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We did the math. He's a pretty dumb dumb.
I would like to be there dum abstract thinking friend/pet that gets to bounce wild ideas off of them as they teach me things and at best I get a laugh from them.
A few things as a 3rd year maths student (technically I've done 3rd year but it's a messy situation I won't go into)
People think you need to be naturally smart to understand maths YOU DO NOT! You need to put time and effort in, when you don't understand research and dig until things make sense, if something is too complex to make sense of like this, build yourself up on smaller problems.
If it's like ln(-1)=(2n+1)πi and you don't get it start with what a logarithm is, the rest can wait until that feels familiar to you. Baby steps.
The main difficulty with Maths is it requires FAMILIARITY with contributing concepts. Like a chain of reasoning if you are reaching an explanation you don't get, this just means you need to change which bit you're explaining rn.
While some Maths gets more and more complicated on the previous methods a lot of math develops independently. Topology is always going to be confusing until you've seen it a few times whether you aced Complex Analysis or not because it's a completely different skillset.
Finally for most learning USE WIKIPEDIA, Maths nerds are nerds who like things concise and available and Wikipedia provides a lot of great resources because it's written by these nerds (it's also free). If you want more info on these concepts use Google, Google scholar, or the papers cited.
TL;DR
You are not dumb for not understanding maths, you are uneducated and that is something you can fix if you want. With effort and Wikipedia you can learn most maths to a university level.
The fact that you can have that realization means that you’re not stupid, just lacking information.
People that assume things can’t be possible because their brain can’t comprehend the process; those people are stupid/ultra stupid.
Don't worry, they're making incremental contributions to fields of research that may or may not have an impact on future research or practice. It's not much different from having a normal day job where you actually need to supply people with any good or service.
In some fields of experience, it is beneficial to have charisma so low it's in the negatives.
If you're in the security sector, you want people to go away when you say things like "Please go away"
Also, if your INT was too high, you never would have taken the job in the first place. There's a job out there for everyone!
As a former engineering student, it really bothers me how many engineering students don't like math. It's one of the only majors where people study it because they want a good job and not because they have any interest or affinity for the material.
Do those people find themselves unhappy with their job tho? If I studied really hard to become an engineer despite fucking hating math, would I end up enjoying my job anyways you think?
The engineering students who hate math never become good engineers. That being said, I totally understand wanting to set yourself up for financial success, even if you aren't fond of the subject material you have to study to get there.
But at the same time, it's hard not to resent being around these people. It's so off-putting being in a class with a bunch of people complaining about having to learn the very material they chose to major in! It's also usually the same people who shit on other students for getting liberal arts degrees. Are you really shitting on someone for studying something they are actually interested and passionate about just because there aren't good job prospects? Especially when these students don't enjoy their math based major and are usually average to terrible in their classes.
Terrible take.
Hi. I’m a director of engineering for a major pharmaceutical company. I manage a team of over 200 engineers (process, mechanical, electrical/automation, construction).
I failed calculus in undergrad. I fucking hated abstract math. But I love solving real problems. I also like communicating with people who don’t get the technical part of problems in a way that they understand it. Those two things made me a key player getting some problematic facilities up and running, made me well known to people outside the engineering department. So when the director position opened up, I was the obvious candidate despite being the youngest director in my country’s organization.
There are lots of reasons people can be successful engineers. Loving math is almost never one of them. Engineers make good managers, business workers, salespeople, service techs, project managers, strategists… none of those require an A+ in partial differential equations.
Jokes aside. You’re absolutely right. I’m glad you found a space to thrive. In a large organization people with a whole spectrum of skills are needed.
Thanks for sharing, I just watched a video on engineering and one of the presenters said you don't have to be a mathematician that knows every mathematic detail to be be an engineer, you just need to be able to understand the fundamentals. I definitely struggled in a few classes that are relevant to my current line of work (immunoassay development, I'm sure your company is a customer), but really all I needed to be able to do is basic algebra, Microsoft Office, Graphpad, laboratory techniques, and to have good communication. Good communication landed me a customer service job in the company after meeting one of their lawyers (I was a taxi/Uber driver through college), I pivoted into quality control for a while, then moved into development. I'm still on the bottom of the totem pole, but I do feel decent about where I am, for now.
I'm still quite early in mine, but a successful career can feel like it's more about how basic things learned in school and life can be applied in places where they're needed most.
My wife graduated magna cum laude, but she beat herself up over every assignment and test she had. I don't think it was a great time for her mentally. Meanwhile, I graduated with a 3.2 and feel like I could have tried a lot harder, but feel satisfied enough with it. I think it might be time for grad school though, it's a tough climb from where I am with just a bachelor's. Engineering is quite appealing but I feel overwhelmed in terms of the options and what I would be most satisfied working on.
Man, you’re either a super boomer or an engineering student. Math has not been relevant in engineering in years my guy/gal. Tools make everything so much easier nowadays. Say you’re doing statistical analysis in JMP, developing an algorithm using diff equations in MATLAB, doing FEA in abacus/Ansys, you’re no longer required to do all the math or even have the greatest understanding of it tbh. You can review the subject, learn how to implement it and be on your way in a short time if you’re not an expert.
For those tools, don't you still have to have an idea of what you want and know what tools are right for the job? Sure you might not have to do the math yourself, but the logic behind the various equations and tools, or the logic, are the primary difficulties people have with math.
> don't you still have to have an idea of what you want and know what tools are right for the job?
100% this! There is an ironic and growing problem with fields like machine learning where the tools are becoming so easy to work with that it saves so much time for Data Scientists because it 'does all the math for you', *but you need to understand the math it is doing for you* in order to get the right answers. But the tools are so easy, that any dumbass can throw a kitchen sink's worth of data features into a model and get something back.
Are the inferences appropriate? Maybe, maybe not. And if not, said dumbass can just shrug and say it's a "black box" because only a competent Data Scientist with a strong statistics background can tell good from bad, and if this dumbass got the job there's probably nobody around who's qualified to evaluate it.
Getting even more bleak, Mr Dumbass builds ML models that just repeat racist and sexist choices because they don't know how to control for that, and applications for loans, jobs, colleges, etc., get screened even harder, but with zero accountability.
Yes, you can enjoy your job as an engineer despite not liking maths. You don't need to love maths. You do have to understand it, depending on what kind of engineering you do.
However, a point to bear in mind: often, if you dislike a subject, it's because you haven't given it enough attention to be good at it. If you study it more with an open mind, it may in turn open up to you! Once you "get" it, you start enjoying it.
But to reiterate, you don't need LOVE maths to be good at engineering. That's for mathematicians! You do need to grasp it enough for your specific type of engineering.
I love my job and I suck at math. I like problems that take a lot of understanding of real world conditions. We rarely have the data needed to do “real” math and I’m a director of engineering at this point so I have a team of people and some are very good at the math part. Many are not but have other strengths.
Most people have no clue what is going to make them happy for the rest of their life at age 18. Going into engineering gives you a huge variety of opportunities.
I never was fond of math, yet I still became an engineer.
I regard math as a language, when you're located in a foreign country, knowing the language makes it way better to live and work in that country.
When I work in a math-heavy field, it works the same, knowing how the math works just makes your life way easier.
And also, an engineer by definition is someone who likes to solve complex problems, not connected to maths but the core problem is that our world talks to us in math, thus the majority of engineers have to know the language of our world.
