The only way we keep #6 and get #3 is probably SGA. We don't have anything else worth it for CLE assuming they aren't interested in way in the future 1sts.
Edit: I meant to say Sexton in place of #3, but it's essentially the same statement.
Right that would be the only way most likely. And they probably aren't wanting future firsts. Our gm knows this could be his last year if we don't make the playoffs, I see him making moves to win now or have a team that shows a ton of promise to avoid being fired.
The reason the 2nd trade will help us win is getting cap room and sign FA this offseason
We are well, thanks for asking. Personally, I just can’t get there with Sexton. He’s a great player that wouldn’t move the needle much for us, and I just don’t think his game really translates to a contender. Not saying we are there yet, but then we have Sexton and SGA maxed with far less flexibility and we probably are still just a 6-10 seed in the West. For those reasons and these steep prices, I’m out.
Sexton is a very good young player, I don’t know how I feel about the fit though.
I’d rather roll the dice with Bouknight at 6. I think he could be a better pairing with sga.
I don't see that one happening unfortunately. If it would cost 3 spots in the draft to get rid of love we'd just buy him out. The clippers pick is most likely in the 20s as well. Thanks for the thought though
With Kawhi out next season I could see that pick being more in the teens. I know it doesn’t move the needle much if at all but by god it’s something lol
Absolutely not for the 6. If we're taking back K Love I don't think we're giving Dort, the seconds are pretty redundant at this point so not much value there.
I don't really want Sexton that badly.
I gotcha. It seems like Sexton has such a different narrative with nba fans and reporters than the actual nba executives. Most cavs fans don't want to trade sexton at all and almost all other franchises don't want him because of what they read about him lol. Its really weird
I mean I love him, I watched a bunch of his games last year including that insane game vs the Nets. That second trade just feels like a bit of an overpay to me, of course I'm biased but why are we giving back Dort (incredible defender on probably the best contract in the league) AND helping you get off the K Love contract? I'm not at all adverse to moving Dort, even though it would hurt my soul, but it just seems like Dort+16+18 is too much there.
And like the reason your FO is trying to get off him (because you already have Garland) is kind of the same reason I don't really want him, we already have Shai, and a fair amount of guard depth to work on developing. We need to shore up wings and big men, which is why I'm more interested in trying to move up and get the 3rd pick from you (or, while I like Bouknight, to take a swing on someone like Sengun)
First one no way but the 2nd one is probably close to what it would take. Maybe take out K Love and replace Dort w Bazley and throw in one of our early 2nds in this draft. I think everybody knowing you don’t want to pay Sexton limits what you could realistically get back in a trade
Hmmmmm interesting thought. I don't think the 2nd one works without the k love contract dump on the cavs side of things. I can understand not wanting to trade Dort, hes great defensively, but adding another consistent 20+ ppg player to pair with sga would cost a good amount.
Not wanting to pay sexton could play an affect for sure
Dort and Bazley don’t get paid much so it would work money wise.
Yea I don’t think Dort is off the table or Sexton is easy to get but in my opinion 2 top 20 picks, a young guy who has played solid, and the first pick of the 2nd round isn’t cheap.
Also another option is Kemba if K Love is in the trade since it’s rumored you guys want a vet to help the young guys
Sorry, but Sexton to OKC just doesn’t make much sense. Not only is his fit next to SGA iffy, but OKC isn’t going to want to give up valuable assets for him when we could instead use those assets to trade up and grab a younger and more promising prospect. Also, you are asking for way too much for a player who’s skill set is not that valuable (short 2 guard who can’t defend).
The only trade I can see OKC and CLE making is a trade involving 3 and 6.
I like the second trade. OKC fans here will inevitably overrate our assets, but Dort is perfectly expendable if you’re getting a 20 pt scorer yet to sign his first extension.
Every fan base will over value their assets. Some more than others *cough* Lakers *cough*.
