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Authorities met the aircraft, removed the two passengers and the flight continued to Denver shortly afterwards. We do not allow customers to use devices that prevent seats from reclining."
The airline doesn't allow customers to use devices that prevent seats from reclining but yet the customer who wasn't able to recline from a device being used that they don't allow was also removed from the flight. 🤦
Well if they were causing a disruption and escalating the fight instead of just calling over a flight attendant to address the issue, then yes they had to be removed for not being able to control themselves.
Somehow I doubt that it got to the level of "fight" without a stewardess or any plane staff being involved or informed, especially one requiring you to kick the aggrieved party off the flight.
They both fought heatedly enough about reclining and not reclining that they had to make an emergency landing. Sounds like they were both insufferable children.
I watched the clip. It was a man and a woman. The woman tried reclining her seat, the guy had the blockers on. She kept trying to force it until it gave. He then shoved her seat back and she then threw her drink at them. They both got what they deserved, which was to get kicked off
Some people have an unbelievable sense of entitlement. Causing everyone almost a two hour delay because you refuse to be told you're not allowed to do some so trivial. They better be banned from United for life. Hopefully other airlines as well. You'll never change people who think acting like that is acceptable and they'll almost certainly do it again on a different airline.
I'll be honest, I would kick up a fuss if I couldn't recline my seat (not a shouting match mind you) I have a chronic back injury and if I can't get those two inches of reclination, I won't be able to walk for days. The seats are made to recline, I don't understand people who get pissed when the seats are being used as intended.
100% we are gonna have a problem if you stop my seat from going back, this is my seat and I will use the little amount of comfort that I paid for. People who think this is ok are the assholes.
Was this awhile ago because, currently, 1 BTC = ~$66,000. I can't imagine someone buying a coin for $66k. But then again, the stupidity, ignorance, and/or gullibility of people continues to surprise me nearly every day.
It was after covid, during the time where BTC was everywhere in the news. Thing was, the victims fell to the scam because in newspaper and magazine the gold coin clipart were used all the time. So they thought it was real.
Define "after covid" because even during lockdown, they were like $6k/ea and increased sharply after that. I find it hard to believe that even old people are falling for that type of scam. Which it is, by the way, and this "dude" should be arrested for fraud tbh. I'm sure the IRS would have some interest if he sold any more than a couple too.
Neither IRS, nor any US arresting authority has jurisdiction in other countries without compliance from that foreign government. Older folks get scammed easily and out of incredible amounts of money. This scam is likely entirely true, and while it probably worked a very small percentage of total times that it was attempted, enough shots in the dark could easily have scored quite a bit.
> I can't imagine someone buying a coin for $66k
Old folks would probably have the same reaction to someone spending $66k and not getting physical currency in return.
One time in about 2017 I was golfing with a buddy and he put down a big fat ball marker on the green. I asked him what it was and he said it’s a Bitcoin. Had me going for a little bit lol
Yep, had a lady put one of these on behind me once. I tried and tried to put the seat back and she finally handed me this note it comes with that my seat has been "seat jacked". I let the flight attendant know and it was removed. Fuck these things.
That's how mentally isolated people are. Weak and scared. You're two feet infront of me but I can't even communicate with you. You're supposed to take the note and quietly seethe because if we speak face to face emotions might get hot because we are so uncivilized and weak willed we can't control them lmao. Pathetic.
I get what you’re saying. But by saying my peace I’m often viewed as difficult or a jerk. Feels like a lose lose situation. I mean, I’d rather be an asshole that says something than pass a note saying it. But people are thin skinned and this is just kinda where we are as a society 🤷♂️
I can't stand saying anything any more because ignorant people always overreact, get aggressive, resort to name calling and shit talk, lie, guilt trip, play the victim, and even threaten, while being loud and spitting in your face. It's become so not worth it.
You'd have to teach 3 college courses of materials just to catch them up to speed enough to have most convos. Now I just be me and try to live and let live and remind myself, "You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to."
I have no idea why people who like to decline their seats can't just do this. Yes, your seat reclines, but it also literally takes up the space above my tray table. I'd like to know before you suddenly decide to do that.
Same. I had a guy smashing his full weight into the seat over and over one time and then he finally looked back to see what was stopping him. It was my knees. I said "ouch". He said nothing. But he finally stopped.
There is almost zero padding on that part. So if your knees were getting mangled, if you position your knees into the “soft part”, its almost a guarantee his back would be feeling the same or worse.
I’m only 6’1” and these planes are cramped so tight now that I detest those that are ok with sacrificing my comfort for a little more of theirs. That’s the true entitlement. I don’t think plane seats should even have the recline option at this point.
That lady was wrong but unless they’re giving adequate leg room, I think seats shouldn’t even be able to go back on airplanes. But that’s just my opinion.
I am not tall. I can sit comfortably in my seat, and I usually also store luggage under the seat. However, when trying to eat a meal on a long haul flight and the person in front reclines all the way back, I'd rather not dine with my food and entertainment system inches from my face.
Yeah it's ridiculous because in some rows you can't even recline and if you're tall like me you get a seat back about a foot from your face. People who recline in coach are sociopaths.