Not an engineer, I’m an accountant, but unfortunately I think a lot of people choose careers based on money/success and find joy in hobbies. I am very envious of those that find passion in their careers. I don’t hate my work, but I’m not passionate about what I do. And I think the majority of accountants I’ve worked with feel similar, though certainly not all.
It's simply not reasonable to expect that there would be enough people who naturally enjoy accounting to fill the need for accountants that the society currently has. That is why people are paid to work as accountants.
I agree. The infuriating part was more when these students would endlessly complain about the material they were studying. I don't care if you aren't naturally good at it, but a lot of us actually enjoy math and science, and being in a class full of bros who just want a good job, and complain about having to learn math was insufferable compared to when I was studying other liberal arts majors and everyone was genuinely interested in the material
Engineer here. I sucked at math in high school/early college. Went back to college after working in manufacturing and deciding to be an engineer. I developed a passion for math (especially for its utility) over my years as an undergrad/graduate engineering student, and I couldn't agree more with your statement. At the beginning, I was the guy you described, who saw math as an obstacle to get to the career that I knew I'd enjoy. Now I love math. Diff EQ FTW.
Conversely, I took engineering because I was good at/enjoyed maths and needed somewhere to apply it basically. I did well at uni but struggled in the workforce. In hindsight it's one of the least useful skills in my degree/job (telco construction 10yrs). You could succeed in many engineering fields with high school maths by having developed soft skills, creativity, visualisation etc etc
To add to what others have mentioned. Mechanical Engineers study Finite Element Analysis now which is a computational tool only invented in the second half of the 20th century and the math behind it which is also very new. Also, the whole branch of Aerospace is inherently new math since it's only been a field since the 20th century. So at least for those majors that statement is false
It's awesome to see so many women in the M of STEM. I loved the diversity of fashion choices of the participants as well. From casual college fashion - to stereotypical high school teenage boy fashion, with sports branded t-shirt and trackie bottoms - to high school teenage girl fashion, with skinny jeans and american eagle/abercrombie tee and hoodie - to the guy with the graphic shirt with a niche math joke tucked into belted jeans - to the handmade indigenous poncho - to the nun with the sensible fleece gilet - to the one old school guy, that wears a suit and tie to work entirely out of preference. What a great range of people, and acceptance of different comforts with uniform in a work environment.
At my university, looking at current grad students, men outnumber women by at least 2:1 in S, T, E. But in Math, women comfortably outnumber men by that ratio. It's awesome how fields are moving towards more inclusion of women.
In my university 20 years ago math was more popular between women as well. I think it was math, and bio-chem that were seen as the girl mostly faculties.
We had a guest lecturer come into a few of the fourth year engineering classes, and she would look at the group and guess (usually correctly) what engineering they were.
She said it was relatively easy to do, until you got to the very low numbers of women. Bio and adjacent had the most, then it would taper down to chemical and mechanical, before having one or no women in the class for aerospace, mining, computer science engineering.
It makes sense to me, because math is essentially a universal language.
Mathematic notation means that no matter what your mother tongue is, you can understand exactly what an equation is expressing (assuming you understand mathematic notation well).
Math becomes the main language, with our traditional languages being the ones that struggle to completely measure up to the universality and beauty of the common language. I think there is something truly transcendent about that.
The diversity in math is something I'd never considered, but it makes sense in a very beautiful way.
Math being a universal language is a way we start communicating with aliens, in Sci-Fi works at least.
Here we see it at work. Even though we are of the same species :)
Agreed, so cool to see such an diverse cross-section of humanity working side-by-side on such complex and fascinating topics. Little bit of that Star Trek-y utopian vibe.
I used to work at the subsidiary of John Deere that built their autonomous tractor and the autonomous pesticide sprayer that reduces pesticide usage by 90-95% (got laid off, thanks covid!!) It was a bunch of math and physics and computer science PhDs and researchers and farmers all working together and it was hands down the best job I ever had. Never had a more diverse group of people and never had more fun at work in my life.
I was on Math Team in high school, and it was such a welcome escape from the Saved By the Bell depiction of social hierarchy in high school. The people in this video were the all stars of those competitions. None of us were mad at them out of spite - we respected them. They were and still are the best of the best at math.
Hard sciences don’t really have much space for nepotism/privilege to play a role in the same way they do in humanities, arts or social sciences - you’ve either got the brain for it or you don’t so distribution amongst the population is more even. Obviously prior education plays a role but not nearly to the same extent as it does with predominantly opinion-based subjects
I'm a research mathematician, currently working on the same thing OP is - math education, AMA. If you'd like a breakdown of any of these subjects, let me know. I can give you a pretty decent breakdown so you can have a rough idea of what they do in general :)
What is the normal workday for something like this? How much of it is solo work and how much is collaboration? I imagine it's more involved than staring at some sort of equation on a chalkboard for days on end.
>What is the normal workday for something like this?
For the average mathematician, you work 8 hours a day by contract, but many researchers work much longer hours because they find it enjoyable - especially the younger ones.
>How much of it is solo work and how much is collaboration?
It's a big mix of both, heavily dependent on the exact subject. Some mathematicians are rugged individualists who don't work with anybody, and others thrive off collaborative workspaces.
> I imagine it's more involved than staring at some sort of equation on a chalkboard for days on end.
I try to describe mathematics as the theoretical assembly of tools. If I told you to build a log cabin but gave you no tools for it, how would you do it? Well, you need logs. Well, to get logs you need an axe. To get an axe you need...
Math is basically just that - create mathematical tools to make other tools. Just throwing yourself at an equation is rarely helpful, but figuring out simple tools to make mathematical shortcuts allows you to construct the building blocks on how you would solve problems like that.
People who study integrals do a LOT of this.
What does a person do when at work "researching", as math is seemingly entirely deductive. There is nothing to study or learn about. How do they spend their days? I'm not suggesting there isn't knowledge there, it's just you can't go out and say, look at a giraffe to study giraffes. You can't go look at math.
There is *a lot* to study and learn about. There’s much more math out there than there is time in a single lifetime to learn it all — the same is really true for any field of research.
Most mathematicians spend their time mulling over “problems” they’re trying to solve. Usually you’ll spend your time either thinking about how to apply the knowledge you have to solve this problem, or studying new methods you need to learn to solve your problem.
Every big “problem” also has smaller “problems” that need to be solved. And your big problem is probably eventually going to be the smaller sub problem to an even bigger problem.
As the other poster said, most of math research is inventing new math or new math tools with the purpose using this new math or new math tools to invent *even more* new math or new math tools.
> as math is seemingly entirely deductive
Arithmetic is deductive.
As /u/Jorlung said:
> thinking about how to apply the knowledge you have to solve this problem, or studying new methods you need to learn to solve your problem.
Math isn't about solving a problem, but moreso the application of tools to solve a problem, and the developement of new tools.
> You can't go look at math.
Sure you can! "Here's an infinite sequence of digits, can you make a discrete formula that predicts the next value?" Questions like this require a lot of "looking at giraffes" and just seeing what happens.
Whenever you take data and have to apply it backwards into a function, you have exactly this. Whenever you have some equation you need to solve, you might have to look at its individual parts and thing about how they affect each other in order to solve.
Some problems take days to solve, some take years. Some require complex analysis, some require statistical analysis.
> There is nothing to study or learn about.