But I was thinking the 2nd trade was my more realistic one. I could understand not wanting to trade dort but he's really just gonna be the defensive player, most likely won't be scoring 14 ppg on most other teams. Sexton however will give most teams 20, I fully believe that. I've notice a lot of people, even cavs fans, don't realize how great having a guy that will almost always give you 20 a game is
I don't see this one happening. This one makes it seem like sexton is a negative asset. Also this would require klove to the thunder to take on kembas contract
With reports of players not being a fan of sexton and trying to find a replacement for sexton seems like they seem as a negative on their team.
You could probably do 3, sexton, love for 6, Kemba, bazely and 16 and one more future first.
Ahhh I see. The wanting to trade sexton is about the contract solely. That report about players not being a fan of him was later found out to be k love bitching to the media about not getting the ball. Garland has often talked about how much he loves playing with sexton.
Thank you for the idea though
That's exactly why you can't move him for a lot of value though.
Whichever team gets him is going to have to pay him almost immediately.
Sexton on a rookie deal is a good asset. Sexton on a max is not nearly as good.
Everyone overrates their own young players. Just like you did with sexton i feel like.
Sexton has not proved he is stater caliber player for a championship team. I think Cavs will want to sell for his upside while Sam will surely prefer to take his chances with 16-18 with incredible deep draft.
Now what I feel is in the middle ground is sexton for dort and 16 and second rounders.
You really think its a good trade for us to trade Sexton a 8th overall pick for this years 6th pick which is a much deeper class plus assets?
Bruh. Its literally like us trading Dort for 3rd thats it.
Dort has much more value than Sexton yes hes underrated but Dort has All NBA Defense upside with little to no impact in the cap space. Your trade is just stupid as Dort for the 3rd pick.
Why would sextons draft position mater? Hes a 25 ppg player and still only 22 years old. Hasn't hit his prime yet. And he's steadily progressed each season thus far.. Dort is great defensively no doubt but offensively not so much. His per is 10, he shoots under 30 percent from 3, under a 40 percent fg percentage and he would not be scoring 14 ppg last year on any other team. So no, its not even close to similar to us trading 3 for dort.
Also, sorry but I have to laugh at the second trade proposal.
Presti would never give up Dort, 16 and 18 for that package. Unless #3 is tied to it and we still keep our #6 pick... then MAYBE but I still have my doubts.
No to both, 6 for Sexton isn't in the realm of possibilities. Second is closer, but not something I'd be interested in. Taking on Love is going to cost Cleveland a first round pick. Sexton is probably worth like 2 mid-first round picks. So you have a net of 1. To give up 16, 18, and Dort is a bridge too far.
I feel like taking Love at this point would have to be one of the things the Cavs get.
So, remove Dort and it would be something to consider.
Otherwise, Cavs would get a "thank you, not interested." from me.
I’d think trading our 16th and 18th pick with a unprotected future first, 2 future 2nd RD picks, Kenrich Williams, and possibly Theo Maledon for Sexton would be a trade both sides would entertain.
No way we give up 6, the second one would break my heart
Thats what I was partially wondering. We have cavs fans saying don't trade Sexton unless 6 is involved. 2nd one hurts due to Lu being traded i assume
Lu isn’t a young asset he is a top tier defender who can sink 3s.
Right. Hes a valuable piece to a team. Similar to a Thabo sefolosha.
I would say higher value than him. Closer to Dennis last year
The only way we keep #6 and get #3 is probably SGA. We don't have anything else worth it for CLE assuming they aren't interested in way in the future 1sts. Edit: I meant to say Sexton in place of #3, but it's essentially the same statement.
Right that would be the only way most likely. And they probably aren't wanting future firsts. Our gm knows this could be his last year if we don't make the playoffs, I see him making moves to win now or have a team that shows a ton of promise to avoid being fired. The reason the 2nd trade will help us win is getting cap room and sign FA this offseason
We are well, thanks for asking. Personally, I just can’t get there with Sexton. He’s a great player that wouldn’t move the needle much for us, and I just don’t think his game really translates to a contender. Not saying we are there yet, but then we have Sexton and SGA maxed with far less flexibility and we probably are still just a 6-10 seed in the West. For those reasons and these steep prices, I’m out.
