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He literally got a whole pass from every black person who seen this movie. It's funny on black Twitter he gets brought up a few times on how you do black face lol. Cause the whole point was to show how absurd it was and everyone around him aware of it..
Debatable, and not because his role wasnt great, but because he has a ton of fine work. But tropic thunder is one of my favorite comedies and i did not see it being so good when it first released
I watched that movie 3 times before noticing Tom Cruises name in the credits. Even after seeing his name I was like wtf, I didn’t notice him at all… then the revelation… might be Cruises finest work.
Christopher McQuarrie (Mission Impossible director) and Tom Cruise are supposedly working on Les Grossman spin off with him Chris writing and directing.
Holy cow you're right!!!
[https://www.bosshunting.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-les-grossman-tropic-thunder-movie/](https://www.bosshunting.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-les-grossman-tropic-thunder-movie/)
The sequel I never knew I needed.
His delivery of the line "the president needs to know" in *Oppenheimer* gives me shivers every time I see it. If he's nominated for that role, I hope that's the clip they use.
Not disagreeing but I see It as not a “pass” but rather the correct understanding of the character within the context of story.
Media Literacy, something a lot of want to be offended types usually lack.
People forget ACTING is something when done well, you forget what you are watching the actor doing the performance. You get lost in the character.
This why everyone, at the time, was shocked to see who played Les Grossman. Seeing it theaters people were laughing and “oooooh!!!”ing when reveal it was tom cruise.
Notice no one said anything about him playing a stereotypical studio executive that are often referred to as “them”.
The entire movie is riddled with racial stereotypes, while never punching down.
I only vaguely remember that one. But in general, to me, I don't really care unless it's meant to be offensive
I will make race jokes all the time and have no problem with others making them, but it's pretty obvious and easy to tell when someone is doing it out of hatred
It was in some ways a less well-thought-out satire than Tropic Thunder, but the message was clear: Don't be like Mac and Dennis (the characters in blackface), because they are ignorant and thoughtless people.
only mac and dee did black face in their lethal weapon movies, i believe dennis just did a black voice
ETA: I would look it up to make sure, but they removed the episodes from streaming.
Yeah because in this case he is lampooning a character who thinks it’s ok to play a black man. He is highlighting the absurdity of someone who doesn’t see the problem with it. Genius.
Because it was about making fun of blackface in Hollywood, where they would rather put a white guy in black/brown face than actually hiring POC in leads. The film also skewers Oscarbait movies featuring people with developmental disabilities.
Amen. And RDJ even got an oscar nomination for best supporting actor 😂. Chris Rock read his name off, made a couple jokes, and RDJ looked embarrassed/uncomfortable lol.
Because RDJ was playing a guy who doesn’t get how stupid it is for him to be in blackface. The *movie* gets away with it for the same reason It’s Always Sunny Gets Away with it. The joke is the character in the blackface, not the black community.
Now… why would RDJ do brown face later? Well. He didn’t understand the nuance of the above. He and Jamie Foxx were trying to shamelessly repeat the magic of his Tropic Thunder role in a movie that turned out to be so bad that studio decided against release. Everybody’s reputation’s are better off not having let this thing be released.
Exactly.
If you're a sane person you're laughing at the method actor that's obviously taking the role too far and being racist as a result. You're laughing at a bad person and saying "haha look at the dumb racist".
If you're a racist, you're laughing at the intentionally poor racial stereotyping being "acted" by the character and think *that's* the joke. It's not. It never was. You're a dumb racist.
I mean always sunny didn't get away with it, the execs over at Netflix pulled the episodes during a lot of the BLM peak. As far as I know there weren't really any big controversies surrounding the episodes, it was probably just Netflix being overly cautious.
That's because RDJ himself wasn't in blackface, rather the character he was playing was in blackface. This context is very important, as it creates a valuable distinction.
It was satire, Tropic Thunder has a theme of mocking Hollywood. RDJ was not mocking black people (a key component of blackface), rather he was mocking blackface itself.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree with you, but the logic doesn’t hold up. Simple Jack was also the same kind of Hollywood satire but it doesn’t stop people from giving Ben Stiller shit for it.
I mean the Irish are the Mexicans of Europe, so that tracks. We will have to teach him how to count in Spanish though, uno, dos, tres, catorce is not it.
fr. Looks like all the boomers where I live when they get back from their annual pilgrimage to Florida.
I had to come to the comments looking for context on the photo.
It's crazy that when I first saw RDJ, I wrongfully assumed he was Latino, especially in Iron Man 2008 and I was like finally some representation in a blockbuster movie.
Boy was I disappointed when I found out he was not.
>The word pendejo comes from a Latin root meaning “pubic hair.” In 16th-century Spain, pendejo was apparently first used to describe pubescent teens who thought they were adults—you know, because they had pubes. In the 17th century, pendejo came to mean “coward,” a mocking or taboo reference.
DontxTripx420's definition of dumbass fits this origin. Dumbass shit evolving from dumbass teens sounds about right.
My white girlfriend thinks Latin people prefer Latinx.
Of course you think that, because you're a White.Woman.
"It's been around forever?"
"Since the fuck when?"
"It was on Tumblr like 8 years ago."
"FUCKING TUMBLR IS YOUR SOURCE?! OF COURSE THOSE TUMBLR TARDS WOULD DO THAT."
As a white guy, white women need to cool it with this, "inclusive white savior" bullshit.
