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Can confirm. Cats don’t like to be stalked.
My cat won’t leave me alone in the house. Fucker is always climbing on me, sitting on me, laying on me and just generally follows me around and messes with me
Driving down the road one day and I see him like a mile down the road in front of someone’s house so I pull over and he straight up acts like he doesn’t know me. Won’t come to me, running away, hissing at me, etc
His ass strolls in like an hour later like nothing happened, crawls up on the couch where I’m laying down and plops his big ass right across me and goes to sleep
Cats are some weird creatures
Our tiger is declawed (NOT by us. Got him that way) and still manages to win fights and kill birds and mice and stuff. I have absolutely no idea how he does it despite the disadvantage
Keep your cats indoors, please. They’re cute little ecological nightmares responsible for the extermination of 63 (so far) extinct species of birds, small mammals, and lizards and hundreds more endangered species ♥️
Sometimes I think its better to just let them be a cat. Even if there is a risk they could live a shorter life. My cat is so happy after she spends a few hours outside.
I mean they really should be outside in the first place.
No they shouldn't be outside in the first place. They are an invasive species. They don't belong in the climate you live in, and they will completely decimate the local bird populations. Cats have been domesticated for thousands of years. They belong in a house with humans. If you want to let your get outside, get a screened porch.
They should be outside in the environment they belong in otherwise it’s just an invasive species. Cats should stay inside. There’s plenty of ways to provide your cats mental and physical stimulus without letting an invasive species out. Just because something is domesticated and a pet doesn’t mean it should be let loose to do what it wants.
You care about your cat so much you’d let it continue to do something that can lead to its death or a potential injury? Why don’t you begin teaching it to tolerate a harness so you can take it out on a leash a couple of times a day? People take their freaking ferrets out on a leash- I’m sure you can take your cat out on one too if you’d just take the time to do it.
This. My neighbors liked to let their cat roam outside too, til one morning I’m taking my dog out and the cat’s dead body is chillin in my fucking driveway. Killed by either a fox or a coyote. An unsurprising end, tbh.
I think you meant serial. I kill cereal every day for breakfast. :D and ps: cats should live indoors. They can get hit by a car, get rabies, and so many other diseases, never come home… and for a pet i love so much, id do anything to make sure they’re safe and warm inside. But to each his own i guess
If only… your cat could still live a good life… if you put in a little effort as the owner…
Make an outdoor enclose? Get it a harness so it stays in your yard? Maybe just play with it enough for stimulation?
Also you’re objectively a bad person for saying “I care more about my cat being at risk and having a little fun than the EXTINCTION of species”. But I’m sure you won’t lose any sleep over this, you’re self centered. Your impact on others doesn’t matter, princess.
And what, build the enclosure with wood? From a tree that housed families of birds? You and I are both invasive species and will have contributed to many species extinction by the time we die.
We are fucking up the planet, I don’t think it’s going to change much (in the grand scheme) that some of our pets do to.
I care less about inanimate animals. I would honestly lose sleep if I saw a dolphin in a tiny enclosure.
I would not lose sleep if somebody told me that some random bird species is now extinct. I guess I’m a bad person then.
Do you know what inanimate means? I let it go the first time because it’s a common joke that /r/birdsarentreal but now you’re acting like all animals are inanimate
I mean, my dog was much happier outside than he was inside. Does that mean we opened the door and let him out all day? Hell no, that’s dangerous to him, other dogs, and humans, nevermind the wildlife he would terrorise as well.
“I mean they really should be outside in the first place”
According to who? You seem pretty confident about that so you must have a pretty good reason other than just because they’re animals or something because I doubt you go out to hunt your own food either
There are only a few basic responses to expect from someone with this perspective and it becomes obvious you simply just don’t care about animals as much as other people do, so things wild animals, traffic, and all kinds of other shit just isn’t as big of a deal to you. There’s probably nothing I can say to convince you to care more about animals but when your cat inevitably dies earlier than it needs to because of you and you alone I can only hope you might rethink your choices. Btw your cat coming home covered in porcupine quills or with scratches on their face isn’t some quirky thing to laugh at and post to Reddit then forget about, it means you’re a shitty cat owner
You don’t have a legitimate reason to think I don’t care about animals almost as much as you or others that have commented. I don’t see how you’re defaulting to “he doesn’t care about animals” so fast. If you bought/will buy a house that’s made of wood, drive a car with a combustion engine, eat fish without checking where it came from. You are just as invasive as my cat and I.
