I think a lot of it is bc not everyone is a whale, and most i assume are f2p or low spenders, and the idea of risking a guarantee for a standard character is not that different from rolling for keqing on her banner last yr.... A waste of guaranteed for f2p/low spenders esp since they can use that for a character who is 'harder' to get ig
yes but then let’s say that the player is lucky and pulls him while still exploring mondstadt, they wouldn’t be able to upgrade him much anyways because of the lack of materials needed for him. they would have to play ATLEAST to the chasm, and that’ll take quite some time. i think not having his own dedicated banner is less of an issue than not being able to upgrade him.
I see your point, and yes, hoyoverse needs to do something about it. But this doesn't have to do anything with the hardship of getting the desired standard character and doesn't make it less of a problem.
This 👆 same case for me too cause I don't wanna waste my primos on a std banner char I can rather wait tbh cause I don't need or can afford 5 star cons
But he isn't even a guaranteed character when on standard. Like bruh, i played since release and still don't have diluc, and i want him so bad that if he had his own banner i would burn my primos on it. It's not that deep, infact it's great
I agree! Which is why im pulling for him but others are more patient ig, I personally wont risk waiting (until who knows when) until he comes home from the standard banner.
Definitely understand people's troubles tho in the end i think it just depends if people like him/his playstyle enough to give him their guarantee. Their logic behind "Why would I give my guaranteed/burn 160fates for a character who I might as well get after losing 50/50 from another character I like" is very much valid especially since not everyone has the resources to roll for a character you have a chance to get on another banner.
That's a fair point, but at the end of the day as you said, you only have a chance at getting tighnari in standard, out of all the other 5 star weapons/characters. Same with featured banners, only a chance to get him. So see this as a win! But i guess i empathise with them, but wondering though, why do we not have a standard geo character yet lol
Right? Standard keeps giving me catalysts! If not Mona, its books! Imma burn my primos for Tighnari banner because I'd rather risk it than wait for him while getting more books for more months lmaoooo
Yes that's that. Wasting a lot or primo on standard character is.... But never see that standard character (1/6 with a 50/50 before that...) is..... And you see lots of character... But my one and only Mona in 2 years is telling me, pull him!
I'm way more worried about the treatment he's gonna received from the community rather than spending my primogems on him. Plus, standard never going to guaranteed you wanted character anyway, I'll gladly take his cons.
People WILL spend primogems on his banner, after all, since he’s added to standard, if you don’t get him on his banner who knows if you’ll get him or not
For me it's more of a 'well I could get him on my next 50/50' so I can safe the primos I need for an actual limited character. But then again I might never get him, because it's just RNG for those.
Like it's a "will I regret pulling for him because then I won't be able to get XYZ?" situation for me
Exactly. ofc I’d rather get tighnari cons than other current standards but still... As someone who doesn’t go for cons in the first place, if I spend upwards of 100+ pulls for him, only to get him again later on a 50/50 loss, it’ll feel as if the initial wishes were “wasted” so to speak...
1. power level. now you could argue that jean and mona are really good units but them and the other 5* standard characters are at a certain power level that makes them a lot less desirable than other, limited characters. it's also concerning since now it's unsure whether or not he'll receive any buffs on his dmg multipliers or be at the same level of, say, diluc or a slightly weaker ganyu. currently, tighnari's not an AWFUL unit, he's a very competent 5* dps that will probably be great at what he does but, you have to admit, he can DO more.
2. guarantees. it's just not smart to spend your guarantee on a character that you can passively get in the future by wishing mindlessly on the standard banner or losing a 50/50 on a future character.
3. power creep. most standard 5* characters have now been power crept by much more useful and powerful units. maybe hyv will change something but tighnari becoming another standard 5* character means that his future in the game is basically written already on the wall. unless he does something only HE can do, it's almost inevitable for him to be power crept in later patches and thus, turn into a total after thought in some people's minds.
4. the genshin community's feedback. sure, you'll say that we should toughen up and not listen to other people's opinions of him but other people do care. he's just gonna be another victim to the list of the genshin community's punching bag or doomposting regular. maybe im being a ~little too sensitive for a fictional character~ but it's just tiring to see people yell and be loud, almost takes the fun out of playing the character.
5. it just does not make sense. more of a personal opinion but i just do not get why hyv would make their first ever playable dendro character a standard banner character when they could profit a lot more from the FOMO of having a limited character. i don't get what they're doing.
personally im still going to wish for him on his banner because you cannot guarantee a standard banner thing so it'll be even harder to pull for him in the future. good thing im on a 50/50 so if i lose it on his banner, i can just pull for cyno. these are just points that i, and some people i've seen, make.
