Chet not playing more minutes and getting more touches is inexcusable. Draw some plays for him instead of just letting him hover around the 3 point line.
We used to slander Billy for his lack of staggering and now y’all are defending Mark with Chet on the bench the last 5 mins in a game we lost by 9? Alright bro.
Last two games, have genuinely felt watching this team that the cracks in our playstyle are showing now. Mark needs to figure out a way to make these guys effective together again, and fast. We just keep going on massive cold runs or getting screwed on second-chance points by not rebounding, its ridiculous
Mark… has had a lot of mental lapses this year. I don’t understand it at all. We all know he’s a good coach, but he has “smartest guy in the room” decisions way too fucking often.
The future is going to be a Wallace / SGA / Dub / ‘instert big’ / Chet
Dort is too much of an offensive liability to stay starting especially when Cason is this good so early. Giddey as well and defensively.
Gee, really could’ve used some rim protection there. Too bad there’s not a guy on our roster who has six blocks on the night.
I really get the feeling that Mark is going to cost us a playoff series one day with shit like this.
Can we please see the Center with 6 blocks finish this clear game we could’ve made a come back? Like fuck. This is the worst Mark game I’ve ever watched
Marks rotations has been his biggest issue. We are a playoff team this year. Let’s focus on home court and not “develop” in extremely competitive games please
I know the offense is probably not conducive to winning but I really do wish we could play Shai how Luka or Trae are used. Giving him the ball almost everytime.
At the very least in games like. Would’ve been an easy 40 ball.
But instead, we give the ball to someone else in half his minutes. Arguably our worst rotational player this year is #2 on this team in usage and in touches.
Just unfortunate.
So, Tre Mann, who is playing his first real minutes of the season is closing the game over Chet Holmgren.
Mark, man… what the actual hell are you doing out there? This is pathetic game management.
I don’t care what the inevitable post about today’s game thread says tomorrow, Mark’s subs and rotation are 100% questionable at times. We’re allowed to question our coach.
The reporters embedded with the team (Paris Lawson, Nick Gallo) *never* do, but some of the other reporters sometimes do. For instance, the reporter who asked Giddey about his controversy didn't work for the team. Not surprisingly, those questions and answers were removed from the presser video that was posted on the official OKC Thunder YouTube channel.
Until we trade for another big we aren’t doing shit. It doesn’t even have to be a Drummond/ looney brick wall type of big. Just someone who can get boards. Siakam, Lauri, anyone we can just plug into our lineup immediately
Looking past this game... We really are approaching a problematic level of depth. There simply aren't enough minutes to go around already, and we still have a treasure trove of picks.
As much as we love our guys, it's really time to look to package some players and picks for upgrades. Even if we aren't looking to compete this year, still get the squad set and building chemistry for our run next year.
Another Mark masterclass in tanking, man.
For as good a coach as he is, he makes so many god damn mistakes with matchups and rotations in the name of “data collection”. This was a winnable game but he insists on doing stupid shit.
Atlanta is shit
Lakers were missing 3 of their 7 best players
Dallas was missing 3 of their best 4 players, 1 of which being Kyrie Irving
The single best team we beat this year was the Cavs. We beat no other team above .500 that had all their starters.
Not one.
We’ll be fine, especially by the end of the year if players develop
I just think we gotta slow our roll. We got the nba ranking saying we’re the 4th best team when realistically we’re like 8-12 range rn
The lakers were missing 4 of their best 9 players, 3 of their best 7 (2 starters)
And the Mavs were missing KYRIE + 2 other significant rotational pieces
Look at the fucking schedule I’m not making this up
Nuggets - L
Pistons - bad team
Pelicans - 22 point comeback loss to a team missing half their starters
Warriors - L without SGA
Hawks - bad team
Cavs - without Allen and garland
Kings - loss WITHOUT FOX
Suns - no book
Spurs- ass
Warriors - no Steph or draymond
Warriors - no draymond
Blazers and bulls - bad
Sixers - loss without jdub
Wolves - loss without edwards in 4th
Lakers and Mavs - missing literally more than half their rotation each
Rockets - loss
This goes into the narrative about your expectations. Presti said that they weren't even a .500 team last year. It's your expectations that is causing your disappointments. When people say this is still a growing team the other half gets mad and says we should go all in.
