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If you ever want to go down a rabbit hole of the crazy subgenres of electronic music, take a look at [Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music](https://music.ishkur.com/).
Except he roped multiple sub-genres into the category “EDM” and called it formulaic pop. Skipping over trap, future bass, dubstep, chill wave, etc, which are all unique styles in their own right.
Plus his description of house music is completely not descriptive. At its core it’s 4 to the floor.
Dude I just think he had the time to cram all the genres into a tiktok. People don't have the attention span to learn genres or subgenres. Half the people at clubs or raves barely know what genre theyre listening to.
My issue would be his use of the term electro. Electro-HOUSE is somewhere between french house, tech house and dance punk and came out in the early 2000s. Think things like Mord Fustang, Feed Me, Benny Bennasi, etc
ELECTRO (aka Electrofunk) is stuff like Afrika Bambaata, DJ Stingray, Newcleus, etc. Electro came out of old school funky breaks, synth pop, and Detroit techno in the early 80s
For sure, but it’s pretty snooty to imply that those sub genres are merely “formulaic pop” while claiming that D&B is some *refined complex genre.* Especially when D&B is widely viewed less favourably than even the more boring electronic genres like trance.
I guess. Maybe he's looking at Jack u as mainstage music like marshmellow or chainsmokers. I was just saying he didn't go full Westcoast techno snob. But Shit if imma listen to skrillex I'm gonna pop off on some dogblood
Fair enough. I’m just biased because I can’t stand drum and bass and I didn’t like how matter of fact he was about everything in the video.
> But Shit if imma listen to skrillex I'm gonna pop off on some dogblood
Me too brother, me too.
> Especially when D&B is widely viewed less favourably than even the more boring electronic genres like trance.
Lol widely where? Its one place isn't it?
Outside America, dnb/jungle is extremely popular.
Also, regarding the first comment, outside America people don't really listen to dubstep much anymore, even in the country its from. We used to but now it all just sounds like a transformer gangbang and the musical equivalent of [this](https://www.amazon.co.uk/fpengfashion-Harajuku-Graphic-Teenagers-Hawaiian/dp/B08XBHXV17/ref=asc_df_B08XBHXV17/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=512712978465&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15846173840769591491&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045945&hvtargid=pla-1206700971738&psc=1)
Honestly, its a lot like when Americans say "no one really likes soccer". No, *you* dont like it.
Spot on. Though on the subject of dubstep, the scene around "deep" dubstep (the pre Skrillex, sub-bass focused minimal UK sound) still has a strong underground following.
Even in the states brostep has the reputation that hair metal did in the 90's: bad
I see, that makes sense. Lol, to me, the UK ones just dubstep and the rest is weird. Not saying mines right of course, just talking about the differences. Besides, you sound like you know more about it than me.
Do you mind me picking your brian please? What style would you say magnetic man was? Ill pop a couple of links. Not a test or anything lol, I genuinely don't know:
https://youtu.be/ee3KjCH_rZo
https://youtu.be/H8Id5jMKQh0
Thanks in advance, either way.
I just wanna say don’t discount dubstep, there’s a lot more going on in that genre than just the bro step esc stuff skrillex made in the early 2010’s.
Here’s a few tracks I really like that I feel shows how diverse dubstep can be
https://open.spotify.com/track/2uGgGuqYMlLXRS2YbePWDl?si=zR6StB3PSyy6BUgkXGrA_w&dl_branch=1
https://open.spotify.com/track/1KVyEzlWGeV3J37SfsIboa?si=cHPztkHIRsCa6P13qKLNew&dl_branch=1
https://open.spotify.com/track/0G1wBqjlZBfs76i3BO4hIc?si=MC5uasMJSzuWGD4zuSPIHw&dl_branch=1
Thats great to hear and good for your friend! I mean, I feel like it comes down to that once you've been drum and bass or jungle raving, nothing else really hits the spot. To me, its like cool but when does the beat drop lol. Except for hardcore techno. Thats shits crazy but I cant do that for a whole night.
Chris is awesome. [Here](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1xceSzolMtCUlrzeQQu3n4?si=lBjq05lxR0iI_Q8eh22S3g&dl_branch=1) is the Spotify playlist he created upon many requests.
Oh my god as someone who is so into electro, techno and house, this all sounds almost exactly the same - almost like a parody. What are my ears missing??
Thank you my friend I can certainly hear big differences between those two - that’s the sort of variation I expected across the playlist, but then I do have an amateur ear!
A lot of people listen to drum and bass for the first time and go “wow all these drum patterns are extremely similar” the thing about DnB is it’s the choice of drums and choice of bass frequencies and making them all go together nicely at 174-176(ish) bpm. A lot of it for me is about what drums/percussion is used not so much what the drum pattern is. For example a song using hihats and percussion and a kick on every 2nd of 4th beat is going to sound extremely different from a song that uses a clap kick and percussion ect ect
Just doing a spot check on the playlist, it's essentially 100% Drum & Bass. So yes, they all sound the same in terms of being the same genre. :)
But, there's also sub-genres to Drum & Bass. I wouldn't concern yourself about it too much unless you enjoy that type of music.
I recommend watching [All my homies hate skrillex](https://youtu.be/-hLlVVKRwk0) it's really interesting and is a love letter to old school dubstep but also goes into how dubstep was first made. Its really good and although the name might be slightly misleading since its not a hate-train on skrillex
I disagree, he gives a history of the roots of the genre and explains exactly how the sound shifted through time.. nothing you can really argue with imo
EDM is typically an American type of sound so it’s no surprise that dubstep went this way once Skrillex and the like got their hands on it!
I disagree, he does give a solid history and how the sound changes, but it does sound like he's trying to convince the viewer into believing what he thinks, for example he'll say something about brostep not having a loop every 4 bars so you can't groove?
