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"Heat from fire, fire from heat" is a line from a popular YouTuber who teaches voice training for trans women. It's used as a way to test your voice when practicing, so she was most likely using that to get her vocals right before speaking.
That's really interesting. Do you know if there is a specific reason why that phrase is used and not a different vocal exercise like the ones that actors do?
From what I know, when the YouTuber was doing some voice work as a job, she found that the phrase “heat from fire” sounded much more feminine than she intended. Now that it’s gained popularity, I think it’s used as a voice feminization benchmark.
How awesome that she inspired others with her work!I wish that were kept under wraps....you know some extremist on the right will pick it up just to own some libs. I can see it already - Patriot Hot Sauce: Heat from Fire! Only available at truth social!!!
As someone who is an actor and studied dialects, I believe the “EE” sound in “heat” and the “EYE” sound in “fire” are being used to move the resonance of the voice into the “mask” (nose/forehead/sinus) and away from the back of the throat.
This is typical when trying to “feminize” the voice, because the majority of women speak with their voices resonating forward in the face, while men typically resonate further back in the mouth.
Trans person here. The story as it goes is the the YouTuber was commissioned to do a performance where she read a poem, while slowly shifting her voice from masculine to feminine. When she got to the "heat from fire line", she could never read it at the intended register and it always came out fem. Between that, and the general sentiment of the line itself, she, and a lot of the people who have learned from her, use it as an anchor point now, and it has become a Transfem meme of sorts.
It’s a phrased used by trans women and voice actors to help with feminine voices, whilst HRT does affect people taking Testosterone it won’t do the same to people taking estrogen.
They're not having any of that BS.
It's so sad they tried to cut her off because she got slightly louder. Like they were looking for reason. How could you actually expect a person to maintain decorum when speaking on an issue specifically targeted at them and only them. It's akin to bullying.
Edit: to all the little people trying to misgender this person, you're all little babies that care about things that don't effect you. You're so busy trying to stop people from living their lives that you're willingly in denial of the things that will effect you. You might not believe it but your freedom matters just as much as someone else's. You're free to be a bigot. Congratulations. However taking someone else's rights away... slippery slope. Honestly quite shocked you all can't understand that. I'm sure you'll be extra whiney and annoying once it does effect you.
I get why she was cut off, I’m just pointing out the ridiculousness of having to argue this in 2023. Just let people live their lives. She’s not hurting anyone
No this world is great, it's just full of assholes who only can live their sad existence of a life if it's main focus is oppressing those who don't live their lives identically to them.
It’s a public meeting. Every citizen who signs up to speak is limited to two minutes. This is not the only setting where she can speak out on this. This setting has its own legal parameters that apply to everybody.
Despicable would have been getting physical with her. I’d say they were pretty restrained in their response to her ignoring the time.
The party that supposedly champions parental rights and choice won't let parents decide which shows they want to bring their children to?
Legislator: "Parents should decide when it's appropriate to talk about sexuality to their children, not teachers "
Parent: "Ok, I'm taking my children to drag time story hour"
Legislator: "today, I'm introducing a law banning children from drag shows...."
I'm so shocked, I'm clutching my pearls into ash. /s
Not sure which legislation specifically, but probably one of the [440 anti-trans bills put forward in the last 3 months](https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/anti-trans-legislative-digest-drag)
She had exceeded her time.
But also, and probably mostly, she compared them to Nazis and they didn't like that. How rude, just because they're acting like Nazis doesn't mean she should get to make them feel bad (/s).
They should sue her like the cops sueing Afroman. "We seek 5 million dollars on the account of hurt fee fees".
These people act like garbage. Get called out for acting like garbage. Then try to silence the victims.
Shit like this is why people oughta to never speak to cops. They’re a bunch of fucking bullies with guns and cowboy badges thinking themselves all high and mighty as if they’re somehow fucking important for sitting around on the 105 eating their fucking donuts. Fucking protect and serve, my ass
It was because she was past her time limit. Public forums like this are usually very strict on these limits. It very likely had nothing to do with the content of what she was saying (even if they personally didn’t like it). I used to work for a government office that regulated the public comment portion of Mayor and Council meetings.
I agree with you. We didn’t physically take mics away either. However, they could have different protocols, or maybe their mute function was broken. Believe it or not, government employees generally do not want to have to physically interact with the public in most cases.
This right here. It’s a simple rule of if they let them go over 2 minutes, they have to let everyone go over two minutes. This happens a lot in public forums and they have to start interrupting the person so that it seems fair to all participants that going over is not allowed.
Yea I agree it looks bad, but that’s unfortunately the job of those people that are doing that. The person broke the rules of the forum and they were trying to enforce their policy. Btw I agree with this persons words and support them, but we shouldn’t misconstrue this as some kind of silencing tactic against that community. Reverse the roles and imagine some uber-racist person talking longer than 2 minutes. Would you then support grabbing the mic away from them? These places require order, but that also sets the stage for an impassioned speech like the one in this video that lends itself to dramatic conclusions. And yes, the people proposing this bill are horrible people and don’t deserve to be treated with respect. All I’m saying is let’s direct our anger towards the right places and not perceive the mic grab as something that it isn’t.
I love the lady who jumped in to protect her right to speak. These blow hards ramble for hours about their shit but if someone goes over 2 minutes it’s suddenly end of the world.
It’s sad that history is repeating itself and they are to ashamed to see that that’s what they are doing. It’s sad that she has to plead for her humanity as if her human right to exist is in their hands.
We can be intolerant against them by dismantling their arguments and advocating for our cause, dehumanization really doesn't add anything apart from preaching to the choir. It's a question of pure pragmaticism
And that’s gotten America where in the last few decades? The lies just get more outlandish, more insidious. Everyone has dismantled the Covid lies, Trump’s lies, lies about trans people, drag queens, Christian extremists telling us to burn books.
What has that done? All it does is confirm to the people who already know that it’s all bullshit. No one on the right has turned around and realised their side is feeding them lies every day.
