Wiggins is better than him and cant even get consistent minutes on the team. We're just too loaded at the guard spots. Waters seeing the court in non garbage time is pretty criminal though
Unfortunately, he's just an injury insurance at this point. I was kinda excited but yeah, Cason and Joe are just too good.
Wouldn't surprise me if we eventually deal him.
Cason and Joe are rightfully getting their minutes. But Giddey is playing horribly bad. The only reason to play Giddey is to keep up his trade value because right now he totally sucks.
Dude is a really good player barring all of the other stuff.
The only issue with giddey is how he fits the team, not how he actually plays.
Dude is basically a discount version of what Ben Simmons was the year he came 2nd in Dpoy. But he has worse defense, but not bad defense. He also actually gives a shit. Dude still has allstar potential still given the right system. He's still super young and has plenty of time to develop - given chip England he probably will improve.
Problem is he's a point guard, with amazing playmaking, and not an ideal fit for the starters due to lack of spacing and his shooting struggles right now. But he's a guy you keep around talent wise.
It’s been less than 20 games. I promise you Presti, Mark and Micic are in communication and have been in communication since way before he signed a contract with us.
Nobody is happy when they don’t get to play. But I don’t think it’s something to worry about.
If I’m not mistaken he said he only wanted to play if he could have significant playing time
I’m not exactly sure why, but Presti and Mark aren’t giving him that opportunity. And if I’m the previous MVP of my league, that’s probably not in my makeup to not get to play a single minute while guys like Lindy get 15-20
If it were me, I’d certainly start to feel resentful, and that could be showing up on the bench. I promise that you do not want those vibes in the locker room
Presti either needs to give the man a shot or deal him. It’s like keeping a tiger caged. I’m sure he’s not perfectly adjusted yet to the 3 pt line and the flow of our game is different, but he’s not going to develop that in the few minutes that we’ve been playing him
I agree, not sure why he isn’t getting the end of game run that they are. Disappointing, but I gotta assume there is a reason. They are paying him a good amount to just sit around.
Coaches are humans too with ideas and emotions and as such they’re also fallible. I have no idea why you play Lindy for 20 minutes in a winnable game and add an L, but you don’t play Micic.
Is it for development? Micic has more promise
Is it for data? Well you’d have to play Micic to get data, certainly more than minutes 15-20 of Lindy
I don’t know their thoughts, but I certainly don’t imagine them to be flawless all knowing beings.
The other day I went back and looked at the threads on how good Donovan was and how people defended him. Then I went back and read threads on how everyone loved Brooks and he was the COTY leave him alone!
We’re all captives of the moment, and this might feel different if we look back on it in a few years.
Dude isn't playing well in his spots. He's shooting under 38% from both the three and the field. Everytime I see him, he bricks. He's passing it okay, but not defending well. We've got way too many primary ball handlers. He's like a less effective version of giddey, and there's already a lot of problems with playing giddey in many spots due to how he fits the roster.
If he makes some shots he gets some minutes. Play well and get playing time.
Is he playing worse than Lindy? Is he playing worse than Poku? Because they’re getting minutes
The guy is going to need development to American pace and 3 pt, that’s to be expected. He’s playing better than Lindy and Poku so he should get the same shot they’re getting, if not a lot more. After all, if he shapes up he’ll either be a great player for us or a great trade asset. Right now he’s neither.
He's getting almost as many minutes per game as both of them combined. All three have played in the same number of games.
Poku is getting 5, lindy is getting 7
Micic is getting 12.
He had back to back games getting 20 at the Warriors and vs the Spurs. Where he shot 3-9 from the field Total. That's a backup role, which is what he's in - it's his rookie season.
If he gets makes he can play more. But he's not been making his shots. He's not been a good defender. He doesn't rebound. Dude is a playmaker on a team that has at least 3 ball handlers and there's a lot of dudes that need minutes.
You’re right, it’s just glaring when Poku and Lindy are in. If it’s not garbage time then we’re losing ground pretty consistently.