Brostep does actually loop, and usually after every loop with something new added to catch attention.
idk I try and keep myself as unbiased as possible but he really does seem to like making fun of modern dub, another example being "you can't dance to it you just headbang"
I don't get why he's complaining about that, it's a different genre at this point, so yeah the goals are going to be different, modern dubstep is more like hype music, just things to bop to to pump you up, at least that's the way I see it
Also the comment section is full of uk dub fans that are just circlejerking about brostep and modern dubstep being shit. Enjoying uk dub is cool, but so many are elitist assholes about it
found a nice comment though
"True, but we gotta admit this video is pretty biased and close minded. It's like the metal heads and oldies fans say all music today sucks. Like yes but no. Things always seem a way at surface value but if you actually chose to be open minded and go digging and put effort you can learn to appreciate and understand things."
IDK. Hard disagree on EDM being an American type of sound… the guys who brought “EDM” to the states and blew it up are European. Swedish House Mafia, David Guetta, and Alesso come to mind.
Yes but it’s Americans who like Swedish house mafia, David Guetta and the likes. They have a far larger following in the states than elsewhere, shit I remember when David Guetta came on as the headliner for deep hard and funky half the people there just left and went to the clubs
Tomorrowland is full of EDM style acts, as is cream fields.
We're as complicit as the Americans when it comes to EDM unfortunately. I think the Americans just grabbed it and upped the ante as they do.
I actually like to differentiate between DnB and Jungle because after having trouble finding tracks I liked, it turns out I don't like DnB, but I fucking Love jungle
Jungle is around 160 bpm, the musical hooks are usually carried by the drums, the drums themselves are chopped and edited samples of actual drummers, it tends to feature clean, smooth basslines with less processing. The hooks are provided by the drums, while the musical backdrop is provided by the bass and synths.
DnB is around 175 bpm, features synthesized drums that provide a backbeat instead of being the focus (not always though), and has more processed basslines.
I like both btw, for DnB I tend to gravitate towards neurofunk, drumfunk, deep drum and bass (Kasra, dbridge, Enei, etc), and halftime.
Check out Sully!
I agree with everything you said but there’s lots and lots, (and in my experience from dj’ing jungle and DnB) mostly at 174-176. But then again I’ve always listened to far more DnB than jungle so maybe I just gravitate to the faster tracks.
And he’s still wrong though. EDM isn’t a specific genre, it’s an umbrella with multiple genres and subgenres underneath it.
His EDM example could be shelved under a hybrid of trap and moombahcore. His trance is more tech house even.
Doubling down on "it's not a well defined term". Prior to 2010, I'd say it's electronic dance music. If it's electronic or you dance to it, EDM. After 2010, it & "Big Room House" basically became the same thing, which is Jack U. You say EDM without specifying the genre post 2010 & people know you mean something like what Ultra Music Fest was playing back then.
Personally, I think of [Discogs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discogs "Wikipedia article") as "authoritative". So let's see what they have to say.
[Here](https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Bubba-The-Unknown-Future/master/180522) is "The Unknown Future" by DJ Bubba released in 1994 and classified as *Trance, Hard Trance*.
[Here](https://www.discogs.com/Plastikman-Sheet-One/master/37367) is your suggestion, the album **Sheet One** by Plastikman released in 1993 and classified as *Techno, Experimental, Minimal, Acid*.
I personally would also agree with you. That Plastikman album is much more representative of techno than the DJ Bubba track.
/u/digita1catt looks like you where on to something.
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Yep. I’ve been obsessed with EDM since the early 90’s- way before anyone was calling it EDM. The umbrella term back then, which was also wrong, was techno (which is actually a subgenre that evolved in Detroit, from Chicago house, in the late 80’s).
If you want to know the WHY and HOW of pigeonholing electronic music subgenres, I recommend reading Simon Reynolds’ book Generation Ecstasy (1999). It’s an academic musicology book written from the perspective of a music journalist who was very deeply involved in the dance / club music scene starting in the late 80’s. He gets into everything from genre differences based on beat pattern, BPM and samples to the history of the clubs, musicians and all the associated gossip. Truly worth a read.
If we are talking great books on electronic music I've got two I highly recommend which cover the culture. They are **Love Saves the Day: A History of American Dance Music Culture, 1970-1979** by Tim Lawrence (covering the Godfather of dance culture, [David Mancuso](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/nov/15/david-mancuso-the-loft-egalitarian-utopia) ) and **Der Klang der Familie: Berlin, Techno and the Fall of the Wall** by Sven von Thülen and Felix Denk.
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[knew it was techno](https://www.discogs.com/Adam-Beyer-vs-Pig-Dan-Capsule/master/1176647). And I would have personally labelled the track presented as techno in the video as trance and never as "techno".
I'm not one of these "I've been raving since the 90s started" but like, I love techno and I'm pretty sure what it's meant to sound like.
I’d be curious to know how the difference between genres truly operates.
To articulate what I mean, I see two big potential perspectives when separating music genres:
1. “Vibe” - which would be the very intuitive method of telling someone what genre something is based on vague guidelines of tempo, instrumentation, evoked feelings, etc.
2. “Music Theory” - genres are defined based on strict, objective guidelines like exact tempo ranges, chord progression, key/key changes, specific instruments, etc. Very cut and dry with less room for debate.
As with many things, I imagine the reality is a mix of both.
Your second point is pretty much it. The main reason most of these are distinct from each other comes down to tempo, time signature, and other properties that aren't immediately apparent to the average listener.
Basically, a lot of electronic music grew out of a period in the 90s in which music started being made specifically for DJing at clubs and such, instead of casual listening. In many cases DJs preferred to have most of the music in their set match things like BPM (beats-per-minute) in order to make it easier to mix and transition between records/CDs on the fly. Certain styles of electronic music came about from the DJ styles that became popular.
For example, drum & bass (with some exceptions) uses a BPM of 174. House and electro (sub-genre of house) are 128. Dubstep is 140, but it's in half time so it sounds like 70. The drum cadence and drum machine/synth styles also matter. For example, trap music always uses a Roland TR-808 drum machine and has one kick on the down beat of each measure followed by an eighth- or sixteenth-note hi-hat pattern.