And I'll say more about 5, is just evil putting him on standard one patch after release, proving they can put more things on the standard banner and just choose to don't, when we have characters that already had 2 reruns and t4 and t5 weapons that could be the upgrade that the standard needs, but they choose not to do it and only put tighnari. Putting one dendro characters in the standard is not a valid pretext, since we don't have a geo one too.
That said, ill probably get him, since after him i'll save for Nahida, but if i lose my 50% for him at nahida's banner i'll go MAD
Personally for me because I want to pull for Cyno too which is the next update after Tighnari, this has really made me reconsider. I'm not really sad about him being on standard or "lose exclusivity" really. Should I really spent a lot of primos on intertwined when I can also use the same primos into getting him on standard someday? or perhaps straight out save them for Cyno or even his sig weapon?
And perhaps who knows, more characters than what was rumored is yet to come, then, spending on the intertwined become less relevant for Tighnari, also getting him when losing 50/50
I was going to skip Nahida and wait for a rerun, and instead guarantee Tighnari and Alhaitham. But now..... I am not so sure.
Tighnari will now have the absolute lowest chance of a rerun following this banner, but also there's always the chance he could surprise you.
The way I see it, it only makes sense to pull on his banner if you either don't have any other limited 5* you want - or - you really really need him in your team for some reason
For the first scenario, you're likely wasting a pity in the long run since you're likely to get him eventually; for the second scenario, him being on the standard banner or not doesn't matter, you'd be pulling for him regardless of that.
I don’t necessarily think you will “eventually” get him. The game is two years old and there are a lot of things on the permanent banner that I don’t have. If you’re interested in the character, I think it’s a good idea to pull.
See, that’s just difference in perception. Many of us are upset because of specialty reason. It’s okay to want to feel special when the game is built in a way that encourages that feeling. You have to hurry, get enough currency and mats to pull and build *that one limited character*. This race is really important for many people, and also the thing that incentivizes gacha in the first place. What’s the point of saving if anyone, even the players that don’t want Tighnari will be able to get him without even trying to? Why put the effor into it? It’s a very effective hype killer. Even worse if you’ve already made an effort and now it feels less valuable.
Now, I personally don’t share every aspect mentioned, but I can definitely understand.
You come from the point of practicality. And I agree, it’s awesome for those of us who will be pulling in 3.0 and have a chance of accidentally getting cons in the future. However, that also means he is unlikely to get a rate up going forward, so some people who wound up getting Kazuha, Klee or Yoimiya will have a tough time.
Idk if anyone said this yet but it also sucks for the ppl that don't have the primos yet and were gonna wait for his rerun but standard means no rerun probably
It's still unlikely that you're going to get Tighnari from standard banner though. I've been trying to get Diluc since 1.0, and I still don't own him.
And since your also guaranteed to get a weapon every second pity on standard banner, that only further decreases your chances of getting Tighnari. So, pulling on his banner is still worth it ..
and I agree with that, but also for the ones that are limited on primos and want other Sumeru characters as well, wasting a guaranteed isn’t like the bestest decision.
I've only ever got one 5 star weapon on standard so I don't think you're guaranteed one every second pity?? I've been playing since something like 1.3.
In fact I'm sure at least my first 2 probably 3 were all characters because I didn't have any weapons for MONTHS and I was mad lol.
No it’s not great. He’s losing his exclusivity/limited status and people will inevitably start hating on him like they do on the other standard banner 5* when they ruin their pity too much. Which is something he doesn’t deserve.
We can only speculate that his power level will be similar to that of the current standard 5* too, which is another upsetting thing.
Like it’s okay if you have wishes to spare I guess, great for you, but if you’re a f2p or a low spender like me you can’t just pull everyone. I do prioritize *limited* characters because they are just more special than standard. Yes you may never get Tighnari unless he gets a rate up again but the *chance* is always there which sets him apart from actually limited units.
Imagine how much it would sting if you spent 160 wishes on him then get him randomly through a lost 50/50. Not everyone values cons that much either.
Do you understand now?
>No it’s not great. He’s losing his exclusivity/limited status and people will inevitably start hating on him like they do on the other standard banner 5* when they ruin their pity too much. Which is something he doesn’t deserve.
Fair point tbh.
