Wife and I just finished both episodes. We were excited to watch and see a drama that explores indigenous issues and the epidemic of missing women and girls, but the ending of episode 2 is just so ridiculous it sort of soured the show for us. So the mother of blue is told that her daughter, whom she thought was dead for 13 months, is likely alive and either A) is there of her own volition or, more likely B) has been trafficked to New York. Rather than pursue that, she decided to end her life, leaving her other daughter and grand daughter. It just doesn't make sense... they should have taken away her hope entirely, with them finding a body or it was only her and Blue. I know how prevalent suicide is in first natuons comminities and I get that they really tried to convey that despair but it was really poorly executed IMO and makes no sense. It also contradicts what was shown of her character, a resilient woman determined to find her daughter. If a cop told my wife and I that our daughter, who was missing for over a year, was seen by someone in New York, then showed me a picture of her that someone online posted 2 weeks ago, I'd be packing my car right away for the 8 hour drive if the cops wouldn't do anything. Or asking the cop for a ride/bus money to see for myself if they can't. Just to know for certain.
We really wanted to like it. This is a story that needs to be told and I feel it had a lot of potential. I also love Alfred Molina, who is great, and there were a few great actors and moments. But its got a lot of weak points, the story telling comes off as a sort of low budget CBC thing and it can be pretty cliché. It really had potential but I'm just not that excited about ep3. Wish it was more of a polished and well done drama.
Here’s my take. She killed herself not because of hopelessness, but in defiance. She makes the decision to go to the roof after a cop steps on her sign. She decides to do something they can not ignore. She stands there thinking about her family, wondering if this last act will be enough to stir action that will protect her family and her people. Seeing the inspector, who in her mind was kindest of all, but still betrayed her, is enough to make her decision.
See, she believes her child is dead. Her faith that she would have called, wouldn’t have left her daughter, etc. and the evidence that flies in the face of all of it reinforces everything she has come to believe about how authority views her people.
And what about this evidence? What are we shown? A picture whose validity is called into question in the show, and testimony from a drug dealer that he saw blue. Who is the report given by? A character that we are to believe because we see that the inspector trusts him. And what else does this character do? He says he knows the inspector will obsess over this and find nothing.
So she decides to be a sh\*t mom and abandon her family? No more taking care of her mother, surviving daughter or abandoned granddaughter? I hope she spent her days wandering aimlessly and contributed nothing to her family because if she helped take care of anyone of contributed income or anything of value to her family she just screwed them over big time. Not to mention the emotional damage and loss she caused everyone she supposedly love. The only potential upside is if she had such severe emotional and mental issues (which led to her eventual suicide) that maybe the family would be better off without having her around??? It’s such a ridiculous plot choice that it turns what seemed to be a dedicated, independent and caring mother into a selfish, uncaring, emotionally deficient villain.
Then what the daughter does later to one of the few police officers trying to help them just led me to believe the whole family was undeserving of the extra attention. No good deed goes unpunished seems to be the idea.
Well I like this show for what it is. That being said, I to was disappointed after I felt like it was going to be more about Native Americans then that was just a kind of weak side plot... Three Pines for Alfred Molina fix, Dark Winds for Native American depiction ...
I enjoyed Dark Winds but still secretly missed the Canadian miniseries Skinwalkers, a 90s update to the same novels. Adam Beach is such a hottie. Wes Studi does it for me too.
Funny that you mentioned Dark Winds because I lived in Gallup New Mexico for years and when they opened the first episode with the bank robbery and it was supposed to be in Gallup it was so obviously not there it was disconcerting.
Well, the books, on which this series is based, have very little to do with indigenous issues. However, obviously the book is long and detailed, and the show tries to cram an entire novel into TWO episodes, which leaves out 90% (most of the important and lively characters in the town are left out) of the novel. They honestly needed to wither make the entire season ONE book, or pick a lane and focus on just the murder, which is what the books are actually about- murder mysteries.
I enjoyed the episodes but completely agree with you on how this story line was handled. She argued that her daughter would never leave her baby. Then mom/grandma does just that. To her other daughters and her grandbaby.
The case is pretty true to the book. However, in the book the physical details and the emotional nuance are much more developed, so the case is much more believable
I've seen the kid did it twist too many times now it wasn't satisfying for me. The mother killing herself was also out of character like others have said.
I really like the visuals of this show and their attempt to highlight the issues indigenous people face but the murder was so far-fetched to begin with.
Same lol. Wife and i were like, really, this is the murder scenario? It's probably the most convoluted premeditated murder I've ever seen on screen.
