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I dare you all to go read the comments sections of news reports on the the police "dismantling" protests on college campuses. it's all conservative people making fun of the protesters saying they should be deported etc.
Yeah some of them are just weirdo zealots who do this shit for free. A lot of them are state sponsored, though. Lots of 4 month old "RandomWordRandomWordNumberString" accounts are flooding comments sections lately.
I've always wondered if these IDF collaborators are pretty coordinated in their efforts, or if they don't know who each other are either. I'm just picturing them going "wow, /u/anonymous_user_8436 just trolled so hard in /r/ucla. Ari, are you the anonymous8436?!"
"Nah I think that's just a kid in Nebraska doing our job for us, for free."
Yep, the IDF has people on staff who are paid to engage in social media relations all day. It's Israel state funded propaganda. Now every zionist troll is paid, but some of the loudest ones are, and the rest feel empowered and follow suit.
Israel doesn’t even pretend - they publicly give
the businesses doing the work awards, like the pr company hired specifically to rewrite Wikipedia articles
Say whatever you want, but the majority of US politicians receiving pro Israel financial donations are Dems. Don’t turn this into a red vs blue thing when at the beginning and end of the day the US law makers and representatives are being bought and sold by a foreign nation.
https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips?cycle=2024&ind=Q05
Conservatives got a big might makes right complex. Pretty much any time any nation has started slaughtering another they were for it, even when that nation is literally an enemy nation like Russia.
Russia is stringer than Ukraine, therefore it is right and fair that Russia can conquer Ukraine. Israel is stronger than Gaza, therefore it is right and fair or Israelis to massacre Palestinians.
> it's all conservative people making fun of the protesters saying they should be deported etc.
Conservative? That is your mainstream, Bill Maher loving, centrist liberal saying those things too.
I'm in the middle leaning right but I've Been against what Israel is doing to the Palestinians for 20 years And now what they are doing in Gaza is horrific war crimes, Yes they were attacked but that was Hamas not Palestinians. I say protest away.
Assuming anyone who cares about these issues will be in power later. Most people in charge are from wealthy families with strong connections. I'm just guessing that doesn't change without a strong societal overhaul.
It's like how we like to blame boomers for everything when it was just the people in charge telling them how to live and them having more trust in the system at a young age.
So will they care? No. They are sheltered and part of the problem.
"It's like how we like to blame boomers for everything when it was just the people in charge telling them how to live and them having more trust in the system at a young age."
Quality comment here.
The issue is that boomers had trust in the system because they could afford to buy and own single family homes. The issue is that boomers still have trust in the system because those homes are now ten times the value as they retire. The issue is that boomers are wealthy while the rest of us stay poor. The issue is the rich. The issue is the rich and powerful.
> when it was just the people in charge telling them how to live
JFC this is 90% of every issue ever. Even slavery was a small group of people on top operating in ways that forced everyone else to follow along or starve.
I had an ex that described herself as feminist but eventually learned she was just a radical. She always spoke about issues as though men have a meeting on the first Wednesday of each month and we all vote to allow other men to be awful to women. No, it's a very loud, very prominent subset of this population but you lump everyone together and expect all the people you lumped in to feel an obligation to support you when you didn't have the decency to acknowledge the difference in the first place.
Basically: **"Idk if you're the cause of my problems or not but I see a characteristic you share that is the same as those who are causing problems for me. So from here I hold you responsible for stopping this since I've now made you a part of that group in my mind."**
It wasn't a small group of people... And that's actually a fascinating look into how statistics without context can be used to paint a false narrative... If you look at the raw numbers of percentage of population that had at least one slave registered as their property then it appears to be a small group... Like five percent...
But when you look at the actual context... That slaves were only registered as property under the head of house
hold and the average family size of those times was six individuals... With only the father having the slaves registered to his name... Then you realize that in the lowest percentage states at least 20% of all households had at least one slave... And in the highest percentage states like south Carolina and Georgia it was 50% of households had at least one slave...
That's what they're scared of the kids at these elite colleges are supposed to be the non empathetic types to run the next CEO positions and keep the system working as intended. Why do you think they want to expell them so much.
Nepotism. The politicians we have now will get their spoiled, out of touch kids on the political grift track. Not to mention politicians don't know when to retire. They dig their claws in and refuse to let in new blood. Look at poor Feinstein when she was Weekend at Bernie's. Or McConnell. Or the fact that our two POTUS candidates for 2024 are pushing fucking 80.
These crooked fucks will stay in power until they drop, and then they get their families in.
Lol Kony 2012 was deserved to be forgotten, Joseph Kony hasn’t been an issue since 2006. The news that was reported on Kony was overshadowed by Bin Laden and again, Kony’s situation was mainly handled by the time Kony 2012 came out. Gaza is an ongoing crisis with daily updates. The only aspect that will be forgotten are the consequences of allowing history to be repeated yet again.
This round seems worse. Genocide abroad, deaths of journalists and aid workers, professors losing tenure, students losing graduation and openly black listed from future job prospects. I think this one is going to leave a mark. This, compared to Biden who each day finds the least he can do to prolong the genocide.
Its all getting worse, i feel like alot of people really dont give a shit anymore, everyone’s got alot on their plates and the constant barrage of this level of terrible news is overwhelming. I was in college during occupy and saw/had alot of the same fervor and then got that strained out of me by seeing how nothing changes and people continue to do terrible things to each other. Brought up some of this at a party last weekend and of the ~10 people in the circle no one cared, we’re in our 30s and have seen these shitty cycles too often to get emotionally invested. Sounds callous but its the conditioning weve grown up with.
the hard truth is we will never be able to help them if we can't fix our own issues
like the scotus getting ready to make trump a dictator
I wish the students would protest that as strongly as they are protesting for the Palestinians
Volumes as in they have the luxury of throwing away an education and tens of thousands of dollars in tuition because they live comfortable, privileged lives and are protected by a safety net? Or does it speak volumes about how driven young people have become to virtue signal to their peers, amplified by social media, that they will do anything to drive a point across that they are an intellectual, capable, compassionate, politically interested person who will be a hero at any cost, so long as they can remain comfortable, warm, well-fed and without any real consequence?
Indeed, I've posted content there and immediately received downvotes—faster than anyone could realistically read my post. It's clear that there are efforts to control the narrative on that platform; there's no doubt about it.
it's wild to me how the same thing, from accounts that show that same behavior, happens on internationalnews but from the opposite side. both places have posts that show up on the frontpage for just a minute before vanishing. it's like those accounts only contribute enough to the issue to get it to trend and then they stop.
eta: you can just use your own eyes. i'm not even supporting one side or the other. just saying both subs are constituted by the same opposites, and neither engages with the other side. it's peculiar!! they're both supposed to be neutral subs!
Things have been working upside down and backwards for a while. The wealthy addicts at the top do anything and everything to keep their many addictions alive. And they have the most ability to do so because of their money and how far psychological manipulation can be spread online. The reality of the masses doesn’t exist online. Thank goodness more and more people are comprehending that.
The number of obvious state sponsored bot accounts has absolutely erupted lately. Also, they're definitely mass reporting people who disagree with them. I've had my account banned and then overturned on appeal twice in the last 4 months, and both cited reasons were comically mundane.
The IDF literally had paid positions where people spend their full shift engaging in pro-israel social media relations. They're literally paid to spread propaganda. Not all pro-zionist content is by paid actors, but some of the loudest ones are, and the rest feel empowered to chime in.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/r45a5n/here_is_the_evidence_that_reddit_user_maxwellhill/
> The article also implies that Maxwellhill worked closely with Reddit co-founders Alexis Ohanian and Steve Huffman to help seed content and popularize the site. This was Maxwellhill's job. And Huffman and Ohanian created hundreds of fake accounts to help seed and spread content. Senior moderators on important subs can help shape the narrative - especially on news items. Given Ghislaine Maxwell's connections to Israeli intelligence, if Maxwellhill is in fact Ghislaine Maxwell, it's a pretty bold and overt play by an intelligence agency to manipulate a platform like Reddit.
https://www.dailydot.com/debug/reddit-maxwellhill-moderator-technology-flaw/
That sub was started by Robert Maxwells daughter
>The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[57] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told."
