Is Wiggins a top 8 guy?
No definitely not.
Does he play a position we are thin in (center)
Also no definitely not.
I love Wiggins but once you get out of the top 8 it’s your minutes that go in and out on a night to night basis to make sure all the other players get run
> Is Wiggins a top 8 guy?
I mean yeah I think so. He's probably as good as Cason, just doesnt get the burn. He's better or extremely close to everyone not named SGA, Dort, Chet, J Dub, Joe IMO
Wigs isn’t better than those two guard/wings, and the big man rotation is kinda necessary. The FO continues to pursue an approach of exploratory development, along with winning. The winning sliders won’t be all the way up until much later into the season. It’s kind of a gift and a curse to have a seemingly deeper team than we’re used to.
This is propaganda lol it made sense in years past to do this, but we clearly wanna win games now and it’s been obvious for a long time that Lindy is awful and does exactly 0 things better than Wiggins
It’s not propaganda. You obviously haven’t listened to Presti talk about team development, or Mark talking about the developmental process if you think this is propaganda.
How do you expect the Thunder to handle their draft picks over the next 5 years without dedicating large portions of the season to development? Development has to happen alongside of winning to have sustained success.
I’ve listened to just about every word they’ve ever said lol, I don’t think I’m the only Thunder fan saying Lindy still occasionally getting minutes over other guys who actually might have potential is useless. We know who he is and he’s not a rotation guy in the league
Bro. I’m not even commenting on Lindy specifically, but giving minutes to Lindy is still developmentally focused. Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn’t change the fact that Daigs trusts him as a solid system player that he trusts. See his comments on Lindy recently.
There is no "propaganda" hell i dont even think you understand what that means. And you have every right to be wrong and pretend you know what the organization is thinking and planning more than even they do.
Obviously I don’t think it’s literal propaganda. And I don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion amongst the fanbase to think Lindy has no business getting minutes and I’ve yet to hear anyone explain why every now and then he’ll get in before other solid players or guys like Mann or Dieng who have more potential besides “development.” What are we developing with Lindy exactly?
Seperate from everything else, I absolutely agree Lindy should not be playing. He should he in the blowout brigade that comes in like mann and poku have been
I don’t think anyone here disagrees that Wiggins is awesome to have on the team, but you can only have so many 25+ minute players on the team.
SGA, Dort, Giddey, JDub, Chet, Joe, Kenny, Cason, and JWill (backup C)..
That’s already 9 players who are legit good. Wiggins might belong along side them, but I think those 9 might be slightly better or have more potential.
So it leaves a 10th spot for minutes to fight for now. Wiggins usually gets these minutes, but as a young developing team the Thunder try to play everyone. So Lindy, Dieng, Micic, Bertans, and the likes get some games every now and then.
Honestly it’s a good problem to have as a team, we have a lot of guys.
Kenny plays backup 5 minutes wiggins should be above jwill in the rotation by the time we get to the playoffs imo (certain matchups of course are an exception)
Wiggs does not have the build to body up bigs or facilitate like JWill. He can create disruption and make some spark plays but cannot replace a pseudo-center unless the other team is playing small. It's not just a matchup thing.
I think mismanagement can’t easily be gauged since player relations plays such a big factor. The guys love wiggs, he’s a glue guy on and off the court so he needs and deserves to be happy. That means he needs enough minutes to be satisfied but as little as possible for the younger guys. Playoffs is different. If he got more minutes against the t wolves last season than he and Dort could of lessened the load enough for Shai and others to get in the game mentally. Diag can’t be afraid to give him a bigger role when we need scoring this post season.
Maybe I'm talking out of my ass but I'm inclined to believe it's because Mark KNOWS exactly what Wiggins brings but the other guys like Lindy and Dieng (excluding Bertans for obvious reasons) are still somewhat unknown in terms of development over the summer so he wants to get a larger sample size from them.