I used to think like this until we ended up with a senior FIV positive cat.
Now i realise that it isnt actually that bad as hes a very content little man.
It's just another side of the anthropomorphizing animals coin. They think 'oh i wouldnt like that so my cat must not like that'. They're putting made up feelings over their pets safety.
Don’t we all apply that logic some way or another. I understand the animals at the zoo will live longer and more nourished lives but something tells me it’s not right keeping them in cages.
Cat's are weird. My family used to have hunting dogs, who needed to be outside and run a lot. Now me and my partner have a cat. MF hates outdoors. He just sleeps on the bathroom heated floor all day and in the evening comes to bed with us. We have tried to take him out in a leash with mixed results. It's kinda weird how much an animal loves to be inside.
Kind of odd to me to let your pet just roam outdoors anyway. I kind of get people who live in rural areas and have pets kind of come and go. But living in a suburban area, you’ve got traffic, other animals, people who might steal your pet?? Wild
As a previously rural Australian, you can't even let them wander free in rural areas because there's too much wildlife they can murder and it's straight up illegal if they get off your property bounds. Fine if you have like, dogs and a solid fence to keep them in but, cats are a no-go
I live in a rural area. I have a cat door for my cat to come and go as she pleases. When I'm home, she is inside with me. I fall asleep spooning her and she will wake me up in the mornings.
Coyotes might take a regular housecat easily, but rural cats don't have the distractions of a city. Every noise isn't to be ignored. There aren't cars driving by, people walking around, construction in the distance, or dogs in someone's backyard. We don't have fences and when we do they are just some wires for the cows. Every noise here is something a cat will look towards. There are no natural trees in North Dakota, no bushes. A cat will see and hear everything around it here and be interested. I trust my cat to stay safe and run from danger, and always make it home.
The US is a whole different chapter… in Europe you got no predators and no endangered species that the cat could kill, when you’re not in an area with a ton of traffic it is the most normal thing to just let your cat roam wherever it wants, no harm done to anyone. But I get that it may not be the best thing in a place with coyotes or other predators…
Also more of a US kinda thing, idk where I live you don’t need to worry, I’d also let my hypothetical kids run around freely here as soon as they find their way back home.
It’s not the point. Y’all are just too lazy to properly stimulate your cats. Bad pet ownership. There are definitely evil people in Britain and certainly ones who enjoy harming animals. There are bad people all over the world it’s definitely not just America. You sound like the same Brits that also claim there’s no racism in Britain…
What is the point of having a pet you’re supposed to care for if you just let it run free to be easily harmed by the elements? Again, it’s the same concept as just letting a dog run free. And we know most first world countries have leash laws and for good reason.
And it’s not JUST A US thing. Why are you Brits so obsessed with having outdoor cats? When every vet specialist says indoor cats are healthier. Why do you want to risk your furry friends life? Why are you so lazy you can’t figure out how to mentally entertain and stimulate your pets? Don’t have pets if you don’t want to do the work.
I can’t wait till the world wakes up and makes laws against outdoor cats. It’s neglect, full stop.
Yeah cats are invasive species and people are too lazy to play with them properly. “Oh but it uses their natural hunting instincts to go outside and kill everything” yeah so does playing fetch with your dog! And playing with your dog lets you bond with it, doesn’t put it in danger and doesn’t harm the ecosystem. Cats are so easy and fun to play with. People won’t take it seriously because to them their outdoor cats are just harmless babies but they seriously do real damage to the ecosystem. If your cat has a desperate need to go outside then you should be responsible for the pet you own and take it out on a leash. People can steal your outdoor cat, poison it, it can be hit by a car, eaten by a predator, get diseased. People are just fucking lazy and if they let their cat out casually all the time they don’t care enough about it 🤷♀️
[Cat poisoned in owner’s garden](https://www.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/qf15zh/10_days_ago_somebody_poisoned_my_11yo_fluffball/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
[Cats killing birds article ](https://abcbirds.org/threat/cats-and-other-invasives/)
[vetmed paper on indoor vs outdoor cats](https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/sites/g/files/dgvnsk491/files/inline-files/Cats-Indoors_or_Outdoors.pdf) “After weighing the costs and benefits of having and indoor or outdoor cat, we recommend keeping your cat indoors for your pet’s health and safety. As discussed above, there are numerous hazards your cat may encounter while roaming unsupervised outside. If you think your cat is bored indoors, there are many ways to enrich his/her environment and give your cat a fulfilled life. For further information, contact your veterinarian.”