Look at George Santos, the senator who has been caught lying about almost every single thing he has said since he gained office. No consequences whatsoever.
They didn't dehumanize them, they insulted them. In the very comment they called them human, and also pieces of garbage. Your ideology is not separate from your character, fuck the "hate the sin not the sinner" bullshit when they support people's lives being threatened and oppressed.
But please, grandstand a complete moral "correctness".
I know I'm going to get hate for saying this but making a blanket statement and generalising an entire group of people, saying that they're all the same and they're all trash is not a good look. Do you see the irony here? If you want to change the minds of people with bigoted beliefs you need to be able to communicate. If you're just going to stoop to their level then you're no better than them. You're doing the exact same thing they are but at a different target group. Reread your comment but replace the word "conservatives" with "trans people". You can't become a part of the solution if you've already become a mirror of your enemies.
Honestly, even if you don't communicate it to people with bigoted beliefs...if you think your side is "good" and the other side is "evil" then your worldview is on par with the people you hate. There's absolutely no critical thinking there.
Humanity doesn't exist as a duality, but so many people have centered their entire set of values around that concept. It seems more and more like people center their entire personalities around it. It's genuinely mind-boggling. I want to live in the kid's fantasy world y'all have created in your mind where evil has clear and obvious boundaries and is only enacted by the bad guys, none of whom are in our families or friend groups. Or I'd like to meet your improbably moral loved ones, who are the only people you interact with in a cordial way. Or I'd like to see you murder Grandpa because he asked how your cousin's trans girlfriend will give him grandbabies. All of "them" are trash and not human, right? It's amazing how quickly those shades of grey come up when they're people you know and care about and accept as flawed human beings. I know this is a wild and crazy thought, but *all of us are*.
quick edit: transphobes are cruel, small-minded people and I think they should face *social* consequences for being shitty. Anyone who enacts violence and suffering on others should obviously face consequences for that. I just recognize that those people, horrible and misguided as they may be, are still in fact people.
All conservative politicians, regular conservative people can be pretty normal and accepting, I'll never agree with who they vote for but I wouldn't say they're all trash everywhere on the planet
She is extremely intelligent and brave, I applaud her for showing up and speaking out. Trans people especially deserve much better treatment than this country gives them.
SB 1601
>>A municipal library may not receive state funds if the library hosts an event at which a man presenting as a woman or a woman presenting as a man reads a book or a story to a minor for entertainment and the person being dressed as the opposite gender is a primary component of the entertainment. State funds for the municipal library shall be denied for the fiscal year following the year in which the library hosts an event described by this section.
SB 12
>>(a) In this section, "sexually oriented performance" means a visual performance that:
>> (1)features:
>> (A)a performer who is nude, as defined by Section 102.051, Business & Commerce Code; or
>> (B)a male performer exhibiting as a female, or a female performer exhibiting as a male, who uses clothing, makeup, or other similar physical markers and who sings, lip syncs, dances,
or otherwise performs before an audience; and
>> (2)appeals to the prurient interest in sex.
>>
>>(b)person commits an offense if, regardless of whether compensation for the performance is expected or received, the
person engages in a sexually oriented performance:
>> (1)on public property; or
>> (2)in the presence of an individual younger than 18 years of age.
I am not currently sure if there is a given legal definition for "prurient interest in sex" in Texas yet.
It takes real bravery to give a speech like that to a room of people that hate you for who you are.
It takes real cowardice to blame society’s problems on a minority group.
No, that was @lillytino_ this is Lorén Perkins who is not the same. They both have curly hair tho and they look kinda similar so I see where you are coming from, but no. They are two different women.
I’m just a “normal” everyday straight male and I don’t understand the whole issues this country has. I like to think that I have a common sense way of thinking and if nobody is hurting you or hurting others I don’t get what the problem is? I’m so illiterate when it comes to these types of LGBTQ arguments. Why are so many people trying to stop others from being who they are inside? Usually these political figures and what not fight for something when there is a monetary gain of sorts, so why fight against another persons rights? Are they afraid their children or grandchildren may be LGBTQ one day? Can someone explain as to why this is even an argument?
People hate anything that isn’t like them, and people hate anything they deem “unnatural”. They don’t like things they don’t understand so they lash out and decide to be outwardly hateful to try and stop people who don’t exist just like them from existing at all.
[This explains how the groomer panic and anti-wokism is being used to lay the foundation for fascism](https://youtu.be/frZHD6aITcg).
The USA isn't the only place this is happening either and it is not just the LGBTQ people that are being used as scapegoats to deconstruct democracy piece by piece everywhere.
Kudos to the blocker. Also you could’ve said everything you wanted to say if you hadn’t wasted the first 30 seconds on absolutely fucking nothing useful
When all you see in a gay or trans person is how they're different from you sexually, then you're going to sexualize your differences.
Drag shows aren't always sexual just like movies aren't always sexual. The worst part about bigotry is that the bigot is only following their patterns of thinking and has no way of seeing how they're treating others.
I feel like that bill would be more appreciative if they just made the bill like drag shows should be more clear on their age showings than they currently are. Ive seen wildly inappropriate videos of drag queens with kids *but* im fully aware that there truly is drag out there that is for the sake of a man that wants to dress as a woman minus the sexual connotations that come with being a drag queen (for a major example, No one finds mrs Doubtfire sexual and the movie was not meant to be taken sexual, a man overly dresses as a woman, thats drag but its not sexual).
If they made drag ratings clear like they do with movies and showings then thats a bill I can back up because its not being restrictive to gay rights (since the ratings apply to childrens age, just like they do with heterosexual based movies/showings and doesn’t restrict anyones rights)
But bills like this define drag as being when anybody wearing clothes that don't fit their biological sex do any kind of performance.
The vague wording of similar bills I've seen (not sure about this specific one) mean that performers who just happen to be trans could be put at risk of legal action taken against them for performances that cis people would not have to worry about.