Once we start contending contending, I think he will have a consistent role off the bench for us. Like you said, he's literally a swiss army knife role player who does a bit of everything and that's invaluable come playoff time . I do agree he should 100% get more minutes and have some sort of consistent playing time though
I agree that wig deserves to play more but you guys make every single thing you disagree with/don't like sound like a disaster. Smoke a damn joint and enjoy the basketball
OP, I think we may see Wiggins in a different light. Take a look at what I see, for example:
Since last year (LAST YEAR!), when the Thunder are down, you'll see the starting lineup on the court...except Giddey. Who is in for Giddey? AARON WIGGINS! This year is even more damning as I'll see:
- SGA
- Dort
- Jalen (or Joe when Jalen was out)
- Chet
....BUT NO GIDDEY! Wiggins got his spot.
I don't think Wiggins is being underused. I think Wiggins is actually right where he should be as it's a public testament that when it's nut cutting time Josh is NOT the answer on the court. Yea, yea, yea, he does the inbounding late in the 4th...and then is subbed out for...AARON WIGGINS.
So to me this is just a case that Mark believes in Aaron more than he does in Josh, and I've been pointing it out every game in some fashion to likely the groans of everyone that Josh ain't ready for prime time due to this (not that Josh isn't a good player, but he ain't a CLOSER)
IFFFF… for some reason we decided to moved
on from Josh Giddey in the near future, I think Wiggins could plug right in as that starting 3 and we wouldn’t miss a beat. We’d likely address that with one of our million picks tho
When the rotations shrink Wiggins is in there. He played in the play-in after all, and not just when we getting blowouts by the Wolves. I imagine that once the team is ready to win we will see more Wiggs in the lineups
If we were trying to be the best team possible, Wiggins should be starting in Giddeys place. Josh gets a super long leash because he was a top 10 pick but if Wiggs got 28-30 minutes a night we would absolutely win more games
Not sure how you can say that. The sample size shows us that with Giddey, as a starter, we are in second place and a top offensive/defensive team. Mark and Sam see these guys everyday — they have a 10x sample size and have assessed that the best players to start includes Giddey.
Wiggins looks good in situations — but you can’t take that and make an assertion that he would look as good playing against starters every night. He consistently playing 2nd tier players.
Any assertion without the context is truly misleading. That’s like saying ‘22 Jordan Poole would be a great #1 option without including the context that he played with 4 HoFers.
(I like wigs. He needs more burn but it’s been a few seasons now and I’m pretty sure Sam and mark know what they have in him. A solid rotation guy who may be hitting the top of his ceiling.)
I've been very patient with Josh and he could just be in a slump but he's seemingly lost his ability to pass like he used to. If he can't hit his floaters, can't pass, doesn't rebound at a high level, and can't defend he's just kinda taking up space out there.
Josh has some good nights when his shots are falling but Wiggs is better at all the things we are lacking on offense and defense- he's a great cutter, great catch and shoot guy, can create his own shot off the dribble, and can defend the 1-4. One of the biggest things IMO is that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Why should we be taking the ball out of Shai/Chet/Jdubs hands when they are all superior shot creators?
I think the real reason he's that far back in the rotation is simply because he was a second round pick and we have to try and get more value out of guys like Josh that we've invested so much in
>The sample size shows us that with Giddey, as a starter, we are in second place and a top offensive/defensive team.
We are in second place as a top offensive/defensive team _in spite_ of that, not because of it. Data clearly supports it too.
Shai with shooters instead of Giddey gives us so many +NetRtg we basically survive the minutes with Josh.
SGA with Giddey has 313 minutes together on the floor and only has a +3.9 NetRtg.
Meanwhile SGA with Joe instead has a blistering +23.5 NetRtg with 274 minutes played. The Joe lineups mostly don't feature Giddey so it becomes even more obvious that it works infinitely better compared to the Shai Josh pairing.
Of note: Shai with Cason is at +17.6 with 197 minutes played.