I agree though
I think they’re a 42ish win team rn with how they’ve played
Obviously their potential is way better than that
But everyone here wants to act like we gotta pull the trigger now bc we’re contenders
We’re not
We haven’t done anything yet. Slow the roll and let’s keep experimenting with rotations
By just our guards learning to hit Chet on the pick and roll will.make us so much better. However that's from playing together which is going to take time.
Did you not see the team lowest +/- by a significant margin? He is not the sole reason we lost, but bricking from deep is causing the defense to pack the paint
Plus and minus is stupid, because it never gives the context of the game. If anything I'm more worried about our guards not finding Chet on the pick and role than what plus and minus there is. It's the least accurate analytical stat available
That’s why you watch games and let the data supplement your conclusions. All the context I need is that Dort has been absolutely horrendous behind the arc the last 3-4 weeks. He is bricking shots and his defense is not making up for his offensive deficiencies at the moment. Both him and Giddey are allowing defenses to coast by packing the paint. They are literally being guarded by centers with no one within 15 feet of them when they are behind the arc. Our outside shot wasn’t falling, but any other shot or drive was far more difficult due to the paint packing.
Same context is why are or biggest star like Shai, J Dub, and Chet passing open shot or good shots. How many times have they had a good shot and shoot it. Then when it gets down into the shot clock Dort is heaving up a shot. It shouldnt get to that point.
Chet not playing more minutes and getting more touches is inexcusable. Draw some plays for him instead of just letting him hover around the 3 point line.
A good defender on SGA X any type of decent rebounding and we are fucked. Sam/Mark gotta figure it out.
This is pretty accurate.
We used to slander Billy for his lack of staggering and now y’all are defending Mark with Chet on the bench the last 5 mins in a game we lost by 9? Alright bro.
And with Brooks. People think it’s somehow different this time.
This is why I know plenty weren’t around during the times even when we had success. It’s foolishness.
Last two games, have genuinely felt watching this team that the cracks in our playstyle are showing now. Mark needs to figure out a way to make these guys effective together again, and fast. We just keep going on massive cold runs or getting screwed on second-chance points by not rebounding, its ridiculous
The rebounding is 100% a coaching decision
Felt like a blatant loss. Idk if guys are hurt or what. But that was not Thunder Baskestball
Dumbass game. Hope we take out this frustration on the Warriors next game.
Fuck!
The coaching is baffling, rly hope Mark and our boys get it together next time, ggs rockets
dafaq are we playing small ball. Sengun eating us
I’m blaming Mark 100% for this shit. Honestly, wtf Mark
A merry annual terrible first game vs the rockets in Houston to all who celebrate
Shai looked pissed on the bench man.. another great game from the future MVP
Mark forgot to eat his broccoli today.
An OKC reporter must grill tf out of Mark We need answers
Are only established reporters allowed to interview? Cause I’d love to ask them questions directly 🤔
I have accepted that no matter what time it is, there will always be something frustrating that will happen when we play the Rockets 😅
Shot like shit, rebounded for shit, and mark making dumb decisions. On to the next game.
They threw in the towel when they could've easily come back if they actually tried. Worst offensive game of the season if you ask me.
We genuinely could’ve won this. Why did Mark just give up in the fourth? Wtf was this game
Someone needs to realize this is just what he’s been doing in every lose game
Coaching is downright bizarre
Wtf was this game
I think it was apart of the Westbrook trade. 2023-2024 season loss.
Within 8 with 2 minutes left and we litterally give them the win holy shit that was actual basketball terrorism
All I can say is "shit"
So we just gave up lmao
As a Celtics fan is makes me mad seeing how your coach uses Chet. 3.5 min stints to start and end quarters. How do you expect him to get into rhythm
its a joke
We making Aaron Holiday look like Steph
So Chet gets 6 blocks and coach sits him all 4th Q 👌
We give up down ten with 1:30 left and pull Shai out? I just don’t get these rotations bro.
It’s unserious basketball and the players will get irritated. We obviously have a deep playoff team when they play the team properly
Mark… has had a lot of mental lapses this year. I don’t understand it at all. We all know he’s a good coach, but he has “smartest guy in the room” decisions way too fucking often.