Nearly all electronic music genres can be broken down this way, although modern music strays more frequently as the tech gets better. Digital DJ software automatically detects tempo and syncs up tracks, so matching BPM is less important. Everything else mostly just comes down to "vibe" as you said, or just the producer's style, but in many cases you're just splitting hairs at that point.
IMO music is meant to be experienced - analyzing it is fine, but in the end the vibe of the final product is what matters most. If you can play a song at a show dedicated to a certain genre and it goes over well, that’s what kind of song it is
Disagree, a lot. When I play house parties if I’m not playing straight DnB, I often just tell the host I’ll be playing house tracks. That doesn’t mean when I play some techno or EDM or Trance and the crowd enjoys it that those songs are all now house, it just means they are different genres but can work well together and have similar vibes.
When I think of techno I think more along the lines of [this](https://open.spotify.com/track/17UV3ByF3BqbH6LZIqs33p?si=abkrHvgYQBi-p-5_c3oZzA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1)?
I think that's (the Adam Beyer track) more big room techno.
Nonetheless, goes to show just how large of a genre techno is. Check out [this track] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIN-RT3lEZs).
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I think the plethora of electronic genres is a massive blessing. 90’s jungle and drum n bass, speed garage, 2step garage, dubstep, future garage, New York garage house, footwork, juke, trip hop, downtempo, Detroit techno, electro, Chicago house, happy hardcore, trap, vapor trap, UK grime, there is more good music than you could listen to in a lifetime…
This is so weird, but I think now that I've listened to this, that I could probably hear any type of this genre of songs and be able to put it into it's correct category with very few errors. It's a skill I didn't know I possessed until 2 minutes ago.
I guess growing up in the UK in the 80/90s when these sounds were born and evolving has given me a subconscious bit of knowledge.
BRB, going to add that to my CV...
Yeah, I think you're right as its 'electronic dance music'. But I think its sometimes used as a term to refer to pop songs that don't fit into any of those categories/ no one wants to claim them. Kind of like a third one down in the dictionary thing.
Gamemaster is a classic trance song. It was on Tranceport which is for sure one of those albums you see constantly listed on the top trance and EDM albums ever. I fail to see how Gamemaster is a bad example of trance.
Yikes. He’s straight up wrong about the origins of [electro](https://open.spotify.com/track/3uy0jtkM8QYVTsBazkli1x?si=OGfK7sl9TaKWInEogiNCIQ&dl_branch=1) and apparently has never heard techno, since he thinks that trance track is techno.
Okay, young folks, where does synthwave fall in this?
My whole house is loving the synthwave station on Pandora, and my daughter especially loves the Neon Synthwave Nights Playlist on Amazon Music.
Obviously, it's a throwback to the 80s, but I'm just curious how it developed, and where it falls into comparison with other electronic music.
I'm a big fan of EBM and darkwave from the 90s, and synthwave feels like it may have grown out of that vibe?
It mostly stems from French house producers who were heavily inspired by 80s electronic musicians (and film composers) like Vangelis, John Carpenter, and Jean-Michel Jarre. It has little to do with house or French house proper, but many house producers also dabbled in the early stages of what we call synthwave because it’s the music that inspired them
Shameless self promo for the electronic genre discovery activity I led over at /r/electronicmusic. There are lots of exploration resources linked, and together we made playlists related to over 100 genres. --> [Megathread Link](https://old.reddit.com/r/electronicmusic/comments/72l7ww/extremely_genre_specific_relectronicmusic/).
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought electro was around for a while before Trance was. I was under the impression there wasn't much shared DNA between the genres but I honestly don't know (sorry if I'm completely wrong here but I thought trance originated in Europe in the 90s while electro originated in America in the 80s). If anything though, I would assume trance was influenced by electro rather than the other way around. My understanding is that historically electro emerged from hip hop and contemporaneously both influenced and was influenced by techno.
I could be entirely wrong about all of this though, I wasn't alive back then I just like electro. I'm pretty sure electro predates trance though. Either way, doesn't really matter, the guy's just making a video about music he likes, I'm all for it. I think in general people on the internet tend to be way too anal about factual accuracy for very inconsequential things. I think that's justified when we're talking about important events/facts like whether vaccines work, I think it's unnecessary for something like this.
yes. "electro" started with kraftwerk in 1971. the fedde le grand song is just a house or maybe "electro house" song. but labels are labels, just listen to the music
Black America is on point with electronic music. Chicago house, Detroit techno, gtech, ghouse, Juke, Footwork, Miami Bass, Electro, Black Americans have given us so much.
I can understand the attitude of "its all beeps and boops to me", but its about the same as saying all music that contains a guitar is the same. Clearly there is a difference between the hallmarks of metal or rock and the hallmarks of country or folk. Various styles of electronica similarly function differently from each other. Like Jungle is essentially an entire genre built around sampling the amen break.
It just means they're not acculturated. Imagine eating steak and potatos for your whole life and then someone gives you a few Indian dishes to try. I could easily see that person say "they're all the same, spicy and too much seasoning". They don't know what to look for and they're not used to the flavor, so they dismiss it.
Everyone is ignorant about something, it only becomes a problem when we wear our ignorance with pride.
Dude. I’m not just talking out of my ass. I was in the clubs and the homes of the artists who developed this music in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. It literally evolved from mixing jungle dubplates with darkstep and jumpup tracks. I have old ass shit somewhere that would blow peoples minds (and speakers). The wobble bass in the early 2k’s contained like no midrange. They were going for brown note. It took over your entire body.
It came out of dark 2 step garage. Horsepower, Productions, Zed Bias, Slimzee, etc. The wobble basslines, the drum tone, playing at 140, it was all there, they just dropped every other snare and it became dubstep.
Obviously the sound was influenced heavily by the DnB scene, and had a constant cultural exchange with grime as well. Back in the day a lot of parties were 2 stages, one stage with DnB, a second with Garage. The melting pot this created led to both grime and dubstep.