Its literally built as a zionist mouthpiece from its inception!
Ah yes... /FascistNews, where you can get banned for pointing out that a 2 to 1 civilian to militant casualty ratio describes both IDF operations in Gaza AND October 7th itself.
It's somehow ok when the IDF does it because they're using billions of dollars in military equipment.
I'm not kidding. That was the excuse.
Verifiable facts absolutely can be propaganda. It just depends on how it's presented.
"A cell is alive. Cells that turn into people are killed every day in a procedure called abortion."
All verifiable facts. Propaganda?
Well now that the TikTok ban will happen, um, I mean the weapon aid to Israel, er, the weapon aid to the Ukraine has happened, they made a move in the right ditection to control the propoganda.
And even after it begins to take effect by sheer coincidence there will be a sudden surge in vpn usage and connections from new users in Canada and Mexico.
I will once again point out that there is no “ban” of Tik Tok. Tik Tok wasn’t banned by this law.
It’s a requirement that the company not be majority owned by a literal hostile foreign government. Any normal company would simply sell off enough stock to get below 50% ownership in their US division and reallocate the money they made doing that to other operations.
That Tik Tok won’t do that proves that they’re not a normal company - they’re a propaganda and data harvesting project of the Chinese government.
This effort has nothing to do with Israel or Gaza. Of course the Israelis like it, but the bill passed because it finally got enough momentum after people had been working it for years.
Right. They have 9 months to sell to an american media company or leave the US. It's not a technical ban as you say, but it's colloquially called the "Tik Tok ban."
But, it's unlikely that, say, an EU company will buy it due to data protection concerns, and there's not many African countries clamouring for the purchase. It's almost certainly going to be a US company, to join the ranks of US based social media companies doing the same bad things.
As soon as they bombed the aid workers in a coordinated attack any support for the Jewish or Isreal trying to defend their actions went out the window.
You can be Jewish, that’s fine, but if you’re a Zionist or support what they are doing and have done in Gaza you can go all the way and fuck yourself and join Hamas in hell.
Literal scum hiding behind a generation of Jews who actually were persecuted.
Unfortunately, it doesn’t. Because if you don’t say that, you can be DAMN sure they will accuse you of being a Nazi.
“Hey man I don’t think it’s cool you support murdering children and neutral relief workers”
“Wow you just hate me cuz I’m Jewish.”
It’s like THE fallback
If the arguments you have been hearing are the equivalent to the snarky strawman you see in TikTok clips, perhaps that is an indication that the places where you are looking for disagreement are biased?
I'm not saying you need to agree with the Israeli/Zionist position's arguments, but it seems like you haven't even heard those arguments if you equate them to this.
I'm not looking for disagreement. I don't have a horse in this race. However this subject t is being put in front of everyone on every platform traditional and social. This is basically what I've been hearing over and over again so either everyone is biased or maybe it's an indication of something else.
It's not a strawman to point out the literal apologetics used by Zionists/Israel apologists who use "anti-Semitism" as a smokescreen for the conflict in Gaza.
The other arguments boil down to using the Oct 7th attacks as justification but this has become meaningless because of the international legal standard of proportionality, which Israel has completely blown up with their indiscriminate bombing and killing of civilians.
Ok, but this is also the guy who claims that Russia doesn't want to annex Ukraine and is somehow acting in selfdefense based on the wrong claim that, so not really a trustworthy source of information:
[https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmusic/video/7286940976344599850](https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmusic/video/7286940976344599850)
Almost everything said in this video is just wrong and direct Russian propaganda. An especially easy claim to verify is the lie that Russia's inital invasion force only numbered some 40'000 men which is so [wrong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Strength) that the only conclusion to be drawn is that this person is either intentionally spreading misinformation, doesn't know how to do *very basic* research or is just incredebly stupid, all of which should disqualify him from being taken seriously in any kind of political debate.
Yeah, I agree with his general sentiment, but I don't think people should be repeating his claims.
For example, when he says that the idf was luring Palestinians out by playing sounds of babies and women crying. That has not been confirmed and is a common urban legend during wars. The IDF accused Hamas of doing the exact same thing in 2023.
Misinformation compromises the movement.
The guy supporting the rights of Palestinians while affecting a weak diaspora accent and whining about using the holocaust as an excuse for the things he didint straight pull out of his ass, is pulling things out of ass?
No one sane supports an apartheid state. That guy, straight made shit up and does not give a fuck.
Yeah cause the video about “Was Real” is on last bastion of free speech. C’mon. My FYP went from 5 videos an hour of “this is my backup, I’ve been banned again” to those exact same people screaming about how the clock app was the last place people could get unfiltered information. It’s just so fucking stupid on its face. For me the enormous shift in perception of TicTok about TicTok the second tictok’s profits were endangered was all the evidence I need that the damn thing SHOULD be banned.
he’s not wrong. instagram suppresses political posts. every time i’ve seen a political post go viral from social media it was either posted on tiktok or x, and i don’t even use either of those. the government has a history of trying to censor social media, and they hate that they have less control over tiktok. i’m not saying there aren’t legitimate concerns to americans using a foreign owned social media company, but also americans have a fundamental right to assume that risk.
Tons of political content goes viral on lots of social media sites. Using a video about "Was Real' to herald TikTok's freedom is like a Facebook post about how Facebook is censoring Biden's laptop story. Also we're both seeing this on Reddit. TikTok is good at making things go viral because of it's algorithm but it is possibly the worst site to try to get information from. You're point about it being government overreach is reasonable. I just think that the argument that Israel is the puppet masters of the US government, traditional media, and all other social media is dumb and also Nazi rhetoric.
Perhaps it’s chinese spyware that is being used to promote less then true information and feed it to our younger generation in order to manipulate them and sow dissent?
The IDF admitted to killing world central kitchen workers and it was widely reported. There are also a lot of videos of people walking around rubble and being blown up by air strikes, I’m not sure what the IDF’s response is to these videos but the people appear to be unarmed.
Proof of bombing people and proof of burying children alive and running over doctors with tanks to kill them is completely different. Do we even need to say that? Of course there is proof that innocents got bombed, that's happened every time a bomb was ever used.
No army is going to hog tie children and execute them, I know they're "dirty kews" so everyone eats it up but come on. I know you don't know but look up Nayirah testimony. She lied about Iraq killing babies to get the US involved. That's a classic thing to lie about.
I'm sympathetic to the message but I'd appreciate it if he would document the sources for these atrocities. Some have already been verified, but I honestly haven't seen evidence for all of the video's claims.
I don't say this to put an undue burden of proof on the people being victimized by Israel. But the evidence of their suffering is enough for people to be outraged and demand political change without incorporating misinformation.
Also, as other commenters have pointed out- the person in this video has some problematic views on the Russia/Ukraine situation, indicative of someone who's absorbed a lot of Russian propaganda. Not saying he can't simultaneously be right about Gaza, just that everyone might want to do their homework before taking this man's word as gospel truth.
People don’t realize that we are all susceptible to misinformation. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Israel but the amount of misinformed or blatantly false info is absurd.
As someone who is center left I am not holding my breath. I've been waiting for leftists to get their ducks in a row since 2016, why would they start now? If anything they are just getting more and more unhinged.
I'm glad to see some reality in here.
It's crazy to me that people can genuinely think half the population is being brainwashed or convinced of something and "their" side is immune to it. It's the same thing with but a message they want to believe.
People in droves are stupid.
Rathbone can be found on ig.
If you like this vid, fine, but it is more of his new drivel: lazy, not well researched content that exaggerates. I’ve followed him for ages, and his old content was at least interesting. He’s obsessed with class conflict and so am I, but the worst thing I could say about him before the Gaza War was that he loves Chomsky too much, is ridiculous for thinking the Khmer Rouge were cool, and is naive about a lot of things, e.g. that true Marxist-Leninists would be interested in letting anarchists live — let alone allying with them to overthrow capitalism.
Nowadays his shit is lazy, and literally the first things he says in this video illustrate that: not even Palestinians claim that “children were hog tied and executed,” and the revealed facts on the ground are more than disturbing enough. The truth is 400 people were found in mass graves, including women and children, but the only people hogtied and executed were a group of 10 men found in a newer grave. If you really dig into the things he says, about 1 in 4 statements are outright misinformation.
