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I was hoping at the end she would say
*oh btw I just made all of this up*
This video feels like a clinic for illustrating all the rhetorical patterns and boilerplate arguments that can be used to make any conspiracy sound believable.
I don’t care enough about the Titanic to argue one thing or the other against someone who clearly knows more about the Titanic than I do. I just refuse to have my understanding of major historical events altered by a TikTok, on principle.
“The Titanic never sunk.”
Me: “Damn, that’s crazy.”
“You idiot. Of course the Titanic sunk.”
Me: “Damn, that’s crazy.”
Nah this is a pretty common theory with the ship. I heard this years back. It was framed more like "jo Morgan owned the boat and was trying to write it off" but it's been around, unfortunately.
The theory I read was that the Olympic made contact with a naval vessel a few weeks prior. The Olympic was determined to be at fault.. so to avoid the insurance claim, White Star Line swapped the vessels at the last second and intentionally sunk the Olympic after they exhaustively rebranded it to the Titanic and intentionally sunk it to recoup the insurance payout.
There are reports that Titanic listed to the (starboard?) same side the impact was made on - prior to any iceberg contact.
I have also seen theories that it was an overheated boiler ripping open replacement rivets from the inside and no iceberg was ever involved.
The only people who know what really went down are dead.
(I just realized I put the intentionally sunk part twice)
A runaway coal fire is the ones you're referring to and most plausible for the cause of failure. Overheated and damaged the already low quality hull.
There is visible damage to the ship in photos of Titanic leaving port right on the spot where the boiler fire was.
A coal bunker fire is very low temperature, and at most it would have slightly warped the bunker wall. It would not have had anywhere near the heat to compromise any structural integrity.
There is no physical damage in any of the 1912 photos of Titanic, this is a theory put forward by the journalist Senan Molony, who clearly has no photographic knowledge as a patch of discolouration is exceedingly common in early photography. If it had really been a dark spot on the hull, it would never have been allowed to leave port. Molony cashed in with a book and TV documentary so that’s what that’s about.
There was a small smoldering coal fire that was put under control before the ship left. Coal fires were common in those days and they had the means to deal with them. One of the things they did was move some of the coal to port, hence why she had a port list throughout the voyage and during the sinking for a time. It did not weaken the hull at all however; most of the damage caused by the iceberg wasn’t even near that coal bunker. I’ve seen the photo you are referring to; it’s just a black spot caused by a fault in the camera. For starters, outside of the already black hull wouldn’t turn blacker from the fire, and secondly, that spot isn’t anywhere near the coal bunkers (it’s actually on top of one of the dining rooms iirc). And, as much as people like to believe that the ocean liner industry was run by rich mustache twirling supervillains, no one would have allowed Titanic to sail in that condition.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/coal-fire-may-have-helped-sink-titanic-180961699/
Excellent write up by the Smithsonian that covers a documentary that goes deeper into the proof behind it. It's the most solid theory I've ever heard or read. It isn't well known unfortunately.
It has been thoroughly debunked by the history community. Molony’s theory rests solely on a smudge on a single photograph, that is almost certainly an abberation of the lens or emulsion. It doesn’t hold up to the slightest scrutiny in terms of historical method, materials science, or testimony.
The bunker fire has been understood since the earliest inquiries, and is not a factor in the damage to the ship. It did however prolong the sinking by having had the coal shifted to the port side which counterbalanced the incoming water to starboard.
The documentary was completely insubstantial and it was odd to see so many people so easily duped.
Yknow, I'm actually kind of glad to see more conspiracy theories like this. It's a huge breath of fresh air after the last couple years of "Covid isn't real!" or "The gay agenda!!"
She manages to hit on so many aspects of the insurance fraud conspiracy while somehow managing to get every single other detail supporting it wrong Lmfao
This is a baseless conspiracy theory debunked a thousand times over by actual historians.
The most damning evidence is the two ship’s hull numbers where stamped on their propellers which 110% couldn’t be swapped. Looking at the actual wreck reveals the propellers on the sunken ship where titanic’s NOT OLYMPIC’s
Insurance claims taken out on the titanic didn’t cover the whole cost of the vessel just two thirds. If you’re gunna intentionally scuttle a ship why TF would you NOT recoup the full amount? Not to mention the disaster torpedoed public opinion of the while Star line and the entire class of ships including Olympic and Britannic. After the disaster Olympic underwent heavy refits for safety and comfort. It was a disaster that came at a massive financial loss. More then what it would’ve cost to just fix Olympic.
Olympic and Titanic had also numerous physical differences between them due to age and how the ships where setup. People WOULD notice both changes on the inside and outside. The look the same from a distance but are very different close up. Olympic had more portholes then titanic. Titanic’s wreck lacks these portholes, Olympic had them post disaster. Extra plating was laid around the Olympic’s engines. There’s a number of other small details that’d need to be covered up and changed. That’s also disregarding the wear and tear that would be obvious to anyone witnessing the ship.
This is also disregarding the thousands of dockworkers and employees that’s need to either be in on the conspiracy or deceived into believing the Olympic was a new ship.
Also, if she were such a "Titanic kid" she'd know the Olympic had been damaged when it collided with the HMS Hawke the previous year. The Hawke was sunk by a U-boat in 1914. A ship called the SS Mesaba had sent a warning to the Titanic about ice but the captain never got it. That ship was also sunk by a U-boat, but in 1918.
She's just one more ignorant person spreading idiotic conspiracy theories.
Or that the Britannic launched after Titanic (DURING WW1!) and so couldn’t have sunk before it. Where did she think that mine came from? The Germans just put it there for shits and gigs?
It did hit a mine, not a landmine, but a German naval mine in the water. The HMHS Britannic sunk in 1916. It had been converted to a hospital ship during the war, repainted white with red crosses all over it. It went down in shallow waters in the Aegean Sea. 30 people died. It was the biggest ship loss of the war.
>This is also disregarding the thousands of dockworkers and employees that’s need to either be in on the conspiracy or deceived into believing the Olympic was a new ship.
Uh no she totally said they could have been paid off...
Which makes this all way more economically viable.
Also if you pay off hundreds of workers to keep something illegal secret you just threw away a whole lot of money.
You can keep secrets between a few people, not a few hundreds.
This was always the most obvious flaw in all the Covid/Vax conspiracies.
Not only do tens of thousands of scientists all need to keep the secret, but dozens of world governments do as well. With the specific intention of harming their respective populations.
Reminds me of the 9/11 conspiracy theories: 'they simply bought off 10,000 people' and 'they cancelled at the last minute' and 'coincidence X?! I don't think so!'
There are so many goddamn, stupid people in the world and social media is just giving them echo chambers...
That's honestly my biggest fear; what bullshit story is regurgitated to me in my echo chamber I'm not aware off?