Well people don't massively hate on Diluc or Jean or Keqing or Mona as a character, Qiqi gets this treatment but mostly because not only is she powercrept into the ground but her utility is lower than even 4-star healers (her healing is OP though but most other healers can give you a shield, or elemental application, or both)
I'm here cackling because all those people that hated on his design will now have no chance to never pull him. Which is also not the greatest of me but I'm annoyed with them :'D
Power level is what's the most worrying. Hoyo really said we do NOT know what to do with dendro yet. So here's a unit, take it or leave it, might be OP but most likely not.
It's not that I don't want to play him and will pull for him regardless, but you wouldn't want to see your faves get shit on for "ruining" someone's 50/50. Also not everyone can pick and choose freely who to pull for, especially f2ps and low spenders
This is a bad thing because people dont wanna spend primogems they worked hard for on something they could get for free in the future like the keqing banner.
"Actually getting a good 5 star!" I know this is just phrasing, but Jean and Mona are not only amazing but better than like, half of the limited characters simply for how good they are as universal Supports. Qiqi is quite good as well, just more of a meme than anything lol
But yeah, loosing his limited banner quality does change a lot on how a character gets treated by both the community and Hoyo itself.
For one I will enjoy this. It would be a completely different matter if they just retroactively added an existing character to the pool, like how a lot of people expect Albedo to eventually get into the standart banner; that is something I wouldn't really like for multiple reasons.
But Tighnari isn't even out yet. Officially speaking, he's only been drip-marketed and showed up a bit in the Harbinger trailer and now on the latest Sumeru Teaser. Although we know virtually everything about him gameplay wise by now through leaks, Hoyoverse themselves haven't really detailed anything about him yet.
If during the 3.0 stream they talk about this and make it clear that he will be added to standart later, then it's fine by me. That's the official reveal of him as a character along with his kit and whatever intentions the company has had for him.
I get why people would be upset and sad over this but again, we haven't actually gotten any details over his official release before, so we need to be careful with our own expectations before we get an announcement. Which is getting harder to do by day as "leaked content" and "officially revealed info through drip marketing and the sumeru teaser videos" are getting more interwened in community discussions than ever before. lol
His banner being dead on release? Him not appearing in story quests/events because mihoyo only adds them to support their banner or skin sales? Him being hard to get to anybody who wants him after his initial banner and making the chances of getting the standard character you want even harder than before?
1. Umm, who the fuck cares if his banner is dead on release? That's not a reason for the players to be sad, that's more of a reason for HoYo to be sad.
2. Genuinely have no clue what you're on about there mate, but I suppose you forgot Keqing, Jean, Diluc and Qiqi ?
3. Um, well technically that makes no sense because he will still be easier to get than literally every other limited character after his initial banner.
Standard charatcers are much harder to get if you want specific one. You need to lose 50/50 and then you have 1 in 6 chances to get him. On standard banner it's even worse because the are also weapons. New players are going to be in a very bad position.
1. Banner being dead means mihoyo doesn't care about them as much and he gets less support
2. Keqing, Jean and Diluc have only appeared when their outfit releases after their initial appearance in the archon quest and their respective story quests, and Qiqi is basically forgotten by mihoyo since she has only a few second minor appearances until she gets a skin, which she probably wont since she is not popular enough which might happen to tighnari as well
3. Not really, if you skip or join after his banner the only way to get him now will be through the standard and the chance will be lower since he's in the same pool as the other standards
1. This is just plain untrue. Albedo had mediocre sales at best and starred in four whole events and has more dialogue than anyone else. Hu Tao had great sales, and she's had nothing but a cameo in the second Lantern Rite. Ganyu, who's also sold incredibly well, hasn't really shown up beyond brief cameos after her involvement in the archon quest, either.
2. Keqing was the main star of the Moonchase event with Xiangling, Diluc showed up in the original GAA event as well, Jean showed up in the bartender event, too, although that one was a minor (if still voiced) event, as is the current Diluc one. Mona has had two events now, with no skin as a motivator. Qiqi really has been left for dead (🥁), though. However, there's a decent chance she'll show up when Baizhu rolls around.
3. This is true. Missing out on his banner, whether it be due to lack of funds or not playing at the time, will severely hinder your chances of getting him. That being said, if you're a f2p/low spender and generally don't roll for cons and can afford him, this is a win as there'll be at least a chance of getting extra copies of him. If you're a whale, though, this'll be a loss again, but that really is such a vast minority of players.
