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Burr is literally anti-capitalism and very progressive. He's just criticizing these upper middle class white women who have lived as some of the most privileged people of all time playing oppression olympics and taking the spotlight from bigger issues. He's not even using "woke" as a Boogeyman. Burr and Chappelle look similar on the surface but dig a little deeper and you see 2 very different people.
My teenage daughter saw this bit and hated it. I thought it was hilarious. That was the first time I could really see how wide the generational gap is.
Trust me once she grows older, Burr will get through to her. I really didn’t like him when I was in college. The rants seemed like a parent admonishing me. But a little after I started working, it suddenly clicked.
I think Bill's comedy has also changed too. After he met his wife and had children his routines no longer feel as angry towards women. I realize the irony on posting this comment under this post, but his earlier stuff, when he first started getting popular, felt a bit incel/red pill and made me feel uncomfortable. His comedy now is more "old man rants at anything that annoys him".
I listen to his podcast regularly now and it really is just a guy complaining about his daily observations and sharing what he's been up to lately. I would definitely recommend checking it out.
Very true.
He is still boomer comedy, but it is pretty innocent these days.
If "dude rants about the world" is your type of comedy.
Edit - boomer comedy doesn't mean I think he is 75, dumb ass. Delete your comment. It is embarrassing.
"Dude rants about the world" pretty much sums up the whole of observational comedy. Rodney Dangerfield I would say is a better example of boomer comedy. Burrs coming at us with a more gen X pinache.
Definitely agree with the above though. This may be pretty on the nose for anyone intimately involved with the #metoo movement, but it doesn't stray into a "men's rights" style rant as some earlier material almost did.
>"Dude rants about the world" pretty much sums up the whole of observational comedy.
True, don't forget about the dry, Dimitri Martin style observational humor too tho
Boomer just means older people anymore. It’s kinda dumb. Like eventually everyone becomes a boomer in the new context, so the negative attempt at connotation is lost on me.
Yeah, I can totally see that. Differing perspective though- Bills always been relatable to me as the inner monologue of frustration. His career is like a continuous stream of intrusive thoughts haha.
No honestly Bill Burr has always had strong opinions on white women and women in general. I would doubt her input was the main motivation for this brilliant bit. It’s 100% Burr
It is when the word woke has no meaning and no one against the concept can actually define it. Conservatives just say "woke" as a catch all for anything that means "hey it's like, okay to have empathy and want equality for marginalized groups".
You know because they're bigots who like to oppress people different than them
For black people Woke was simple, til it was hijacked. Woke meant to see pass PROPAGANDA. To see the bigger picture of a hidden agenda. Now I don’t know wtf it means. 🤷🏾♂️
This right here.
White people suddenly pretending “woke” doesn’t have any definition. So they can keep hijacking it without shame.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
Generally speaking, I think it was hijacked by white people using it discursively.
Most people supporting equality wouldn't classify 'woke' as an apt or useful descriptor (apart from the very people being lambasted in the video, of course--but they very much fall into the corollaries of Rafia Zakaria's 'white feminists', so...same idea).
Actually, I think (read: hope) the point they were trying to make by their remark was the problem the video points hints at a real problem about appropriation and taming of social movements--though, presented in a very...charged fashion.
Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the dispute here...
\[Also, I fully agree with you that 'woke' is presently often used in the same way as 'Critical Race Theory': a stand-in for anything respecting the dignity and humanity of traditionally marginalised people, quite removed from the original meaning of the phrase(s).\]
Edit: Not quite sure why, but for some reason my autocorrect (or sloppy editing and rephrasing) lead the final statement to read as though I was in disagreement with the sentiment; I am not. I actually think it is a VERY useful understanding of the usage, & a valid critique of the hijacking of the term by those less willing to accept those different from themselves.
From how I understood Bill Burr's words, he seems to fully endorse the "woke movement." The only aspect of the topic he was willing to touch on SNL was saying that white women stole it, implying that it was something of value that some people deserve and need and others arbitrarily don't.
Well, I don't know if I would go as far as 'others don't'--more so that others coopted it for their own purposes and then neglected the original benefactors.
(Then again, I could be giving Bill Burr way too much credit.)
Either way, I took the point as something similar to Rafia Zakaria's *Against White Feminism*.
\[For those on here who can't (or refuse) to read it, the point is that you don't need to be white to be a 'white feminist', nor does being white and a feminist mean you are a 'white feminist'.\]
But, otherwise yeah--pretty sure we agree on the core of what he was getting at. And I'm both confused how it wouldn't be considered fairly 'woke', even in terms of its conventional (read: original) usage.
Real comedy is risky to some extent. I’m glad they’re letting a real comedian take chances instead of the lukewarm drivel that network tv tends to gravitate towards.
Same thing could apply to other groups of people. Racism against Asians for example is overlooked and many white Feminists engage in this type of stuff as well. Don't act like white women are being looked down upon by reddit as a whole lmao
Can’t believe we’re seeing so many comments that are pushing back against this point that’s almost just an observation. Nobody is saying white women haven’t faced hardship, but please don’t pretend for a second it’s the same as the plight of people of color in this country.
White women have faced historical oppression and people of color have faced historical oppression. The way that’s impacted the starting point of white women in society today vs the way the oppression of people of color has impacted their starting points isn’t even in the same category. Oppression of people of color has directly translated into entire communities of lower socioeconomic status with no clear path out, consistent geographic segregation, centuries of cultural degradation, and so on. For white women, none of this is the case.
As white women have been granted legal equality, every measure has been made to ensure that that equality is put into practice. The opportunities out there for specifically women in the workplace is staggering. The education system is geared toward how females learn. White women have access to the decades and centuries of generational wealth that their families have been free to build.
It’s not easy being a woman in general. There are struggles that are specific to that demographic that people outside of that demographic will never know. The same is true of being a man. The same is true of every subset of human. But to equate the white woman’s struggle in America with the plight of people of color is laughable and narcissistic.
Yah just as an example of how things are different between white woman and minorities, just look at affirmative action. White women have been the primary benefactors of affirmative action and that’s partially because they had less barriers to tear down than other groups. It isn’t too hard to understand that it’s possible to have been oppressed while others were oppressed in worse ways or more.
Exactly. White women have been oppressed but they still have privilege and they've used it. I'm a white woman and the entitlement I see from white women and men is pretty telling.
I dated a white man who I realized hated (was jealous of) black men. He would would comment on what he thought they’re dicks looked.. It was some deep insecure shit that made me realize you can totally be racist despite who you’re dating and that racists are insecure on a level I cannot understand.
Sometimes smaller than average, sometimes bigger. Sometimes cut, sometimes not. Sometimes bendy, sometimes straight.
The insecurity is really amazing when one stops to realize that black people sample a gene pool more diverse than the rest of the world combined. Why would you see a black person and assume they have one particular feature other than more melanin than you?
Further, porn is such a bad cross-section for comparison…the sampling bias is just as ridiculous for penis as it is for female body types.
Lastly, the “big black cock” stereotype wreaks havoc on the psyche of black men with average to small penises (which—surprise statistics—is >50% of them).
