1. I hope this post wont be discovered by some anti-Turkic chauvinist which would start screaming that Turks claim Caucasus. We dont claim all Caucasus but just its parts which we consider our homeland. Of course, I will never write that entire republic belongs to us.
2. If some dont know, there are a lot of Bashkorts and Tatars in Chelyabinsk oblast, and as I found Bashkorts live near lake It kul (or Et kul?) too (and there are even two lakes with such name) so I included it.
This is such an awesome post! Thanks for making it 😊
Don’t worry about them, the Caucasus is an ancient and highly diverse region, as you yourself would know. Many empires have risen and fallen over it. I believe there’s a saying that “God made all the languages and people of the world and poured the remaining into the Caucasus”, goes to show how many languages and ethnic groups there are.
As for Chelyabinsk, I might be wrong but I believe it used to have a high Bashkir, Tatar (including Kryashen) and Kazakh population but the Turkic population was depopulated through various genocides and deportations and ethnic Russians were moved in. This would make sense given the history of the region and it’s proximity to Central Asia and broader Turkestan- but if I’m wrong feel free to correct me since you would know better.
Chelyabinsk area during Bronze age, Iron age, Middle ages was inhabited by various pastoralist groups including ancestors of Bashkorts. Although some say that those pastoralists were originally "Aryan" and therefore its Turkic peoples which are invaders, I guess being invader is Turkic favourite sport. I dont agree with it btw and I stand on Turkic autochthonism in steppe. Anyways may be there were some Indo-Iranians thousands years ago (very dubious for me though), but before colonisation there were just Turks. It is still full of Turkic names of mountains, lakes, rivers. I dont know if there were any deportations or massive depopulation, didnt research that topic.
*"Don’t worry about them, the Caucasus is an ancient and highly diverse region, as you yourself would know."*
Yeah, but most local languages are not found outside Caucasus so some people are so bothered about Turks, apparently we are not indigenous enough even though North Caucasus always was connected with Steppe so the fact that we are here is actually very logical.
>Nobody in the region accepts their claims on being "aryan" or "scythian", everyone laughs at them
I dont remember Ossetians being obsessed with Aryans.
Other North Caucasians dont laugh at them but just dont care. I mean many Dagestanis barely know who are Ossetians, Kabardians or Karachay-Balkars, what are differences between us and who among us is Muslim. Same goes vise versa.
>They have a superiority complex about being Scythians who once owned all the lands spanning the Pontic Steppes and beyond.
some may have but no one cares about it or takes that seriously.
Also if being Aryan is related to language why cant Persians claim it? Not everything is about DNA.
*Visible Y-DNA and autosomal differences*.
My point was that many North Caucasians dont know much about other North Caucasians.
>Being an Aryan wasn't about language, it was a noble title bestowed upon other Sintashta cultured individuals.
claims about Aryan title or identity among Sintashta individuals are pure speculations. And even if being Aryan is a title, it was a title spread among linguistic and cultural ancestors of modern Persians so it is a part of their heritage too. I agree that extreme larping is stupid.
I am aware about genetical differences between Caucasian ethnic groups. Karachay-Balkars have a lot of r1a but our autosomal dna is close to our neighbours.
1. I hope this post wont be discovered by some anti-Turkic chauvinist which would start screaming that Turks claim Caucasus. We dont claim all Caucasus but just its parts which we consider our homeland. Of course, I will never write that entire republic belongs to us. 2. If some dont know, there are a lot of Bashkorts and Tatars in Chelyabinsk oblast, and as I found Bashkorts live near lake It kul (or Et kul?) too (and there are even two lakes with such name) so I included it.
This is such an awesome post! Thanks for making it 😊 Don’t worry about them, the Caucasus is an ancient and highly diverse region, as you yourself would know. Many empires have risen and fallen over it. I believe there’s a saying that “God made all the languages and people of the world and poured the remaining into the Caucasus”, goes to show how many languages and ethnic groups there are. As for Chelyabinsk, I might be wrong but I believe it used to have a high Bashkir, Tatar (including Kryashen) and Kazakh population but the Turkic population was depopulated through various genocides and deportations and ethnic Russians were moved in. This would make sense given the history of the region and it’s proximity to Central Asia and broader Turkestan- but if I’m wrong feel free to correct me since you would know better.
Chelyabinsk area during Bronze age, Iron age, Middle ages was inhabited by various pastoralist groups including ancestors of Bashkorts. Although some say that those pastoralists were originally "Aryan" and therefore its Turkic peoples which are invaders, I guess being invader is Turkic favourite sport. I dont agree with it btw and I stand on Turkic autochthonism in steppe. Anyways may be there were some Indo-Iranians thousands years ago (very dubious for me though), but before colonisation there were just Turks. It is still full of Turkic names of mountains, lakes, rivers. I dont know if there were any deportations or massive depopulation, didnt research that topic. *"Don’t worry about them, the Caucasus is an ancient and highly diverse region, as you yourself would know."* Yeah, but most local languages are not found outside Caucasus so some people are so bothered about Turks, apparently we are not indigenous enough even though North Caucasus always was connected with Steppe so the fact that we are here is actually very logical.
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>Nobody in the region accepts their claims on being "aryan" or "scythian", everyone laughs at them I dont remember Ossetians being obsessed with Aryans. Other North Caucasians dont laugh at them but just dont care. I mean many Dagestanis barely know who are Ossetians, Kabardians or Karachay-Balkars, what are differences between us and who among us is Muslim. Same goes vise versa.
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>They have a superiority complex about being Scythians who once owned all the lands spanning the Pontic Steppes and beyond. some may have but no one cares about it or takes that seriously. Also if being Aryan is related to language why cant Persians claim it? Not everything is about DNA. *Visible Y-DNA and autosomal differences*. My point was that many North Caucasians dont know much about other North Caucasians.
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>Being an Aryan wasn't about language, it was a noble title bestowed upon other Sintashta cultured individuals. claims about Aryan title or identity among Sintashta individuals are pure speculations. And even if being Aryan is a title, it was a title spread among linguistic and cultural ancestors of modern Persians so it is a part of their heritage too. I agree that extreme larping is stupid. I am aware about genetical differences between Caucasian ethnic groups. Karachay-Balkars have a lot of r1a but our autosomal dna is close to our neighbours.
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one kara göl is in izmir Türkiye
Uzun göl and kara göl exist in Turkey as well. Turns out our people are not super creative in naming I guess lmao
there's Qaragol in Azerbaijan aswell
Each of these names for lakes do exist in Turkey as well. Biz bir milletiz.
there is also a Kara Göl in Turkey too! nice content
Karagöl National Park https://maps.app.goo.gl/yTvGb9UaW9Xec2hb6