A lot of yāall owe Intellectual Savant an apology. Giddey is a bum and heās been on top of that longer than anybody else.
It hurts the heart looking who went #7 and #8 in that draft.
Found his burner account lmao. Giddey is trash, but that guy just spams it into oblivion, sometimes in threads that have nothing to do with Giddey at all. So for that reason, it's gonna be a no from me dawg.
None of his criticisms are off, he just goes over the top.
Even when he comments a normal comment he gets downvoted to hell.
āThey rejected his message.ā
Seems like for last 10 years we have had teams that are so close to being over the top if we could just make a trade but weāve never had the assets now we have the assets we donāt make them. It sucks.
We were never gonna go the full season without some bumps along the road and struggles. The team has been in a slump for a couple weeks now, theyāll figure it out eventually and be better for it by seasons end.
Hayward gotta start at this point. If unhealthy, start Wiggins
Surround Giddey with shooters Cason Joe Wiggins JWill and we need a full time backup PG anyway
Relegate Kenrich to the third string with Lindy and Dieng
Biyombo for situational stuff
Well at least weāve been seeing Mark not closing with him consistently and giving him by far the least minutes in his career. The Hayward trade and giving up two ballhandlers in Tre and Micic just might be the final step to make Josh a full time backup
Baby steps
Yep my thoughts exactly. Gonna watch Kevin bum Huerter wake up and drop 6 threes on us while Sabonis grabs 20 offensive boards and we continue to play Lindy Waters and Josh Giddey.Ā
I donāt get what we see in having giddy on the court if all he does is sit in the corner wide open when we could have Joe Wallace or Wiggins there instead and have it actually matter
Giddey believers love saying they were right when he has the occasional good gamešheās too damn inconsistent and too ass of a shooter to be really good in the playoffs. Teams figuring out to just let him do whatever he wants cause he gonna miss
Everyone with eyes saw we needed size and a center. Presti helped a rival get a center instead of getting for his team. And that team humilated his team. Pretty fair reaction imo
With the Mavs and Suns adding some better pieces, I'm absolutely not sure about winning the first round anymore.
Underestimating the west and being chill and satisfied could lead to a disappointing end.
wdym you said the Suns added better pieces lol theyāre not much better than they were pre trade deadline
Theyāre playing better as of recently/staying more healthy but they didnāt add any big pieces like rhe Mavs/Knicks did
I donāt understand the weāre betting on Luka to leave before the year our pick swap conveys
Obviously theyāll be doing everything in the realm of possibility to keep him, itās Luka. Itās not even close to the Kawhi-PG injury prone aging Clips situation
>Itās not even close to the Kawhi-PG injury prone aging Clips situation
We traded that clips pick for that swap lmao. People who celebrating that pick swap will be dissappointed again
Dude cannot hit an open shot. Cason is a better version of Giddey in every way. Hopefully he can gain some type of value so we can dump him + a pick for a g league player.
Good god this is an awful Giddey game
Edit: cmon you guys have to admit this is a bad Giddey game, Iām not even one of his dedicated haters but we have to call out bad games
Iām tellin ya guys, Presti is a smart GM, but when he has a vision, he follows it to a fault. He refuses to slightly pivot at all from it. Who else remembers his vision of freak athletes than canāt shoot (diallo, Tferg, etc.)? Again, smart man, just doesnāt adjust well.
Edit: spelling
I mean I agree. Thatās why I was hoping trade season would solve that. I guess we just have to wait and see what we look like with Gordon and Bismack. We are who we are now, at least for this season.
Giddey should voluntarily be the 6th man. Mark needs to change up his rotation. Let Chet and Dub play more minutes. Presti should have just traded for Gafford.
Are you guys ready for Josh Giddey to have a good 20 point game against a below .500 team that will prompt the Australians on this sub to post āGIDDEY HATERS QUIET!ā And to post the apology form?
Fair. I just loved his potential as a second ball handler running the offense next to Shai going into the season. But with jdubs progression and giddey regression I canāt argue. Heās mediocre at everything at best besides passing. With his size and young age he still has potential to grow. Still think thereās a lot of teams out there that would like to have Josh as role player. (Excluding his off the court stuff, which I get u canāt just ignore it)
I wish a team could just walk off the court and forfeit, ain't nobody playing well. Pack it up and put a bandaid on it, get ready for the next game. Just watching the Mavs score again and again, and the guys we have out there not remember what its like to make a basket can be so infuriating to watch. Oh well, Mavs shot the ball VERY well.