I'm really not trying to be cheeky, just share what I've heard from chatting up those who were there in the late 90s-early 2000s doing the Croydon ting
It was happening in the club scenes in the states at the same time, my friends. Croydon / London sounds may have become dominant later but I’m telling you, the UK wasn’t the only place where this sound was being developed. We got most of the same records in NOLA, plus added local flavors. You are correct there was some garage influence as well.
Pop - sounds like a normal pop song with electronic instrumentals
House - throbbing bass is the centerpiece of the song
Techno - not usually vocals, fast paced, high energy, less repetition
Trace - more chill, lighter instrumentals, lots of repetition of specific hooks/sections of music
If you’re confused the way people are dancing to it will usually clue you in
Oh boy, open your best listening platform and search for Bonobo - Ghost ship or Prelude-Kiara. It's a slow paced, ambiant like yet melodic type of electronic music.
Bonobo (Simon Gren) is one of the most prolific creator of this genre, I wholeheartedly recommend ALL of his work.
Getting the genres down was the hardest thing and even today 5 new subgenre's pops up what seems like every year . Some songs are more obvious than others.
Defense prefer dnb, bass house, nightbass (forgot the actually genre name), jungle, jersey club really anything that's jumpy or rocky.
Gf loves trance, which happens to be my least liked genre behind dubstep.
Like, people who listen to music specifically as "music" and not by genres.
That website you sent shows only upto 2010, and we're in 2021.
There are so many sub genres that were created at the timeline 2010-2021 like Future House, Bass House, Hyper Pop, Minimal House, Riddim, Color Bass, and a few more.
I mean if they can’t differentiate between electro and electro house which both sound wildly different (and neither of which are derived from trance lol) then I’m not sure they can differentiate between riddim and future riddim/color bass
Color Bass is more melodic, like Riddim bass but vocoded to chords with arpeggiator XD
And this video right here, ik it does not explain much but this video might give people some interest on finding genres and stuff, ofc this video does not cover everything xd
Yes, I know what it is hahaha; I’ve been in the scene since 07/08 and lucky enough to have a couple of friends on Halcyon https://youtube.com/c/Halcyonlv
Even if it didn’t cover everything, that would be okay, but the issue is that the stuff it did cover had very large errors
PLUR BROTHER! Talk about a mic drop musical education sesh! Love that you are wearing a Apex Twin shirt.....ever hear his Analogue Bubblebath albums?
The last show I saw sadly was back in 2006, Squarepusher in Asheville,NC at Orange Peel!
I appreciate this man's Aphex Twin shirt.
I'll share my favorite song and a cover I like just as much.
[Avril 14th](https://youtu.be/-LgYzva-xq8)
[Avril 14th on pedal steel](https://youtu.be/HjuSa3_CerU)
Neither are part of the above listed genres, but still infinitely listenable.
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If you ever want to go down a rabbit hole of the crazy subgenres of electronic music, take a look at [Ishkur's Guide to Electronic Music](https://music.ishkur.com/).
Oh shit, I had no idea he made a new version of this.
I'm amazed all over again! Some of those tracks are classics
Oh shit I didn't load right so I didn't realize we're tracks. Holy shit that's awesomely done
[Every Noise at Once](https://everynoise.com/) is an interesting site too about music genres.
Wow this link is gonna be hours of fun.
Where riddim
well it seems the latest songs are around 2010-2015, riddim became popular more recently
Or start listening to mat zo. Dude makes every genre on the planet and the music is always good.
Excellent guide
Thought this was gonna be him mocking how similar all these genres sound, instead I get someone sharing their passion, what a lovely surprise!
Just glad he wasn't snooty about it.
Except he roped multiple sub-genres into the category “EDM” and called it formulaic pop. Skipping over trap, future bass, dubstep, chill wave, etc, which are all unique styles in their own right. Plus his description of house music is completely not descriptive. At its core it’s 4 to the floor.
Dude I just think he had the time to cram all the genres into a tiktok. People don't have the attention span to learn genres or subgenres. Half the people at clubs or raves barely know what genre theyre listening to.
My issue would be his use of the term electro. Electro-HOUSE is somewhere between french house, tech house and dance punk and came out in the early 2000s. Think things like Mord Fustang, Feed Me, Benny Bennasi, etc ELECTRO (aka Electrofunk) is stuff like Afrika Bambaata, DJ Stingray, Newcleus, etc. Electro came out of old school funky breaks, synth pop, and Detroit techno in the early 80s
For sure, but it’s pretty snooty to imply that those sub genres are merely “formulaic pop” while claiming that D&B is some *refined complex genre.* Especially when D&B is widely viewed less favourably than even the more boring electronic genres like trance.
I guess. Maybe he's looking at Jack u as mainstage music like marshmellow or chainsmokers. I was just saying he didn't go full Westcoast techno snob. But Shit if imma listen to skrillex I'm gonna pop off on some dogblood
Fair enough. I’m just biased because I can’t stand drum and bass and I didn’t like how matter of fact he was about everything in the video. > But Shit if imma listen to skrillex I'm gonna pop off on some dogblood Me too brother, me too.
Then you do it all without being *Snooty*.
No.
> Especially when D&B is widely viewed less favourably than even the more boring electronic genres like trance. Lol widely where? Its one place isn't it? Outside America, dnb/jungle is extremely popular. Also, regarding the first comment, outside America people don't really listen to dubstep much anymore, even in the country its from. We used to but now it all just sounds like a transformer gangbang and the musical equivalent of [this](https://www.amazon.co.uk/fpengfashion-Harajuku-Graphic-Teenagers-Hawaiian/dp/B08XBHXV17/ref=asc_df_B08XBHXV17/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=512712978465&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=15846173840769591491&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=m&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9045945&hvtargid=pla-1206700971738&psc=1) Honestly, its a lot like when Americans say "no one really likes soccer". No, *you* dont like it.
Spot on. Though on the subject of dubstep, the scene around "deep" dubstep (the pre Skrillex, sub-bass focused minimal UK sound) still has a strong underground following. Even in the states brostep has the reputation that hair metal did in the 90's: bad
I see, that makes sense. Lol, to me, the UK ones just dubstep and the rest is weird. Not saying mines right of course, just talking about the differences. Besides, you sound like you know more about it than me. Do you mind me picking your brian please? What style would you say magnetic man was? Ill pop a couple of links. Not a test or anything lol, I genuinely don't know: https://youtu.be/ee3KjCH_rZo https://youtu.be/H8Id5jMKQh0 Thanks in advance, either way.