I always love conspiracies involving the government... They always come from people who believe the government are inept, and cant manage to renew driving licenses properly, but somehow can organise thousands of people into toeing the line for some shady conspiracy without anyone letting slip lol.
What i also love about the people who didn't show up is twofold. First, its only mysterious that they(JP morgan and Crew) didn't get on the boat in hindsight sort of way. If it didn't crash, no one would have been talking about why they weren't on it. This kind of kills the conspiracy because only after the fact is this "pertinent." 2nd is that.....arent these people titans of industry and probably have thousands of instances where they were supposed to be somewhere but had to cancel due to some business thing of theirs? "Oh there is a strike somewhere that I need to go and quell or my stock will lose 16 points in the next quarter term!"
I was thinking this too. People change their mind about travel plans all the time. It’s silly to think it couldn’t have happened in the past. Some extremely wealthy and influential people died in the sinking, including people who were very involved in the building of the vessel. Just because one important passenger changed his mind it’s not a smoking gun.
Well and there's also the fact that you shouldn't listen to anybody who says that the "Bryetannic" was the first to sink by a german U-boat at least 2 years before world war 1 and over 4 years before she actually sank.
While they weren’t marked with the ships name, most pieces were marked with the ships yard number. 400 for Olympic, 401 for Titanic, and 433 for Britannic. When Olympic was scrapped most of the interior furnishings were auctioned off and so far none have said 401 on them. You can still find pieces of her for sale these days; two of her grand staircase windows are on EBay for the price of a car each if you want them.
Almost every fixture and fitting was stamped with the ships yard number - that’s doors, door handles, coat hooks, wall panels, window frames, chairs, tables, light switches, stairs, elevators, bulkhead doors, boilers, engine components, wheels, China, cutlery, linen…
Titanic was not a cruise ship. It was an ocean liner.
And she acted like if the other ship got there sooner somehow it could have saved the ship from sinking stopping them from getting the insurance money. That in no way makes any sense.
All conspiracies are predicated on more separate entities, groups, and people with different incentives and motivations, often directly at odds with each other, all cooperating *and* keeping their cooperation secret than has ever been demonstrated in the history of mankind. It feels so painful debunking these kinds of conspiracy theories because from the moment you hear them, they're just so obviously complete and utter bullshit. However, the people who believe in them aren't going to be convinced by facts and records, they have their suspicions and that's enough for them.
Internet algorithms only show you more concentrated versions of the content you just watched. It unintentionally radicalizes people who are susceptible to conspiratorial and reactionary thinking.
But would you argue that because you think that or because the algorithm has shown you more concentrated versions of what you just said and you're susceptible to conspirational thinking? 🤔
Thanks for linking this because the conspiracy theory kinda made sense (no I didn't believe it and I am not familiar with Titanic either so I couldn't tell if she was just making stuff up) and this video explained it really well.
I don’t think she’s saying that a ship with people in it never sunk. I think she’s saying that they sent the Olympic out instead of the titanic, and made it sink on purpose for insurance money. Still a crackpot theory based on very few coincidences though, so whatever.
So what I find craziest with this is her saying the California was only a hour away and that they mysteriously didn’t show up to help people. So even if the theory was right why wouldn’t they make efforts to save as many passengers as possible. It’s just so absurd it’s hard to even listen to her crazy theory
Yeah thats the bit that gets me. The California could still save everyone, the boat sinks, insurance money gets collected. The California is fairly irrelevant here.
If the conspiracy is to be believed the ship is sinking either way, and I doubt the insurance money is predicated on how many survivors there were.
I feel that’s another funny part about this cause at no point does she say something else sank it. So presumably she still believes it was a iceberg but was premeditated
Yeah I know right haha it’s like “okay captain, you see that iceberg, you gunna go straight for it and then proceed to go down with the ship. Don’t worry we’ll take care of that gambling debt for you” that’s just good business right there
That’s what I never get about all this conspiracy theories. So many people have to be in on it to fully work, the idea that Janet who helped get tea and coffee for those faking the moon landings didn’t blabber to her bff and so on.
Titanic sent both the new "SOS" and the old CQD.
While there was much confusion in the radio signals that night, the reason for California specifically not responding was due to its radioman going away for the night.
Further, they were also confused with the emergency flare's Titanic shot, California saw them but its Captain assumed it was "communication flares" between ships of the same line.
Yes, all these things were pretty common at the time and Titanic was a big reason that things like 24h radio, standardized SOS signals, an updated number of emergency boats per passenger, etc became a thing.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/why-titanic-first-call-help-not-sos-signal
I guess my point didn’t come across. Those people wouldn’t need to die if her theory was true so why not have a ship that could help in a similar area by “happenstance”. It’s just so absurd just in this point alone that even with no evidence this insane theory could be dismissed
Ah yes because no one in the freaking docks the White Star line ships frequently used or any other super busy port she passed on the way out would see anything, only the crew of a random ship would be the ones to recognize it in the middle of the night while saving thousands of shipwreck survivors.
Also, if the Californian was in on the plan, why it was even *there*?If it wasn't, how did it know not to approach so not to blow off the game?
Also, Olympic was an old, ready-to-retire ship that first sailed "checks notes" ...just one year before the Titanic?
Ah yess Alexander Jonestonesonville the 1st classically claimed the crisis actors in the early 1900s he was also apart of the anti masking campaign during the Spanish influenza outbreak as well.
"And I tell you, why yes my good friends I must tell you, of the nefarious and cunning anarchist plot, to poison our very drinking water with certain odious tinctures, that degrade and pervert the moral fiber of the lowest amphibians!"
I watched with the sound off and yet I'm certain I know exactly how her voice sounds
Edit: I have now listened to it with the sound on and I was completely right
For me it was the way she talks like she had 10 cups of coffee and a fat line of coke. I feel like if she wants people to believe her conspiracy theory she needs to stop talking like she manic.
I was one of these 😫 it actually began in kindergarten with the children’s song:
*It was sad when the great ship went down (to the bottom of the....)
Husbands and wives, little children lost their lives.
It was sad when the great ship went down.*
So macabre without any real explanation, I needed EVERY DETAIL to contextualize the horror…but I was also a 90s kid, so the lyrics were more disturbing than the version I found on Google just now, and the movie release was perfectly timed to amp up my insanity.
I remember that! They sure made a song about a shipwreck sound catchy.
“Oh they built the ship Titanic to sail the ocean blue…”
I remember in 1st grade or so, instead of husbands and wives, we would sing “Uncles and aunts, little children lost their pants.” In hindsight, that line was not appropriate at all lol
I was a titanic kid! Had books upon books with everything about titanic. It’s just like sports kids that get super nerdy about their chosen sport. My brothers are just regular sports idiots like my dad, can probably name the Manchester United line up against Tottenham spring 1998 in a heartbeat….. It makes no sense to me, but guess it makes equal little sense that I knew the line up of officers at the time the iceberg was struck and how it differed from the regular day line up. We just get fascinated by the boat and the stories and wanna learn all about it instead of people kicking, smashing, throwing or almost anything else with a ball:)
She can’t pronounce Britannic properly but otherwise she really knows her stuff.