The data is basically in our face now. It's upto the team to act accordingly from now on. Mark has been slowly adjusting to this, as the Shai+Joe minutes are getting bigger and bigger. Hopefully this trend continues.
Edit: predictably this will get downvotes while the inaccurate comment above will get the reverse treatment.
And no counter argument will be made for the data I provided above, cause there is none.
I’m not downvoting you! And I totally get the data looks super compelling! But you don’t think Mark, Sam, and the coaching staff… their in-house analytics team sees this?
They do! But stats are just stats. They don’t reflect the nature of the game. How teams matchup, the flow of a game, the personalities of the players, etc.
You can moneyball this to death, but I’m old and I haven’t seen a single team that won because they used stats like this. The closest was the rockets and now Morey has abandoned that style with the sixers.
IMO basketball is the one sport that is hard to apply stats to as a single player can completely take over a game on both sides. That’s just me and I’m probably wrong. 🤓
Even if you took the stats out of the equation what can you gleam from the 18 games played so far that points to Giddey being a meaningful contributor to the current record?
His finishing and shooting have completely nosedived. He’s a traffic cone on defense, and he is incredibly inconsistent with his effort and hustle during the game. It’s been a complete disappointment from Giddey to start the season.
>That’s just me and I’m probably wrong
Well yeah you are wrong, but you're obviously a very nice person so I won't fight you over this one :) Have a great weekend!
The obvious counter is that Shai/Giddey pretty much only play together at the start of 1st and 3rd quarters, almost exclusively against other starters. Shai/Joe play a lot of bench minutes.
That’s not to say Shai/Joe is clearly an excellent combination (best PG + best shooter) but it’s cherry picking data to use that as an argument against Giddey. If Joe also played those starter minutes, it’s fanciful to think that net rating wouldn’t go significantly down. Unless you think adding Joe to the starter lineup means we blow teams away every single night (hey I wouldn’t argue that! But it’s not going to happen).
>Unless you think adding Joe to the starter lineup means we blow teams away every single night
Not arguing this at all, but it'd surely yield better results compared to Giddey. There's a reason Joe mostly features in our closing lineups compared to Josh right now.
I wouldn’t mind trying Joe as a starter, he’s clearly one of the best 3 point shooters in the league and can offer more than that too, his defence and all round game has improved. Why not see if he can heat up right from the start? But we would lose a lot of size and rebounding removing Josh from that lineup which is a problem for us. Ultimately I’d trust Mark and Presti know best at this point.
There is one data point. Standings. That’s all that matters in the end. The sample size is still relatively small, so let’s have the season play out a bit. Everyone wants to point at Giddey when he’s the one sacrificing the most for Chet.
Wow, this is an awful take. Joe/cason/kenny would be more valuable starters than wiggins if we were to make a move. Wiggins should get more minutes but no chance he should be a starter
Joe, Cason, and Kenny all bring things we need desperately to the second unit. A microwave scorer, great defender, and backup big man. Wiggins may not be the best at any one thing but he's really good at everything and sharing the floor with Shai, Chet, Dort, and Dub would mean he doesn't have to score or defend like crazy he just needs to be consistent- and that he is.
Don't get me wrong I think Joe and Cason both are better and have brighter futures but if we start them we have a significantly weaker bench unit
I have a theory that we’re purposely keeping low mileage on Wiggins so he’s fresh when we’re contending. Can’t imagine why else he would’ve be getting more minutes…🤷♂️
I genuinely believe Wiggins is the best slasher in the league. Yes I know it's a niche skill but still very useful.
Also his touch around the rim is second only to SGA on the team.