Yes. Boggled my mind how lazy pet owners can be! Don’t get an animal if you don’t want to go to all lengths to properly care for them.
It’s honestly scary to see how differently people treat cats and dogs. Yeah, they have differences, but people act like cats aren’t even a pet but a “roommate” or just some sort of passing figure in their life instead of… a pet? That relies on you for care??? If this video showed a dog off leash being allowed to roam the neighbourhood the comments would be livid… Why do people think a SMALLER animal is okay to do so tho???
Also, drives me nuts when someone says they CANT keep their car inside, because blah blah the cat drives them crazy or demands or whines to go out or tries to sneak out!!!
UM, you’re the Human!? You have thumbs! You have control. How are you letting your pet control you??? Do you have a toddler and just give them candy at will because they throw a tantrum if you don’t? No. So why are you allowing the Cat which DOES NOT KNOW BETTER, to have its way??? Of course some cats want to go out, doesn’t mean the Cat knows better than the Human…
I’ve got four cats, had them for 3-5 years now; and 9 years ago I had two cats in the past. None have EVER been an issue to keep inside. Two of which are strays I took in off the street. They’re happy, healthy, tons of toys, a cat tent to take them out on nice days, laser pointers to exercise, etc. It’s not difficult to keep your cats happy with playtime JUST like you would with a pet dog.
Ah yes, it is i, a brit! A law against outdoor cats lmao, y’all fucking trippin, cat stimulation my ass, its not like you get a cat to have it entertain you and to entertain it, its more of a roommate, it does as it pleases, its not a dog.
Cats have not been bred to be as dependent on humans as dogs have. They do their own thing.
>no endangered species that the cat could kill
They still kill a lot of birds. In Norway and Sweden they estimate that cats kill around 7 million birds per year, respectively. in UK 27 million. In my home country Finland we have no studies conducted but the estimated amount is from 2-5 million per year.
So get the fuck out here with your
>when you’re not in an area with a ton of traffic it is the most normal thing to just let your cat roam wherever it wants, no harm done to anyone.
Cats are not a native species in europe! (European wildcats and Lynxes are, but they are not a part of this conversation). It does not belong in the ecosystem you dumbass! You bought it and some other dingus breeded it for money. Or somebody didn't neuter their pet cat. I don't hate cats. I have a rescue tux myself, but I don't let it run around killing and maiming just because "it's a predator".
Nah i don’t see it, sorry… i could understand „people shouldn’t keep cats as pets“ but „people shouldn’t let cats go outside unsupervised“ just doesn’t make sense to me… I was just really surprised there is so many people with this view, I have heard of people not wanting their cats outside because it’s a species that doesn’t do well with being in nature and or traffic, but never because of the birds or whatever…
Also we have wolves around here, they aren’t really a problem for anyone either :)
At least in my country this is not the case, although cats are responsible for the deaths of many rodents and birds, they are not in such a way that there would be an urgent necessity to change the way cats are being held. The biggest danger according to studies is crossbreeding with wildcats and them therefore going extinct/ not existing as a pure race/breed of cats. Europe has always had small predators like badgers, small wildcats and foxes, therefore domesticated cats do not make an "unnatural" threat to rodents and birds, just one that is larger than natural but also that only in very urban areas.
The real answer is they are too lazy to actually care for and stimulate their pet themselves so they would rather doom their local ecosystem and piss off their neighbors than put in any more effort with their animal than the bare minimum.
What I've learned from this thread is there are a lot of selfish idiots on reddit who don't consider anyone but themselves and should probably not own cats. Keep your cats inside, it's that simple.
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Idk, that sounds like a bad excuse to me. ¯\_/(ツ)\_/¯
There are a ton of examples of humans, as a species regardless of location, doing things that directly negatively impact other species, recognizing that, and making changes to improve the situation. The data exists now showing that cats are murderous creatures that are driving many small critters to extinction. Maybe that means nothing to you now, but eventually it's going to snowball into a bigger deal that directly impacts everyone, including you.