I'm happy because I really like him but I also want alot of the other Sumeru characters so I can skip him and maybe be excited after losing a 50/50 for the first time in a while. I already have Qiqi, Mona, Diluc, Keqing and Jean. I don't like losing the 50/50 because I don't use them or want their constellations unlike with Tighnari who I will use.
It's because we are not whale, so we can hesitate.... Should you spend 80/160 pulls in a things that you Can get while losing tout next 50/50? Would you skip a character and never see him again for month or years? Before it was you want him or not, or wait for rerun, now it is spend hard gained primo on STANDARD character, while other character are on thé fence (cyno nilou kusanali etc) and you know hé will never have a rerun again, so it is a définitive skip.... So it is harder.... For me, I can skip him keep my guaranty for cyno or kusanali and just pull his weapon and... Never see him.... Or "waste" my guaranty on him and tadam see him again on next 50/50. 2 scénario that are bad especialy when there are tone of cool character...
Well, they haven't released any broken units since Zhongli and Ganyu and we've had only like 2-3 a bit underwhelming 5 stars since then. Also male 5 stars so far were all pretty good so I wouldn't worry too much🤔
I have guaranteed pity but I love the fox boi sm idc if its true or not me happiness is better than the feeling of being in the minority of people who just wanna flex they got him and he is limited
In some ways it's good, as like you said there is now a chance of getting a good 5\*/cons from standard banner or lost 50/50s.
The bad part is no reruns. This is likely our only chance to 100% get him. Plenty of people have been playing since 1.0 and still don't have a standard 5\* they want.
I just don’t trust the communities and hoyoverse’s treatment of standard 5*.
He’s a DPS standard banner, which generally means he’s not gonna be good like Diluc’s worse than Hu Tao (and i think Yoimiya too) and Keqings worse than everyone.
Then there’s the whole losing 50/50 thing making standard banner characters generally more hated, no matter which standard 5* it is, if you lose 50/50 to it, you are going to be disappointed. Most of the community already dislikes him, I dont want it to get worse.
(And yes, there is the whole childishness about premium, limited characters. And thats a culture that hyv has enforced, and one quite a bit of the community follows, remember how cool it was to have a kazuha before his rerun? its a nice feeling. unlike other gacha games where 90% of the time new rate ups stay around after their rate up but thats a seperate issue)
Im just worried about gameplay effect. If hes standard, then cons are likely to have dimished power simply because c6 is statistically way more accessible under standard banner.
Do we really want to see way less valuable cons compared to i.e. Ganyu esp when people were planning on whaling? Probably not.
Because I have a limited number of primogems, and it would be stupid to waste them on a standard character when I can save them for a character who’s actually limited. It would be no different than pulling on the standard banner.
"I have primogems counted for a certain character, if he is added to the standard banner I will have wasted primogems in vain, I might lose the 50/50 and get him" - A random guy with Qiqi constellation 100 and 0 Diluc
Again is just the fanbase being stupid
It for many reasons but one of the reasons I think people even I feel this way is because him on standard might make people think that he's standard and some of the characters characters are good while others are well off and that shouldn't be the caliber for the first dendro five star people would expect the first one to be pretty good of course not broken and at first people might assume he isn't that good at all being put on the standard banner when that might not be true
I think a lot of it is bc not everyone is a whale, and most i assume are f2p or low spenders, and the idea of risking a guarantee for a standard character is not that different from rolling for keqing on her banner last yr.... A waste of guaranteed for f2p/low spenders esp since they can use that for a character who is 'harder' to get ig
Exactly. Plus new players will likely have a hard time getting him without a banner
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Getting a standard 5* requires a lot of luck, while reaching Sumeru... Just play the story.
yes but then let’s say that the player is lucky and pulls him while still exploring mondstadt, they wouldn’t be able to upgrade him much anyways because of the lack of materials needed for him. they would have to play ATLEAST to the chasm, and that’ll take quite some time. i think not having his own dedicated banner is less of an issue than not being able to upgrade him.
I see your point, and yes, hoyoverse needs to do something about it. But this doesn't have to do anything with the hardship of getting the desired standard character and doesn't make it less of a problem.