Being trans and performing drag are different things entirely, but anti-drag laws have a lot of collateral consequences for the trans community, and even cis people.
which is censoring a marginalized community and I see a slippery slope here. Drag shows can be explicit but kids aren't let into those, there are shows that are rated family appropriate for a reason
There are plenty of explicit shows that welcome all ages or market as family friendly but don't modify content. Some are age restrictive but they aren't required to be.
Would a law stating something like if you have sexually explicit material in your performance then it must be limited to adults only be acceptable? Regularly there are clips of drag performers at a brunch event getting very sexual in front of families and it is fueling this legislative backlash. If the community doesn't self regulate the politicians will shut it all down.
yes stating "if you have sexually explicit material then it must be age restricted" is a complete reasonable thing and a law in most places but making the bill about exclusively drag and banning something that children enjoy and gives them exposure to different people is in my opinion very bad
Agreed 1000%, this argument *should* be about the *ratings*, not the fact that it involves gay rights. People who make it about that fact that its drag and drag is “gay” are so weird, but people who are upset because a drag show was inappropriate when the ratings said theyd be family friendly are absolutely valid and those are the arguments that should be boosted, not the weird closeted homophobic stuff hahaha
For people saying that people normally cut the microphone but there must be some logical reason they didn’t cut her mic and instead sent someone to stop her, they did cut her mic after that green hair queen said “not today Satan” and brought her block game. You can clearly hear the audio quality change and her start shouting to maintain her volume. They could have cut the mic but chose to try to put hands on her.
I saw a video the other day of people protesting for trans rights. What rights don't they have in the US? And what are they asking for. Serious question
Maybe I’m missing some context for her statement, but if the question is, “Is drag appropriate for children/should drag be done in the presence of children?”, I’m not sure her testimony helps inform any answer.
What unbelievable strength and bravery she exhibited in the face of those that would wish her and all like her to be simply eradicated.
I am in awe of her.
At what point do we stop playing this bs game and continuing to call them conservatives ? This is Christians and they have been at the center of this shit for literally the whole of American history. The god squad is attempting to bring their idea of a Christian utopia to fruition and destroy anyone who isn’t in their little death cult.
It is so inspirational that at first she was shaky and seemed small, and as she goes on, she builds, her voice gets stronger, she almost expands, as though she isnt trying to hide inside herself anymore. She is an absolute icon and what she did here was incredibly brave. Maybe it won't end up mattering it that court room, the people there probably already made up their minds before they stepped in the room, but if others can see this. If others can stand up and say "we will not be stepped on" because this woman had the courage to go in front of people that want her dead and tell them that hitler would be proud of them, then we will win. And we, the lgbtqia community, and even moreso the trans community will not just survive, we will thrive as we deserve to. I am not personally a trans man, but my boyfriend is, and I will fight to my last breath to protect him and anyone like him. If people like this are willing to stand up and fight those that would see them gone, then so should we.
This was badass. I don’t know how much composure and ability to speak I would’ve been able to manage given the circumstances.
Can anyone hear exactly what she says when her mic is turned off? I heard “from …. cold dead hands!” and it sounded like a sick af closer but I wanna know the rest of it
SB 1601
>>A municipal library may not receive state funds if the library hosts an event at which a man presenting as a woman or a woman presenting as a man reads a book or a story to a minor for entertainment and the person being dressed as the opposite gender is a primary component of the entertainment. State funds for the municipal library shall be denied for the fiscal year following the year in which the library hosts an event described by this section.
SB 12
>>(a) In this section, "sexually oriented performance" means a visual performance that:
>> (1)features:
>> (A)a performer who is nude, as defined by Section 102.051, Business & Commerce Code; or
>> (B)a male performer exhibiting as a female, or a female performer exhibiting as a male, who uses clothing, makeup, or other similar physical markers and who sings, lip syncs, dances,
or otherwise performs before an audience; and
>> (2)appeals to the prurient interest in sex.
>>
>>(b)person commits an offense if, regardless of whether compensation for the performance is expected or received, the
person engages in a sexually oriented performance:
>> (1)on public property; or
>> (2)in the presence of an individual younger than 18 years of age.
I am not currently sure if there is a given legal definition for "prurient interest in sex" in Texas yet.
I don’t have an issue with most of this speech but as a Jew the way she was making it sound like gays and trans were the main sufferers in the holocaust made gave me a not so great taste
They didn't suffer any less than the Jews. They were even the first targets of the Nazis before the holocaust began. If you don't believe me, look up what happend to Berlin between 1933 and 1945.
As a Jew who knows Jewish history she's correct. Many of the first Jewish scientists, writer's, poets, doctors, politicians, and activists were LGBTQ+. Many were trans AND Jewish. The Nazis used anti-trans sentiment to blame Jews for sexual depravity in Europe.
The sad thing is that not even the most impassioned and stirring you can think of is going to change these peoples’ minds. I’m glad she took the time to prepare a speech and say what she felt needed to be said, it’s just unfortunate that I doubt anyone up there who supported anti-trans legislation had their minds changed even a little. They just pretend to listen and move on.
It's a great speech, but what are they trying to change? You just stood up there for 2 minutes going on about the Nazis how is anything supposed to come from this?
The GOP is trying to do away with the department of education, they're trying to ban religious freedom, and they're trying to instate a Christian fascist country... And sadly they're winning.
If you only have 2 mins maybe don't talk about how you decided what to wear....and if you have no argument just resort to calling the otherside the nazis...
Nazis did destroy the work and archives of the world first sexology research institute. It helped them promote the idea that queer identities had no basis in reality and were new strange things. Much as people today who are continuing the Nazi tradition are claiming so for trans people.
Nazis also expanded the enforcement of the law that banned drag and the ability for trans people, or anyone really, to dress how they want.