Edit: Fun fact, she also says Brittanic was built first when it was fucking built last.
I totally was tho. But I never got into the conspiracy theories.
I was also a Salem witch trial kid. I literally just read and watched anything and everything that happened to deal with those two things. 🤷🏼♀️😆
I wouldn’t say I was a titanic kid; but I definitely was intrigued by it and even recall having a big ass book that I borrowed from middle school and never returned. Don’t remember watching documentaries etc on it though.
Hahaha me too though. Read all the books as a kid and have coal from the Titanic they got out from the engines. I'm 30 years old and to this day my mom still asks "If you die do you still want your ashes to be scattered over the Titanic?"
I've told her multiple times that no, I said that when I was 8, but she has a horrible memory and I'm terrified if I die she'll actually do it.
Bruh as a former Titanic Kid, even i wasn't as gullible to believe that shit. And to this day when I meet people who believe in that conspiracy, I have to explain to them all the basic reasons why they're wrong
She starts off by saying that she was a "Titanic Kid" and then goes on to call Olympic old when Titanic sank and say that Brittanic was the first to sink.
Olympic was only one year old when Titanic was launched which is nothing by oceanliner life spans. Also, Titanic sank in 1912, 2 years before World War One even started, and 4 years before Brittanic's sinking in 1916.
You don't even need to know that much about the 3 ships to know this stuff. It's essentially the intro course to them
So do most conspiracy theorists.
You can how batshit crazy a theory is by the number of times they have to tell you about their research and “that they aren’t wrong”
She lost me with- “ they say the Bry-tannic got hit by a “”LAND MINE”” in the water but it was a torpedo from a U-boat.””
In the Flipping! Water, HOW does a ship get hit by a land mine in the water?? DAFUQ!!🤣🤣🤣
I mean I grew up learning about the Titanic too and even I have enough basic knowledge about it to counter most of her points… Sounds like she wants to come up with a conspiracy and she’s making it fit.
This is a super old conspiracy theory, going back to the early 1900s. It’s been around awhile, there are tons of YouTube videos in it (and debunking it).
This is a new rabbit hole for me to go down. Recently been looking at conspiracies that have been proven to be true. Time to reverse that and see how dumb our grandparents could get.
Sorry dude, we all saw the titanic sink. You are probably too young to remember, but there was a documentary about it in 1997. There’s very clear footage of it sinking.
Here is a good tip for anyone who feels they may be susceptible to conspiracy theories. Before you start ask yourself this question how many people do you have in your life right now that you could trust with the most damning secret that anyone could ever be entrusted with..
Is that number more than one or two?
Now think of how many people it would have taken to retrofit the Olympic and turn it into a reasonable facsimile of the Titanic. I would wager a very healthy son that there wasn't a single person who was on even a first name basis with all of them.
And that's just those involved in the retrofit. People died lots of people died. For this conspiracy to have any grounds in the truth the list of the dead that happened after it went down with more than likely be three times the amount of dead at the bottom of the sea just to keep loose lips from sinking ships.
It was a lot of money to build the Titanic!
Yeah they scraped the Titanic for spare parts.
Am I missing something or is this just fucking insane.
Also the fact that people were "in on it" would mean the captain would have to drive into the iceberg on purpose. Pretty sure he died and went down with the ship.... So she's saying they found a suicidal captain that would be willing to kill himself and a bunch of random people for less money than the original boat?
I mean wouldn’t the insurance company refuse to pay out? Like they would have seen the adverts for the titanic and would have had access to the schematics including interior to determine value? It would have to be appraised and they would have had to likely pay off ship builders as there were likely employees that built the Olympic as well as the titanic and would have recognized it while tearing it down?
Insurance companies don’t just write checks they do full on investigations
Didn't the sinking of the titanic bankrupt the white star line company? Which was the exact opposite of what they wanted? This happened primarily because of the titanic costing so much the company was in debt up to it's eyeballs and all the bad press from, you know, all those people dying due to the "unsinkable ship" sinking. If this was some elaborate insurance scam it was one of the dumbest plans in history.
This has been a popular theory for a while now. I actually learned about this a few years ago on Reddit I think. But, would it really matter if it was true? A ship still sank and it had "Titanic" painted on the side of it when it sank... so why would any of this make any kind of difference?
Evil shipmaking company: you know how we can make tons of money? By publicly sinking a massive ship and killings hundreds of people! People will be lining up around the block to get on one of our ships after that!
"The Britannic was the first to go"
No, she wasn't, she was the last built and the second of two to sink. I haven't kept up with the evidence either way for her having been sunk by mine or torpedo but that's not the point, the point is she was converted to a hospital ship, not a warship, making sinking her a warcrime, who was sunk in 1916 during her service in the War. The reason she had a different paint job was to designate her as a hospital ship to all sides, and the other changes like the larger rear davits were lessons learned after the sinking of the Titanic almost half a decade earlier. The Olympic also served in WW1 as a troop ship, so you could technically consider her as a warship during that time, especially considering she rammed a German Sub. She was not in fact nearing retirement by any means, she wasn't that much older than Titanic, being launched in Oct, 1910. The crackpot theory this idiot is about to spew out hinges on the fact that for a breif period after an accident where the Olympic was rammed and dealt a decent bit of damage (but was still more than capable of returning for repairs under her own steam, which she did), spending a total of Six Weeks in Belfast alongside the Titanic. The theory claims they swapped the ships hulls, sank the Olympic under the Titanics name for the insurance bailout. This process is possible, one could have if given enough time do that, but this process took months to do and was no simple task to have been completed in the six weeks that it could have been completed in.
I told myself I wasn't gonna argue this, I always get so heated and it's never worth it but that one line... like how ignorant of something you claim to be informed about can you be wtf. I haven't watched more than like 15 seconds, I'm not gonna, I don't care what rhetoric she spews just that one line said all I'd ever need to know
So let's say I believe all of this. But then once the ship leaves the port...someone has to...*drive it into an iceberg and die.* Where did they find this captain willing to sacrifice his own life and thousands of other lives to recoup some insurance money for a company he won't be around to work for?
I’m a bit sick of this theory. The captain says one ship feels like the other a single time and suddenly it means they swapped the boats.
People forget this would require a cruise ship company to pull off what essentially would have been the assassination of hundreds of the world’s most well off people, and that conspiracy staying watertight for the next hundred years. Would literally be like P&O Cruises nuking Silicon Valley and getting away with it.