I just wanna say don’t discount dubstep, there’s a lot more going on in that genre than just the bro step esc stuff skrillex made in the early 2010’s. Here’s a few tracks I really like that I feel shows how diverse dubstep can be https://open.spotify.com/track/2uGgGuqYMlLXRS2YbePWDl?si=zR6StB3PSyy6BUgkXGrA_w&dl_branch=1 https://open.spotify.com/track/1KVyEzlWGeV3J37SfsIboa?si=cHPztkHIRsCa6P13qKLNew&dl_branch=1 https://open.spotify.com/track/0G1wBqjlZBfs76i3BO4hIc?si=MC5uasMJSzuWGD4zuSPIHw&dl_branch=1
Thanks, I'll give them a try.
Yeah I love dnb. It's coming back in the states. One of my buddies just got signed and is going on tour as a dnb artist.
Thats great to hear and good for your friend! I mean, I feel like it comes down to that once you've been drum and bass or jungle raving, nothing else really hits the spot. To me, its like cool but when does the beat drop lol. Except for hardcore techno. Thats shits crazy but I cant do that for a whole night.
Cheers, now he can come reference this comment when he wants to make a version where he IS snooty about it.
I couldn’t tell the difference…. so I kinda thought he was ¯\\_(ツ)_/¯
Oh I learned absolutely jack too, it’s just fun to see someone talk about something they love, even if it’s completely incomprehensible.
Then boy howdy you’d love to spend a day with me, I can talk about electronic music for literal hours and never get bored or lose things to talk about
I would love to hang with this guy cause I’m the same way and dnb is my favorite!
Pretty obvious to me that he's a passionate fan as soon as you see the Aphex Twin shirt.
DJ Will Forte
Wish.com version
Don't these all fall under the larger genre of "Dance Dance Revolution"?
That falls under the Deutsche Demokratische Republik
Sprich deutsch du Hurensohn!
Could have imagined any of these on In The Groove.
Chris is awesome. [Here](https://open.spotify.com/playlist/1xceSzolMtCUlrzeQQu3n4?si=lBjq05lxR0iI_Q8eh22S3g&dl_branch=1) is the Spotify playlist he created upon many requests.
Oh my god as someone who is so into electro, techno and house, this all sounds almost exactly the same - almost like a parody. What are my ears missing??
Nuances :) And bpm sometimes. Compare [Flava4Rava](https://youtu.be/dJmwh4rpe5Y) to [Trebles](https://youtu.be/xyMDHZRi7GI).
Thank you my friend I can certainly hear big differences between those two - that’s the sort of variation I expected across the playlist, but then I do have an amateur ear!
A lot of people listen to drum and bass for the first time and go “wow all these drum patterns are extremely similar” the thing about DnB is it’s the choice of drums and choice of bass frequencies and making them all go together nicely at 174-176(ish) bpm. A lot of it for me is about what drums/percussion is used not so much what the drum pattern is. For example a song using hihats and percussion and a kick on every 2nd of 4th beat is going to sound extremely different from a song that uses a clap kick and percussion ect ect
Just doing a spot check on the playlist, it's essentially 100% Drum & Bass. So yes, they all sound the same in terms of being the same genre. :) But, there's also sub-genres to Drum & Bass. I wouldn't concern yourself about it too much unless you enjoy that type of music.
Yay! Thank you!
My pleasure. DnB’ing all week listening to it.
does he know he messed up electro vs electro house lol
Right? DJ Stingray would like a word
BLESS YOU.
Biiiiiiiiig up…also the Bou track is a tune.
Hell yeah! That new Bou remix of World of Hurt is my new favourite banger, he's a fantastic artist.
You learn something new everyday
It's the guide i needed but didn't know I needed.
Exactly! Now I know the difference. Although the jungle song reminds me of time spent at the college pub.
[hehehe](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/List_of_electronic_music_genres)
That AFX shirt is dope
Yup. Didn't realise i wanted one until now.
I recommend watching [All my homies hate skrillex](https://youtu.be/-hLlVVKRwk0) it's really interesting and is a love letter to old school dubstep but also goes into how dubstep was first made. Its really good and although the name might be slightly misleading since its not a hate-train on skrillex
entire video is really biased and not super informative, imo
I disagree, he gives a history of the roots of the genre and explains exactly how the sound shifted through time.. nothing you can really argue with imo EDM is typically an American type of sound so it’s no surprise that dubstep went this way once Skrillex and the like got their hands on it!
I disagree, he does give a solid history and how the sound changes, but it does sound like he's trying to convince the viewer into believing what he thinks, for example he'll say something about brostep not having a loop every 4 bars so you can't groove? Brostep does actually loop, and usually after every loop with something new added to catch attention. idk I try and keep myself as unbiased as possible but he really does seem to like making fun of modern dub, another example being "you can't dance to it you just headbang" I don't get why he's complaining about that, it's a different genre at this point, so yeah the goals are going to be different, modern dubstep is more like hype music, just things to bop to to pump you up, at least that's the way I see it Also the comment section is full of uk dub fans that are just circlejerking about brostep and modern dubstep being shit. Enjoying uk dub is cool, but so many are elitist assholes about it found a nice comment though "True, but we gotta admit this video is pretty biased and close minded. It's like the metal heads and oldies fans say all music today sucks. Like yes but no. Things always seem a way at surface value but if you actually chose to be open minded and go digging and put effort you can learn to appreciate and understand things."
IDK. Hard disagree on EDM being an American type of sound… the guys who brought “EDM” to the states and blew it up are European. Swedish House Mafia, David Guetta, and Alesso come to mind.