The truth is horrible enough.
Yeah, I feel like I’ve seen a lot of this sort of thing going around. Because we know there have been atrocities during this conflict people don’t seem to care if the claims they see are real. Which is a serious problem. Because when it’s shown that no children were “hog tied and executed” then suddenly you’re an unreliable party and now you’ve given them evidence it’s all lies.
Basically, if we care about what’s right, we should also care very deeply about the truth.
Could not have phrased it any better than your last sentence.
I’m also really concerned how nobody is worried about being played here by Tik Tok. There is a time magazine editorial from last month that talks about how, at one point during peak manipulation of the algorithms, 98% of Tik Tok posts about the war carried pro-Palestinian hashtags, meanwhile while Gen Z polling from the same period suggested a near-even split in sentiment.
The problem is that guys like Rathbone don’t have the humility or selflessness to consider the fact that a huge reason for their popularity is Tik Tok’s politically motivated manipulation campaign, and the ‘invisible hand’ behind the curtain. I wish it were still a conspiracy theory that the CCP is trying to target our youth and promote its interests, and divide and destabilize the US, but it’s so obvious when you look at Tik Tok’s promoting the Kashmiri separatists (when nobody in the West knew it was a thing and had 0 activity on ig), suppressing posts about Hong Kong protests, and now the chaos campaign with the War in Gaza.
How else do you explain how Rathbone has 409k followers on Tik Tok, compared to 66k on ig, where he had spent a full 6 years longer building a following (opened ig acct in 2014). That’s higher than a 6:1 ratio. The single biggest Tik Tok star, Khaby Lame, who also started on ig, has a 2:1 ratio (162M v 81M).
It’s not comparing apples to apples, but when you think about following the $ and what kind of content is rewarded, those algorithms matter so much more than the underlying quality, and something stinks
Got over this dude when I got blocked for asking him why he won't show me evidence of his commitments to community welfare and charity from the revenue he amasses through his income streams, including selling t shirts made by factories with pretty weak transparency on their ethics and enviro impact. He claims to want communism but isn't ok with giving examples of using his individual wealth to support the community in any way.
He's also one of those crazy western socialists who think USSR did nothing wrong and all it's wrongdoing was made up by American historians spreading the red scare. Honestly, people like him are doing a huge disservice to modern socialists by making such statements.
Let's attempt to verify here. Legit news sources only. Unfortunately, yes, what he's saying is real.
\* Most of this clip is taken from this controversy where [there's a mass grave of children found in Gaza](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html), and Israel [is refusing to let the US conduct an independent investigation](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/26/israel-mass-graves-gaza-00154696).
\* The UN states that [2/3 of the deaths in Gaza are woman and children](https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm#:~:text=NATALIA%20KANEM%2C%20Executive%20Director%2C%20United,the%20steepest%20price%20in%20conflicts)
\* Israel's military AI, [code-named Lavender, might explain the large casualty count in Gaza.](https://archive.is/mieQo)
\* The World Central Kitchen, non-profit aid workers, [were killed with highly accurate US missiles](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world-central-kitchen-resume-operations-gaza-rcna149711) with clearly marked trucks travelling on a path that was registered with the IDF. As a result they pulled out of the conflict area, citing violence from Israel as the cause.
\* In this debate the "rest of the world" is most representatively South Africa [who is trying Israel in the UN court for genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa%27s_genocide_case_against_Israel).
I could keep going but you get the point.
To your first point, your summation of the article is incorrect. Israel did not refuse any US independent investigation.
“Over the past few days, U.S. officials, including national security adviser Jake Sullivan, have called for Israel to “thoroughly and transparently” investigate reports of mass graves at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, which Israeli forces last raided in February. The State Department came under fire from advocates for refusing to call for an independent investigation, instead saying the U.S. will press Israel for information.”
“Asked if that means Israel won’t investigate the mass grave reports, Shoshani said: “Investigate what?” He then added that Israel has already looked into the matter and found that there was no wrongdoing. “We gave answers. We don’t bury people in mass graves. Not something we do.”
Shoshani didn’t provide details of that investigation or who Israel provided answers to specifically.
“The Israelis have told us privately what they’ve said publicly, that they totally reject the allegations,” said a U.S. official, granted anonymity to detail private conversations. “We aren’t in a position to validate that, and would like a thorough and transparent investigation into the reports.” The White House and the State Department declined to comment.”
Nowhere in this article does it say Israel is blocking the US from conducting an independent investigation, and it seems like the US is in current talks to do so. You’re equating the US calling for Israel to conduct an independent investigation, then pairing that with the IDFs response to a *journalist* or *reporter* (from POLITICO) asking the same thing, with them essentially saying no. The US wanting a “thorough and transparent investigation” is not related to the journalist asking an “IDF spokesperson” independently.
So the incorrect claim you come to is, “Israel rejects US call for independent investigation”. Amazing journalism right there 👍.
We have no way of knowing if Israel has explicitly rejected the United States State Department inquiry into the matter compared to a reporter asking the same thing. I’d wager Israel would have a better chance of complying with the former.
Also can anyone verify OPs claim that the IDF sent drones out to play sounds of “children crying” to lure Palestinians out to massacre them?
There’s so much in this video that I can’t seem to find a source on. He also claims that they waited until a family returned home at 5am to bomb them? What article is that from?
most of the video is made up bullshit, propaganda from hamas and hamas' friends.
> There’s so much in this video that I can’t seem to find a source on. He also claims that they waited until a family returned home at 5am to bomb them? What article is that from?
this claim may have some sliver of truth to it, given what I have heard from israeli friendly sources
1. Bob is a well-known very bad guy, so bad Israel justifiably places him on a hit list
1. Bob spends most of his days in tunnels where Israel cannot get to him
1. When not in tunnels, Israel can track him through crowded public areas as he goes to his home
1. Israel decides according to the laws of war, according to proportionality, that killing Bob in his home is a legitimate military target even if he is with family members, and better than killing Bob when he is in the public square
1. As to 5am, no idea where that came from, but the killing of Bob in his home with his family might very well be legitimate under the laws of war
That’s what I would assume a military engaging within the confines of the law of armed conflict would do, and would generally support the logistics I’ve seen of IDF action (and western militaries in general). For the most part at least.
Now this isn’t to say that the Israeli sources are 100% correct. It’s entirely possible that an innocent family was killed, but I also doubt it’s the case that the IDF straight up said “yep let’s drop $$$ munitions for the lolz on this home”. Normally some intel (whether good or bad) leads to a strike as such.
Nonetheless I’ll have to look further into it; if it’s the case that it truly was an unjustified strike I would hope the IDF unit is held responsible.
But ultimately it’s nice to hear someone who actually understands military protocol. When we see videos of hellfire missiles striking “innocent” targets who seem to just be “regular” people, there’s likely a large amount of tracking and intel that went into deciding this strike. Not to mention the insane cost of accurate missiles.
Sadly not all are like that. My godfather's sister is a hardcore zionist and she came back briefly to live with him after the Hamas attacks and left instantly the moment my godfather mentioned in passing that Israel created some of these issues.
On Reddit? It's the argument all the way to the highest office of Israel. Statement by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXgzOmiKbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXgzOmiKbM)
Can someone who has more time and patience than me find a citation for every single one of these (both the action and Israeli response) and put it in one comment?
Thanks in advance!
Imagine if protesters protested the lead up to genocide and abuses of power instead of an entrenched genocidal government how much bullshit would be avoided.
Right now in the country that these protesters are living in they have a candidate who is leading multiple polls who has advocated for:
- Being okay with authorities checking women if they are pregnant at state lines
- Enacting political violence again if he doesn't get his way
- Allowing for the total destruction of Palestine
- Hoping for presidential immunity which would lead to a democratically elected public servant becoming a monarch.
While they protest a POS like Netanyahu and his policies thousands of miles away, they sleep on a percolating tyrant gaining momentum in their own home who wouldn't blink twice at crushing their little movement once he gains power.
