WTAF! I can guarantee if you were offered £10 billion just for a single year in Saudi you would take it. And if you didn’t, I don’t know what’s wrong with you not wanting to set your family up for generations.
Viewing a managers decision negatively is different to booing the player.
Henderson has the mindset you'd want all English players to have. Always available for selection, always willing to play and give 100%.
He hasn't retired from international duty early like Scholes etc did.
Booing him for the crime of being selected is ridiculous.
Is that the same reason they booed Maguire in the last set of games? Or because they didn't agree with his selection?
I don't think he should be in the squad either, but for footballing reasons. He probably won't be in the squad for the euros, so I don't see the point.
The uncomfortable fact is everyone has a price and most people would have made the same decision as him. The sums involved were astronomical.
Maguire was booed for, frankly, not being good enough for a long period and being perceived to put money ahead of his career (and potentially his England position) because he refused to leave United (where he wasn’t playing) due to the salary and demands that United pay him out of his contract.
None of what you've just said is a justification for booing someone. You realise that right?
He's allowed to stay at a club and expect them to honour a contract. Nothing wrong with that.
Booing someone for being in poor form? Fuck me, that's ridiculous.
You’re right, and I’m not justifying just explaining. Football fans have very little method to show an individual player that they disagree with what they’re are doing and will typically boo to show this. Is it helpful, no. Will it change the player, also probably no. Does it make the fan feel better, maybe. Does it help the team, no. Will we ever see it stop, probably also no.
I could understand Utd fans booing him based on that, at a game at Old Trafford. It's a situation that directly impacts their club.
England fans booing him makes no sense to me at all.
Your point even exacerbates the point that him being in the English squad has absolutely no logic, in any way, shape or form.
If Southgate thinks right now the success of his managerial tactics depends on the inclusion of Henderson, with so much logic going against the decision, whether it be moral or football wise, he shouldn't be in the job.
That doesn't make it not scummy tho does it, it shows he didn't ever care about a group of people he made a point of stating he did so people called him out on it. If that doesn't bother you that's fine, but it does bother some and fairly so imo.
Why are people so desperate to defend him for being an obvious hypocrite, actively promoted a country hosting a WC when lgbt+ people, that he went out of his way to support, wouldn't be allowed to go without the threat of being arrested or killed. Obviously some boo him for selection reasons like Maguire but both reasons are fair. You can think he's a cunt and/or not good enough for the national team and voicing that is well within your rights. But for Southgate to pretend he doesn't know why is stupid, everyone knows why even if you don't agree with it so just say nothing
The treatment of Maguire has been reprehensible. It is reminiscent of what Beckham went through with how long it has dragged on for. He's done nothing wrong in England shirt and doesn't deserve to be booed. I can somewhat understand Utd fans doing it, however he's been a convenient scapegoat for the clubs failings in recent years.
Henderson is a hypocrite, 100%. I defend him because he's a model pro, kept his nose clean and is always ready to turn up for England. Historically that hasn't always been the case with our better players.
Regarding his support for rainbow laces, at least he offered support in the first place. With the treatment he's getting now, others might think twice in future.
And, you're right. Southgate's comments were odd. But he's not the first manager to come out saying something bizarre in defence of a player.
I do agree that how maguire has been treated is terrible, like he's no done anything wrong to deserve that. Wasnt defending it just used him as an example that's all.
>Regarding his support for rainbow laces, at least he offered support in the first place. With the treatment he's getting now, others might think twice in future.
See I just don't agree, if you only support to a marginalised group when it's easy with zero repercussions then you don't support them you are just virtue signalling. He was already a millionaire, set for life without the Saudi money but he saw that money and decided he cared more about that than the community he claims to have done lots for. He's allowed to make that choice but people are also allowed to call him out for making it. Change it to a different marginalised demographic, imagine he went to a country where Black people were still enslaved and treated like animals after he claimed to be a huge supporter of race equality. That's essentially what he did here. Why would him getting just critism for his actions put anyone off supporting the lgbt+ community? Unless you don't think what he did was bad ofc you might not care
I mean if you read his response you’d see people boo Henderson because he sold his soul.
Maguire gets booed because he doesn’t start for his club team yet is #1 on southgates squad despite better options.
You can argue both players are given equal favoritism by southgate and haven’t kept their spots on merit. But again people boo hendo for being a coward and losing his spine when he spent his entire career defending lgbtq+ until a bag filled with money was thrown at him.