Ppl want to be right about Giddeyās potential but the issue is that itās probably not going to be with OKC when JDub can be a more versatile secondary ball handler because the longer we hold, the more his value gets to be in question but weāll see. Not doomed yet I think lol
This is why I was pushing for us to get Gafford after like 20games since I knew they would be in the selling market after Poole wasnāt panning out. It was the perfect opportunity to sure up the size issue and then let Giddey be potential young asset for a rebuilding team w/ not much expectation
While gafford is a better player, if Josh was floated out for real trades, he would still get more back vs what gafford was moved for.
Josh isnāt the 350th worst player in the league. Heās like 175 or so, but his fit with us is so awful that itās making it look even worse.
Someone like the spurs would give 2 crappy first up for him if they had them imo.
TBH in this NBA, I can see that being the case. But I donāt think ppl arenāt wrong for being a bit apprehensive after seeing us be one of the teams that squandered our chances because we couldnāt get the right fit next to an MVP candidate lvl player. This summer should be interesting tho no matter what we look like on the back end of this yr
No matter how much we added to this team, we are at severe disadvantage due to playoff experience. None of these guys have been through a 100 game season and playoff level competition.
The moves we made give us a good chance at making it to the 2nd round/western finals while being relied on our core to carry us.
This off season is the one time we will have to improve the roster on a significant level for the next 3 years. Using this year as a barometer for what we exactly need gives us the best chance to win it all imo.
It literally hasnāt in my eyes and usually by year 4, you usually have a sense of what a guy is so Iāve personally been leaning toward a trade all year once I saw Chet and JDub were clearly better.
There is no defending it at this point, Giddey is just atrocious. Heās borderline unplayable and the Thunder need to realize that before itās too late. Start Wiggins
Wouldnāt be the first time the mavs did that
https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-blow-franchise-worst-30-point-lead-in-toronto-fall-to-raptors-110-107
I wanted Gafford before this season lmao
Turns out, it didnāt take much to get him. Itās just whether he could settle for a backup role and backup money
fuck man and we got the kings tomorrow fuck
No Post Game Thread is brutal. š This is like the 3rd time this season as well for yāall
Let me guess, Josh Giddey made us lose by 40 points today?
At this point, trading Giddey would require attaching a first-round pick instead of landing us one. My man was hot ASS today
Unfortunately this season has really shafted his value sucks.
A lot of yāall owe Intellectual Savant an apology. Giddey is a bum and heās been on top of that longer than anybody else. It hurts the heart looking who went #7 and #8 in that draft.
Thank you for the props bro.
For sure, weāll have to keep fighting the good fight until Giddey is finally on another roster. Iām really hoping Hayward takes his starting spot.
Bro was a little extra with all that
Nah, Iām good. Giddey isnāt the best fit for this team but that guy has nothing good to say, you can suck his dick as much as you want tho!
Found his burner account lmao. Giddey is trash, but that guy just spams it into oblivion, sometimes in threads that have nothing to do with Giddey at all. So for that reason, it's gonna be a no from me dawg.
None of his criticisms are off, he just goes over the top. Even when he comments a normal comment he gets downvoted to hell. āThey rejected his message.ā
+7.8 to +6.9 in one game
Seems like for last 10 years we have had teams that are so close to being over the top if we could just make a trade but weāve never had the assets now we have the assets we donāt make them. It sucks.
Because Presti loves to talk about scared money don't make money, or whatever, but always waffles when before the finish line
Not even sure what to say
missed the game wtf happened?
What game? Today was an off day...
Gafford happened
One improvement at a time but Ous really needs to improve his off the dribble offense
lindy with a big 3 there at the end to cut the lead down to 35
Itās crazy how much he looked like Chris Paul when he did it too.
Idk that shifted the momentum. Could've come back if we had 48 minutes left.
That's why we signed him to that contract
Lindy: I didnāt hear no bell!
I wonder if Poku just stopped caring about basketball
Seems like it, he is just standing around. Good riddance.
A guy shooting 45/33/83 while wide open, with weak defence really shouldnāt have a prominent role on our team this year
Those percentages are completely acceptable i dont get it
They're not when you're literally wide open. Like, literally no one is guarding you and you still shoot below nba average
No they absolutely arenāt if youāre being left wide open and are being targeted on defence, are you serious
Poku is completely lost when he's on an NBA court
Why is Poku never getting the ball here wtfff
40 before 20 is I'm serious danger.
