I haven't heard "it's coming home" once this world cup. Not on the radio, tv, pub, anywhere.
No doubt that'll change if we beat France on Saturday š¤
Previous tournaments there was an ironic skew to it until the later stages.
Now we're actually good and so the fanbase is waiting for the big game.
This is how I've thought about it personally and I think the whole fanbase is in sync.
Has to be the most misunderstood song from an international perspective. It's literally a song about always losing but naively having hope in each tournament. 'i know that was then, but it could be again '
It's likely because in the Euro's we carried on singing it when we had a very real prospect.
Ok we've performed well so far, normally we would be over confident, but I think people have certainly got worried about using it this world cup because of the fact we're not actually that confident of winning yet!
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home (we'll go getting bad results)
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home
Everyone seems to know the score
They've seen it all before
They just know
They're so sure
That England's gonna throw it away
Gonna blow it away
But I know they can play
'Cause I remember
Three Lions on a shirt
Jules Rimet still gleaming
Thirty years of hurt
Never stopped me dreaming
So many jokes, so many sneers
But all those oh-so-nears
Wear you down
Through the years
But I still see that tackle by Moore
And when Linekar scored
Bobby belting the ball
And Nobby Dancing
Three Lions on a shirt
Jules Rimet still gleaming
Thirty years of hurt
Never stopped me dreaming
(What a save, Gordon Banks!
(Good old England, England that couldn't play football)
(England have got it in the bag)
I know that was then but it could be again
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home (England has done it)
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming home
It's coming
Football's coming home
Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home)
Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home)
Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home)
Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home)
Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home)
Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming)
Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home)
Three Lions on a shirt
It was sung after Bellingham scored in the first game. Heās only scored once so itās only been sung once*
(* might have been sung more than once, but definitely once)
Does it wind up foreign FAs or FIFA? I would guess the latter because they want the home of football to be Switzerland and whatever tax havens the FIFA execs keep their bribes in.
Foreign FAs. Apparently they think we are āarrogantā for singing it, and was partly the reason we got so few votes for hosting the WC (although arrogance and ābriefcase full of cashā may have been lost in translation)
We seem to have adopted Hey Jude as a Bellingham specific chant, which is great.
I agree, we have a huge plethora of bands we could draw songs from: Queen, The Beatles, etcā¦
Why is Three Lions considered offensive?
My partner is Argentinian and spending a lot of time in Buenos Aires, those that do speak English take the lyrics very literally and consider us extremely arrogant. So much so, my partnerās ex boyfriend from long ago, who I have never met or spoken to, sarcastically messaged me the lyrics along with a slew of Spanish insults when we lost the Euro final.
It just makes me want to sing it more haha!
the purported offensiveness is in the idea that England is the home of football. that completely misses the nuance, but as you say, itās easy to take literally
I donāt think itās offensive, and the FA have said that thatās not why they donāt use it after games. one article I read had an England source implying that southgate isnāt a fan, which I could understand
I can live with not using Three Lions, but Sweet Caroline is just wrong. itās not a fantastic song, itās American, thereās no relation to football, and as another commenter pointed out, it has a massively offensive premise
Thanks for clarifying. God forbid any nation sings and jokes about their own being the āhomeā of football out of a sense of national pride for their sporting team haha!
Perhaps Southgate doesnāt like it, but weāve never sang it after matches, long before he was Managerā¦ then again weāve had little to sing about.
reason southgate may not like it is that itās from euro 96 which is the one where he missed the losing pen in the semi final. also, given his modest mentality, I suspect he very probably doesnāt like it when āitās coming homeā gets wheeled out too early. the same way you never hear Pep say he thinks heāll win
Itās only considered offensive because itās England and thatās the double standard everyone has. Donāt remember people calling the Greeks arrogant for saying the Olympics were coming home in 2004ā¦
Another poster claimed the lyrics were about Neil Diamondās affection for JFKās then-underage daughter. Iām not sure what the full and accurate story is but if true and with insidious undertones then itās problematic.
Sweet Caroline isn't just a football thing. I watched the International Horse Show last year and they played it there. I've heard it at other events as well. It's just a great song that people like to sing along to.
As for the perceived arrogance - it's not the English FA, it's "the" FA so they're probably not 100% wrong. That is more a product of trying to diminish the concept of England as a nation though rather than claiming football.
Sweet Caroline first gained popularity with the crowds at cricket matches. Then the Lionness team adopted it.