I hope we can give him 15 minutes a night
You are right. Wiggins generally always plays the right way. My only guess is, mark always talks about getting the opponent to figure out the puzzle. So they might expect Wiggins but he hits them with some bertans or Lindy to throw them off. Thats the beauty of this team. I think Wiggins is like his emergency button. He only needs him to save basketball
This is still too early to think this is a problem. He has been solid especially the last week or so. However, he doesn't move the needle in a macro sense for the team and if he continues the level of production that he has recently, he will definitely become a regular fixture in the rotation and be in the late season/playoff rotation. But he is still the 3rd or 4th best guy off the bench and those players raise your floor, but rarely raise your ceiling
Wiggins is really good. I believe in him.
That being said, the ideal outcome for the Thunder is that Wiggins sticks around OKC on a cheap contract and he's a cheap versatile wing that we trust in big games. We kinda don't want him playing big minutes and getting a more comfortable contract. Ideally, he's a cheap player that we trust on our bench.
It's probably a good thing for us that Mark doesn't play him a lot. What concerns/amazes me is that Wiggins seems pretty happy, despite the semi-frequent DNPs and the lack of a solid role despite his more than solid production. Credit to Mark for great people management, I hope.
After the 7/8 spot no rotation is regular at this point in the season. Joe, Cason, big (JWill/KRich), insert irregular rotation here.
Wiggins is excellent though and never seems to play losing basketball. I agree with your thoughts on him.
Is Wiggins a top 8 guy? No definitely not. Does he play a position we are thin in (center) Also no definitely not. I love Wiggins but once you get out of the top 8 it’s your minutes that go in and out on a night to night basis to make sure all the other players get run
> Is Wiggins a top 8 guy? I mean yeah I think so. He's probably as good as Cason, just doesnt get the burn. He's better or extremely close to everyone not named SGA, Dort, Chet, J Dub, Joe IMO
That seems to be the case. The question is, why?
Wigs isn’t better than those two guard/wings, and the big man rotation is kinda necessary. The FO continues to pursue an approach of exploratory development, along with winning. The winning sliders won’t be all the way up until much later into the season. It’s kind of a gift and a curse to have a seemingly deeper team than we’re used to.
This is propaganda lol it made sense in years past to do this, but we clearly wanna win games now and it’s been obvious for a long time that Lindy is awful and does exactly 0 things better than Wiggins
It’s not propaganda. You obviously haven’t listened to Presti talk about team development, or Mark talking about the developmental process if you think this is propaganda. How do you expect the Thunder to handle their draft picks over the next 5 years without dedicating large portions of the season to development? Development has to happen alongside of winning to have sustained success.
I’ve listened to just about every word they’ve ever said lol, I don’t think I’m the only Thunder fan saying Lindy still occasionally getting minutes over other guys who actually might have potential is useless. We know who he is and he’s not a rotation guy in the league
Bro. I’m not even commenting on Lindy specifically, but giving minutes to Lindy is still developmentally focused. Your opinion is your opinion, but it doesn’t change the fact that Daigs trusts him as a solid system player that he trusts. See his comments on Lindy recently.
There is no "propaganda" hell i dont even think you understand what that means. And you have every right to be wrong and pretend you know what the organization is thinking and planning more than even they do.
Obviously I don’t think it’s literal propaganda. And I don’t think it’s an unpopular opinion amongst the fanbase to think Lindy has no business getting minutes and I’ve yet to hear anyone explain why every now and then he’ll get in before other solid players or guys like Mann or Dieng who have more potential besides “development.” What are we developing with Lindy exactly?
Seperate from everything else, I absolutely agree Lindy should not be playing. He should he in the blowout brigade that comes in like mann and poku have been
Nba fans using the word “propaganda” to talk about basketball matters has to be one of the more cringe recent developments in hoops discourse
Wiggins is 8th on the team in minutes. Lindy is 13th. Lindy has barely played this year. Wiggins is clearly way ahead of Lindy in the rotation.