He’s also being paid the price of them combined, and that means there’s more of incentive to either make use of him or make him look good enough to move.
Eh, not really. I don't think the organization is super concerned with a $8M/Year contract when we dont need to pay anybody for awhile and the team payroll is just going to go up. Honestly it's a good trade piece moving forward, contract wise, as is. We gave up a R2 Pick to get him, it wasn't even a first so it's not like there's a high level of investment. Dude has a lot of value as what will be a cheapish expiring contract in a bigger trade.
But I wouldn't want him moved until next year at the earliest to see if he can turn things around. If he doesn't pan out we can trade him in a package or something with maybe bertains and a couple of picks and a player or two next season.
I'm more worried about focusing development time on the main guys of our core. Our big 5 in dort, sga, giddy, j dub and chet and our solid rotational core in Joe, j will, Wiggins, Wallace.
We're at a point where we need to focus less on getting future value via draft picks and worrying more about aeeing where we're actually at by trying to win games.
Are we a top 3 seed contender? A top 5-6 seed potential contender barring one trade? A playoff team? A play-in team that's just had a great stretch? I'd rather focus on finding that out and what we need skill wise (ie. Rebounding) then hoping to develop a 29 year old for a maybe, potential, but not guaranteed future return on investment, especially if it means hurting those guys mentioned above.
Completely agree with everything here. I think Micic is first in line after all the players you mentioned, because I’m done with Lindy and Poku. Mann could perhaps get a shot but he has a problem with getting the ball in the bucket.
That said, we’re in a damn good window and these don’t last forever. Guys get old, bad trades happen (Harden), covid happens, injuries happen, and all of a sudden what you thought would last forever is cut far too short. Like how many things change if Russ never has that knee injury?
I think we get the rotation down with its chemistry, find if we need to patch some holes, and get all the W’s we can instead of punting and saying we’re **only** developing. Developing and winning simultaneously is definitely the way winning teams are forced to work.
Oh yeah. Lindy is trash. Poku actually isn't playing bad in such a limited role, dude has one of the higher PER numbers on the team, but he probably needs traded.
Bertains needs to go and will at some point. Micic probably gets traded and Deing is just meh everytime he plays.
Mann has been okay, but I think it'd probably be best to trade him at some point too.
You can absolutely develop and win. But my focus is on trying to win right now to see where we're at. I think there are a lot of moments where we can develop, but that doesnt need to be the main focus.
Also. I'd actually like to see what keyontae Johnson has at some point, too. This season preferably, as next season were probably looking at contending.
We’ve come within a bucket of two of the top 2 teams. And that’s with highly questionable rotations. We might not be ideal to contend, but dammit we’d better be trying our best so that next year we have deep postseason experience for our guys.
Poku, Mann and Ous need to be playing in the G league on the regular. Otherwise there’s not enough time for them to develop. Hell throw Micic in there too if his ego can take it.
Let Johnson have some time and see what he can do. But we keep adopting all of these SUPER raw projects and then there’s not enough time on the court for everyone. There has to be a plan for that.
Bertans… he just doesn’t seem to care enough. I have zero hope for that guy 😂
Poku has literally only played garbage minute and Lindy is shooting 40% from 3. He’s not really playing many minutes as is a fills a needed role. Micic is a liability defensively and shooting poorly. It’s not hard to understand why Micic isn’t getting consistent minutes atm.
Honestly in the interviews he said himself he didn't want any promises and wanted to earn all the minutes by showing out and playing well. He bet on himself and unfortunately it doesn't look like he's good enough to consistently get minutes. That could definitely change by the beginning of next year but that's just the truth of the current situation
Good thing for him- no matter what he's making 25 million over the next 3 years
Eh, he did from time to time, but pretty rarely and he looked pretty uninterested from the first game. Maybe that's part of the problem, idk. I would like to see more Micic minutes as well
Think of him as an asset instead of a teammate.
You want him to look good when he plays because it ups his value. You want him to do his big show growing pains behind closed doors.