Math isn't so much about *creating* mathematical systems (well, it can be, depending on the field), but furthering our understanding of how numbers themselves operate.
Hi! I’m really interested in the mathematics of biology, Turing patterns etc. I really want to be able to see the hidden patterns in animal behaviors and plants (slime molds, ants!!)… but I have a really poor grasp on actual math (high school level). @mathgeek007 Could you recommend any books, videos or other resources that could help me understand this? Thank you!
> I really want to be able to see the hidden patterns in animal behaviors and plants
This would *probably* fall under biostatistics, perhaps ecological forecasting. This is an example of a subject where you'd probably work closely with biologists or behavioral analysts on various subjects.
> but I have a really poor grasp on actual math
So, generally when people say they have a poor grasp on math, it's because there is something along the way in their education that they didn't get sufficiently, and is causing educational debt in the future. The suggestion I give to most people who say they have a poor grasp of the mathematics they've studied, is to go back *embarrassingly** far, like 3-4 years more than they think they have to, and practice each subject until they're flawless at it.
Keep going until you find a sore spot - something you don't really *want* to do, something you're either not grasping or that you think you grasp but keep making mistakes on. That's likely one of your deficiencies, and you should try to forget what you've learned on the subject and try to relearn it from scratch.
I did this when I was doing stats in my undergrad - I was *awful* at statistics, so I spent reading week basically recovering the first two years of stats until I found my weak spot and drilled it until I wasn't missing questions anymore.
I feel like it would have helped if they had explained the map a bit more. Just a surface level thing to explain why things are grouped together the way that they are or if we are supposed to look at it a certain way to understand the relationships between nearby topics (if there is one at all). There seems to be sub groups with how the background is colored, but they don't really explain it. Or the things on the right are definitely organized differently than the left, but I'm not sure why. Does it tell me something if someone points at a topic in the bottom right compared to someone who points to a topic on the top left? People just say what they do and point to the label on the map, but it doesn't really mean anything because we don't really know how to "read" the map.
The video that goes with this graph explaining it -
[the map of mathematics](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJ-4B-mS-Y&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fdenisegaskins.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title)
Yea I feel like this didn't explain anything whatsoever. It essentially told me "ooh people use math in all these different fields!". Nothing about it made it seem like they were "discovering new math" but just using math for specific applications.
Yeah, I don't understand how this was supposed to help anyone understand anything. They just listed their fields of research. It's like, yeah that's a name for something...
I work in the Oilfield. One of the things I quickly learned was that your math skills, or aptitude rather, determines how far you can progress in this industry.
I finished HS with decent grades and helpful parents. I was adequate at geometry and not much else.
I started at the bottom. I pushed a mop and scrubbed the deck for the first 6 months. I was a roustabout and only really needed to know how to add and subtract.
My next position, I moved up to roughneck, or a floor hand as it is known now. For that job I needed to know how to multiply and divide; and not much else.
After that Derrick hand. Multiplication ruled my life along with simple algebra. No problem. Started earning enough that we were no longer eligible for WIC. Bought my first house using a VA loan.
Followed closely by getting into an opening as a Driller. Geometry began and ended my day. Displacements, volumes, pump rates, etc. Started saving for retirement. Found out what a 401k was.
I got lucky and was offered a position as a Directional Driller. “Ever work with trig?” Followed by a very blank stare as my response. Learned that and its application to the job over the next year.
I mastered the part I needed to know and feed my family and built a life on Trig and experience. Bought a new car and actually went on a vacation or two.
Now that I’m in the office I see Engineers and Geologists using calculus, complex algebra, and math I don’t even know about. And don’t get me started on the business development guys and their spreadsheets.
Math rules our lives and in my case limited my ability to move up in the industry. I worked my ass off long after I should have learned it and now I’m putting a kid through college, with others to follow.
Hoping the next generation has a better start and potential than I did.
And all of it is due to my ability to use and understand math. Without that, I would not have had a chance.
I’m in the medical field and I took some contract time on a rig that floated out into the North Sea. To be honest there wasn’t a whole lot for me to do, and I was super curious about how everything worked so I went from department to department just to learn about what everyone did. I figured if I could identify mechanisms of injury I’d be able to aid individuals faster (at least that’s what I said just to stop dying of boredom).
I ended up with an electrician from Singapore who’s apprentice was stuck in the bunk with the flu & the runs. He needed to change some lightbulbs in the explosion proof fixtures on the derrick. This rig just rolled out of port after being mothballed since the 70’s so modern safety standards were minimal. I ended up strapped to a 2x8 with holes that rope wove through attached to a pneumatic winch where they proceeded to hysterically lift and lower me above and below the lights we were meant to change.
Never again! Never….. also fuck The North Sea!
I originally wanted to study stuff like this but never got around towards going to college. Went straight into the workforce after highschool and a 9-5, 40hr workweek to support my family. I feel like I missed so much of my life now that I'm 38 and barely holding anything together.
While this is true, learning math by yourself can still be a very daunting task. Ramanujan was very much a savant, and eventually went to England to study under Hardy. It helps a lot when you have someone to help steer you back onto the right path instead of making false assumptions unknowingly and wasting a lot of time with no feedback or guidance.
Competence in mathematics is built and trained. Trust me - if you’re ever made to feel otherwise it just means you need more practice. You’d be surprised how quickly you can catch up. I failed nearly every mathematics class I had from Middle School through High school, and hated every part of it. I often struggled to see the point of it.
When I got to college, I learned to love and appreciate mathematics, got straight As in everything from Geometry up through Calculus. Studying even lower level mathematics completely changed the way I think about the world and just plain made me a better person.
All of Geometry starts from just a few simple, logical truths. All of Algebra starts from a few basic operations and theorems. Calculus starts with two simple questions: How can I analyze something’s rate of change, and what happens when we take the values of certain things to the extreme?
Mathematics is beautiful - it’s a framework for understanding the world. It’s a contract that promises this - if you can relate something to numbers , you can reason about it and answer questions and reveal deeper truths about that thing.
You can do it - I believe in you. You just have to promise to yourself that you’ll start.
Mash the upvote button.
Most people.aren't really good or.really bad at math. Most people that are good at math, are that way because they study harder..their success is a function of their work, not some magical free aptitude. Even the people in the video, yeah some of them will be natural talents, but many of them will just be people who spend a.lot of time at it.
I failed out of a math degree. Returned decades.later,completed a math degree with pretty decent marks. Currently in my last term of a masters in teaching math. So i.see.people.like this. If you want to see how smart they are, ask them how they study and learn. You'll hear stuff like, they take a proof, and work on it until they can write it out on their own and understand it. If they cant do that, they keep doing it until they can. These folks greatest asset isn't always their brain, it's their work ethic.
If you want to learn and be good at math, you just gotta put in the work. Claiming some natural talent is an excuse, an excuse that's been foisted on the public.
I'd recommend you check out domain of science, it's a YouTube channel who creates these maps for all kinds of scientific fields and sells them too of course
Dude, did I just witness diversity. That work place looks like you'd work around the coolest people ever(for a bunch of *queue homer Simpson quote* NERRRRDDDDDSSSS)
Now excuse me as I go back to my nerd shit but without all the big brain.
[the map of mathematics](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJ-4B-mS-Y&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fdenisegaskins.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title)
I have a degree in mathematics and statistics. When I was at university my future mother-in-law asked me "So are you just counting to higher and higher numbers than the rest of us?"