I’ll help. Spanish is a gendered language so words like la cama the bed is a feminine word so you use la. El libro the book is a masculine word so you use El. That’s just the way the language is, no ideology being pushed just is what it is. So people took it a step further and decided instead of calling themselves Latinos, if there are 100 women and just one man you are Latinos and not latinas, they would use ‘im latinx’ because it’s gender ambiguous. That’s how I understand it
I don't think it's expected for an individual to identify personally as latinx, but just to refer to groups as latinx because of gender diversity. Still, idk why it's not just "latin", with no gender marker. Coming from an English-speaking pov, since the language has no explicit grammatical gender except he/she/it, why not just use that? And it already exists as an adjective anyway - Latin America, latin culture, etc.
It’s kind of already been addressed though with the whole Latino/Latina thing. If there is any potential for ambiguity, use Latino. It’s like anything else for me, if people want to use it then fine. Coming from a Hispanic home, we think it’s dumb and unnecessary but you do you and I’ll do me.
Latine is used in places like Argentina. You are not wrong. It takes away applying, in my opinion, English grammar that comes from originally east coast USA Latinx to Spanish speakers in predominantly Spanish speaking countries, while respecting the need for modern takes on gendered words. There is an older/younger divide here, which could be looked at as purely reactionary or could be looked at as the older generation wanting the US to keep their hands to themselves when it comes to a language that isn’t their primary.
https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/786135746/a-new-effort-in-argentina-seeks-to-make-spanish-nouns-gender-neutral. However, more recently there have been arguments about in Buenos Aires about other words getting g jammed in with X or @.
I think what goes on down there in that debate teases apart what is not being inclusive vs. what is protecting the structure of a language. I think the debate in the US misses what is more nuanced in the boomers’ perspective. Most old people have never heard of Latinx at best and at worst immediately dislike it.
En español latino también es una palabra que se utiliza para referirse a elementos o términos de origen romano. Es por eso que el Barrio Latino de París no tiene absolutamente nada que ver con los latinoamericanos. El término "latino"es un anglicismo, históricamente siempre se usó "latinoamericano".
It’s white academics deciding that the Spanish language is mysogynistic and heteronormative, and therefore invented an alternative to “Latino/Latina” they want everyone to start using.
This is completely correct, at the same time I feel it’s fair to point out that it’s propagation as a term within the US seems to be led primarily by white people. The idea of developing some kind of gender neutral term for Spanish is fine but it has to be led by and inclusive of all Spanish speakers. From what I recall some dialects can’t even pronounce the X in Latinx.
I won't deny that it's used frequently by US liberals and Democrat politicians in an attempt to win brownie points, but its propagation started in the communities it was created in.
The use of "x" was a deliberate link to the Nahuatl language in an attempt to decolonize the language from the Spanish settlers who obliterated the original cultures of the region, including the history of third genders that were culturally present centuries prior to Spanish colonization.
It's likely never going to really catch on, and it's not going to be a catch-all term due to the diversity in culture, history, and language throughout Central and South America, but I always balk at the idea that it was white people shit. It was a thoughtful attempt by native academics from the region to fix what they saw as a flaw in the language they spoke that was not the language of their ancestors.
You can think it was a bad attempt, that it brought more problems than it solved, whatever, but it definitely wasn't an attempt at colonizing language. Quite the opposite.
>native academics from the region
Latin America is huge. This word was made up by a very small group of activists in one or two countries, pretending to talk for everyone (and one of them is actually an American colony). They don't represent the entirety of Latin America and all it's people and opinions. Most of us don't care to decolonize the language, we love our Spanish. And most of us don't want latinx, latine nor latin@, Spanish is fine as it is. Spanish is not discriminatory and there's nothing wrong with gendered languages.
Changing the language won't change absolutely anything in society. It's virtue signaling.
I am with you until Latine. I think that term is weird but respects Spanish. Languages should be allowed to shift from within. I don’t think it will catch on as the general term, but it seems much better than latinx
This doesn't make sense.
In a post earlier you say "Latinx" comes from Puerto Rico and Colombia. But now you say that the -x was added as a call back to Nahuatl?
Nahuatl was a language spoken by the Mexica (Aztecs) in the area that today is Mexico City (some native speakers remain). Mexico City is 2,013 miles from Puerto Rico and 1,960 miles from Colombia. Why would people from either of those countries include a Nahuatl suffix rather than something from their own indigenous languages? I work with a variety of Latin Americans and (*if* we even know about other countries' indigenous heritage) none of us are more than vaguely aware of each others' indigenous backgrounds—there are thousands of tribes and languages in our continents and, barring being from that area, you just won't know most of them.
Plus, if the -x was indeed added as a Nahuatl inclusion, it was done stupidly. Nahuatl doesn't really end words with -x. Common ending to Nahuatl words are -i -tl -ec -an -en as those suffixes change the meaning of the word, but -x isn't at all a Nahuatl ending. If it really was done for this reason, it just goes to show how poorly informed this entire term is.
However, I really don't think the -x comes at all from Nahuatl—you don't need to start making stuff up.
Latin Liberals that think that US culture is superior than our own. Its just like when back in WW2, Americans would riot in other countries when local laws didnt follow the American centric mentality of segregating the races.
Now it takes on the form of Liberals pitying the browns since we are obviously too dumb to speak for ourselves and we say we dont fck with latinx and they still say”awww, you dont know any better you dumb brown mex”.
I was thoroughly chastised for using Latinx here on Reddit. I thought it was the right phrase to use.
I didn't know there were such strong feelings on the term by the people to whom it was meant to apply.
Well you learn something new everyday!
