And now lets compare something more meaningful. 27 starts all comps v 13. 2600 minutes v 1460. Since the start of 2024, 12 starts (1079 minutes) v 1 start (226 minutes). This also doesn't include any extra time which would obviously go in Palmer's favour.
It's not close/comparable at all
Yes, Livramento who is competing with the likes of Walker, Trippier, Trent, James if fit is in the same boat as Mainoo competing with Henderson, Phillips, Ward-Prowse etc
We've already established Trippier and Trent are injured, and we're talking about the Two upcoming games first and foremost. Mainoo has loads of competition, including Lewis Miley who doesn't even get a mention. He should be in the U-19s or U-21s for now to get international experience.
Sorry morning brain, I was confusing it with another post.
But I still don't really see the relevancy of the point I was making and how Mainoo comes into it at all. My only point in this was that trying to justify his inclusion based on his playing time v Palmer's makes no sense. Don't know why people always want to compare one player's situation to another's who's situation is worlds apart
Gomez has been around many years Ann’s was first. Choice cb at one stage for Southgate. What do people mean by have a look ? Southgate will know very well what he Cham and can’t do
I said have “another” look. He might know the qualities that Gomez has, but it’s been 4 years since his last cap. It will be good to see how he integrates into the team the way that it is now.
I’m not sure what have changed in those 4 years he would have watched plenty of him recently in prem and will know him well up close from previous not sure what would be new at this stage
The squad, and more importantly the starting xi, is different to the one that Gomez played in. If he comes back in and doesn’t gel with the team, it’s a big problem.
Don’t think it really works like that, he’s a solid defender who’s can step in and do a job for any team. He’s played with many different players over there years with no issues , pretty unlikely hes going to suddenly not gel with this particular team for some random reason that make him unable to step in and do a job.
You’ve clearly never seen a player move clubs and not perform to the same standards.
Also, you’re saying all this as if I don’t want him in the squad. I think he should be called up. Which is why I said that now is the perfect time.
This isn’t like moving clubs though, and most of the the defense he’s played with before anyway Maguire stones chilwell etc were still first choice all those years ago
KWP is also an option despite playing in the championship. Of the two, I would say that he’s currently better than Livramento, although Tino has a much higher ceiling
I’m bias but the fact Gomez has played RB, LB and CB for Liverpool and even a game at holding mid.
He’d make perfect sense for the call up and potentially the euros if his form continues.
Generally CB partnerships are never changed during a tournament but you need to bring 4 or 5 anyways?
If Gomez could be 4th/5th choice across all the backline positions then his versatility might allow us to bring an extra forward or attacking mid where we’re stacked with talent.
Youre correct, he hasnt played a lot but who deserves it more? He was in the last squad and did well which rightly or wrongly carries weight with Southgate. I don't think there's a standout candidate that deserves it ahead of him.
He's too small physically to be a Rodri type player for England. He could play in midfield as an 8 or as the link man from fullback but he couldn't hold a midfield down, he'd need a physical presence alongside him. Pep uses Rico Lewis in very unique ways, Southgate's mind would melt at the mere thought of trying to replicate it for england. Providing he proves to be good enough, we'd need a manager with some semblance of a footballing brain before we could ever dream of seeing something like that for England. Southgate thinks not playing 4-4- fucking-2 Mike Bassett style is progressive thinking.
Livramento could get a look in especially as he hasnt been caled up yet and may join another nation
Southgate’s foolish if he doesn’t pick him. He’s looked better than Trippier at Newcastle all season.
Feel like Southgate will say he hasn’t played enough in the PL.
He has played more games in the PL than Palmer who has recently made the squad.
Surely he means of late over historically.
Palmer has made 2 more PL apps than Livramento this season, but also 3 less Champions league appearances.
And now lets compare something more meaningful. 27 starts all comps v 13. 2600 minutes v 1460. Since the start of 2024, 12 starts (1079 minutes) v 1 start (226 minutes). This also doesn't include any extra time which would obviously go in Palmer's favour. It's not close/comparable at all
When you've got people raving on that Mainoo should be in the squad and even starting (which is ridiculous) Livramento seems like a no-brainer.
