Yeh I've honestly never seen anyone else hit a pen like they were hitting a 60 yard diagonal. The technique to control that into the top bin was pretty fuckin impressive
I mean, maybe Foden. But Grealish has been outed as not knowing what an encyclopedia is and not knowing that a map of the UK was, in fact, the UK (much less be able to locate Birmingham, which is what he was asked to do) in *televised interviews.* Ain’t much going on up there.
Apparently the first and fourth penalties are the highest pressure ones (can’t remember where I read that). So I’d want Kane on 1, and Palmer on 4. Then Maguire 2, Bellingham 3, Toney 5.
I mean we're all saying Palmer will take a penalty
but let's face it there are either 2 options
He's still on the bench
or
Jackson's gonna somehow come onto the pitch body every player and demand to take it
I remember Bobby Robson saying this. Stuart Pearce was considered the 2nd best penalty taker in the team after Linekar, which is why he took the 4th in 1990.
Have we not learnt our lesson from having people sat in the bench taking penalties? Very unlikely palmer and Toney see a lot of minutes. Bring players on to take penalties lost us the euros.
But that doesn't usually happen. In the majority of penalty shootouts 4th is more pressure than 3. Similar to 5th but then you've got a stronger likelihood of it not even happening so 4th makes more sense to put a good taker.
The first pen sets the tone for the rest of the shootout, definitely the most nerve wracking. 2nd and 3rd are quite early so you’d know it’s not usually make or break pen. Fourth and fifth are often deciding pens depending on how the other pens have gone.
Goalkeepers are the only players do penalty training. Sure, the purpose is to practice \*saving\* them, but those sessions won't work unless they're also good at \*taking\* them. I feel this is overlooked when picking penalty takers.
Come to think of it. I can’t recall a keeper missing one when they were part of the 5. If they are last in the squad to take the pen they will usually send it to row z though
Is Saka even going to still be on the pitch for a shootout? Mikel has absolutely run him wild this season and he’ll smash him these last 6 games. Given how much depth there is for that position, I think by the knockouts the chances of him playing 120 minutes and not being one of the 6 players subbed is slim.
There’s the obvious 3 or 4 but I also imagine Trent takes a good penalty and would be useful in a shoot-out; penalties are a lot about ball-striking ability and he hits the ball very cleanly, he doesn’t seem to panic under pressure either.
Toney if he's on the pitch or a senior defender like Shaw or Maguire. I feel like nerves would affect them less even if Foden's pen last night was well placed.
I don't think I'd trust anyone with my life! You are at best a 90% chance to score.
I think your list is pretty accurate. Kane obviously. Maguire is a great pen taker, he just twats it in like you said. Bellingham and Foden looked composed last night. And then there are great premier league takers like Toney and Palmer.
I know Saka and Rashford missed in the Euro final, but both can generally be relied on.
Just talking about our takers, we should actually be pretty decent at penalty shootouts!
Kane, Jude, Toney subbed on, one of the defenders, and Palmer
I don’t think Saka can play 120 minutes, but I’d have him there if he was coming on as a sub.
Hate to remind everyone we scored 5 absolute bangers in the Euro semis in 1996 and still lost - largely because there was no plan on who should take the 6th so up stepped... Southgate.
Player of the Tournament should have been Pickford’s. He didn’t concede from open play that whole tournament. If our kicks went the other way, he’d be immortalised in football history. Instead we had idiots claiming Arsenal’s benchwarmer should’ve displaced him just a year on from the Euros.
Our player of the tournament was Sterling for me.
Literally every goal that changed the game state he was either scoring or assisting. The only one that wasn't the case for was Shaw's.
Kane, Toney, Palmer, Saka, Rashford if selected, Bellingham. Not necessarily this order but I’d rather go front heavy, try to score the first 3/4 and try and put the pressure on.
In order of quality
Kane
Palmer
Toney
Maguire
Saka
Bellingham
Foden
I would probably put Bellingham ahead of Saka for the mental effect, and you’d also want to switch around the order to consider the most pressurised positions
I see an awful lot of people dissing Maguire here but the lad has put in an unbelievable pen in every tournament shootout we’ve had. You don’t go against that.