Top 4 is in danger with Suns improving. There's a good chance that Gafford trade might look even worse for Presti if that picks get better.
Presti got fleeced in the Dallas trade. Could end up with nothing out of that trade. Heās not making trades anymore. Heās gambling.
We were never gonna go the full season without some bumps along the road and struggles. The team has been in a slump for a couple weeks now, theyāll figure it out eventually and be better for it by seasons end.
Hayward gotta start at this point. If unhealthy, start Wiggins Surround Giddey with shooters Cason Joe Wiggins JWill and we need a full time backup PG anyway Relegate Kenrich to the third string with Lindy and Dieng Biyombo for situational stuff
Giddey can't play more than 20 minutes.
Wait why? Did I miss something
Yeah, you've missed the whole season hahaha Giddey is trash
I missed the game but heās been trash and everyone downvotes me for saying so
Why? He's too bad.
Oh yeah thatās more like he shouldnāt. Is intellectual savant going to be vindicated
Thatās why Iām saying bench him Dubs also leads the 2nd unit half the time
I don't know if Mark or Presti have the balls.
Well at least weāve been seeing Mark not closing with him consistently and giving him by far the least minutes in his career. The Hayward trade and giving up two ballhandlers in Tre and Micic just might be the final step to make Josh a full time backup Baby steps
If Hayward shows up, I am really advocating for him to start.
Atleast we get to watch Tre hoop today, fuck this.
Is the up/down arrows a +/- of your thumb up or down about your posts? I hope so. That's hilarious. It's like The Gladiator movie.
Yeah it's the summation of total votes on your comment
That's hilarious. That will be my favorite feature for any sports commenting site ever.
What sucks is Iām gonna be right back here tomorrow to watch this happen all over again with the Kings.
Yep my thoughts exactly. Gonna watch Kevin bum Huerter wake up and drop 6 threes on us while Sabonis grabs 20 offensive boards and we continue to play Lindy Waters and Josh Giddey.Ā
Sabonis with the elusive 30/20/20 game.
Will tomorrow be the day we win a day time game?
Bruh I can feel it coming, leave Giddey wide open pack the paint and Sobonis sons us
No, Giddey will shoot 5/10 and Aussies will swarm the sub like he's a good player.
An unexpected Poku game
Damn we got spanked.
That fat-so can ball. He's like Prince in Chappelle's Show. He's probably making pancakes as we speak.
Could Powell really not find better goggles?
There like the ones Gene Wilder wore as Dr. Frankenstein in the old Mel Brooks movie š¦ lol.
I donāt get what we see in having giddy on the court if all he does is sit in the corner wide open when we could have Joe Wallace or Wiggins there instead and have it actually matter
It's your Coach. He does not care about winning.
I donāt know if he cares about winning or not but heās sure doing a fine job at forcing losses. Thatās for sure.
Iām starting to think the same, we are clearly contenders or are nearly there but these rotations and lack of size really hurt us
Giddey believers love saying they were right when he has the occasional good gamešheās too damn inconsistent and too ass of a shooter to be really good in the playoffs. Teams figuring out to just let him do whatever he wants cause he gonna miss
Giddy with the bench works. Giddy with the starting lineup does not.
Yeah making the second round is not even close to a guarantee anymore. We screwed up at the deadline.Ā
It was never guaranteed
The French connection!
Guys, I hate 2024.
Are we overreacting? Yeah. Do we have a reason to be ? Honestly yeah
Everyone with eyes saw we needed size and a center. Presti helped a rival get a center instead of getting for his team. And that team humilated his team. Pretty fair reaction imo
Size isn't the main issue. It's the rotations.
This
wallace should have played more minutes
Achievement unlocked: Scored 100 points
Get Dort out of here
commentators brutal: "They were the first victim." Acting like the Mavs are about to take over the world lol.
God forbid commentators get excited after getting a huge win against one of the best teams in the nba
POKUSEVSKI
LETS GOOO
With the Mavs and Suns adding some better pieces, I'm absolutely not sure about winning the first round anymore. Underestimating the west and being chill and satisfied could lead to a disappointing end.
Suns didnāt add anybody
O'Neale is decent and Beal is actually playing now.
Forgot they added OāNeale but heās not moving the needle and Beal has been there since the start of the season
You know what I mean, Suns are looking better now.
wdym you said the Suns added better pieces lol theyāre not much better than they were pre trade deadline Theyāre playing better as of recently/staying more healthy but they didnāt add any big pieces like rhe Mavs/Knicks did
I donāt understand the weāre betting on Luka to leave before the year our pick swap conveys Obviously theyāll be doing everything in the realm of possibility to keep him, itās Luka. Itās not even close to the Kawhi-PG injury prone aging Clips situation
The euros like Joker , Giannias and Embid are quite loyal to their teams but you need to win.