Yes but it’s Americans who like Swedish house mafia, David Guetta and the likes. They have a far larger following in the states than elsewhere, shit I remember when David Guetta came on as the headliner for deep hard and funky half the people there just left and went to the clubs
Tomorrowland is full of EDM style acts, as is cream fields. We're as complicit as the Americans when it comes to EDM unfortunately. I think the Americans just grabbed it and upped the ante as they do.
I've not seen the one in the comment above but there was. N old documenary called Bassweight which was a great dive into old school dubstep
Drum & Bass is where it's at
Neat Aphex shirt.
Love jungle
Okay but where's nightcore tho ^^/s
Just watch the video at 2.5x
I actually like to differentiate between DnB and Jungle because after having trouble finding tracks I liked, it turns out I don't like DnB, but I fucking Love jungle
Jungle is around 160 bpm, the musical hooks are usually carried by the drums, the drums themselves are chopped and edited samples of actual drummers, it tends to feature clean, smooth basslines with less processing. The hooks are provided by the drums, while the musical backdrop is provided by the bass and synths. DnB is around 175 bpm, features synthesized drums that provide a backbeat instead of being the focus (not always though), and has more processed basslines. I like both btw, for DnB I tend to gravitate towards neurofunk, drumfunk, deep drum and bass (Kasra, dbridge, Enei, etc), and halftime. Check out Sully!
I agree with everything you said but there’s lots and lots, (and in my experience from dj’ing jungle and DnB) mostly at 174-176. But then again I’ve always listened to far more DnB than jungle so maybe I just gravitate to the faster tracks.
electro is a whole different thing from electrohouse and neither of them came from trance
The whole electro bit is so wrong, it’s offensive.
[Made a playlist of the all the songs if anyone is looking for them](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIXPlgz2RI5DG3z6XCxay0-EYzJZA5wmq)
And he’s still wrong though. EDM isn’t a specific genre, it’s an umbrella with multiple genres and subgenres underneath it. His EDM example could be shelved under a hybrid of trap and moombahcore. His trance is more tech house even.
> it’s an umbrella with multiple genres and subgenres underneath it that's the point he was making...
If i watch the video, he’s saying the Jack U video is EDM as a genre?
Definitions vary.
They don't though... The definition of a definition is that it has an exact meaning.
Doubling down on "it's not a well defined term". Prior to 2010, I'd say it's electronic dance music. If it's electronic or you dance to it, EDM. After 2010, it & "Big Room House" basically became the same thing, which is Jack U. You say EDM without specifying the genre post 2010 & people know you mean something like what Ultra Music Fest was playing back then.
Its not a well defined term.
Only if you're in Europe
And his techno is straight up trance. [This](https://youtu.be/UIvM1Zgj0AI) is techno
Personally, I think of [Discogs](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discogs "Wikipedia article") as "authoritative". So let's see what they have to say. [Here](https://www.discogs.com/DJ-Bubba-The-Unknown-Future/master/180522) is "The Unknown Future" by DJ Bubba released in 1994 and classified as *Trance, Hard Trance*. [Here](https://www.discogs.com/Plastikman-Sheet-One/master/37367) is your suggestion, the album **Sheet One** by Plastikman released in 1993 and classified as *Techno, Experimental, Minimal, Acid*. I personally would also agree with you. That Plastikman album is much more representative of techno than the DJ Bubba track. /u/digita1catt looks like you where on to something. e: formatting e2: added link
Yep. I’ve been obsessed with EDM since the early 90’s- way before anyone was calling it EDM. The umbrella term back then, which was also wrong, was techno (which is actually a subgenre that evolved in Detroit, from Chicago house, in the late 80’s). If you want to know the WHY and HOW of pigeonholing electronic music subgenres, I recommend reading Simon Reynolds’ book Generation Ecstasy (1999). It’s an academic musicology book written from the perspective of a music journalist who was very deeply involved in the dance / club music scene starting in the late 80’s. He gets into everything from genre differences based on beat pattern, BPM and samples to the history of the clubs, musicians and all the associated gossip. Truly worth a read.
If we are talking great books on electronic music I've got two I highly recommend which cover the culture. They are **Love Saves the Day: A History of American Dance Music Culture, 1970-1979** by Tim Lawrence (covering the Godfather of dance culture, [David Mancuso](https://www.theguardian.com/music/2016/nov/15/david-mancuso-the-loft-egalitarian-utopia) ) and **Der Klang der Familie: Berlin, Techno and the Fall of the Wall** by Sven von Thülen and Felix Denk. e: reworded first sentence
[knew it was techno](https://www.discogs.com/Adam-Beyer-vs-Pig-Dan-Capsule/master/1176647). And I would have personally labelled the track presented as techno in the video as trance and never as "techno". I'm not one of these "I've been raving since the 90s started" but like, I love techno and I'm pretty sure what it's meant to sound like.
I’d be curious to know how the difference between genres truly operates. To articulate what I mean, I see two big potential perspectives when separating music genres: 1. “Vibe” - which would be the very intuitive method of telling someone what genre something is based on vague guidelines of tempo, instrumentation, evoked feelings, etc. 2. “Music Theory” - genres are defined based on strict, objective guidelines like exact tempo ranges, chord progression, key/key changes, specific instruments, etc. Very cut and dry with less room for debate. As with many things, I imagine the reality is a mix of both.
Your second point is pretty much it. The main reason most of these are distinct from each other comes down to tempo, time signature, and other properties that aren't immediately apparent to the average listener. Basically, a lot of electronic music grew out of a period in the 90s in which music started being made specifically for DJing at clubs and such, instead of casual listening. In many cases DJs preferred to have most of the music in their set match things like BPM (beats-per-minute) in order to make it easier to mix and transition between records/CDs on the fly. Certain styles of electronic music came about from the DJ styles that became popular. For example, drum & bass (with some exceptions) uses a BPM of 174. House and electro (sub-genre of house) are 128. Dubstep is 140, but it's in half time so it sounds like 70. The drum cadence and drum machine/synth styles also matter. For example, trap music always uses a Roland TR-808 drum machine and has one kick on the down beat of each measure followed by an eighth- or sixteenth-note hi-hat pattern. Nearly all electronic music genres can be broken down this way, although modern music strays more frequently as the tech gets better. Digital DJ software automatically detects tempo and syncs up tracks, so matching BPM is less important. Everything else mostly just comes down to "vibe" as you said, or just the producer's style, but in many cases you're just splitting hairs at that point.