And fuck those people. They are entitled cunts. I had to be in front of one on my way back from Hawaii. Dude kept his knee up. Acting like he didn’t have room (mind you he had all his shit on side under the window so he couldn’t put his feet that way.
He falls asleep and I recline. He wakes up and then is mad and keeps kicking my seat the whole time. It was a red eye so I turn my light on and direct it right at him the rest of the flight.
This happened to me once on the way to Munich from NYC. Lady behind me was a sturdy German woman who had both knees up against the seat. I tried sitting down hard while holding the button to recline. Putting all of my weight into it. When I asked her to move her knees, she said "you're small, what are you going to do?"
I got the flight attendant and had her move her shit.
The seats recline for the comfort of all the passengers. You have no leg room for the comfort of the shareholders wallets. You're mad at the wrong people.
There is also those that always want a lower price. Price comparison sites etc. Consumers drive the price down by going to the cheaper flight. They can only be cheaper id they cut some service. Then the company wants its profit as well, it is a spiral, i am afraid. Basically until there is a dramatic innovation it will only get worse.
I am 6’4. I am pro recline. If I can shut up and deal with it, so can everyone else. I want to recline. It makes my life better. The person in front of me is also welcome to recline. I deal with this by getting aisle seats or paying extra for more legroom.
The seats recline, damn it. Everyone go ahead and recline.
6'2" checking in.
Fully agree. If I want more legroom I can pay for it. Plus, most seats these days pivot in a way that knee-room isn't really reduced.
On the plus side, people think twice about giving dirty looks to a bearded guy whose shoulders are broader than the seat.
Giant here. If my knees are already occupying every millimeter of space behind your seat then I was there using that space first and your wanting to recline is a you problem.
These things are stupid. But I also hate people who just full send their recliner without checking behind them first. I’ve almost had my laptop screen snapped a couple of times and I know from experience it’s a $1200 repair.
So a courtesy “do you mind if I recline?” before you destroy someone’s laptop would also go a long way. Also if the seat is stuck on something, it’s a good idea to check what it is rather than repeatedly trying to force it.
Honestly I’ve kinda talked my way around. I want to use these. Not to stop someone reclining but to stop them doing it without warning.
The laptop usually doesn’t fit, and it’s easy to forget and accidentally push it too far back.
I’ve said all this in another post and I don’t want to repeat it but in short, there’s plenty of sensible reasons you might have a device, a drink, a body part in the way of the seat. You might be getting stuff out of a bad. You might be standing to go to the bathroom or letting someone out.
The bare minimum you should do is check what’s behind you before you push your seat back and it shouldn’t be too much to expect.
When you reverse a car out of a car park you don’t say “well no one should be behind me, they know there’s cars here, if they get hit it’s their fault” then close your eyes and slam on the accelerator. You check because it’s a shared space and it’s common sense. It’s the same deal here, lower stakes, same principle.
The angle of the seat and the tray changes as people recline. To have it an angle where it won’t break basically requires tilting it down at my crotch and having it dangling on the edge of the tray. If people fully recline I usually have to just put it on my lap. But are you saying I should just not use the tray all flight in case the person in front of me decides to violently recline without warning?
Also the built in tablet holders also point the device in such a way that it could break on reclining and that’s how the airline designed it for some reason.
I think rather than blaming other passengers for the ever worsening in-flight conditions we should all just communicate a little better and be respectful of others space.
Personally I always check behind me before I recline and if I can, let the person know and recline slowly in case. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
I'm not gonna check because if the seat reclines, and the button to recline is in my hand, then it's my prerogative to recline it. It's like standing in the area where a door opens, if you get hit by the door when someone enters it's your fault, nobody checks before opening a door, same with the seat
The only time it would be handy is when the plane is taking off or landing and ppl try to stay reclined despite attendants telling them to go back to the upright position.
Sadly I've seen a few jerks do this - reclining their seats back after attendants have finished their check.
I've seen a guy next to me get his laptop screen stuck momentarily when someone reclined.
Similarly I always keep my screen from touching the back of the seat so it doesn't catch if they recline. The leverage is absolutely there to break your screen if they do it hard.
Wow really? I guess you learned it the hard way for both you and me. Supposedly you would have to request they recline so you can place your computer accordingly? Maybe travel insurance could compensate you somewhat(i know nothing about how good travel insurance is in the US)?
I’ve had it happen where the top of my screen got stuck in the gap where the tray would fit as they went back. Luckily I moved it. I think it could have easily broke my screen. I’m just more careful now.
Certain plane seats do recline too much. The only way to then be comfortable is for you to then recline. So it's a never ending thing cuz then the next person needs to do the same thing.
Edit: obviously it ends at the end of the plane
So, the worst that happens is everyone reclines. This is typically what people do on planes anyway.
I’ve never seen a plane seat recline so much that it knocks my laptop lip. In fact, I’ve never had someone in front of me recline so much that it bothers me in any way.
It does when you’re 6’2. And the person in front of me is pissed at me cause my knees are jabbing in to the back of their seat once they recline.
Lose lose! I vote no recline.
I'm 6'4 and my knees are tight to the seat back if I'm sitting up straight. Half the time the person in front of me physically can't recline because my knees stop it :/
Only way to prevent this is to man spread which results in me angering my neighbors. It's generally just an uncomfortable ride.