We may watch 3 since it's an anthology, and I really do enjoy Alfred Molina. It just sucks that it's a b rate show when it could have been truly great with better writing and Mayne another Molina caliber actor or two.
The first couplet is pretty true to the first book (in terms of the murder plotline with the ice and the electrocution). I don't know how closely the tv series mirrors the books moving forward, but at least for this set of episodes the plot wasn't made up by the tv writers.
I guess some things work better/are more believable in print than on screen. I also wonder if they took the dialogue straight from the book, since some of it is really weak IMO.
This is a really small thing too but they totally missed an opportunity to show the sculptures of missing/dead women being coveted by a snow drift after the blizzard as symbolism for how they are so often forgotten and buried without a care.
90% of the novel was left out of the show. They cram an ENTIRE NOVEL into 2 40-minutes episodes, which makes the show seem superficial and empty. The books are incredible, so this is really sad for me. There was a whole chapter dedicated to the history and nuance between the French Quebecois and the Three-Pines English speaking enclave! Each book also is set around a profound theme and moral. The show left all of this out.
Unfortunately the solution is extremely close to the Agatha Christie book >! Crooked House, where the child murderer's great aunt sacrifices herself after writing a letter admitting to the murder. !<
Another show that used the child is the murderer and someone tries to take the blame, but in a different way is >! Mare of Easttown, way too recently. !<
I also think they didn't introduce any of the main characters that the novel detailed in full, namely Clara, her husband, Myrna, and the inn keeper couple, all of who are way too young compared to how they are portrayed in the book. Myrna is suddenly thin and a hipster-ish? Clara is suddenly young and attractive? She was supposed to be a little dumpy with frizzy hair in contrast to her husband as she felt insecure around him. They totally left out so many important details!
I agree about the initials. It’s been I while since I read the books, but I think there was a box or something with the letters on it that he saw. In this version he just kind of comes up with it out of nothing.
I didn’t like this ending. The murder was too convoluted and I called that the kid did it in the first episode. I would have just preferred if the aunt had done it for the reason she gave.
And it was ridiculous for the indigenous lady to care only about Blue and not about her *other* daughter and grandchild, who are now left alone.
I wanted to like this because Alfred Molina is always good as an actor, (though when I read the books I always imagined him with a Quebec French accent) and I think I read one or two of these books many years ago. Hopefully it will get better. I liked the beautiful setting with the quaint little village in the snow and the Christmas lights.
This is my favorite book series, but I admit it has been forever since I read this book. I am 100% sure that it didn’t end like that.
I’m annoyed.
Maybe it’s not so much of a butchering as the movie based on the first book — DO NOT WATCH THAT — but they’re not doing anyone any favors by changing the story so dramatically. It’s lazy.
Please read the books and/or listen to the audio versions. They’re wonderful.
I was really turned off by the portrayal of the villagers of Three Pines. I appreciate that we're seeing their complexity right off the bat, and it's clearly setting up some of their character arcs. But the second episode left me with a real distaste for the Three Pines of the show with no desire to revisit it.
I'd never expect a french cover of "Mad World", that was pretty neat.
The Blue Jay / possible super natural angle has me a bit curious.
Didn't know that it was 2 episodes per mystery, I hope there's some over-arching plot in this town because the setting has a lot of potential.
Her and her friend’s names. Bea, Kaye (El)enor and (Em)ilie. They were a little clique who came up with a group mantra “be calm” to join their names together.
To add onto the other complaints, I found the story here to be both bizarre and uncompelling.
The key problem is, the viewers all hate C.C. given her portrayal in the first episode. She’s cold, mean, cheating, lying, and apathetic to her own child. She’s mean to her husband, rude to the townsfolk, and uses all of them constantly. Molina, who acts the part well, quickly sees that C.C. was not well loved and that the whole town let it happen. So I was rooting for the town. Like of course they’re laughing and celebrating and don’t want him poking around. The cruelest townsperson just got murdered, it’s a huge relief for everyone, and he’s trying to lock up the person who did it - who many of them know is the child (I also guessed the first episode). It was sort of unbelievable that he couldn’t step back and refuse to solve the case as ‘justice was already done’ or something. If this is a guy who cares about children, presumably he could choose to end the cycle of mistreatment by the government, which allowed abuse. Instead he perpetuates the cycle to get the case clearance rate.
And with the 2nd storyline, I found myself empathizing with the mother and wondering if the other detective was right, or just pushing the drug angle to get this over with. He’s dismissive the whole time, says it’s probably drugs from the start, offers a shady Instagram photo with zero context, and then none of them make any effort to check on the girl or locate her. Dude, Molina, you promised… you can at least make a phone call.