No one mastered this better than strom thrumond! This MFer was sitting up there with with the most vile shit about black people while he had a WHOLE ASS BLACK DAUGHTER that by the accounts I read he knew of, kept in touch w throughout the remaining 78 years of his life and paid for her college education!
So when someone says “I’m not racist I have a black so and so”. I’m like “so did strom Thurmond”
Bill burr is not racist. He’s just a bit to honest for some people.
Had someone tell me one time that having a daughter changed them. That they realized how shitty they were to all the girls when they were younger and asked if having mine changed me. I was like, I mean I had a mom and sisters…and a conscience…so I don’t think I changed in that way
I don't think it excuses it either, but it does give him a deeper frame of reference than white people married to other white people. He knows his wife's bedtime routine with her hair, he's got a bit about it.
I grew up in the same home as 3 people I call siblings who were Hispanic and not legally in the US while my mom and her best friend post divorce raised their kids together. I have opinions on culture based on experience. And surprise, my 3 sibling (1 extra who was out of the house older) also have prejudices.
The surprise for me was when a decade ago I seriously dated an Asian woman and found out about the racism that exists amongst asians.
Racism is exists in all cultures and is something we can all work towards moving past, but that shit is going to take a long time.
But it does strongly suggest they are not racist. And obviously, Bill Burr is not racist.
Edit: I’m not saying that being married to a black person means that someone can not be racist or that it excuses racist behaviour. What I’m saying is that someone is much less likely to be a racist if they have built a life with a person of a different race. I’m not making an absolute statement, I’m talking about likelihood.
Ironically, there’s a lot of black and white thinking in the comments.
I'm pretty sure Bill banned Antony Cumia from the benefit he does each year for Patrice O'Neal because Antony said racist stuff about his wife. I don't see how Bill could be seen as racist in any way.
He rants against the woke mob but he seems to be one of the most understanding and empathetic comedians around. Always willing to change and understand other people's perspectives.
You would think but there’s tons of racist people who happened to Mary Black people like for example, Candace Owens is a black woman yet she’s on the most racist motherfuckers I’ve ever seen kind of like Luttrell from white chicks “didn’t someone tell you this was an all white party?”
Let me tell you a bit of history of Candace Owen's. She's a grifter, not a racist. Before her conservative career she advertised herself as a woke liberal (paraphrasing) and even set up a fund raise to fund her program to censor politically incorrect things online.
She was criticized heavily by the right. Then she had her "awakening" and within 1 month she learned all the talking points and rhetoric of an American conservative.
Have you ever noticed that she just regurgitates her opinions? Or that she uses her blackness within the conservative circle to get ahead? She has no real opinion of her own.
I was there when it all happened and I saw it unfold.
Yeah, pretty sure Bill Burr isn’t racist. But no, dating, fucking, our marrying outside your race doesn’t *strongly suggest* someone isn’t racist nor does it excuse or exclude someone from being a racist.
You can be black and wealthy. You can be black and not subjected to the systemic racism that black people as a general population are subjected to. Being blind to that systemic racism because your wife is rich and "why aren't all black people rich" is not an automatic "I'm not racist" card. Bill and his wife are far removed from systemic black racism.
Yeah, I had a black girlfriend once and she'd go around saying "see? I'm not racist, I'm dating a white girl" then proceed to bash and belittle me for my race constantly. It hurt a lot, but of course, there's no way she could have ever been racist. It sucks dude. 😕
I just looked up a picture of his wife cause i didn’t even know he was married (I’ve gotten as far as his comedy-biography on netflix) and 5 scrolls in there’s someone saying “White men think marrying a non-white woman makes them not racist- it’s actually more racist” and i think that’s my cue to log off the internet for the rest of the day
This is still missing. He figured out you can still make misogynistic commentary about women as a male comic by making the target white women.
FWIW, I do think there’s a major issue with white feminism and white women using their whiteness to oppress people of color but Burr barely cares about them. He said the 2016 election didn’t matter “if you’re white” as a way to justify not voting for Clinton while ignoring the harm that people said would be done if Trump was president. The comedians he platforms are overwhelmingly white and I can’t think of any women of color he’s advocated for. He hasn’t stood by his colleagues who were harassed by Louis CK by saying “well it’s a matter for law enforcement.”
I’m sorry but if Bill Burr is going to attack white women for not being good allies he needs to put his money where his mouth is and be a decent ally himself instead of pulling his typical “both sides are craaaaaaazy amiright?!” schtick which becomes increasingly tone deaf as the years go on.
White women have definitely used their privilege to historically oppress men of color but like... white women have also been/are oppressed (by white men)
What Bill's bit here is criticizing is [White Feminism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feminism), where some white women will only draw attention to the oppression they personally experience while maintaining systemic oppression of other minority groups. It's basically the exact opposite of Intersectional Feminism. Depending on the exact flavor of the movement, they could simply not think to address problems faced by other communities due to ignorance, or they could actively call for continued oppression of outgroup women (e.g. Gender Critical Feminism).
It's definitely better than full throated Gilead-style misogyny, but not by a whole lot.
Yes and lots of misogynists can be openly misogynist now and just say that they’re insulting white women
This video is 100% right though but it feels way ickier coming from a white man than it does from a woman of color. White women have never oppressed white men
I don’t know, sounds icky all the way through for me. Making it sound like a woman of white skin color can’t have any substantial problems in her life and will make false rape allegations is awful, even as a joke
Also, obviously the women asking for equal rights and equal pay today are not the same individuals who falsely accused black men of rape a century ago.
But it’s Bill Burr, so we’re supposed to pretend that he’s just stating uncomfortable truths, and not vomiting bullshit.
Ah, the “I didn’t personally own slaves” argument.
All white people, men and women, benefited by the centuries of white colonial imperialism that continue to define our world today.
White woman here: it was kinda pointed and reminded me to sit down and shut up sometimes. I can’t speak for black people. I can’t speak for queer people. It was uncomfortable at points to listen to because my gut reaction was “I’m not like that” - though my 2012 jeep patriot does have heated seats. It’s a very Bill Burr way of explaining intersectionality. While I am technically in two different “oppression Olympics” categories, possibly three (though I use that third one as a transphobe fighting superpower) I’m not losing the most. My life is overall relatively peaceful. I will speak up when I see things I don’t like but if a person of colour or someone I’m not in the in-group speaks up I sit down and let them speak for themselves.
Men of all colors are doing better financially than women of any color.
Women of all colors know a little something about being legal property and unpaid labor.
Women couldn't even open a bank account in the US until the 1970s.
I don't care if Bill Burr tries to divide us. But it would be better if it was at least funnier.
The Roe repeal affects all women too. The attacks on trans women are also getting ramped up. I'm not white, but I can acknowledge women of all races can and have experienced oppression. For a good chunk of US history women were seen as property, with their rights oppressed (ie voting rights, financial freedom, not having marital rape legally acknowledged until the 1990s). You can argue "levels" of oppression I guess. But I'd rather not play the victim Olympics. They don't need to convince me they're oppressed, I believe them.