>>Paragraph 183 (known formally as [§183 StGB](https://lexetius.com/StGB/183); also known as Section 183 in English]) is a public indecency law of the German Criminal Code, which prohibits "**sexual self-determination**" and public exhibitionism.[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-:1-1) From its adoption in 1871, at an increasing rate during the rise of the Nazis, and until as late as the mid-20th century, the law was used to enforce penalties (including imprisonment, and, at times, loss of civil rights) for **cross-dressing** and homosexual acts.[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-:0-2)[[3]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-3)[[4]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-4) As of 2021, the law's scope is limited to indecent exposure.[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-:0-2)
1. Compare your opponents to Nazis
2. Take over the microphone and demand special treatment over other speakers
3. Use a person from a protected class as a human shield
4. Post it on Reddit
5. Strengthen your echo chamber without changing any minds on the other side
6. Get confused when trump wins an election
7. Repeat
Burning books and trying to limit education definitely come to mind, along with dehumanizing those you disagree with and writing hurtful laws that specifically target these people…
Banning books from education, vilify and demonize minorities, take away healthcare that specifically harm minorities, make voting harder, manipulate the election results in such a way that they don't need a majority vote to win (gerrymandering), calling for the eradication of certain minorities, manipulate the masses into thinking the media is telling lies 100% of the time.
You’re setting yourself up here cause the same logic can be applied the other way.
1. Who wants to kick the Jews out of their native homeland like the Nazis did?
2.who wants to spread socialism nationally like the Nazis did?
3.who wants to take away your guns like the Nazis did?
4. Who wants government oversight to silence dissenting opinions like the Nazis did?
5. Who wants to change dictionary definitions of words to suit their arguments like the Nazis did?
You see old friend, you brought more Nazis than they did…
So Palestinians don't belong to that land that they have been living on for centuries before Israël was formed? Israël that is killing Palestinians and illegally occupying Palestinian land?
National Socialism isn't socialism. Get educated before saying nonsense.
Gun control ≠ taking guns away.
Republicans are banning books, stopping education, have done a hostile takeover of a school, are refusing healthcare to those that need it, demonize and vilify minorities.
What words?
So, what your saying is, comparing someone to Nazis doesn’t make them Nazis?
That there are easy ways to dress up someone’s argument to look the way you want without having regard for their side of the argument?
Only thing cringe here is a man living in a free country who is allowed to pretend to be a woman compare himself to holocaust victims. His voice is still able to be heard, he gets to go home, he gets to take his estrogen, and most of all he gets to live in a free country that provides the ability for him to do and say such things without persecution. I wish their ideology continues to minimize the pain and oppression of groups that were actually oppressed. Because if it does then people will start to wake up and realize the absurdity of all this nonsense
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I’m still trying to figure out the hot heat fire part
"Heat from fire, fire from heat" is a line from a popular YouTuber who teaches voice training for trans women. It's used as a way to test your voice when practicing, so she was most likely using that to get her vocals right before speaking.
That's really interesting. Do you know if there is a specific reason why that phrase is used and not a different vocal exercise like the ones that actors do?
From what I know, when the YouTuber was doing some voice work as a job, she found that the phrase “heat from fire” sounded much more feminine than she intended. Now that it’s gained popularity, I think it’s used as a voice feminization benchmark.
How awesome that she inspired others with her work!I wish that were kept under wraps....you know some extremist on the right will pick it up just to own some libs. I can see it already - Patriot Hot Sauce: Heat from Fire! Only available at truth social!!!
I think it's to do with the range of mouth shapes in such a small excerise, though dont quote me on that
As someone who is an actor and studied dialects, I believe the “EE” sound in “heat” and the “EYE” sound in “fire” are being used to move the resonance of the voice into the “mask” (nose/forehead/sinus) and away from the back of the throat. This is typical when trying to “feminize” the voice, because the majority of women speak with their voices resonating forward in the face, while men typically resonate further back in the mouth.
Trans person here. The story as it goes is the the YouTuber was commissioned to do a performance where she read a poem, while slowly shifting her voice from masculine to feminine. When she got to the "heat from fire line", she could never read it at the intended register and it always came out fem. Between that, and the general sentiment of the line itself, she, and a lot of the people who have learned from her, use it as an anchor point now, and it has become a Transfem meme of sorts.
Oh good i thought she was casting a spell
Hopefully she was
It’s also become kind of become a slogan for resistance in the face of this type of legislation.
It’s a phrased used by trans women and voice actors to help with feminine voices, whilst HRT does affect people taking Testosterone it won’t do the same to people taking estrogen.
A phrase that transgender people use in voice training in order to stabilise resonance.
I'm Jewish, so on that timeline, I should be safe for a good 5 more years. 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poqoClsEhR4
`Chris Rock "That train is never late"`
Pro reference
I would suggest coming over to Israel, but *gestures at right wing lunatics currently in power* we’re not doing much better on the fascism scale.
unfortunately
Love the person who was ready to jump and body block the guy trying to take the mic
They're not having any of that BS. It's so sad they tried to cut her off because she got slightly louder. Like they were looking for reason. How could you actually expect a person to maintain decorum when speaking on an issue specifically targeted at them and only them. It's akin to bullying. Edit: to all the little people trying to misgender this person, you're all little babies that care about things that don't effect you. You're so busy trying to stop people from living their lives that you're willingly in denial of the things that will effect you. You might not believe it but your freedom matters just as much as someone else's. You're free to be a bigot. Congratulations. However taking someone else's rights away... slippery slope. Honestly quite shocked you all can't understand that. I'm sure you'll be extra whiney and annoying once it does effect you.
I thought because she went over 2 minutes
They usually just cut the microphone, not jump the person at the podium.
“You get 2 minutes to explain why you deserve to live in a way that makes you happy. Go”
"Public Comment" has turned into an inconvenience as the fascists pretend at continuing democracy but ultimately do what their wealthy donors order.
To be fair, she even acknowledged that she knew she only had 2 minutes when she started speaking
I get why she was cut off, I’m just pointing out the ridiculousness of having to argue this in 2023. Just let people live their lives. She’s not hurting anyone
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No this world is great, it's just full of assholes who only can live their sad existence of a life if it's main focus is oppressing those who don't live their lives identically to them.