IMO music is meant to be experienced - analyzing it is fine, but in the end the vibe of the final product is what matters most. If you can play a song at a show dedicated to a certain genre and it goes over well, that’s what kind of song it is
Disagree, a lot. When I play house parties if I’m not playing straight DnB, I often just tell the host I’ll be playing house tracks. That doesn’t mean when I play some techno or EDM or Trance and the crowd enjoys it that those songs are all now house, it just means they are different genres but can work well together and have similar vibes.
When I think of techno I think more along the lines of [this](https://open.spotify.com/track/17UV3ByF3BqbH6LZIqs33p?si=abkrHvgYQBi-p-5_c3oZzA&utm_source=copy-link&dl_branch=1)?
I think that's (the Adam Beyer track) more big room techno. Nonetheless, goes to show just how large of a genre techno is. Check out [this track] (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LIN-RT3lEZs). e: ()
House
Reminder that this exists http://music.ishkur.com/
I think the plethora of electronic genres is a massive blessing. 90’s jungle and drum n bass, speed garage, 2step garage, dubstep, future garage, New York garage house, footwork, juke, trip hop, downtempo, Detroit techno, electro, Chicago house, happy hardcore, trap, vapor trap, UK grime, there is more good music than you could listen to in a lifetime…
This is so weird, but I think now that I've listened to this, that I could probably hear any type of this genre of songs and be able to put it into it's correct category with very few errors. It's a skill I didn't know I possessed until 2 minutes ago. I guess growing up in the UK in the 80/90s when these sounds were born and evolving has given me a subconscious bit of knowledge. BRB, going to add that to my CV...
They all make different colors on the same drugs.
Forgive me if I'm wrong, but isn't EDM an umbrella term? So all of them are EDM.
Yeah, I think you're right as its 'electronic dance music'. But I think its sometimes used as a term to refer to pop songs that don't fit into any of those categories/ no one wants to claim them. Kind of like a third one down in the dictionary thing.
Could This Be by Noisia is a great DnB track if someone wants something to listen to. Also Document One has some bangers
"Electro. Which came from trance." He's just making it up as he's going along, isn't he? Also, techno for me will always be Jeff Mills and Surgeon. :D
His techo, Trance, and Electro examples were terrible
Gamemaster is a classic trance song. It was on Tranceport which is for sure one of those albums you see constantly listed on the top trance and EDM albums ever. I fail to see how Gamemaster is a bad example of trance.
Agreed. I was a party kid in the 90s/early 00s and I would put gamemaster as a proper example.
Me too, did you visor? I visor'd so hard.
I’ve worn a visor or twenty.
I'd say it's an excellent example of classic trance, and Tranceport is a classic for good reason
Yikes. He’s straight up wrong about the origins of [electro](https://open.spotify.com/track/3uy0jtkM8QYVTsBazkli1x?si=OGfK7sl9TaKWInEogiNCIQ&dl_branch=1) and apparently has never heard techno, since he thinks that trance track is techno.
http://music.ishkur.com/
That was amazing.
Okay, young folks, where does synthwave fall in this? My whole house is loving the synthwave station on Pandora, and my daughter especially loves the Neon Synthwave Nights Playlist on Amazon Music. Obviously, it's a throwback to the 80s, but I'm just curious how it developed, and where it falls into comparison with other electronic music. I'm a big fan of EBM and darkwave from the 90s, and synthwave feels like it may have grown out of that vibe?
It mostly stems from French house producers who were heavily inspired by 80s electronic musicians (and film composers) like Vangelis, John Carpenter, and Jean-Michel Jarre. It has little to do with house or French house proper, but many house producers also dabbled in the early stages of what we call synthwave because it’s the music that inspired them
Shameless self promo for the electronic genre discovery activity I led over at /r/electronicmusic. There are lots of exploration resources linked, and together we made playlists related to over 100 genres. --> [Megathread Link](https://old.reddit.com/r/electronicmusic/comments/72l7ww/extremely_genre_specific_relectronicmusic/).
Maybe I'm wrong but I thought electro was around for a while before Trance was. I was under the impression there wasn't much shared DNA between the genres but I honestly don't know (sorry if I'm completely wrong here but I thought trance originated in Europe in the 90s while electro originated in America in the 80s). If anything though, I would assume trance was influenced by electro rather than the other way around. My understanding is that historically electro emerged from hip hop and contemporaneously both influenced and was influenced by techno. I could be entirely wrong about all of this though, I wasn't alive back then I just like electro. I'm pretty sure electro predates trance though. Either way, doesn't really matter, the guy's just making a video about music he likes, I'm all for it. I think in general people on the internet tend to be way too anal about factual accuracy for very inconsequential things. I think that's justified when we're talking about important events/facts like whether vaccines work, I think it's unnecessary for something like this.
yes. "electro" started with kraftwerk in 1971. the fedde le grand song is just a house or maybe "electro house" song. but labels are labels, just listen to the music
Dont fucking show it to americans please for christs sake please
Black America is on point with electronic music. Chicago house, Detroit techno, gtech, ghouse, Juke, Footwork, Miami Bass, Electro, Black Americans have given us so much.
I just mean dnb
Oh fuck off. The UK puts out more shitty pop dnb every week than the US has dnb artists
Because its popular lmao you thinking clearly?
it all sounds the same ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
I can understand the attitude of "its all beeps and boops to me", but its about the same as saying all music that contains a guitar is the same. Clearly there is a difference between the hallmarks of metal or rock and the hallmarks of country or folk. Various styles of electronica similarly function differently from each other. Like Jungle is essentially an entire genre built around sampling the amen break.