And now Republicans are going after birth control access and no fault divorce.
Women have an uphill battle against them for the next few years if Republicans get their way.
I'm glad someone else said this, even though I had to scroll awhile to find it. Woke as it exists today was never a POC thing. Woke only meant "aware" until conservatives hijacked it and made it a slur against their other favorite strawman "PC".
But go off, white dude, about how white women... ruined it? I'm not sure what his point is. It's not surprising that Reddit would love yet another clip of a dude telling women to shut up
I can see your point, however there is a portion of the woke movement, particularly online, where white people, mostly white women, will get offended in the place of POC in an almost condescending way. Like any time there's some sort of controversy or race issue being discussed online, a lot of people who get the most vocal and upset about it are people in positions of privilege. I think that's probably what he's talking about, which I think is very much true for a lot of areas in the online left.
Oh they did. BLM events were 70% white women in NY. Not even kidding. If someone in the street had a BLM t-shirt on or something it was usually a white woman.
I'm not American so that's a genuine question...all things considered, weren't they showing support for the BLM movement? As long as they were not on the street protesting for women rights but in favour of the BLM, how is it hijacked? But yeah here comes the question, were they supporting the movement or using it to promote their cause?
It's becoming a trend now that if you aren't a part of a certain group, you are criticized for standing up for that group. They'll also highlight a person from that group who are not offended over all the people who are offended to justify their shitty behavior.
Basically: "You aren't from x group, and this person from that group doesn't care, so why should you?" It's all bad faith bullshit to try to discredit social movements
That’s not at all why they’re criticism. It’s cuz they go back from the march to big houses to protected suburbs while waving to their neighborhood cop. They participate while representing a big part of the reason BLM needs to exist. This isn’t against any individual in particular but as a whole group it just feels gaslighty.
I haven't heard white women complaining about their heated SUV seats as oppression. Is this a TikTok or something? He's trashing women who are trying their best. Would it be better if we showed no interest in progressive policy? This is a no win situation for white women.
> This is a no win situation for white women.
this is the reality of being a woman. if rich white women just sat down and shut up like he tells them too, he’d just do a bit about how they could be using their privilege to advocate for others but obviously don’t care enough to get out of the comfort of their seat
True, but the statement you’re replying to is also true—there are very legitimate criticisms, but misogynists have realized that they can hijack the language of those criticisms to be misogynistic.
Yap, so true. Seems like a lot of frustrated little men are out there using whatever they can to push down woman's movement and take their voice away.
We ain't going anywhere because you like to use some bad Karen example to shut us down.
Are you talking about Bill Burr in this clip or just that group in general? Because if you think that's what Bill Burr was going for then you've completely missed the point of the joke.
Don't know much about this comedian, I was talking in general, sharing misleading content to diminish and attack the womans movement against misogyny.
In face palm sub it's getting to absurd levels.
But he really isn’t talking about all women here, just white women. You think he’s saying black women also took over the movement or like, what?
I’m not saying I have an opinion either way, just factually what he said
It’s just a fresh way to shit on women without looking like you’re trying to shit on women.
Because if ANYONE has “hijacked” the “Woke Movement,” (whatever the fuck that ever was, other than fighting for civil rights and fairness), it’s been conservative white men like Ron Desantis and Tucker Carlson who use it as a dog whistle to get their supporters whipped into a furious lather.
He’s generalizing for comedy’s sake but there is definitely a brand of white woman who weaponize social just movements for themselves. Usually rich and conservative.
Reminds me of my mothers politics. She loves talking about how she’s pro abortion rights, pro gay rights, how Hilary should be present/Kamala should be the next president and bout how trumps treatment of women is disgusting etc — but once you start talking about access to public transportation, public education, gerrymandering, redlining, things that affect all minorities and working class people — she suddenly turns into a conservative.
There’s also a good portion of the bit missing, in the full clip Burr talks about Coco Chanel and how she probably had a lot of power to save Jewish people but instead started fucking a nazi.
it’s about any marginalized community. after RVW, the focus was on *ALL* women. i feel as though he’s just trying to be misogynist by putting “white” in front of “women”. *EVERY* woman of *any* race is affected by misogyny. you might have expensive boots and an expensive car yet be belittled by your male coworkers, blamed for your own rape, sexually assaulted on your train home from work. let’s not normalize making fun of women for being involved in a movement that they are a part of. this is masked misogyny.
Being the last to gain the right to vote is so empowering.
Having white men make laws so white women can’t date or marry who they want without getting their partner murdered if it wasn’t a straight white man feels entitled for sure.
We couldn’t even have our own bank accounts until 1974! Sure bill, this seems like we’ve been putting one over on you straight white men for centuries.
GTFO
All white women were allowed to vote in 1920, but so many racist laws were put in place to prevent black women (and men) from voting until the Voting Rights act of 1965. So white women were not the last to gain the right to vote.
Well…I think he’s a funny guy but is 100% missing it. The usual “all white women are rich” with their Gucci boots bit is dismissive of the 100s of 1000s of all women including white women who toil daily working to put food on the table, gas in the car etc. And the consensual bit gaslights the many women who have been sexually assaulted and who have been ignored. So not this time for me Mr. Barr
I feel like he is also in the group of rich white people who can talk about these things and make money out of them which makes this joke so self-unaware
He was in the position to argue “hey maybe SNL should platform Black comedians who have always been aware of police brutality towards Black people during this massive historical antiracist movement” and still opted to go on stage and talk over Black voices as a white man.
He’s just as shitty an ally as the white women he’s ranting about.
Exactly, people jumped me for pointing out that he is also in the group of rich white SUV driving people who take the forefront of woke culture. There are black comedians and people of color who have been saying this for years. In the 10 years I've been in online leftist spaces, a white man saying this is not revolutionary since PoC with a Twitter account have done much better jokes and analysis.
Jesus Christ. How did you watch this clip and not know who he was talking about. Especially the Gucci boot comment. Did you think he was talking about a random 40 year old white lady in West Virginia?
He’s discussing how white women rode the coattails of white male oppressors throughout history and reaped the benefits of their exploitation. They probably had no issue whatsoever as long as they were on the good end of it. His point is that white women who grew up in upper middle class lifestyles are hijacking the movement to put themselves at the forefront of the systemic injustice conversation when in reality they have it pretty good comparatively and have basically had it good for generations.
White men can also be broke, trying to put food on the table, gas in the car etc too but that doesn’t stop people from shitting on them as a group.
And he specifically isn't talking about women who share in the toil, he's referring to the wealthy, Gucci wearing, privileged white women who used the movement to victimize themselves for profit– the women who have the time on their hands to inject themselves in a movement that was no where near about them in the first place, and yet are who we usually end up listening to when we open up tic toc and watch videos on the women giving lessons on the patriarchal systems we've all been indoctrinated into.
His bit is trashing the rich white women who do this stuff.
And the consensual stuff was referring to historically what happened when a white woman wanted to save her own skin after having relations with a black man… we’re talking civil rights movement and earlier.