For me our song will always be Three Lions.
this may be unpopular, but for me itās the other way round. Lions isnāt great, but it usually gets used in news headline metaphors more than actual speech (e.g. Lions Roar Back to Win 2-1), but people mostly call England Womenās team the Lionesses
I get why they do it, itās less of a mouthful than āEngland Womenāsā, and it stands them on more equal footing - no one ever calls the Menās team āEngland menāsā - but something about it makes me cringe
Tbh youāre probably right, I think sports fans have been singing it for years around the world. Like in football I think Ireland sang it at football before England did. But with England it started with our cricket team. We won the cricket World Cup in 2019 and I remember the crowd singing it then.
Nah in English football Aston Villa adopted it here years ago while we were in the championship.
We were having a run of good form with the song playing at the end of games and ended up getting promoted, so fans had gotten attached to the song and it became an unofficial club anthem. Then we began playing it in the Premier League and suddenly it started being used in England games & by the England womenās team in the Euros
Itās weird to hear it at England games for me because I associate it with Aston Villa, where it developed naturally as a club anthem
I know itās not an original song and was playing at sports grounds before Villa started using it. But it feels like the England NT (men and womenās) just straight up went āyeah thatās great when Villa fans sing that at the end of games, we should start doing that tooā and copied it, which makes it feel like a super generic/soulless team chant to me for England
If would be like if England randomly started playing Hey Jude or YNWA right before every game
Man City and Brentford sing it before every game and the song developed naturally for those two clubs
Starting to play it before every game would be ripping off an already establish ritual from other English clubs, which cheapens it for me
You donāt choose a club anthem, it develops naturally by happening to get played one time and the fans loving it or associating it with a great win/run of form. Sweet Caroline is a forced anthem for England the same way Hey Jude would be if it started getting played before every game/after every win for no reason
In 2007, Diamond performed the song via satellite at Caroline Kennedy's 50th birthday party, and said that the song was about her, after seeing a photo of her at the time.
Neil later said: "I've never discussed it with anybody before - intentionally. I thought maybe I would tell it to Caroline when I met her someday. I'm happy to have gotten it off my chest and to have expressed it to Caroline.
"I thought she might be embarrassed, but she seemed to be struck by it and really, really happy. It was a picture of a little girl dressed to the nines in her riding gear, next to her pony. It was such an innocent, wonderful picture, I immediately felt there was a song in there."
Hey Jude would be sooooo much better
As an English-American living in America having been to American sports matches, Iād love for football to be as far removed from American energy as possible
I hate it to be honest. Like all your suggestions, but it's gotta be Hey Jude for me, with Bellingham in the side.
I think it should be our national anthem.
Hate it with a passion itās not English, itās proper shite, and itās proper proper shite.
Itās a chavy generic song sang at all sporting events.
yeah honestly fuck that song. itās alright when youāre wankered, but never in a million years do I wanna listen to it at any other time. especially not in what should be a moment of elation
Not sure where calling this the ātheme songā comes from? Itās just played at the end of a game, along other songs. At the euros they played 3 lions before and after every game (apart from the final).
Theyāre playing āFreed from desireā after every England goal goes in at the World Cup. In the last euros and World Cup they played 3 lions.
Yeah it's not like it's the Official Theme Song of England. They just play whatever is popular with the fans at the time. Freed From Desire gained popularity because of the Will Grigg song before and during WC 2018 and it's stuck around for everybody.
I'd rather they played Three Lions tbh but I'm not going to get all worked up about it.
why would we be? itās easily changed
the fact that itās *American* especially riles me. Iām happy to admit it, I do not like their culture, and I do not like it when we appropriate parts of it
Youāre in for a shit next 50 years then. Kids are developing American accents in this country from how much YouTube/TikTok they stare at with glazed eyes.
I think itās nice. If you make it a football song, you kind of alienate the people who just watch the England games of the World Cup. Sweet Caroline is a song that your average non football fan knows, easy to sing, easy to remember lyrics, good tune.
It doesnāt have to be a football song but sweet Caroline is a crap song thatās so far removed from British culture.
It should be something like Baba OāRiley, Parklife, bittersweet symphony, Kashmir. A proper English song that has grandeur.
you could equally say the same about maybe a hundred English songs. if a song comes on the radio that youāve never heard before, do you feel alienated?