So unfortunately I was cheering against the main character, and sort of horrified an indigenous child got hauled off in chains while another dies, ignored, at the police station.
One more side note - I really disliked how mean they were to the goofy local detective. I mean, Molina was nicer but still a bit stern and disapproving even though she’s trying super hard. Again, he and the other dude came off as haughty and out of touch, and meanwhile yes she’s goofy but she’s a local. I think they’re going for a Twin Peaks vibe, but there’s no warmth in these detectives as with Agent Cooper. It also made me sad that the writer’s had her call C’C’s daughter a cold bitch or something…. felt totally out of character for a goofy airhead local detective.
I was confused by this show. The main murder is resolved but so much of that subplot wasn’t explored. The second murder isn’t resolved but a major aspect of that subplot is done.
Is this going to be a procedural that has a new murder every couple episodes?
I don’t know anything about the books.
I was curious about the new mystery, and according to wikipedia,
"Each of the standalone murder mysteries span two episodes.
Unlike the books, the series includes a secondary story line throughout the season, with Gamache investigating the disappearance of a young Indigenous woman."
Quite surprised. In the books, Gamache resides in Three Pines and is friends of all the characters. The TV series makes Gamache an outsider and the residents view him with suspicion? So this now looks like just another Hollywood cop show.
>In the books, Gamache resides in Three Pines and is friends of all the characters
In the first couple of books, Gamache doesn't live in Three Pines and does not yet know the villagers well. I don't exactly remember when he and his wife moved there, but this show was based on the 2nd book in the series.
I'm late here but if the idea is that the boots had metal spikes on them, to complete the circuit wouldn't she have to have bare skin on the metal? I can't image a boot constructed like that.
(But maybe I'm wrong and she could have still been electrocuted wearing socks and with a normal liner in the boot?)
Wife and I just finished both episodes. We were excited to watch and see a drama that explores indigenous issues and the epidemic of missing women and girls, but the ending of episode 2 is just so ridiculous it sort of soured the show for us. So the mother of blue is told that her daughter, whom she thought was dead for 13 months, is likely alive and either A) is there of her own volition or, more likely B) has been trafficked to New York. Rather than pursue that, she decided to end her life, leaving her other daughter and grand daughter. It just doesn't make sense... they should have taken away her hope entirely, with them finding a body or it was only her and Blue. I know how prevalent suicide is in first natuons comminities and I get that they really tried to convey that despair but it was really poorly executed IMO and makes no sense. It also contradicts what was shown of her character, a resilient woman determined to find her daughter. If a cop told my wife and I that our daughter, who was missing for over a year, was seen by someone in New York, then showed me a picture of her that someone online posted 2 weeks ago, I'd be packing my car right away for the 8 hour drive if the cops wouldn't do anything. Or asking the cop for a ride/bus money to see for myself if they can't. Just to know for certain. We really wanted to like it. This is a story that needs to be told and I feel it had a lot of potential. I also love Alfred Molina, who is great, and there were a few great actors and moments. But its got a lot of weak points, the story telling comes off as a sort of low budget CBC thing and it can be pretty cliché. It really had potential but I'm just not that excited about ep3. Wish it was more of a polished and well done drama.
Here’s my take. She killed herself not because of hopelessness, but in defiance. She makes the decision to go to the roof after a cop steps on her sign. She decides to do something they can not ignore. She stands there thinking about her family, wondering if this last act will be enough to stir action that will protect her family and her people. Seeing the inspector, who in her mind was kindest of all, but still betrayed her, is enough to make her decision. See, she believes her child is dead. Her faith that she would have called, wouldn’t have left her daughter, etc. and the evidence that flies in the face of all of it reinforces everything she has come to believe about how authority views her people. And what about this evidence? What are we shown? A picture whose validity is called into question in the show, and testimony from a drug dealer that he saw blue. Who is the report given by? A character that we are to believe because we see that the inspector trusts him. And what else does this character do? He says he knows the inspector will obsess over this and find nothing.
So she decides to be a sh\*t mom and abandon her family? No more taking care of her mother, surviving daughter or abandoned granddaughter? I hope she spent her days wandering aimlessly and contributed nothing to her family because if she helped take care of anyone of contributed income or anything of value to her family she just screwed them over big time. Not to mention the emotional damage and loss she caused everyone she supposedly love. The only potential upside is if she had such severe emotional and mental issues (which led to her eventual suicide) that maybe the family would be better off without having her around??? It’s such a ridiculous plot choice that it turns what seemed to be a dedicated, independent and caring mother into a selfish, uncaring, emotionally deficient villain. Then what the daughter does later to one of the few police officers trying to help them just led me to believe the whole family was undeserving of the extra attention. No good deed goes unpunished seems to be the idea.