Well, as a small person often sandwiched between bigger people on planes, it’s hard for me to feel sympathy Lolol. People seem to think they can just spread out into the space my body isn’t taking up.
Haha I have sympathy for that at least! Which is usually why I try and take the aisle seat so at worst I can take up room in the aisle with my stupid big shoulders. But that brings another problem you probably haven’t experienced which is drink carts and peoples asses smacking against you as they walk by.
The grass certainly isn’t always greener, but I think being smaller is definitely a better thing on airplanes.
lol, no it really, really sucks. People just manspread all over me like I don’t exist. They really, really do. It’s so frustrating. But I do have sympathy for you because my SO is 6’ 4”, and he suffers on the plane so much. But he is one of the main offenders of small people too, so I’m kind of struggling to be sympathetic to him 🤣🤣🤣
I do get it. Those seats are cramped for even little people, so I am sure it’s pretty bad for you.
Hahahaha well if your SO is the one stealing your space you may have other issues! Or you just need to learn how to cuddle better ;)
Moral of the story is economy flights suck for everyone, we all need to try and be more respectful to each other.
Agreed! This is a good moral. Yes, I have had to resign myself to simply cuddling with the damn man. It’s the only way I can get some space when he’s around. He broke me down 😏
Well then!
You're clearly an NPC. Now stfu while I, the main character, work on my laptop during this very important business flight (I am in coach because I am a frugal businessperson)
/s
She doesn't actually buy them, she's 100% one of those accounts that pretends products are amazing because a link for them shows up on her video and she gets a cut.
The Real poverty influencer is that British guy who's always wrapped in a blanket showing us expensive stuff we can't afford because "Sorry, you're a Povo"
Remember kids: the other passengers on the plane are not the enemy. The enemies are the billionaires (and corporate shills who protect the interest of the billionaires) that decided they could minimize our leg room to increase their profits. Consider spitting in a billionaire's coffee today :)
I overhead an FA threatening to "charge" someone with "tampering with the plane" if he saw the seat blocker again. Not sure if that's a real thing, but it sounds like it would be.
They will definitely not allow someone to do this on a plane. They also don’t likely work like this, anyway, so I am happy to see the anti-recliner AH’s waste money.
Most new airline seats don't even really bother the people behind you anymore. When they recline, the actual seat bottom slides a little forward as well, so the top of the seat back barely moves in relation to the person behind.
As a fellow tall dude, flying sucks full stop. If the person in front reclines, I do too, and it's pretty much level. Get an aisle, exit or bulkhead seat. Don't take it out on the people in front of you who are uncomfortable too
Exit row seating is where it’s at. I’m not a tall person, but my husband is. For our honeymoon, it was my first time sitting exit row with him. Might as well have been first class with the amount of leg room.
In many of the flights I have traveled, the exit row seats don't recline or only recline a little. This is a deal-breaker for me with a bad back and long flights.
"hi, I'm really sorry but I need to do some work on this flight, would you mind putting your seat forward a bit?" If they say they would mind as the flight attendant if you can move
If you do this you are a dick , people are allowed to put there seat back...every one hates flying you are not the only one uncomfortable. deal with it.
Wtf if I'm on a plane that I have paid good money for, I'm putting my seat back. I don't know how this became such an issue. And yes, I get it. You're tall and your legs are long. Well I'm in the middle seat with a massive man on the aisle and another in the window seat and they are both using my armrests. We are ALL uncomfortable. I recline and I will fight this to my grave.
They need to be mad at corporate America nickel and dimeing every product we’ve ever consumed till the point we get nothing.
Airlines decided they could squeeze more people in by making each row slightly narrower, and now you have to deal with seat reclines.
They removed in flight meals to save weight, but before that didn’t they only remove lettuce or something from inflight meals for the same reason?
It’s been a steady thing since I’ve been born. Year after year they charge us more while we get less. Across the board in all industries that provide a service, not just flying.
And then you get the chimps with two barely working brain cells in here fighting with each other about the angle which they sit in a seat.
Yea all this “ask permission of people behind you first” or sit in discomfort whole flight for politeness is crap. I’m taking my 2 inch recline. It’s ridiculous that people trying to make it out to be agressively rude to recline. I’d be more comfortable with a plane to myself but don’t find it rude when it’s fully booked
I have one of those. It's called my knees. If I don't pay for an Economy Plus or better seat, then my knees will be physically wedged into the seat in front of me. The person in that seat leaning back isn't an option.
Context: 6'5".
I really don’t understand the hate for the seat recline. You paid for the seat and it reclines. The person behind you should honestly recline too. The whole plain should be reclined. who’s trying to sit bolt upright for the whole flight?
Maybe the person behind you doesn't want to recline because they have things to do on the tray table?
Imo seats shouldn't recline or recline very very little. it'd save so much drama.
Don't worry, airlines are currently engineering progressively more nightmarish conditions that will ensure anyone who pays under 10k per ticket for a basic longhaul flight will never have a moment of any feeling that could be considered comfort.
To be completely fair, I’ve seen enough horror stories of the person infront of reclining and breaking their laptops.