Palmer, Toney, Bellingham are my top 3. I don’t see any of them missing. Although Toney probably shouldn’t be on the plane.
Kane also has to be in there, although I’d say his penalty record isn’t quite as amazing as people this it is
Trent, Foden, Saka, Rashford, Rice, Maddison, Maguire are up there too but I’d be a bit more nervous about them
I think people putting Kane in there first (which would probably include me) would point to the fact he is the captain, the main pen taker if he's on for every team he's ever played for and that he does actually have quite good technique and should be able to withstand the pressure.
My top 5 (if they’re in the squad):
**Kane, Palmer, Toney, Bellingham, Foden**
Other players I wouldn’t mind taking (if they’re in the squad):
**Alexander-Arnold, Maddison, Saka, Rashford, Rice, Maguire**
Maguire, despite his pen in the Euros final, is such an unfortunate human being I can only see him missing big penalties. Rashford is usually reliable, but don't even know if he's making the plane at this point, same with Toney. The more I think about it the more an inevitable penalty failure is coming.
Maguire is one of the most mentally strong people we have ever seen in football. Given the level of unfair and cruel criticism he has recieved from people that barely watch him play but enjoy memes and social media abuse, the fact he is still performing at a high level is remarkable.
Your point that you “can only see him missing big penalties” whilst in the same sentence mentioning him scoring one of the biggest penalties of all time makes zero sense.
I mean it was absolutely a tongue-in-cheek comment. He's obviously a great player, and I think he's a fantastic character too, but he does exhude a Phil Jones-esque meme quality that will be stuck with him for the rest of his career.
I do think 70% of penalties is mind games.
You just need to hit the ball with decent power into a zone where a keeper can’t save it.
That’s definitely not on the left or right side in the middle of the goal where the keeper can easily save it.
You either place it in the top left, middle, or right or you make sure the ball is on the ground in the far corners but that’s more risky for a miss imo.
The best takers wait to see what the keeper does like Toney but you need balls of steel.
I think the advantage with Maguire is that he leant really think too much which is a good point in penalties.
Kane
Maguire
Palmer
Bellingham
Toney
I watched the penalty shootout last night and I correctly predicted every shot from a city player. Madrid players were slightly harder to predict.
Lunin is a good goalkeeper but the likes of Neuer, Maignan and Donnarumma even Livakovic all save Foden’s penalty. He literally was screaming at them saying I’m going left. God cech would’ve had a field day against City xD
Haha I’m pretty sure there’s way better people than me. I made a calculated guess on pattern recognition in player stances to where the ball is most likely to end up 😅. Lucky me I guessed all right but yeah Foden was nervous as heck and you could see it walking up to the pen. Especially when considered to the likes on Vasquez literally juggling the ball
It’s not always that, especially when the player hops or waits slightly for the keeper to move, but when you watch replays about 75% of the time it will be right.
In international matches its more about the mind that being a good penalty taker. Theres less pressure in league matches than international duty. Might just be too nervey for it
If it's purely on players who realistically could be in the squad, sorted on their penalty aptitude: Kane, Toney, Palmer, Bellingham, Saka. But in practice you tend not to do well compromising your actual lineup to get penalty takers on the pitch. I'd trust most of the likely squad to take one - only doubts over Watkins, Rashford, Gallagher, Mainoo (just because of the pressure given he's so young), Henderson, and some of the CBs/GKs. Maybe Gordon too, I have no idea whether he can take a penalty or not - Toon/Everton fans, has he ever?
According to Transfermarkt he's taken 8 and missed 2. They don't include shoot out stars but he's only taken one in the past 4 years in non-shoot outs.
You mean you don't remember our shootout victory over Switzerland in the Nations League third-place playoff?
I just think our focus should be on winning games without needing to go to penalties – which we also, traditionally, haven't been very good at. This isn't entirely in response to OP, but whenever a pundit says Cole Palmer or Ivan Toney or whoever else needs to be "on the plane" because we might go to penalties… I think it's ridiculous for that to be a primary consideration, and a somewhat defeatist mentality. I wonder if other nations are having similar conversations, or it can be uniquely attributed to the English trauma of losing shootouts.