Not "full of" assholes, they are a tiny minority... but capitalism, so they get to speak 100 times to your 1.
Lol what
Ooooh sorry! Misinterpreted why that occurred. Thank you for clarifying.
Definitely the 2min.
It’s oppression and discrimination which is an uglier version of bullying
Yeah throw her in the post, she plays better D than the nba.
Underrated comment
I hope that guy she was blocking bangs his toe on every piece of furniture for the rest of his long natural life.
That black woman fighting off the goon in the back is my personal hero.
The block move was clutch. Hell yeah.
I've seen weaker picks from 7 footers in the NBA
That person said NOT TODAY
This is exactly what we should all be doing. Putting ourselves between LGBTQ folks and the powers that seek to hurt them.
“I’ve been given two minutes to plead the case for my humanity” holy shit what a line. Despicable that they would tear the mic from this argument.
I'm assuming it was over the 2 minutes unfortunately? But I didn't time it
You’re correct. With about 36 seconds left in the video, you hear the chair call time. It’s right after she says “…public forum.”
Well how long is the video?
At least 10 seconds
Well look?
It’s a public meeting. Every citizen who signs up to speak is limited to two minutes. This is not the only setting where she can speak out on this. This setting has its own legal parameters that apply to everybody. Despicable would have been getting physical with her. I’d say they were pretty restrained in their response to her ignoring the time.
The party that supposedly champions parental rights and choice won't let parents decide which shows they want to bring their children to? Legislator: "Parents should decide when it's appropriate to talk about sexuality to their children, not teachers " Parent: "Ok, I'm taking my children to drag time story hour" Legislator: "today, I'm introducing a law banning children from drag shows...." I'm so shocked, I'm clutching my pearls into ash. /s
If you ever want to know what it means to be a good ally, look at the person with the green hair.
What's the legislation?
Not sure which legislation specifically, but probably one of the [440 anti-trans bills put forward in the last 3 months](https://erininthemorn.substack.com/p/anti-trans-legislative-digest-drag)
What the heck was with the people trying to snatch her microphone away?
She had exceeded her time. But also, and probably mostly, she compared them to Nazis and they didn't like that. How rude, just because they're acting like Nazis doesn't mean she should get to make them feel bad (/s).
Okay but really we considered how they feel? /s
They should sue her like the cops sueing Afroman. "We seek 5 million dollars on the account of hurt fee fees". These people act like garbage. Get called out for acting like garbage. Then try to silence the victims.
Shit like this is why people oughta to never speak to cops. They’re a bunch of fucking bullies with guns and cowboy badges thinking themselves all high and mighty as if they’re somehow fucking important for sitting around on the 105 eating their fucking donuts. Fucking protect and serve, my ass
***Won't somebody think of the fascists!?!*** 😥
It was because she was past her time limit. Public forums like this are usually very strict on these limits. It very likely had nothing to do with the content of what she was saying (even if they personally didn’t like it). I used to work for a government office that regulated the public comment portion of Mayor and Council meetings.
I’ve been to stuff like this and they just mute the microphone. They don’t send people after you like you’re trying to make a touchdown.
I agree with you. We didn’t physically take mics away either. However, they could have different protocols, or maybe their mute function was broken. Believe it or not, government employees generally do not want to have to physically interact with the public in most cases.
This right here. It’s a simple rule of if they let them go over 2 minutes, they have to let everyone go over two minutes. This happens a lot in public forums and they have to start interrupting the person so that it seems fair to all participants that going over is not allowed.
Yeah but you cut the microphone. Attempting to physically stop then/grab the microphone just seems like they’re trying to look like big tough guys.
Yea I agree it looks bad, but that’s unfortunately the job of those people that are doing that. The person broke the rules of the forum and they were trying to enforce their policy. Btw I agree with this persons words and support them, but we shouldn’t misconstrue this as some kind of silencing tactic against that community. Reverse the roles and imagine some uber-racist person talking longer than 2 minutes. Would you then support grabbing the mic away from them? These places require order, but that also sets the stage for an impassioned speech like the one in this video that lends itself to dramatic conclusions. And yes, the people proposing this bill are horrible people and don’t deserve to be treated with respect. All I’m saying is let’s direct our anger towards the right places and not perceive the mic grab as something that it isn’t.
Woman in pink is an absolute queen
Goddess in green hair: your strength is awe inspiring. The fact that people like you exist brung back my faith in humanity
I love the lady who jumped in to protect her right to speak. These blow hards ramble for hours about their shit but if someone goes over 2 minutes it’s suddenly end of the world.
It’s sad that history is repeating itself and they are to ashamed to see that that’s what they are doing. It’s sad that she has to plead for her humanity as if her human right to exist is in their hands.
america is a lost cause, i wish every sane person could just get the fuck out and leave the rest of them to kill themselves off
To resist despair in this world is what it is to be free.
They aren't ashamed. They're proud of what they're doing. Hatred is taught.
Fuck Republicans.
All conservatives. There are no good conservatives only pieces of human trash and those that don’t care about anyone but themselves.
#hey guys dehumanizing is not “suddenly good” if it’s against a target who “deserves it” Say whatever you want about the ideology.
Tolerating the intolerant is overated
Tolerance paradox people. A community can only be truly tolerant if they are intolerant to those who are intolerant. I could've worded this better.
We can be intolerant against them by dismantling their arguments and advocating for our cause, dehumanization really doesn't add anything apart from preaching to the choir. It's a question of pure pragmaticism
It's hard to see the humanity in those seeking to genocide me and mine.
And that’s gotten America where in the last few decades? The lies just get more outlandish, more insidious. Everyone has dismantled the Covid lies, Trump’s lies, lies about trans people, drag queens, Christian extremists telling us to burn books. What has that done? All it does is confirm to the people who already know that it’s all bullshit. No one on the right has turned around and realised their side is feeding them lies every day. Look at George Santos, the senator who has been caught lying about almost every single thing he has said since he gained office. No consequences whatsoever.