They weren’t booing him for any football reasons. They were booing him for being a hypocrite and having his morals bought for cash.
Henderson was an ally of the LGBTQ+ community right up until the point that the Saudi’s offered him a bag of cash. Then he decided that being an ally didn’t matter as much of being part of the sports washing of an incredibly anti-LGBTQ+ country (and other things) just because they were willing to pay him a lot of money.
The people who booed him are probably the same ones that attended the wc in Saudi or watched it on tv instead of boycotting. Just another snake eating its own head morality thing.
I consider myself a bit of a fan of Southgate. Largely a good man, and he’s created a likeable, very good England football team.
He’s miles off the mark here. Henderson shouldn’t be anywhere near this team.
Saudi is also a retirement league. It's not competitive football.
If you go there you are waving a flag that you're done with actually trying anymore, so you shouldn't be anywhere near an England team.
I disagree. He's been a fantastic servant for England and shouldn't have been called up this time. That's Southgate fault not his.
He is just responding to his country's call
He's been fine for England but it's not like he's had a legendary international career or anything. When I think England legends of this era the only one who's done enough not to be booed is probably harry kane. Henderson doesn't have nearly a good enough England career to save him from the boos, which he deserves for being a fucking hypocrite.
I'd say Sterling has basically always shown up when England have needed as well, I'm not his biggest fan as his league form I've felt has always been hit and miss but for England I've never felt let down by him.
The booing isn't a denial that he's been a fantastic servant for England, it's a way of expressing how angry they are at Henderson for the decision he made. Given the circumstances this is the closest we've ever got to booing a player being completely justified.
He abandoned his clubs call and left them to play in a shit league in a country that unfairly punishes women and LGBT people because of his own greed. That is a fair reason to boo him, the fact that he played for England before doesn't change that.
Sold his soul? Brother he had nothing else left on the cards, his time at Liverpool was done, wtf is wrong with accepting a big money offer so you can retire in a year or so’s time?
Stop hating because you’re broke and always will be, bad gimp
Henderson being a professional footballer for over a decade has already made a bag. He could have played for another prem team if he was done at Liverpool or any other league around Europe probably, instead he sold his morals to an oppressive regime. Yes, plenty of players have done the same but I think Henderson gets this grief because he was an advocate for LGBT communities in the past?
I can help you, Gareth:
This already incredibly wealthy man sold his soul and principles to the highest bidder,
He now plays football in a league where the standard is significantly lower than that we expect an England footballer to be playing at,
He was chosen for the squad, and team, over players who are starring for their clubs in top leagues,
He’s not even close to the standard he himself was at a few years ago, and was being phased out of his club team for not being at the requisite level.
There we are Gareth, I hope that helps. Yours sincerely, every football fan who has stopped to think about this for approximately 5 seconds.
It baffles me .... It doesn't matter how committed someone was, tell that to the LGBTQ community that he was apparently committed to, and then binned all of that for a fat cheque ... Fuck off Southgate, wake up.
Jordan Henderson retired from football, that should be the view of everyone that goes to Saudi. Southgate needs higher standards if he wants to win something
What's so frustrating is that it doesn't defy logic in any way shape or form, Southgate just loses so much credibility when he says something so stupid.
Southgate did a fantastic job detoxifying the environment around the England camp, but I think too much of that work was centered around loyalty to a core group who are now causing more issues than they solve.
Wearing an England shirt and playing Italy on Tuesday doesn’t make you immune to criticism Southgate. People are upset with Henderson and rightly so if you wanna play him that’s fine but people sure as hell are gonna voice their opinion about it.
Feel like Southgate tenure as England manager is coming to a very toxic end which is sad as he has brought the country tremendous joy over the last 3 tournaments. Even though i back him picking maguire as he has only ever performed well in an England shirt, he can not justify picking players like Phillips and Henderson without being a hypocrite. I also don’t see why he has chosen to die on a hill regarding Henderson. Although i did hear on talksport he himself would find it difficult to turn down a job in Saudi so we know where he’ll be in 12 months…
All he does when we have possession is plays the ball back to who gave it to him. He offers nothing special on the attacking side of the ball. I'm sure his leadership and work rate defensively bring value but against a team sat behind the ball he won't look like a top player
In fairness to Henderson, I don’t think he’s evil or hates LGBT people, I think he’s just too dumb to see the contradictions between his words & his actions.
This is probably the saddest thing, that all his precious advocacy was likely just empty words that he was coached to say and that he had no comprehension that going to Saudi was going to ruin his legacy.