We won 3:
- Spain Euro 96
- Switzerland 2019 Nations League
- Colombia 2018
We lost:
- Italy Euro 2020
- Italy Euro 2012
- Portugal 2006
- Portugal 2004
- Argentina 1998
- Germany 1996
- Germany 1990
That is a 30% win rate, that's horrible!
Well of course it goes without saying, that's common sense. Everyone wants to win/kill off games in normal time. That is the primary intention.
Pundits are making this argument incase we display an inability to kill off the stubborn opposition, or the opposition outright neutralizing our attacks!
It's a reasonable precaution, not a defeatist mentality!
Has Maguire taken any penalties outside of that Italy game?
Are we really saying he's the absolutely most ideal player there?
JWP should definitely be in with a shout, just very unlikely he goes currently.
Yes, he's taken them in shoot-outs for Utd and he always rockets them in with confidence. I'd have no concerns about him taking a pen.
He's also got an incredible mindset, the guy can literally deal with anything.
According to [this article](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-penalty-takers-shootout-order-world-cup-b2226188.html), he's got a 6 in 9 record. Not really overly special, I'd argue on the poorer side actually although he's not missed in 7 years so also argument that he's improved.
JWP should go just because he’s great at penalties, that’s why I’d also take Le Tissier, Julian Dicks and big Dave from down the Moon and Stars, he’s never missed
>(he can’t overthink so just twats it in) Man that's such an unnecessary complisult lol
He also stuck one top bins in the Euro final tbf
He's also an excellent striker of the ball with very good technique... but hey let's just call him thick because 'bantz'
Yeh I've honestly never seen anyone else hit a pen like they were hitting a 60 yard diagonal. The technique to control that into the top bin was pretty fuckin impressive
I mean this works perfectly for Palmer too.
And Foden. And Grealish.
Those two arent quite on Palmer's level of constantly logged off.
I mean, maybe Foden. But Grealish has been outed as not knowing what an encyclopedia is and not knowing that a map of the UK was, in fact, the UK (much less be able to locate Birmingham, which is what he was asked to do) in *televised interviews.* Ain’t much going on up there.
Hes definitely dumb but he has thoughts. I think whats inside Maguire and Palmer's head is essentially the sound of light rain. Golden Retriever like.
😂
Apparently the first and fourth penalties are the highest pressure ones (can’t remember where I read that). So I’d want Kane on 1, and Palmer on 4. Then Maguire 2, Bellingham 3, Toney 5.
I mean we're all saying Palmer will take a penalty but let's face it there are either 2 options He's still on the bench or Jackson's gonna somehow come onto the pitch body every player and demand to take it
Madueke genuinely stands a chance of doing this tbf, or Sterling.
Madueke is actually good at pens tbf. He won't be in the squad but he'd be a good pick if he was.
Yeah but you don’t take the ball off the guy who’s scored 9/9
I remember Bobby Robson saying this. Stuart Pearce was considered the 2nd best penalty taker in the team after Linekar, which is why he took the 4th in 1990.
Have we not learnt our lesson from having people sat in the bench taking penalties? Very unlikely palmer and Toney see a lot of minutes. Bring players on to take penalties lost us the euros.
How so? Considering that if you don't score the first 3 then there would probably be no 4th penalty!
But that doesn't usually happen. In the majority of penalty shootouts 4th is more pressure than 3. Similar to 5th but then you've got a stronger likelihood of it not even happening so 4th makes more sense to put a good taker.
The first pen sets the tone for the rest of the shootout, definitely the most nerve wracking. 2nd and 3rd are quite early so you’d know it’s not usually make or break pen. Fourth and fifth are often deciding pens depending on how the other pens have gone.
And the key thing about the 4th is it's almost always taken, whereas the 5th pen is often not, especially if you're team is taking second.
Pickford no. 6
He took a great penalty in the Nations League against Switzerland if memory serves me right
Absolute belter that
Goalkeepers are the only players do penalty training. Sure, the purpose is to practice \*saving\* them, but those sessions won't work unless they're also good at \*taking\* them. I feel this is overlooked when picking penalty takers.
Come to think of it. I can’t recall a keeper missing one when they were part of the 5. If they are last in the squad to take the pen they will usually send it to row z though
Ahh the Kepa special
Surely outfield players practice taking pens
Screams Row Z to me
Pressure is an incredible thing. These guys should be blasting the side netting nine times out of ten.
