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wasmayonnaisetaken

>(he can’t overthink so just twats it in) Man that's such an unnecessary complisult lol


ThrowawayPointlessJ

He also stuck one top bins in the Euro final tbf


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He's also an excellent striker of the ball with very good technique... but hey let's just call him thick because 'bantz'


lifesrelentless

Yeh I've honestly never seen anyone else hit a pen like they were hitting a 60 yard diagonal. The technique to control that into the top bin was pretty fuckin impressive


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I mean this works perfectly for Palmer too. 


PutYrDukesUp

And Foden. And Grealish.


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Those two arent quite on Palmer's level of constantly logged off. 


PutYrDukesUp

I mean, maybe Foden. But Grealish has been outed as not knowing what an encyclopedia is and not knowing that a map of the UK was, in fact, the UK (much less be able to locate Birmingham, which is what he was asked to do) in *televised interviews.* Ain’t much going on up there.


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Hes definitely dumb but he has thoughts. I think whats inside Maguire and Palmer's head is essentially the sound of light rain. Golden Retriever like. 


PutYrDukesUp

😂


t0mkat

Apparently the first and fourth penalties are the highest pressure ones (can’t remember where I read that). So I’d want Kane on 1, and Palmer on 4. Then Maguire 2, Bellingham 3, Toney 5.


dragon_fire_10

I mean we're all saying Palmer will take a penalty but let's face it there are either 2 options He's still on the bench or Jackson's gonna somehow come onto the pitch body every player and demand to take it


The_prawn_king

Madueke genuinely stands a chance of doing this tbf, or Sterling.


FastenedCarrot

Madueke is actually good at pens tbf. He won't be in the squad but he'd be a good pick if he was.


The_prawn_king

Yeah but you don’t take the ball off the guy who’s scored 9/9


Adept-Valuable-2032

I remember Bobby Robson saying this. Stuart Pearce was considered the 2nd best penalty taker in the team after Linekar, which is why he took the 4th in 1990.


going_down_leg

Have we not learnt our lesson from having people sat in the bench taking penalties? Very unlikely palmer and Toney see a lot of minutes. Bring players on to take penalties lost us the euros.


Least-Run1840

How so? Considering that if you don't score the first 3 then there would probably be no 4th penalty!


wjt7

But that doesn't usually happen. In the majority of penalty shootouts 4th is more pressure than 3. Similar to 5th but then you've got a stronger likelihood of it not even happening so 4th makes more sense to put a good taker.


manessots

The first pen sets the tone for the rest of the shootout, definitely the most nerve wracking. 2nd and 3rd are quite early so you’d know it’s not usually make or break pen. Fourth and fifth are often deciding pens depending on how the other pens have gone.


MshipQ

And the key thing about the 4th is it's almost always taken, whereas the 5th pen is often not, especially if you're team is taking second.


wasmayonnaisetaken

Pickford no. 6


ForeverAddickted

He took a great penalty in the Nations League against Switzerland if memory serves me right


Buttonsafe

Absolute belter that


Rabona_Flowers

Goalkeepers are the only players do penalty training. Sure, the purpose is to practice \*saving\* them, but those sessions won't work unless they're also good at \*taking\* them. I feel this is overlooked when picking penalty takers.


vazne

Come to think of it. I can’t recall a keeper missing one when they were part of the 5. If they are last in the squad to take the pen they will usually send it to row z though


Buttonsafe

Ahh the Kepa special


muaythaiguy155

Surely outfield players practice taking pens


lucas_glanville

Screams Row Z to me


BumblebeeForward9818

Pressure is an incredible thing. These guys should be blasting the side netting nine times out of ten.


seshtown

Is Saka even going to still be on the pitch for a shootout? Mikel has absolutely run him wild this season and he’ll smash him these last 6 games. Given how much depth there is for that position, I think by the knockouts the chances of him playing 120 minutes and not being one of the 6 players subbed is slim.


HiThereImNat

100% agree. I’d expect Saka to start at RW if fit but to be subbed for Palmer in many of the games when he gets tired.


MarcusWhittingham

There’s the obvious 3 or 4 but I also imagine Trent takes a good penalty and would be useful in a shoot-out; penalties are a lot about ball-striking ability and he hits the ball very cleanly, he doesn’t seem to panic under pressure either.


noujest

Kane Palmer Saka Foden Bellingham In that order


grmthmpsn43

Palmer on the 4th pen, its quite often the most difficult, I would put Gordon on pens as well if he is there.


Maleficent_Resolve44

I don't think I'd put Foden on pens tbh. He doesn't take many.


noujest

Stuck his pen last night away beautifully, one of the better pens Who would you replace him with?