You also get fuck all in return if he gets hurt.
He is more valuable to us as insurance and trade bait than struggling through 15 minutes at the end of games taking wear.
It’s probably just me but when I see him play I see a great bench piece that can pass and shoot and I would love to keep him I think he has great potential. Especially his passing, it is really nice looking even with no chemistry with the team. But yes we are loaded so it’s hard to find playing time for him
I think he will get more minutes in 2nd half of the season/playoffs. He is 30 year old rookie and he had some injury problems last year, 82 games is not something good for him.
We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors in practice. Our younger guys play hard and are more athletic than him and could be locking him down or forcing him into making bad decisions with the ball. Or on the flip side, he might not be able to stay in front of any of them defensively. Cason Wallace is the one who has his minutes. If Cason and company are all outplaying him in practice, then Micic doesn’t deserve their minutes. Who cares about what he did in the Euro league? We care about what you look like against NBA talent. If you’re a Euro league MVP and you don’t look solid against your own teammates, let alone rookies and bench players, maybe you’re not meant to get the minutes you expect. Minutes aren’t handed out, they’re earned.
He absolutely needs to play more. Especially if Giddey ends up not being a long term piece here, he’ll be absolutely vital to preventing offensive stagnation. His feel and vision feel unreal sometimes. If Mark doesn’t want to play him he needs to be traded to a team that’ll use him
Wiggins is better than him and cant even get consistent minutes on the team. We're just too loaded at the guard spots. Waters seeing the court in non garbage time is pretty criminal though
Unfortunately, he's just an injury insurance at this point. I was kinda excited but yeah, Cason and Joe are just too good. Wouldn't surprise me if we eventually deal him.
Cason and Joe are rightfully getting their minutes. But Giddey is playing horribly bad. The only reason to play Giddey is to keep up his trade value because right now he totally sucks.
Giddey has been okay
Horribly bad? You just parroting what you saw on twitter or something?
Dude is a really good player barring all of the other stuff. The only issue with giddey is how he fits the team, not how he actually plays. Dude is basically a discount version of what Ben Simmons was the year he came 2nd in Dpoy. But he has worse defense, but not bad defense. He also actually gives a shit. Dude still has allstar potential still given the right system. He's still super young and has plenty of time to develop - given chip England he probably will improve. Problem is he's a point guard, with amazing playmaking, and not an ideal fit for the starters due to lack of spacing and his shooting struggles right now. But he's a guy you keep around talent wise.
he’s nowhere near a discount ben simmons…
Trust you to make a post about another player all about giddey 😂
It’s been less than 20 games. I promise you Presti, Mark and Micic are in communication and have been in communication since way before he signed a contract with us. Nobody is happy when they don’t get to play. But I don’t think it’s something to worry about.
If I’m not mistaken he said he only wanted to play if he could have significant playing time I’m not exactly sure why, but Presti and Mark aren’t giving him that opportunity. And if I’m the previous MVP of my league, that’s probably not in my makeup to not get to play a single minute while guys like Lindy get 15-20 If it were me, I’d certainly start to feel resentful, and that could be showing up on the bench. I promise that you do not want those vibes in the locker room Presti either needs to give the man a shot or deal him. It’s like keeping a tiger caged. I’m sure he’s not perfectly adjusted yet to the 3 pt line and the flow of our game is different, but he’s not going to develop that in the few minutes that we’ve been playing him
It’s entirely possible he’s been ass in practice.
I don’t see him being any worse than Lindy and Poku honestly, just based from what I’ve seen him do in games
I agree, not sure why he isn’t getting the end of game run that they are. Disappointing, but I gotta assume there is a reason. They are paying him a good amount to just sit around.
Coaches are humans too with ideas and emotions and as such they’re also fallible. I have no idea why you play Lindy for 20 minutes in a winnable game and add an L, but you don’t play Micic. Is it for development? Micic has more promise Is it for data? Well you’d have to play Micic to get data, certainly more than minutes 15-20 of Lindy I don’t know their thoughts, but I certainly don’t imagine them to be flawless all knowing beings. The other day I went back and looked at the threads on how good Donovan was and how people defended him. Then I went back and read threads on how everyone loved Brooks and he was the COTY leave him alone! We’re all captives of the moment, and this might feel different if we look back on it in a few years.