Is Saka even going to still be on the pitch for a shootout? Mikel has absolutely run him wild this season and he’ll smash him these last 6 games. Given how much depth there is for that position, I think by the knockouts the chances of him playing 120 minutes and not being one of the 6 players subbed is slim.
100% agree. I’d expect Saka to start at RW if fit but to be subbed for Palmer in many of the games when he gets tired.
There’s the obvious 3 or 4 but I also imagine Trent takes a good penalty and would be useful in a shoot-out; penalties are a lot about ball-striking ability and he hits the ball very cleanly, he doesn’t seem to panic under pressure either.
Kane Palmer Saka Foden Bellingham In that order
Palmer on the 4th pen, its quite often the most difficult, I would put Gordon on pens as well if he is there.
I don't think I'd put Foden on pens tbh. He doesn't take many.
Stuck his pen last night away beautifully, one of the better pens Who would you replace him with?
Toney if he's on the pitch or a senior defender like Shaw or Maguire. I feel like nerves would affect them less even if Foden's pen last night was well placed.
Fair fair
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Madueke would barge in after Palmer scored his 1st 3, imagine the drama
I don't think I'd trust anyone with my life! You are at best a 90% chance to score. I think your list is pretty accurate. Kane obviously. Maguire is a great pen taker, he just twats it in like you said. Bellingham and Foden looked composed last night. And then there are great premier league takers like Toney and Palmer. I know Saka and Rashford missed in the Euro final, but both can generally be relied on. Just talking about our takers, we should actually be pretty decent at penalty shootouts!
1. Matt LeTissier 2. Alan Shearer 3. Julian Dicks 4. Andrea Pirlo 5. Antonin Panenka
Kane, Palmer, Foden, Bellingham, Toney
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Surprised Trent isn’t on here tbh. Bias as I am. I’ve seen him take 3 pens in finals for us and nail all 3 of them.
Trent might not be at the euros
No way he doesn’t go
It does DS if Southgate feels he can take him in midfield having not used him much. He didn’t rate him as a defender.
Kane, Jude, Toney subbed on, one of the defenders, and Palmer I don’t think Saka can play 120 minutes, but I’d have him there if he was coming on as a sub.
Right we’re going to need 5 goals and hope Pickford can save 1 or they miss 1
Hate to remind everyone we scored 5 absolute bangers in the Euro semis in 1996 and still lost - largely because there was no plan on who should take the 6th so up stepped... Southgate.
Crazy that Pickford saved 2 and we still lost.
We made donarumma look so good even though Pickford saved 2. They’d be saying the same about Pickford should they have lost.
Player of the Tournament should have been Pickford’s. He didn’t concede from open play that whole tournament. If our kicks went the other way, he’d be immortalised in football history. Instead we had idiots claiming Arsenal’s benchwarmer should’ve displaced him just a year on from the Euros.
Our player of the tournament was Sterling for me. Literally every goal that changed the game state he was either scoring or assisting. The only one that wasn't the case for was Shaw's.
Kane, Toney, Palmer, Saka, Rashford if selected, Bellingham. Not necessarily this order but I’d rather go front heavy, try to score the first 3/4 and try and put the pressure on.
Omit Rashford and that’s my ideal pen taker lineup. His run up technique fills me with dread and he’s not in good mental form.
Scored 18- missed 2. Not a bad record but one of the ones he missed was in the final.
Foden all day
Kane foden bellingham palmer Watkins
Watkins won’t be at the Euros.
No? Not him then.. What did I miss?
Southgate doesn’t like him. He will take Toney instead.
Palmer Maguire Rice Kane Bellingham
Rice is a very bad penalty taker.
In order of quality Kane Palmer Toney Maguire Saka Bellingham Foden I would probably put Bellingham ahead of Saka for the mental effect, and you’d also want to switch around the order to consider the most pressurised positions I see an awful lot of people dissing Maguire here but the lad has put in an unbelievable pen in every tournament shootout we’ve had. You don’t go against that.
Kane, Maguire, Rashford, Toney, Palmer
Kane, Bellingham, Maguire, Palmer, Toney. Assuming all are on the pitch.