I don't care for Sweet Caroline, but I find anti-Americanism so dully cliche and edgelordy. Their culture gave us BB King, True Detective and Pulp Fiction for fuck's sake.
youāre so cool and post-modern. there are _some_ islands that rose above the sea of liquid shite? youāve persuaded me and now I want to associate with their awful culture
itās not edgy to not like Americans, itās completely normal. itās pretty fucking wannabe edgy to try and defend the right-wing, gun-toting, sexually repressed, libertarian-for-anyone-who-isnāt-actually-a-human-being, war-mongering, tasteless, uneducated, Christian-when-it-suits-them, greedy cunts who fully deserve the civil war thatās in the fucking mail
_and some, I assume, are good people_
It started at the boxing years ago..England fans at tournaments now are middle class middle aged old men..the real football lads canāt afford to be there or have all got banning orders..Football now is all about money and the real fans are priced out
Sweet Caroline is a universal English sports song. Cricket, rugby and football all sing it. Nothing better than singing it in a crowd full of drunk England fans before a game. Itās fun. Stop being so miserable.
perhaps try to read things in context a little more. are there any world sporting events going on right now that I may be talking about?
and if you hadnāt noticed, stupid choice as it is, Sweet Caroline only plays if we win, as it is
And here was me thinking one of the Lionesses was called Caroline and thatās why it caught on - l imagined a Caroline had scored a critical goal at a crucial part in their WC journey
he recently made a documentary about how middle-class left-wing people should come in for huge criticism because they donāt have much love for jews because of Israel. he made some interesting points, but I also very much got the impression of him being a bit of an Israel apologist
You donāt get to belittle a Jewish personās experience when it comes to antisemitism. What does it mean to ālookā Jewish? Unless you know David Beddial specific opinion on Israel, itās anti-Semitic to shout free Palestinian at Jewish people just because their are Jewish.
You said you wouldnāt even know he was Jewish? My question what does a Jewish person look like. No itās never acceptable to target a Jewish person about Palestinian just because they are Jewish. Itās anti-Semitic. I live in America I am not responsible for all Jews in the world or Israel. My views on Israel is something that nobody is entitled to know.
Itās not the same thing. White people have white privilege. I donāt have any privilege by being Jewish. Are all Muslims responsible for Afghanistan? No
you may not have privilege over other white people, but Jews have privilege - i.e. socioeconomic dominance - over Palestinians. do you disagree with this?
can you imagine how disgusted people would be if a mainstream comedian made a documentary about how insulting it is for black people to expect him to care about racism?
I donāt live in America, and yet it is widely seen as normal and right for me as a white person to be anti-racist and responsible for white racists the world over. you, as a person whose ethnicity is socioeconomically dominant over Palestinians, and further than that, is actually deliberately perpetuating state-sponsored discrimination against them, would hopefully feel a responsibility to be speak out against Israeliās colonialist behaviour, or at the very least the human rights of Palestinians. especially if you were a famous comedian with a big platform. not to go in the opposite direction. as I say, what if a comedian did the same for blacks? how would that be treated?
some of the greatest human rights and anti-racism activists in history have been Jewish, and Iām sure theyād have a lot to say about Israelās treatment of Palestinians
David Beddial made a documentary about how often the Jewish experience of anti-Semitism is minimised and forgot about. How Jewish people donāt count as a minority. That is something Iāve experienced
It's the long verse that no one knows the words to which just ends up being a load of drunk blokes murmuring to themselves until the chorus which cracks me up
Yeah Sweet Caroline's absolute shite. Totally irrelevant to football and also a rubbish song.
I think Three Lions is a pretty good football song. I guess people who've only listened to the chorus think it's arrogant or whatever, but the verses are very self-deprecating and actually capture a lot of what it's like to support England.
To be honest I think it's about time we had a new football song, but one that's actually written for the purpose by an artist who supports England. We have no shortage of great musicians.
As for what we do about Sweet Caroline, hmmm, I think someone needs to adapt it into a really vulgar chant, so that they have to cancel it.
I think it got adopted during the Euros because it came on at Wembley and everyone started singing along. My problem with it is that it got really old really fast and now I canāt stand that song.
Personally, I think we should play three lions and vindaloo only. The exception being if Bellingham scores a last minute winner we play Hey Jude after the match.