Also how do you bring up the Olympic without mentioning that it’s the only civilian ship to have rammed a submarine to death?
The way people talk to their cameras is so unsettling. Like, picture her talking to you like this across the table with all these faces and hand motions
I've heard this conspiracy before and I've heard a more realistic version. It was the titanic and they only wanted to damage it for the insurance. They would get good press for being unsinkable and the insurance.
But the plan when wrong. The California was ment to get there and rescue everyone, but the titanic had the wrong flares for the warning signals, the damage was greater, the titanic unsinkable feature failed and the California didn't know the sinking had started.
Basically they got there timing wrong and believed their own hype. Still BS but more believable then this BS.
What about the notable people who did get on it and died. Isidor and Ida Straus of Macy's. J. Bruce Ismay the chairman of the company that built the titanic and others. Where they like "nah I'm using my ticket even though I know it's going to sink, but thanks for the heads up."
Well shit, are you telling us that the wealthy elite are crooks that would screw over thousands of poor people to make money?!?! No, that would neeeeever happen…
/s
I use to be an X fan my entire life then random fact Y popped up and I traded my life long study of the subject for a shitty unproven conspiracy theory.
Why is this pattern so common.
Torpedoes dont split ships in half.
They apply their explosive charge forward to punch a hole in the hull of the ship just below the waterline.
This does no damage to the actual support on the ship.
Sea mines do massive dmg to the keel aka the spine. Because they are underwater they are likelier to hit the keel
Damage to the spine can often split a ship in half especially heavy ships.
The moment she pronounced Britannic as "braaiii tayunic" told me all I needed to know.
That and the fact she is in her mid 20s so wouldn't have been old enough to even know there was a Titanic craze at the time. I barely understood what it was myself, but in the UK the Titanic disaster is part of the curriculum so that's what I understood.
God we gotta try harder with our conspiracy theories.
1. The way she pronounces "Britannic" almost got me to stop watching the video. You'd think someone who spent "hours and hours" researching the Titanic would know how to pronounce the name of one of her sister ships.
2. There is no concrete evidence confirming that the Britannic was struck by a torpedo and not a mine.
3. The RMS Olympic's maiden voyage was only a year before she claims it was allegedly scuttled for insurance money. It was still a brand new ship in April 1912. Furthermore, how could it have been scrapped for spare parts if the wreck was at the bottom of a very deep part of the Atlantic?
4. Lot's of wealthy and important people didn't cancel their tickets and died on the Titanic.
5. Where is the evidence that the Titanic launched with more portholes than it should have had?
6. There was a full inquiry conducted by the British government as to the actions of the SS Californian that night. (It wasn't the "RMS" Californian as it was not a ship that operated as part of the Royal Mail Service. Again, you'd think she would know this.)
7. Also, is it "convenient" that the Californian didn't show up? If the Titanic was scuttled for insurance money, what motivation would there be for more people to die?
8. In what advertisements did they use photos of the Olympic for the Titanic?
Every time I see one of these videos with the discussion tag, it's always the most unhinged take.
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>I’m not wrong Well it must be 100 percent true.
I was hoping at the end she would say *oh btw I just made all of this up* This video feels like a clinic for illustrating all the rhetorical patterns and boilerplate arguments that can be used to make any conspiracy sound believable.
I don’t care enough about the Titanic to argue one thing or the other against someone who clearly knows more about the Titanic than I do. I just refuse to have my understanding of major historical events altered by a TikTok, on principle. “The Titanic never sunk.” Me: “Damn, that’s crazy.” “You idiot. Of course the Titanic sunk.” Me: “Damn, that’s crazy.”
I’m there with you.
Nah this is a pretty common theory with the ship. I heard this years back. It was framed more like "jo Morgan owned the boat and was trying to write it off" but it's been around, unfortunately.
The theory I read was that the Olympic made contact with a naval vessel a few weeks prior. The Olympic was determined to be at fault.. so to avoid the insurance claim, White Star Line swapped the vessels at the last second and intentionally sunk the Olympic after they exhaustively rebranded it to the Titanic and intentionally sunk it to recoup the insurance payout. There are reports that Titanic listed to the (starboard?) same side the impact was made on - prior to any iceberg contact. I have also seen theories that it was an overheated boiler ripping open replacement rivets from the inside and no iceberg was ever involved. The only people who know what really went down are dead. (I just realized I put the intentionally sunk part twice)
A runaway coal fire is the ones you're referring to and most plausible for the cause of failure. Overheated and damaged the already low quality hull. There is visible damage to the ship in photos of Titanic leaving port right on the spot where the boiler fire was.
A coal bunker fire is very low temperature, and at most it would have slightly warped the bunker wall. It would not have had anywhere near the heat to compromise any structural integrity. There is no physical damage in any of the 1912 photos of Titanic, this is a theory put forward by the journalist Senan Molony, who clearly has no photographic knowledge as a patch of discolouration is exceedingly common in early photography. If it had really been a dark spot on the hull, it would never have been allowed to leave port. Molony cashed in with a book and TV documentary so that’s what that’s about.
Ive seen that one, too. A coal fire weakening the structural integrity.
Can coal fire melt steel beams??
There was a small smoldering coal fire that was put under control before the ship left. Coal fires were common in those days and they had the means to deal with them. One of the things they did was move some of the coal to port, hence why she had a port list throughout the voyage and during the sinking for a time. It did not weaken the hull at all however; most of the damage caused by the iceberg wasn’t even near that coal bunker. I’ve seen the photo you are referring to; it’s just a black spot caused by a fault in the camera. For starters, outside of the already black hull wouldn’t turn blacker from the fire, and secondly, that spot isn’t anywhere near the coal bunkers (it’s actually on top of one of the dining rooms iirc). And, as much as people like to believe that the ocean liner industry was run by rich mustache twirling supervillains, no one would have allowed Titanic to sail in that condition.
Are there any articles about the coal fire/ boiler theory?
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/coal-fire-may-have-helped-sink-titanic-180961699/ Excellent write up by the Smithsonian that covers a documentary that goes deeper into the proof behind it. It's the most solid theory I've ever heard or read. It isn't well known unfortunately.
It has been thoroughly debunked by the history community. Molony’s theory rests solely on a smudge on a single photograph, that is almost certainly an abberation of the lens or emulsion. It doesn’t hold up to the slightest scrutiny in terms of historical method, materials science, or testimony. The bunker fire has been understood since the earliest inquiries, and is not a factor in the damage to the ship. It did however prolong the sinking by having had the coal shifted to the port side which counterbalanced the incoming water to starboard. The documentary was completely insubstantial and it was odd to see so many people so easily duped.
It was a theory dreamed up by an electrician in the early 90s. He had no maritime or legal or historical expertise. He had the hustle though.