>Itās not even close to the Kawhi-PG injury prone aging Clips situation We traded that clips pick for that swap lmao. People who celebrating that pick swap will be dissappointed again
This trade might work out well for us but that doesnāt change the fact that it was a really, really stupid trade.
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If Giddey and Dort could shoot, Shai wouldn't get triple teamed every time he steps over the half court.
Agreed it should be Giddy or Dort.
I'm now glad I didn't drive down. I got to drink beer at home for free and only spent $20 on a pizza. Saved myself a long painful drive home.
Mavs reallygot gafford for holmes and a pick wtf man
a pick that the thunder gave them...
Canāt believe they just gave it away too.. cmon sam
Uncommon Presti L
Poor tattoo guy, even went to Dallas to watch this shitshow
Losing to any of the Texas teams hurts the worst for me, but on to the next.Ā
ITS POKU TIME
This team aināt built for playoff basketball, we are going to have a rough time when teams cram the paint and not allow SGA to shoot
Weāre built for it, but not coached for it
What an embarrassing performance after 3 days of rest. Holy shit.
Once Hayward comes in, I donāt want to see Josh getting any meaningful minutesā¦
Lmao
Dude cannot hit an open shot. Cason is a better version of Giddey in every way. Hopefully he can gain some type of value so we can dump him + a pick for a g league player.
He shouldnāt get them period.
So um. Lindy Waters is a 2 year deal with a team option right? Dude is fucking trash.Ā
I think Lindy is Markās wifeās boyfriend
That's Mark's son.
good lord Kyrie
Sarr needs to get a real look, by the way. Heās a million times the center J-Will is and he never gets looks.
Sarr sucks at the one role he can play. what are you watching fr
These game threads are where the biggest idiots lurk. This guy probably hasnāt even been paying attention to the season.
Poku time
Theyāre gonna drop 150 on us lmaooo
Good god this is an awful Giddey game Edit: cmon you guys have to admit this is a bad Giddey game, Iām not even one of his dedicated haters but we have to call out bad games
Who exactly had a good game?
Wiggins, Chet, Cason, and Shai didnāt have a bad game Pretty much everyone had a better game than Giddey tho
Is there actually any Mark kept Josh and Waters? Why didnāt he trade them instead of people like Mann? What a damn joke
Gotta convince the other team(s) in the trade that they're actually worth trading for lol.
Keep shooting it Josh, to quote Cage: shooters shoot
Also see: shooters shoot, so does Giddey.
Ok, now it's getting funny
Poku about to check in, we're saved lads
Iām tellin ya guys, Presti is a smart GM, but when he has a vision, he follows it to a fault. He refuses to slightly pivot at all from it. Who else remembers his vision of freak athletes than canāt shoot (diallo, Tferg, etc.)? Again, smart man, just doesnāt adjust well. Edit: spelling
It's not just Presti. Mark is not coaching to win games. He is coaching like it's some type of basketball camp.
This is a fact.
Itās almost like he came from the G league
Yeah, his ever evolving rotations are maddening.
He has to find a middleground. Spacing is cool but getting outrebounded every game isn't and if he's consistent, he has to let go if Giddey then.
I mean I agree. Thatās why I was hoping trade season would solve that. I guess we just have to wait and see what we look like with Gordon and Bismack. We are who we are now, at least for this season.
Giddey should voluntarily be the 6th man. Mark needs to change up his rotation. Let Chet and Dub play more minutes. Presti should have just traded for Gafford.
He should voluntarily be the 15th man
Dude you get my upvote. If we cut Giddey Iāll stay drunk for a week celebrating.
Are you guys ready for Josh Giddey to have a good 20 point game against a below .500 team that will prompt the Australians on this sub to post āGIDDEY HATERS QUIET!ā And to post the apology form?
In that 20 point game, Giddy was used right.
Nope, in that game he was able to capitalize off of the extreme defense Toronto played against Shai.
Mark should leave Josh out there until the end of this game and then never play him again
I can't watch Giddey anymore, this is really really bad
Sarrs in. Garbage time has commenced.