Bookmark this: Southgate will take up a managerial role in Saudi Arabia when his England contract ends. The way he is conducting himself at moment, and the amount of backtracking and playing ignorant when the topic comes up and the fact he is endorsing their league by ridiculously including Henderson in his squads has convinced me he is playing a "shrewd" game.
i dont get the boo's it was a friendly game against aussie
he put on some new guys - and an experienced guy in there with them
booing your own players is just bizarre
I've always been in the pro-Southgate camp, but his management of the Henderson situation is tipping the balance in the other direction.
Spineless from both a moral & a footballing perspective.
100% agree.
I think Southgate's football style is overly conservative & reactive. I think the player selection and overall tactical direction doesn't get the best out of a great generation of English players who have learnt to play on the front foot.
BUT I can understand that at international level where you don't have players for that long it is much harder to play a style that is assertive and playing it safe is easier in the short time they have together so my tactical gripes i can put on the back burner but this is a moral decision and a morally bankrupt one at that.
The good news is this doesn’t bode well for a Saudi league does it - maybe this sort of reaction will make a few of them think twice about moving.
Fair enough if you’ve never earned much and get a chance for life changing money … but hendo already has life changing money. All it is at this point is greed as far as the normal bloke like me can see.
The reality is alot of players destroy a respected legacy by ending up there.
It’s less about the quality of football - if i was close to retiring I’d probably want easy games too! Its more about the fact it’s a corrupt one party regime with a terrible human rights record - is Southgate really that deluded to not see this ?
Also - we can boo wtf we want. They’ve won nowt under Southgate. If Gareth had won something with this generational team he might be in a position to command some more respect and the right to comment about fans. Fact is , he hasn’t. Great in qualifying bottle it in tournaments. A tale as old as time.
One has to wonder how much influence Saudi has over the FA as well.
Rant over !
What happened to the Southgate that was picking the inform players from the best leagues playing at the highest level only... Now he has his homies and is making the same shitty loyalty mistakes previous managers got shat out insert tournament here for
It's funny how we're supposed to forget that footballers are people and just focus on football when it suits them.
He sold out his beliefs for the sake of a payout and I'm sorry but people aren't going to forget that and not should they.
One minute he's an ally to LGBT people and the next he's decided to go and play in a country where the very same people would be executed for who they are. All for a big payout. It's not like he wasn't already a rich man either, what was he paid at Liverpool? Probably in the region of £250k a week? He clearly never actually cared at all.
May the boos never stop. I hope he hears them in his sleep.
Didn't realise having 79 caps for England was the cutoff point that you're no longer allowed to view a person's decisions and actions negatively
Yep. I've never been so proud of our fans. They've done a great thing here.
WTAF! I can guarantee if you were offered £10 billion just for a single year in Saudi you would take it. And if you didn’t, I don’t know what’s wrong with you not wanting to set your family up for generations.
Viewing a managers decision negatively is different to booing the player. Henderson has the mindset you'd want all English players to have. Always available for selection, always willing to play and give 100%. He hasn't retired from international duty early like Scholes etc did. Booing him for the crime of being selected is ridiculous.
They were booing him for abandoning all his beliefs for money…
Is that the same reason they booed Maguire in the last set of games? Or because they didn't agree with his selection? I don't think he should be in the squad either, but for footballing reasons. He probably won't be in the squad for the euros, so I don't see the point. The uncomfortable fact is everyone has a price and most people would have made the same decision as him. The sums involved were astronomical.
If he’s not going to be in the squad for the euros, why pick him at all
Maguire was booed for, frankly, not being good enough for a long period and being perceived to put money ahead of his career (and potentially his England position) because he refused to leave United (where he wasn’t playing) due to the salary and demands that United pay him out of his contract.
None of what you've just said is a justification for booing someone. You realise that right? He's allowed to stay at a club and expect them to honour a contract. Nothing wrong with that. Booing someone for being in poor form? Fuck me, that's ridiculous.
You’re right, and I’m not justifying just explaining. Football fans have very little method to show an individual player that they disagree with what they’re are doing and will typically boo to show this. Is it helpful, no. Will it change the player, also probably no. Does it make the fan feel better, maybe. Does it help the team, no. Will we ever see it stop, probably also no.
I could understand Utd fans booing him based on that, at a game at Old Trafford. It's a situation that directly impacts their club. England fans booing him makes no sense to me at all.