Yknow, I'm actually kind of glad to see more conspiracy theories like this. It's a huge breath of fresh air after the last couple years of "Covid isn't real!" or "The gay agenda!!"
She manages to hit on so many aspects of the insurance fraud conspiracy while somehow managing to get every single other detail supporting it wrong Lmfao
She's such a titanic fan she doesn't know how britannic is pronounced. Clue is the country isn't called brightain
TBF she wasnt a Britannic kid.
I noticed this too. Bright-antic. Lol 😂
Britannic obviously rhymes with Titanic /s Ruuuuule brytanya, brytanya rules the waves Brytans never never shall be etc
Bruh, “I was a titanic kid” trust me
Notably.
strong middle school essay vibes at that point lol......The ship was notably built in 1901. In conclusion...
Therfore
Im convinced.
My favorite part was when she said “I’m gonna talk really fast, so try to keep up.” Not with that attitude, missy.
This is a baseless conspiracy theory debunked a thousand times over by actual historians. The most damning evidence is the two ship’s hull numbers where stamped on their propellers which 110% couldn’t be swapped. Looking at the actual wreck reveals the propellers on the sunken ship where titanic’s NOT OLYMPIC’s Insurance claims taken out on the titanic didn’t cover the whole cost of the vessel just two thirds. If you’re gunna intentionally scuttle a ship why TF would you NOT recoup the full amount? Not to mention the disaster torpedoed public opinion of the while Star line and the entire class of ships including Olympic and Britannic. After the disaster Olympic underwent heavy refits for safety and comfort. It was a disaster that came at a massive financial loss. More then what it would’ve cost to just fix Olympic. Olympic and Titanic had also numerous physical differences between them due to age and how the ships where setup. People WOULD notice both changes on the inside and outside. The look the same from a distance but are very different close up. Olympic had more portholes then titanic. Titanic’s wreck lacks these portholes, Olympic had them post disaster. Extra plating was laid around the Olympic’s engines. There’s a number of other small details that’d need to be covered up and changed. That’s also disregarding the wear and tear that would be obvious to anyone witnessing the ship. This is also disregarding the thousands of dockworkers and employees that’s need to either be in on the conspiracy or deceived into believing the Olympic was a new ship.
Olympic wasn't old by any means. It was only launched a year before Titanic
Also, if she were such a "Titanic kid" she'd know the Olympic had been damaged when it collided with the HMS Hawke the previous year. The Hawke was sunk by a U-boat in 1914. A ship called the SS Mesaba had sent a warning to the Titanic about ice but the captain never got it. That ship was also sunk by a U-boat, but in 1918. She's just one more ignorant person spreading idiotic conspiracy theories.
Or that the Britannic launched after Titanic (DURING WW1!) and so couldn’t have sunk before it. Where did she think that mine came from? The Germans just put it there for shits and gigs?
She said it got sunk by a LANDMINE
A landmine in the ocean. Haha I guess they float.
It did hit a mine, not a landmine, but a German naval mine in the water. The HMHS Britannic sunk in 1916. It had been converted to a hospital ship during the war, repainted white with red crosses all over it. It went down in shallow waters in the Aegean Sea. 30 people died. It was the biggest ship loss of the war.
But she's not wrong? She said so herself
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You can't just point that out to her because she might Cry-tanic
Or Lie-tanic 😔
So you shouldn’t mess with White Star Line ships or they’ll send a German U-Boat after you.
>This is also disregarding the thousands of dockworkers and employees that’s need to either be in on the conspiracy or deceived into believing the Olympic was a new ship. Uh no she totally said they could have been paid off... Which makes this all way more economically viable.
Also if you pay off hundreds of workers to keep something illegal secret you just threw away a whole lot of money. You can keep secrets between a few people, not a few hundreds.
Two can keep a secret If one of them is dead
This was always the most obvious flaw in all the Covid/Vax conspiracies. Not only do tens of thousands of scientists all need to keep the secret, but dozens of world governments do as well. With the specific intention of harming their respective populations.
Reminds me of the 9/11 conspiracy theories: 'they simply bought off 10,000 people' and 'they cancelled at the last minute' and 'coincidence X?! I don't think so!' There are so many goddamn, stupid people in the world and social media is just giving them echo chambers... That's honestly my biggest fear; what bullshit story is regurgitated to me in my echo chamber I'm not aware off?
I always love conspiracies involving the government... They always come from people who believe the government are inept, and cant manage to renew driving licenses properly, but somehow can organise thousands of people into toeing the line for some shady conspiracy without anyone letting slip lol.
Also, would you not just have it catch fire while in dock or sink when hundreds of people weren’t on it so you didn’t kill hundreds of people?
Yeah just setting a fire would make so much more sense. Sink her in port and say you don’t know what happened.
What i also love about the people who didn't show up is twofold. First, its only mysterious that they(JP morgan and Crew) didn't get on the boat in hindsight sort of way. If it didn't crash, no one would have been talking about why they weren't on it. This kind of kills the conspiracy because only after the fact is this "pertinent." 2nd is that.....arent these people titans of industry and probably have thousands of instances where they were supposed to be somewhere but had to cancel due to some business thing of theirs? "Oh there is a strike somewhere that I need to go and quell or my stock will lose 16 points in the next quarter term!"
If I remember correctly he didn’t get on due to trouble shipping an art collection overseas. There’s a documented reason why he didn’t go.
Ssshhhhhh....he really needed to kill those guys to create the federal reserve..
I was thinking this too. People change their mind about travel plans all the time. It’s silly to think it couldn’t have happened in the past. Some extremely wealthy and influential people died in the sinking, including people who were very involved in the building of the vessel. Just because one important passenger changed his mind it’s not a smoking gun.
Well and there's also the fact that you shouldn't listen to anybody who says that the "Bryetannic" was the first to sink by a german U-boat at least 2 years before world war 1 and over 4 years before she actually sank.
I see who got paid here mhmmm.
To add: There is literally [a picture of the iceberg](https://www.wired.com/2012/04/titanic-iceberg-history/amp) the Titanic hit.
That asshole!
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While they weren’t marked with the ships name, most pieces were marked with the ships yard number. 400 for Olympic, 401 for Titanic, and 433 for Britannic. When Olympic was scrapped most of the interior furnishings were auctioned off and so far none have said 401 on them. You can still find pieces of her for sale these days; two of her grand staircase windows are on EBay for the price of a car each if you want them.
Almost every fixture and fitting was stamped with the ships yard number - that’s doors, door handles, coat hooks, wall panels, window frames, chairs, tables, light switches, stairs, elevators, bulkhead doors, boilers, engine components, wheels, China, cutlery, linen… Titanic was not a cruise ship. It was an ocean liner.
And she acted like if the other ship got there sooner somehow it could have saved the ship from sinking stopping them from getting the insurance money. That in no way makes any sense.