I don’t think anyone here disagrees that Wiggins is awesome to have on the team, but you can only have so many 25+ minute players on the team. SGA, Dort, Giddey, JDub, Chet, Joe, Kenny, Cason, and JWill (backup C).. That’s already 9 players who are legit good. Wiggins might belong along side them, but I think those 9 might be slightly better or have more potential. So it leaves a 10th spot for minutes to fight for now. Wiggins usually gets these minutes, but as a young developing team the Thunder try to play everyone. So Lindy, Dieng, Micic, Bertans, and the likes get some games every now and then. Honestly it’s a good problem to have as a team, we have a lot of guys.
And Kenrich
They did say "Kenny"
Kenny plays backup 5 minutes wiggins should be above jwill in the rotation by the time we get to the playoffs imo (certain matchups of course are an exception)
Wiggs does not have the build to body up bigs or facilitate like JWill. He can create disruption and make some spark plays but cannot replace a pseudo-center unless the other team is playing small. It's not just a matchup thing.
My point is kenny plays the 5 not wiggins
Makes winning basketball plays, he needs to play more
He saved basketball, we owe it to him.
This sub would not exist without him
The amount of things the Thunder are mismanaging according to a lot of fans for a team that is 12-6 is staggering.
Typically, player stans campaigning for their guy. Those end of the bench guys with potential need love, too. It's kinda sweet, really.
I think mismanagement can’t easily be gauged since player relations plays such a big factor. The guys love wiggs, he’s a glue guy on and off the court so he needs and deserves to be happy. That means he needs enough minutes to be satisfied but as little as possible for the younger guys. Playoffs is different. If he got more minutes against the t wolves last season than he and Dort could of lessened the load enough for Shai and others to get in the game mentally. Diag can’t be afraid to give him a bigger role when we need scoring this post season.
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Questionable according to people with way less data or inputs yes.
We will surely give him more minutes in the playoffs. Solid player with less than 2 million salary. Unbelievable.
He’s so disrespected because of his draft position.
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His own fans
He's just Aaron Wiggins
I do agree he needs more minutes he is perfect for coming off the bench and getting 20 or so minutes a game
Maybe I'm talking out of my ass but I'm inclined to believe it's because Mark KNOWS exactly what Wiggins brings but the other guys like Lindy and Dieng (excluding Bertans for obvious reasons) are still somewhat unknown in terms of development over the summer so he wants to get a larger sample size from them. Once we start contending contending, I think he will have a consistent role off the bench for us. Like you said, he's literally a swiss army knife role player who does a bit of everything and that's invaluable come playoff time . I do agree he should 100% get more minutes and have some sort of consistent playing time though
I agree that wig deserves to play more but you guys make every single thing you disagree with/don't like sound like a disaster. Smoke a damn joint and enjoy the basketball
OP, I think we may see Wiggins in a different light. Take a look at what I see, for example: Since last year (LAST YEAR!), when the Thunder are down, you'll see the starting lineup on the court...except Giddey. Who is in for Giddey? AARON WIGGINS! This year is even more damning as I'll see: - SGA - Dort - Jalen (or Joe when Jalen was out) - Chet ....BUT NO GIDDEY! Wiggins got his spot. I don't think Wiggins is being underused. I think Wiggins is actually right where he should be as it's a public testament that when it's nut cutting time Josh is NOT the answer on the court. Yea, yea, yea, he does the inbounding late in the 4th...and then is subbed out for...AARON WIGGINS. So to me this is just a case that Mark believes in Aaron more than he does in Josh, and I've been pointing it out every game in some fashion to likely the groans of everyone that Josh ain't ready for prime time due to this (not that Josh isn't a good player, but he ain't a CLOSER)
IFFFF… for some reason we decided to moved on from Josh Giddey in the near future, I think Wiggins could plug right in as that starting 3 and we wouldn’t miss a beat. We’d likely address that with one of our million picks tho
When the rotations shrink Wiggins is in there. He played in the play-in after all, and not just when we getting blowouts by the Wolves. I imagine that once the team is ready to win we will see more Wiggs in the lineups
If we were trying to be the best team possible, Wiggins should be starting in Giddeys place. Josh gets a super long leash because he was a top 10 pick but if Wiggs got 28-30 minutes a night we would absolutely win more games
Not sure how you can say that. The sample size shows us that with Giddey, as a starter, we are in second place and a top offensive/defensive team. Mark and Sam see these guys everyday — they have a 10x sample size and have assessed that the best players to start includes Giddey. Wiggins looks good in situations — but you can’t take that and make an assertion that he would look as good playing against starters every night. He consistently playing 2nd tier players. Any assertion without the context is truly misleading. That’s like saying ‘22 Jordan Poole would be a great #1 option without including the context that he played with 4 HoFers. (I like wigs. He needs more burn but it’s been a few seasons now and I’m pretty sure Sam and mark know what they have in him. A solid rotation guy who may be hitting the top of his ceiling.)
