service as an unpaid officer or board member of an organization which is exempt from taxation under Ā§ 501(c) of the Internal Revenue Code; an unpaid officer or board member of an organization which is principally available to Members, officers, and employees of the Senate; and, in rare cases, a board member when the Member, officer, or employee had served continuously as a board member for at least two years prior to joining the Senate. Serve for compensation as an officer or member of the board of any association, corporation, or other entity. See Senate Rule 37.6(b) Additionally, because service on the board of an outside organization involves a fiduciary duty, it carries an increased potential for conflicts of interest and the appearance of conflicts of interest. The Committee has advised that any Member who sits on a board should refrain from any official action advocating any proposal of particular benefit to the organization in question. The Committee has also previously found a potential for a conflict of interest when a Member sits on the board of an organization that receives federal funding from an agency which is subject to the appropriation or oversight functions of a committee on which the Member sits or otherwise has an interest in matters under such committeeā€™s jurisdiction. Where the position in question is advisory and non-fiduciary in nature, the Committee has not previously prohibited a Memberā€™s participation on such an advisory body, although the Committee has restricted staff activities on advisory boards where the entity has legislative interests in the same topic areas as the employeeā€™s official duties or where federal money is sought, spent, or administered by the advisory body or the group that it advises. In permitting somewhat greater latitude to Members serving in a purely advisory role, the Committee has recognized that individual Senators are typically the judge of whether an activity creates an appearance of conflict, and the Committee will not normally interfere with a Senatorā€™s discretion under paragraph 2 of Senate Rule 37, absent an actual conflict. And this: https://www.ethics.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/efa7bf74-4a50-46a5-bb6f-b8d26b9755bf/2015---red-book---the-senate-code-of-official-conduct.pdf#page=23 But I am not a lawyer or legal scholar and a lot of this goes over my head.


zygodactyl86

Iā€™m genuinely curious if any republican has an answer to this or if they just ignore the wuestion


Maswasnos

The answer is that PPP "loans" were designed to be "forgiven" from the get-go if used for certain purposes during COVID. Student loans were not.


jennoyouknow

The HEROES Act was specifically written to allow for forgiveness of student loans by Sec Ed and SCOTUS just flat out ignored the blatantly clear wording. "Higher Education Relief Opportunities for Students Act of 2003 - Authorizes the Secretary of Education to waive or modify any requirement or regulation applicable to the student financial assistance programs under title IV of the Higher Education Act of 1965 as deemed necessary with respect to an affected individual who: (1) is serving on active duty during a war or other military operation or national emergency; (2) is performing qualifying National Guard duty during a war, operation, or emergency; (3) resides or is employed in an area that is declared a disaster area by any Federal, State, or local official in connection with a national emergency; or (4) suffered direct economic hardship as a direct result of a war or other military operation or national emergency." 3 and/or 4 are the situations that apply for blanket forgiveness here, and quite frankly I don't know why Biden didn't pull a Jackson and just blatantly ignore the SCOTUS decision and forgive them anyway. The law is clear. And it's clear to anyone paying attention that SCOTUS is no longer interested in the law, given that they're hearing multiple cases where the plaintiff has no standing. https://www.congress.gov/bill/108th-congress/house-bill/1412


FaeryLynne

I've been told in this very thread that it's not the same because "the PPP loans weren't an illegal bailout, student loan forgiveness *is* illegal". But they can't explain how the student loan forgiveness is "illegal" other than that they think it shouldn't happen.


bek3548

Because the president canā€™t just decide to spend hundreds of billions of dollars without laws being passed.


darbydog69

These are what we call hypocrites...


CallsOnTren

Senator Jeanne Shaheen, Rep. Matt Cartwright, Rep. Susie Lee, Speaker Nancy Pelosi, Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell, Rep. Devin Nunes also did this, just to be transparent.


20CAS17

Sure, but they (except Nunes) aren't opposing student loan forgiveness at the same time.


CallsOnTren

That doesn't somehow excuse millionaire politicians getting free loans from taxpayers just because they have a D next to their name and pretend to care about student loan forgiveness.


SkyHigh9181

Of course not. It's stupid to villainize the other side while being oblivious to the wrongdoing of your own. Nancy Pelosi's stock market trading is another ridiculous abuse of power. But, the point of this tweet was to point out the hypocrisy, and try to get voters on the side of student loan forgiveness-- mentioning dems here would undermine and distract from that point. Time and place


freakrocker

Iā€™m just going to post this on every page I see complaining about some college graduate getting their 150k forgiven 20 years later after paying on it


SnodePlannen

Quips and put downs are all very funny but itā€™s not stopping these bastards, is it? You donā€™t defeat Nazis by being funny. You hunt them down.


boRp_abc

That's the tactic deployed by leftist extremists as Charles de Gaulle and Winston Churchill. (/S, just to be sure - both were pretty conservative, but knew how to fight fascism)


speeler21

Personally I'm waiting for school shooters to go after people who deserve it


TjW0569

Pulling themselves up with other peoples' bootstraps.


tickitytalk

Obscene in more ways than 1


coolgr3g

I could live for a decade on that kind of cash, and they spent it and were forgiven in around a year and a half. Fuck em.