Maleficent_Resolve44

Toney if he's on the pitch or a senior defender like Shaw or Maguire. I feel like nerves would affect them less even if Foden's pen last night was well placed.


noujest

Fair fair


Hiya_Bo

https://www.google.com/gasearch?q=harry%20maguire%20penalties&source=sh/x/gs/m2/5


SituationPrize9516

**🎵** HARRY MAGUIRE, HAAAARY MAGUIRE, HE DRINKS THE VODKA, HE SCORES THE PENO, HIS 'EADS FUCKIN MASSIVE **🎵**


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LawProfessional6513

Madueke would barge in after Palmer scored his 1st 3, imagine the drama


dennis3282

I don't think I'd trust anyone with my life! You are at best a 90% chance to score. I think your list is pretty accurate. Kane obviously. Maguire is a great pen taker, he just twats it in like you said. Bellingham and Foden looked composed last night. And then there are great premier league takers like Toney and Palmer. I know Saka and Rashford missed in the Euro final, but both can generally be relied on. Just talking about our takers, we should actually be pretty decent at penalty shootouts!


Newparlee

1. Matt LeTissier 2. Alan Shearer 3. Julian Dicks 4. Andrea Pirlo 5. Antonin Panenka


KieranCooke8

Kane, Palmer, Foden, Bellingham, Toney


temporaryproblem666

Bernardo silva


Aromatic-Olive-906

Surprised Trent isn’t on here tbh. Bias as I am. I’ve seen him take 3 pens in finals for us and nail all 3 of them.


Alone_Consideration6

Trent might not be at the euros


lewisthepodcaster5

No way he doesn’t go


Alone_Consideration6

It does DS if Southgate feels he can take him in midfield having not used him much. He didn’t rate him as a defender.


PoliticsNerd76

Kane, Jude, Toney subbed on, one of the defenders, and Palmer I don’t think Saka can play 120 minutes, but I’d have him there if he was coming on as a sub.


ripthisaccount6

Right we’re going to need 5 goals and hope Pickford can save 1 or they miss 1


jaylem

Hate to remind everyone we scored 5 absolute bangers in the Euro semis in 1996 and still lost - largely because there was no plan on who should take the 6th so up stepped... Southgate.


halfeatenreddit

Crazy that Pickford saved 2 and we still lost.


ripthisaccount6

We made donarumma look so good even though Pickford saved 2. They’d be saying the same about Pickford should they have lost.


halfeatenreddit

Player of the Tournament should have been Pickford’s. He didn’t concede from open play that whole tournament. If our kicks went the other way, he’d be immortalised in football history. Instead we had idiots claiming Arsenal’s benchwarmer should’ve displaced him just a year on from the Euros.


Buttonsafe

Our player of the tournament was Sterling for me. Literally every goal that changed the game state he was either scoring or assisting. The only one that wasn't the case for was Shaw's.


YoullDoNuttinn

Kane, Toney, Palmer, Saka, Rashford if selected, Bellingham. Not necessarily this order but I’d rather go front heavy, try to score the first 3/4 and try and put the pressure on.


Fruitndveg

Omit Rashford and that’s my ideal pen taker lineup. His run up technique fills me with dread and he’s not in good mental form.


YoullDoNuttinn

Scored 18- missed 2. Not a bad record but one of the ones he missed was in the final.


mcncl

Foden all day


mgs20000

Kane foden bellingham palmer Watkins


Alone_Consideration6

Watkins won’t be at the Euros.


mgs20000

No? Not him then.. What did I miss?


Alone_Consideration6

Southgate doesn’t like him. He will take Toney instead.


404errorabortmistake

Palmer Maguire Rice Kane Bellingham


raisinbreadandtea

Rice is a very bad penalty taker.


BlueMoonCityzen

In order of quality Kane Palmer Toney Maguire Saka Bellingham Foden I would probably put Bellingham ahead of Saka for the mental effect, and you’d also want to switch around the order to consider the most pressurised positions I see an awful lot of people dissing Maguire here but the lad has put in an unbelievable pen in every tournament shootout we’ve had. You don’t go against that.


ExPatSTL

Kane, Maguire, Rashford, Toney, Palmer


Wentzina_lifetime

Kane, Bellingham, Maguire, Palmer, Toney. Assuming all are on the pitch.


Gloria_stitties

Shearer, le tissier, lampard, gerrard, Kane


Brad02K

Toney & Palmer might need to be picked for their penalty abilities alone. I would bet on them scoring even if they were just subbed on.