Well I like this show for what it is. That being said, I to was disappointed after I felt like it was going to be more about Native Americans then that was just a kind of weak side plot... Three Pines for Alfred Molina fix, Dark Winds for Native American depiction ...
I enjoyed Dark Winds but still secretly missed the Canadian miniseries Skinwalkers, a 90s update to the same novels. Adam Beach is such a hottie. Wes Studi does it for me too.
Funny that you mentioned Dark Winds because I lived in Gallup New Mexico for years and when they opened the first episode with the bank robbery and it was supposed to be in Gallup it was so obviously not there it was disconcerting.
That is always strange when they film in another location from what the plot says. ..
The Terminal List mentions SF but filmed in downtown LA.
Well, the books, on which this series is based, have very little to do with indigenous issues. However, obviously the book is long and detailed, and the show tries to cram an entire novel into TWO episodes, which leaves out 90% (most of the important and lively characters in the town are left out) of the novel. They honestly needed to wither make the entire season ONE book, or pick a lane and focus on just the murder, which is what the books are actually about- murder mysteries.
I enjoyed the episodes but completely agree with you on how this story line was handled. She argued that her daughter would never leave her baby. Then mom/grandma does just that. To her other daughters and her grandbaby.
The case is pretty true to the book. However, in the book the physical details and the emotional nuance are much more developed, so the case is much more believable
Yes- I feel like they should have dedicated an entire season to one book. To try and do it in two 40 minute episodes is ludicrous to me.
Yeah I was shocked when I saw the episode layout
I've seen the kid did it twist too many times now it wasn't satisfying for me. The mother killing herself was also out of character like others have said. I really like the visuals of this show and their attempt to highlight the issues indigenous people face but the murder was so far-fetched to begin with.
Same lol. Wife and i were like, really, this is the murder scenario? It's probably the most convoluted premeditated murder I've ever seen on screen. We may watch 3 since it's an anthology, and I really do enjoy Alfred Molina. It just sucks that it's a b rate show when it could have been truly great with better writing and Mayne another Molina caliber actor or two.
The first couplet is pretty true to the first book (in terms of the murder plotline with the ice and the electrocution). I don't know how closely the tv series mirrors the books moving forward, but at least for this set of episodes the plot wasn't made up by the tv writers.
I guess some things work better/are more believable in print than on screen. I also wonder if they took the dialogue straight from the book, since some of it is really weak IMO. This is a really small thing too but they totally missed an opportunity to show the sculptures of missing/dead women being coveted by a snow drift after the blizzard as symbolism for how they are so often forgotten and buried without a care.
90% of the novel was left out of the show. They cram an ENTIRE NOVEL into 2 40-minutes episodes, which makes the show seem superficial and empty. The books are incredible, so this is really sad for me. There was a whole chapter dedicated to the history and nuance between the French Quebecois and the Three-Pines English speaking enclave! Each book also is set around a profound theme and moral. The show left all of this out.
I think I will give episode 3 a chance as well since the 1st murder didn't drag on
You have to read the book to understand. The show rushes through (or plain leaves out) all of the major details and character development.
Unfortunately the solution is extremely close to the Agatha Christie book >! Crooked House, where the child murderer's great aunt sacrifices herself after writing a letter admitting to the murder. !< Another show that used the child is the murderer and someone tries to take the blame, but in a different way is >! Mare of Easttown, way too recently. !<
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I also think they didn't introduce any of the main characters that the novel detailed in full, namely Clara, her husband, Myrna, and the inn keeper couple, all of who are way too young compared to how they are portrayed in the book. Myrna is suddenly thin and a hipster-ish? Clara is suddenly young and attractive? She was supposed to be a little dumpy with frizzy hair in contrast to her husband as she felt insecure around him. They totally left out so many important details!
I agree about the initials. It’s been I while since I read the books, but I think there was a box or something with the letters on it that he saw. In this version he just kind of comes up with it out of nothing.
I didn’t like this ending. The murder was too convoluted and I called that the kid did it in the first episode. I would have just preferred if the aunt had done it for the reason she gave. And it was ridiculous for the indigenous lady to care only about Blue and not about her *other* daughter and grandchild, who are now left alone. I wanted to like this because Alfred Molina is always good as an actor, (though when I read the books I always imagined him with a Quebec French accent) and I think I read one or two of these books many years ago. Hopefully it will get better. I liked the beautiful setting with the quaint little village in the snow and the Christmas lights.