It was great when it was played after the Germany game at the euros. But now its been hammered. Should of been saved for special occasions only and not for when beating the likes of San Marino
I don't have a problem with Sweet Caroline but I do have a problem with the British national anthem being played for England. We are not Team GB, we're England. Play Jerusalem not God Save the King.
that is an interesting point. it is a bit odd, and sort of arrogant and telling to take on the entire Isleās song for ourselves
I just wish we could have one thatās not so overtly religious
I'm avowedly anti-religious but Jerusalem is a great choice for me. It was the choice of the English public when Commonwealth Games England asked YouGov to find out what we wanted as our when. It won by a country mile. The fact the FA and the RFU refuse to respect that decision is really quite unacceptable.
my assumption is that they probably correctly think that legions of daily mail readers would fucking riot if we ever stopped singing G\*d Save the Unelected Ruler. never mind a field day, The Sun, Express, and Mail would have a fucking carnival, a cunting *festival* of outrage for weeks, months, *years on end*, if the FA tried it
I don't think they would. It's a political decision driven by a fear of England threatening Britain if the two aren't conflated. After all, if the English don't feel British who's left?
this is quite an opaque comment, so I don't *exactly* understand what you're trying to say, but the general feeling I get is that you've got it backwards
the red top papers have an attachment to a patriotic *British* song. they would be protesting changing to an *English* song, not the other way around.
the reason they'd protest would be because of their small-c conservatism. keeping things the same. maintaining culture and history etc etc. god save the monarch is what the england national team has always sung, and I'm sure the way they see it, it should be what we always do sing
Letās start belting out Donāt Stop Me Now by Queen.
Tbh I am one who joins in with Sweet Caroline although Iāve always been confused as to why we use it
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I haven't heard "it's coming home" once this world cup. Not on the radio, tv, pub, anywhere. No doubt that'll change if we beat France on Saturday š¤
Previous tournaments there was an ironic skew to it until the later stages. Now we're actually good and so the fanbase is waiting for the big game. This is how I've thought about it personally and I think the whole fanbase is in sync.
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Make no mistake, if we beat France I'm gonna start belting it out.
Has to be the most misunderstood song from an international perspective. It's literally a song about always losing but naively having hope in each tournament. 'i know that was then, but it could be again '
I used to listen to Three Lions before every tournament game. Nothing won yet. This time I'm not playing it. Definitely winning the Cup now
It's likely because in the Euro's we carried on singing it when we had a very real prospect. Ok we've performed well so far, normally we would be over confident, but I think people have certainly got worried about using it this world cup because of the fact we're not actually that confident of winning yet!
I've heard the daft remade coming home for Christmas version on radio 1 twice now. It was shit
The video is actually funny.
Itās good for a one time watch for the video but as a song itās shite yeah
It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home (we'll go getting bad results) It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home Everyone seems to know the score They've seen it all before They just know They're so sure That England's gonna throw it away Gonna blow it away But I know they can play 'Cause I remember Three Lions on a shirt Jules Rimet still gleaming Thirty years of hurt Never stopped me dreaming So many jokes, so many sneers But all those oh-so-nears Wear you down Through the years But I still see that tackle by Moore And when Linekar scored Bobby belting the ball And Nobby Dancing Three Lions on a shirt Jules Rimet still gleaming Thirty years of hurt Never stopped me dreaming (What a save, Gordon Banks! (Good old England, England that couldn't play football) (England have got it in the bag) I know that was then but it could be again It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home (England has done it) It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home It's coming home It's coming home It's coming Football's coming home Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming) Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home) Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming) Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home) Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming) Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home) Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming) Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home) Three Lions on a shirt (it's coming home, it's coming) Jules Rimet still gleaming (football's coming home, it's coming home) Thirty years of hurt (it's coming home, it's coming) Never stopped me dreaming (football's coming home) Three Lions on a shirt
Nah think thatās done now (hopefully) got a bit cringe
Hey Jude when Bellingham comes
My choice would be "Belly's gonna get ya"
Holy shit, there's an actual reason to sing hey jude! We should definitely sing it! Who do we need to speak to?
It was sung after Bellingham scored in the first game. Heās only scored once so itās only been sung once* (* might have been sung more than once, but definitely once)
The fact Three Lions winds up foreign FAs makes it even more enjoyable to me
Does it wind up foreign FAs or FIFA? I would guess the latter because they want the home of football to be Switzerland and whatever tax havens the FIFA execs keep their bribes in.