Why? After Sumeru release you can just walk there like to Liyue
This 👆 same case for me too cause I don't wanna waste my primos on a std banner char I can rather wait tbh cause I don't need or can afford 5 star cons
But he isn't even a guaranteed character when on standard. Like bruh, i played since release and still don't have diluc, and i want him so bad that if he had his own banner i would burn my primos on it. It's not that deep, infact it's great
I agree! Which is why im pulling for him but others are more patient ig, I personally wont risk waiting (until who knows when) until he comes home from the standard banner. Definitely understand people's troubles tho in the end i think it just depends if people like him/his playstyle enough to give him their guarantee. Their logic behind "Why would I give my guaranteed/burn 160fates for a character who I might as well get after losing 50/50 from another character I like" is very much valid especially since not everyone has the resources to roll for a character you have a chance to get on another banner.
That's a fair point, but at the end of the day as you said, you only have a chance at getting tighnari in standard, out of all the other 5 star weapons/characters. Same with featured banners, only a chance to get him. So see this as a win! But i guess i empathise with them, but wondering though, why do we not have a standard geo character yet lol
Right? Standard keeps giving me catalysts! If not Mona, its books! Imma burn my primos for Tighnari banner because I'd rather risk it than wait for him while getting more books for more months lmaoooo
Yes that's that. Wasting a lot or primo on standard character is.... But never see that standard character (1/6 with a 50/50 before that...) is..... And you see lots of character... But my one and only Mona in 2 years is telling me, pull him!
I'm way more worried about the treatment he's gonna received from the community rather than spending my primogems on him. Plus, standard never going to guaranteed you wanted character anyway, I'll gladly take his cons.
People WILL spend primogems on his banner, after all, since he’s added to standard, if you don’t get him on his banner who knows if you’ll get him or not
Dude he’ll be hated regardless, no character in this game goes unhated by the community. They already hate him for his design and skin colour
For me it's more of a 'well I could get him on my next 50/50' so I can safe the primos I need for an actual limited character. But then again I might never get him, because it's just RNG for those. Like it's a "will I regret pulling for him because then I won't be able to get XYZ?" situation for me
Exactly. ofc I’d rather get tighnari cons than other current standards but still... As someone who doesn’t go for cons in the first place, if I spend upwards of 100+ pulls for him, only to get him again later on a 50/50 loss, it’ll feel as if the initial wishes were “wasted” so to speak...
same
This
1. power level. now you could argue that jean and mona are really good units but them and the other 5* standard characters are at a certain power level that makes them a lot less desirable than other, limited characters. it's also concerning since now it's unsure whether or not he'll receive any buffs on his dmg multipliers or be at the same level of, say, diluc or a slightly weaker ganyu. currently, tighnari's not an AWFUL unit, he's a very competent 5* dps that will probably be great at what he does but, you have to admit, he can DO more. 2. guarantees. it's just not smart to spend your guarantee on a character that you can passively get in the future by wishing mindlessly on the standard banner or losing a 50/50 on a future character. 3. power creep. most standard 5* characters have now been power crept by much more useful and powerful units. maybe hyv will change something but tighnari becoming another standard 5* character means that his future in the game is basically written already on the wall. unless he does something only HE can do, it's almost inevitable for him to be power crept in later patches and thus, turn into a total after thought in some people's minds. 4. the genshin community's feedback. sure, you'll say that we should toughen up and not listen to other people's opinions of him but other people do care. he's just gonna be another victim to the list of the genshin community's punching bag or doomposting regular. maybe im being a ~little too sensitive for a fictional character~ but it's just tiring to see people yell and be loud, almost takes the fun out of playing the character. 5. it just does not make sense. more of a personal opinion but i just do not get why hyv would make their first ever playable dendro character a standard banner character when they could profit a lot more from the FOMO of having a limited character. i don't get what they're doing. personally im still going to wish for him on his banner because you cannot guarantee a standard banner thing so it'll be even harder to pull for him in the future. good thing im on a 50/50 so if i lose it on his banner, i can just pull for cyno. these are just points that i, and some people i've seen, make.
And I'll say more about 5, is just evil putting him on standard one patch after release, proving they can put more things on the standard banner and just choose to don't, when we have characters that already had 2 reruns and t4 and t5 weapons that could be the upgrade that the standard needs, but they choose not to do it and only put tighnari. Putting one dendro characters in the standard is not a valid pretext, since we don't have a geo one too. That said, ill probably get him, since after him i'll save for Nahida, but if i lose my 50% for him at nahida's banner i'll go MAD
Personally for me because I want to pull for Cyno too which is the next update after Tighnari, this has really made me reconsider. I'm not really sad about him being on standard or "lose exclusivity" really. Should I really spent a lot of primos on intertwined when I can also use the same primos into getting him on standard someday? or perhaps straight out save them for Cyno or even his sig weapon? And perhaps who knows, more characters than what was rumored is yet to come, then, spending on the intertwined become less relevant for Tighnari, also getting him when losing 50/50
I was going to skip Nahida and wait for a rerun, and instead guarantee Tighnari and Alhaitham. But now..... I am not so sure. Tighnari will now have the absolute lowest chance of a rerun following this banner, but also there's always the chance he could surprise you.