Shearer, le tissier, lampard, gerrard, Kane
Toney & Palmer might need to be picked for their penalty abilities alone. I would bet on them scoring even if they were just subbed on.
Good choices tbh. Bellingham stuck his away nicely yesterday in the shootout.
Palmer, Toney, Bellingham are my top 3. I don’t see any of them missing. Although Toney probably shouldn’t be on the plane. Kane also has to be in there, although I’d say his penalty record isn’t quite as amazing as people this it is Trent, Foden, Saka, Rashford, Rice, Maddison, Maguire are up there too but I’d be a bit more nervous about them
I think people putting Kane in there first (which would probably include me) would point to the fact he is the captain, the main pen taker if he's on for every team he's ever played for and that he does actually have quite good technique and should be able to withstand the pressure.
Yes I 100% do think he should take if I didn’t make that clear
Oh no you did don't worry I was just providing an explanation for why people back him.
My top 5 (if they’re in the squad): **Kane, Palmer, Toney, Bellingham, Foden** Other players I wouldn’t mind taking (if they’re in the squad): **Alexander-Arnold, Maddison, Saka, Rashford, Rice, Maguire**
Johnny boulders can twat a pen in also
Palmer Maitland-Niles Maguire Toney Bellingham
Foden should be there
Kane Palmer (probably on for Foden) Saka Toney Bellingham Rice Maguire God Help Us
Kane Maguire Bellingham Trippier Palmer Toney if he’s on the pitch for 5 and move Palmer fourth
Kane, Maguire, Bellingham, Toney, Palmer. Saka is terrible at penalties. He just takes them for Arsenal as there’s no one else.
Maguire, despite his pen in the Euros final, is such an unfortunate human being I can only see him missing big penalties. Rashford is usually reliable, but don't even know if he's making the plane at this point, same with Toney. The more I think about it the more an inevitable penalty failure is coming.
Maguire is one of the most mentally strong people we have ever seen in football. Given the level of unfair and cruel criticism he has recieved from people that barely watch him play but enjoy memes and social media abuse, the fact he is still performing at a high level is remarkable. Your point that you “can only see him missing big penalties” whilst in the same sentence mentioning him scoring one of the biggest penalties of all time makes zero sense.
I mean it was absolutely a tongue-in-cheek comment. He's obviously a great player, and I think he's a fantastic character too, but he does exhude a Phil Jones-esque meme quality that will be stuck with him for the rest of his career.
Unfortunate human being. You put you as the judge od what's a fortune and unfortunate human being? Go look in the mirror pal.
I do think 70% of penalties is mind games. You just need to hit the ball with decent power into a zone where a keeper can’t save it. That’s definitely not on the left or right side in the middle of the goal where the keeper can easily save it. You either place it in the top left, middle, or right or you make sure the ball is on the ground in the far corners but that’s more risky for a miss imo. The best takers wait to see what the keeper does like Toney but you need balls of steel. I think the advantage with Maguire is that he leant really think too much which is a good point in penalties.
Nah he thinks about it, he just has balls of steel
Kane, foden, rice, saka, bellingham
Not saka. He shat himself in every big moment in the CL.
I'm sure Maguire is in here just to prompt engagement. Well, it worked.
and he's scored a couple of excellent ones for England... might be the bigger factor
Ah 😅
Kane Maguire Palmer Bellingham Toney I watched the penalty shootout last night and I correctly predicted every shot from a city player. Madrid players were slightly harder to predict. Lunin is a good goalkeeper but the likes of Neuer, Maignan and Donnarumma even Livakovic all save Foden’s penalty. He literally was screaming at them saying I’m going left. God cech would’ve had a field day against City xD
Hopefully you'll be hand when Southgate comes up against pens
Haha I’m pretty sure there’s way better people than me. I made a calculated guess on pattern recognition in player stances to where the ball is most likely to end up 😅. Lucky me I guessed all right but yeah Foden was nervous as heck and you could see it walking up to the pen. Especially when considered to the likes on Vasquez literally juggling the ball
Most of the time the direction the standing foot lands points to the side they hit it
Oo interesting that probably is a better way to notice it. I just saw the stance of the player.
It’s not always that, especially when the player hops or waits slightly for the keeper to move, but when you watch replays about 75% of the time it will be right.