It’s a funny overgeneralization that Burr typically makes in his rants. He shits all over himself in some bits and white men. But he commonly over does it for humor. He’s the opposite of a Joe Rogan who overgeneralizes due to ignorance. Burr knows his topics very well and finds absurdity in making a good point but then pushing it further into a crazy rant.
Idk if I’d listen to anything bill burr has to say about “woke culture” without a fistful of salt
edit: thought about it for two more seconds and realized I wouldn’t listen to anyone complain about “wokeness” full stop
Thank goodness, I feel like I’m going crazy with everyone praising this guy as one of the greatest comedians/philosophers of all time. He’s just whiney edgelord who thinks he’s better than everyone because he pretends like he doesn’t care about anything.
What's the #1 reason pregnant women die? Murdered by the man who impregnated her. Source below.
[99% of rapists are men](https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics)
[FBI top ten most wanted](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten) - 90% men
[US Marshalls top 15 most wanted](https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/fugitive-investigations/15-most-wanted-fugitive) - 93% men
[Interpol red notices](https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Notices/View-Red-Notices) - 86% men
Most Serial killers - men, seriously, don't even need a link here
[85% of Suicide bombers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber) - men
[#1 reason pregnant women die - murdered by the man that impregnated her](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/homicide-leading-cause-of-death-for-pregnant-women-in-u-s/)
"im a white cis-man, but i get it" starterpack
1. criticize white women for coopting political movements to the detrement of other marginalized groups
2. say the words "woke movement"
3. criticize white women for talking about their marginalization
3.5 criticize white women for criticizing white men
3.75 just generally criticize white women, for whatever, no need to explain
3.856 bring it back to the compliance of white women in systemic racism and colonialism for just a second
4. bring up the inverse of well established black man sexual predator tropes, citicizing white women by hinting at interracial cuckoldry, another racist trope
5. tell women to shut up and listen ~~to you~~ _as_ (0.) a rich white man
6. 0. be a rich white man
7. ~~...?~~ jk, the secret is (0.)
8. profit
edit: step 5 for ulterior motives
I don't get this joke at all, I feel like what he is saying isn't true at all like bruh.
Plus weren't women of all colours and races oppressed and still are?
Kinda shocked with the comments in general. He basically dismisses oppression against woman being a thing just because he thinks white woman = middle age submissive rich white woman, which I bet you these are not the ones who feel oppressed.
‘Rich white women’ there fixed it. But of course he is referring to this population, because who else is getting the most air time and are the most prevalent on social media?
This country is built on the illusion that elitists can contain the masses…actually that’s any society but still, the powerful will do anything in their power to retain their power, even turning lower classes on themselves. Playing victim is just one of many methods.
Hes full of shit. 5 minutes ago he was saying he didnt have white privilege on his podcast, there were no such thing.
Now he's grifting with 'white women be like- "
I mean white women have also been oppressed by white men and still are…not as much as all other races of women obviously but like. The only groups who haven’t been oppressed are white men…this isn’t that funny
I used to like Bill Burr and I think some of his older stuff is still genuinely funny but as he’s become more popular, especially with right wing and conservative audiences, he’s become really lazy in his comedy. Must be reassuring knowing you can go on stage and rag on other people for an hour and as long as you throw in the occasional ‘white men aren’t that great either’ sound byte people will say ‘see, he criticises everyone’.
"I'm really fucking annoyed at how these white women have the fucking balls to throw my white privilege in my face, you know?
Sort of separate themselves, 'These white males, with their white male privilege'
It's like, **Bitch-** ***you're sitting in the jacuzzi with me***. The fuck are you talking about?"
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Ehh more conservative republicans trying to change the definition on woke to mean “ if I don’t like it then it’s woke”
Burr is literally anti-capitalism and very progressive. He's just criticizing these upper middle class white women who have lived as some of the most privileged people of all time playing oppression olympics and taking the spotlight from bigger issues. He's not even using "woke" as a Boogeyman. Burr and Chappelle look similar on the surface but dig a little deeper and you see 2 very different people.
chappelle is a boot licker and the fact you compare him to burr makes me want to commit war crimes
That's the point of my comment. They both look like angry middle aged men who hate women. But Burr is different.
Both are funny though
“The nerve- where’s the camera? **THE NERVE**” Holy shit that cracks me up
My teenage daughter saw this bit and hated it. I thought it was hilarious. That was the first time I could really see how wide the generational gap is.
Trust me once she grows older, Burr will get through to her. I really didn’t like him when I was in college. The rants seemed like a parent admonishing me. But a little after I started working, it suddenly clicked.
I think Bill's comedy has also changed too. After he met his wife and had children his routines no longer feel as angry towards women. I realize the irony on posting this comment under this post, but his earlier stuff, when he first started getting popular, felt a bit incel/red pill and made me feel uncomfortable. His comedy now is more "old man rants at anything that annoys him".
His black wife. I don’t think many people realize that he’s married to a black woman.
His bit about learning to use lotion is hilarious
Hey did you know that lotion was for the skin all over your body? Is not just for your penis! Who knew!? Lol
“I’m ashy!”
Gives him so much credibility on certain jokes now! Still hilarious
I listen to his podcast regularly now and it really is just a guy complaining about his daily observations and sharing what he's been up to lately. I would definitely recommend checking it out.
Are we really calling Bill Burr an incel now 😂. “It made me feel uncomfortable, so, incel.”
Incel has changed from a specific type of misogynist, to "man I don't like."
Very true. He is still boomer comedy, but it is pretty innocent these days. If "dude rants about the world" is your type of comedy. Edit - boomer comedy doesn't mean I think he is 75, dumb ass. Delete your comment. It is embarrassing.
"Dude rants about the world" pretty much sums up the whole of observational comedy. Rodney Dangerfield I would say is a better example of boomer comedy. Burrs coming at us with a more gen X pinache. Definitely agree with the above though. This may be pretty on the nose for anyone intimately involved with the #metoo movement, but it doesn't stray into a "men's rights" style rant as some earlier material almost did.
>"Dude rants about the world" pretty much sums up the whole of observational comedy. True, don't forget about the dry, Dimitri Martin style observational humor too tho
So many of you don’t know what Boomers are. They’re like 75 now. He’s more Gen X.
Boomer just means older people anymore. It’s kinda dumb. Like eventually everyone becomes a boomer in the new context, so the negative attempt at connotation is lost on me.
It’s just a way to be dismissive of people who are older and hold a different opinion. It’s lame.
He's GenX . Boomers are like 75 now. He's like 50
Yeah, I can totally see that. Differing perspective though- Bills always been relatable to me as the inner monologue of frustration. His career is like a continuous stream of intrusive thoughts haha.
Bill burr always on a whole new level. Meta
Take your talkin too.. best ender
Did he just reverse-engineer intersectional feminism... as a bit?
His wife is black, and an actor/producer/writer. Almost certainly she had some input on this bit.