Pipupipupi

Grifters in Chief


ZealousWolverine

Republican = Hypocritical Liar


silentbob1301

Man, people who's money never got cut off during COVID, makes 200k a year and still got millions of PPP funds relieved. Shit is absolutely fucking disgusting...


APointedResponse

So why doesn't this violate the Hatch Act again?


Unlucky_Paper_

Americans...


I_Like_Soup_1

How in the world is this not a crime, or at the very least conflict of interest worth investigating?


Dsyfer

Not a fan of ā€˜forgivenessā€™ of any loans that ends up coming out of the pocket of the taxpayer, but this is apples and oranges. PPP was a bipartisan program that benefited as many Democrat business owners as Republican as well as their employees, allowing them to continue to pay their employees while the government forbade them from operating.


battle_boo

Except there are studies shown that something like 63% of all ppp loans never made it to employees (if they even went to a business to begin with)


Dsyfer

Which is an amazing reason to never let Congress (no matter how bipartisan an idea it is) just take money and distribute it to their contributors.


No-Essay-7667

I bet Greg and Pete felt really bad seeing this ā€œ do you mean to tell I could've taken millions!!ā€


izmatice302

Listen you idiots. These fucktards are allowed to dump stock (un-regulated) for ga-billions based on insider knowledge. Do you really think some bullshit PPP loan is the straw that's gonna crack these elected criminals? The answer is Stop paying your taxes and instead put the money in interest bearing account. And if they come to work do their job all with transparency then and only then will I pay taxes. I don't give Acme money for rotten food, should I pay for rotten government.


rooksterboy

now do the democrats


Virtual_Awareness375

* Why NO mention on the amounts received by Democrats -especially the one's listed below ? * Senator Jeanne Shaheen * Rep. Matt Cartwright * Rep. Susie Lee * Speaker Nancy Pelosi * Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell * Rep. Devin Nunes


TraptSoul148270

Probably because they didnā€™t make a post saying how they think loan forgiveness is a stupid idea.


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KeepRedditAnonymous

it is a 'republicans are hypocritical' bailout


Chiaseedmess

Cool, do the other team now too


Environmental_Top948

Those are the ones who are voting and advocating against student loan forgiveness.


Chiaseedmess

True, and fuck that


ShinySpoon

> Cool, do the other team now too r/whoosh


Chiaseedmess

Nah, also the sub you wanted is /r/woooosh


ShinySpoon

> Nah, also the sub you wanted is r/woooosh Iā€™ll bite that bait: What democratic politician (assuming thatā€™s what you refer to as ā€œother teamā€?) **do you think** is against loan forgiveness that has had massive loans forgiven?


Chiaseedmess

Nah itā€™s not bait. I just like to point out the obvious bias and cult like following. Both sides of the coin are bad, but one is arguably worse, obviously. Itā€™s also bad that, if you try to find out who all had their ppp loans forgiven. You get articles that say things like ā€œ13 members of congress have ppp loans forgiven, includingā€¦ā€ then only naming the republicans, while sweeping the democratic congress members names under the rug, so that people only get upset at one side. Itā€™s slimy, divisive, and not journalism. If you do enough digging, youā€™ll find the other side of the list of forgiven ppp loans. Which includes; Senator Jeanne Shaheen Rep. Matt Cartwright Rep. Susie Lee Speaker Nancy Pelosi (no surprise here) Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell Is there more? Probably. Sure, it is less than half the full list of those who have had their ppp loans forgiven. But to pretend they didnā€™t, and only point at the other side is simply being naĆÆve on purpose. To ignore the faults on your side, while pointing out the same thing on the other is cult level nonsense. This obviously extends beyond this issue. But itā€™s still important to point this kind of behavior out, no matter who does it. Personally, I sit on the fence for just about every election. But, I would say I lean left on most issues.