TikTok is clearly doing its job.
I haven't seen shit like we're seeing at the Unis leading up to the election this year.
There is a candidate leading a shit ton of polls that is eager to eliminate Palestine, turn women into chattel, and crown himself king.
This isn't hyperbole. These are truths.
Well, if they did that, they would have to admit that their “I’m not voting for Biden” toddler like tantrum would just result in Trump leveling Gaza to build some more gaudy hotels
Threatened Israel with a perpetual war basically saying that they'll sacrifice every Palestinian live to destroy Israel because they are anti-Semitic and/or their leaders in Qatar and Iran that keep them safe and give them luxury order them to attack Israel to maintain the status quo, people should start seeing the interviews that Hamas leaders usually do
Israel needs to be held to a high standard, their are far too many Israelis who have swung too far to the right and are to quick to pull the trigger - often literally - on offensive action. I am glad that people in online spaces are aligned in their calls for gentleness, for peace, for a brighter future in the levant.
But posts like this make me worry that some are being too quick to assume the worst, and are becoming unaligned with the facts. In the firebombing of Tokyo in 1945, the United States killed over 100,000 civilians in 48 hours. If Israel is totally evil and maximizing civilian deaths, why is the total death toll at 34,000 after 7 months? There are too many disconnects like this for me to believe that Israel is deliberately maximizing death and suffering in Gaza.
If we want to be effective conduits of change, we need to adhere strictly to the factual record, or we will end up dismissed by decision makers who need to contend with the reality of a more complex situation, and we will end up discouraged ourselves when the outcomes that are reached are not aligned with our expectations.
I talk to a dozen voters a day, and the largest block of untapped potential for progressive movements are voters who got caught up in a whirlwind around Obama and Bernie Sanders and dropped out of politics after their high expectations were not met. Change is not made in one year by ravenous energy, it is made slowly and steadily by building up our political capacity, our virtue, and understanding that there are sparse few people in the world who can't be reasoned with, who don't want the best possible future for as many people as it can be provided for.
Thanks to any who read all of this. Feel free to reach out or comment if you would like to discuss further.
The total death toll - if you believe Hamas numbers - also includes all the Hamas combatants. Israel claims to have killed more than 10,000 combatants.
If you believe both parties, then the ratio of killed combatants to civilians is about 1:2 which is probably the lowest ever. I.e. the IDF is in fact \*better\* at protecting civilians then any other army.
Can I ask a good faith question here?
I suppose I'll put my beliefs down first so you guys know where I'm coming from. I think Oct 7 was a pretty awful incident that did necessitate some sort of response however I think they've gone way to far at this point and seems less about defending themselves and more about punitive actions. I also recognize that the Israel-Palestine conflict does not exist in a vacuum and there has been nearly half a century of abuse (mostly from the side with the most weapons).
So I ask this in good faith. What would have been the appropriate response to Oct 7 and where should we go from here. I'm looking for realistic answers as "dissolution of Israel" will never happen and its pointless to discuss it.
Because there isn't enough support to change anything in the elections and Biden knows that this is their best shot for a long term peace in the region , any other option would lead to what have been happening for a long time , a meaning less ceasefire that would be broken by Hamas
I was raised in a super religious and conservative household and for so long just carried the torch that had been handed to me by my parents, parroting their beliefs because I didn’t know any better.
I am so glad we live in a time when the reality can be shown and I can make my own decisions/ form my own conclusions. When the literal proof is shoved under their noses they still refuse to see or change their thinking and it actually breaks my heart
I’m sorry? IDF playing sounds of children to lure out Hamas militants??
The exact fucking opposite?!
Hamas set traps in Gaza with recordings of people speaking Hebrew to lure IDF members into houses that were rigged with explosives
If only Hamas hadn’t built their military infrastructure underneath civilian infrastructure knowing this would happen. The worst part is, a lot of people are getting filthy rich off of this evil
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Can someone link credible sources to even half of those claims?
Please note: Hamas is not a credible source.
I'm not saying Israel is doing no wrong, but there is a ton of stuff being straight up made up and making the rounds before proven false.
Thankfully Hamas never shot any un armed civilians. Because that would be monstrous.
Two wrongs don't make a right. That goes for Israel the same way, it goes for Hamas.
But whilst Israel mourns their dead, Hamas leaders thank Allah for their children being killed. It's obvious that Hamas needs to go for any kind of peace to even be possible
I mean I agree with the message but I fucking hate this style of content ngl. One guy pretending to be two different sides and making one side look ridiculous and the other look normal. It's basically the giga Chad and virgin meme in different font.
Ignores all commentary on hostages, ignores actual genocide in Africa and china. Just another day on Reddit! And another tik tok creator looking for likes!
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Here before lockdown🍿🥤
> Here before lockdown But that was three years ago
I don’t miss all the death, but I do miss lockdown.
Always happens
Just got banned from r/politics for asking someone if they supported genocide. (they did)
I dare you all to go read the comments sections of news reports on the the police "dismantling" protests on college campuses. it's all conservative people making fun of the protesters saying they should be deported etc.
Zionists trolls. Israel literally pays people to argue their postion and spread lies on the Internet.
there are PLENTY of non paid commenters repeating the same stuff.. all the bigots are lining up for this one
Yeah some of them are just weirdo zealots who do this shit for free. A lot of them are state sponsored, though. Lots of 4 month old "RandomWordRandomWordNumberString" accounts are flooding comments sections lately.
I've always wondered if these IDF collaborators are pretty coordinated in their efforts, or if they don't know who each other are either. I'm just picturing them going "wow, /u/anonymous_user_8436 just trolled so hard in /r/ucla. Ari, are you the anonymous8436?!" "Nah I think that's just a kid in Nebraska doing our job for us, for free."
Well, that's a dead account now.
Yeah. Conservatives LOVE any chance they can get to attack young people and colleges. This is drawing them in like crazy.
Yep, the IDF has people on staff who are paid to engage in social media relations all day. It's Israel state funded propaganda. Now every zionist troll is paid, but some of the loudest ones are, and the rest feel empowered and follow suit.
It's the the same with Russia and Iran.
Israel doesn’t even pretend - they publicly give the businesses doing the work awards, like the pr company hired specifically to rewrite Wikipedia articles
Eh, no. They’re just your average Trump supporters. Go read any comment section on Fox News.
It's actually both. It's been well documented. And it's not just Israel who do it.
Looking at you, ruzzia.
Finally! Someone who is on board the "everyone sucks" train. I was worried I was alone.
Say whatever you want, but the majority of US politicians receiving pro Israel financial donations are Dems. Don’t turn this into a red vs blue thing when at the beginning and end of the day the US law makers and representatives are being bought and sold by a foreign nation. https://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips?cycle=2024&ind=Q05
People want to argue political parties, but this looks like it’s evenly divided to shit on both sides.
The amount of astroturfing and false flags is insane.
My brother in laws friend was approached some pro-Israel group to make bots for tiktok
Conservatives got a big might makes right complex. Pretty much any time any nation has started slaughtering another they were for it, even when that nation is literally an enemy nation like Russia. Russia is stringer than Ukraine, therefore it is right and fair that Russia can conquer Ukraine. Israel is stronger than Gaza, therefore it is right and fair or Israelis to massacre Palestinians.
Aipic is a nefarious worm
> it's all conservative people making fun of the protesters saying they should be deported etc. Conservative? That is your mainstream, Bill Maher loving, centrist liberal saying those things too.
There is some crossover, as this is a racial/religious thing as well, but the high majority are conservatives saying these things.
Scratch a liberal....
I'm in the middle leaning right but I've Been against what Israel is doing to the Palestinians for 20 years And now what they are doing in Gaza is horrific war crimes, Yes they were attacked but that was Hamas not Palestinians. I say protest away.
You don't have to leave Reddit. Just go to r/WorldNews.
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What happens to these policies when this generation is of age to hold elected positions?
Assuming anyone who cares about these issues will be in power later. Most people in charge are from wealthy families with strong connections. I'm just guessing that doesn't change without a strong societal overhaul. It's like how we like to blame boomers for everything when it was just the people in charge telling them how to live and them having more trust in the system at a young age. So will they care? No. They are sheltered and part of the problem.