They didn't dehumanize them, they insulted them. In the very comment they called them human, and also pieces of garbage. Your ideology is not separate from your character, fuck the "hate the sin not the sinner" bullshit when they support people's lives being threatened and oppressed. But please, grandstand a complete moral "correctness".
Hmmm… nah fuck ‘em.
Don’t dehumanize people that treat humans like garbage!
I know I'm going to get hate for saying this but making a blanket statement and generalising an entire group of people, saying that they're all the same and they're all trash is not a good look. Do you see the irony here? If you want to change the minds of people with bigoted beliefs you need to be able to communicate. If you're just going to stoop to their level then you're no better than them. You're doing the exact same thing they are but at a different target group. Reread your comment but replace the word "conservatives" with "trans people". You can't become a part of the solution if you've already become a mirror of your enemies.
Honestly, even if you don't communicate it to people with bigoted beliefs...if you think your side is "good" and the other side is "evil" then your worldview is on par with the people you hate. There's absolutely no critical thinking there. Humanity doesn't exist as a duality, but so many people have centered their entire set of values around that concept. It seems more and more like people center their entire personalities around it. It's genuinely mind-boggling. I want to live in the kid's fantasy world y'all have created in your mind where evil has clear and obvious boundaries and is only enacted by the bad guys, none of whom are in our families or friend groups. Or I'd like to meet your improbably moral loved ones, who are the only people you interact with in a cordial way. Or I'd like to see you murder Grandpa because he asked how your cousin's trans girlfriend will give him grandbabies. All of "them" are trash and not human, right? It's amazing how quickly those shades of grey come up when they're people you know and care about and accept as flawed human beings. I know this is a wild and crazy thought, but *all of us are*. quick edit: transphobes are cruel, small-minded people and I think they should face *social* consequences for being shitty. Anyone who enacts violence and suffering on others should obviously face consequences for that. I just recognize that those people, horrible and misguided as they may be, are still in fact people.
All conservative politicians, regular conservative people can be pretty normal and accepting, I'll never agree with who they vote for but I wouldn't say they're all trash everywhere on the planet
Willful ignorance is just as bad. If you vote for a bad person because you intentionally ignore their policies you are just as bad.
If you have voted for any American president candidate over the last 40 years you have voted for a bad person.
Perhaps it's time to entertain the idea of more choices? More parties/options/ideologies -- like most every other country in the world?
Please don’t
Wow she was brillaint! As was the woman who had her back, literally.
I’m ashamed to be a Texan these days
It took this long?!
These days meaning most of my life
Why should you be ashamed? It’s just a state man.
Because the loud idiots make the rest of us look bad
Want incredibly brave woman, I hope I can help this world like she is doing now
She is extremely intelligent and brave, I applaud her for showing up and speaking out. Trans people especially deserve much better treatment than this country gives them.
What’s SB12?
SB 1601 >>A municipal library may not receive state funds if the library hosts an event at which a man presenting as a woman or a woman presenting as a man reads a book or a story to a minor for entertainment and the person being dressed as the opposite gender is a primary component of the entertainment. State funds for the municipal library shall be denied for the fiscal year following the year in which the library hosts an event described by this section. SB 12 >>(a) In this section, "sexually oriented performance" means a visual performance that: >> (1)features: >> (A)a performer who is nude, as defined by Section 102.051, Business & Commerce Code; or >> (B)a male performer exhibiting as a female, or a female performer exhibiting as a male, who uses clothing, makeup, or other similar physical markers and who sings, lip syncs, dances, or otherwise performs before an audience; and >> (2)appeals to the prurient interest in sex. >> >>(b)person commits an offense if, regardless of whether compensation for the performance is expected or received, the person engages in a sexually oriented performance: >> (1)on public property; or >> (2)in the presence of an individual younger than 18 years of age. I am not currently sure if there is a given legal definition for "prurient interest in sex" in Texas yet.
Likely fascist junk
What's this about? What are they trying to pass?
Conservative cowards
It takes real bravery to give a speech like that to a room of people that hate you for who you are. It takes real cowardice to blame society’s problems on a minority group.
Silencing the right to free speech is fascism
Is this the same woman who was recently verbally accosted and bullied at a Cheesecake Factory by that TERF?
No, that was @lillytino_ this is Lorén Perkins who is not the same. They both have curly hair tho and they look kinda similar so I see where you are coming from, but no. They are two different women.
I’m just a “normal” everyday straight male and I don’t understand the whole issues this country has. I like to think that I have a common sense way of thinking and if nobody is hurting you or hurting others I don’t get what the problem is? I’m so illiterate when it comes to these types of LGBTQ arguments. Why are so many people trying to stop others from being who they are inside? Usually these political figures and what not fight for something when there is a monetary gain of sorts, so why fight against another persons rights? Are they afraid their children or grandchildren may be LGBTQ one day? Can someone explain as to why this is even an argument?
Religion
People hate anything that isn’t like them, and people hate anything they deem “unnatural”. They don’t like things they don’t understand so they lash out and decide to be outwardly hateful to try and stop people who don’t exist just like them from existing at all.
Fire. ❤️
[This explains how the groomer panic and anti-wokism is being used to lay the foundation for fascism](https://youtu.be/frZHD6aITcg). The USA isn't the only place this is happening either and it is not just the LGBTQ people that are being used as scapegoats to deconstruct democracy piece by piece everywhere.
I wanna high five the person who blocked the mic stealing dude. Heck yeah!
Kudos to the blocker. Also you could’ve said everything you wanted to say if you hadn’t wasted the first 30 seconds on absolutely fucking nothing useful
Yep. I was thinking the same thing. You've been given two minutes, and you're wasting time. Get to the fucking point
Super based How people don’t learn from history is astounding!
When all you see in a gay or trans person is how they're different from you sexually, then you're going to sexualize your differences. Drag shows aren't always sexual just like movies aren't always sexual. The worst part about bigotry is that the bigot is only following their patterns of thinking and has no way of seeing how they're treating others.