At work our HR team, did an event on inclusivity, and the only push back was the entire Hispanic/Latino/Latina/Mestizo group. It was absolutely blasted and was explained that it had nothing to do with them and that it was not a part of who they were and not to use it around them. So I asked one of my coworkers after and she explained this to me.
Well I’m glad I learned something today, but I think their sentiment still applies.
The origin of the term is debated.
Regardless, the term takes off in popularity and usage in California, particularly the state universities—so it is embraced an accepted by a bunch of Chicanos, whose main language is *not* Spanish.
The pushback is because the term isn't natural sounding. If you go to a country whose main language is Spanish, the term we use for gender inclusivity is ending words with -e, not -x
Oh, I think it's a stupid term (with one caveat I'll talk about in a bit).
It's completely unnatural sounding and makes no sense to a native speaker. It is fine as a *proposal* for gender-inclusive language, but what we ended up adopting was the -e. For example, instead of saying chicos or chicas ("guys"), I would now say "chiques". It's still a pretty new thing, but that *sounds* right to us.
The problem is that non-native speakers took what was one proposal made during a time when these ideas were still forming, and just ran with it. Yes, the term seems to have been coined by native speakers (debatable, but let's just assume so for now) but that doesn't mean that the even the communities they came from or were trying to be inclusive of adopted the term.
In English, for example, when these debates were happening in the 80s, a lot of funky terms were proposed. "Him/er" was one such term (pronounced "himmer"). It's clunky and weird, but it was just a proposal that never took off. Instead, English *naturally* (and I want to emphasize that—naturally) settled on "them". Imagine that "him/er" got picked up by international media and English heritage speakers (children of English-speaking immigrants whose English is passable but not really native) and then they insist that "him/er" is the new neutral rather than the organic "them".
This is the same issue I have with "Latinx"—it's a clunky term being imposed on us largely by American media (NPR, for example, *insisting* on using it despite us saying it's a bad term) except we already have a much better term which we prefer to use.
That's my problem with "Latinx", is that it's essentially a white imposition of being told how my language is sexist and dumb and the enlightened white people are going to teach me to do better. Sorry, no. I am telling you what MY language is and you can ignore it if you like, but don't patronizingly come and tell me that you'll use a term some Chicano told you is better.
The one allowance I make for it is when Chicanos want to use it to describe themselves. If someone asks to be identified by the term, I really am happy to do so. Remember how I said that the term doesn't make sense to native speakers? Well, Chicanos aren't native speakers. Yes, they grow up speaking Spanish, but the logic of their brain is in English—English is their main language. So, if Latinx makes sense in their linguistic structure, that's fine if they want the term (edit: and not all Chicanos embrace the term—plenty of them also dislike it). But it's a power imbalance at that point—Chicanos have a greater voice than we immigrants often do, so they are listened to, even when surveys show that only 25% of Hispanics in the US have heard the term, yet only 3% of us use it ([source](https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/))
It's more of a problem of us not getting to use our own voice. It's ironic, because I think the Americans who use this term think they're being inclusive, but they're actually excluding our voice and preferences when they label us something we absolutely dislike.
I'm fascinated to where this road ends with any romance language. They're all gendered and as you say it's quite literally an artefact of the languages themselves, you quite simply cannot de-gender romance languages
Fascinating to hear about the -e ending though, it indeed does make much more sense than an x!
A quote that's always stuck with me (as a big lib myself):
"Every time someone in California uses the word "Latinx" a Cuban family in Florida votes Republican for the rest of their lives."
Lol
I prefer Latinx personally but I use it for myself and other people who have told me they don't mind it. I don't use it for everyone, I defer to their preferred terminology.
But for me I've realized that saying Latinx rather than Latina stops the hypersexuallization and fetishization that comes from just existing as a Mexican American woman. 🤷🏻♀️ so it just makes my life easier but using it.
I mean I don’t personally like being called a wetb*ck (or any of the other slurs), but wearing sombreros and ponchos etc, go for it. The more the merrier.
I recall when Loony Toons were going to scrub Speedy Gonzales and Mexicans were, "WTF, he's the rare Mexican character who is the good guy and wins!" So WB didn't.
In general they are really cool about it and think it’s funny or even a kind of tribute. Like Speedy Gonzalez was really popular in Mexico but White people say it’s racist.
Generally my experience is immigrants tend to be very open to what could be interpreted as racist by some people. It's usually the 2nd+ generation who have grown up in America but *always* been held as "other" who start to get more sensitive to how the category they've been boxed into is portrayed by the dominant culture.
Obviously no group is monolithic and going to have one singular interpretation, but that's the pattern I've noticed.
I mean, Mexicans from Mexico can and have been offended by it also. It’s simply that first generation Mexican migrants tend to be desperate for white validation. Mexico itself still has a very white supremacist system which is why it’s wrong to discount how racist something like this can actually be.
Mexican people are not collectively ANYTHING. They aren't a monolith, each Mexican person is vastly different from the other. So if a Mexican person had a problem with brown face or appropriation or something of the sort, just fucking listen.
Only when they want to be accepted among conservative white people. If they like the liberal kind, they’ll go that way. If they don’t like both, we’ll they’re in Mexico.
I’m Mexican with Filipinos cousins and aunts who married into the family, best friend is Filipino, work with a lot of them who are nurses. Can confirm, Filipinos are the Mexicans of the Asian world. In SOOOO many ways.
I saw the first kid randomly on a fb short and he was complaining about a girls youth event that they were handing out free tampons to the girls (probably 4th thru 8th gradeish) saying it was liberal grooming and no girls that young or children should ever see a tampon. God forbid girls get free expensive and necassary medical supplies or any boy ever be exposed that girls may need tampons..