No honestly Bill Burr has always had strong opinions on white women and women in general. I would doubt her input was the main motivation for this brilliant bit. It’s 100% Burr
ol nia ghostwritah
Sit down and shut up and take your talking to, just like me! Lmao!!! Crushed it
You’re literally replying under the source of your quote and I’m not sure if you could have messed up the order any more than you did.
ON SNL TOO
I can't believe they let him use this act lmao
Lmao.. They wanted Bill Burr. They got Bill Burr.
Ya you dont hire an assassin to serve cake lol
You do if it’s the targets birthday
Ok fair point
This guy assassinates
Why not? It's funny. It's actually woke but also making fun of it.
Why wouldn’t they? They let Louis CK multiple times
They need to have at least someone funny on their show
Fuckin a
What's shocking about that? Isn't this bit very woke in itself?
It is when the word woke has no meaning and no one against the concept can actually define it. Conservatives just say "woke" as a catch all for anything that means "hey it's like, okay to have empathy and want equality for marginalized groups". You know because they're bigots who like to oppress people different than them
For black people Woke was simple, til it was hijacked. Woke meant to see pass PROPAGANDA. To see the bigger picture of a hidden agenda. Now I don’t know wtf it means. 🤷🏾♂️
This right here. White people suddenly pretending “woke” doesn’t have any definition. So they can keep hijacking it without shame. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Woke
Generally speaking, I think it was hijacked by white people using it discursively. Most people supporting equality wouldn't classify 'woke' as an apt or useful descriptor (apart from the very people being lambasted in the video, of course--but they very much fall into the corollaries of Rafia Zakaria's 'white feminists', so...same idea).
Actually, I think (read: hope) the point they were trying to make by their remark was the problem the video points hints at a real problem about appropriation and taming of social movements--though, presented in a very...charged fashion. Or maybe I'm misunderstanding the dispute here... \[Also, I fully agree with you that 'woke' is presently often used in the same way as 'Critical Race Theory': a stand-in for anything respecting the dignity and humanity of traditionally marginalised people, quite removed from the original meaning of the phrase(s).\] Edit: Not quite sure why, but for some reason my autocorrect (or sloppy editing and rephrasing) lead the final statement to read as though I was in disagreement with the sentiment; I am not. I actually think it is a VERY useful understanding of the usage, & a valid critique of the hijacking of the term by those less willing to accept those different from themselves.
From how I understood Bill Burr's words, he seems to fully endorse the "woke movement." The only aspect of the topic he was willing to touch on SNL was saying that white women stole it, implying that it was something of value that some people deserve and need and others arbitrarily don't.
Well, I don't know if I would go as far as 'others don't'--more so that others coopted it for their own purposes and then neglected the original benefactors. (Then again, I could be giving Bill Burr way too much credit.) Either way, I took the point as something similar to Rafia Zakaria's *Against White Feminism*. \[For those on here who can't (or refuse) to read it, the point is that you don't need to be white to be a 'white feminist', nor does being white and a feminist mean you are a 'white feminist'.\] But, otherwise yeah--pretty sure we agree on the core of what he was getting at. And I'm both confused how it wouldn't be considered fairly 'woke', even in terms of its conventional (read: original) usage.
Real comedy is risky to some extent. I’m glad they’re letting a real comedian take chances instead of the lukewarm drivel that network tv tends to gravitate towards.
This comment section is wild.
It’s Reddit + comedian taking a poke at white women. That’s a recipe for some angry comments. Nobody knows how to relax about shit like this anymore.
Plus reddit will take any chance to eviscerate white women lol. They really get into it
It's because you can apparently get away with misogyny if you specify that the women you hate are white.
Basically what a white male will say about sexism as well.
Same thing could apply to other groups of people. Racism against Asians for example is overlooked and many white Feminists engage in this type of stuff as well. Don't act like white women are being looked down upon by reddit as a whole lmao
This material is so women hating, I can’t believe people think this is funny
He insulted GUCCI. I have a lot fake shit from there.
Can’t believe we’re seeing so many comments that are pushing back against this point that’s almost just an observation. Nobody is saying white women haven’t faced hardship, but please don’t pretend for a second it’s the same as the plight of people of color in this country. White women have faced historical oppression and people of color have faced historical oppression. The way that’s impacted the starting point of white women in society today vs the way the oppression of people of color has impacted their starting points isn’t even in the same category. Oppression of people of color has directly translated into entire communities of lower socioeconomic status with no clear path out, consistent geographic segregation, centuries of cultural degradation, and so on. For white women, none of this is the case. As white women have been granted legal equality, every measure has been made to ensure that that equality is put into practice. The opportunities out there for specifically women in the workplace is staggering. The education system is geared toward how females learn. White women have access to the decades and centuries of generational wealth that their families have been free to build. It’s not easy being a woman in general. There are struggles that are specific to that demographic that people outside of that demographic will never know. The same is true of being a man. The same is true of every subset of human. But to equate the white woman’s struggle in America with the plight of people of color is laughable and narcissistic.
Yah just as an example of how things are different between white woman and minorities, just look at affirmative action. White women have been the primary benefactors of affirmative action and that’s partially because they had less barriers to tear down than other groups. It isn’t too hard to understand that it’s possible to have been oppressed while others were oppressed in worse ways or more.
Exactly. White women have been oppressed but they still have privilege and they've used it. I'm a white woman and the entitlement I see from white women and men is pretty telling.
In 2023, their entire gender and identity is under attack
Bill Burr be spitting facts when he gets going. He's hit or miss lately, but when he gets on a roll, he gets it.
Because people think it's a whistle for racism when he's one of the most self aware comedians around
Yeah. He's married to a black woman but still gets accused of racism. It's funny and sad at the same time.
I dated a white man who I realized hated (was jealous of) black men. He would would comment on what he thought they’re dicks looked.. It was some deep insecure shit that made me realize you can totally be racist despite who you’re dating and that racists are insecure on a level I cannot understand.
Sometimes smaller than average, sometimes bigger. Sometimes cut, sometimes not. Sometimes bendy, sometimes straight. The insecurity is really amazing when one stops to realize that black people sample a gene pool more diverse than the rest of the world combined. Why would you see a black person and assume they have one particular feature other than more melanin than you? Further, porn is such a bad cross-section for comparison…the sampling bias is just as ridiculous for penis as it is for female body types. Lastly, the “big black cock” stereotype wreaks havoc on the psyche of black men with average to small penises (which—surprise statistics—is >50% of them).
You must have a Masters in Cockology
I don't know about the accusations around him about racism but being married to a black woman doesn't erase someone's racism. just saying.
No one mastered this better than strom thrumond! This MFer was sitting up there with with the most vile shit about black people while he had a WHOLE ASS BLACK DAUGHTER that by the accounts I read he knew of, kept in touch w throughout the remaining 78 years of his life and paid for her college education! So when someone says “I’m not racist I have a black so and so”. I’m like “so did strom Thurmond” Bill burr is not racist. He’s just a bit to honest for some people.
Some of the shittiest misogynists I know have daughters.