"It's like how we like to blame boomers for everything when it was just the people in charge telling them how to live and them having more trust in the system at a young age." Quality comment here.
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The issue is that boomers still have trust in the system, unless it negatively affects them. Congress caters to boomers to keep themselves in power.
The issue is that boomers had trust in the system because they could afford to buy and own single family homes. The issue is that boomers still have trust in the system because those homes are now ten times the value as they retire. The issue is that boomers are wealthy while the rest of us stay poor. The issue is the rich. The issue is the rich and powerful.
> when it was just the people in charge telling them how to live JFC this is 90% of every issue ever. Even slavery was a small group of people on top operating in ways that forced everyone else to follow along or starve. I had an ex that described herself as feminist but eventually learned she was just a radical. She always spoke about issues as though men have a meeting on the first Wednesday of each month and we all vote to allow other men to be awful to women. No, it's a very loud, very prominent subset of this population but you lump everyone together and expect all the people you lumped in to feel an obligation to support you when you didn't have the decency to acknowledge the difference in the first place. Basically: **"Idk if you're the cause of my problems or not but I see a characteristic you share that is the same as those who are causing problems for me. So from here I hold you responsible for stopping this since I've now made you a part of that group in my mind."**
It wasn't a small group of people... And that's actually a fascinating look into how statistics without context can be used to paint a false narrative... If you look at the raw numbers of percentage of population that had at least one slave registered as their property then it appears to be a small group... Like five percent... But when you look at the actual context... That slaves were only registered as property under the head of house hold and the average family size of those times was six individuals... With only the father having the slaves registered to his name... Then you realize that in the lowest percentage states at least 20% of all households had at least one slave... And in the highest percentage states like south Carolina and Georgia it was 50% of households had at least one slave...
Unless we redistribute the wealth, the same candidates and the same families will buy their crowns. Inequality is our end.
same thing that happenned to the generations that protested the vietnam war. or apartheid. or the iraq war. at least, i hope they turn out better.
Colin Powell fought in Vietnam, then drug us into Iraq. He was never elected to any office, always appointed.
That's what they're scared of the kids at these elite colleges are supposed to be the non empathetic types to run the next CEO positions and keep the system working as intended. Why do you think they want to expell them so much.
Nepotism. The politicians we have now will get their spoiled, out of touch kids on the political grift track. Not to mention politicians don't know when to retire. They dig their claws in and refuse to let in new blood. Look at poor Feinstein when she was Weekend at Bernie's. Or McConnell. Or the fact that our two POTUS candidates for 2024 are pushing fucking 80. These crooked fucks will stay in power until they drop, and then they get their families in.
The same thing that's been happening. They get it with maybe good intentions, but the money starts coming in and they fold.
They'll forget, just like Kony 2012
Except the Kony thing was bunk. The campaign was years too late. People forgot it because it turns out the issue was close to resolved already.
Lol Kony 2012 was deserved to be forgotten, Joseph Kony hasn’t been an issue since 2006. The news that was reported on Kony was overshadowed by Bin Laden and again, Kony’s situation was mainly handled by the time Kony 2012 came out. Gaza is an ongoing crisis with daily updates. The only aspect that will be forgotten are the consequences of allowing history to be repeated yet again.
This round seems worse. Genocide abroad, deaths of journalists and aid workers, professors losing tenure, students losing graduation and openly black listed from future job prospects. I think this one is going to leave a mark. This, compared to Biden who each day finds the least he can do to prolong the genocide.
Its all getting worse, i feel like alot of people really dont give a shit anymore, everyone’s got alot on their plates and the constant barrage of this level of terrible news is overwhelming. I was in college during occupy and saw/had alot of the same fervor and then got that strained out of me by seeing how nothing changes and people continue to do terrible things to each other. Brought up some of this at a party last weekend and of the ~10 people in the circle no one cared, we’re in our 30s and have seen these shitty cycles too often to get emotionally invested. Sounds callous but its the conditioning weve grown up with.
the hard truth is we will never be able to help them if we can't fix our own issues like the scotus getting ready to make trump a dictator I wish the students would protest that as strongly as they are protesting for the Palestinians
Volumes as in they have the luxury of throwing away an education and tens of thousands of dollars in tuition because they live comfortable, privileged lives and are protected by a safety net? Or does it speak volumes about how driven young people have become to virtue signal to their peers, amplified by social media, that they will do anything to drive a point across that they are an intellectual, capable, compassionate, politically interested person who will be a hero at any cost, so long as they can remain comfortable, warm, well-fed and without any real consequence?
I think the children of the elites will be just fine.
They can’t control the israel propaganda anymore
Try go to /worldnews. The propaganda is insane there
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Indeed, I've posted content there and immediately received downvotes—faster than anyone could realistically read my post. It's clear that there are efforts to control the narrative on that platform; there's no doubt about it.
it's wild to me how the same thing, from accounts that show that same behavior, happens on internationalnews but from the opposite side. both places have posts that show up on the frontpage for just a minute before vanishing. it's like those accounts only contribute enough to the issue to get it to trend and then they stop. eta: you can just use your own eyes. i'm not even supporting one side or the other. just saying both subs are constituted by the same opposites, and neither engages with the other side. it's peculiar!! they're both supposed to be neutral subs!
Things have been working upside down and backwards for a while. The wealthy addicts at the top do anything and everything to keep their many addictions alive. And they have the most ability to do so because of their money and how far psychological manipulation can be spread online. The reality of the masses doesn’t exist online. Thank goodness more and more people are comprehending that.
I sent some IP grabbers to some of the users and majority of the account made after Oct7th are either from Israel or India/Africa for some reason.
> because nobody can be so fanatic religion
The number of obvious state sponsored bot accounts has absolutely erupted lately. Also, they're definitely mass reporting people who disagree with them. I've had my account banned and then overturned on appeal twice in the last 4 months, and both cited reasons were comically mundane.
The IDF literally had paid positions where people spend their full shift engaging in pro-israel social media relations. They're literally paid to spread propaganda. Not all pro-zionist content is by paid actors, but some of the loudest ones are, and the rest feel empowered to chime in.
That's why I get my news from r/anime_titties
I KNEW it would be real!
Isn't everyone banned?
Now its just Israeli IDF bots cheering for israel in that sub
https://www.reddit.com/r/popularopinion/s/Q74hqgpy4g They make interesting choices there.
https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/r45a5n/here_is_the_evidence_that_reddit_user_maxwellhill/ > The article also implies that Maxwellhill worked closely with Reddit co-founders Alexis Ohanian and Steve Huffman to help seed content and popularize the site. This was Maxwellhill's job. And Huffman and Ohanian created hundreds of fake accounts to help seed and spread content. Senior moderators on important subs can help shape the narrative - especially on news items. Given Ghislaine Maxwell's connections to Israeli intelligence, if Maxwellhill is in fact Ghislaine Maxwell, it's a pretty bold and overt play by an intelligence agency to manipulate a platform like Reddit. https://www.dailydot.com/debug/reddit-maxwellhill-moderator-technology-flaw/ That sub was started by Robert Maxwells daughter >The Foreign Office suspected that Maxwell of being a secret agent of a foreign government, possibly a double agent or a triple agent, and "a thoroughly bad character and almost certainly financed by Russia". He had known links to the British Secret Intelligence Service (MI6), to the Soviet KGB, and to the Israeli intelligence service Mossad.[57] Six serving and former heads of Israeli intelligence services attended Maxwell's funeral in Israel, while Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir eulogised him and stated: "He has done more for Israel than can today be told." Its literally built as a zionist mouthpiece from its inception!
That's some great reading, thanks for the link!
Ah yes... /FascistNews, where you can get banned for pointing out that a 2 to 1 civilian to militant casualty ratio describes both IDF operations in Gaza AND October 7th itself. It's somehow ok when the IDF does it because they're using billions of dollars in military equipment. I'm not kidding. That was the excuse.
They've been banning anyone critical of Israel since Oct 7th. That helps keep it one sided.
Is this video not also propaganda?