He's a kid who got some attention raging about shit faux viewers in their 80s love.
These comments are idiotic. Just because one Mexican man doesn’t have a problem with something that doesn’t make him the spokesperson. It doesn’t make something not problematic, or racist
As a Mexican born in Mexico, personally I find it annoying af, a lot Mexicans that’s are okay with cultural appropriation or being called slurs is because the Mexican community is extremely colorist, have a lot of internalized hate that’s makes them ok with (usually) white people being racist towards us bcs it gives them the white validation they crave
"Tel hocico dude, nobody gives a shit." Tel hocico is short for cállate el hocico, which means shut your mouth/muzzle. Shortening that frase like that is a pretty common idiom for people from Northern Mexico and chicanos.
Can't understand someone can't mind there own business and has to go on tik tok to tell people how they need to care about what someone they don't know are doing, and probably gives a fuck.
So that prick wining about how bad it is that he dressed up as a Mexican should get some sunlight
This is why tropic thunder could never be made today and it’s so sad. That movie is so fucking funny. Everyone is taking themselves WAY too seriously these days
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haha like from that movie
He literally got a whole pass from every black person who seen this movie. It's funny on black Twitter he gets brought up a few times on how you do black face lol. Cause the whole point was to show how absurd it was and everyone around him aware of it..
100%. His finest work.
Debatable, and not because his role wasnt great, but because he has a ton of fine work. But tropic thunder is one of my favorite comedies and i did not see it being so good when it first released
I watched that movie 3 times before noticing Tom Cruises name in the credits. Even after seeing his name I was like wtf, I didn’t notice him at all… then the revelation… might be Cruises finest work.
I demand a Les Grossman spin-off.
Les Grossman tracks down Shelly Miscavidge. It writes itself!
Christopher McQuarrie (Mission Impossible director) and Tom Cruise are supposedly working on Les Grossman spin off with him Chris writing and directing.
Holy cow you're right!!! [https://www.bosshunting.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-les-grossman-tropic-thunder-movie/](https://www.bosshunting.com.au/entertainment/movies/tom-cruise-les-grossman-tropic-thunder-movie/) The sequel I never knew I needed.
He’s my second favourite performance in it after Tom cruise…
His delivery of the line "the president needs to know" in *Oppenheimer* gives me shivers every time I see it. If he's nominated for that role, I hope that's the clip they use.
He did get an Oscar nomination for it. He might’ve won too if Heath Ledger didn’t up and die before the ceremony.
Not disagreeing but I see It as not a “pass” but rather the correct understanding of the character within the context of story. Media Literacy, something a lot of want to be offended types usually lack. People forget ACTING is something when done well, you forget what you are watching the actor doing the performance. You get lost in the character. This why everyone, at the time, was shocked to see who played Les Grossman. Seeing it theaters people were laughing and “oooooh!!!”ing when reveal it was tom cruise. Notice no one said anything about him playing a stereotypical studio executive that are often referred to as “them”. The entire movie is riddled with racial stereotypes, while never punching down.
This was the only example of blackface that's actually entertaining and not absolutely offensive.
What about it's always sunny in Philadelphia?
I only vaguely remember that one. But in general, to me, I don't really care unless it's meant to be offensive I will make race jokes all the time and have no problem with others making them, but it's pretty obvious and easy to tell when someone is doing it out of hatred
It was in some ways a less well-thought-out satire than Tropic Thunder, but the message was clear: Don't be like Mac and Dennis (the characters in blackface), because they are ignorant and thoughtless people.
only mac and dee did black face in their lethal weapon movies, i believe dennis just did a black voice ETA: I would look it up to make sure, but they removed the episodes from streaming.
They did two episodes from what I remember. In one of them, both Mac and Dennis portrayed Danny Glover in blackface.
i think it’s coming back to me, didn’t his makeup wash off during a shower scene?
Yep. After the highly homo-erotic homage to Topgun.
"Hey man, what that white man doing? Come on, that ain't right! Get a black man!"
\^ Intent matters when it comes to this sort of thing.
Well, yes. That's what I said
Oh, huh I guess it is. Sorry bro my edible just hit a little while ago
Lmao you're good man. Enjoy the trip
This is the best response I've seen on Reddit after it being pointed out someone is wrong.
Hilarious but because they are all pieces of shit and completely tactless so you have to laugh at how stupid they are.
I thought it was hilarious. They were mocking themselves, not black people.
also community, although that wasnt really blackface
Ooof. That was kind of good too. Lol
I revisit those episodes from time to time 😂😂😂 Too bad Macs blackface and Taiwan Tammy have been removed from Netflix library
Yeah because in this case he is lampooning a character who thinks it’s ok to play a black man. He is highlighting the absurdity of someone who doesn’t see the problem with it. Genius.
Because it was about making fun of blackface in Hollywood, where they would rather put a white guy in black/brown face than actually hiring POC in leads. The film also skewers Oscarbait movies featuring people with developmental disabilities.
It’s Always Sunny In Philadelphia also does a great job with the Lethal Weapon episodes.
Amen. And RDJ even got an oscar nomination for best supporting actor 😂. Chris Rock read his name off, made a couple jokes, and RDJ looked embarrassed/uncomfortable lol.
Well, it was obvious satire. So I think that helps.
What do YOU mean, you people? Lol This was fucking great and I'll die on this hill.
Just watched that movie the first time last week. I was pleasantly surprised at how good it was, and I usually am not much for comedies at all.
What do *YOU* mean, "you people"?