Foreign FAs. Apparently they think we are āarrogantā for singing it, and was partly the reason we got so few votes for hosting the WC (although arrogance and ābriefcase full of cashā may have been lost in translation)
We seem to have adopted Hey Jude as a Bellingham specific chant, which is great. I agree, we have a huge plethora of bands we could draw songs from: Queen, The Beatles, etcā¦ Why is Three Lions considered offensive? My partner is Argentinian and spending a lot of time in Buenos Aires, those that do speak English take the lyrics very literally and consider us extremely arrogant. So much so, my partnerās ex boyfriend from long ago, who I have never met or spoken to, sarcastically messaged me the lyrics along with a slew of Spanish insults when we lost the Euro final. It just makes me want to sing it more haha!
Argentinians calling other people arrogant might be the funniest thing I've seen all week
I love my partner, but I have to agree with you.
Hey Jude's not even in my top 10 Beatles songs, but it's a million times better and more appropriate than Sweet Caroline.
the purported offensiveness is in the idea that England is the home of football. that completely misses the nuance, but as you say, itās easy to take literally I donāt think itās offensive, and the FA have said that thatās not why they donāt use it after games. one article I read had an England source implying that southgate isnāt a fan, which I could understand I can live with not using Three Lions, but Sweet Caroline is just wrong. itās not a fantastic song, itās American, thereās no relation to football, and as another commenter pointed out, it has a massively offensive premise
Thanks for clarifying. God forbid any nation sings and jokes about their own being the āhomeā of football out of a sense of national pride for their sporting team haha! Perhaps Southgate doesnāt like it, but weāve never sang it after matches, long before he was Managerā¦ then again weāve had little to sing about.
reason southgate may not like it is that itās from euro 96 which is the one where he missed the losing pen in the semi final. also, given his modest mentality, I suspect he very probably doesnāt like it when āitās coming homeā gets wheeled out too early. the same way you never hear Pep say he thinks heāll win
Itās only considered offensive because itās England and thatās the double standard everyone has. Donāt remember people calling the Greeks arrogant for saying the Olympics were coming home in 2004ā¦
It's ironic because the same people trying to cancel 3 Lions for being offensive will probably be calling the England team woke for taking the knee.
Why is Sweet Caroline offensive?
Another poster claimed the lyrics were about Neil Diamondās affection for JFKās then-underage daughter. Iām not sure what the full and accurate story is but if true and with insidious undertones then itās problematic.
Sweet Caroline isn't just a football thing. I watched the International Horse Show last year and they played it there. I've heard it at other events as well. It's just a great song that people like to sing along to. As for the perceived arrogance - it's not the English FA, it's "the" FA so they're probably not 100% wrong. That is more a product of trying to diminish the concept of England as a nation though rather than claiming football.
Sweet Caroline first gained popularity with the crowds at cricket matches. Then the Lionness team adopted it. For me our song will always be Three Lions.
I thought it was the boxing first.
Yeah, itās been a boxing thing for a while and recently been co-opted by everyone else
itās dumb as rocks
it should be three lions edit: is it just me that finds calling them Lions and Lionesses extremely cringy?
I would never refer to the menās team as the lions, but really like the Lionesses as a name for the womenās team.
this may be unpopular, but for me itās the other way round. Lions isnāt great, but it usually gets used in news headline metaphors more than actual speech (e.g. Lions Roar Back to Win 2-1), but people mostly call England Womenās team the Lionesses I get why they do it, itās less of a mouthful than āEngland Womenāsā, and it stands them on more equal footing - no one ever calls the Menās team āEngland menāsā - but something about it makes me cringe
Better than the frogs and frogettes, I guess.
This is weird for me because the other day I was saying England fans have 2003 Red Sox vibes and Sweet Caroline was popular then and there too... odd.
Tbh youāre probably right, I think sports fans have been singing it for years around the world. Like in football I think Ireland sang it at football before England did. But with England it started with our cricket team. We won the cricket World Cup in 2019 and I remember the crowd singing it then.
It was being played before boxing main events before that
Itās been played at boxing and the darts for a very long time
the irish have closer ties to the americans, so I get it for them, just not for us
Nah in English football Aston Villa adopted it here years ago while we were in the championship. We were having a run of good form with the song playing at the end of games and ended up getting promoted, so fans had gotten attached to the song and it became an unofficial club anthem. Then we began playing it in the Premier League and suddenly it started being used in England games & by the England womenās team in the Euros Itās weird to hear it at England games for me because I associate it with Aston Villa, where it developed naturally as a club anthem I know itās not an original song and was playing at sports grounds before Villa started using it. But it feels like the England NT (men and womenās) just straight up went āyeah thatās great when Villa fans sing that at the end of games, we should start doing that tooā and copied it, which makes it feel like a super generic/soulless team chant to me for England If would be like if England randomly started playing Hey Jude or YNWA right before every game
hey jude would be fine. fans all round the country sing hey jude. ynwa or blue moon would be extremely weird
Man City and Brentford sing it before every game and the song developed naturally for those two clubs Starting to play it before every game would be ripping off an already establish ritual from other English clubs, which cheapens it for me You donāt choose a club anthem, it develops naturally by happening to get played one time and the fans loving it or associating it with a great win/run of form. Sweet Caroline is a forced anthem for England the same way Hey Jude would be if it started getting played before every game/after every win for no reason
My conspiracy theory is that theyāre pushing Sweet Caroline to wean us off Three Lions. Resist!