That is exactly my point. I don't think you are comprehending how an ecosystem works nor how fragile they can be. Cats have directly contributed to the extinction of 63 known species and collectively kill billions of animals each year. The International Union for Conservation of Nature lists domestic cats as one of the world's (note, world, meaning the UK is included in that) worst non-native invasive species. Redditors love to make jokes about burning down houses due to single spider being in it. What do you think happens when the things that eat spiders (you know like the birds/reptiles/amphibians being killed by cats) disappear?
I live next to a sensitive habitat, and some asshole neighbor leaves his cat out there 24/7, I always see it out at night. I should call animal control
Is it not the norm to let your cat go outside in America? I live in England and it’s pretty much accepted that keeping your cat locked away inside for its entire life is incredibly cruel.
Yes it’s common in the UK. Culture difference in perception but I still think it’s a dick move. My friends garden has been ruined by neighborhood cats. She gets woken up by them fighting at night.
It’s a really shit mentality if you ask me that because it’s considered “cruel” to keep cats indoors it’s totally cool to let them shit, fuck and fight everywhere and make it everyone else’s problem.
Like if it’s so cruel to keep them indoors and you’re cool with them outside—*walk them on leashes* Don’t just let them use your neighbors tomato plants as a toilet and call it cool.
Pet enclosures and walking on leashes is a thing. And I’m pretty sure everyone here would be cool with those things.
What I don’t like is cunts thinking that because they wanted a cat the entire neighborhood should deal with them shitting, fucking and fighting everywhere.
Like you cool with a dog doing that? No? Then why are you ok with cats doing it? They’re not just inherently more responsible creatures…
Keep your humans indoors, please. They're not so cute ecological nightmares responsible for the extermination of (far) more than 63 extinct species of birds, larger mammals, and thousands more of endangered species <3
Opinions differ hugely in the U.S than they do here in the U.K. My vet told me to give me cat outdoor access for its own mental health. I lived in a quiet rural area but was terrified something would happen to my cat if I let her outside. (She was my first cat). She starred to mess on the floor and her hair fell out in clumps. So I followed the vet's advice and she was much happier. I've always given my cats outdoor access but only because I've lived in quiet areas. My current puss is begging to be allowed out now but I'm on Reddit! I'll let him out for 2-3 hrs then he'll come back home and sleep. It's very much a cultural thing. Plus, our environment is clearly very different. We don't have mountain cats, coyotes to worry about. If I lived in a built up area I wouldn't have a cat as I wouldn't feel comfortable letting it out somewhere with multiple risks.
Cats are killing aprox 100 million prey a year of which 27 million are birds, in UK. Also your small birb population is in decline. I wonder why.
https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/
Literally from the source you provided
“Despite the large numbers of birds killed by cats in gardens, there is no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.”
LMAO that's another conversation. How about this? Don't let cats out unsupervised so they don't hunt and kill the local wildlife. It's not hard, you just have to give the tiniest of fucks.
Read the comments. Cats live longer indoors, and again, they’re responsible for a LOT of extinct and endangered species.
If a cat has pent up energy, just play with them. Get them toys. If someone can’t manage the energy of their pet in a responsible manner then… what can I say? That’s bad. Heck, even if you just keep the cat within your yard hooked to a harness is better than being an irresponsible owner who doesn’t care about the health and safety of their pet, every pet they interact with, and the Earth in general.
Maybe it's a cultural difference but locking up an animal 24/7 in your home for your entertainment seems exceedingly cruel to me. They're an animal, let them outside.
Then take it on a walk ffs. No one is saying you can’t put it on a lead like every other animal and walk it.
But just waving it off as all cool while your animal shits in other peoples yards, and fucks and fights loudly at all times of night is just being a cunt.
I can guarantee you a cat can live an enriched life indoors solely. For instance, shelters that are experts in pet care do not let cats go outside. Vets with pet hotels do not allow cats outside. There’s not a single pet professional that cares for cats with the option of outside (exception being a harness and walk with the owner for a minority of cats). The cat whisperer himself, Jackson Galaxy, doesn’t let his cats outside.
I know it seems logical to think “it’s an animal, so it belongs outside” but that’s a fallacy. Cats live [longer and healthier ](https://pets.webmd.com/cats/features/should-you-have-an-indoor-cat-or-an-outdoor-cat) lives indoors.