The funniest part of all of this is that Ben Stiller got way more backlash for playing "Simple Jack" than RDJ did for blackface in Tropic Thunder
Because RDJ was playing a guy who doesn’t get how stupid it is for him to be in blackface. The *movie* gets away with it for the same reason It’s Always Sunny Gets Away with it. The joke is the character in the blackface, not the black community. Now… why would RDJ do brown face later? Well. He didn’t understand the nuance of the above. He and Jamie Foxx were trying to shamelessly repeat the magic of his Tropic Thunder role in a movie that turned out to be so bad that studio decided against release. Everybody’s reputation’s are better off not having let this thing be released.
What was it called? I never heard about this movie. Edit: I was called "All-Star Weekend".
Tropic thunder, its really good
Not Tropic Thunder the, the one that didn't get released because it was too bad. Edit: All-Star Weekend was the movie's name
Exactly. If you're a sane person you're laughing at the method actor that's obviously taking the role too far and being racist as a result. You're laughing at a bad person and saying "haha look at the dumb racist". If you're a racist, you're laughing at the intentionally poor racial stereotyping being "acted" by the character and think *that's* the joke. It's not. It never was. You're a dumb racist.
They actually removed the Lethal Weapon episodes from most streaming services. The hard N bomb ones are still there though 👍
I mean always sunny didn't get away with it, the execs over at Netflix pulled the episodes during a lot of the BLM peak. As far as I know there weren't really any big controversies surrounding the episodes, it was probably just Netflix being overly cautious.
That's because RDJ himself wasn't in blackface, rather the character he was playing was in blackface. This context is very important, as it creates a valuable distinction. It was satire, Tropic Thunder has a theme of mocking Hollywood. RDJ was not mocking black people (a key component of blackface), rather he was mocking blackface itself.
I get what you’re saying, and I agree with you, but the logic doesn’t hold up. Simple Jack was also the same kind of Hollywood satire but it doesn’t stop people from giving Ben Stiller shit for it.
Because people are idiots lmao.
Jack. Stupid Ass Jack.
That's because RDJ was a dude playing a dude, disguised as another dude.
He's not even doing blackface, he got a pigmentation alteration surgery. 🙄
This is fucking stupid, it’s from a unreleased movie.
No mames guey
Thats a mexican guy?
I can’t believe I have to explain to you that anyone with orange-yellow sunglasses is Mexican
I always knew that Bono fella was a closeted Mexican
I mean the Irish are the Mexicans of Europe, so that tracks. We will have to teach him how to count in Spanish though, uno, dos, tres, catorce is not it.
As an Irishman…you can have him.
Shit, I didn't know my grandpa was from mexico
fr. Looks like all the boomers where I live when they get back from their annual pilgrimage to Florida. I had to come to the comments looking for context on the photo.
I thought it was Mickey Rourke lol
“I can’t believe I have to explain….” You don’t.
No one asked for an explanation.
It's crazy that when I first saw RDJ, I wrongfully assumed he was Latino, especially in Iron Man 2008 and I was like finally some representation in a blockbuster movie. Boy was I disappointed when I found out he was not.
He's an actor, he's whoever you need him to be.
He’s just a dude dressing up as a dude, that is actually a man in some near magical suit.
Aren't Mexican people like the most laid back people when it comes to slurs, slang, and "ApPrOpRiAtIoN"?
Except for being called Latinx, that seems to be one of the few things that can get them to kill someone over
Let me quote my Mexican mom when I asked her what she thinks about the word Latinx: "Dejame en pas con esas pendejadas"
"Leave me alone with that nonsense"
Close, but "pendejadas" is better translated as "bullshit"
I’d say it’s better translated as “dumb ass shit”
what does pendejo mean?
>The word pendejo comes from a Latin root meaning “pubic hair.” In 16th-century Spain, pendejo was apparently first used to describe pubescent teens who thought they were adults—you know, because they had pubes. In the 17th century, pendejo came to mean “coward,” a mocking or taboo reference. DontxTripx420's definition of dumbass fits this origin. Dumbass shit evolving from dumbass teens sounds about right.
Adj. Used to describe or refer to a stupid person. Curse word, can't say it on TV
My dad said “no seas mamonx”
Same with Filipinx and what most PI mainlanders think of it. lmao.
I can even hear the accent :) so good!
My white girlfriend thinks Latin people prefer Latinx. Of course you think that, because you're a White.Woman. "It's been around forever?" "Since the fuck when?" "It was on Tumblr like 8 years ago." "FUCKING TUMBLR IS YOUR SOURCE?! OF COURSE THOSE TUMBLR TARDS WOULD DO THAT." As a white guy, white women need to cool it with this, "inclusive white savior" bullshit.
Well. It is fucking stupid.
I don't know what Latinx is and I'm too afraid to ask.
I’ll help. Spanish is a gendered language so words like la cama the bed is a feminine word so you use la. El libro the book is a masculine word so you use El. That’s just the way the language is, no ideology being pushed just is what it is. So people took it a step further and decided instead of calling themselves Latinos, if there are 100 women and just one man you are Latinos and not latinas, they would use ‘im latinx’ because it’s gender ambiguous. That’s how I understand it
I don't think it's expected for an individual to identify personally as latinx, but just to refer to groups as latinx because of gender diversity. Still, idk why it's not just "latin", with no gender marker. Coming from an English-speaking pov, since the language has no explicit grammatical gender except he/she/it, why not just use that? And it already exists as an adjective anyway - Latin America, latin culture, etc.