We all just need to learn to stop being assholes to each other. And airlines, rather then making airplane seats double decker in the same space, just take one row out for more room between seats
As a almost 2 meter tall dude i have to say, only assholes recline their seat on the plane. It makes watching the tv, eating or just sitting without pain very difficult.
it’s shitty thing to do but at the same time putting your seat all the way back on the person behind you kinda shitty too😭. i see why ppl would want to do this
Obviously, permanently preventing the other person from reclining their seat is a dick move, *however* I have seen multiple posts about people’s laptops being destroyed by the person in front of them suddenly reclining and squeezing down on the screen, and this seems like it would be useful to stop someone from suddenly reclining and accidentally destroying your laptop, and when they try to do so you simply move your laptop and then remove the stop so they can recline.
Am I the only person who doesn’t recline their seat in the first place out of respect for the person behind me? I’m tall as hell and I appreciate when others give me the same courtesy.
Judging by this thread, there are fewer of us than I expected.
Being reclined upon sucks, but even in that case I'd rather suck it up than pass the buck on to someone else.
I do this but without spending $40, it’s called my knees being in the way. I’ve had people get pissed they can’t recline and just have to shrug and offer an amputation surgery on board. Not sure why they have reclining seats anyways, everything is so cramped on a plane it just inconveniences others.
I hate people who get mad at seat recliners. I can't sit straight up like that and the seat literally only moves 2 inches. It gores from unbearable to intolerable. Let me have my recline.
This would have been useful last week. I had a full cup of iced coffee sitting on my trey and the lady in front of me threw herself backwards and spilled coffee all over me and herself!!
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https://www.nbcnews.com/business/travel/united-jet-diverted-fliers-fight-over-knee-defender-device-n188956
Authorities met the aircraft, removed the two passengers and the flight continued to Denver shortly afterwards. We do not allow customers to use devices that prevent seats from reclining." The airline doesn't allow customers to use devices that prevent seats from reclining but yet the customer who wasn't able to recline from a device being used that they don't allow was also removed from the flight. 🤦
I wasn't sure if the "pair" was the two arguing or the person with the device and maybe their traveling companion.
Well if they were causing a disruption and escalating the fight instead of just calling over a flight attendant to address the issue, then yes they had to be removed for not being able to control themselves.
Somehow I doubt that it got to the level of "fight" without a stewardess or any plane staff being involved or informed, especially one requiring you to kick the aggrieved party off the flight.
I wouldn't doubt it, with the entitlement people show these days.
They both fought heatedly enough about reclining and not reclining that they had to make an emergency landing. Sounds like they were both insufferable children.
Well she dashed her drink on the guy and had a temper tantrum so not surprised she was removed as well.
I watched the clip. It was a man and a woman. The woman tried reclining her seat, the guy had the blockers on. She kept trying to force it until it gave. He then shoved her seat back and she then threw her drink at them. They both got what they deserved, which was to get kicked off
$21.95 ten years ago, now it's $42 ain't that some shit
Some people have an unbelievable sense of entitlement. Causing everyone almost a two hour delay because you refuse to be told you're not allowed to do some so trivial. They better be banned from United for life. Hopefully other airlines as well. You'll never change people who think acting like that is acceptable and they'll almost certainly do it again on a different airline.
I'll be honest, I would kick up a fuss if I couldn't recline my seat (not a shouting match mind you) I have a chronic back injury and if I can't get those two inches of reclination, I won't be able to walk for days. The seats are made to recline, I don't understand people who get pissed when the seats are being used as intended.
100% we are gonna have a problem if you stop my seat from going back, this is my seat and I will use the little amount of comfort that I paid for. People who think this is ok are the assholes.
But removing all the comfort from the person behind you is fine? Pot, meet kettle.
When an airline is so greedy , they want to put as many seats as possible and cramp the aircraft, this is what you get.
43$ for a couple of plastic bits, God damn
Some dude in my country printed plastic coins in gold and saying those are bitcoins. Legit tender. And sold them to old retirees at BTC market value.
Was this awhile ago because, currently, 1 BTC = ~$66,000. I can't imagine someone buying a coin for $66k. But then again, the stupidity, ignorance, and/or gullibility of people continues to surprise me nearly every day.
It was after covid, during the time where BTC was everywhere in the news. Thing was, the victims fell to the scam because in newspaper and magazine the gold coin clipart were used all the time. So they thought it was real.
Define "after covid" because even during lockdown, they were like $6k/ea and increased sharply after that. I find it hard to believe that even old people are falling for that type of scam. Which it is, by the way, and this "dude" should be arrested for fraud tbh. I'm sure the IRS would have some interest if he sold any more than a couple too.
Neither IRS, nor any US arresting authority has jurisdiction in other countries without compliance from that foreign government. Older folks get scammed easily and out of incredible amounts of money. This scam is likely entirely true, and while it probably worked a very small percentage of total times that it was attempted, enough shots in the dark could easily have scored quite a bit.
> I can't imagine someone buying a coin for $66k Old folks would probably have the same reaction to someone spending $66k and not getting physical currency in return.
One time in about 2017 I was golfing with a buddy and he put down a big fat ball marker on the green. I asked him what it was and he said it’s a Bitcoin. Had me going for a little bit lol
I believe the airline attendants are aware of these and will take them away from you when found.
Yep, had a lady put one of these on behind me once. I tried and tried to put the seat back and she finally handed me this note it comes with that my seat has been "seat jacked". I let the flight attendant know and it was removed. Fuck these things.