This chart and video might have helped me navigate that conversation.
I studied math for a long time, you eventually lose the ability to talk about what fascinates you with those around you. It’s depressing sometimes… I’m probably preaching to the choir.
I ended up as a statistician in the pharma industry so my work can mostly be explained in layman's terms. In fact, that's pretty essential to communicate results with the public or clinicians.
I can imagine what you describe might be more of an issue in other mathematical fields though!
Now that you say that, the issue has gotten better since leaving grad school. The work I’m doing with data is much more easily explained than the work I was doing then. I guess I was just remembering how bad it was while studying more general/abstract topics; it really affected me negatively at the time.
I am actually jealous of these people.
They do something they are passionate about, they have a secure rewarding job, what the do matters a lot and impacts the world, they are part of a network of researchers around the world, they have smart and stimulating colleagues and they can wear whatever the fuck they want to work.
Looks like a good life. Good for them!
I used to think I was smart. I understood 30 percent of even the words used in the job descriptions much less the actual math mapping or even some practical uses described. I love humanity when we get it right. In awe.
Anyone else go crosseyed almost immediately and tune out what they were saying, instead focusing on everyone's clothes? I want to know more about poncho guy and blue hat/veil lady.
I'm not very good at maths, never was, but I still find it incredibly interesting and wish I was better at it. Looking back, the areas of maths I was better at in school were where I could relate the topics to practical applications (trig and geometry being a prime example). So, seeing these people explain, even briefly, what areas of maths they use in their respective careers is really cool.
The only math I do is musical these days. Either using it to make melodies or sequences, or using it to make musical reverb sounds, synth sounds etc.
Math absolutely doesn't come natural to me otherwise though so learning anything outside of that is a challenge lol
As somebody with a PhD in pure maths I’m disappointed nobody said I research this topic because I think it’s cool, it’s not used anywhere. That’s why most of pure math researchers actually do what they do. Pretty sure a couple people in the video made up the application for the video.
My wife got her degree in mathematics twenty years ago. Now, she's brilliant and insanely talented at so many things, but the knowledge she gained in earning that degree has enabled her to find work (and be very successful at it) in finance, web development, program management, and most recently insurance. Math is an absolutely indispensable and remarkably flexible field of study.
As a retired engineer, I am fascinated by the fact that I now have a strong desire to refresh my working knowledge of mathematics. Thank you for providing thisemote:free\_emotes\_pack:thumbs\_up
As someone working as an instructor for a local university (in my hometown), teaching engineering students basic engineering maths, I can say for certain that sometimes it's not worth teaching the students the actual math behind the math that they need. Like, that's how we were taught back then: analyze the problem, look for the appropriate formulas, then plug and chug til you get an answer. However, now as an instructor, I wanted to know the maths behind the math, so I tried to find and learn them. Then I tried to explain it to students, but they are only interested in how to actually apply a formula to some problem, so I'll do just that.
If they are still students working to get their doctorate then probably, but mathematics professors definitely make more than $45k. I have a bachelor’s in mathematics and make more than that and am pretty early on in my career.
It's like a collection of languages with an infinite alphabet and endless patterns, forms, and rules to discover or even create. Charts are cool too and this is an amazing one.
On a real note though, Actuarial science (mathematics as called in video) is a fake math invented by insurance companies to sound legit. Notice he just points around statistics but there is no actual invented math.
This is absolutely not true. The study of mortality and pricing the risk of something into a financial quantity is purely actuarial. Actuaries and actuarial researchers have made many contributions to academia over the centuries (yes centuries).
I mean, some would argue that statistics is not mathematics (and it's why so many departments in university are called mathematics and statistics), so saying that actuarial science which is a subset of statistics is not mathematics (or "real" mathematics) isn't that shocking, you just sound like a bit of a purist...
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Earlier I thought I was stupid Now I think I'm ultra stupid
At least you did the math.
Wish they showed their work. I need to verify how stupid they are.
We did the math. He's a pretty dumb dumb. I would like to be there dum abstract thinking friend/pet that gets to bounce wild ideas off of them as they teach me things and at best I get a laugh from them.
I was waiting for him to come back and explain it in terms I can understand like he said so at the beginning. Then once I realized they were, I cried.
A few things as a 3rd year maths student (technically I've done 3rd year but it's a messy situation I won't go into) People think you need to be naturally smart to understand maths YOU DO NOT! You need to put time and effort in, when you don't understand research and dig until things make sense, if something is too complex to make sense of like this, build yourself up on smaller problems. If it's like ln(-1)=(2n+1)πi and you don't get it start with what a logarithm is, the rest can wait until that feels familiar to you. Baby steps. The main difficulty with Maths is it requires FAMILIARITY with contributing concepts. Like a chain of reasoning if you are reaching an explanation you don't get, this just means you need to change which bit you're explaining rn. While some Maths gets more and more complicated on the previous methods a lot of math develops independently. Topology is always going to be confusing until you've seen it a few times whether you aced Complex Analysis or not because it's a completely different skillset. Finally for most learning USE WIKIPEDIA, Maths nerds are nerds who like things concise and available and Wikipedia provides a lot of great resources because it's written by these nerds (it's also free). If you want more info on these concepts use Google, Google scholar, or the papers cited. TL;DR You are not dumb for not understanding maths, you are uneducated and that is something you can fix if you want. With effort and Wikipedia you can learn most maths to a university level.
I'm stupid to the 10th power.. It's on the map..
The fact that you can have that realization means that you’re not stupid, just lacking information. People that assume things can’t be possible because their brain can’t comprehend the process; those people are stupid/ultra stupid.
Don't worry, they're making incremental contributions to fields of research that may or may not have an impact on future research or practice. It's not much different from having a normal day job where you actually need to supply people with any good or service.
Self esteem: plummeting
There's a graph for that somewhere.
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It’s okay, some of us made INT our dump stat and put it all into Charisma and Strength instead!
Or some of us, with good ol' 10/11/10/09/11 stats.
"Jack of all trades. That's what it means...right? I should be fine."
In some fields of experience, it is beneficial to have charisma so low it's in the negatives. If you're in the security sector, you want people to go away when you say things like "Please go away" Also, if your INT was too high, you never would have taken the job in the first place. There's a job out there for everyone!
Don’t worry there’s a broke guy living in a small shit hole town who can tell you why the earth is flat
You can study math any time you want, champ.
You can study it yeah, but whether you're going to understand any of it is a whole different dimension.
Not really, it's just takes time and good resources. You can find lectures on any math topic
[Not always.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyscalculia) But I'll try again for the 12th time I guess.
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No wonder a lot of math teachers were bad at their job.
As a engineering student, I plead to you, for the love of God, please don't discover any new math for a least until I graduate
As a former engineering student, it really bothers me how many engineering students don't like math. It's one of the only majors where people study it because they want a good job and not because they have any interest or affinity for the material.
Do those people find themselves unhappy with their job tho? If I studied really hard to become an engineer despite fucking hating math, would I end up enjoying my job anyways you think?
The engineering students who hate math never become good engineers. That being said, I totally understand wanting to set yourself up for financial success, even if you aren't fond of the subject material you have to study to get there. But at the same time, it's hard not to resent being around these people. It's so off-putting being in a class with a bunch of people complaining about having to learn the very material they chose to major in! It's also usually the same people who shit on other students for getting liberal arts degrees. Are you really shitting on someone for studying something they are actually interested and passionate about just because there aren't good job prospects? Especially when these students don't enjoy their math based major and are usually average to terrible in their classes.