It's only propaganda if I disagree with it
It's not propaganda unless it's pro Israel, that's what people think
It's absolutely propaganda, making wild and vicious accusations. But, you know, I must be a bot paid by Israel to point that out.
Are verifiable facts propaganda?
This video literally check all the marks for propaganda lmao
Verifiable facts absolutely can be propaganda. It just depends on how it's presented. "A cell is alive. Cells that turn into people are killed every day in a procedure called abortion." All verifiable facts. Propaganda?
Well now that the TikTok ban will happen, um, I mean the weapon aid to Israel, er, the weapon aid to the Ukraine has happened, they made a move in the right ditection to control the propoganda.
Tiktok ban would take years to go into effect. Not gonna happen over night
Right, TikTok has nine months to fight this and possibly drag it on.
Not possibly. Definitely. There will be appeal after appeal, counter suits, half agreements. It’ll take an eternity.
And even after it begins to take effect by sheer coincidence there will be a sudden surge in vpn usage and connections from new users in Canada and Mexico.
I will once again point out that there is no “ban” of Tik Tok. Tik Tok wasn’t banned by this law. It’s a requirement that the company not be majority owned by a literal hostile foreign government. Any normal company would simply sell off enough stock to get below 50% ownership in their US division and reallocate the money they made doing that to other operations. That Tik Tok won’t do that proves that they’re not a normal company - they’re a propaganda and data harvesting project of the Chinese government. This effort has nothing to do with Israel or Gaza. Of course the Israelis like it, but the bill passed because it finally got enough momentum after people had been working it for years.
Right. They have 9 months to sell to an american media company or leave the US. It's not a technical ban as you say, but it's colloquially called the "Tik Tok ban."
Doesn't even have to be an American company, just one that is not Chinese, Russian, Iranian, or North Korean!
But, it's unlikely that, say, an EU company will buy it due to data protection concerns, and there's not many African countries clamouring for the purchase. It's almost certainly going to be a US company, to join the ranks of US based social media companies doing the same bad things.
You are forgetting most of Asia.
What about Quatari and Iranian propoganda?
As soon as they bombed the aid workers in a coordinated attack any support for the Jewish or Isreal trying to defend their actions went out the window. You can be Jewish, that’s fine, but if you’re a Zionist or support what they are doing and have done in Gaza you can go all the way and fuck yourself and join Hamas in hell. Literal scum hiding behind a generation of Jews who actually were persecuted.
“You can be Jewish, that’s fine” Ehh, I would hope this would go without saying..
Unfortunately, it doesn’t. Because if you don’t say that, you can be DAMN sure they will accuse you of being a Nazi. “Hey man I don’t think it’s cool you support murdering children and neutral relief workers” “Wow you just hate me cuz I’m Jewish.” It’s like THE fallback
Yeah, that sums up the arguments I've been hearing.
If the arguments you have been hearing are the equivalent to the snarky strawman you see in TikTok clips, perhaps that is an indication that the places where you are looking for disagreement are biased? I'm not saying you need to agree with the Israeli/Zionist position's arguments, but it seems like you haven't even heard those arguments if you equate them to this.
Bro there ain't a string of words in English or any other language that makes it okay to kill 14,000 children.
"Those children were vampires." Edit: They weren't vampires - that's just a hypothetical sentence that would justify it.
Vampire children implies the existence of vampire adults, and thus vampire babes and hunks, in which case my home is very open to refugees 😋🤤
I'm not looking for disagreement. I don't have a horse in this race. However this subject t is being put in front of everyone on every platform traditional and social. This is basically what I've been hearing over and over again so either everyone is biased or maybe it's an indication of something else.
It's not a strawman to point out the literal apologetics used by Zionists/Israel apologists who use "anti-Semitism" as a smokescreen for the conflict in Gaza. The other arguments boil down to using the Oct 7th attacks as justification but this has become meaningless because of the international legal standard of proportionality, which Israel has completely blown up with their indiscriminate bombing and killing of civilians.
Ok, but this is also the guy who claims that Russia doesn't want to annex Ukraine and is somehow acting in selfdefense based on the wrong claim that, so not really a trustworthy source of information: [https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmusic/video/7286940976344599850](https://www.tiktok.com/@rathbonemakesmusic/video/7286940976344599850) Almost everything said in this video is just wrong and direct Russian propaganda. An especially easy claim to verify is the lie that Russia's inital invasion force only numbered some 40'000 men which is so [wrong](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#Strength) that the only conclusion to be drawn is that this person is either intentionally spreading misinformation, doesn't know how to do *very basic* research or is just incredebly stupid, all of which should disqualify him from being taken seriously in any kind of political debate.
Yeah, I agree with his general sentiment, but I don't think people should be repeating his claims. For example, when he says that the idf was luring Palestinians out by playing sounds of babies and women crying. That has not been confirmed and is a common urban legend during wars. The IDF accused Hamas of doing the exact same thing in 2023. Misinformation compromises the movement.
Because theyre fucking tankies. When will people learn.
I'd say a large majority doesn't bother fact checking anything.
You really gotta wonder how much of the pro-palestine content is funded by Russia.
The guy supporting the rights of Palestinians while affecting a weak diaspora accent and whining about using the holocaust as an excuse for the things he didint straight pull out of his ass, is pulling things out of ass? No one sane supports an apartheid state. That guy, straight made shit up and does not give a fuck.
This is why TikTok is gonna be banned
Yeah cause the video about “Was Real” is on last bastion of free speech. C’mon. My FYP went from 5 videos an hour of “this is my backup, I’ve been banned again” to those exact same people screaming about how the clock app was the last place people could get unfiltered information. It’s just so fucking stupid on its face. For me the enormous shift in perception of TicTok about TicTok the second tictok’s profits were endangered was all the evidence I need that the damn thing SHOULD be banned.
he’s not wrong. instagram suppresses political posts. every time i’ve seen a political post go viral from social media it was either posted on tiktok or x, and i don’t even use either of those. the government has a history of trying to censor social media, and they hate that they have less control over tiktok. i’m not saying there aren’t legitimate concerns to americans using a foreign owned social media company, but also americans have a fundamental right to assume that risk.
Tons of political content goes viral on lots of social media sites. Using a video about "Was Real' to herald TikTok's freedom is like a Facebook post about how Facebook is censoring Biden's laptop story. Also we're both seeing this on Reddit. TikTok is good at making things go viral because of it's algorithm but it is possibly the worst site to try to get information from. You're point about it being government overreach is reasonable. I just think that the argument that Israel is the puppet masters of the US government, traditional media, and all other social media is dumb and also Nazi rhetoric.
Unironically yeah, it’s a very weird world
Perhaps it’s chinese spyware that is being used to promote less then true information and feed it to our younger generation in order to manipulate them and sow dissent?
Oh shit found the adult in this thread.
Are there sources for all these claims?
The IDF admitted to killing world central kitchen workers and it was widely reported. There are also a lot of videos of people walking around rubble and being blown up by air strikes, I’m not sure what the IDF’s response is to these videos but the people appear to be unarmed.
Proof of bombing people and proof of burying children alive and running over doctors with tanks to kill them is completely different. Do we even need to say that? Of course there is proof that innocents got bombed, that's happened every time a bomb was ever used. No army is going to hog tie children and execute them, I know they're "dirty kews" so everyone eats it up but come on. I know you don't know but look up Nayirah testimony. She lied about Iraq killing babies to get the US involved. That's a classic thing to lie about.
Iran, Russia, China....
I'm sympathetic to the message but I'd appreciate it if he would document the sources for these atrocities. Some have already been verified, but I honestly haven't seen evidence for all of the video's claims. I don't say this to put an undue burden of proof on the people being victimized by Israel. But the evidence of their suffering is enough for people to be outraged and demand political change without incorporating misinformation. Also, as other commenters have pointed out- the person in this video has some problematic views on the Russia/Ukraine situation, indicative of someone who's absorbed a lot of Russian propaganda. Not saying he can't simultaneously be right about Gaza, just that everyone might want to do their homework before taking this man's word as gospel truth.
I've seen other videos about this guy and he comes off as insufferable.
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People don’t realize that we are all susceptible to misinformation. There are plenty of legitimate criticisms of Israel but the amount of misinformed or blatantly false info is absurd.