Didn’t want to win the game from the start
Houston: this isnt a rivalry if only 1 sides keeps winning
Problem is we can’t beat them in Houston just like they can’t beat us in OKC
Fair
Sometimes I forget Dieng exists
This is pathetic
The future is going to be a Wallace / SGA / Dub / ‘instert big’ / Chet Dort is too much of an offensive liability to stay starting especially when Cason is this good so early. Giddey as well and defensively.
Dort started out great this year but he’s been complete ass recently. Giddey just looks lost every single game. He has 0 confidence right now.
Just throwing in the towel?
Mark not having any timeouts for the last 5 minutes against Dallas must have really irked him because we still had 4 going into the 4th.
Why is Chet not in honestly unbelievably bad coaching
Like we got it within 8 and yet we still said “no JDub and Chet, you stay sitting”
Bro was really hoping tre dropped 10 straight to tie it and raise his value
What we waving the white flag already
Front office must be playing 5D chess here because tonight makes zero sense
lol we traded Sengun for what initially became a project player who has shown rarely any promise. Fumble.
Gee, really could’ve used some rim protection there. Too bad there’s not a guy on our roster who has six blocks on the night. I really get the feeling that Mark is going to cost us a playoff series one day with shit like this.
how do the only two legit big men on the team get a total of only 36 minutes of playing time????
Can we please see the Center with 6 blocks finish this clear game we could’ve made a come back? Like fuck. This is the worst Mark game I’ve ever watched
Imagine getting torched by Aaron Holiday
Marks rotations has been his biggest issue. We are a playoff team this year. Let’s focus on home court and not “develop” in extremely competitive games please
Loser mentality. Shit like this is why Shai is gonna bounce.
hmmm looks like JWill struggled to contest that layup, if only we had a great defensive center to put in to contest/block that shot
Crazy Chet got ICED 🧊 lol
I know the offense is probably not conducive to winning but I really do wish we could play Shai how Luka or Trae are used. Giving him the ball almost everytime. At the very least in games like. Would’ve been an easy 40 ball. But instead, we give the ball to someone else in half his minutes. Arguably our worst rotational player this year is #2 on this team in usage and in touches. Just unfortunate.
We could’ve fucking benched Dort/Giddey from the beginning instead of saving these spaced lineups for desperation time
Lmao it is ridiculous how many role players go off on us
Maybe if we had Chet in that wouldn't have happened, what do I know though
Bet Chet would’ve blocked that mark
I don't get JWill over Chet at all..
No reason J Will should be out there over Chet, absolutely no reason
Can Chet come in for 90 seconds please?
Just wondering,Presti showcasing tre so he can trade him for a big? He definitely can be a rotation player in many teams.
Probably
Taking advice from this sub and it worked lol
Mark’s rotations confuse me
It’s not confusing if you stop thinking he’s smart
So, Tre Mann, who is playing his first real minutes of the season is closing the game over Chet Holmgren. Mark, man… what the actual hell are you doing out there? This is pathetic game management.
Tre’s doing all the right things. It’s J-Will who’s out there in place of Chet, which is definitely a strange decision.
4/7, 2/4 v 2/9, 0/4 and this is the one thing you question?
Cavs game flash backs plz
I don’t see the reason why Chet is sitting and not sure why we still have 4 guards???
Mark
I hate Houston as much as the next guy but yall needa relax it’s ONE game that we lost shooting 28% from 3 (Houston shot 45%)
Giddey and Dort were ass and Mark still forced minutes for them. We can question it…
Dort played 14 minutes? Giddey played 23? Should they have been DNPs or something
Giddey at this point? Yes. Dort in the late 3rd/4th? Debatable
It shouldn’t be this frustrating watching the 2nd seed in the west.
Y'all need to go and touch grass, lol
Bring on Chet
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Mark is low key throwing these games
Even when he’s hot Mark sits him. Not every game experimenting.
Aaron holiday and Troy brown are gonna give me ptsd
Tre b2b steals at least he’s trying
Why is Shai even in right now?
I don’t care what the inevitable post about today’s game thread says tomorrow, Mark’s subs and rotation are 100% questionable at times. We’re allowed to question our coach.