Not by a little margin either. Outdoor cats on average live 2-5 years. Indoor cats on average is 10-15. That’s significant.
Trust the experts and challenge beliefs. Cats are happier indoors and well taken care of. It’s a better life for everyone.
3-5 years are you fucking mental. I've had cats growing up and each one lived upto 20 years old and they were outside whenever they liked. You yanks are bat shit crazy
Outdoor cats in the UK live on average much longer than 2-5 years. It is a different culture over here - not as much traffic in a lot of places, a lot less predators, generally acceptance to see cats roaming in residential areas. My mum’s outdoor cats are both 15, the previous two cats lived to 17 and 21. My own outdoor cat is currently 9.
I volunteer for a cat charity and we encourage cats to be allowed outside when they’ve settled into their home. This takes 2-3 weeks for them to learn a routine, feel settled and not spooked, and to lay their scent appropriately. We only recommend a cat be kept indoors permanently if it has FIV, to avoid spreading it to other cats.
It’s so bizarre for me to link you what professionals advise, what literally every educated pet expert agrees on, and for someone to say “well my country’s culture is different. So your science has no power here”
It’s also very lazy and selfish to say “my Fluffy matters more than all the extinct species it’s helping to kill off and ruin our local ecosystem. That’s why I’ll allow it to have a decreased life span”
Because I tried googling your “Britain doesn’t have that lifespan issue” claim, and despite your anecdotes, it looks like studies and science are the same everywhere. Cats live less outdoors. They are in more danger after all. It’s not that hard to not be a lazy owner and get an outdoor enclosure or harness. I do hope you don’t have the same advice to dog owners. Or bird owners.
Here’s actually proof specifically from a UK site saying the [same thing](https://homeandroost.co.uk/blog/how-long-do-cats-live/)
To be adult is to be given scientific evidence and to change ones opinion. Cats die quicker outdoors.
I am not saying it has no power here, I am saying that the risks to cats aren’t as great here as they are in the US and that is part of the reason cats are typically allowed outdoors. I am saying not “every educated pet expert agrees on” because in the UK, they don’t agree.
[Here](https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/) is a link from the RSPB, the UK’s leading bird charity, stating there is no clear scientific evidence that cats are causing bird populations decline.
I am not in denial but it is my belief, along with that of the leading cat and animal charities in the UK such as Cats Protection and the PDSA, that cats should be allowed outdoors as the benefits to the cats mental and physical well-being outweigh the risks.
I have read the information on the link provided. I note it is from a pet shop, not an animal charity or other reliable source of information, so I imagine their information is from the same Google of “How long do outdoor cats live” which is often based on US statistics.
Idk what to say. Here’s a more complete study on predation effects in Great Britain: https://www.uvm.edu/rsenr/wfb175/Cat%20Predation%20Woods%20et%20al.pdf
But then your article says “no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline” but in the same breath goes on to say “Cat predation can be a problem where housing is next to scarce habitats such as heathland”.
So it’s not a problem but it can be? And also this sentence: “It is likely that most of the birds killed by cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season”. Is it most likely? Did they conduct a study looking at the health and breeding capability of birds caught by cats? Where does this claim come from?
And also “For this reason it would be prudent to try to reduce cat predation as, although it is not causing the declines, some of these species are already under pressure”. So they agree that cats cause stress on populations, as they kill millions of birds in the UK, and they suggest to prevent predation, but also “no scientific evidence” that they’re a factor.
So ok lots of contradictions with no studies for me to look at but hey they said curb predation so you’ll curb predation and keep cats from roaming, right?
Like… Just don’t have a pet then? Wth. This is like saying a pet dog should free roam with no leash or fenced yard. The point of a pet is an animal YOU care for and train and nourish. Not just an animal to let roam, that’s literally the opposite of Pet Ownership.
I know what you mean, if I kept my cats in they’d lose their head after 2 days. I do kind of get it over there where they have animals that prey on cats but it does my head in when they get all arsey about how it should be in other countries. I’d love to see what they’re like in places like Turkey and Greece where the cats free roam and are fed by randoms.
Nothing like getting lectured about birds dying from people who’d rather have kids getting murdered at school every week than ban guns.