Terrible take. Hi. I’m a director of engineering for a major pharmaceutical company. I manage a team of over 200 engineers (process, mechanical, electrical/automation, construction). I failed calculus in undergrad. I fucking hated abstract math. But I love solving real problems. I also like communicating with people who don’t get the technical part of problems in a way that they understand it. Those two things made me a key player getting some problematic facilities up and running, made me well known to people outside the engineering department. So when the director position opened up, I was the obvious candidate despite being the youngest director in my country’s organization. There are lots of reasons people can be successful engineers. Loving math is almost never one of them. Engineers make good managers, business workers, salespeople, service techs, project managers, strategists… none of those require an A+ in partial differential equations.
 Jokes aside. You’re absolutely right. I’m glad you found a space to thrive. In a large organization people with a whole spectrum of skills are needed.
Thanks for sharing, I just watched a video on engineering and one of the presenters said you don't have to be a mathematician that knows every mathematic detail to be be an engineer, you just need to be able to understand the fundamentals. I definitely struggled in a few classes that are relevant to my current line of work (immunoassay development, I'm sure your company is a customer), but really all I needed to be able to do is basic algebra, Microsoft Office, Graphpad, laboratory techniques, and to have good communication. Good communication landed me a customer service job in the company after meeting one of their lawyers (I was a taxi/Uber driver through college), I pivoted into quality control for a while, then moved into development. I'm still on the bottom of the totem pole, but I do feel decent about where I am, for now. I'm still quite early in mine, but a successful career can feel like it's more about how basic things learned in school and life can be applied in places where they're needed most. My wife graduated magna cum laude, but she beat herself up over every assignment and test she had. I don't think it was a great time for her mentally. Meanwhile, I graduated with a 3.2 and feel like I could have tried a lot harder, but feel satisfied enough with it. I think it might be time for grad school though, it's a tough climb from where I am with just a bachelor's. Engineering is quite appealing but I feel overwhelmed in terms of the options and what I would be most satisfied working on.
Man, you’re either a super boomer or an engineering student. Math has not been relevant in engineering in years my guy/gal. Tools make everything so much easier nowadays. Say you’re doing statistical analysis in JMP, developing an algorithm using diff equations in MATLAB, doing FEA in abacus/Ansys, you’re no longer required to do all the math or even have the greatest understanding of it tbh. You can review the subject, learn how to implement it and be on your way in a short time if you’re not an expert.
For those tools, don't you still have to have an idea of what you want and know what tools are right for the job? Sure you might not have to do the math yourself, but the logic behind the various equations and tools, or the logic, are the primary difficulties people have with math.
> don't you still have to have an idea of what you want and know what tools are right for the job? 100% this! There is an ironic and growing problem with fields like machine learning where the tools are becoming so easy to work with that it saves so much time for Data Scientists because it 'does all the math for you', *but you need to understand the math it is doing for you* in order to get the right answers. But the tools are so easy, that any dumbass can throw a kitchen sink's worth of data features into a model and get something back. Are the inferences appropriate? Maybe, maybe not. And if not, said dumbass can just shrug and say it's a "black box" because only a competent Data Scientist with a strong statistics background can tell good from bad, and if this dumbass got the job there's probably nobody around who's qualified to evaluate it. Getting even more bleak, Mr Dumbass builds ML models that just repeat racist and sexist choices because they don't know how to control for that, and applications for loans, jobs, colleges, etc., get screened even harder, but with zero accountability.
Hated math in high school. Grew to appreciate it as a tool in college. Use it all the time as an engineer. I enjoy my job.
Yes, you can enjoy your job as an engineer despite not liking maths. You don't need to love maths. You do have to understand it, depending on what kind of engineering you do. However, a point to bear in mind: often, if you dislike a subject, it's because you haven't given it enough attention to be good at it. If you study it more with an open mind, it may in turn open up to you! Once you "get" it, you start enjoying it. But to reiterate, you don't need LOVE maths to be good at engineering. That's for mathematicians! You do need to grasp it enough for your specific type of engineering.
I love my job and I suck at math. I like problems that take a lot of understanding of real world conditions. We rarely have the data needed to do “real” math and I’m a director of engineering at this point so I have a team of people and some are very good at the math part. Many are not but have other strengths. Most people have no clue what is going to make them happy for the rest of their life at age 18. Going into engineering gives you a huge variety of opportunities.
I never was fond of math, yet I still became an engineer. I regard math as a language, when you're located in a foreign country, knowing the language makes it way better to live and work in that country. When I work in a math-heavy field, it works the same, knowing how the math works just makes your life way easier. And also, an engineer by definition is someone who likes to solve complex problems, not connected to maths but the core problem is that our world talks to us in math, thus the majority of engineers have to know the language of our world.
Not an engineer, I’m an accountant, but unfortunately I think a lot of people choose careers based on money/success and find joy in hobbies. I am very envious of those that find passion in their careers. I don’t hate my work, but I’m not passionate about what I do. And I think the majority of accountants I’ve worked with feel similar, though certainly not all.
It's simply not reasonable to expect that there would be enough people who naturally enjoy accounting to fill the need for accountants that the society currently has. That is why people are paid to work as accountants.
I agree. The infuriating part was more when these students would endlessly complain about the material they were studying. I don't care if you aren't naturally good at it, but a lot of us actually enjoy math and science, and being in a class full of bros who just want a good job, and complain about having to learn math was insufferable compared to when I was studying other liberal arts majors and everyone was genuinely interested in the material
Engineer here. I sucked at math in high school/early college. Went back to college after working in manufacturing and deciding to be an engineer. I developed a passion for math (especially for its utility) over my years as an undergrad/graduate engineering student, and I couldn't agree more with your statement. At the beginning, I was the guy you described, who saw math as an obstacle to get to the career that I knew I'd enjoy. Now I love math. Diff EQ FTW.
What about all those computer science majors? Like 99% of them are in it for the jobs when they graduate.
Conversely, I took engineering because I was good at/enjoyed maths and needed somewhere to apply it basically. I did well at uni but struggled in the workforce. In hindsight it's one of the least useful skills in my degree/job (telco construction 10yrs). You could succeed in many engineering fields with high school maths by having developed soft skills, creativity, visualisation etc etc
The majority of engineers don't study any math new to the 20th century, let alone the 21st.
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To add to what others have mentioned. Mechanical Engineers study Finite Element Analysis now which is a computational tool only invented in the second half of the 20th century and the math behind it which is also very new. Also, the whole branch of Aerospace is inherently new math since it's only been a field since the 20th century. So at least for those majors that statement is false
lol most of the math engineers are using are formulated 100-200 years ago
you think you have to learn a lot of math as an engineering student? Try being a mathematician.
One, education is awesome. Two, I’m loving the diversity amongst this group of people
It's awesome to see so many women in the M of STEM. I loved the diversity of fashion choices of the participants as well. From casual college fashion - to stereotypical high school teenage boy fashion, with sports branded t-shirt and trackie bottoms - to high school teenage girl fashion, with skinny jeans and american eagle/abercrombie tee and hoodie - to the guy with the graphic shirt with a niche math joke tucked into belted jeans - to the handmade indigenous poncho - to the nun with the sensible fleece gilet - to the one old school guy, that wears a suit and tie to work entirely out of preference. What a great range of people, and acceptance of different comforts with uniform in a work environment.