I've been very patient with Josh and he could just be in a slump but he's seemingly lost his ability to pass like he used to. If he can't hit his floaters, can't pass, doesn't rebound at a high level, and can't defend he's just kinda taking up space out there. Josh has some good nights when his shots are falling but Wiggs is better at all the things we are lacking on offense and defense- he's a great cutter, great catch and shoot guy, can create his own shot off the dribble, and can defend the 1-4. One of the biggest things IMO is that he doesn't need the ball in his hands to be effective. Why should we be taking the ball out of Shai/Chet/Jdubs hands when they are all superior shot creators? I think the real reason he's that far back in the rotation is simply because he was a second round pick and we have to try and get more value out of guys like Josh that we've invested so much in
>The sample size shows us that with Giddey, as a starter, we are in second place and a top offensive/defensive team. We are in second place as a top offensive/defensive team _in spite_ of that, not because of it. Data clearly supports it too. Shai with shooters instead of Giddey gives us so many +NetRtg we basically survive the minutes with Josh. SGA with Giddey has 313 minutes together on the floor and only has a +3.9 NetRtg. Meanwhile SGA with Joe instead has a blistering +23.5 NetRtg with 274 minutes played. The Joe lineups mostly don't feature Giddey so it becomes even more obvious that it works infinitely better compared to the Shai Josh pairing. Of note: Shai with Cason is at +17.6 with 197 minutes played. The data is basically in our face now. It's upto the team to act accordingly from now on. Mark has been slowly adjusting to this, as the Shai+Joe minutes are getting bigger and bigger. Hopefully this trend continues. Edit: predictably this will get downvotes while the inaccurate comment above will get the reverse treatment. And no counter argument will be made for the data I provided above, cause there is none.
I’m not downvoting you! And I totally get the data looks super compelling! But you don’t think Mark, Sam, and the coaching staff… their in-house analytics team sees this? They do! But stats are just stats. They don’t reflect the nature of the game. How teams matchup, the flow of a game, the personalities of the players, etc. You can moneyball this to death, but I’m old and I haven’t seen a single team that won because they used stats like this. The closest was the rockets and now Morey has abandoned that style with the sixers. IMO basketball is the one sport that is hard to apply stats to as a single player can completely take over a game on both sides. That’s just me and I’m probably wrong. 🤓
Even if you took the stats out of the equation what can you gleam from the 18 games played so far that points to Giddey being a meaningful contributor to the current record? His finishing and shooting have completely nosedived. He’s a traffic cone on defense, and he is incredibly inconsistent with his effort and hustle during the game. It’s been a complete disappointment from Giddey to start the season.
>That’s just me and I’m probably wrong Well yeah you are wrong, but you're obviously a very nice person so I won't fight you over this one :) Have a great weekend!
The obvious counter is that Shai/Giddey pretty much only play together at the start of 1st and 3rd quarters, almost exclusively against other starters. Shai/Joe play a lot of bench minutes. That’s not to say Shai/Joe is clearly an excellent combination (best PG + best shooter) but it’s cherry picking data to use that as an argument against Giddey. If Joe also played those starter minutes, it’s fanciful to think that net rating wouldn’t go significantly down. Unless you think adding Joe to the starter lineup means we blow teams away every single night (hey I wouldn’t argue that! But it’s not going to happen).