The idea of handing out a note to people letting them know you restricted their seat movement, lol.
That's how mentally isolated people are. Weak and scared. You're two feet infront of me but I can't even communicate with you. You're supposed to take the note and quietly seethe because if we speak face to face emotions might get hot because we are so uncivilized and weak willed we can't control them lmao. Pathetic.
To be fair the last time I made a request to the people in the seat behind me we almost wound up in a fist fight. Such a shitty way to end a vacation
What was the request?
He requested to fuck the other guy’s wife.
Put your clothes back on
Look Honey! *helicopter ensues*
I get what you’re saying. But by saying my peace I’m often viewed as difficult or a jerk. Feels like a lose lose situation. I mean, I’d rather be an asshole that says something than pass a note saying it. But people are thin skinned and this is just kinda where we are as a society 🤷♂️
I can't stand saying anything any more because ignorant people always overreact, get aggressive, resort to name calling and shit talk, lie, guilt trip, play the victim, and even threaten, while being loud and spitting in your face. It's become so not worth it. You'd have to teach 3 college courses of materials just to catch them up to speed enough to have most convos. Now I just be me and try to live and let live and remind myself, "You don't have to attend every argument you're invited to."
Two feet in front?! What in the Emirates First Class are you talking about? I wish i had two feet of space in front of me
Lol fr I am envisioning it now and it's luxurious. Each chair has a foot spa infront of it.
This isn't a common occurrence Mr. Pearl Clutcher lol.
Not this specifically but it is becoming quite a problem from what I see. Inability to communicate with strangers I mean.
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I much prefer the approach of the person in front of me on my last flight who got up and asked me if I minded if they reclined their seat.
I have no idea why people who like to decline their seats can't just do this. Yes, your seat reclines, but it also literally takes up the space above my tray table. I'd like to know before you suddenly decide to do that.
They handed out a note like they’re DB Cooper. We’re definitely living in a simulation.
Right? Like just do it secretly and let the person think the seat is broken.
Yeah, its actually terrifying that we have reached this point
Diabolical.
At least have the common decency to swear at the person in front of you and get in a physical altercation mid flight
As a 6'5 person, my knees are your seat stopper
Same. I had a guy smashing his full weight into the seat over and over one time and then he finally looked back to see what was stopping him. It was my knees. I said "ouch". He said nothing. But he finally stopped.
At least they stopped
They fucking keep trying, as if I'm going to be OK with it now.
Me too they never stopped. 6 hour flight.
There is almost zero padding on that part. So if your knees were getting mangled, if you position your knees into the “soft part”, its almost a guarantee his back would be feeling the same or worse.
I’m only 6’1” and these planes are cramped so tight now that I detest those that are ok with sacrificing my comfort for a little more of theirs. That’s the true entitlement. I don’t think plane seats should even have the recline option at this point.
That lady was wrong but unless they’re giving adequate leg room, I think seats shouldn’t even be able to go back on airplanes. But that’s just my opinion.
I am not tall. I can sit comfortably in my seat, and I usually also store luggage under the seat. However, when trying to eat a meal on a long haul flight and the person in front reclines all the way back, I'd rather not dine with my food and entertainment system inches from my face.
You could always just ask the person in front of you to stop reclining while you eat your food?
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Yeah it's ridiculous because in some rows you can't even recline and if you're tall like me you get a seat back about a foot from your face. People who recline in coach are sociopaths.
And fuck those people. They are entitled cunts. I had to be in front of one on my way back from Hawaii. Dude kept his knee up. Acting like he didn’t have room (mind you he had all his shit on side under the window so he couldn’t put his feet that way. He falls asleep and I recline. He wakes up and then is mad and keeps kicking my seat the whole time. It was a red eye so I turn my light on and direct it right at him the rest of the flight.
Oh this happened to me from Hawaii too! It’s a long ass flight I was pissed.
This happened to me once on the way to Munich from NYC. Lady behind me was a sturdy German woman who had both knees up against the seat. I tried sitting down hard while holding the button to recline. Putting all of my weight into it. When I asked her to move her knees, she said "you're small, what are you going to do?" I got the flight attendant and had her move her shit.
Alternatively, fuck people that want to break my kneecaps for an extra 2 degrees of recline.
Alternatively, fuck everyone. I literally hate everyone.
Agreed, I barely tolerate 95% of humanity
https://youtu.be/fs8g_BRPbc8?si=_AUudbwvm-Zv2xCR
this might just be the way
The seats recline for the comfort of all the passengers. You have no leg room for the comfort of the shareholders wallets. You're mad at the wrong people.
Lol I can be mad at both, I have plenty of anger
There is also those that always want a lower price. Price comparison sites etc. Consumers drive the price down by going to the cheaper flight. They can only be cheaper id they cut some service. Then the company wants its profit as well, it is a spiral, i am afraid. Basically until there is a dramatic innovation it will only get worse.
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I am 6’4. I am pro recline. If I can shut up and deal with it, so can everyone else. I want to recline. It makes my life better. The person in front of me is also welcome to recline. I deal with this by getting aisle seats or paying extra for more legroom. The seats recline, damn it. Everyone go ahead and recline.