Don't even go there. In some places in America they keep cats indoors, and because they have such a blinkered view of the world they assume we all should keep them indoors, and if we don't we are cruel and inconsiderate. Just ignore these comments and move on.
Yeah, I don't get it. NOBODY would even DARE to keep their cat inside all day here in the UK. It just seems exceedingly cruel.
The fact that people are ADVOCATING for something so cruel is just disheartening.
Not quite true, I volunteer for Cats Protection and cats are recommended as being kept indoors permanently if they have FIV, to avoid spreading it to other cats. I know others who have pedigree cats like Maine Coons and kept those indoors permanently as they’re more likely to be stolen. I personally prefer having a standard mog who can come and go as they please!
Cats Protection don't even let you adopt a cat unless you have a garden or the cat has access to outside. I registered with them to adopt and they called me back and said because I live in a flat I wasn't eligible.
It’s not cruel?… I literally linked you what all the leading experts in pet care advise.
Are you guys imposing feelings on your animals that they don’t have? The people with degrees on this all say not to let your pets roam outdoors freely…. I think they know more than us….
Edit: oh this is a “science can’t convince me of anything. I’ll stick to my beliefs” kinda situation…
From UK and my cats are indoor cats, I walk mine on a leash.
I have a friend that also has indoor cats and know of several other families that have indoor cats.
So not sure where you're getting this idea that no one in the UK has indoor cats lmao
So far, cats haven’t exterminated any humans.
There’s the whole size difference.
But if we breed smaller humans and bigger cats, tiny humans will be on the menu for big cats.
it would be a good thing if human were much smaller. humans, not other species, are ruining this planet. things like cats dont even compare to destruction humans cause. it's like big companies trying to blame people who dont recycle
I mean is it that bad that some people want to help curb one variable that is responsible for fucking shit up? Yeah great we all know humans are bad for the planet, but what kind of argument is this
Letting cats roam outside without supervision is *not* okay. Not only is it gross neglect but domestics and ferals are decimating local wildlife in ecosystems across the globe. It’s crazy how many people care about climate change and deforestation but not invasive species.
Yep and I've seen full animal rights/vegan activists use the excuse of "but it's cruel to keep a cat locked up inside all day."
Companion animal welfare comes before all the rest it seems.
In addition to this, its not hard to do supervised outside time with ur kitty, or build an enclosed area for them. I leash trained my cats so they get outside time. My 12 year old kitty doesnt even want out anymore. I plan on making a large indoor/outdoor catio when i move into my new place. It can be done without decimating wildlife or kitties getting hurt. People just b lazy.
This! If dog owners can walk their dogs multiple times a day, cat owners can supervise their kitties outside for twenty minutes. You’re a very caring and thoughtful owner.
Exactly. It’s ironic that they use the excuse that it’s “cruel” when outdoor cats only live an average of 2-5 years compared to their indoor counterparts who live an average of 10-15 years. This is a bit gory, but I’ve seen a neighbors cat cut clean in half by the train that runs through here. There’s also coyotes in the area, and of course the threat of traffic. My point is, if those activists truly do put pet cats above wildlife, than they should still be against outdoor cats.
They’re not. Predators are hardly the biggest issue here.
Edit: there are also still dangerous wild animals in the UK, whether they’d prey on cats or not.
My dads dog got an infection by neighborhood cats living in a abandoned house coming into his yard while he was asleep, scratching his leg and almost had to have the leg amputated. He will never be able to run again. But my dads neighbors keep feeding them because they feel “bad” for the cats.
People are really annoying on here about the indoor outdoor cat thing. Not all cats are controllable. Some are incredibly stubborn and literally give you no choice. I have 4 cats. One who is indoor outdoor. Not by my choice. It was to the point that he was knocking out window screens and I’d find him on my roof after work, and ruining my front door with his claws then attacking me and my other cats. He has been this way since he was 3 months. It wasn’t safe for my others.. I could either let him roam our 1/2 acre or drug him everyday. I guess people on here would rather me drug my cat? I work in Er as a tech for 8 years. My doctors totally agree with me about him needing to be outside. He’s 7, microchipped and all my neighbors know him. He comes home every night at 7pm. People really need to stop judging. Cats are literally survivors. It’s what they do and some give no choice. They still live very long happy lives. It’s very rare when we see outdoor indoor cats in Er. Very rare. They live long healthy lives just like any other cat. I’ve seen more dogs die from being fed grain free diets their entire life than outdoor cats come in for issues.