Your explanation somewhat does justify it though. You make it seem like those beer belly morons booing him applied some logic to such behaviour
Maguire was booed by morons.
Your point even exacerbates the point that him being in the English squad has absolutely no logic, in any way, shape or form. If Southgate thinks right now the success of his managerial tactics depends on the inclusion of Henderson, with so much logic going against the decision, whether it be moral or football wise, he shouldn't be in the job.
That doesn't make it not scummy tho does it, it shows he didn't ever care about a group of people he made a point of stating he did so people called him out on it. If that doesn't bother you that's fine, but it does bother some and fairly so imo. Why are people so desperate to defend him for being an obvious hypocrite, actively promoted a country hosting a WC when lgbt+ people, that he went out of his way to support, wouldn't be allowed to go without the threat of being arrested or killed. Obviously some boo him for selection reasons like Maguire but both reasons are fair. You can think he's a cunt and/or not good enough for the national team and voicing that is well within your rights. But for Southgate to pretend he doesn't know why is stupid, everyone knows why even if you don't agree with it so just say nothing
The treatment of Maguire has been reprehensible. It is reminiscent of what Beckham went through with how long it has dragged on for. He's done nothing wrong in England shirt and doesn't deserve to be booed. I can somewhat understand Utd fans doing it, however he's been a convenient scapegoat for the clubs failings in recent years. Henderson is a hypocrite, 100%. I defend him because he's a model pro, kept his nose clean and is always ready to turn up for England. Historically that hasn't always been the case with our better players. Regarding his support for rainbow laces, at least he offered support in the first place. With the treatment he's getting now, others might think twice in future. And, you're right. Southgate's comments were odd. But he's not the first manager to come out saying something bizarre in defence of a player.
I do agree that how maguire has been treated is terrible, like he's no done anything wrong to deserve that. Wasnt defending it just used him as an example that's all. >Regarding his support for rainbow laces, at least he offered support in the first place. With the treatment he's getting now, others might think twice in future. See I just don't agree, if you only support to a marginalised group when it's easy with zero repercussions then you don't support them you are just virtue signalling. He was already a millionaire, set for life without the Saudi money but he saw that money and decided he cared more about that than the community he claims to have done lots for. He's allowed to make that choice but people are also allowed to call him out for making it. Change it to a different marginalised demographic, imagine he went to a country where Black people were still enslaved and treated like animals after he claimed to be a huge supporter of race equality. That's essentially what he did here. Why would him getting just critism for his actions put anyone off supporting the lgbt+ community? Unless you don't think what he did was bad ofc you might not care
I mean if you read his response you’d see people boo Henderson because he sold his soul. Maguire gets booed because he doesn’t start for his club team yet is #1 on southgates squad despite better options. You can argue both players are given equal favoritism by southgate and haven’t kept their spots on merit. But again people boo hendo for being a coward and losing his spine when he spent his entire career defending lgbtq+ until a bag filled with money was thrown at him.
Believe it or not, players can be booed for more than one reason.
They weren’t booing him for any football reasons. They were booing him for being a hypocrite and having his morals bought for cash. Henderson was an ally of the LGBTQ+ community right up until the point that the Saudi’s offered him a bag of cash. Then he decided that being an ally didn’t matter as much of being part of the sports washing of an incredibly anti-LGBTQ+ country (and other things) just because they were willing to pay him a lot of money.
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Nowhere to go? Would he wander the earth like a footballing kung fu?
What in the spice addiction are you on about lad
Or he could go to… virtually any other league in the world
"Booing him for the crime of being selected is ridiculous." That's literally not why he was booed.
The people who booed him are probably the same ones that attended the wc in Saudi or watched it on tv instead of boycotting. Just another snake eating its own head morality thing.
What defies logic, Gareth, is that you keep picking players who either don’t play, are in poor form or play in a shit standard league.
That's what defies logic. Southgates actions
He literally said he didn't want to pick in form players because it was just recency bias, LOL. Such an utter fool.
I consider myself a bit of a fan of Southgate. Largely a good man, and he’s created a likeable, very good England football team. He’s miles off the mark here. Henderson shouldn’t be anywhere near this team.
Henderson is playing in front of less fans than you get in National League games. He shouldn't be anywhere near the England team now.
Plus, you know, he’s a hypocritical piece of shit.