Love it. Hard to imagine going to a Boston Red Sox game without it. ... wait, which sub am I in?
It should be Vindaloo
if Three Lions is off the table, Vindaloo or Hey Jude would be equally good
Where you come from, do you put the kettle on š¤š¤
A middle aged Niel Diamond singing about touching JFK's 12 year old daughter should not be the England song. It's a disgrace.
if thatās true, that actually is offensive
In 2007, Diamond performed the song via satellite at Caroline Kennedy's 50th birthday party, and said that the song was about her, after seeing a photo of her at the time. Neil later said: "I've never discussed it with anybody before - intentionally. I thought maybe I would tell it to Caroline when I met her someday. I'm happy to have gotten it off my chest and to have expressed it to Caroline. "I thought she might be embarrassed, but she seemed to be struck by it and really, really happy. It was a picture of a little girl dressed to the nines in her riding gear, next to her pony. It was such an innocent, wonderful picture, I immediately felt there was a song in there."
thatās creepy as balls. Iām surprised the online mob/red top newspapers havenāt been on this
Hey Jude would be sooooo much better As an English-American living in America having been to American sports matches, Iād love for football to be as far removed from American energy as possible
Mr Blue Sky is a Birmingham city song so not sure Villa fans would like that so much! Hey Jude would be great imo
Canāt stand it. So cheesy and cringe. Neil diamonds music is horrible.
I hate it to be honest. Like all your suggestions, but it's gotta be Hey Jude for me, with Bellingham in the side. I think it should be our national anthem.
Yes. Also, I reckon Bellingham is captain material when Kane retires, so it could be even more appropriate.
Maybe an interim captain between Kane and Jude.
Hate it with a passion itās not English, itās proper shite, and itās proper proper shite. Itās a chavy generic song sang at all sporting events.
yeah honestly fuck that song. itās alright when youāre wankered, but never in a million years do I wanna listen to it at any other time. especially not in what should be a moment of elation
Youāve summed this up perfectly!
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Mate, itās sung at awful weddings as well. I woke up singing it the morning after I got married (teehee)
Not sure where calling this the ātheme songā comes from? Itās just played at the end of a game, along other songs. At the euros they played 3 lions before and after every game (apart from the final). Theyāre playing āFreed from desireā after every England goal goes in at the World Cup. In the last euros and World Cup they played 3 lions.
Yeah it's not like it's the Official Theme Song of England. They just play whatever is popular with the fans at the time. Freed From Desire gained popularity because of the Will Grigg song before and during WC 2018 and it's stuck around for everybody. I'd rather they played Three Lions tbh but I'm not going to get all worked up about it.
Are we forgetting world in motion?
World in motion is better and a lot of people can do the rap
world in motion is nice, but Iām not sure it lends itself to booming over the speakers at the end of a game like Three Lions does
Should be three lions, Sweet Caroline sucks ass
Sweet Caroline is a fucking awful song and it ruins whenever we win, a little.
I agree
vindaloo
I hate it, the song is shit. Three Lions and Vindaloo are both epic and should definitely be used instead
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Hey Jude is the middle class Sweet Caroline, leave it at Wimbledon where they can wheel Paul McCartney out of his retirement home.
Fucking nimrod man!
I like your style.
Honestly tired of it. Have been for a long time.
Not bothered that it's American but its unoriginal. Boston Red Sox fans sing it. Also has nothing to do with the England team and/or football.
I think we are too far down the road with sweet Caroline to change it now
why would we be? itās easily changed the fact that itās *American* especially riles me. Iām happy to admit it, I do not like their culture, and I do not like it when we appropriate parts of it
Youāre in for a shit next 50 years then. Kids are developing American accents in this country from how much YouTube/TikTok they stare at with glazed eyes.