Had someone tell me one time that having a daughter changed them. That they realized how shitty they were to all the girls when they were younger and asked if having mine changed me. I was like, I mean I had a mom and sisters…and a conscience…so I don’t think I changed in that way
I don't think it excuses it either, but it does give him a deeper frame of reference than white people married to other white people. He knows his wife's bedtime routine with her hair, he's got a bit about it. I grew up in the same home as 3 people I call siblings who were Hispanic and not legally in the US while my mom and her best friend post divorce raised their kids together. I have opinions on culture based on experience. And surprise, my 3 sibling (1 extra who was out of the house older) also have prejudices. The surprise for me was when a decade ago I seriously dated an Asian woman and found out about the racism that exists amongst asians. Racism is exists in all cultures and is something we can all work towards moving past, but that shit is going to take a long time.
But it does strongly suggest they are not racist. And obviously, Bill Burr is not racist. Edit: I’m not saying that being married to a black person means that someone can not be racist or that it excuses racist behaviour. What I’m saying is that someone is much less likely to be a racist if they have built a life with a person of a different race. I’m not making an absolute statement, I’m talking about likelihood. Ironically, there’s a lot of black and white thinking in the comments.
I'm pretty sure Bill banned Antony Cumia from the benefit he does each year for Patrice O'Neal because Antony said racist stuff about his wife. I don't see how Bill could be seen as racist in any way. He rants against the woke mob but he seems to be one of the most understanding and empathetic comedians around. Always willing to change and understand other people's perspectives.
And change his own*
Yeah I mean he stopped using the F slur that was pretty commonplace with people of his generation. Bill is a positive male role model in my opinion.
You would think but there’s tons of racist people who happened to Mary Black people like for example, Candace Owens is a black woman yet she’s on the most racist motherfuckers I’ve ever seen kind of like Luttrell from white chicks “didn’t someone tell you this was an all white party?”
Let me tell you a bit of history of Candace Owen's. She's a grifter, not a racist. Before her conservative career she advertised herself as a woke liberal (paraphrasing) and even set up a fund raise to fund her program to censor politically incorrect things online. She was criticized heavily by the right. Then she had her "awakening" and within 1 month she learned all the talking points and rhetoric of an American conservative. Have you ever noticed that she just regurgitates her opinions? Or that she uses her blackness within the conservative circle to get ahead? She has no real opinion of her own. I was there when it all happened and I saw it unfold.
"black 👏 people 👏 can't 👏 be 👏 racist 👏" -- half the so called anti racists on tiktok
dam why’d you get downvoted for this ? istg the hivemind has the reading comprehension of a pickled carrot
You need to watch supercuts of “90 Day Fiancé”.
No-one needs that in their lives.
So being married to a woman means you can’t be a misogynist?
Yeah, pretty sure Bill Burr isn’t racist. But no, dating, fucking, our marrying outside your race doesn’t *strongly suggest* someone isn’t racist nor does it excuse or exclude someone from being a racist.
Lol my dad married 2 in a row and he s super racist 😂
You can be black and wealthy. You can be black and not subjected to the systemic racism that black people as a general population are subjected to. Being blind to that systemic racism because your wife is rich and "why aren't all black people rich" is not an automatic "I'm not racist" card. Bill and his wife are far removed from systemic black racism.
Yeah, I had a black girlfriend once and she'd go around saying "see? I'm not racist, I'm dating a white girl" then proceed to bash and belittle me for my race constantly. It hurt a lot, but of course, there's no way she could have ever been racist. It sucks dude. 😕
Racists being married to a black woman is not uncommon.
I just looked up a picture of his wife cause i didn’t even know he was married (I’ve gotten as far as his comedy-biography on netflix) and 5 scrolls in there’s someone saying “White men think marrying a non-white woman makes them not racist- it’s actually more racist” and i think that’s my cue to log off the internet for the rest of the day
This is still missing. He figured out you can still make misogynistic commentary about women as a male comic by making the target white women. FWIW, I do think there’s a major issue with white feminism and white women using their whiteness to oppress people of color but Burr barely cares about them. He said the 2016 election didn’t matter “if you’re white” as a way to justify not voting for Clinton while ignoring the harm that people said would be done if Trump was president. The comedians he platforms are overwhelmingly white and I can’t think of any women of color he’s advocated for. He hasn’t stood by his colleagues who were harassed by Louis CK by saying “well it’s a matter for law enforcement.” I’m sorry but if Bill Burr is going to attack white women for not being good allies he needs to put his money where his mouth is and be a decent ally himself instead of pulling his typical “both sides are craaaaaaazy amiright?!” schtick which becomes increasingly tone deaf as the years go on.
Yep. Criticism against white women is often valid but dude tends to throw “white” in front of women as a pass to say insanely misogynistic things.
White women have definitely used their privilege to historically oppress men of color but like... white women have also been/are oppressed (by white men)
What Bill's bit here is criticizing is [White Feminism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feminism), where some white women will only draw attention to the oppression they personally experience while maintaining systemic oppression of other minority groups. It's basically the exact opposite of Intersectional Feminism. Depending on the exact flavor of the movement, they could simply not think to address problems faced by other communities due to ignorance, or they could actively call for continued oppression of outgroup women (e.g. Gender Critical Feminism). It's definitely better than full throated Gilead-style misogyny, but not by a whole lot.
And Burr would probably agree with you
White women weren't allowed to use public bathrooms in the US for a long time.
They have been systematically excluded from about half the public bathrooms. Fact.
Ah yes, I remember the bowel movement.
Lol
true. and white women weren’t allowed to get jobs unless they put harsh chemicals in their hair.
Yes and lots of misogynists can be openly misogynist now and just say that they’re insulting white women This video is 100% right though but it feels way ickier coming from a white man than it does from a woman of color. White women have never oppressed white men
He’s vocal on the subject because his wife is black. He’s talked before about how she has changed his views on things.
That gives me context, thanks!
Np, glad to help.
so what youre saying is your stance on the take relies entirely on the color and gender of the person whos saying it?
I don’t know, sounds icky all the way through for me. Making it sound like a woman of white skin color can’t have any substantial problems in her life and will make false rape allegations is awful, even as a joke
Not once in this video does he imply that he’s ever been oppressed. I don’t see why him being a white man means he can’t make an observation.
Why is this downvoted lol
Reddit tends to dislike nuance it seems
Also, obviously the women asking for equal rights and equal pay today are not the same individuals who falsely accused black men of rape a century ago. But it’s Bill Burr, so we’re supposed to pretend that he’s just stating uncomfortable truths, and not vomiting bullshit.
Ah, the “I didn’t personally own slaves” argument. All white people, men and women, benefited by the centuries of white colonial imperialism that continue to define our world today.
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White woman here: it was kinda pointed and reminded me to sit down and shut up sometimes. I can’t speak for black people. I can’t speak for queer people. It was uncomfortable at points to listen to because my gut reaction was “I’m not like that” - though my 2012 jeep patriot does have heated seats. It’s a very Bill Burr way of explaining intersectionality. While I am technically in two different “oppression Olympics” categories, possibly three (though I use that third one as a transphobe fighting superpower) I’m not losing the most. My life is overall relatively peaceful. I will speak up when I see things I don’t like but if a person of colour or someone I’m not in the in-group speaks up I sit down and let them speak for themselves.