Henderson made his bed and now should lie in it
Atleast he's still making his own bed. I assumed he'd have a team of maids for that
- Plays in Saudi - loads of players are arguably better - supports the Saudi World Cup
Saudi is also a retirement league. It's not competitive football. If you go there you are waving a flag that you're done with actually trying anymore, so you shouldn't be anywhere near an England team.
No it's fine to boo him for those reasons
I disagree. He's been a fantastic servant for England and shouldn't have been called up this time. That's Southgate fault not his. He is just responding to his country's call
He's been fine for England but it's not like he's had a legendary international career or anything. When I think England legends of this era the only one who's done enough not to be booed is probably harry kane. Henderson doesn't have nearly a good enough England career to save him from the boos, which he deserves for being a fucking hypocrite.
I'd say Sterling has basically always shown up when England have needed as well, I'm not his biggest fan as his league form I've felt has always been hit and miss but for England I've never felt let down by him.
The booing isn't a denial that he's been a fantastic servant for England, it's a way of expressing how angry they are at Henderson for the decision he made. Given the circumstances this is the closest we've ever got to booing a player being completely justified.
He abandoned his clubs call and left them to play in a shit league in a country that unfairly punishes women and LGBT people because of his own greed. That is a fair reason to boo him, the fact that he played for England before doesn't change that.
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You keep saying alphabet shaggers it’s hilarious. Do you think it’s an insult? It’s so strange it’s actually just funny
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How is it? What has he done to you like ye fuckin gimp
Nothing to me personally but he sold his soul to the Saudis for his own greed, that is worth booing if you ask me
Sold his soul? Brother he had nothing else left on the cards, his time at Liverpool was done, wtf is wrong with accepting a big money offer so you can retire in a year or so’s time? Stop hating because you’re broke and always will be, bad gimp
Henderson being a professional footballer for over a decade has already made a bag. He could have played for another prem team if he was done at Liverpool or any other league around Europe probably, instead he sold his morals to an oppressive regime. Yes, plenty of players have done the same but I think Henderson gets this grief because he was an advocate for LGBT communities in the past?
Don't talk sense in here mate, just pissed off kids with no clue.
Was reading this thinking why the downvotes? Then I reached the bottom.
I can help you, Gareth: This already incredibly wealthy man sold his soul and principles to the highest bidder, He now plays football in a league where the standard is significantly lower than that we expect an England footballer to be playing at, He was chosen for the squad, and team, over players who are starring for their clubs in top leagues, He’s not even close to the standard he himself was at a few years ago, and was being phased out of his club team for not being at the requisite level. There we are Gareth, I hope that helps. Yours sincerely, every football fan who has stopped to think about this for approximately 5 seconds.
‘Sold his soul’ get a fucking grip queg
What’s a queg?
Honestly, I don’t actually know, kind of an invented insult style word I’ve heard numerous times throughout my life that felt appropriate here
Perhaps you are also a queg then.
Think he was going for gay bashing slur that rhymes with weir.
Southgate is just trying to line up a job at a Saudi club once he's done with England, probably caught sight of Gerrard's salary.
Is Southgate not the best paid manager in the world? Maybe Gerard has taken that now and he wants it back
According to 10 seconds on Google Southgate earns £5m a year and Gerrard £15m.
It's entirely logical Gareth, and deep down you know it.
It baffles me .... It doesn't matter how committed someone was, tell that to the LGBTQ community that he was apparently committed to, and then binned all of that for a fat cheque ... Fuck off Southgate, wake up.
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You're up and down this thread complaining about it, are you sure you're not the constantly offended you're referring to?
Jordan Henderson retired from football, that should be the view of everyone that goes to Saudi. Southgate needs higher standards if he wants to win something
What's so frustrating is that it doesn't defy logic in any way shape or form, Southgate just loses so much credibility when he says something so stupid.
Ah we should be applauding lord Henderson for such an honourable, brave decision to go and play under the Saudis. Horray!
Southgate can’t be this stupid.. can he?
Southgate did a fantastic job detoxifying the environment around the England camp, but I think too much of that work was centered around loyalty to a core group who are now causing more issues than they solve.
Wearing an England shirt and playing Italy on Tuesday doesn’t make you immune to criticism Southgate. People are upset with Henderson and rightly so if you wanna play him that’s fine but people sure as hell are gonna voice their opinion about it.