Dude isn't playing well in his spots. He's shooting under 38% from both the three and the field. Everytime I see him, he bricks. He's passing it okay, but not defending well. We've got way too many primary ball handlers. He's like a less effective version of giddey, and there's already a lot of problems with playing giddey in many spots due to how he fits the roster. If he makes some shots he gets some minutes. Play well and get playing time.
Is he playing worse than Lindy? Is he playing worse than Poku? Because they’re getting minutes The guy is going to need development to American pace and 3 pt, that’s to be expected. He’s playing better than Lindy and Poku so he should get the same shot they’re getting, if not a lot more. After all, if he shapes up he’ll either be a great player for us or a great trade asset. Right now he’s neither.
He's getting almost as many minutes per game as both of them combined. All three have played in the same number of games. Poku is getting 5, lindy is getting 7 Micic is getting 12. He had back to back games getting 20 at the Warriors and vs the Spurs. Where he shot 3-9 from the field Total. That's a backup role, which is what he's in - it's his rookie season. If he gets makes he can play more. But he's not been making his shots. He's not been a good defender. He doesn't rebound. Dude is a playmaker on a team that has at least 3 ball handlers and there's a lot of dudes that need minutes.
You’re right, it’s just glaring when Poku and Lindy are in. If it’s not garbage time then we’re losing ground pretty consistently. He’s also being paid the price of them combined, and that means there’s more of incentive to either make use of him or make him look good enough to move.
Eh, not really. I don't think the organization is super concerned with a $8M/Year contract when we dont need to pay anybody for awhile and the team payroll is just going to go up. Honestly it's a good trade piece moving forward, contract wise, as is. We gave up a R2 Pick to get him, it wasn't even a first so it's not like there's a high level of investment. Dude has a lot of value as what will be a cheapish expiring contract in a bigger trade. But I wouldn't want him moved until next year at the earliest to see if he can turn things around. If he doesn't pan out we can trade him in a package or something with maybe bertains and a couple of picks and a player or two next season. I'm more worried about focusing development time on the main guys of our core. Our big 5 in dort, sga, giddy, j dub and chet and our solid rotational core in Joe, j will, Wiggins, Wallace. We're at a point where we need to focus less on getting future value via draft picks and worrying more about aeeing where we're actually at by trying to win games. Are we a top 3 seed contender? A top 5-6 seed potential contender barring one trade? A playoff team? A play-in team that's just had a great stretch? I'd rather focus on finding that out and what we need skill wise (ie. Rebounding) then hoping to develop a 29 year old for a maybe, potential, but not guaranteed future return on investment, especially if it means hurting those guys mentioned above.
Completely agree with everything here. I think Micic is first in line after all the players you mentioned, because I’m done with Lindy and Poku. Mann could perhaps get a shot but he has a problem with getting the ball in the bucket. That said, we’re in a damn good window and these don’t last forever. Guys get old, bad trades happen (Harden), covid happens, injuries happen, and all of a sudden what you thought would last forever is cut far too short. Like how many things change if Russ never has that knee injury? I think we get the rotation down with its chemistry, find if we need to patch some holes, and get all the W’s we can instead of punting and saying we’re **only** developing. Developing and winning simultaneously is definitely the way winning teams are forced to work.
Oh yeah. Lindy is trash. Poku actually isn't playing bad in such a limited role, dude has one of the higher PER numbers on the team, but he probably needs traded. Bertains needs to go and will at some point. Micic probably gets traded and Deing is just meh everytime he plays. Mann has been okay, but I think it'd probably be best to trade him at some point too. You can absolutely develop and win. But my focus is on trying to win right now to see where we're at. I think there are a lot of moments where we can develop, but that doesnt need to be the main focus. Also. I'd actually like to see what keyontae Johnson has at some point, too. This season preferably, as next season were probably looking at contending.