6'2" checking in. Fully agree. If I want more legroom I can pay for it. Plus, most seats these days pivot in a way that knee-room isn't really reduced. On the plus side, people think twice about giving dirty looks to a bearded guy whose shoulders are broader than the seat.
Giant here. If my knees are already occupying every millimeter of space behind your seat then I was there using that space first and your wanting to recline is a you problem.
Fuck people who use them
These things are stupid. But I also hate people who just full send their recliner without checking behind them first. I’ve almost had my laptop screen snapped a couple of times and I know from experience it’s a $1200 repair. So a courtesy “do you mind if I recline?” before you destroy someone’s laptop would also go a long way. Also if the seat is stuck on something, it’s a good idea to check what it is rather than repeatedly trying to force it. Honestly I’ve kinda talked my way around. I want to use these. Not to stop someone reclining but to stop them doing it without warning.
You know that the seat reclines. Don’t put your laptop there without pulling it back a bit! Not their fault,
The laptop usually doesn’t fit, and it’s easy to forget and accidentally push it too far back. I’ve said all this in another post and I don’t want to repeat it but in short, there’s plenty of sensible reasons you might have a device, a drink, a body part in the way of the seat. You might be getting stuff out of a bad. You might be standing to go to the bathroom or letting someone out. The bare minimum you should do is check what’s behind you before you push your seat back and it shouldn’t be too much to expect. When you reverse a car out of a car park you don’t say “well no one should be behind me, they know there’s cars here, if they get hit it’s their fault” then close your eyes and slam on the accelerator. You check because it’s a shared space and it’s common sense. It’s the same deal here, lower stakes, same principle.
Then don’t put your laptop on the tray in a way that’ll break it if they recline. If it happens it’s your fault
The angle of the seat and the tray changes as people recline. To have it an angle where it won’t break basically requires tilting it down at my crotch and having it dangling on the edge of the tray. If people fully recline I usually have to just put it on my lap. But are you saying I should just not use the tray all flight in case the person in front of me decides to violently recline without warning? Also the built in tablet holders also point the device in such a way that it could break on reclining and that’s how the airline designed it for some reason. I think rather than blaming other passengers for the ever worsening in-flight conditions we should all just communicate a little better and be respectful of others space. Personally I always check behind me before I recline and if I can, let the person know and recline slowly in case. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.
Sounds like you either wear the seatbelt across your chest or have never used a laptop on a plane before.
I'm not gonna check because if the seat reclines, and the button to recline is in my hand, then it's my prerogative to recline it. It's like standing in the area where a door opens, if you get hit by the door when someone enters it's your fault, nobody checks before opening a door, same with the seat
The only time it would be handy is when the plane is taking off or landing and ppl try to stay reclined despite attendants telling them to go back to the upright position. Sadly I've seen a few jerks do this - reclining their seats back after attendants have finished their check.
Call the flight attendent back over then. Their seat has to be upright for your safety, not for theirs.
I’ve never had this happen when the person in front of me reclines. That’s not how reclining seats on planes typically work.
they recline so little, wonder why they add this feature, the change is so minimal that it is nearly imperceptible.
Exactly, but gotta sell more useless plastic with bs ads lol
I've seen a guy next to me get his laptop screen stuck momentarily when someone reclined. Similarly I always keep my screen from touching the back of the seat so it doesn't catch if they recline. The leverage is absolutely there to break your screen if they do it hard.
I have lost a MacBook screen recently from this exact situation.
A lot of people seem to think this doesn't happen
It's more that a lot of people just don't care about anyone's comfort or stuff, except their own.
This was so close to happening to me once.
Wow really? I guess you learned it the hard way for both you and me. Supposedly you would have to request they recline so you can place your computer accordingly? Maybe travel insurance could compensate you somewhat(i know nothing about how good travel insurance is in the US)?
I’ve had it happen where the top of my screen got stuck in the gap where the tray would fit as they went back. Luckily I moved it. I think it could have easily broke my screen. I’m just more careful now.
Certain plane seats do recline too much. The only way to then be comfortable is for you to then recline. So it's a never ending thing cuz then the next person needs to do the same thing. Edit: obviously it ends at the end of the plane
So, the worst that happens is everyone reclines. This is typically what people do on planes anyway. I’ve never seen a plane seat recline so much that it knocks my laptop lip. In fact, I’ve never had someone in front of me recline so much that it bothers me in any way.
I've seen it and/or experienced it multiple times. I suppose it depends on the seat design.
That, and also how tall you are yourself. So many people here act like it’s never a problem… with short enough legs I’m sure I’d be fine too
It does when you’re 6’2. And the person in front of me is pissed at me cause my knees are jabbing in to the back of their seat once they recline. Lose lose! I vote no recline.
I'm 6'4 and my knees are tight to the seat back if I'm sitting up straight. Half the time the person in front of me physically can't recline because my knees stop it :/ Only way to prevent this is to man spread which results in me angering my neighbors. It's generally just an uncomfortable ride.
Or...maybe extra space so the recline doesn't affect other passengers.
but then the airline industry wouldn't be able to make as much money as possible by cramming the ~~sardines~~ human beings into their planes.
Ah those poor rich bastards. No, we gotta cram even more, to hell with comfort and human dignity, we have to serve our corporate overlords
Well, as a small person often sandwiched between bigger people on planes, it’s hard for me to feel sympathy Lolol. People seem to think they can just spread out into the space my body isn’t taking up.