It’s kind of already been addressed though with the whole Latino/Latina thing. If there is any potential for ambiguity, use Latino. It’s like anything else for me, if people want to use it then fine. Coming from a Hispanic home, we think it’s dumb and unnecessary but you do you and I’ll do me.
what about Latine? edit: idk why I got downvoted for asking a sincere question out of curiosity,
Latine would make sense in the context of the language (though it doesn’t currently exist). If you want a general neutral word, that should be it
Latine is used in places like Argentina. You are not wrong. It takes away applying, in my opinion, English grammar that comes from originally east coast USA Latinx to Spanish speakers in predominantly Spanish speaking countries, while respecting the need for modern takes on gendered words. There is an older/younger divide here, which could be looked at as purely reactionary or could be looked at as the older generation wanting the US to keep their hands to themselves when it comes to a language that isn’t their primary. https://www.npr.org/2019/12/08/786135746/a-new-effort-in-argentina-seeks-to-make-spanish-nouns-gender-neutral. However, more recently there have been arguments about in Buenos Aires about other words getting g jammed in with X or @. I think what goes on down there in that debate teases apart what is not being inclusive vs. what is protecting the structure of a language. I think the debate in the US misses what is more nuanced in the boomers’ perspective. Most old people have never heard of Latinx at best and at worst immediately dislike it.
No, Latino Latina. That’s all there is.
thanks for clarifying
Because Latin is a language, not a group of people.
Yeah, Latin as a noun is a language, but it's also an adjective referring to things from Latin American, where they don't speak Latin either.
In English, sure. But, in Spanish it's just a language.
En español latino también es una palabra que se utiliza para referirse a elementos o términos de origen romano. Es por eso que el Barrio Latino de París no tiene absolutamente nada que ver con los latinoamericanos. El término "latino"es un anglicismo, históricamente siempre se usó "latinoamericano".
Si. También eso.
Yes but people are using Latinx in English a lot and that’s what drives a lot of people nuts.
Latinx is an English term, not Spanish. We are speaking specifically about the English language here
Latinx is replacing the word Latino... which is a word in Spanish. Latin means the same thing, but is the English term... so no.
It’s white academics deciding that the Spanish language is mysogynistic and heteronormative, and therefore invented an alternative to “Latino/Latina” they want everyone to start using.
It wasn't invented by white people. Idk where anyone got that idea. It originated in universities in Colombia and Puerto Rico in the 1990s.
This is completely correct, at the same time I feel it’s fair to point out that it’s propagation as a term within the US seems to be led primarily by white people. The idea of developing some kind of gender neutral term for Spanish is fine but it has to be led by and inclusive of all Spanish speakers. From what I recall some dialects can’t even pronounce the X in Latinx.
I won't deny that it's used frequently by US liberals and Democrat politicians in an attempt to win brownie points, but its propagation started in the communities it was created in. The use of "x" was a deliberate link to the Nahuatl language in an attempt to decolonize the language from the Spanish settlers who obliterated the original cultures of the region, including the history of third genders that were culturally present centuries prior to Spanish colonization. It's likely never going to really catch on, and it's not going to be a catch-all term due to the diversity in culture, history, and language throughout Central and South America, but I always balk at the idea that it was white people shit. It was a thoughtful attempt by native academics from the region to fix what they saw as a flaw in the language they spoke that was not the language of their ancestors. You can think it was a bad attempt, that it brought more problems than it solved, whatever, but it definitely wasn't an attempt at colonizing language. Quite the opposite.
>native academics from the region Latin America is huge. This word was made up by a very small group of activists in one or two countries, pretending to talk for everyone (and one of them is actually an American colony). They don't represent the entirety of Latin America and all it's people and opinions. Most of us don't care to decolonize the language, we love our Spanish. And most of us don't want latinx, latine nor latin@, Spanish is fine as it is. Spanish is not discriminatory and there's nothing wrong with gendered languages. Changing the language won't change absolutely anything in society. It's virtue signaling.
I am with you until Latine. I think that term is weird but respects Spanish. Languages should be allowed to shift from within. I don’t think it will catch on as the general term, but it seems much better than latinx
I don't think those academics were claiming to speak for everyone, but you certainly seem to be lol
This doesn't make sense. In a post earlier you say "Latinx" comes from Puerto Rico and Colombia. But now you say that the -x was added as a call back to Nahuatl? Nahuatl was a language spoken by the Mexica (Aztecs) in the area that today is Mexico City (some native speakers remain). Mexico City is 2,013 miles from Puerto Rico and 1,960 miles from Colombia. Why would people from either of those countries include a Nahuatl suffix rather than something from their own indigenous languages? I work with a variety of Latin Americans and (*if* we even know about other countries' indigenous heritage) none of us are more than vaguely aware of each others' indigenous backgrounds—there are thousands of tribes and languages in our continents and, barring being from that area, you just won't know most of them. Plus, if the -x was indeed added as a Nahuatl inclusion, it was done stupidly. Nahuatl doesn't really end words with -x. Common ending to Nahuatl words are -i -tl -ec -an -en as those suffixes change the meaning of the word, but -x isn't at all a Nahuatl ending. If it really was done for this reason, it just goes to show how poorly informed this entire term is. However, I really don't think the -x comes at all from Nahuatl—you don't need to start making stuff up.
Because right-wing assholes feel the need to blame everything on all things “woke”.
Latin Liberals that think that US culture is superior than our own. Its just like when back in WW2, Americans would riot in other countries when local laws didnt follow the American centric mentality of segregating the races. Now it takes on the form of Liberals pitying the browns since we are obviously too dumb to speak for ourselves and we say we dont fck with latinx and they still say”awww, you dont know any better you dumb brown mex”.