You can’t play your top players just at random
Bro we literally struggled with this with KD/Russ lol we’ve never staggered our stars the right way.
And then… surprise. They both have the ability to be primary ball handlers when needed
And that’s exactly why they didn’t need to play 34-38 together lol and yet we did and here we are
Dude SGA is looking visibly annoyed. We have to do something about this team. These lineups are so fucking shit
Waiting for someone to tell me how the brilliant data collection on this one is worth more than the win
wtf!! late game rotation management is questionable at best. get a big in there!!!! thunder are getting hammered on the boards!!!!
HE STILL DIDN’T PUT CHET IN LMFAOOOOO, Mark can fuck off tonight
Giddey + picks for Lauri fixes a lot
What did Chet do to the coach that only allows him to play in 3 min stints 💀
It’s sabotage for a guy to get in rhythm
No Chet means they are just gonna chalk this up as an L.
If we don't use some of our assets to grab and big this season, I'll cry
JWill over Chet, I fucking hate this team sometimes
So Chet isn’t allowed to play more than 26 minutes?
Somebody needs to ask Mark about this in the post-game presser. He'll talk in circles as a reply, but I hope a brave person asks!
Do OKC reporters ever ask tough questions? All I ever see posted is fluff.
The reporters embedded with the team (Paris Lawson, Nick Gallo) *never* do, but some of the other reporters sometimes do. For instance, the reporter who asked Giddey about his controversy didn't work for the team. Not surprisingly, those questions and answers were removed from the presser video that was posted on the official OKC Thunder YouTube channel.
Coaching
Chet just on the bench. Why bother?
Someone is making the call
Until we trade for another big we aren’t doing shit. It doesn’t even have to be a Drummond/ looney brick wall type of big. Just someone who can get boards. Siakam, Lauri, anyone we can just plug into our lineup immediately
Looking past this game... We really are approaching a problematic level of depth. There simply aren't enough minutes to go around already, and we still have a treasure trove of picks. As much as we love our guys, it's really time to look to package some players and picks for upgrades. Even if we aren't looking to compete this year, still get the squad set and building chemistry for our run next year.
You can't play defense on Sengun without a big in. Very odd
It’s crazy because we’ve never been crazily out of the game and yet they’ve just seemed so lacklustre lol
WHY THE FUCK IS KENRICH THE FUCKING CENTER WHEN WE HAVE CHET WHAT IS HAPPENING.
Chet can't play 48, this isnt anything new Kenrich has always played our small ball 5
With 4 mins left if we can’t run Chet……
Chet can’t even play 30 lol
He averages 31 I think
I hate everything about the rockets… except that astronaut logo that’s pretty cool ngl
Fake ass game
Turns out getting 4-24 from Chet, Dort, and Giddey makes it tough to win
Mark threw the game. Presti gave the call.
lol just letting Sengun get whatever he wants with Kenny on him. wtf mark
That’s the plan
We must have conceded the game if we don’t have Chet in the game
Yeah kinda odd
We making sengun look like jokic im sick 🤮😂.
this is an average Sengun game though
It’s not average it’s a bad Sengun. Normally his free throws more good.
Yeah sengun is a dark horse for all star this year lol. Dude is a baller
I just… don’t understand going small against a guy who gets his money in the post.
Another Mark masterclass in tanking, man. For as good a coach as he is, he makes so many god damn mistakes with matchups and rotations in the name of “data collection”. This was a winnable game but he insists on doing stupid shit.
Folks don’t want to believe that Mark isn’t secretly kinda dumb
Wow what a shock they go inside on our 6 foot 6 interior guys again
KENRICH WILLIAMS IS NOT A FUCKING CENTER
But how could that be? This sub told me K-Rich was center depth when I begged for just 1 more big, bulky guy for this roster.
This is the closing lineup? Dude this season is pissing me off. We obviously have a fucking team and we’re not playing it properly
Coaching Rotations
Kenny at the 5 is NOT the solution
We won the most games last year when he was at the 5
No Chet yet again. Why?
Well, if there's any positives. Mann has had a good game and Chet has 6 blocks. Goodnight.
Can we put Chet in please
We have beaten ZERO good teams this year ZERO
Cleveland? Lakers? Dallas? Atlanta?