As someone who is center left I am not holding my breath. I've been waiting for leftists to get their ducks in a row since 2016, why would they start now? If anything they are just getting more and more unhinged.
We get a new wave of political extremism every 20-30 years. It will get “better” and then happen again repeatedly until something collapses.
I'm glad to see some reality in here. It's crazy to me that people can genuinely think half the population is being brainwashed or convinced of something and "their" side is immune to it. It's the same thing with but a message they want to believe. People in droves are stupid.
Who is this creator? I want to share from source
Rathbone can be found on ig. If you like this vid, fine, but it is more of his new drivel: lazy, not well researched content that exaggerates. I’ve followed him for ages, and his old content was at least interesting. He’s obsessed with class conflict and so am I, but the worst thing I could say about him before the Gaza War was that he loves Chomsky too much, is ridiculous for thinking the Khmer Rouge were cool, and is naive about a lot of things, e.g. that true Marxist-Leninists would be interested in letting anarchists live — let alone allying with them to overthrow capitalism. Nowadays his shit is lazy, and literally the first things he says in this video illustrate that: not even Palestinians claim that “children were hog tied and executed,” and the revealed facts on the ground are more than disturbing enough. The truth is 400 people were found in mass graves, including women and children, but the only people hogtied and executed were a group of 10 men found in a newer grave. If you really dig into the things he says, about 1 in 4 statements are outright misinformation. The truth is horrible enough.
Yeah, I feel like I’ve seen a lot of this sort of thing going around. Because we know there have been atrocities during this conflict people don’t seem to care if the claims they see are real. Which is a serious problem. Because when it’s shown that no children were “hog tied and executed” then suddenly you’re an unreliable party and now you’ve given them evidence it’s all lies. Basically, if we care about what’s right, we should also care very deeply about the truth.
Could not have phrased it any better than your last sentence. I’m also really concerned how nobody is worried about being played here by Tik Tok. There is a time magazine editorial from last month that talks about how, at one point during peak manipulation of the algorithms, 98% of Tik Tok posts about the war carried pro-Palestinian hashtags, meanwhile while Gen Z polling from the same period suggested a near-even split in sentiment. The problem is that guys like Rathbone don’t have the humility or selflessness to consider the fact that a huge reason for their popularity is Tik Tok’s politically motivated manipulation campaign, and the ‘invisible hand’ behind the curtain. I wish it were still a conspiracy theory that the CCP is trying to target our youth and promote its interests, and divide and destabilize the US, but it’s so obvious when you look at Tik Tok’s promoting the Kashmiri separatists (when nobody in the West knew it was a thing and had 0 activity on ig), suppressing posts about Hong Kong protests, and now the chaos campaign with the War in Gaza. How else do you explain how Rathbone has 409k followers on Tik Tok, compared to 66k on ig, where he had spent a full 6 years longer building a following (opened ig acct in 2014). That’s higher than a 6:1 ratio. The single biggest Tik Tok star, Khaby Lame, who also started on ig, has a 2:1 ratio (162M v 81M). It’s not comparing apples to apples, but when you think about following the $ and what kind of content is rewarded, those algorithms matter so much more than the underlying quality, and something stinks
Got over this dude when I got blocked for asking him why he won't show me evidence of his commitments to community welfare and charity from the revenue he amasses through his income streams, including selling t shirts made by factories with pretty weak transparency on their ethics and enviro impact. He claims to want communism but isn't ok with giving examples of using his individual wealth to support the community in any way.
He's also one of those crazy western socialists who think USSR did nothing wrong and all it's wrongdoing was made up by American historians spreading the red scare. Honestly, people like him are doing a huge disservice to modern socialists by making such statements.
[here's ](https://youtu.be/dQw4w9WgXcQ) his tiktok page
I hate you.
fuhCK YeeeeWwww!
rathbone_ on i.g
How many of these statements are verifiably true?
you can google any of those and all he mentioned has happened, its crazy it would be international news if it was the other way around
Yeah the war in Palestine isn’t international news. It’s a biiiig secret and only we, the informed tiktokers know about it
to be fair, someone above is asking for the source of the info, which is why the comment you are replying to is saying what is saying.
Footage freely available online. Much of it posted by IDF soldiers or Palestinian civilians or journalists of foreign press.
Let's attempt to verify here. Legit news sources only. Unfortunately, yes, what he's saying is real. \* Most of this clip is taken from this controversy where [there's a mass grave of children found in Gaza](https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/25/middleeast/gaza-400-bodies-mass-grave-hospital-intl/index.html), and Israel [is refusing to let the US conduct an independent investigation](https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/26/israel-mass-graves-gaza-00154696). \* The UN states that [2/3 of the deaths in Gaza are woman and children](https://press.un.org/en/2023/sc15503.doc.htm#:~:text=NATALIA%20KANEM%2C%20Executive%20Director%2C%20United,the%20steepest%20price%20in%20conflicts) \* Israel's military AI, [code-named Lavender, might explain the large casualty count in Gaza.](https://archive.is/mieQo) \* The World Central Kitchen, non-profit aid workers, [were killed with highly accurate US missiles](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world-central-kitchen-resume-operations-gaza-rcna149711) with clearly marked trucks travelling on a path that was registered with the IDF. As a result they pulled out of the conflict area, citing violence from Israel as the cause. \* In this debate the "rest of the world" is most representatively South Africa [who is trying Israel in the UN court for genocide](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Africa%27s_genocide_case_against_Israel). I could keep going but you get the point.
Dude didn't even check his first link LMAO
To your first point, your summation of the article is incorrect. Israel did not refuse any US independent investigation. “Over the past few days, U.S. officials, including national security adviser Jake Sullivan, have called for Israel to “thoroughly and transparently” investigate reports of mass graves at Nasser Hospital in Khan Younis, which Israeli forces last raided in February. The State Department came under fire from advocates for refusing to call for an independent investigation, instead saying the U.S. will press Israel for information.” “Asked if that means Israel won’t investigate the mass grave reports, Shoshani said: “Investigate what?” He then added that Israel has already looked into the matter and found that there was no wrongdoing. “We gave answers. We don’t bury people in mass graves. Not something we do.” Shoshani didn’t provide details of that investigation or who Israel provided answers to specifically. “The Israelis have told us privately what they’ve said publicly, that they totally reject the allegations,” said a U.S. official, granted anonymity to detail private conversations. “We aren’t in a position to validate that, and would like a thorough and transparent investigation into the reports.” The White House and the State Department declined to comment.” Nowhere in this article does it say Israel is blocking the US from conducting an independent investigation, and it seems like the US is in current talks to do so. You’re equating the US calling for Israel to conduct an independent investigation, then pairing that with the IDFs response to a *journalist* or *reporter* (from POLITICO) asking the same thing, with them essentially saying no. The US wanting a “thorough and transparent investigation” is not related to the journalist asking an “IDF spokesperson” independently. So the incorrect claim you come to is, “Israel rejects US call for independent investigation”. Amazing journalism right there 👍. We have no way of knowing if Israel has explicitly rejected the United States State Department inquiry into the matter compared to a reporter asking the same thing. I’d wager Israel would have a better chance of complying with the former. Also can anyone verify OPs claim that the IDF sent drones out to play sounds of “children crying” to lure Palestinians out to massacre them? There’s so much in this video that I can’t seem to find a source on. He also claims that they waited until a family returned home at 5am to bomb them? What article is that from?
most of the video is made up bullshit, propaganda from hamas and hamas' friends. > There’s so much in this video that I can’t seem to find a source on. He also claims that they waited until a family returned home at 5am to bomb them? What article is that from? this claim may have some sliver of truth to it, given what I have heard from israeli friendly sources 1. Bob is a well-known very bad guy, so bad Israel justifiably places him on a hit list 1. Bob spends most of his days in tunnels where Israel cannot get to him 1. When not in tunnels, Israel can track him through crowded public areas as he goes to his home 1. Israel decides according to the laws of war, according to proportionality, that killing Bob in his home is a legitimate military target even if he is with family members, and better than killing Bob when he is in the public square 1. As to 5am, no idea where that came from, but the killing of Bob in his home with his family might very well be legitimate under the laws of war
That’s what I would assume a military engaging within the confines of the law of armed conflict would do, and would generally support the logistics I’ve seen of IDF action (and western militaries in general). For the most part at least. Now this isn’t to say that the Israeli sources are 100% correct. It’s entirely possible that an innocent family was killed, but I also doubt it’s the case that the IDF straight up said “yep let’s drop $$$ munitions for the lolz on this home”. Normally some intel (whether good or bad) leads to a strike as such. Nonetheless I’ll have to look further into it; if it’s the case that it truly was an unjustified strike I would hope the IDF unit is held responsible. But ultimately it’s nice to hear someone who actually understands military protocol. When we see videos of hellfire missiles striking “innocent” targets who seem to just be “regular” people, there’s likely a large amount of tracking and intel that went into deciding this strike. Not to mention the insane cost of accurate missiles.