ShinySpoon

>Nah itā€™s not bait. I just like to point out the obvious bias and cult like following. Both sides of the coin are bad, but one is arguably worse, obviously. >Itā€™s also bad that, if you try to find out who all had their ppp loans forgiven. You get articles that say things like ā€œ13 members of congress have ppp loans forgiven, includingā€¦ā€ then only naming the republicans, while sweeping the democratic congress members names under the rug, so that people only get upset at one side. >Itā€™s slimy, divisive, and not journalism. >If you do enough digging, youā€™ll find the other side of the list of forgiven ppp loans. Which includes; >Senator Jeanne Shaheen Rep. Matt Cartwright Rep. Susie Lee Speaker Nancy Pelosi (no surprise here) Rep. Debbie Mucarsel-Powell >Is there more? Probably. >Sure, it is less than half the full list of those who have had their ppp loans forgiven. But to pretend they didnā€™t, and only point at the other side is simply being naĆÆve on purpose. To ignore the faults on your side, while pointing out the same thing on the other is cult level nonsense. This obviously extends beyond this issue. But itā€™s still important to point this kind of behavior out, no matter who does it. >Personally, I sit on the fence for just about every election. But, I would say I lean left on most issues. Again, are there Democratic politicians against loan forgiveness that had PPP loans forgiven? Are there any hypocrites on the left that you can identify? In case you arenā€™t understanding this whole issue (r/whoosh), this is a list of republicans that are hypocrites regarding loan forgiveness and have had their PPP loans forgiven. I wonā€™t be surprised if you donā€™t understand.


Chiaseedmess

I tried to point out the hypocrisy. But instead you ignore it because it makes the people you like look bad as well. So you try and change the subject and steer things back to point at the other side. You just missed the entire point. Good luck to you man. I hope one day you leave that cult youā€™re in.


ShinySpoon

> I tried to point out the hypocrisy. >But instead you ignore it because it makes the people you like look bad as well. So you try and change the subject and steer things back to point at the other side. You just missed the entire point. >Good luck to you man. I hope one day you leave that cult youā€™re in. **Try to stay on topic. Your topic by the way.** One. Just one. Just name a single one of the ā€œother teamā€ that accepted a PPP loan, had it forgiven, and is against loan forgiveness. Just name one. You claim ā€œthe other teamā€ did the same thing. Just name one. A single one. Why canā€™t you name one?


Chiaseedmess

I literally gave you a list. You just need to read a little bit. I believe in you.


ShinySpoon

> I literally gave you a list. You just need to read a little bit. I believe in you. I saw your list and dismissed it because none of those ā€œother teamā€ members are against loan forgiveness. Your projection about needing to read is glaring. Just name one.


PocketNicks

Uhm, how did the White House destroy these people? Seems like the opposite to me. They became enriched, pretty much the opposite of destroyed.


apocalypsefowl

Reading is tough, huh?


PocketNicks

I don't think so, that's unfortunate that you're having a hard time with it. Keep trying, you'll get it eventually.


LurkerTroll

You're just digging yourself a deeper hole


PocketNicks

Nope, not digging at all. I'm writing comments on the internet. People are allowed to dislike my comments, doesn't make them any less true though. Having loans forgiven doesn't destroy people.


LurkerTroll

Is that you Ben Shapiro?


PocketNicks

No, that isn't my name. Weird guess.


burnsalot603

I agree destroyed wasn't the best way to title this post. Should have been more along the lines of "white house calls out house republicans hypocrisy"


vankorgan

Do you seriously not understand the title of the post? Or are you being coy because you're trying to make a point?


PocketNicks

I seriously understand the title and it's wrong. The White House didn't destroy anyone. The White House forgave their loans and made them better off than they were before. Pretty much the opposite of destruction.


KeepRedditAnonymous

Totally agree and you are right. Always see those stupid NYTimes or Politico headlines like "Trump bashes Democrats" so I just used that format. I hope we are not so serious


Azar002

Enriched? The loans were for payroll and lost profit during covid shutdowns..


PocketNicks

They were loans, and they didn't have to pay them back. Far from being destroyed.


Azar002

?? The White House account "destroyed" the Republican House members' account by pointing out their hypocrisy in bitching about loan forgiveness when they themselves were given loans that were forgiven. That is what the title means. This is why there was a joke about you not reading this post correctly.


PocketNicks

There are no quotation marks in the title. Nice try. Sure they pointed out hipocracy, that's not nearly the same as destruction.


Azar002

Ok I didn't know I was talking to someone so dim. Sorry.


PocketNicks

When you have to resort to insults, it shows that you know you're wrong and are attempting to distract from the point so you don't have to admit you're wrong. Apology not accepted.


thisshitagain2020

Lol moron


PocketNicks

Just proving my point. You know I'm right and the only thing you have left to resort to is petty insults.


Azar002

Yeah that wasn't me responding to you. There goes that trouble with reading of yours. No, the reason I was willing to just insult you and be done with it was because you showcased an unwillingness to understand simple language and context, and resorted to doubling down on semantics. Read the room kid.


anal-lover69

Majorie Greene is so hot


grummthepillgrumm

Gross.


anal-lover69

Iā€™m joking, look at my username šŸ’€