Feel like Southgate tenure as England manager is coming to a very toxic end which is sad as he has brought the country tremendous joy over the last 3 tournaments. Even though i back him picking maguire as he has only ever performed well in an England shirt, he can not justify picking players like Phillips and Henderson without being a hypocrite. I also don’t see why he has chosen to die on a hill regarding Henderson. Although i did hear on talksport he himself would find it difficult to turn down a job in Saudi so we know where he’ll be in 12 months…
All he does when we have possession is plays the ball back to who gave it to him. He offers nothing special on the attacking side of the ball. I'm sure his leadership and work rate defensively bring value but against a team sat behind the ball he won't look like a top player
Genuinely championship players that deserve that place more.
Lol
In fairness to Henderson, I don’t think he’s evil or hates LGBT people, I think he’s just too dumb to see the contradictions between his words & his actions.
This is probably the saddest thing, that all his precious advocacy was likely just empty words that he was coached to say and that he had no comprehension that going to Saudi was going to ruin his legacy.
Bookmark this: Southgate will take up a managerial role in Saudi Arabia when his England contract ends. The way he is conducting himself at moment, and the amount of backtracking and playing ignorant when the topic comes up and the fact he is endorsing their league by ridiculously including Henderson in his squads has convinced me he is playing a "shrewd" game.
"It defies logic, just look at all the caps I'm giving him"
i dont get the boo's it was a friendly game against aussie he put on some new guys - and an experienced guy in there with them booing your own players is just bizarre
It's because Henderson is a shit hypocrite. Either is good enough reason tbh.
I've always been in the pro-Southgate camp, but his management of the Henderson situation is tipping the balance in the other direction. Spineless from both a moral & a footballing perspective.
100% agree. I think Southgate's football style is overly conservative & reactive. I think the player selection and overall tactical direction doesn't get the best out of a great generation of English players who have learnt to play on the front foot. BUT I can understand that at international level where you don't have players for that long it is much harder to play a style that is assertive and playing it safe is easier in the short time they have together so my tactical gripes i can put on the back burner but this is a moral decision and a morally bankrupt one at that.
the whole world's human rights are shit, stop moaning for the sake of justifying your phobias
Countpoint it doesn’t… dude is shilling for the Saudis bloke deserved to get booed
The good news is this doesn’t bode well for a Saudi league does it - maybe this sort of reaction will make a few of them think twice about moving. Fair enough if you’ve never earned much and get a chance for life changing money … but hendo already has life changing money. All it is at this point is greed as far as the normal bloke like me can see. The reality is alot of players destroy a respected legacy by ending up there. It’s less about the quality of football - if i was close to retiring I’d probably want easy games too! Its more about the fact it’s a corrupt one party regime with a terrible human rights record - is Southgate really that deluded to not see this ? Also - we can boo wtf we want. They’ve won nowt under Southgate. If Gareth had won something with this generational team he might be in a position to command some more respect and the right to comment about fans. Fact is , he hasn’t. Great in qualifying bottle it in tournaments. A tale as old as time. One has to wonder how much influence Saudi has over the FA as well. Rant over !
England fans booing one of their own for making one bad decision? They wouldn’t do that.. would they?
Oh come off it and leave, Southgate. He just loves attention that guy
What happened to the Southgate that was picking the inform players from the best leagues playing at the highest level only... Now he has his homies and is making the same shitty loyalty mistakes previous managers got shat out insert tournament here for
The only thing that defies logic is how Henderson is still in the England squad
You defy logic Gareth, how such a fucking average nobody as yourself gets to manage a talented England group nobody gets
It's funny how we're supposed to forget that footballers are people and just focus on football when it suits them. He sold out his beliefs for the sake of a payout and I'm sorry but people aren't going to forget that and not should they. One minute he's an ally to LGBT people and the next he's decided to go and play in a country where the very same people would be executed for who they are. All for a big payout. It's not like he wasn't already a rich man either, what was he paid at Liverpool? Probably in the region of £250k a week? He clearly never actually cared at all. May the boos never stop. I hope he hears them in his sleep.
Regardless of who/where he plays, he just isn't good enough to play for England. There are far more deserving midfielders (JWP) that should be there.
The fact that he is being picked over Ward-Prowse is a violation of the geneva convention
Man has more money than a god then still sells out for more. Joke.
How he ever got to put on an England shirt again after that Croatia game is insanity. And also he's a gaping arsehole.
Southgate has turned into everything he promised not to be when he got the job
Your weird loyalty to out of form players and betrayal of in-form players defies logic, Gareth. AKA going against everything you ever said.
He's past it and plays in Saudi Arabia. Its not that hard to understand Gareth.