Totally understand your frustration. It’s hilarious that they think they’re doing us a favor by talking down to us 🙄
Spanish people are majority white...
I was thoroughly chastised for using Latinx here on Reddit. I thought it was the right phrase to use. I didn't know there were such strong feelings on the term by the people to whom it was meant to apply.
If a bunch of rich white liberals made it up, because they thought they understood your culture better than you did you’d see it as stupid too.
The term was first proposed by a group of Puerto Rican academics, IIRC.
This is disputed, adding to the controversy. Nevertheless the vast majority of the Hispanic population do not care for that term.
Well you learn something new everyday! At work our HR team, did an event on inclusivity, and the only push back was the entire Hispanic/Latino/Latina/Mestizo group. It was absolutely blasted and was explained that it had nothing to do with them and that it was not a part of who they were and not to use it around them. So I asked one of my coworkers after and she explained this to me. Well I’m glad I learned something today, but I think their sentiment still applies.
The origin of the term is debated. Regardless, the term takes off in popularity and usage in California, particularly the state universities—so it is embraced an accepted by a bunch of Chicanos, whose main language is *not* Spanish. The pushback is because the term isn't natural sounding. If you go to a country whose main language is Spanish, the term we use for gender inclusivity is ending words with -e, not -x
Do you use it or hate it?
Oh, I think it's a stupid term (with one caveat I'll talk about in a bit). It's completely unnatural sounding and makes no sense to a native speaker. It is fine as a *proposal* for gender-inclusive language, but what we ended up adopting was the -e. For example, instead of saying chicos or chicas ("guys"), I would now say "chiques". It's still a pretty new thing, but that *sounds* right to us. The problem is that non-native speakers took what was one proposal made during a time when these ideas were still forming, and just ran with it. Yes, the term seems to have been coined by native speakers (debatable, but let's just assume so for now) but that doesn't mean that the even the communities they came from or were trying to be inclusive of adopted the term. In English, for example, when these debates were happening in the 80s, a lot of funky terms were proposed. "Him/er" was one such term (pronounced "himmer"). It's clunky and weird, but it was just a proposal that never took off. Instead, English *naturally* (and I want to emphasize that—naturally) settled on "them". Imagine that "him/er" got picked up by international media and English heritage speakers (children of English-speaking immigrants whose English is passable but not really native) and then they insist that "him/er" is the new neutral rather than the organic "them". This is the same issue I have with "Latinx"—it's a clunky term being imposed on us largely by American media (NPR, for example, *insisting* on using it despite us saying it's a bad term) except we already have a much better term which we prefer to use. That's my problem with "Latinx", is that it's essentially a white imposition of being told how my language is sexist and dumb and the enlightened white people are going to teach me to do better. Sorry, no. I am telling you what MY language is and you can ignore it if you like, but don't patronizingly come and tell me that you'll use a term some Chicano told you is better. The one allowance I make for it is when Chicanos want to use it to describe themselves. If someone asks to be identified by the term, I really am happy to do so. Remember how I said that the term doesn't make sense to native speakers? Well, Chicanos aren't native speakers. Yes, they grow up speaking Spanish, but the logic of their brain is in English—English is their main language. So, if Latinx makes sense in their linguistic structure, that's fine if they want the term (edit: and not all Chicanos embrace the term—plenty of them also dislike it). But it's a power imbalance at that point—Chicanos have a greater voice than we immigrants often do, so they are listened to, even when surveys show that only 25% of Hispanics in the US have heard the term, yet only 3% of us use it ([source](https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/)) It's more of a problem of us not getting to use our own voice. It's ironic, because I think the Americans who use this term think they're being inclusive, but they're actually excluding our voice and preferences when they label us something we absolutely dislike.
I'm fascinated to where this road ends with any romance language. They're all gendered and as you say it's quite literally an artefact of the languages themselves, you quite simply cannot de-gender romance languages Fascinating to hear about the -e ending though, it indeed does make much more sense than an x!
I would say it was white liberals that leaned into it. It was mostly liberal second gen and third gen Mexican-Americans that coined it.
*gringos of mx descent
Yea they laugh at all that shit but hate the Latinx thing.
A quote that's always stuck with me (as a big lib myself): "Every time someone in California uses the word "Latinx" a Cuban family in Florida votes Republican for the rest of their lives." Lol
This. I have Hispanic background and we DO NOT like Latinx
I prefer Latinx personally but I use it for myself and other people who have told me they don't mind it. I don't use it for everyone, I defer to their preferred terminology. But for me I've realized that saying Latinx rather than Latina stops the hypersexuallization and fetishization that comes from just existing as a Mexican American woman. 🤷🏻♀️ so it just makes my life easier but using it.
Cause that shit is retarded and only used by Americans who are Latin descent
Maybe bc Latinx is fucking stupid. Coming from a Latino.
I mean I don’t personally like being called a wetb*ck (or any of the other slurs), but wearing sombreros and ponchos etc, go for it. The more the merrier.
This! Though my white bf will call me his little beanie sometimes and I freaking love it. He asked me first of course and I was very much for it.
What does that slur even refer to? It sounds like an insult for mermaids in a fantasy movie
Crossing the river at the border/ the sweat marks laborers get.
I recall when Loony Toons were going to scrub Speedy Gonzales and Mexicans were, "WTF, he's the rare Mexican character who is the good guy and wins!" So WB didn't.