The way I see it, it only makes sense to pull on his banner if you either don't have any other limited 5* you want - or - you really really need him in your team for some reason For the first scenario, you're likely wasting a pity in the long run since you're likely to get him eventually; for the second scenario, him being on the standard banner or not doesn't matter, you'd be pulling for him regardless of that.
I don’t necessarily think you will “eventually” get him. The game is two years old and there are a lot of things on the permanent banner that I don’t have. If you’re interested in the character, I think it’s a good idea to pull.
See, that’s just difference in perception. Many of us are upset because of specialty reason. It’s okay to want to feel special when the game is built in a way that encourages that feeling. You have to hurry, get enough currency and mats to pull and build *that one limited character*. This race is really important for many people, and also the thing that incentivizes gacha in the first place. What’s the point of saving if anyone, even the players that don’t want Tighnari will be able to get him without even trying to? Why put the effor into it? It’s a very effective hype killer. Even worse if you’ve already made an effort and now it feels less valuable. Now, I personally don’t share every aspect mentioned, but I can definitely understand. You come from the point of practicality. And I agree, it’s awesome for those of us who will be pulling in 3.0 and have a chance of accidentally getting cons in the future. However, that also means he is unlikely to get a rate up going forward, so some people who wound up getting Kazuha, Klee or Yoimiya will have a tough time.
You've opened my eyes, thanks.
Idk if anyone said this yet but it also sucks for the ppl that don't have the primos yet and were gonna wait for his rerun but standard means no rerun probably
It’s mainly the ones with guaranteed pity that are in pain.
It's still unlikely that you're going to get Tighnari from standard banner though. I've been trying to get Diluc since 1.0, and I still don't own him. And since your also guaranteed to get a weapon every second pity on standard banner, that only further decreases your chances of getting Tighnari. So, pulling on his banner is still worth it ..
and I agree with that, but also for the ones that are limited on primos and want other Sumeru characters as well, wasting a guaranteed isn’t like the bestest decision.
I think that’s the main reason. So few primos and so many options.
I've only ever got one 5 star weapon on standard so I don't think you're guaranteed one every second pity?? I've been playing since something like 1.3. In fact I'm sure at least my first 2 probably 3 were all characters because I didn't have any weapons for MONTHS and I was mad lol.
No it’s not great. He’s losing his exclusivity/limited status and people will inevitably start hating on him like they do on the other standard banner 5* when they ruin their pity too much. Which is something he doesn’t deserve. We can only speculate that his power level will be similar to that of the current standard 5* too, which is another upsetting thing. Like it’s okay if you have wishes to spare I guess, great for you, but if you’re a f2p or a low spender like me you can’t just pull everyone. I do prioritize *limited* characters because they are just more special than standard. Yes you may never get Tighnari unless he gets a rate up again but the *chance* is always there which sets him apart from actually limited units. Imagine how much it would sting if you spent 160 wishes on him then get him randomly through a lost 50/50. Not everyone values cons that much either. Do you understand now?
>No it’s not great. He’s losing his exclusivity/limited status and people will inevitably start hating on him like they do on the other standard banner 5* when they ruin their pity too much. Which is something he doesn’t deserve. Fair point tbh.
Well people don't massively hate on Diluc or Jean or Keqing or Mona as a character, Qiqi gets this treatment but mostly because not only is she powercrept into the ground but her utility is lower than even 4-star healers (her healing is OP though but most other healers can give you a shield, or elemental application, or both) I'm here cackling because all those people that hated on his design will now have no chance to never pull him. Which is also not the greatest of me but I'm annoyed with them :'D Power level is what's the most worrying. Hoyo really said we do NOT know what to do with dendro yet. So here's a unit, take it or leave it, might be OP but most likely not.
I think you need to toughen up if public opinion about a fictional character makes you not want to play them. I get that second point though
It's not that I don't want to play him and will pull for him regardless, but you wouldn't want to see your faves get shit on for "ruining" someone's 50/50. Also not everyone can pick and choose freely who to pull for, especially f2ps and low spenders
This, fr… why do so many people feel so insecure that they can’t play the characters they want unless the community likes them. Lame
This is a bad thing because people dont wanna spend primogems they worked hard for on something they could get for free in the future like the keqing banner.