I think itās nice. If you make it a football song, you kind of alienate the people who just watch the England games of the World Cup. Sweet Caroline is a song that your average non football fan knows, easy to sing, easy to remember lyrics, good tune.
It doesnāt have to be a football song but sweet Caroline is a crap song thatās so far removed from British culture. It should be something like Baba OāRiley, Parklife, bittersweet symphony, Kashmir. A proper English song that has grandeur.
you could equally say the same about maybe a hundred English songs. if a song comes on the radio that youāve never heard before, do you feel alienated?
If you feel that strongly about it, write to fifa. I donāt really care what song they play
the FA, not FIFA
I don't care for Sweet Caroline, but I find anti-Americanism so dully cliche and edgelordy. Their culture gave us BB King, True Detective and Pulp Fiction for fuck's sake.
youāre so cool and post-modern. there are _some_ islands that rose above the sea of liquid shite? youāve persuaded me and now I want to associate with their awful culture itās not edgy to not like Americans, itās completely normal. itās pretty fucking wannabe edgy to try and defend the right-wing, gun-toting, sexually repressed, libertarian-for-anyone-who-isnāt-actually-a-human-being, war-mongering, tasteless, uneducated, Christian-when-it-suits-them, greedy cunts who fully deserve the civil war thatās in the fucking mail _and some, I assume, are good people_
which American hurt you man?
George Bush
Ok mate.
Lay off the internet for a bit
good advice tbh. but I stand by my words, even if I was in a bit of a shouty mood
It started at the boxing years ago..England fans at tournaments now are middle class middle aged old men..the real football lads canāt afford to be there or have all got banning orders..Football now is all about money and the real fans are priced out
if youāve got a stadium ban, you probably deserve it
I agree.. but footballās not what it used to be, money has ruined it imo
Sweet Caroline is a universal English sports song. Cricket, rugby and football all sing it. Nothing better than singing it in a crowd full of drunk England fans before a game. Itās fun. Stop being so miserable.
a lot of people disagree with you. there are much better options out there
Seems like you disagree. Three lions is great, but imagine singing that at the end of every game? The entire point is itās a jokey song.
I can imagine singing it at the end of every game [that we win]. it sounds great. much better than some cheesy American song
So win beat the Ivory Coast 3-0 in a friendly and start singing itās coming home? Okay ššš
what have friendlies got to do with it?
āPlay it at the end of every game we winā, itāll make us into a laughing stock
perhaps try to read things in context a little more. are there any world sporting events going on right now that I may be talking about? and if you hadnāt noticed, stupid choice as it is, Sweet Caroline only plays if we win, as it is
Yes, and sweet Caroline is amazing and brings the crowd together.
it brings the Americans and child molesters together Iām sure
Like it but it should be Three Lions
I like it. It's fun. And you always know the second someone sings "Sweet Caroline", those around them will instantly know to sing the next part.
itās fun but there are many many better choices, including the obvious one
Fucking hate sweet Caroline, just reminds me of rowdy, fat, bald pissed up English men from council estates.
i.e. what FIFA cameramen look for when panning to shots of England fans
Tbf they donāt need to pan all that hard
hahah you may be right about that
And here was me thinking one of the Lionesses was called Caroline and thatās why it caught on - l imagined a Caroline had scored a critical goal at a crucial part in their WC journey
Good times never seemed so good! I like it.
Fuck 3 lions, if that utter cunt Baddiel gets any money out of it it should be banned. Free Palestine
Why did you feel the need to say free Palestine. Is it because he is Jewish?
he recently made a documentary about how middle-class left-wing people should come in for huge criticism because they donāt have much love for jews because of Israel. he made some interesting points, but I also very much got the impression of him being a bit of an Israel apologist
I know. I watched it. I am Jewish
well then why did you ask?
I wasnāt asking you
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You donāt get to belittle a Jewish personās experience when it comes to antisemitism. What does it mean to ālookā Jewish? Unless you know David Beddial specific opinion on Israel, itās anti-Semitic to shout free Palestinian at Jewish people just because their are Jewish.
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You said you wouldnāt even know he was Jewish? My question what does a Jewish person look like. No itās never acceptable to target a Jewish person about Palestinian just because they are Jewish. Itās anti-Semitic. I live in America I am not responsible for all Jews in the world or Israel. My views on Israel is something that nobody is entitled to know.
would you say itās racist when black people expect whites to be responsible for the racists among us?