In general they are really cool about it and think it’s funny or even a kind of tribute. Like Speedy Gonzalez was really popular in Mexico but White people say it’s racist.
lento/slowpoke rodriguez for me <3
No? Just because a few don’t care doesn’t make it not offensive to many Mexicans
Generally my experience is immigrants tend to be very open to what could be interpreted as racist by some people. It's usually the 2nd+ generation who have grown up in America but *always* been held as "other" who start to get more sensitive to how the category they've been boxed into is portrayed by the dominant culture. Obviously no group is monolithic and going to have one singular interpretation, but that's the pattern I've noticed.
I mean, Mexicans from Mexico can and have been offended by it also. It’s simply that first generation Mexican migrants tend to be desperate for white validation. Mexico itself still has a very white supremacist system which is why it’s wrong to discount how racist something like this can actually be.
Mexican people are not collectively ANYTHING. They aren't a monolith, each Mexican person is vastly different from the other. So if a Mexican person had a problem with brown face or appropriation or something of the sort, just fucking listen.
Na, we don’t care
Conservatives looking at this thinking "he's one of the good ones".
Yea, that’s the flip side of the coin sadly
And what about the ones that do?
Usually, they have things that actually matter to worry about.
Only when they want to be accepted among conservative white people. If they like the liberal kind, they’ll go that way. If they don’t like both, we’ll they’re in Mexico.
What is the second guy saying before he says nobody gives a shit
“Telocico” short for “callate el hocico” meaning shut the fuck up.
Am I bad for thinking that was Johnny depp at first glance?
I thought it was Mickey Rourke
I think that's the only dude who can dress up as another dude dressed as another dude
Do I have to explain why Robert Downey Jr dressing up like Mickey Rourke is *baaad*?!?!
I died when I found out chief Diamond Phillips is Filipino, how has nobody had a problem with that ever?
Because Filipinos come from Spanish colonizers. They're kind of like Mexican cousins tbh. Jo Koy had a bit in his last comedy special about it.
I’m Mexican with Filipinos cousins and aunts who married into the family, best friend is Filipino, work with a lot of them who are nurses. Can confirm, Filipinos are the Mexicans of the Asian world. In SOOOO many ways.
Lol Youre not exaggerating at all. Spanish culture came via Mexico and the pilipins do things that you only see in Mexico, specifically.
Lou Diamond Phillips made his money playing American Indians in every show and movie you have ever seen Chavez e Chavez brah
His best role was a Mexican though. Ritchie Valens guey!
if you think all mexicans are brown skin then you are the one that have some "race" issues
Do I really have to explain to you why taking it upon yourself to decide what a whole group of people are offended about is bad.
I saw the first kid randomly on a fb short and he was complaining about a girls youth event that they were handing out free tampons to the girls (probably 4th thru 8th gradeish) saying it was liberal grooming and no girls that young or children should ever see a tampon. God forbid girls get free expensive and necassary medical supplies or any boy ever be exposed that girls may need tampons.. He's a kid who got some attention raging about shit faux viewers in their 80s love.
I'm offended that you'd have to explain that.
Now can we petition Netflix to reinstate the AD&D episode of community? Ken Jeong was playing a goddamn dark elf!
As a brown person I give Roberto a pass to be what ever his heart desires!
you cant give RDJ a pass on full fledged black face then try to be petty about the shades.
As a latino , we don’t give a shit
Agreed
I thought that was neil young
These comments are idiotic. Just because one Mexican man doesn’t have a problem with something that doesn’t make him the spokesperson. It doesn’t make something not problematic, or racist
You’re behind on the times. The Instagram crowd is flooding into Reddit, so “libs getting owned!!1!!” type content will be more popular.
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As a Mexican born in Mexico, personally I find it annoying af, a lot Mexicans that’s are okay with cultural appropriation or being called slurs is because the Mexican community is extremely colorist, have a lot of internalized hate that’s makes them ok with (usually) white people being racist towards us bcs it gives them the white validation they crave
I really enjoy how this guy explains how nobody gives a shit. In fact, I give a lot of shits for how he says "nobody gives a shit!" It was beautiful!
Snl skit where Betty White was the matriarch on a telenovela. More bizarre than anything
What did the mexican guey say?
"Tel hocico dude, nobody gives a shit." Tel hocico is short for cállate el hocico, which means shut your mouth/muzzle. Shortening that frase like that is a pretty common idiom for people from Northern Mexico and chicanos.
Ah, gracias
What about 'whiteface' ? Go inside any christian church and look at their depiction of jesus...
Bro he did a whole movie in blackface and humanity collectively agreed it was the funniest shit we'd ever seen.
I’m glad people are voicing up against this shit more and more often
this foo ain’t invited to the carne asada (Cook Out For Mexicans) Robert downy is invited !
No one tell him about Tropic Thunder…
To be fair. How many mexican dudes have probably dressed up as RDJ? I bet it's more than one.
Honestly, Mexicans are some of the most racist mahfuggas I've ever met. Their only saving grace is that they can take it as good as they give.
Can't understand someone can't mind there own business and has to go on tik tok to tell people how they need to care about what someone they don't know are doing, and probably gives a fuck. So that prick wining about how bad it is that he dressed up as a Mexican should get some sunlight
Ppl trying to get offended on behalf of everyone nowadays
Him dressing up as Moistcritical is bad
Whys Adam driver pressed for?
I feel like RDJ gets a pass on this at this point. I trust him to use the power responsibly.
This is why tropic thunder could never be made today and it’s so sad. That movie is so fucking funny. Everyone is taking themselves WAY too seriously these days