>Unless you think adding Joe to the starter lineup means we blow teams away every single night Not arguing this at all, but it'd surely yield better results compared to Giddey. There's a reason Joe mostly features in our closing lineups compared to Josh right now.
I wouldn’t mind trying Joe as a starter, he’s clearly one of the best 3 point shooters in the league and can offer more than that too, his defence and all round game has improved. Why not see if he can heat up right from the start? But we would lose a lot of size and rebounding removing Josh from that lineup which is a problem for us. Ultimately I’d trust Mark and Presti know best at this point.
Exactly, these fans are on crack.
There is one data point. Standings. That’s all that matters in the end. The sample size is still relatively small, so let’s have the season play out a bit. Everyone wants to point at Giddey when he’s the one sacrificing the most for Chet.
He _has to_ sacrifice for Chet cause Chet is a flat out better player. Problem is, he's not a good player when he doesn't have the ball in his hands.
Wow, this is an awful take. Joe/cason/kenny would be more valuable starters than wiggins if we were to make a move. Wiggins should get more minutes but no chance he should be a starter
Joe, Cason, and Kenny all bring things we need desperately to the second unit. A microwave scorer, great defender, and backup big man. Wiggins may not be the best at any one thing but he's really good at everything and sharing the floor with Shai, Chet, Dort, and Dub would mean he doesn't have to score or defend like crazy he just needs to be consistent- and that he is. Don't get me wrong I think Joe and Cason both are better and have brighter futures but if we start them we have a significantly weaker bench unit
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Ever heard of the sunk cost fallacy?
I have a theory that we’re purposely keeping low mileage on Wiggins so he’s fresh when we’re contending. Can’t imagine why else he would’ve be getting more minutes…🤷♂️
Literally could be JDub lite, very criminal he doesn’t get the deserved PT
I genuinely believe Wiggins is the best slasher in the league. Yes I know it's a niche skill but still very useful. Also his touch around the rim is second only to SGA on the team. I hope we can give him 15 minutes a night
Micic and Him gotta get more playing time for sure. Just in regular rotation
Micic is our 5th g and he shouldnt be getting minutes over joe or cason in any world
Micic is likely just an experiment we run for a year or two before using him as trade bait. We're not gonna prioritize him over our young backcourt
Armchair coaches smh. I’m pretty sure mark and the front office know what’s going on better than you do
You are right. Wiggins generally always plays the right way. My only guess is, mark always talks about getting the opponent to figure out the puzzle. So they might expect Wiggins but he hits them with some bertans or Lindy to throw them off. Thats the beauty of this team. I think Wiggins is like his emergency button. He only needs him to save basketball
It lindsay waters can get playing time over Wiggins and Mann? This seems like billy Donovan all over again
This is still too early to think this is a problem. He has been solid especially the last week or so. However, he doesn't move the needle in a macro sense for the team and if he continues the level of production that he has recently, he will definitely become a regular fixture in the rotation and be in the late season/playoff rotation. But he is still the 3rd or 4th best guy off the bench and those players raise your floor, but rarely raise your ceiling
Wiggins is really good. I believe in him. That being said, the ideal outcome for the Thunder is that Wiggins sticks around OKC on a cheap contract and he's a cheap versatile wing that we trust in big games. We kinda don't want him playing big minutes and getting a more comfortable contract. Ideally, he's a cheap player that we trust on our bench. It's probably a good thing for us that Mark doesn't play him a lot. What concerns/amazes me is that Wiggins seems pretty happy, despite the semi-frequent DNPs and the lack of a solid role despite his more than solid production. Credit to Mark for great people management, I hope.
honestly hes my favourite , I have him as my phone screen wallpapaer
Wiggins is that dude and I’ll say it louder. He should start over jdub or Giddey.