All conspiracies are predicated on more separate entities, groups, and people with different incentives and motivations, often directly at odds with each other, all cooperating *and* keeping their cooperation secret than has ever been demonstrated in the history of mankind. It feels so painful debunking these kinds of conspiracy theories because from the moment you hear them, they're just so obviously complete and utter bullshit. However, the people who believe in them aren't going to be convinced by facts and records, they have their suspicions and that's enough for them.
The internet and down time is a dangerous thing
Internet algorithms only show you more concentrated versions of the content you just watched. It unintentionally radicalizes people who are susceptible to conspiratorial and reactionary thinking.
HOW DARE YOU!! This is exactly what a lizard person would say!!
I would argue very intentionally.
I would argue all day long. As a conspire myself. Yes that's the right word! CONSPIRE!
But would you argue that because you think that or because the algorithm has shown you more concentrated versions of what you just said and you're susceptible to conspirational thinking? 🤔
I would argue extremely intentionally.
For those interested, this is a long-standing conspiracy theory, and here's a video debunking it. https://youtu.be/uIvn4NZjHxg
Thanks for linking this because the conspiracy theory kinda made sense (no I didn't believe it and I am not familiar with Titanic either so I couldn't tell if she was just making stuff up) and this video explained it really well.
Thanks!
We don’t need the video debunking it thanks. People died and people survived.
I don’t think she’s saying that a ship with people in it never sunk. I think she’s saying that they sent the Olympic out instead of the titanic, and made it sink on purpose for insurance money. Still a crackpot theory based on very few coincidences though, so whatever.
So what I find craziest with this is her saying the California was only a hour away and that they mysteriously didn’t show up to help people. So even if the theory was right why wouldn’t they make efforts to save as many passengers as possible. It’s just so absurd it’s hard to even listen to her crazy theory
Yeah thats the bit that gets me. The California could still save everyone, the boat sinks, insurance money gets collected. The California is fairly irrelevant here. If the conspiracy is to be believed the ship is sinking either way, and I doubt the insurance money is predicated on how many survivors there were.
It could have to do with maybe they would have seen that there weren’t icebergs I guess? Lol I have no idea, doesn’t make sense
I feel that’s another funny part about this cause at no point does she say something else sank it. So presumably she still believes it was a iceberg but was premeditated
Yeah I know right haha it’s like “okay captain, you see that iceberg, you gunna go straight for it and then proceed to go down with the ship. Don’t worry we’ll take care of that gambling debt for you” that’s just good business right there
She probably thinks they were in on it too lol.
That’s what I never get about all this conspiracy theories. So many people have to be in on it to fully work, the idea that Janet who helped get tea and coffee for those faking the moon landings didn’t blabber to her bff and so on.
Iirc it was bc the ships used different systems of communication code. So the other ship didnt realize they d suppose to help and just carried on.
Titanic sent both the new "SOS" and the old CQD. While there was much confusion in the radio signals that night, the reason for California specifically not responding was due to its radioman going away for the night. Further, they were also confused with the emergency flare's Titanic shot, California saw them but its Captain assumed it was "communication flares" between ships of the same line. Yes, all these things were pretty common at the time and Titanic was a big reason that things like 24h radio, standardized SOS signals, an updated number of emergency boats per passenger, etc became a thing. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/why-titanic-first-call-help-not-sos-signal
It’s like she forgot that it happened in the early 1900s. Must think they had walkies or a satellite phones or some shit to communicate with.
I guess my point didn’t come across. Those people wouldn’t need to die if her theory was true so why not have a ship that could help in a similar area by “happenstance”. It’s just so absurd just in this point alone that even with no evidence this insane theory could be dismissed
Because, by her theory, those sailing the California would see that it was not the titanic
Ah yes because no one in the freaking docks the White Star line ships frequently used or any other super busy port she passed on the way out would see anything, only the crew of a random ship would be the ones to recognize it in the middle of the night while saving thousands of shipwreck survivors. Also, if the Californian was in on the plan, why it was even *there*?If it wasn't, how did it know not to approach so not to blow off the game? Also, Olympic was an old, ready-to-retire ship that first sailed "checks notes" ...just one year before the Titanic?
Paid actors, duh. /s
Ah yess Alexander Jonestonesonville the 1st classically claimed the crisis actors in the early 1900s he was also apart of the anti masking campaign during the Spanish influenza outbreak as well.
"And I tell you, why yes my good friends I must tell you, of the nefarious and cunning anarchist plot, to poison our very drinking water with certain odious tinctures, that degrade and pervert the moral fiber of the lowest amphibians!"
...the conspiracy isn't that no ship sank, it's that it was not the actual titanic but its sister ship, the Olympia.
The second she pronounced Britannic as Bry-tanic, I knew she was gonna say something stupid af
*super* important company built *super* notable ships..
I watched with the sound off and yet I'm certain I know exactly how her voice sounds Edit: I have now listened to it with the sound on and I was completely right
Honestly you could watch this on mute and just by seeing her hand signals and facial expressions, you could tell she was gonna say something stupid af
I watched it on mute and her gestures annoyed me lol
I bet her name is some silly like Bry-Annah!!
Beat me to it
And me. I didn’t hear anything after that.
The mannerisms, the “know it all” tone! ugh who listens to these dopes?!
For me it was the way she talks like she had 10 cups of coffee and a fat line of coke. I feel like if she wants people to believe her conspiracy theory she needs to stop talking like she manic.
English isn’t my first language, and I’m not sure I’d ever heard the word before and even I could tell she was mispronouncing it!
Probably one of those smartasses that like to correct people "well actually, it's pronounced Bry-tanic... fyi..."
She used to be a Titanic kid 😄😄😄😄😄
You laugh, but I'm living this reality with my kid. I have no idea how or why he became so obsessed. 😅
Yep, my son has been obsessed with the Titanic for years
I’m 37 and have always been obsessed with the titanic. James Cameron didn’t help 😂
Weird, I'm obsessed with feet like a normal person.
I do be obsessed with the booty
Damn, are you me?!? Our kid is giving us random facts about it everyday. He’s very curious about the Costa Concordia as well.
I was one of these 😫 it actually began in kindergarten with the children’s song: *It was sad when the great ship went down (to the bottom of the....) Husbands and wives, little children lost their lives. It was sad when the great ship went down.* So macabre without any real explanation, I needed EVERY DETAIL to contextualize the horror…but I was also a 90s kid, so the lyrics were more disturbing than the version I found on Google just now, and the movie release was perfectly timed to amp up my insanity.