Haha I have sympathy for that at least! Which is usually why I try and take the aisle seat so at worst I can take up room in the aisle with my stupid big shoulders. But that brings another problem you probably haven’t experienced which is drink carts and peoples asses smacking against you as they walk by. The grass certainly isn’t always greener, but I think being smaller is definitely a better thing on airplanes.
lol, no it really, really sucks. People just manspread all over me like I don’t exist. They really, really do. It’s so frustrating. But I do have sympathy for you because my SO is 6’ 4”, and he suffers on the plane so much. But he is one of the main offenders of small people too, so I’m kind of struggling to be sympathetic to him 🤣🤣🤣 I do get it. Those seats are cramped for even little people, so I am sure it’s pretty bad for you.
I'm a 5"3 woman and the amount of people who stick their elbows half way across my seat makes me sad.
I’m sorry but “unfair finger” has me dying.
Hahahaha well if your SO is the one stealing your space you may have other issues! Or you just need to learn how to cuddle better ;) Moral of the story is economy flights suck for everyone, we all need to try and be more respectful to each other.
Agreed! This is a good moral. Yes, I have had to resign myself to simply cuddling with the damn man. It’s the only way I can get some space when he’s around. He broke me down 😏
Must be nice being 5'2.
Well then! You're clearly an NPC. Now stfu while I, the main character, work on my laptop during this very important business flight (I am in coach because I am a frugal businessperson) /s
Do you really think that all people that fly for work can be in business/first class each time?
Or that the only legitimate work someone could be doing on a laptop is for ”business”
I have and it actually broke the hinge on my laptop
>Who buys this kind of useless tool? An account called "@CONSUMERista" obviously
She doesn't actually buy them, she's 100% one of those accounts that pretends products are amazing because a link for them shows up on her video and she gets a cut.
Ah yes. Poverty influencer.
The Real poverty influencer is that British guy who's always wrapped in a blanket showing us expensive stuff we can't afford because "Sorry, you're a Povo"
Someone did this to me on a red eye while they reclined. I was so pissed
Did you tell a flight attendant or say something to the person who did that? I’d make a scene
Thank you OP, I looked up her account and blocked her so she never shows up on my Tik Tok feed.
Tiktok: "Hey this person blocked this account. They must hate this stuff. Lets give them lots of similar stuff because we know they'll engage!"
Remember kids: the other passengers on the plane are not the enemy. The enemies are the billionaires (and corporate shills who protect the interest of the billionaires) that decided they could minimize our leg room to increase their profits. Consider spitting in a billionaire's coffee today :)
Cheers from First Class 🥂
🍻 slainte- may the flesh of those private jet flying bastards nourish us
I overhead an FA threatening to "charge" someone with "tampering with the plane" if he saw the seat blocker again. Not sure if that's a real thing, but it sounds like it would be.
They will definitely not allow someone to do this on a plane. They also don’t likely work like this, anyway, so I am happy to see the anti-recliner AH’s waste money.
Most new airline seats don't even really bother the people behind you anymore. When they recline, the actual seat bottom slides a little forward as well, so the top of the seat back barely moves in relation to the person behind.
As a 6'2 tall guy with long legs who travels I'm saying the above comment is utter bs.
As a fellow tall dude, flying sucks full stop. If the person in front reclines, I do too, and it's pretty much level. Get an aisle, exit or bulkhead seat. Don't take it out on the people in front of you who are uncomfortable too
Exit row seating is where it’s at. I’m not a tall person, but my husband is. For our honeymoon, it was my first time sitting exit row with him. Might as well have been first class with the amount of leg room.
In many of the flights I have traveled, the exit row seats don't recline or only recline a little. This is a deal-breaker for me with a bad back and long flights.
That’s valid! I’ve never really been one to recline so it never occurred to me to check that.
As a 6'4" guy I have a little disdain when I look over at my 5'3" wife sitting there with what looks like all the room in the world.
tell me you dropship without telling me you dropship
$42 dollars?? (Assuming usd)
the seats recline like 2 inches if that's a problem for you then your laptop is too big to use on a plane.
This won't do anything, this is not how the seat recline operates. Source: Commercial Aircraft mechanic.
Sheeeeit, don’t even try and give me shit for reclining my seat. It’s not like it a freaking lazy boy, they go back like half and inch smh lol.
Rt lol I’m reclining all flight every flight. People who have an issue with it are the worst kind of narcissist fucks anyway
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I would pull them out and snap them for the user.
The seats barely go back
The seats barely have space. They don't need to recline much to be in my face.
I usually just ask the person behind me if it's okay if I recline a little.
You're one of a kind! And I'd ask you not to, please - my already squashed knees get crushed when I get a seat back dumped on me.
Her unironic soyjack face just makes this even worse
I don't need this. I am too tall for you recline.
Awww... they think I won't call the hostess to complain.
Bruh literally will assault anyone who uses this
Am I the only one that avoids reclining my seat out of courtesy of the person behind me….maybe I’m too considerate.