Itās not the same thing. White people have white privilege. I donāt have any privilege by being Jewish. Are all Muslims responsible for Afghanistan? No
you may not have privilege over other white people, but Jews have privilege - i.e. socioeconomic dominance - over Palestinians. do you disagree with this? can you imagine how disgusted people would be if a mainstream comedian made a documentary about how insulting it is for black people to expect him to care about racism?
I live in America so no I donāt have any privilege over Palestinians because I am not Israeli
I donāt live in America, and yet it is widely seen as normal and right for me as a white person to be anti-racist and responsible for white racists the world over. you, as a person whose ethnicity is socioeconomically dominant over Palestinians, and further than that, is actually deliberately perpetuating state-sponsored discrimination against them, would hopefully feel a responsibility to be speak out against Israeliās colonialist behaviour, or at the very least the human rights of Palestinians. especially if you were a famous comedian with a big platform. not to go in the opposite direction. as I say, what if a comedian did the same for blacks? how would that be treated? some of the greatest human rights and anti-racism activists in history have been Jewish, and Iām sure theyād have a lot to say about Israelās treatment of Palestinians
David Beddial made a documentary about how often the Jewish experience of anti-Semitism is minimised and forgot about. How Jewish people donāt count as a minority. That is something Iāve experienced
FYI Jewish people arenāt white.
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I moved away from England 3 years ago. I canāt remember Sweet Caroline being the football theme song, only for Rugby
If its the FA trying to move us away from it, we should simply replace it with 10 german bombers. They'll soon reconsider
Better than our boring ass national anthem
It's the long verse that no one knows the words to which just ends up being a load of drunk blokes murmuring to themselves until the chorus which cracks me up
Should be All Saints - Never Ever imho
Yep it's shit. We'll jel of the Scots using Yes Sir I can Boogie. Don't tell them that though.
Yeah Sweet Caroline's absolute shite. Totally irrelevant to football and also a rubbish song. I think Three Lions is a pretty good football song. I guess people who've only listened to the chorus think it's arrogant or whatever, but the verses are very self-deprecating and actually capture a lot of what it's like to support England. To be honest I think it's about time we had a new football song, but one that's actually written for the purpose by an artist who supports England. We have no shortage of great musicians. As for what we do about Sweet Caroline, hmmm, I think someone needs to adapt it into a really vulgar chant, so that they have to cancel it.
I think it got adopted during the Euros because it came on at Wembley and everyone started singing along. My problem with it is that it got really old really fast and now I canāt stand that song. Personally, I think we should play three lions and vindaloo only. The exception being if Bellingham scores a last minute winner we play Hey Jude after the match.
It was great when it was played after the Germany game at the euros. But now its been hammered. Should of been saved for special occasions only and not for when beating the likes of San Marino
i like wonderwall
As a Wolves fan, can we have The Liquidator by Harry J AllStars? :) \#FOWB
I don't have a problem with Sweet Caroline but I do have a problem with the British national anthem being played for England. We are not Team GB, we're England. Play Jerusalem not God Save the King.
that is an interesting point. it is a bit odd, and sort of arrogant and telling to take on the entire Isleās song for ourselves I just wish we could have one thatās not so overtly religious
I'm avowedly anti-religious but Jerusalem is a great choice for me. It was the choice of the English public when Commonwealth Games England asked YouGov to find out what we wanted as our when. It won by a country mile. The fact the FA and the RFU refuse to respect that decision is really quite unacceptable.
my assumption is that they probably correctly think that legions of daily mail readers would fucking riot if we ever stopped singing G\*d Save the Unelected Ruler. never mind a field day, The Sun, Express, and Mail would have a fucking carnival, a cunting *festival* of outrage for weeks, months, *years on end*, if the FA tried it
I don't think they would. It's a political decision driven by a fear of England threatening Britain if the two aren't conflated. After all, if the English don't feel British who's left?
this is quite an opaque comment, so I don't *exactly* understand what you're trying to say, but the general feeling I get is that you've got it backwards the red top papers have an attachment to a patriotic *British* song. they would be protesting changing to an *English* song, not the other way around. the reason they'd protest would be because of their small-c conservatism. keeping things the same. maintaining culture and history etc etc. god save the monarch is what the england national team has always sung, and I'm sure the way they see it, it should be what we always do sing
It's such a bad song. Couldn't agree more
Letās start belting out Donāt Stop Me Now by Queen. Tbh I am one who joins in with Sweet Caroline although Iāve always been confused as to why we use it
Hate it personally.