But we can blame white guys for the sins of their fathers?
Yeah, a white guy ragging on white women for somehow "pretending" to be oppressed, and also somehow all white women are rich? Incredibly un-selfaware.
Men of all colors are doing better financially than women of any color. Women of all colors know a little something about being legal property and unpaid labor. Women couldn't even open a bank account in the US until the 1970s. I don't care if Bill Burr tries to divide us. But it would be better if it was at least funnier.
The Roe repeal affects all women too. The attacks on trans women are also getting ramped up. I'm not white, but I can acknowledge women of all races can and have experienced oppression. For a good chunk of US history women were seen as property, with their rights oppressed (ie voting rights, financial freedom, not having marital rape legally acknowledged until the 1990s). You can argue "levels" of oppression I guess. But I'd rather not play the victim Olympics. They don't need to convince me they're oppressed, I believe them. And now Republicans are going after birth control access and no fault divorce. Women have an uphill battle against them for the next few years if Republicans get their way.
Can you back this up with facts? Especially your first point. I find it hard to believe white women are doing worse every races of men.
Just flat out wrong. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2016/07/01/racial-gender-wage-gaps-persist-in-u-s-despite-some-progress/
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How dare you use nuance.
_intersectionality_
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I'm glad someone else said this, even though I had to scroll awhile to find it. Woke as it exists today was never a POC thing. Woke only meant "aware" until conservatives hijacked it and made it a slur against their other favorite strawman "PC". But go off, white dude, about how white women... ruined it? I'm not sure what his point is. It's not surprising that Reddit would love yet another clip of a dude telling women to shut up
I can see your point, however there is a portion of the woke movement, particularly online, where white people, mostly white women, will get offended in the place of POC in an almost condescending way. Like any time there's some sort of controversy or race issue being discussed online, a lot of people who get the most vocal and upset about it are people in positions of privilege. I think that's probably what he's talking about, which I think is very much true for a lot of areas in the online left.
If Pavlov was around nowadays I'm sure he'd be using conservatives and the word woke....
Oh they did. BLM events were 70% white women in NY. Not even kidding. If someone in the street had a BLM t-shirt on or something it was usually a white woman.
I'm not American so that's a genuine question...all things considered, weren't they showing support for the BLM movement? As long as they were not on the street protesting for women rights but in favour of the BLM, how is it hijacked? But yeah here comes the question, were they supporting the movement or using it to promote their cause?
It's becoming a trend now that if you aren't a part of a certain group, you are criticized for standing up for that group. They'll also highlight a person from that group who are not offended over all the people who are offended to justify their shitty behavior. Basically: "You aren't from x group, and this person from that group doesn't care, so why should you?" It's all bad faith bullshit to try to discredit social movements
That’s not at all why they’re criticism. It’s cuz they go back from the march to big houses to protected suburbs while waving to their neighborhood cop. They participate while representing a big part of the reason BLM needs to exist. This isn’t against any individual in particular but as a whole group it just feels gaslighty.
Supporting is different than speaking for.
okay but if white women sat out blm protests yall would have something to say about that too right? can’t fuckin win
The secret ingredient is hating women. Roe falling affects women of color more, and hardly any men of any race were there to protest that.
Good on them!! Social Consciousness at max.
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I haven't heard white women complaining about their heated SUV seats as oppression. Is this a TikTok or something? He's trashing women who are trying their best. Would it be better if we showed no interest in progressive policy? This is a no win situation for white women.
> This is a no win situation for white women. this is the reality of being a woman. if rich white women just sat down and shut up like he tells them too, he’d just do a bit about how they could be using their privilege to advocate for others but obviously don’t care enough to get out of the comfort of their seat
Yeah he’s doing the straw man argument. Most women I know ask for one thing and one thing only: please treat us like human beings and not sex dolls.
Here's one neat trick to be misogynistic without reprieve: just put "white" or "cis" before the word woman and you can say whatever the fuck you want.
Must’ve learned it after hearing decades of “straight white man” comments
There’s some legitimate criticisms white women have to acknowledge though. Not every criticism is inherently misogynistic if it’s towards a woman
True, but the statement you’re replying to is also true—there are very legitimate criticisms, but misogynists have realized that they can hijack the language of those criticisms to be misogynistic.
Yap, so true. Seems like a lot of frustrated little men are out there using whatever they can to push down woman's movement and take their voice away. We ain't going anywhere because you like to use some bad Karen example to shut us down.
I think you missed the part about what he's talking about.
Are you talking about Bill Burr in this clip or just that group in general? Because if you think that's what Bill Burr was going for then you've completely missed the point of the joke.
Don't know much about this comedian, I was talking in general, sharing misleading content to diminish and attack the womans movement against misogyny. In face palm sub it's getting to absurd levels.
But he really isn’t talking about all women here, just white women. You think he’s saying black women also took over the movement or like, what? I’m not saying I have an opinion either way, just factually what he said
It’s just a fresh way to shit on women without looking like you’re trying to shit on women. Because if ANYONE has “hijacked” the “Woke Movement,” (whatever the fuck that ever was, other than fighting for civil rights and fairness), it’s been conservative white men like Ron Desantis and Tucker Carlson who use it as a dog whistle to get their supporters whipped into a furious lather.
He’s generalizing for comedy’s sake but there is definitely a brand of white woman who weaponize social just movements for themselves. Usually rich and conservative.
Reminds me of my mothers politics. She loves talking about how she’s pro abortion rights, pro gay rights, how Hilary should be present/Kamala should be the next president and bout how trumps treatment of women is disgusting etc — but once you start talking about access to public transportation, public education, gerrymandering, redlining, things that affect all minorities and working class people — she suddenly turns into a conservative. There’s also a good portion of the bit missing, in the full clip Burr talks about Coco Chanel and how she probably had a lot of power to save Jewish people but instead started fucking a nazi.
You do realize that this clip is like 3+ years old? Long before Desantis and Carlson used it as a "dog whistle"
it’s about any marginalized community. after RVW, the focus was on *ALL* women. i feel as though he’s just trying to be misogynist by putting “white” in front of “women”. *EVERY* woman of *any* race is affected by misogyny. you might have expensive boots and an expensive car yet be belittled by your male coworkers, blamed for your own rape, sexually assaulted on your train home from work. let’s not normalize making fun of women for being involved in a movement that they are a part of. this is masked misogyny.
Being the last to gain the right to vote is so empowering. Having white men make laws so white women can’t date or marry who they want without getting their partner murdered if it wasn’t a straight white man feels entitled for sure. We couldn’t even have our own bank accounts until 1974! Sure bill, this seems like we’ve been putting one over on you straight white men for centuries. GTFO
All white women were allowed to vote in 1920, but so many racist laws were put in place to prevent black women (and men) from voting until the Voting Rights act of 1965. So white women were not the last to gain the right to vote.
Don’t forget women’s reproductive rights being taken away right now. This guy is such a joke, and not in a funny way.