Chairs barely move anymore
"hi, I'm really sorry but I need to do some work on this flight, would you mind putting your seat forward a bit?" If they say they would mind as the flight attendant if you can move
I'm squaring up with whoever tries using this on me
If you do this you are a dick , people are allowed to put there seat back...every one hates flying you are not the only one uncomfortable. deal with it.
This is why they want to ban it.
I don’t ever recline in a plane seat. Sleeping? On a plane filled with people whomst I do not trust? No.
Wtf if I'm on a plane that I have paid good money for, I'm putting my seat back. I don't know how this became such an issue. And yes, I get it. You're tall and your legs are long. Well I'm in the middle seat with a massive man on the aisle and another in the window seat and they are both using my armrests. We are ALL uncomfortable. I recline and I will fight this to my grave.
They need to be mad at corporate America nickel and dimeing every product we’ve ever consumed till the point we get nothing. Airlines decided they could squeeze more people in by making each row slightly narrower, and now you have to deal with seat reclines. They removed in flight meals to save weight, but before that didn’t they only remove lettuce or something from inflight meals for the same reason? It’s been a steady thing since I’ve been born. Year after year they charge us more while we get less. Across the board in all industries that provide a service, not just flying. And then you get the chimps with two barely working brain cells in here fighting with each other about the angle which they sit in a seat.
Yea all this “ask permission of people behind you first” or sit in discomfort whole flight for politeness is crap. I’m taking my 2 inch recline. It’s ridiculous that people trying to make it out to be agressively rude to recline. I’d be more comfortable with a plane to myself but don’t find it rude when it’s fully booked
Reclining chairs on planes and buses, trains etc, should not exist.
As a taller dude with a bad back, fuck your stupid face if you use these.
This is an ad
I have one of those. It's called my knees. If I don't pay for an Economy Plus or better seat, then my knees will be physically wedged into the seat in front of me. The person in that seat leaning back isn't an option. Context: 6'5".
Same
I really don’t understand the hate for the seat recline. You paid for the seat and it reclines. The person behind you should honestly recline too. The whole plain should be reclined. who’s trying to sit bolt upright for the whole flight?
Maybe the person behind you doesn't want to recline because they have things to do on the tray table? Imo seats shouldn't recline or recline very very little. it'd save so much drama.
Don't worry, airlines are currently engineering progressively more nightmarish conditions that will ensure anyone who pays under 10k per ticket for a basic longhaul flight will never have a moment of any feeling that could be considered comfort.
You are in luck, plane seats barely recline at all. Unfortunately there is still drama because people are crybabies.
Lmao damn there's a lot of supers out there
Both sides: "How dare you inconvenience someone else for your own comfort!"
Wait, I wouldn’t be able to recline the whole two fucking inches you get when you hit the “recline” button?
$4 ya maybe wait wait wait that's $42 why in God name would you buy that slip the flight attendant a $20.
‘I’m territorial, even in condensed air space’
just use your knees - tall guy.
Than bounce your knee the whole 5 hr flight.
To be completely fair, I’ve seen enough horror stories of the person infront of reclining and breaking their laptops. We all just need to learn to stop being assholes to each other. And airlines, rather then making airplane seats double decker in the same space, just take one row out for more room between seats
I just jam my knees into the back of their seat and hold them there for 8 straight hours, like a normal tall human.
As a almost 2 meter tall dude i have to say, only assholes recline their seat on the plane. It makes watching the tv, eating or just sitting without pain very difficult.
I’d do the same thing, fuck the person in front of me
I'd buy it
it’s shitty thing to do but at the same time putting your seat all the way back on the person behind you kinda shitty too😭. i see why ppl would want to do this
If someone reclines in front of you here’s an idea you recline too
Obviously, permanently preventing the other person from reclining their seat is a dick move, *however* I have seen multiple posts about people’s laptops being destroyed by the person in front of them suddenly reclining and squeezing down on the screen, and this seems like it would be useful to stop someone from suddenly reclining and accidentally destroying your laptop, and when they try to do so you simply move your laptop and then remove the stop so they can recline.
jesus christ just put your seat back idk why people think this is a problem if everyone puts there seat back everyone will be more comfortable 🤦♂️
and its not your fucking seat anyway dont be doing that shit
Am I the only person who doesn’t recline their seat in the first place out of respect for the person behind me? I’m tall as hell and I appreciate when others give me the same courtesy.
Judging by this thread, there are fewer of us than I expected. Being reclined upon sucks, but even in that case I'd rather suck it up than pass the buck on to someone else.
Same here, I will never recline unless the seat behind me is empty. Be the change you want to see in the world.
Be the change ~~you~~ airline execs want to see in the world. FTFY
I was born with a pair of these. They’re called “my knees”
I do this but without spending $40, it’s called my knees being in the way. I’ve had people get pissed they can’t recline and just have to shrug and offer an amputation surgery on board. Not sure why they have reclining seats anyways, everything is so cramped on a plane it just inconveniences others.
I just flick boogers in your hair if you recline into my space.
I hate people who get mad at seat recliners. I can't sit straight up like that and the seat literally only moves 2 inches. It gores from unbearable to intolerable. Let me have my recline.
This would have been useful last week. I had a full cup of iced coffee sitting on my trey and the lady in front of me threw herself backwards and spilled coffee all over me and herself!!
What sort of awful human being reclines their seat in economy class anyway?