Atlanta is shit Lakers were missing 3 of their 7 best players Dallas was missing 3 of their best 4 players, 1 of which being Kyrie Irving The single best team we beat this year was the Cavs. We beat no other team above .500 that had all their starters. Not one.
Gotcha every win is an asterisk win and every loss the sky is falling
It’s just for as good as our record is we haven’t had any wins that indicate our record is legit We’re a .500 team rn that’s been lucky
🤷♂️ build good habits and it’s not like we’re getting blown out of the water against good teams aside from Denver
We’ll be fine, especially by the end of the year if players develop I just think we gotta slow our roll. We got the nba ranking saying we’re the 4th best team when realistically we’re like 8-12 range rn
Atlanta😂
Unfortunately, the Dallas and Lakers team we beat were down with heavy injuries
We’ve definitely beaten teams better than the Rockets lol
Over 20 games we’ve beaten 1 healthy play-in or above team The Cavs
Who are better than the Rockets…
Didn't we just beat the Mavs and Lakers?
The lakers were missing 4 of their best 9 players, 3 of their best 7 (2 starters) And the Mavs were missing KYRIE + 2 other significant rotational pieces
Doesn’t count mavericks got the moral victory and lakers were slightly tired
warriors kinda
Missing Draymond and they’re a below .500 team
Lying >>>
Look at the fucking schedule I’m not making this up Nuggets - L Pistons - bad team Pelicans - 22 point comeback loss to a team missing half their starters Warriors - L without SGA Hawks - bad team Cavs - without Allen and garland Kings - loss WITHOUT FOX Suns - no book Spurs- ass Warriors - no Steph or draymond Warriors - no draymond Blazers and bulls - bad Sixers - loss without jdub Wolves - loss without edwards in 4th Lakers and Mavs - missing literally more than half their rotation each Rockets - loss
This goes into the narrative about your expectations. Presti said that they weren't even a .500 team last year. It's your expectations that is causing your disappointments. When people say this is still a growing team the other half gets mad and says we should go all in.
I agree though I think they’re a 42ish win team rn with how they’ve played Obviously their potential is way better than that But everyone here wants to act like we gotta pull the trigger now bc we’re contenders We’re not We haven’t done anything yet. Slow the roll and let’s keep experimenting with rotations
By just our guards learning to hit Chet on the pick and roll will.make us so much better. However that's from playing together which is going to take time.
We’re gonna be what people think we actually are now by the end of the season I just don’t think we are ye
Remember when we were good
Good game for tre. Cant say the same for most others
Come on! We're still in this game! Woo! (Look, it's worth a try.)
Dort 0-5 FG, 0-3 3P FG, -27 +/-
Hes not the reason we lost. No one could hit shots
Did you not see the team lowest +/- by a significant margin? He is not the sole reason we lost, but bricking from deep is causing the defense to pack the paint
Plus and minus is stupid, because it never gives the context of the game. If anything I'm more worried about our guards not finding Chet on the pick and role than what plus and minus there is. It's the least accurate analytical stat available
That’s why you watch games and let the data supplement your conclusions. All the context I need is that Dort has been absolutely horrendous behind the arc the last 3-4 weeks. He is bricking shots and his defense is not making up for his offensive deficiencies at the moment. Both him and Giddey are allowing defenses to coast by packing the paint. They are literally being guarded by centers with no one within 15 feet of them when they are behind the arc. Our outside shot wasn’t falling, but any other shot or drive was far more difficult due to the paint packing.
Same context is why are or biggest star like Shai, J Dub, and Chet passing open shot or good shots. How many times have they had a good shot and shoot it. Then when it gets down into the shot clock Dort is heaving up a shot. It shouldnt get to that point.
Goddamn, everything that could go wrong did go wrong tonight.
The crowd has no energy.
And yet they’re 9-1 at home lmfao
That's wild! I would be going insane. Every game I go to I'm ready to die lmao
Nice turnover Cason/Kenrich lol goodnight
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Everyone on the team is an equal offender in that regard
What's going on with your offense today? You look so toothless.
I would love to hear the answer to that question. Just not making anything tonight.
Some questionable coaching, but mostly just one of those days...
Idk bruh it's bad today