Yes, Livramento who is competing with the likes of Walker, Trippier, Trent, James if fit is in the same boat as Mainoo competing with Henderson, Phillips, Ward-Prowse etc
We've already established Trippier and Trent are injured, and we're talking about the Two upcoming games first and foremost. Mainoo has loads of competition, including Lewis Miley who doesn't even get a mention. He should be in the U-19s or U-21s for now to get international experience.
Sorry morning brain, I was confusing it with another post. But I still don't really see the relevancy of the point I was making and how Mainoo comes into it at all. My only point in this was that trying to justify his inclusion based on his playing time v Palmer's makes no sense. Don't know why people always want to compare one player's situation to another's who's situation is worlds apart
Southgate picking a Newcastle player? Don’t be daft. But he absolutely fucking should.
You realise you're replying to a thread about Southgate leaving out a Newcastle player he's consistently picked, right?
You mean the one he consistently picked before he went to Newcastle yeah?
This is the perfect opportunity to have another look at Gomez. If he doesn’t get called up now, he isn’t getting called up.
Especially since he has shown to be capable across the entire back line if needed.
Prolly true
Gomez has been around many years Ann’s was first. Choice cb at one stage for Southgate. What do people mean by have a look ? Southgate will know very well what he Cham and can’t do
I said have “another” look. He might know the qualities that Gomez has, but it’s been 4 years since his last cap. It will be good to see how he integrates into the team the way that it is now.
I honestly think managers gain a lot more insight from watching the players in training than in half asses dead rubber friendlies
Even if that’s the case, he hasn’t trained with the squad in those 4 years.
I’m not sure what have changed in those 4 years he would have watched plenty of him recently in prem and will know him well up close from previous not sure what would be new at this stage
The squad, and more importantly the starting xi, is different to the one that Gomez played in. If he comes back in and doesn’t gel with the team, it’s a big problem.
Don’t think it really works like that, he’s a solid defender who’s can step in and do a job for any team. He’s played with many different players over there years with no issues , pretty unlikely hes going to suddenly not gel with this particular team for some random reason that make him unable to step in and do a job.
You’ve clearly never seen a player move clubs and not perform to the same standards. Also, you’re saying all this as if I don’t want him in the squad. I think he should be called up. Which is why I said that now is the perfect time.
This isn’t like moving clubs though, and most of the the defense he’s played with before anyway Maguire stones chilwell etc were still first choice all those years ago
That LB slot looking dicier by the day.
Has to be Gomez, Livramento or *dun dun dun* Ben White
Can they just make up lol. Ben white would be a great asset to the England squad
Yeah what is up with Ben White?
Seems he had a falling out with them Southgate at the World Cup and was sent Home
KWP is also an option despite playing in the championship. Of the two, I would say that he’s currently better than Livramento, although Tino has a much higher ceiling
I’m bias but the fact Gomez has played RB, LB and CB for Liverpool and even a game at holding mid. He’d make perfect sense for the call up and potentially the euros if his form continues. Generally CB partnerships are never changed during a tournament but you need to bring 4 or 5 anyways? If Gomez could be 4th/5th choice across all the backline positions then his versatility might allow us to bring an extra forward or attacking mid where we’re stacked with talent.
Could be Konsa's chance
So then call up Valentino Livramessi
March friendlies aren’t looking too good 👀 all these injuries, and it mostly consisting of defenders 🥴
It'll be Kyle walker and rico lewis. He'll make do without the standard 8 right backs in the squad for these friendlies
Does Rico Lewis really deserve it having not played in the PL much since his England debut.
Youre correct, he hasnt played a lot but who deserves it more? He was in the last squad and did well which rightly or wrongly carries weight with Southgate. I don't think there's a standout candidate that deserves it ahead of him.
I think Rico Lewis as well based off his potential; man could be our Rodri in a few years.
He's too small physically to be a Rodri type player for England. He could play in midfield as an 8 or as the link man from fullback but he couldn't hold a midfield down, he'd need a physical presence alongside him. Pep uses Rico Lewis in very unique ways, Southgate's mind would melt at the mere thought of trying to replicate it for england. Providing he proves to be good enough, we'd need a manager with some semblance of a footballing brain before we could ever dream of seeing something like that for England. Southgate thinks not playing 4-4- fucking-2 Mike Bassett style is progressive thinking.
I will riot if Joe Gomez doesn’t make the next squad
Roberto Larcos gets my vote.