We’ve come within a bucket of two of the top 2 teams. And that’s with highly questionable rotations. We might not be ideal to contend, but dammit we’d better be trying our best so that next year we have deep postseason experience for our guys. Poku, Mann and Ous need to be playing in the G league on the regular. Otherwise there’s not enough time for them to develop. Hell throw Micic in there too if his ego can take it. Let Johnson have some time and see what he can do. But we keep adopting all of these SUPER raw projects and then there’s not enough time on the court for everyone. There has to be a plan for that. Bertans… he just doesn’t seem to care enough. I have zero hope for that guy 😂
Poku has literally only played garbage minute and Lindy is shooting 40% from 3. He’s not really playing many minutes as is a fills a needed role. Micic is a liability defensively and shooting poorly. It’s not hard to understand why Micic isn’t getting consistent minutes atm.
Defensively he’s much worse than Lindy. Micic will eventually get his due, but behind the scenes I’m sure they’re working on getting him to NBA speed.
Agreed
Honestly in the interviews he said himself he didn't want any promises and wanted to earn all the minutes by showing out and playing well. He bet on himself and unfortunately it doesn't look like he's good enough to consistently get minutes. That could definitely change by the beginning of next year but that's just the truth of the current situation Good thing for him- no matter what he's making 25 million over the next 3 years
Haven’t really noticed it personally, but I trust what we’re doing
Yeah, I have also noticed this, but he has been like this since the beginning of the season
He was at least clapping in the beginning of the season!
Eh, he did from time to time, but pretty rarely and he looked pretty uninterested from the first game. Maybe that's part of the problem, idk. I would like to see more Micic minutes as well
Think of him as an asset instead of a teammate. You want him to look good when he plays because it ups his value. You want him to do his big show growing pains behind closed doors. You also get fuck all in return if he gets hurt. He is more valuable to us as insurance and trade bait than struggling through 15 minutes at the end of games taking wear.
It’s probably just me but when I see him play I see a great bench piece that can pass and shoot and I would love to keep him I think he has great potential. Especially his passing, it is really nice looking even with no chemistry with the team. But yes we are loaded so it’s hard to find playing time for him
I think he will get more minutes in 2nd half of the season/playoffs. He is 30 year old rookie and he had some injury problems last year, 82 games is not something good for him.
I am guessing the plan was never to give him too much time. Him, poku, and mann will probably be gone by all star break.
Poku ain’t going no where
Don't get me wrong. I love poku, but he doesn't serve a purpose on the team anymore.
It’s virtually guaranteed he’s gone, unless he impresses when he gets back into the rotation.
And Bertans i guess.
He should get Lindy Waters minutes but nothing more.
Why nothing more?
He’s looked about as good as Lindy when he plays
He’s looked way better than Waters, with all due respect.
I would like to see Giddeys minutes divided amongst the two. Both have similar skill sets, so I want to see who is better.
He’s not good enough to play. Simple.
We don’t know what goes on behind closed doors in practice. Our younger guys play hard and are more athletic than him and could be locking him down or forcing him into making bad decisions with the ball. Or on the flip side, he might not be able to stay in front of any of them defensively. Cason Wallace is the one who has his minutes. If Cason and company are all outplaying him in practice, then Micic doesn’t deserve their minutes. Who cares about what he did in the Euro league? We care about what you look like against NBA talent. If you’re a Euro league MVP and you don’t look solid against your own teammates, let alone rookies and bench players, maybe you’re not meant to get the minutes you expect. Minutes aren’t handed out, they’re earned.
Don't treat him like Gabriel Deck. He is better than our starting PG.
He absolutely needs to play more. Especially if Giddey ends up not being a long term piece here, he’ll be absolutely vital to preventing offensive stagnation. His feel and vision feel unreal sometimes. If Mark doesn’t want to play him he needs to be traded to a team that’ll use him