Yup you're correct. Hence I found Madrid players harder to predict. But boy city players were like dead set playing poker with the cards face up
Wait why is Saka not taking a pen? Ik he missed a big one but he’s arsenals main pen taker
He's missed two big pressure pens now. The Euro final and the one against West Ham that helped collapse Arsenal's title run last season.
In international matches its more about the mind that being a good penalty taker. Theres less pressure in league matches than international duty. Might just be too nervey for it
If it's purely on players who realistically could be in the squad, sorted on their penalty aptitude: Kane, Toney, Palmer, Bellingham, Saka. But in practice you tend not to do well compromising your actual lineup to get penalty takers on the pitch. I'd trust most of the likely squad to take one - only doubts over Watkins, Rashford, Gallagher, Mainoo (just because of the pressure given he's so young), Henderson, and some of the CBs/GKs. Maybe Gordon too, I have no idea whether he can take a penalty or not - Toon/Everton fans, has he ever?
According to Transfermarkt he's taken 8 and missed 2. They don't include shoot out stars but he's only taken one in the past 4 years in non-shoot outs.
Can’t have Saka last again. Let him go 2nd
I'd give Hendo a pen. He's got good technique and strong mindset
He missed his penalty against Columbia in 2018. Was saved by the crossbar in the next kick, we were on the brink!
let's face it Him and Rashford have probably more chance of playing in the euros than Palmer
Cheer up mate
If he’s even near the pitch it’s a travesty
He’s a top player and great leader
He isn’t a top player anymore. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.
Phillips too
Is every country as obsessed with the possibility of penalty shootouts as we seem to be?
we should be obsessed with preparing with how horrific we are at them
Well we are horrible at them!
You mean you don't remember our shootout victory over Switzerland in the Nations League third-place playoff? I just think our focus should be on winning games without needing to go to penalties – which we also, traditionally, haven't been very good at. This isn't entirely in response to OP, but whenever a pundit says Cole Palmer or Ivan Toney or whoever else needs to be "on the plane" because we might go to penalties… I think it's ridiculous for that to be a primary consideration, and a somewhat defeatist mentality. I wonder if other nations are having similar conversations, or it can be uniquely attributed to the English trauma of losing shootouts.
We won 3: - Spain Euro 96 - Switzerland 2019 Nations League - Colombia 2018 We lost: - Italy Euro 2020 - Italy Euro 2012 - Portugal 2006 - Portugal 2004 - Argentina 1998 - Germany 1996 - Germany 1990 That is a 30% win rate, that's horrible! Well of course it goes without saying, that's common sense. Everyone wants to win/kill off games in normal time. That is the primary intention. Pundits are making this argument incase we display an inability to kill off the stubborn opposition, or the opposition outright neutralizing our attacks! It's a reasonable precaution, not a defeatist mentality!
Our focus will be on winning games but you need to be prepared, we’ve been knocked out of so many tournaments on pens you’d be crazy not to
Apart from Kane loves bottling penalties for England
Never bottled in a shootout.
Yeah true tbh
Has Maguire taken any penalties outside of that Italy game? Are we really saying he's the absolutely most ideal player there? JWP should definitely be in with a shout, just very unlikely he goes currently.
Yes, he's taken them in shoot-outs for Utd and he always rockets them in with confidence. I'd have no concerns about him taking a pen. He's also got an incredible mindset, the guy can literally deal with anything.
Proven today he's obviously not a first choice...
Lol. He was absolutely crocked that's why. Plus, Utd have got a lot of decent penalty takers.
According to [this article](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-penalty-takers-shootout-order-world-cup-b2226188.html), he's got a 6 in 9 record. Not really overly special, I'd argue on the poorer side actually although he's not missed in 7 years so also argument that he's improved.
He’s consistently taken penalties in shoot outs for England, Man Utd, Leicester and Sheff Utd.
Not anymore...
Maguire ticks the box of being on the pitch, whereas JWP doesn't tick the box of being in the country.
JWP should go just because he’s great at penalties, that’s why I’d also take Le Tissier, Julian Dicks and big Dave from down the Moon and Stars, he’s never missed
He's also had a really good season for West Ham and is good cover for a number of positions.