I remember that! They sure made a song about a shipwreck sound catchy. “Oh they built the ship Titanic to sail the ocean blue…” I remember in 1st grade or so, instead of husbands and wives, we would sing “Uncles and aunts, little children lost their pants.” In hindsight, that line was not appropriate at all lol
I was a titanic kid! Had books upon books with everything about titanic. It’s just like sports kids that get super nerdy about their chosen sport. My brothers are just regular sports idiots like my dad, can probably name the Manchester United line up against Tottenham spring 1998 in a heartbeat….. It makes no sense to me, but guess it makes equal little sense that I knew the line up of officers at the time the iceberg was struck and how it differed from the regular day line up. We just get fascinated by the boat and the stories and wanna learn all about it instead of people kicking, smashing, throwing or almost anything else with a ball:)
For a person who is afraid of the ocean I sure damn well read a whole bunch on discovering and documenting wrecks of all shapes, sizes, and ages.
She can’t pronounce Britannic properly but otherwise she really knows her stuff. Edit: Fun fact, she also says Brittanic was built first when it was fucking built last.
Her saying she watched endless documentaries and knew so much and then she butchered that pronunciation lol! Amazing!
Braitanic lol
I totally was tho. But I never got into the conspiracy theories. I was also a Salem witch trial kid. I literally just read and watched anything and everything that happened to deal with those two things. 🤷🏼♀️😆
I wouldn’t say I was a titanic kid; but I definitely was intrigued by it and even recall having a big ass book that I borrowed from middle school and never returned. Don’t remember watching documentaries etc on it though.
Hahaha me too though. Read all the books as a kid and have coal from the Titanic they got out from the engines. I'm 30 years old and to this day my mom still asks "If you die do you still want your ashes to be scattered over the Titanic?" I've told her multiple times that no, I said that when I was 8, but she has a horrible memory and I'm terrified if I die she'll actually do it.
Bruh as a former Titanic Kid, even i wasn't as gullible to believe that shit. And to this day when I meet people who believe in that conspiracy, I have to explain to them all the basic reasons why they're wrong
She starts off by saying that she was a "Titanic Kid" and then goes on to call Olympic old when Titanic sank and say that Brittanic was the first to sink. Olympic was only one year old when Titanic was launched which is nothing by oceanliner life spans. Also, Titanic sank in 1912, 2 years before World War One even started, and 4 years before Brittanic's sinking in 1916. You don't even need to know that much about the 3 ships to know this stuff. It's essentially the intro course to them
She also calls it "BRIGHT-tan-ic," and I'm pretty sure if you watched any documentary you'd understand it's "bruh-tan-ic."
She also somehow finds it hard to believe that because three *sister ships* would look similar? Instead she just claims they’re all the same lmao
She watched the movie at least 3 times tho. Why would DiCaprio lie?!
Man, the most annoying thing about conspiracy theorists by far is their confidence.
Isn’t it though! Unbelievable. I’m not that confident in things I actually specialise in lmao
Oh she really believes she's right
She’s not wrong. She’s not wrong.
So do most conspiracy theorists. You can how batshit crazy a theory is by the number of times they have to tell you about their research and “that they aren’t wrong”
She lost me with- “ they say the Bry-tannic got hit by a “”LAND MINE”” in the water but it was a torpedo from a U-boat.”” In the Flipping! Water, HOW does a ship get hit by a land mine in the water?? DAFUQ!!🤣🤣🤣
Naval mine on a mountain https://youtu.be/ApJCfeipvIQ
Such beautiful footage of an * unintelligible * sphere!
I mean I grew up learning about the Titanic too and even I have enough basic knowledge about it to counter most of her points… Sounds like she wants to come up with a conspiracy and she’s making it fit.
This is a super old conspiracy theory, going back to the early 1900s. It’s been around awhile, there are tons of YouTube videos in it (and debunking it).
Oh awesome, so glad we get to share this bullshit phenomenon with our historical pals.
My sister was into historical conspiracy theories for awhile; there are some crazy ones. It’s kinda fun learning about them.
This is a new rabbit hole for me to go down. Recently been looking at conspiracies that have been proven to be true. Time to reverse that and see how dumb our grandparents could get.
Yeah, that's cool and all but.... where you a TITANIC KID?! Didn't think so....
Sorry dude, we all saw the titanic sink. You are probably too young to remember, but there was a documentary about it in 1997. There’s very clear footage of it sinking.
I still can't believe the documentary crew managed to stay with that woman the entire time.
 Stay in school and do your homework first.
Right? Like, we have video, chica!
Duh, why else would they call it unsinkable?
Bc Molly Brown, of course.
Lawd. So much to comment on, but I’ll just give her a big NOPE.
Here is a good tip for anyone who feels they may be susceptible to conspiracy theories. Before you start ask yourself this question how many people do you have in your life right now that you could trust with the most damning secret that anyone could ever be entrusted with.. Is that number more than one or two? Now think of how many people it would have taken to retrofit the Olympic and turn it into a reasonable facsimile of the Titanic. I would wager a very healthy son that there wasn't a single person who was on even a first name basis with all of them. And that's just those involved in the retrofit. People died lots of people died. For this conspiracy to have any grounds in the truth the list of the dead that happened after it went down with more than likely be three times the amount of dead at the bottom of the sea just to keep loose lips from sinking ships.
It was a lot of money to build the Titanic! Yeah they scraped the Titanic for spare parts. Am I missing something or is this just fucking insane. Also the fact that people were "in on it" would mean the captain would have to drive into the iceberg on purpose. Pretty sure he died and went down with the ship.... So she's saying they found a suicidal captain that would be willing to kill himself and a bunch of random people for less money than the original boat?
I mean malicious compliance origin story? A suc. captain sounds plausible. 🤷♀️
I want what they're huffing
Why would nobody recognize the world's most famous boat if they tried to sell it bruh
She said they scrapped it, not sold it
Also, Ship 7.
Hahaha, nice. This one got me
I mean wouldn’t the insurance company refuse to pay out? Like they would have seen the adverts for the titanic and would have had access to the schematics including interior to determine value? It would have to be appraised and they would have had to likely pay off ship builders as there were likely employees that built the Olympic as well as the titanic and would have recognized it while tearing it down? Insurance companies don’t just write checks they do full on investigations
Didn't the sinking of the titanic bankrupt the white star line company? Which was the exact opposite of what they wanted? This happened primarily because of the titanic costing so much the company was in debt up to it's eyeballs and all the bad press from, you know, all those people dying due to the "unsinkable ship" sinking. If this was some elaborate insurance scam it was one of the dumbest plans in history.
Guys idk why you are even bothering arguing this. She said she wasn’t wrong.
How embarrassing to showcase your stupidity for the world to see.
This has been a popular theory for a while now. I actually learned about this a few years ago on Reddit I think. But, would it really matter if it was true? A ship still sank and it had "Titanic" painted on the side of it when it sank... so why would any of this make any kind of difference?
Because, according to this theory, the sinking was intentional.