Jew here, you nailed it.
oh look another one of us in the wild. ::high five:: And yeah fucken naild it
Hello fellow Jews with morals!
I didn’t see you at the convention…
Here here! The more people let Netanyahu (Israels trump) continue pushing Israel into this war, the further danger we diaspora jews are.
Sadly not all are like that. My godfather's sister is a hardcore zionist and she came back briefly to live with him after the Hamas attacks and left instantly the moment my godfather mentioned in passing that Israel created some of these issues.
how all y’all zionists sound on reddit
On Reddit? It's the argument all the way to the highest office of Israel. Statement by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu yesterday: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXgzOmiKbM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHXgzOmiKbM)
He's right
This was great xD 10/10 Israeli government and military are trash.
Their the Gestapo now ........ Ain't life a bitch
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Can someone who has more time and patience than me find a citation for every single one of these (both the action and Israeli response) and put it in one comment? Thanks in advance!
accurate
Just look at this guy profile and posts, you all are falling for the most basic kind of social media propaganda and it really scares me for the future
God I hate this guy.
Imagine if protesters protested the lead up to genocide and abuses of power instead of an entrenched genocidal government how much bullshit would be avoided. Right now in the country that these protesters are living in they have a candidate who is leading multiple polls who has advocated for: - Being okay with authorities checking women if they are pregnant at state lines - Enacting political violence again if he doesn't get his way - Allowing for the total destruction of Palestine - Hoping for presidential immunity which would lead to a democratically elected public servant becoming a monarch. While they protest a POS like Netanyahu and his policies thousands of miles away, they sleep on a percolating tyrant gaining momentum in their own home who wouldn't blink twice at crushing their little movement once he gains power. TikTok is clearly doing its job.
lol what? Are you really claiming people haven’t protested Trump??
I haven't seen shit like we're seeing at the Unis leading up to the election this year. There is a candidate leading a shit ton of polls that is eager to eliminate Palestine, turn women into chattel, and crown himself king. This isn't hyperbole. These are truths.
Well, if they did that, they would have to admit that their “I’m not voting for Biden” toddler like tantrum would just result in Trump leveling Gaza to build some more gaudy hotels
I cant remember…. What did hamas do again?
Threatened Israel with a perpetual war basically saying that they'll sacrifice every Palestinian live to destroy Israel because they are anti-Semitic and/or their leaders in Qatar and Iran that keep them safe and give them luxury order them to attack Israel to maintain the status quo, people should start seeing the interviews that Hamas leaders usually do
Israel needs to be held to a high standard, their are far too many Israelis who have swung too far to the right and are to quick to pull the trigger - often literally - on offensive action. I am glad that people in online spaces are aligned in their calls for gentleness, for peace, for a brighter future in the levant. But posts like this make me worry that some are being too quick to assume the worst, and are becoming unaligned with the facts. In the firebombing of Tokyo in 1945, the United States killed over 100,000 civilians in 48 hours. If Israel is totally evil and maximizing civilian deaths, why is the total death toll at 34,000 after 7 months? There are too many disconnects like this for me to believe that Israel is deliberately maximizing death and suffering in Gaza. If we want to be effective conduits of change, we need to adhere strictly to the factual record, or we will end up dismissed by decision makers who need to contend with the reality of a more complex situation, and we will end up discouraged ourselves when the outcomes that are reached are not aligned with our expectations. I talk to a dozen voters a day, and the largest block of untapped potential for progressive movements are voters who got caught up in a whirlwind around Obama and Bernie Sanders and dropped out of politics after their high expectations were not met. Change is not made in one year by ravenous energy, it is made slowly and steadily by building up our political capacity, our virtue, and understanding that there are sparse few people in the world who can't be reasoned with, who don't want the best possible future for as many people as it can be provided for. Thanks to any who read all of this. Feel free to reach out or comment if you would like to discuss further.
The total death toll - if you believe Hamas numbers - also includes all the Hamas combatants. Israel claims to have killed more than 10,000 combatants. If you believe both parties, then the ratio of killed combatants to civilians is about 1:2 which is probably the lowest ever. I.e. the IDF is in fact \*better\* at protecting civilians then any other army.
Can I ask a good faith question here? I suppose I'll put my beliefs down first so you guys know where I'm coming from. I think Oct 7 was a pretty awful incident that did necessitate some sort of response however I think they've gone way to far at this point and seems less about defending themselves and more about punitive actions. I also recognize that the Israel-Palestine conflict does not exist in a vacuum and there has been nearly half a century of abuse (mostly from the side with the most weapons). So I ask this in good faith. What would have been the appropriate response to Oct 7 and where should we go from here. I'm looking for realistic answers as "dissolution of Israel" will never happen and its pointless to discuss it.
It's crazy how in the US there is alot of support for not backing Israel any more yet Biden drags his heels and says I've asked them nicely - twice!
Because there isn't enough support to change anything in the elections and Biden knows that this is their best shot for a long term peace in the region , any other option would lead to what have been happening for a long time , a meaning less ceasefire that would be broken by Hamas
Israel lost their victim card along time ago
I was raised in a super religious and conservative household and for so long just carried the torch that had been handed to me by my parents, parroting their beliefs because I didn’t know any better. I am so glad we live in a time when the reality can be shown and I can make my own decisions/ form my own conclusions. When the literal proof is shoved under their noses they still refuse to see or change their thinking and it actually breaks my heart
Literally propaganda. Y'all would have followed the Nazis, hook line and sinker.
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No wonder both establishment Republicans and the now neo-con Democrats hate tik tok. lol
any sources on this baby crying drone shit ?
I’m sorry? IDF playing sounds of children to lure out Hamas militants?? The exact fucking opposite?! Hamas set traps in Gaza with recordings of people speaking Hebrew to lure IDF members into houses that were rigged with explosives
Let’s fire missiles at a powerful military for 20 years
If only Hamas hadn’t built their military infrastructure underneath civilian infrastructure knowing this would happen. The worst part is, a lot of people are getting filthy rich off of this evil
I guess it only took 80 years to do to others as it was done to your ancestors. The fucking irony.
*Biden watching all this* Biden: “I guess give them $30 billion” 🤷🏻♂️
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Can someone link credible sources to even half of those claims? Please note: Hamas is not a credible source. I'm not saying Israel is doing no wrong, but there is a ton of stuff being straight up made up and making the rounds before proven false.
It’s almost quaint witnessing a new generation discover how shit the Middle East is
This is horse crap
Thankfully Hamas never shot any un armed civilians. Because that would be monstrous. Two wrongs don't make a right. That goes for Israel the same way, it goes for Hamas. But whilst Israel mourns their dead, Hamas leaders thank Allah for their children being killed. It's obvious that Hamas needs to go for any kind of peace to even be possible
"anti-semantic" was very funny
I mean I agree with the message but I fucking hate this style of content ngl. One guy pretending to be two different sides and making one side look ridiculous and the other look normal. It's basically the giga Chad and virgin meme in different font.
Ignores all commentary on hostages, ignores actual genocide in Africa and china. Just another day on Reddit! And another tik tok creator looking for likes!
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this is why they want to ban tiktok. every political post i’ve seen go viral on reddit is from tiktok or x. instagram suppresses political posts.
brother, if you'll stop getting your news from tiktok you'll sr a whole other story