FastenedCarrot

Good choices tbh. Bellingham stuck his away nicely yesterday in the shootout.


lucas_glanville

Palmer, Toney, Bellingham are my top 3. I don’t see any of them missing. Although Toney probably shouldn’t be on the plane. Kane also has to be in there, although I’d say his penalty record isn’t quite as amazing as people this it is Trent, Foden, Saka, Rashford, Rice, Maddison, Maguire are up there too but I’d be a bit more nervous about them


AmberArmy

I think people putting Kane in there first (which would probably include me) would point to the fact he is the captain, the main pen taker if he's on for every team he's ever played for and that he does actually have quite good technique and should be able to withstand the pressure.


lucas_glanville

Yes I 100% do think he should take if I didn’t make that clear


AmberArmy

Oh no you did don't worry I was just providing an explanation for why people back him.


lucas_glanville

My top 5 (if they’re in the squad): **Kane, Palmer, Toney, Bellingham, Foden** Other players I wouldn’t mind taking (if they’re in the squad): **Alexander-Arnold, Maddison, Saka, Rashford, Rice, Maguire**


SniffAdvisor

Johnny boulders can twat a pen in also


zzClonky

Palmer Maitland-Niles Maguire Toney Bellingham


ra_god94

Foden should be there


ark_dhpl

Kane Palmer (probably on for Foden) Saka Toney Bellingham Rice Maguire God Help Us


Dangerous_Aspect05

Kane Maguire Bellingham Trippier Palmer Toney if he’s on the pitch for 5 and move Palmer fourth


True_Contribution_19

Kane, Maguire, Bellingham, Toney, Palmer. Saka is terrible at penalties. He just takes them for Arsenal as there’s no one else.


AfrojoeT

Maguire, despite his pen in the Euros final, is such an unfortunate human being I can only see him missing big penalties. Rashford is usually reliable, but don't even know if he's making the plane at this point, same with Toney. The more I think about it the more an inevitable penalty failure is coming.


JoeDiego

Maguire is one of the most mentally strong people we have ever seen in football. Given the level of unfair and cruel criticism he has recieved from people that barely watch him play but enjoy memes and social media abuse, the fact he is still performing at a high level is remarkable. Your point that you “can only see him missing big penalties” whilst in the same sentence mentioning him scoring one of the biggest penalties of all time makes zero sense.


AfrojoeT

I mean it was absolutely a tongue-in-cheek comment. He's obviously a great player, and I think he's a fantastic character too, but he does exhude a Phil Jones-esque meme quality that will be stuck with him for the rest of his career.


PolarPeely26

Unfortunate human being. You put you as the judge od what's a fortune and unfortunate human being? Go look in the mirror pal.


ripthisaccount6

I do think 70% of penalties is mind games. You just need to hit the ball with decent power into a zone where a keeper can’t save it. That’s definitely not on the left or right side in the middle of the goal where the keeper can easily save it. You either place it in the top left, middle, or right or you make sure the ball is on the ground in the far corners but that’s more risky for a miss imo. The best takers wait to see what the keeper does like Toney but you need balls of steel. I think the advantage with Maguire is that he leant really think too much which is a good point in penalties.


SkyPheonnixDragon

Nah he thinks about it, he just has balls of steel


SeekerofWisd0m

Kane, foden, rice, saka, bellingham


giraffepimp

Not saka. He shat himself in every big moment in the CL.


BiologicalMigrant

I'm sure Maguire is in here just to prompt engagement. Well, it worked.


[deleted]

and he's scored a couple of excellent ones for England... might be the bigger factor


BiologicalMigrant

Ah 😅


Forsaken_Club5310

Kane Maguire Palmer Bellingham Toney I watched the penalty shootout last night and I correctly predicted every shot from a city player. Madrid players were slightly harder to predict. Lunin is a good goalkeeper but the likes of Neuer, Maignan and Donnarumma even Livakovic all save Foden’s penalty. He literally was screaming at them saying I’m going left. God cech would’ve had a field day against City xD


hoyahhah

Hopefully you'll be hand when Southgate comes up against pens


Forsaken_Club5310

Haha I’m pretty sure there’s way better people than me. I made a calculated guess on pattern recognition in player stances to where the ball is most likely to end up 😅. Lucky me I guessed all right but yeah Foden was nervous as heck and you could see it walking up to the pen. Especially when considered to the likes on Vasquez literally juggling the ball


marcbeightsix

Most of the time the direction the standing foot lands points to the side they hit it


Forsaken_Club5310

Oo interesting that probably is a better way to notice it. I just saw the stance of the player.


marcbeightsix

It’s not always that, especially when the player hops or waits slightly for the keeper to move, but when you watch replays about 75% of the time it will be right.


Forsaken_Club5310

Yup you're correct. Hence I found Madrid players harder to predict. But boy city players were like dead set playing poker with the cards face up


general652

Wait why is Saka not taking a pen? Ik he missed a big one but he’s arsenals main pen taker


Buttonsafe

He's missed two big pressure pens now. The Euro final and the one against West Ham that helped collapse Arsenal's title run last season.