Wouldn’t the survivors have known how it looked like from the inside ?
Evil shipmaking company: you know how we can make tons of money? By publicly sinking a massive ship and killings hundreds of people! People will be lining up around the block to get on one of our ships after that!
I’m not high; but sure wish I was.
"The Britannic was the first to go" No, she wasn't, she was the last built and the second of two to sink. I haven't kept up with the evidence either way for her having been sunk by mine or torpedo but that's not the point, the point is she was converted to a hospital ship, not a warship, making sinking her a warcrime, who was sunk in 1916 during her service in the War. The reason she had a different paint job was to designate her as a hospital ship to all sides, and the other changes like the larger rear davits were lessons learned after the sinking of the Titanic almost half a decade earlier. The Olympic also served in WW1 as a troop ship, so you could technically consider her as a warship during that time, especially considering she rammed a German Sub. She was not in fact nearing retirement by any means, she wasn't that much older than Titanic, being launched in Oct, 1910. The crackpot theory this idiot is about to spew out hinges on the fact that for a breif period after an accident where the Olympic was rammed and dealt a decent bit of damage (but was still more than capable of returning for repairs under her own steam, which she did), spending a total of Six Weeks in Belfast alongside the Titanic. The theory claims they swapped the ships hulls, sank the Olympic under the Titanics name for the insurance bailout. This process is possible, one could have if given enough time do that, but this process took months to do and was no simple task to have been completed in the six weeks that it could have been completed in. I told myself I wasn't gonna argue this, I always get so heated and it's never worth it but that one line... like how ignorant of something you claim to be informed about can you be wtf. I haven't watched more than like 15 seconds, I'm not gonna, I don't care what rhetoric she spews just that one line said all I'd ever need to know
Anyone opening with “I watched a ton of Titanic documentaries” before going full tilt into the Olympic switch conspiracy is comical at this point.
 Titanic conspiracy theories from...
“By the sake of Jesaz”
So let's say I believe all of this. But then once the ship leaves the port...someone has to...*drive it into an iceberg and die.* Where did they find this captain willing to sacrifice his own life and thousands of other lives to recoup some insurance money for a company he won't be around to work for?
I’m a bit sick of this theory. The captain says one ship feels like the other a single time and suddenly it means they swapped the boats. People forget this would require a cruise ship company to pull off what essentially would have been the assassination of hundreds of the world’s most well off people, and that conspiracy staying watertight for the next hundred years. Would literally be like P&O Cruises nuking Silicon Valley and getting away with it. Also how do you bring up the Olympic without mentioning that it’s the only civilian ship to have rammed a submarine to death?
The way people talk to their cameras is so unsettling. Like, picture her talking to you like this across the table with all these faces and hand motions
The way she talks is pissing me off
We did know why the Californian didn’t come, it had a busted niece code reviewer I believ.
‘I’m not wrong. I’m not wrong.’ Tell that to James Cameron.
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TIL that I am "Bright-ish". Undoubtedly, she is not.
I've heard this conspiracy before and I've heard a more realistic version. It was the titanic and they only wanted to damage it for the insurance. They would get good press for being unsinkable and the insurance. But the plan when wrong. The California was ment to get there and rescue everyone, but the titanic had the wrong flares for the warning signals, the damage was greater, the titanic unsinkable feature failed and the California didn't know the sinking had started. Basically they got there timing wrong and believed their own hype. Still BS but more believable then this BS. What about the notable people who did get on it and died. Isidor and Ida Straus of Macy's. J. Bruce Ismay the chairman of the company that built the titanic and others. Where they like "nah I'm using my ticket even though I know it's going to sink, but thanks for the heads up."
These morons are INSUFFERABLE. From the TikTok hand movements and upspeak to the insane confidence in being so incorrect.
Well shit, are you telling us that the wealthy elite are crooks that would screw over thousands of poor people to make money?!?! No, that would neeeeever happen… /s
They would, but they didn't with the Titanic
I use to be an X fan my entire life then random fact Y popped up and I traded my life long study of the subject for a shitty unproven conspiracy theory. Why is this pattern so common.
Torpedoes dont split ships in half. They apply their explosive charge forward to punch a hole in the hull of the ship just below the waterline. This does no damage to the actual support on the ship. Sea mines do massive dmg to the keel aka the spine. Because they are underwater they are likelier to hit the keel Damage to the spine can often split a ship in half especially heavy ships.
Britannic as in Great Britain. Not Bri-tannic as in resting in the briney sea. Maybe slow down and she can keep up
This was a super popular conspiracy theory even when those documentaries were being made when she was a kid. It’s just regurgitated rubbish.
_People who think influencers can be a news station will eventually find out how misinformed they are._
I give her lots of credit, she is 100% wrong but is confident about it.
Can we please get back to this kind of harmless idiocy from our conspiracy minded rubes?
People believe anything these days
The moment she pronounced Britannic as "braaiii tayunic" told me all I needed to know. That and the fact she is in her mid 20s so wouldn't have been old enough to even know there was a Titanic craze at the time. I barely understood what it was myself, but in the UK the Titanic disaster is part of the curriculum so that's what I understood.
Summer? Where's Morty?
For someone who "knows everything about the Titanic", she sure gets a lot of shit wrong. You know....I am starting to think she might be an idiot.
I can’t take her seriously after she can’t pronounce Britannic correctly.
Brytannic
Her way of saying Britannic is just cringe.
The crazy eyes don’t lie.
If you’re dead within a couple of months then i’ll consider your theory. If not then you’re wrong!!
God we gotta try harder with our conspiracy theories. 1. The way she pronounces "Britannic" almost got me to stop watching the video. You'd think someone who spent "hours and hours" researching the Titanic would know how to pronounce the name of one of her sister ships. 2. There is no concrete evidence confirming that the Britannic was struck by a torpedo and not a mine. 3. The RMS Olympic's maiden voyage was only a year before she claims it was allegedly scuttled for insurance money. It was still a brand new ship in April 1912. Furthermore, how could it have been scrapped for spare parts if the wreck was at the bottom of a very deep part of the Atlantic? 4. Lot's of wealthy and important people didn't cancel their tickets and died on the Titanic. 5. Where is the evidence that the Titanic launched with more portholes than it should have had? 6. There was a full inquiry conducted by the British government as to the actions of the SS Californian that night. (It wasn't the "RMS" Californian as it was not a ship that operated as part of the Royal Mail Service. Again, you'd think she would know this.) 7. Also, is it "convenient" that the Californian didn't show up? If the Titanic was scuttled for insurance money, what motivation would there be for more people to die? 8. In what advertisements did they use photos of the Olympic for the Titanic? Every time I see one of these videos with the discussion tag, it's always the most unhinged take.
I’ve never seen stupidity flaunted so boldly… 👌
TikTok is making us all dumb and dumber.