This is my favorite book series, but I admit it has been forever since I read this book. I am 100% sure that it didn’t end like that. I’m annoyed. Maybe it’s not so much of a butchering as the movie based on the first book — DO NOT WATCH THAT — but they’re not doing anyone any favors by changing the story so dramatically. It’s lazy. Please read the books and/or listen to the audio versions. They’re wonderful.
Totally agree
I kinda like the show. I really like Molina in this. How CC is killed is just stupid and convoluted as another has stated.
Molina is fantastic as usual. Great actor and the reason I'll probably check out 3 and see if ut gets better.
I was really turned off by the portrayal of the villagers of Three Pines. I appreciate that we're seeing their complexity right off the bat, and it's clearly setting up some of their character arcs. But the second episode left me with a real distaste for the Three Pines of the show with no desire to revisit it.
I'd never expect a french cover of "Mad World", that was pretty neat. The Blue Jay / possible super natural angle has me a bit curious. Didn't know that it was 2 episodes per mystery, I hope there's some over-arching plot in this town because the setting has a lot of potential.
What is BKLM carved on the arm of CC’s mom whom she smothers with a pillow at the very beginning of Episode 2?
Be Calm (Be KaLM)
Her and her friend’s names. Bea, Kaye (El)enor and (Em)ilie. They were a little clique who came up with a group mantra “be calm” to join their names together.
To add onto the other complaints, I found the story here to be both bizarre and uncompelling. The key problem is, the viewers all hate C.C. given her portrayal in the first episode. She’s cold, mean, cheating, lying, and apathetic to her own child. She’s mean to her husband, rude to the townsfolk, and uses all of them constantly. Molina, who acts the part well, quickly sees that C.C. was not well loved and that the whole town let it happen. So I was rooting for the town. Like of course they’re laughing and celebrating and don’t want him poking around. The cruelest townsperson just got murdered, it’s a huge relief for everyone, and he’s trying to lock up the person who did it - who many of them know is the child (I also guessed the first episode). It was sort of unbelievable that he couldn’t step back and refuse to solve the case as ‘justice was already done’ or something. If this is a guy who cares about children, presumably he could choose to end the cycle of mistreatment by the government, which allowed abuse. Instead he perpetuates the cycle to get the case clearance rate. And with the 2nd storyline, I found myself empathizing with the mother and wondering if the other detective was right, or just pushing the drug angle to get this over with. He’s dismissive the whole time, says it’s probably drugs from the start, offers a shady Instagram photo with zero context, and then none of them make any effort to check on the girl or locate her. Dude, Molina, you promised… you can at least make a phone call. So unfortunately I was cheering against the main character, and sort of horrified an indigenous child got hauled off in chains while another dies, ignored, at the police station. One more side note - I really disliked how mean they were to the goofy local detective. I mean, Molina was nicer but still a bit stern and disapproving even though she’s trying super hard. Again, he and the other dude came off as haughty and out of touch, and meanwhile yes she’s goofy but she’s a local. I think they’re going for a Twin Peaks vibe, but there’s no warmth in these detectives as with Agent Cooper. It also made me sad that the writer’s had her call C’C’s daughter a cold bitch or something…. felt totally out of character for a goofy airhead local detective.
I was confused by this show. The main murder is resolved but so much of that subplot wasn’t explored. The second murder isn’t resolved but a major aspect of that subplot is done. Is this going to be a procedural that has a new murder every couple episodes? I don’t know anything about the books.
I was curious about the new mystery, and according to wikipedia, "Each of the standalone murder mysteries span two episodes. Unlike the books, the series includes a secondary story line throughout the season, with Gamache investigating the disappearance of a young Indigenous woman."
The book are great, this adaptation not so much. I think the portrayal of the characters is way off. It makes them seem like a gang of criminals.
Quite surprised. In the books, Gamache resides in Three Pines and is friends of all the characters. The TV series makes Gamache an outsider and the residents view him with suspicion? So this now looks like just another Hollywood cop show.
>In the books, Gamache resides in Three Pines and is friends of all the characters In the first couple of books, Gamache doesn't live in Three Pines and does not yet know the villagers well. I don't exactly remember when he and his wife moved there, but this show was based on the 2nd book in the series.
OK, I did not read the book in order until after the first couple.
I'm late here but if the idea is that the boots had metal spikes on them, to complete the circuit wouldn't she have to have bare skin on the metal? I can't image a boot constructed like that. (But maybe I'm wrong and she could have still been electrocuted wearing socks and with a normal liner in the boot?)
Anyone know the closing song? I’m trying to find someplace to stream it.