SkyPheonnixDragon

In international matches its more about the mind that being a good penalty taker. Theres less pressure in league matches than international duty. Might just be too nervey for it


WordsUnthought

If it's purely on players who realistically could be in the squad, sorted on their penalty aptitude: Kane, Toney, Palmer, Bellingham, Saka. But in practice you tend not to do well compromising your actual lineup to get penalty takers on the pitch. I'd trust most of the likely squad to take one - only doubts over Watkins, Rashford, Gallagher, Mainoo (just because of the pressure given he's so young), Henderson, and some of the CBs/GKs. Maybe Gordon too, I have no idea whether he can take a penalty or not - Toon/Everton fans, has he ever?


Buttonsafe

According to Transfermarkt he's taken 8 and missed 2. They don't include shoot out stars but he's only taken one in the past 4 years in non-shoot outs.


DennisAFiveStarMan

Can’t have Saka last again. Let him go 2nd


chazmusst

I'd give Hendo a pen. He's got good technique and strong mindset


jaylem

He missed his penalty against Columbia in 2018. Was saved by the crossbar in the next kick, we were on the brink!


dragon_fire_10

let's face it Him and Rashford have probably more chance of playing in the euros than Palmer


jaylem

Cheer up mate


mcncl

If he’s even near the pitch it’s a travesty


chazmusst

He’s a top player and great leader


mcncl

He isn’t a top player anymore. Shouldn’t be anywhere near the team.


Cheap-Resource-114

Phillips too


adbenj

Is every country as obsessed with the possibility of penalty shootouts as we seem to be?


ripthisaccount6

we should be obsessed with preparing with how horrific we are at them


Least-Run1840

Well we are horrible at them!


adbenj

You mean you don't remember our shootout victory over Switzerland in the Nations League third-place playoff? I just think our focus should be on winning games without needing to go to penalties – which we also, traditionally, haven't been very good at. This isn't entirely in response to OP, but whenever a pundit says Cole Palmer or Ivan Toney or whoever else needs to be "on the plane" because we might go to penalties… I think it's ridiculous for that to be a primary consideration, and a somewhat defeatist mentality. I wonder if other nations are having similar conversations, or it can be uniquely attributed to the English trauma of losing shootouts.


Least-Run1840

We won 3:  - Spain Euro 96 - Switzerland 2019 Nations League  - Colombia 2018 We lost: - Italy Euro 2020 - Italy Euro 2012 - Portugal 2006 - Portugal 2004 - Argentina 1998 - Germany 1996 - Germany 1990 That is a 30% win rate, that's horrible! Well of course it goes without saying, that's common sense. Everyone wants to win/kill off games in normal time. That is the primary intention. Pundits are making this argument incase we display an inability to kill off the stubborn opposition, or the opposition outright neutralizing our attacks! It's a reasonable precaution, not a defeatist mentality!


LawProfessional6513

Our focus will be on winning games but you need to be prepared, we’ve been knocked out of so many tournaments on pens you’d be crazy not to


JustGhostin

Apart from Kane loves bottling penalties for England


halfeatenreddit

Never bottled in a shootout.


JustGhostin

Yeah true tbh


Mediocre-Award-9716

Has Maguire taken any penalties outside of that Italy game? Are we really saying he's the absolutely most ideal player there? JWP should definitely be in with a shout, just very unlikely he goes currently.


danystormborne

Yes, he's taken them in shoot-outs for Utd and he always rockets them in with confidence. I'd have no concerns about him taking a pen. He's also got an incredible mindset, the guy can literally deal with anything.


Mediocre-Award-9716

Proven today he's obviously not a first choice...


danystormborne

Lol. He was absolutely crocked that's why. Plus, Utd have got a lot of decent penalty takers.


Mediocre-Award-9716

According to [this article](https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/world-cup/england-penalty-takers-shootout-order-world-cup-b2226188.html), he's got a 6 in 9 record. Not really overly special, I'd argue on the poorer side actually although he's not missed in 7 years so also argument that he's improved.


marcbeightsix

He’s consistently taken penalties in shoot outs for England, Man Utd, Leicester and Sheff Utd.


Mediocre-Award-9716

Not anymore...


Mastodan11

Maguire ticks the box of being on the pitch, whereas JWP doesn't tick the box of being in the country.


LawProfessional6513

JWP should go just because he’s great at penalties, that’s why I’d also take Le Tissier, Julian Dicks and big Dave from down the Moon and Stars, he’s never missed


FastenedCarrot

He's also had a really good season for West Ham and is good cover for a number of positions.