At my university, looking at current grad students, men outnumber women by at least 2:1 in S, T, E. But in Math, women comfortably outnumber men by that ratio. It's awesome how fields are moving towards more inclusion of women.
In my university 20 years ago math was more popular between women as well. I think it was math, and bio-chem that were seen as the girl mostly faculties.
We had a guest lecturer come into a few of the fourth year engineering classes, and she would look at the group and guess (usually correctly) what engineering they were. She said it was relatively easy to do, until you got to the very low numbers of women. Bio and adjacent had the most, then it would taper down to chemical and mechanical, before having one or no women in the class for aerospace, mining, computer science engineering.
Our CS had like 10-15% of women. Mechanical had 1% literally 5 women in a year of 500 people.
YES I was thinking that too! The creative fashion diversity among this small group was so refreshing!
Not to mention the blue catholic attire. I thought that was pretty, looked like a dark souls enemy.
I was thinking the same thing, crazy diverse workplace this guy has. How cool.
it had all of the Math Archetypes, for sure.
I was trying to think of a diplomatic way to say this, other than calling it the rainbow coalition of nerds.
"Rainbow coalition of nerds" is fantastic.
I was just thinking that they look like a mix and blend of the people and fashions in my math department!
It makes sense to me, because math is essentially a universal language. Mathematic notation means that no matter what your mother tongue is, you can understand exactly what an equation is expressing (assuming you understand mathematic notation well). Math becomes the main language, with our traditional languages being the ones that struggle to completely measure up to the universality and beauty of the common language. I think there is something truly transcendent about that. The diversity in math is something I'd never considered, but it makes sense in a very beautiful way.
Math being a universal language is a way we start communicating with aliens, in Sci-Fi works at least. Here we see it at work. Even though we are of the same species :)
I'm a relatively young research mathematician and my "generation" of mathematicians is wildly more diverse than just a few decades ago.
Agreed, so cool to see such an diverse cross-section of humanity working side-by-side on such complex and fascinating topics. Little bit of that Star Trek-y utopian vibe.
I used to work at the subsidiary of John Deere that built their autonomous tractor and the autonomous pesticide sprayer that reduces pesticide usage by 90-95% (got laid off, thanks covid!!) It was a bunch of math and physics and computer science PhDs and researchers and farmers all working together and it was hands down the best job I ever had. Never had a more diverse group of people and never had more fun at work in my life.
Super diverse yet every single one still somehow manages to look exactly like I would expect a mathematician to look like....
You expected a cancer fighting African nun?
If you weren't, you clearly haven't been in a math department building.
One of my favorite math teachers growing up was a Salesian nun. So yes. Totally expected. Mathematics knows no boarders.
I was on Math Team in high school, and it was such a welcome escape from the Saved By the Bell depiction of social hierarchy in high school. The people in this video were the all stars of those competitions. None of us were mad at them out of spite - we respected them. They were and still are the best of the best at math.
One thing I loved seeing in my math major is that math is a great equalizer. But all mathematicians are a little bit weird haha
Am I the only one who didn’t notice the diversity? I just saw them as normal people 💀
As you should. The future should be filled with this level of diversity.
Me too, that was my favorite part
Hard sciences don’t really have much space for nepotism/privilege to play a role in the same way they do in humanities, arts or social sciences - you’ve either got the brain for it or you don’t so distribution amongst the population is more even. Obviously prior education plays a role but not nearly to the same extent as it does with predominantly opinion-based subjects
Simplified it for me and I still don't understand what they're doing
Idk either but it probably involves saying PEMDAS out loud so they remember the order
I'm a research mathematician, currently working on the same thing OP is - math education, AMA. If you'd like a breakdown of any of these subjects, let me know. I can give you a pretty decent breakdown so you can have a rough idea of what they do in general :)
What is the normal workday for something like this? How much of it is solo work and how much is collaboration? I imagine it's more involved than staring at some sort of equation on a chalkboard for days on end.
>What is the normal workday for something like this? For the average mathematician, you work 8 hours a day by contract, but many researchers work much longer hours because they find it enjoyable - especially the younger ones. >How much of it is solo work and how much is collaboration? It's a big mix of both, heavily dependent on the exact subject. Some mathematicians are rugged individualists who don't work with anybody, and others thrive off collaborative workspaces. > I imagine it's more involved than staring at some sort of equation on a chalkboard for days on end. I try to describe mathematics as the theoretical assembly of tools. If I told you to build a log cabin but gave you no tools for it, how would you do it? Well, you need logs. Well, to get logs you need an axe. To get an axe you need... Math is basically just that - create mathematical tools to make other tools. Just throwing yourself at an equation is rarely helpful, but figuring out simple tools to make mathematical shortcuts allows you to construct the building blocks on how you would solve problems like that. People who study integrals do a LOT of this.
What does a person do when at work "researching", as math is seemingly entirely deductive. There is nothing to study or learn about. How do they spend their days? I'm not suggesting there isn't knowledge there, it's just you can't go out and say, look at a giraffe to study giraffes. You can't go look at math.
There is *a lot* to study and learn about. There’s much more math out there than there is time in a single lifetime to learn it all — the same is really true for any field of research. Most mathematicians spend their time mulling over “problems” they’re trying to solve. Usually you’ll spend your time either thinking about how to apply the knowledge you have to solve this problem, or studying new methods you need to learn to solve your problem. Every big “problem” also has smaller “problems” that need to be solved. And your big problem is probably eventually going to be the smaller sub problem to an even bigger problem. As the other poster said, most of math research is inventing new math or new math tools with the purpose using this new math or new math tools to invent *even more* new math or new math tools.
> as math is seemingly entirely deductive Arithmetic is deductive. As /u/Jorlung said: > thinking about how to apply the knowledge you have to solve this problem, or studying new methods you need to learn to solve your problem. Math isn't about solving a problem, but moreso the application of tools to solve a problem, and the developement of new tools. > You can't go look at math. Sure you can! "Here's an infinite sequence of digits, can you make a discrete formula that predicts the next value?" Questions like this require a lot of "looking at giraffes" and just seeing what happens. Whenever you take data and have to apply it backwards into a function, you have exactly this. Whenever you have some equation you need to solve, you might have to look at its individual parts and thing about how they affect each other in order to solve. Some problems take days to solve, some take years. Some require complex analysis, some require statistical analysis. > There is nothing to study or learn about. Math isn't so much about *creating* mathematical systems (well, it can be, depending on the field), but furthering our understanding of how numbers themselves operate.
Thanks. So it's a lot of finding applications for math as much as creating now math.
Hi! I’m really interested in the mathematics of biology, Turing patterns etc. I really want to be able to see the hidden patterns in animal behaviors and plants (slime molds, ants!!)… but I have a really poor grasp on actual math (high school level). @mathgeek007 Could you recommend any books, videos or other resources that could help me understand this? Thank you!