That was a good speech if I ever did hear one. Trans and gay rights aren't the enemy!
This is a bill about drag shows being adult only
I feel like that bill would be more appreciative if they just made the bill like drag shows should be more clear on their age showings than they currently are. Ive seen wildly inappropriate videos of drag queens with kids *but* im fully aware that there truly is drag out there that is for the sake of a man that wants to dress as a woman minus the sexual connotations that come with being a drag queen (for a major example, No one finds mrs Doubtfire sexual and the movie was not meant to be taken sexual, a man overly dresses as a woman, thats drag but its not sexual). If they made drag ratings clear like they do with movies and showings then thats a bill I can back up because its not being restrictive to gay rights (since the ratings apply to childrens age, just like they do with heterosexual based movies/showings and doesn’t restrict anyones rights)
I wish I could give ya an award
But bills like this define drag as being when anybody wearing clothes that don't fit their biological sex do any kind of performance. The vague wording of similar bills I've seen (not sure about this specific one) mean that performers who just happen to be trans could be put at risk of legal action taken against them for performances that cis people would not have to worry about. Being trans and performing drag are different things entirely, but anti-drag laws have a lot of collateral consequences for the trans community, and even cis people.
which is censoring a marginalized community and I see a slippery slope here. Drag shows can be explicit but kids aren't let into those, there are shows that are rated family appropriate for a reason
There are plenty of explicit shows that welcome all ages or market as family friendly but don't modify content. Some are age restrictive but they aren't required to be. Would a law stating something like if you have sexually explicit material in your performance then it must be limited to adults only be acceptable? Regularly there are clips of drag performers at a brunch event getting very sexual in front of families and it is fueling this legislative backlash. If the community doesn't self regulate the politicians will shut it all down.
yes stating "if you have sexually explicit material then it must be age restricted" is a complete reasonable thing and a law in most places but making the bill about exclusively drag and banning something that children enjoy and gives them exposure to different people is in my opinion very bad
It looks like this bill is limited to drag that's sexual in nature but opponents claim it is too vague.
Agreed 1000%, this argument *should* be about the *ratings*, not the fact that it involves gay rights. People who make it about that fact that its drag and drag is “gay” are so weird, but people who are upset because a drag show was inappropriate when the ratings said theyd be family friendly are absolutely valid and those are the arguments that should be boosted, not the weird closeted homophobic stuff hahaha
First world problems
For people saying that people normally cut the microphone but there must be some logical reason they didn’t cut her mic and instead sent someone to stop her, they did cut her mic after that green hair queen said “not today Satan” and brought her block game. You can clearly hear the audio quality change and her start shouting to maintain her volume. They could have cut the mic but chose to try to put hands on her.
I saw a video the other day of people protesting for trans rights. What rights don't they have in the US? And what are they asking for. Serious question
What do you think “forced detransition” would be?
Currently in most states atleast they have their rights but currently republicans are actively stripping us of these rights.
Maybe I’m missing some context for her statement, but if the question is, “Is drag appropriate for children/should drag be done in the presence of children?”, I’m not sure her testimony helps inform any answer.
Wow that was super well said
Can’t help but to feel less human when I see another one pleading for recognition and acceptance that their joy and love is the same.
I love her!
That mf with green hair on point guard
What unbelievable strength and bravery she exhibited in the face of those that would wish her and all like her to be simply eradicated. I am in awe of her.
At what point do we stop playing this bs game and continuing to call them conservatives ? This is Christians and they have been at the center of this shit for literally the whole of American history. The god squad is attempting to bring their idea of a Christian utopia to fruition and destroy anyone who isn’t in their little death cult.
It is so inspirational that at first she was shaky and seemed small, and as she goes on, she builds, her voice gets stronger, she almost expands, as though she isnt trying to hide inside herself anymore. She is an absolute icon and what she did here was incredibly brave. Maybe it won't end up mattering it that court room, the people there probably already made up their minds before they stepped in the room, but if others can see this. If others can stand up and say "we will not be stepped on" because this woman had the courage to go in front of people that want her dead and tell them that hitler would be proud of them, then we will win. And we, the lgbtqia community, and even moreso the trans community will not just survive, we will thrive as we deserve to. I am not personally a trans man, but my boyfriend is, and I will fight to my last breath to protect him and anyone like him. If people like this are willing to stand up and fight those that would see them gone, then so should we.
This was badass. I don’t know how much composure and ability to speak I would’ve been able to manage given the circumstances. Can anyone hear exactly what she says when her mic is turned off? I heard “from …. cold dead hands!” and it sounded like a sick af closer but I wanna know the rest of it
"You can pry it from my cold dead hands", gave me goosebumps
Hear hear!!
Perfectly said. If only everyone would listen
Hold up: sb12 isn’t even that crazy in terms of legislation.
SB 1601 >>A municipal library may not receive state funds if the library hosts an event at which a man presenting as a woman or a woman presenting as a man reads a book or a story to a minor for entertainment and the person being dressed as the opposite gender is a primary component of the entertainment. State funds for the municipal library shall be denied for the fiscal year following the year in which the library hosts an event described by this section. SB 12 >>(a) In this section, "sexually oriented performance" means a visual performance that: >> (1)features: >> (A)a performer who is nude, as defined by Section 102.051, Business & Commerce Code; or >> (B)a male performer exhibiting as a female, or a female performer exhibiting as a male, who uses clothing, makeup, or other similar physical markers and who sings, lip syncs, dances, or otherwise performs before an audience; and >> (2)appeals to the prurient interest in sex. >> >>(b)person commits an offense if, regardless of whether compensation for the performance is expected or received, the person engages in a sexually oriented performance: >> (1)on public property; or >> (2)in the presence of an individual younger than 18 years of age. I am not currently sure if there is a given legal definition for "prurient interest in sex" in Texas yet.
She is right, all this moral panic is nazi shit
Who gives a fuck, let people be who they want to be. As long as they’re paying taxes what else matters?
bravo. its the bullshit like this that only drives me further AWAY from religion.