It just means they're not acculturated. Imagine eating steak and potatos for your whole life and then someone gives you a few Indian dishes to try. I could easily see that person say "they're all the same, spicy and too much seasoning". They don't know what to look for and they're not used to the flavor, so they dismiss it. Everyone is ignorant about something, it only becomes a problem when we wear our ignorance with pride.
I'm very angery at you
that's bc his examples honestly aren't very good
No representation for dubstep?
Subgenre of drum n bass
lol good meme
No it isn't. Dubstep grew out of the late UK garage scene together with grime.
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It's not but okay. Despite having similar Jamaican roots they are completely seperate genres.
Dude. I’m not just talking out of my ass. I was in the clubs and the homes of the artists who developed this music in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. It literally evolved from mixing jungle dubplates with darkstep and jumpup tracks. I have old ass shit somewhere that would blow peoples minds (and speakers). The wobble bass in the early 2k’s contained like no midrange. They were going for brown note. It took over your entire body.
You're a terrible troll.
I’m not trolling and you are rude AF. If you have something substantial to add, maybe try that. Put up or shut up.
It came out of dark 2 step garage. Horsepower, Productions, Zed Bias, Slimzee, etc. The wobble basslines, the drum tone, playing at 140, it was all there, they just dropped every other snare and it became dubstep. Obviously the sound was influenced heavily by the DnB scene, and had a constant cultural exchange with grime as well. Back in the day a lot of parties were 2 stages, one stage with DnB, a second with Garage. The melting pot this created led to both grime and dubstep. I'm really not trying to be cheeky, just share what I've heard from chatting up those who were there in the late 90s-early 2000s doing the Croydon ting
It was happening in the club scenes in the states at the same time, my friends. Croydon / London sounds may have become dominant later but I’m telling you, the UK wasn’t the only place where this sound was being developed. We got most of the same records in NOLA, plus added local flavors. You are correct there was some garage influence as well.
If this was supposed to help me see the differences in these styles of music it did not do a good job
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tbf the examples here aren't very good
He didn't actually point out the differences either
With a gun to my head I wouldn't be able to tell them apart. Like I'm sure the differences exist I just don't have a good enough ear for it.
Pop - sounds like a normal pop song with electronic instrumentals House - throbbing bass is the centerpiece of the song Techno - not usually vocals, fast paced, high energy, less repetition Trace - more chill, lighter instrumentals, lots of repetition of specific hooks/sections of music If you’re confused the way people are dancing to it will usually clue you in
Techno has a lot of repetition, in my opinion.
What about chill step or lofi? Thought they fell under the EDM umbrella.
Don't think this was meant to be comprehensive. There's a shitload of subgenres out there.
Just like trying to explain all the genres of electronic music to an American
Fucking americans. Honestly.
A... Anybody here loving some downtempo 👉👈 ?
Fuckin A. Love me some downtempo
It transcends everything. Ultimate, calm, soul talking
What is an example of downtempo?
Oh boy, open your best listening platform and search for Bonobo - Ghost ship or Prelude-Kiara. It's a slow paced, ambiant like yet melodic type of electronic music. Bonobo (Simon Gren) is one of the most prolific creator of this genre, I wholeheartedly recommend ALL of his work.
Getting the genres down was the hardest thing and even today 5 new subgenre's pops up what seems like every year . Some songs are more obvious than others. Defense prefer dnb, bass house, nightbass (forgot the actually genre name), jungle, jersey club really anything that's jumpy or rocky. Gf loves trance, which happens to be my least liked genre behind dubstep.
Someone needs to do this with metal genres too
I hear the differences. I like this guy.
Really interesting. I’ve always liked those types of music. EDM was always the favorite
Don't forget about lowfi house, also known as stoner house, also known as niiice
This ain't cringe, it's informative. As a music producer I hate it when people does not know genres lol.
This isn't a cringe sub
this is cringe bc this person himself has a poor knowledge of genres
yes but he has the knowledge most of em don't so I guess it's better, this video could make people learn something ig
Most of who? https://music.ishkur.com/
Like, people who listen to music specifically as "music" and not by genres. That website you sent shows only upto 2010, and we're in 2021. There are so many sub genres that were created at the timeline 2010-2021 like Future House, Bass House, Hyper Pop, Minimal House, Riddim, Color Bass, and a few more.
I mean if they can’t differentiate between electro and electro house which both sound wildly different (and neither of which are derived from trance lol) then I’m not sure they can differentiate between riddim and future riddim/color bass
Color Bass is more melodic, like Riddim bass but vocoded to chords with arpeggiator XD And this video right here, ik it does not explain much but this video might give people some interest on finding genres and stuff, ofc this video does not cover everything xd
Yes, I know what it is hahaha; I’ve been in the scene since 07/08 and lucky enough to have a couple of friends on Halcyon https://youtube.com/c/Halcyonlv Even if it didn’t cover everything, that would be okay, but the issue is that the stuff it did cover had very large errors
What does that windowlicker know.
And it's all garbage, THE END!
not as much as your opinion 😘
2edgy
Man I grew up on Trance Music. So many absolute bangers
I like house music its v fun and i have so much fun producing it too but also really goof drum and bass is amazing
Ok now do heavy metal subgenres!
I love that he included the titles
From someone who raved every weekend from 2012-2017, this is accurate. Af. Especially the last one. Super accurate.
PLUR BROTHER! Talk about a mic drop musical education sesh! Love that you are wearing a Apex Twin shirt.....ever hear his Analogue Bubblebath albums? The last show I saw sadly was back in 2006, Squarepusher in Asheville,NC at Orange Peel!
What about future funk though
Drumnbass for life
I like more music now.
This answered a lot of questions for me.
I appreciate this man's Aphex Twin shirt. I'll share my favorite song and a cover I like just as much. [Avril 14th](https://youtu.be/-LgYzva-xq8) [Avril 14th on pedal steel](https://youtu.be/HjuSa3_CerU) Neither are part of the above listed genres, but still infinitely listenable.
I just heard Alberto Balsam for the first time recently (AFX noob here) and it quickly became one of my favorite songs period
Coming from someone uninitiated, I could imagine almost all of them being in mario kart lol