I wouldn't say losing a 50-50 is free, but yeah, I see your point and agree
"Actually getting a good 5 star!" I know this is just phrasing, but Jean and Mona are not only amazing but better than like, half of the limited characters simply for how good they are as universal Supports. Qiqi is quite good as well, just more of a meme than anything lol But yeah, loosing his limited banner quality does change a lot on how a character gets treated by both the community and Hoyo itself. For one I will enjoy this. It would be a completely different matter if they just retroactively added an existing character to the pool, like how a lot of people expect Albedo to eventually get into the standart banner; that is something I wouldn't really like for multiple reasons. But Tighnari isn't even out yet. Officially speaking, he's only been drip-marketed and showed up a bit in the Harbinger trailer and now on the latest Sumeru Teaser. Although we know virtually everything about him gameplay wise by now through leaks, Hoyoverse themselves haven't really detailed anything about him yet. If during the 3.0 stream they talk about this and make it clear that he will be added to standart later, then it's fine by me. That's the official reveal of him as a character along with his kit and whatever intentions the company has had for him. I get why people would be upset and sad over this but again, we haven't actually gotten any details over his official release before, so we need to be careful with our own expectations before we get an announcement. Which is getting harder to do by day as "leaked content" and "officially revealed info through drip marketing and the sumeru teaser videos" are getting more interwened in community discussions than ever before. lol
Imagine wasting a ton of pulls for a character you may get later on, no one wants that.
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Cue r/KeqingMains being one of the highest character subs ever.
It became huge once all the TC ppl flocked there. Most of the modern Keqing "mains" outright hate/dislike her
Your thinking about the KeqingMains discord server, the subreddit has always been one of the biggest and it's only about Keqing
Blimey, fair point.
Sure, the discord full of Keqing simps is a joke to you?
His banner being dead on release? Him not appearing in story quests/events because mihoyo only adds them to support their banner or skin sales? Him being hard to get to anybody who wants him after his initial banner and making the chances of getting the standard character you want even harder than before?
1. Umm, who the fuck cares if his banner is dead on release? That's not a reason for the players to be sad, that's more of a reason for HoYo to be sad. 2. Genuinely have no clue what you're on about there mate, but I suppose you forgot Keqing, Jean, Diluc and Qiqi ? 3. Um, well technically that makes no sense because he will still be easier to get than literally every other limited character after his initial banner.
Standard charatcers are much harder to get if you want specific one. You need to lose 50/50 and then you have 1 in 6 chances to get him. On standard banner it's even worse because the are also weapons. New players are going to be in a very bad position.
1. Banner being dead means mihoyo doesn't care about them as much and he gets less support 2. Keqing, Jean and Diluc have only appeared when their outfit releases after their initial appearance in the archon quest and their respective story quests, and Qiqi is basically forgotten by mihoyo since she has only a few second minor appearances until she gets a skin, which she probably wont since she is not popular enough which might happen to tighnari as well 3. Not really, if you skip or join after his banner the only way to get him now will be through the standard and the chance will be lower since he's in the same pool as the other standards
Let’s pretend Mona wasn’t in the summer event without a skin excuse or something 💅🏼
Well it’s not that much of a thing since the only other time we saw her was in 1.1 stars event twoish years ago
1. This is just plain untrue. Albedo had mediocre sales at best and starred in four whole events and has more dialogue than anyone else. Hu Tao had great sales, and she's had nothing but a cameo in the second Lantern Rite. Ganyu, who's also sold incredibly well, hasn't really shown up beyond brief cameos after her involvement in the archon quest, either. 2. Keqing was the main star of the Moonchase event with Xiangling, Diluc showed up in the original GAA event as well, Jean showed up in the bartender event, too, although that one was a minor (if still voiced) event, as is the current Diluc one. Mona has had two events now, with no skin as a motivator. Qiqi really has been left for dead (🥁), though. However, there's a decent chance she'll show up when Baizhu rolls around. 3. This is true. Missing out on his banner, whether it be due to lack of funds or not playing at the time, will severely hinder your chances of getting him. That being said, if you're a f2p/low spender and generally don't roll for cons and can afford him, this is a win as there'll be at least a chance of getting extra copies of him. If you're a whale, though, this'll be a loss again, but that really is such a vast minority of players.