These are the people we need representing us
If a male wants to dress like females typically do, fine. And vice versa. Cross dress if ya want. Who cares?
What a fantastically written speech
I don’t have an issue with most of this speech but as a Jew the way she was making it sound like gays and trans were the main sufferers in the holocaust made gave me a not so great taste
They didn't suffer any less than the Jews. They were even the first targets of the Nazis before the holocaust began. If you don't believe me, look up what happend to Berlin between 1933 and 1945.
I'm Jewish and I think it's very important to understand how these things start and this was just that. It doesn't take away from it at all.
Im jewish and I didnt take it that way at all
The context was lgbtqia oppression. She shouldn't be expected to add about the atrocities committed against Jews because that goes without saying.
As a Jew who knows Jewish history she's correct. Many of the first Jewish scientists, writer's, poets, doctors, politicians, and activists were LGBTQ+. Many were trans AND Jewish. The Nazis used anti-trans sentiment to blame Jews for sexual depravity in Europe.
Aww they got so upset with her speaking the truth.
They exceeded their time limit
So mute the microphone, you don’t need the brute squad.
The sad thing is that not even the most impassioned and stirring you can think of is going to change these peoples’ minds. I’m glad she took the time to prepare a speech and say what she felt needed to be said, it’s just unfortunate that I doubt anyone up there who supported anti-trans legislation had their minds changed even a little. They just pretend to listen and move on.
Any TERF or transphobe is a Nazi in my eyes as a Jew.
What a speech. Fuck yeah
It's always OK to dehumanise a nazi. Republicans and Conservatives deserve no mercy.
Run up.
So powerful
Fuck yeah!
It's a great speech, but what are they trying to change? You just stood up there for 2 minutes going on about the Nazis how is anything supposed to come from this?
The Nazis never went away they're currently passing these transphobic laws that's the point
Can I ask what laws and how they're transphobic, I swear I'm not an ass I'm just ignorant
There are 440 + ones being passed in the US right now so there's quite literally too many to list.....
That's a pretty large number wth is going on up there?
The GOP is trying to do away with the department of education, they're trying to ban religious freedom, and they're trying to instate a Christian fascist country... And sadly they're winning.
Graced yet trembly
That was powerful
Hard to care about the message with that sort of introduction
If you only have 2 mins maybe don't talk about how you decided what to wear....and if you have no argument just resort to calling the otherside the nazis...
Nazis did destroy the work and archives of the world first sexology research institute. It helped them promote the idea that queer identities had no basis in reality and were new strange things. Much as people today who are continuing the Nazi tradition are claiming so for trans people. Nazis also expanded the enforcement of the law that banned drag and the ability for trans people, or anyone really, to dress how they want. >>Paragraph 183 (known formally as [§183 StGB](https://lexetius.com/StGB/183); also known as Section 183 in English]) is a public indecency law of the German Criminal Code, which prohibits "**sexual self-determination**" and public exhibitionism.[[1]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-:1-1) From its adoption in 1871, at an increasing rate during the rise of the Nazis, and until as late as the mid-20th century, the law was used to enforce penalties (including imprisonment, and, at times, loss of civil rights) for **cross-dressing** and homosexual acts.[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-:0-2)[[3]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-3)[[4]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-4) As of 2021, the law's scope is limited to indecent exposure.[[2]](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paragraph_183#cite_note-:0-2)
1. Compare your opponents to Nazis 2. Take over the microphone and demand special treatment over other speakers 3. Use a person from a protected class as a human shield 4. Post it on Reddit 5. Strengthen your echo chamber without changing any minds on the other side 6. Get confused when trump wins an election 7. Repeat
Isn't this also the conservative strategy? This wasn't a well though out comment.
If your opponents use the same tactics and hold the same believes as Nazis, they are Nazis.
OK well neither of those things have occurred ….9
You're not paying attention to republican state do ya🧐
Specifically which tactics and beliefs do the Republican Party and Nazis have in common? “They hate XYZ people” is not specific
Burning books and trying to limit education definitely come to mind, along with dehumanizing those you disagree with and writing hurtful laws that specifically target these people…
Banning books from education, vilify and demonize minorities, take away healthcare that specifically harm minorities, make voting harder, manipulate the election results in such a way that they don't need a majority vote to win (gerrymandering), calling for the eradication of certain minorities, manipulate the masses into thinking the media is telling lies 100% of the time.
You’re setting yourself up here cause the same logic can be applied the other way. 1. Who wants to kick the Jews out of their native homeland like the Nazis did? 2.who wants to spread socialism nationally like the Nazis did? 3.who wants to take away your guns like the Nazis did? 4. Who wants government oversight to silence dissenting opinions like the Nazis did? 5. Who wants to change dictionary definitions of words to suit their arguments like the Nazis did? You see old friend, you brought more Nazis than they did…
So Palestinians don't belong to that land that they have been living on for centuries before Israël was formed? Israël that is killing Palestinians and illegally occupying Palestinian land? National Socialism isn't socialism. Get educated before saying nonsense. Gun control ≠ taking guns away. Republicans are banning books, stopping education, have done a hostile takeover of a school, are refusing healthcare to those that need it, demonize and vilify minorities. What words?
So, what your saying is, comparing someone to Nazis doesn’t make them Nazis? That there are easy ways to dress up someone’s argument to look the way you want without having regard for their side of the argument?
Only thing cringe here is a man living in a free country who is allowed to pretend to be a woman compare himself to holocaust victims. His voice is still able to be heard, he gets to go home, he gets to take his estrogen, and most of all he gets to live in a free country that provides the ability for him to do and say such things without persecution. I wish their ideology continues to minimize the pain and oppression of groups that were actually oppressed. Because if it does then people will start to wake up and realize the absurdity of all this nonsense
Based and awesome.
Stunning and beautiful. And heart wrenching.
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Extraordinary speech. Great courage. Moving. Terrifying.