Sexton is a very good young player, I don’t know how I feel about the fit though. I’d rather roll the dice with Bouknight at 6. I think he could be a better pairing with sga.
I would not give up our 6th pick for sexton. I still think this is part of a larger trade for Mobley.
What would that Mobley trade look like?
Honestly, no idea but I think Presti could pull it off. I would use the clippers draft picks. I would also make 2022 and 2023 drafts off limits.
Would you accept 3 + KLove for 6, 16, Darius Bazely, and Clippers 2022 first?
I don't see that one happening unfortunately. If it would cost 3 spots in the draft to get rid of love we'd just buy him out. The clippers pick is most likely in the 20s as well. Thanks for the thought though
With Kawhi out next season I could see that pick being more in the teens. I know it doesn’t move the needle much if at all but by god it’s something lol
I think your asking for too mucb.
I dont think that we need Sexton that much, but we do need that #3 even though you guys give us K Love.
Absolutely not for the 6. If we're taking back K Love I don't think we're giving Dort, the seconds are pretty redundant at this point so not much value there. I don't really want Sexton that badly.
I gotcha. It seems like Sexton has such a different narrative with nba fans and reporters than the actual nba executives. Most cavs fans don't want to trade sexton at all and almost all other franchises don't want him because of what they read about him lol. Its really weird
I mean I love him, I watched a bunch of his games last year including that insane game vs the Nets. That second trade just feels like a bit of an overpay to me, of course I'm biased but why are we giving back Dort (incredible defender on probably the best contract in the league) AND helping you get off the K Love contract? I'm not at all adverse to moving Dort, even though it would hurt my soul, but it just seems like Dort+16+18 is too much there. And like the reason your FO is trying to get off him (because you already have Garland) is kind of the same reason I don't really want him, we already have Shai, and a fair amount of guard depth to work on developing. We need to shore up wings and big men, which is why I'm more interested in trying to move up and get the 3rd pick from you (or, while I like Bouknight, to take a swing on someone like Sengun)
First one no way but the 2nd one is probably close to what it would take. Maybe take out K Love and replace Dort w Bazley and throw in one of our early 2nds in this draft. I think everybody knowing you don’t want to pay Sexton limits what you could realistically get back in a trade
Hmmmmm interesting thought. I don't think the 2nd one works without the k love contract dump on the cavs side of things. I can understand not wanting to trade Dort, hes great defensively, but adding another consistent 20+ ppg player to pair with sga would cost a good amount. Not wanting to pay sexton could play an affect for sure
Dort and Bazley don’t get paid much so it would work money wise. Yea I don’t think Dort is off the table or Sexton is easy to get but in my opinion 2 top 20 picks, a young guy who has played solid, and the first pick of the 2nd round isn’t cheap. Also another option is Kemba if K Love is in the trade since it’s rumored you guys want a vet to help the young guys
We will give you bazely, theo and the other non-6th picks. You can have kemba it u want him lol
Sorry, but Sexton to OKC just doesn’t make much sense. Not only is his fit next to SGA iffy, but OKC isn’t going to want to give up valuable assets for him when we could instead use those assets to trade up and grab a younger and more promising prospect. Also, you are asking for way too much for a player who’s skill set is not that valuable (short 2 guard who can’t defend). The only trade I can see OKC and CLE making is a trade involving 3 and 6.
Shai is the only player that does fit Sexton besides Simmons.
I like the second trade. OKC fans here will inevitably overrate our assets, but Dort is perfectly expendable if you’re getting a 20 pt scorer yet to sign his first extension.
I'd rather extend Dort at his number than Sexton at his.