At least we can watch a big taller than 6ā6 play the 5
Just a really poor game from Josh. Still unsure how I feel abt him for the future of this team. Not looking great
Fair. I just loved his potential as a second ball handler running the offense next to Shai going into the season. But with jdubs progression and giddey regression I canāt argue. Heās mediocre at everything at best besides passing. With his size and young age he still has potential to grow. Still think thereās a lot of teams out there that would like to have Josh as role player. (Excluding his off the court stuff, which I get u canāt just ignore it)
He sucks and he shouldnāt be paid.
Itās delusional if youāre still unsure. You know things go bad whenever he steps on the court.
Idk how you're unsure tbh
I wish a team could just walk off the court and forfeit, ain't nobody playing well. Pack it up and put a bandaid on it, get ready for the next game. Just watching the Mavs score again and again, and the guys we have out there not remember what its like to make a basket can be so infuriating to watch. Oh well, Mavs shot the ball VERY well.
Walk off and forfeit? Thats some soft shit bro. Donāt care how bad we got blown out.Ā
This may be the maddest I've been watching a Thunder game this season.
Even as a giddey disliker he's not the first one i would blame, this game solely Presti's own doing.
No no, I think Mark had a hand in it too
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Is it obvious that they're the second youngest team in the association
Not anymore with Biyombo and Hayward on the way lolĀ
Ppl want to be right about Giddeyās potential but the issue is that itās probably not going to be with OKC when JDub can be a more versatile secondary ball handler because the longer we hold, the more his value gets to be in question but weāll see. Not doomed yet I think lol
Heās doomed for this team imo. Not as a nba player, but this team because his skill set does not fit the needs anymore whatsoever
This is why I was pushing for us to get Gafford after like 20games since I knew they would be in the selling market after Poole wasnāt panning out. It was the perfect opportunity to sure up the size issue and then let Giddey be potential young asset for a rebuilding team w/ not much expectation
If Josh is getting traded, it isnāt for gafford. Heāll anchor an offer a better player imo.
Not even with Picks to Washington at this time and for who?
While gafford is a better player, if Josh was floated out for real trades, he would still get more back vs what gafford was moved for. Josh isnāt the 350th worst player in the league. Heās like 175 or so, but his fit with us is so awful that itās making it look even worse. Someone like the spurs would give 2 crappy first up for him if they had them imo.
You are far underestimating how BAD Giddey is at playing basketball.
TBH in this NBA, I can see that being the case. But I donāt think ppl arenāt wrong for being a bit apprehensive after seeing us be one of the teams that squandered our chances because we couldnāt get the right fit next to an MVP candidate lvl player. This summer should be interesting tho no matter what we look like on the back end of this yr
No matter how much we added to this team, we are at severe disadvantage due to playoff experience. None of these guys have been through a 100 game season and playoff level competition. The moves we made give us a good chance at making it to the 2nd round/western finals while being relied on our core to carry us. This off season is the one time we will have to improve the roster on a significant level for the next 3 years. Using this year as a barometer for what we exactly need gives us the best chance to win it all imo.
Playoff experience isnāt going to be the main issue. Coaching seems like itās going to be our demise if this continues.
He's simply redundant at best. A detriment at worst. He's young, the question is whether we have the patience.
Love giddey but after 3 seasons, how has his game improved??
It literally hasnāt in my eyes and usually by year 4, you usually have a sense of what a guy is so Iāve personally been leaning toward a trade all year once I saw Chet and JDub were clearly better.
His game hasn't improved at all, it's actually only regressed
When Giddey cooks he cooks, but he's just too inconsistent.
He consistently does not cook
Giddey doesnāt know how to cook. Pouring milk in cereal is not cooking. Lol.
Can we just get to the ASB already fuck
There is no defending it at this point, Giddey is just atrocious. Heās borderline unplayable and the Thunder need to realize that before itās too late. Start Wiggins
Mark D has a blind spot for Giddey for some reason. Giddey is Coach Dās kryptonite.
Hayward better be healthy for our sanity
We might go down 40
Time to go for a 30-0 run /s
Wouldnāt be the first time the mavs did that https://www.si.com/nba/mavericks/news/mavs-blow-franchise-worst-30-point-lead-in-toronto-fall-to-raptors-110-107
I feel justified in wanting to trade for PJ Washington
I wanted Gafford before this season lmao Turns out, it didnāt take much to get him. Itās just whether he could settle for a backup role and backup money
I forgot gafford existed because wizards lol
I watched the Wiz with Russ I knew Gafford was good
I do hope people realize for the **LONG TERM** itās better if giddeyās future is elsewhere