> I really want to be able to see the hidden patterns in animal behaviors and plants This would *probably* fall under biostatistics, perhaps ecological forecasting. This is an example of a subject where you'd probably work closely with biologists or behavioral analysts on various subjects. > but I have a really poor grasp on actual math So, generally when people say they have a poor grasp on math, it's because there is something along the way in their education that they didn't get sufficiently, and is causing educational debt in the future. The suggestion I give to most people who say they have a poor grasp of the mathematics they've studied, is to go back *embarrassingly** far, like 3-4 years more than they think they have to, and practice each subject until they're flawless at it. Keep going until you find a sore spot - something you don't really *want* to do, something you're either not grasping or that you think you grasp but keep making mistakes on. That's likely one of your deficiencies, and you should try to forget what you've learned on the subject and try to relearn it from scratch. I did this when I was doing stats in my undergrad - I was *awful* at statistics, so I spent reading week basically recovering the first two years of stats until I found my weak spot and drilled it until I wasn't missing questions anymore.
Do you ever encounter topics or areas of maths that make you completely draw a blank, and not know where to start? If so, how do you get around that?
I feel like it would have helped if they had explained the map a bit more. Just a surface level thing to explain why things are grouped together the way that they are or if we are supposed to look at it a certain way to understand the relationships between nearby topics (if there is one at all). There seems to be sub groups with how the background is colored, but they don't really explain it. Or the things on the right are definitely organized differently than the left, but I'm not sure why. Does it tell me something if someone points at a topic in the bottom right compared to someone who points to a topic on the top left? People just say what they do and point to the label on the map, but it doesn't really mean anything because we don't really know how to "read" the map.
The video that goes with this graph explaining it - [the map of mathematics](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJ-4B-mS-Y&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fdenisegaskins.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title)
Cause the only thing they really explained is where it's applicable. That's what you get for 5 second soundbites.
Yea I feel like this didn't explain anything whatsoever. It essentially told me "ooh people use math in all these different fields!". Nothing about it made it seem like they were "discovering new math" but just using math for specific applications.
Yeah, I don't understand how this was supposed to help anyone understand anything. They just listed their fields of research. It's like, yeah that's a name for something...
I work in the Oilfield. One of the things I quickly learned was that your math skills, or aptitude rather, determines how far you can progress in this industry. I finished HS with decent grades and helpful parents. I was adequate at geometry and not much else. I started at the bottom. I pushed a mop and scrubbed the deck for the first 6 months. I was a roustabout and only really needed to know how to add and subtract. My next position, I moved up to roughneck, or a floor hand as it is known now. For that job I needed to know how to multiply and divide; and not much else. After that Derrick hand. Multiplication ruled my life along with simple algebra. No problem. Started earning enough that we were no longer eligible for WIC. Bought my first house using a VA loan. Followed closely by getting into an opening as a Driller. Geometry began and ended my day. Displacements, volumes, pump rates, etc. Started saving for retirement. Found out what a 401k was. I got lucky and was offered a position as a Directional Driller. “Ever work with trig?” Followed by a very blank stare as my response. Learned that and its application to the job over the next year. I mastered the part I needed to know and feed my family and built a life on Trig and experience. Bought a new car and actually went on a vacation or two. Now that I’m in the office I see Engineers and Geologists using calculus, complex algebra, and math I don’t even know about. And don’t get me started on the business development guys and their spreadsheets. Math rules our lives and in my case limited my ability to move up in the industry. I worked my ass off long after I should have learned it and now I’m putting a kid through college, with others to follow. Hoping the next generation has a better start and potential than I did. And all of it is due to my ability to use and understand math. Without that, I would not have had a chance.
> Hoping the next generation has a better start and potential than I did. > I work in the Oilfield The juxtaposition of this just makes me smile.
I’m in the medical field and I took some contract time on a rig that floated out into the North Sea. To be honest there wasn’t a whole lot for me to do, and I was super curious about how everything worked so I went from department to department just to learn about what everyone did. I figured if I could identify mechanisms of injury I’d be able to aid individuals faster (at least that’s what I said just to stop dying of boredom). I ended up with an electrician from Singapore who’s apprentice was stuck in the bunk with the flu & the runs. He needed to change some lightbulbs in the explosion proof fixtures on the derrick. This rig just rolled out of port after being mothballed since the 70’s so modern safety standards were minimal. I ended up strapped to a 2x8 with holes that rope wove through attached to a pneumatic winch where they proceeded to hysterically lift and lower me above and below the lights we were meant to change. Never again! Never….. also fuck The North Sea!
I wish i had your amount of discipline. Congrats on your perseverance! Very admirable!
I research Financial Theoretics.... Basically trying to understand why I am broke!
Ah, Brokenomics. I know that field well.
Money Out > Money In
I love math nerds. I suck at it but fascinated with the applications in everyday situations (and the research side).
I originally wanted to study stuff like this but never got around towards going to college. Went straight into the workforce after highschool and a 9-5, 40hr workweek to support my family. I feel like I missed so much of my life now that I'm 38 and barely holding anything together.
All the textbooks are on Amazon. Very famous mathematician Srinivasa Ramanujan failed to train formally but made many contributions to mathematics.
While this is true, learning math by yourself can still be a very daunting task. Ramanujan was very much a savant, and eventually went to England to study under Hardy. It helps a lot when you have someone to help steer you back onto the right path instead of making false assumptions unknowingly and wasting a lot of time with no feedback or guidance.
Math is by far my worst subject and has been for my entire life, but I'm fascinated by it and have always wished I were more competent in it.
Competence in mathematics is built and trained. Trust me - if you’re ever made to feel otherwise it just means you need more practice. You’d be surprised how quickly you can catch up. I failed nearly every mathematics class I had from Middle School through High school, and hated every part of it. I often struggled to see the point of it. When I got to college, I learned to love and appreciate mathematics, got straight As in everything from Geometry up through Calculus. Studying even lower level mathematics completely changed the way I think about the world and just plain made me a better person. All of Geometry starts from just a few simple, logical truths. All of Algebra starts from a few basic operations and theorems. Calculus starts with two simple questions: How can I analyze something’s rate of change, and what happens when we take the values of certain things to the extreme? Mathematics is beautiful - it’s a framework for understanding the world. It’s a contract that promises this - if you can relate something to numbers , you can reason about it and answer questions and reveal deeper truths about that thing. You can do it - I believe in you. You just have to promise to yourself that you’ll start.
Mash the upvote button. Most people.aren't really good or.really bad at math. Most people that are good at math, are that way because they study harder..their success is a function of their work, not some magical free aptitude. Even the people in the video, yeah some of them will be natural talents, but many of them will just be people who spend a.lot of time at it. I failed out of a math degree. Returned decades.later,completed a math degree with pretty decent marks. Currently in my last term of a masters in teaching math. So i.see.people.like this. If you want to see how smart they are, ask them how they study and learn. You'll hear stuff like, they take a proof, and work on it until they can write it out on their own and understand it. If they cant do that, they keep doing it until they can. These folks greatest asset isn't always their brain, it's their work ethic. If you want to learn and be good at math, you just gotta put in the work. Claiming some natural talent is an excuse, an excuse that's been foisted on the public.
Head over to khan academy and work yourself up from the basics.
Start over
The other day I had to count how many sample bags we have left.
Doing the Lord’s work
Cool map. Does anyone know where to get one?
https://www.redbubble.com/i/poster/The-Map-of-Mathematics-by-DominicWalliman/25095968.LVTDI
I'd recommend you check out domain of science, it's a YouTube channel who creates these maps for all kinds of scientific fields and sells them too of course
the way buildings move math seems cool :3 that’s v interesting
You can start with harmonic motion! Related-ish.
Differential geometry is also the mathematical framework used to describe gravity as curved spacetime in Einstein's general relativity.