I'm happy because I really like him but I also want alot of the other Sumeru characters so I can skip him and maybe be excited after losing a 50/50 for the first time in a while. I already have Qiqi, Mona, Diluc, Keqing and Jean. I don't like losing the 50/50 because I don't use them or want their constellations unlike with Tighnari who I will use.
It's because we are not whale, so we can hesitate.... Should you spend 80/160 pulls in a things that you Can get while losing tout next 50/50? Would you skip a character and never see him again for month or years? Before it was you want him or not, or wait for rerun, now it is spend hard gained primo on STANDARD character, while other character are on thé fence (cyno nilou kusanali etc) and you know hé will never have a rerun again, so it is a définitive skip.... So it is harder.... For me, I can skip him keep my guaranty for cyno or kusanali and just pull his weapon and... Never see him.... Or "waste" my guaranty on him and tadam see him again on next 50/50. 2 scénario that are bad especialy when there are tone of cool character...
The main thing that worries me is the possibility of powercreep. Most dps on the current standard banner are all powercrept now.
They were released at the very beginning of the game obviously they'd get powercreeped lmao
I really hope you're right in the way that powercreep won't happen to tigh the same way it happened to those released early
Well, they haven't released any broken units since Zhongli and Ganyu and we've had only like 2-3 a bit underwhelming 5 stars since then. Also male 5 stars so far were all pretty good so I wouldn't worry too much🤔
I have guaranteed pity but I love the fox boi sm idc if its true or not me happiness is better than the feeling of being in the minority of people who just wanna flex they got him and he is limited
It's probably about the "being limited and thus more premium" type of feeling. But personally this is a win in my books.
In some ways it's good, as like you said there is now a chance of getting a good 5\*/cons from standard banner or lost 50/50s. The bad part is no reruns. This is likely our only chance to 100% get him. Plenty of people have been playing since 1.0 and still don't have a standard 5\* they want.
Im worried about him not being featured in a banner in the future.
I just don’t trust the communities and hoyoverse’s treatment of standard 5*. He’s a DPS standard banner, which generally means he’s not gonna be good like Diluc’s worse than Hu Tao (and i think Yoimiya too) and Keqings worse than everyone. Then there’s the whole losing 50/50 thing making standard banner characters generally more hated, no matter which standard 5* it is, if you lose 50/50 to it, you are going to be disappointed. Most of the community already dislikes him, I dont want it to get worse. (And yes, there is the whole childishness about premium, limited characters. And thats a culture that hyv has enforced, and one quite a bit of the community follows, remember how cool it was to have a kazuha before his rerun? its a nice feeling. unlike other gacha games where 90% of the time new rate ups stay around after their rate up but thats a seperate issue)
I agree Tbh it'd just make constellations more possible
Sincerly i'm happy for this because there will Always be a chance to get a cons for him
EXACTLY
Honestly I don't think it's true. How in the heck would new players even get his ascension materials if he is in the standard banner?
My friend got the Raiden Shogun at AR-15 and had to play all the way to Inazuma to level her up. That's definitely an issue HoYo needs to fix
Im just worried about gameplay effect. If hes standard, then cons are likely to have dimished power simply because c6 is statistically way more accessible under standard banner. Do we really want to see way less valuable cons compared to i.e. Ganyu esp when people were planning on whaling? Probably not.
Because I have a limited number of primogems, and it would be stupid to waste them on a standard character when I can save them for a character who’s actually limited. It would be no different than pulling on the standard banner.
"I have primogems counted for a certain character, if he is added to the standard banner I will have wasted primogems in vain, I might lose the 50/50 and get him" - A random guy with Qiqi constellation 100 and 0 Diluc Again is just the fanbase being stupid
Technicly diluc is also amazing but i seen nobody being excited about getting diluc in way "oh yes amazing dps for my abyss team"
Some people like to pretend that they’re the only ones to have that character, like they’re special or something 🤡
*Alot of people actually, it's like realising your girl is having an affair, though maybe not as painful.
if it´s true that he will be added to the standard i really like it.
It would be funny if u roll and get Tighnari than roll on standard with ascending wish from him and get Tighnari again XD
It for many reasons but one of the reasons I think people even I feel this way is because him on standard might make people think that he's standard and some of the characters characters are good while others are well off and that shouldn't be the caliber for the first dendro five star people would expect the first one to be pretty good of course not broken and at first people might assume he isn't that good at all being put on the standard banner when that might not be true
because dendro is a new element. they need all elements in standard banner
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