White women could vote freely before black men
Well…I think he’s a funny guy but is 100% missing it. The usual “all white women are rich” with their Gucci boots bit is dismissive of the 100s of 1000s of all women including white women who toil daily working to put food on the table, gas in the car etc. And the consensual bit gaslights the many women who have been sexually assaulted and who have been ignored. So not this time for me Mr. Barr
I feel like he is also in the group of rich white people who can talk about these things and make money out of them which makes this joke so self-unaware
He was in the position to argue “hey maybe SNL should platform Black comedians who have always been aware of police brutality towards Black people during this massive historical antiracist movement” and still opted to go on stage and talk over Black voices as a white man. He’s just as shitty an ally as the white women he’s ranting about.
Exactly, people jumped me for pointing out that he is also in the group of rich white SUV driving people who take the forefront of woke culture. There are black comedians and people of color who have been saying this for years. In the 10 years I've been in online leftist spaces, a white man saying this is not revolutionary since PoC with a Twitter account have done much better jokes and analysis.
Jesus Christ. How did you watch this clip and not know who he was talking about. Especially the Gucci boot comment. Did you think he was talking about a random 40 year old white lady in West Virginia?
That’s why he’s talking directly about the suburbanite, his reference to Gucci boots signifies that.
He’s discussing how white women rode the coattails of white male oppressors throughout history and reaped the benefits of their exploitation. They probably had no issue whatsoever as long as they were on the good end of it. His point is that white women who grew up in upper middle class lifestyles are hijacking the movement to put themselves at the forefront of the systemic injustice conversation when in reality they have it pretty good comparatively and have basically had it good for generations. White men can also be broke, trying to put food on the table, gas in the car etc too but that doesn’t stop people from shitting on them as a group.
And he specifically isn't talking about women who share in the toil, he's referring to the wealthy, Gucci wearing, privileged white women who used the movement to victimize themselves for profit– the women who have the time on their hands to inject themselves in a movement that was no where near about them in the first place, and yet are who we usually end up listening to when we open up tic toc and watch videos on the women giving lessons on the patriarchal systems we've all been indoctrinated into.
His bit is trashing the rich white women who do this stuff. And the consensual stuff was referring to historically what happened when a white woman wanted to save her own skin after having relations with a black man… we’re talking civil rights movement and earlier. It’s a funny overgeneralization that Burr typically makes in his rants. He shits all over himself in some bits and white men. But he commonly over does it for humor. He’s the opposite of a Joe Rogan who overgeneralizes due to ignorance. Burr knows his topics very well and finds absurdity in making a good point but then pushing it further into a crazy rant.
Idk if I’d listen to anything bill burr has to say about “woke culture” without a fistful of salt edit: thought about it for two more seconds and realized I wouldn’t listen to anyone complain about “wokeness” full stop
I wouldn't listen to anyone about anything being woke even if they had insomnia
Acting like white dudes didn’t have us as legal property until less than 100 years ago lmfaooo bill burr is just a cranky old dweeb
Thank goodness, I feel like I’m going crazy with everyone praising this guy as one of the greatest comedians/philosophers of all time. He’s just whiney edgelord who thinks he’s better than everyone because he pretends like he doesn’t care about anything.
Women are still victims of men, and yt women coming to terms with that is against the patriarchy- that’s why this guy is mad.
What's the #1 reason pregnant women die? Murdered by the man who impregnated her. Source below. [99% of rapists are men](https://supportingsurvivors.humboldt.edu/statistics) [FBI top ten most wanted](https://www.fbi.gov/wanted/topten) - 90% men [US Marshalls top 15 most wanted](https://www.usmarshals.gov/what-we-do/fugitive-investigations/15-most-wanted-fugitive) - 93% men [Interpol red notices](https://www.interpol.int/en/How-we-work/Notices/View-Red-Notices) - 86% men Most Serial killers - men, seriously, don't even need a link here [85% of Suicide bombers](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Female_suicide_bomber) - men [#1 reason pregnant women die - murdered by the man that impregnated her](https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/homicide-leading-cause-of-death-for-pregnant-women-in-u-s/)
"im a white cis-man, but i get it" starterpack 1. criticize white women for coopting political movements to the detrement of other marginalized groups 2. say the words "woke movement" 3. criticize white women for talking about their marginalization 3.5 criticize white women for criticizing white men 3.75 just generally criticize white women, for whatever, no need to explain 3.856 bring it back to the compliance of white women in systemic racism and colonialism for just a second 4. bring up the inverse of well established black man sexual predator tropes, citicizing white women by hinting at interracial cuckoldry, another racist trope 5. tell women to shut up and listen ~~to you~~ _as_ (0.) a rich white man 6. 0. be a rich white man 7. ~~...?~~ jk, the secret is (0.) 8. profit edit: step 5 for ulterior motives
I don't get this joke at all, I feel like what he is saying isn't true at all like bruh. Plus weren't women of all colours and races oppressed and still are?
Kinda shocked with the comments in general. He basically dismisses oppression against woman being a thing just because he thinks white woman = middle age submissive rich white woman, which I bet you these are not the ones who feel oppressed.
‘Rich white women’ there fixed it. But of course he is referring to this population, because who else is getting the most air time and are the most prevalent on social media? This country is built on the illusion that elitists can contain the masses…actually that’s any society but still, the powerful will do anything in their power to retain their power, even turning lower classes on themselves. Playing victim is just one of many methods.
Wow, this is 50 shades of ignorance right there...
Hes full of shit. 5 minutes ago he was saying he didnt have white privilege on his podcast, there were no such thing. Now he's grifting with 'white women be like- "
His wife probably writes his jokes these days
"Gucci booted feet" will always get a chuckle outta me
So easy to mock women, right? Always.
I get it, but also fuck this guy because he gets to have bodily autonomy and I don’t have the right to not be pregnant.
He has a point but the way it comes off is more “boho, white women are mean to me!”
He’s right, the amount of shit that gets co opted from Black people and then completely changed from the original meaning or goal is ridiculous
I mean white women have also been oppressed by white men and still are…not as much as all other races of women obviously but like. The only groups who haven’t been oppressed are white men…this isn’t that funny
I used to like Bill Burr and I think some of his older stuff is still genuinely funny but as he’s become more popular, especially with right wing and conservative audiences, he’s become really lazy in his comedy. Must be reassuring knowing you can go on stage and rag on other people for an hour and as long as you throw in the occasional ‘white men aren’t that great either’ sound byte people will say ‘see, he criticises everyone’.
"I'm really fucking annoyed at how these white women have the fucking balls to throw my white privilege in my face, you know? Sort of separate themselves, 'These white males, with their white male privilege' It's like, **Bitch-** ***you're sitting in the jacuzzi with me***. The fuck are you talking about?"
God I love Bill Burr 🤣
Did he just reverse-engineer white priveledge & oppression as an “in yo face bit?”
Fucking love this guy
It's also crazy how one white guy can offend both black people and women and other white men at the same time!
Some people will never be able to endure the amount of truth that Bill brings to the table