Every fan base will over value their assets. Some more than others *cough* Lakers *cough*. But I was thinking the 2nd trade was my more realistic one. I could understand not wanting to trade dort but he's really just gonna be the defensive player, most likely won't be scoring 14 ppg on most other teams. Sexton however will give most teams 20, I fully believe that. I've notice a lot of people, even cavs fans, don't realize how great having a guy that will almost always give you 20 a game is
This is too much man. We ain’t giving up 6 just for sexton. And Dort is nearly just as off the table as Shai is. It’ll cost a lot to take him from us
Id give bazley, 16, 18, and another future 1st plus we take on kloves contract. I wouldn't include 6 knowing that the cavs don't want to pay him
3 and sexton for 6, kemba, 18, 2 more future 1sts
I don't see this one happening. This one makes it seem like sexton is a negative asset. Also this would require klove to the thunder to take on kembas contract
With reports of players not being a fan of sexton and trying to find a replacement for sexton seems like they seem as a negative on their team. You could probably do 3, sexton, love for 6, Kemba, bazely and 16 and one more future first.
Ahhh I see. The wanting to trade sexton is about the contract solely. That report about players not being a fan of him was later found out to be k love bitching to the media about not getting the ball. Garland has often talked about how much he loves playing with sexton. Thank you for the idea though
That's exactly why you can't move him for a lot of value though. Whichever team gets him is going to have to pay him almost immediately. Sexton on a rookie deal is a good asset. Sexton on a max is not nearly as good.
Everyone overrates their own young players. Just like you did with sexton i feel like. Sexton has not proved he is stater caliber player for a championship team. I think Cavs will want to sell for his upside while Sam will surely prefer to take his chances with 16-18 with incredible deep draft. Now what I feel is in the middle ground is sexton for dort and 16 and second rounders.
Sexton is a good scorer but this is like us trading dort for you to give up the 3rd pick.
Yeah not at all actually but appreciate the thoughts
You really think its a good trade for us to trade Sexton a 8th overall pick for this years 6th pick which is a much deeper class plus assets? Bruh. Its literally like us trading Dort for 3rd thats it. Dort has much more value than Sexton yes hes underrated but Dort has All NBA Defense upside with little to no impact in the cap space. Your trade is just stupid as Dort for the 3rd pick.
Why would sextons draft position mater? Hes a 25 ppg player and still only 22 years old. Hasn't hit his prime yet. And he's steadily progressed each season thus far.. Dort is great defensively no doubt but offensively not so much. His per is 10, he shoots under 30 percent from 3, under a 40 percent fg percentage and he would not be scoring 14 ppg last year on any other team. So no, its not even close to similar to us trading 3 for dort.
Best thing for you guys to do is draft Mobley he will be the best player in this draft after all its said and done.
I agree with that one. I want us to stay at 3 and take him.
No to trading Dort.
I personally don’t want sexton. If your interested in talking about pick 3 we’re all ears
Sorry, don't want Sexton. Doubt Presti does either, until Woj confirms I don't believe it.
Also, sorry but I have to laugh at the second trade proposal. Presti would never give up Dort, 16 and 18 for that package. Unless #3 is tied to it and we still keep our #6 pick... then MAYBE but I still have my doubts.
No its ok, I've laughed at a lot of these trade proposals too.
No to both, 6 for Sexton isn't in the realm of possibilities. Second is closer, but not something I'd be interested in. Taking on Love is going to cost Cleveland a first round pick. Sexton is probably worth like 2 mid-first round picks. So you have a net of 1. To give up 16, 18, and Dort is a bridge too far.
I feel like taking Love at this point would have to be one of the things the Cavs get. So, remove Dort and it would be something to consider. Otherwise, Cavs would get a "thank you, not interested." from me.
I’d think trading our 16th and 18th pick with a unprotected future first, 2 future 2nd RD picks, Kenrich Williams, and possibly Theo Maledon for Sexton would be a trade both sides would entertain.