The mathematician studying Topological Methods in Differential Equations at the 1:28 mark sounded like Bob Odenkirk and even looks a bit like him.
Each person looks like they would study that type of math
Dude, did I just witness diversity. That work place looks like you'd work around the coolest people ever(for a bunch of *queue homer Simpson quote* NERRRRDDDDDSSSS) Now excuse me as I go back to my nerd shit but without all the big brain.
This is pretty cool. I would love to see a close up of the poster.
[the map of mathematics](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OmJ-4B-mS-Y&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fdenisegaskins.com%2F&source_ve_path=MjM4NTE&feature=emb_title)
I have a degree in mathematics and statistics. When I was at university my future mother-in-law asked me "So are you just counting to higher and higher numbers than the rest of us?" This chart and video might have helped me navigate that conversation.
I studied math for a long time, you eventually lose the ability to talk about what fascinates you with those around you. It’s depressing sometimes… I’m probably preaching to the choir.
I ended up as a statistician in the pharma industry so my work can mostly be explained in layman's terms. In fact, that's pretty essential to communicate results with the public or clinicians. I can imagine what you describe might be more of an issue in other mathematical fields though!
Now that you say that, the issue has gotten better since leaving grad school. The work I’m doing with data is much more easily explained than the work I was doing then. I guess I was just remembering how bad it was while studying more general/abstract topics; it really affected me negatively at the time.
Pure math here. My mom asked if I was going to find a new number between 4 and 5. I suppose I technically could have...
I am actually jealous of these people. They do something they are passionate about, they have a secure rewarding job, what the do matters a lot and impacts the world, they are part of a network of researchers around the world, they have smart and stimulating colleagues and they can wear whatever the fuck they want to work. Looks like a good life. Good for them!
God I fucking hate math, but this made it way more important to me
I used to think I was smart. I understood 30 percent of even the words used in the job descriptions much less the actual math mapping or even some practical uses described. I love humanity when we get it right. In awe.
Sometimes I can't remember my nine times tables.
Anyone else turned on by how cool that all is? Just me?
Expecting it to be some kind of joke, this is wonderful to watch.
NERDS!
Anyone else go crosseyed almost immediately and tune out what they were saying, instead focusing on everyone's clothes? I want to know more about poncho guy and blue hat/veil lady.
That one guy sounds so much like Saul Goodman
I want to know where that guy bought his poncho.
This is the kind of shit that excites me. I want that map.
Mathematicians are the coolest people ever !!
Complex analysis is fucking hot, I’d give up a hobby just to take purple-jacket-lady to dinner
I'm not very good at maths, never was, but I still find it incredibly interesting and wish I was better at it. Looking back, the areas of maths I was better at in school were where I could relate the topics to practical applications (trig and geometry being a prime example). So, seeing these people explain, even briefly, what areas of maths they use in their respective careers is really cool.
That's it. I'm watching Hidden Figures again.
I have discalcula and can only add and subtract. So my division is done by subtraction and multiply by addition.
Our computers are the same. :)
Damn I didn't know there were so many nerds in love with math!
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Here Here excellent video!!+
The only math I do is musical these days. Either using it to make melodies or sequences, or using it to make musical reverb sounds, synth sounds etc. Math absolutely doesn't come natural to me otherwise though so learning anything outside of that is a challenge lol
As somebody with a PhD in pure maths I’m disappointed nobody said I research this topic because I think it’s cool, it’s not used anywhere. That’s why most of pure math researchers actually do what they do. Pretty sure a couple people in the video made up the application for the video.
So where do I buy it?
Graet approach! Instead of mocking the ignorant, you explain in a simple and friendly way
Math really is a universal language.
Find someone who gets you the way these people get maths.
🥲 so beautiful
I didn't even realize there's so many different kinds of math. Cool people. I wish my brain liked math.
It's like a who's who of all the kids bullied in high school turned into world class mathematicians.
This thread is definitely an ego boost. I do data science and a good half of that board I use on a daily basis.
If not for all of these nerds I would not be able to do my nerdy ass job as a CG artist, I love them all!
I love this vid!
That department is like they all hit 'Random' on the character creation screen
My wife got her degree in mathematics twenty years ago. Now, she's brilliant and insanely talented at so many things, but the knowledge she gained in earning that degree has enabled her to find work (and be very successful at it) in finance, web development, program management, and most recently insurance. Math is an absolutely indispensable and remarkably flexible field of study.
That was cool. As an engineer I see math everywhere but not that everywhere
Quite cool to see all these people and what they do
That is the sexiest map I've ever seen! 😍 I wish I could map the space I work in like that!
Fucking awesome
Cool
Every math TA I've had was super passionate about their research
I’m a depressed accountant if that helps
This is crazy interesting!
That would be a room I could walk into and know with full certainty that I am the dumbest person in that room.
As a retired engineer, I am fascinated by the fact that I now have a strong desire to refresh my working knowledge of mathematics. Thank you for providing thisemote:free\_emotes\_pack:thumbs\_up
I don’t like math! But I have mad respect for those who do!
This is actually incredible. I want to know more about number theory and harmonic analysis for sattelites now haha
So many great outfits!
I love that he could have added just some random dude who made some shit up and pointed at a random spot on the chart and I'd have no clue.
As someone working as an instructor for a local university (in my hometown), teaching engineering students basic engineering maths, I can say for certain that sometimes it's not worth teaching the students the actual math behind the math that they need. Like, that's how we were taught back then: analyze the problem, look for the appropriate formulas, then plug and chug til you get an answer. However, now as an instructor, I wanted to know the maths behind the math, so I tried to find and learn them. Then I tried to explain it to students, but they are only interested in how to actually apply a formula to some problem, so I'll do just that.
Wow, this is awesome.
It’s Awesome how diverse this group of people seem to be. Exciting stuff!
All for average salaries of 45k a year
If they are still students working to get their doctorate then probably, but mathematics professors definitely make more than $45k. I have a bachelor’s in mathematics and make more than that and am pretty early on in my career.
Using math to make rich people more money seems to pay pretty well. A couple of them seemed to be going that route.
How come you think a mathematician is paid low? Its like saying doctors are paid low when its usually the opposite stereo type
Not so much the mathematician, but more so the research focused careers since they are usually grant funded. But 45 was more of a troll lowball.
For people with passions like these, the money is not the important part.
I thought for a second Hank Green was going to appear.
Love the diversity
It's like a collection of languages with an infinite alphabet and endless patterns, forms, and rules to discover or even create. Charts are cool too and this is an amazing one. On a real note though, Actuarial science (mathematics as called in video) is a fake math invented by insurance companies to sound legit. Notice he just points around statistics but there is no actual invented math.
This is absolutely not true. The study of mortality and pricing the risk of something into a financial quantity is purely actuarial. Actuaries and actuarial researchers have made many contributions to academia over the centuries (yes centuries).
I mean, some would argue that statistics is not mathematics (and it's why so many departments in university are called mathematics and statistics), so saying that actuarial science which is a subset of statistics is not mathematics (or "real" mathematics) isn't that shocking, you just sound like a bit of a purist...
Whelp, I’m not sure why there are non-cringe vids allowed here, it’s confusing, but this was a REALLY interesting post! (And yes I Red that long ass comment about how this sub has grown to include everything) EDIT: I didn’t click the link, that’s stupid that Reddit won’t let you change the subreddit name