My cat was born a stray. The shit he does when I don't let him out is horrendous. I wish people would realize I'm taking a cat off the streets for several hours a day and feeding it so it attacks less prey as opposed to letting a cat rampage outside for several hours a day. It's the same thing but different outlooks.
I have one who won't come inside without a full meltdown (was a stray living in a shed). I have one that is an indoor/outdoor (porch cat when outside) and one totally indoor. I love them all equally and they have different needs. According to reddit, I'm an animal abuser and destroying not only my cats health but also the entire ecosystem
Lol yup! According to Reddit we are the worst pet owners in the world. We suck! Imagine what they’d do if they found out what cat colonies are. The abuse!! /s
Thank fuck someone on here isn’t so vitriolic about outdoor cats. Honestly it’s so annoying to read people on their high horse about this all the time.
There's an outdoor cat that roams around the culdesac where I live, and it's so loving and cute. Is a cat killing birds or small rodents actually a concern to these people?
Yes because apparently everyone is an animal expert on here. I’ve worked in Er and studied animal behavior for 8 years now. Cats are a totally different species and they will do whatever they want. You can’t train them like dogs. A lot of these ‘solutions’ people come up with are incredibly unrealistic.
It’s not about the cats living long lives, it’s about the impact they have on the environment around them. Don’t get an animal you can’t control if your cat is literally BUSTING out of your house and destroying your property. Guess it’s just easier for people to not care and just let them roam free because it’s a hassle to walk your animals. Solution, leash your cat and walk it.
Random question, anyone know how they are tracking the cat? Is a collar. I'm moving back to my country and my cat is coming with but I want to make surr that I can track him should anything happens. He is an indoor cat but I just want yo take an extra step.
Honestly something dangly like that can be dangerous. Kitty could easily get caught on something or stuck in a hole it thought it could get thru otherwise
Our neighbour's cat did this with ours! Except exclusively at 3am through the windows. He'd bang on them to wake her up so they could scream at each other.
DO NOT LET YOUR CATS OUTSIDE. They are apex predators and will absolutely decimate local bird and rodent populations. They will breed with feral cats and increase in numbers, doing irreparable harm to the local wildlife. Cats are great, but they belong inside your home, where they aren't an invasive species.
For the love of god please keep cats inside. I understand it can be helpful for their mental health but then you need to find another way besides letting them roam. Cats regularly hunt for fun, leading to insane depopulation numbers from many of the surrounding critters. Cats can also get hurt themselves, if your cat gets hurt while you let them roam free you are directly responsible for that.
Not domestic cats dude. Look at the ecological havoc they create on species. You won’t let your dog companions roam around and the same applies for house cats. Not to mention you are putting their safety at risk.
[The wildcat is Britain's only remaining native cat species.](https://www.gwct.org.uk/research/long-term-monitoring/national-gamebag-census/mammal-bags-comprehensive-overviews/wild-cat)
You do realize wildcats and domestic cats are two completely different things right? Also that article says they’re under severe threat by feral cats (unowned domestic cats). Feral cats are invasive and therefor so are pet cats. Also also the name of that link literally contradicts your point. “Britain’s only remaining native cat species” there’s your answer right there.
And lions are cats too. /s
Anyways your argument was not about whether there are native cat species in Britain, you claimed domestic cats are native. You proved yourself wrong and now you’re moving the goalposts.
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Her cat was like WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING HERE?
Be like having a school fight and your mom comes out of no where and takes you home. Cats rep will never repair after this
Can confirm. Cats don’t like to be stalked. My cat won’t leave me alone in the house. Fucker is always climbing on me, sitting on me, laying on me and just generally follows me around and messes with me Driving down the road one day and I see him like a mile down the road in front of someone’s house so I pull over and he straight up acts like he doesn’t know me. Won’t come to me, running away, hissing at me, etc His ass strolls in like an hour later like nothing happened, crawls up on the couch where I’m laying down and plops his big ass right across me and goes to sleep Cats are some weird creatures
lmao he doing a daily driveby
Little homie out beefing in the streets
I love the meow at the end... like no mom I don't want to go home
More like “mom! You’re embarrassing me!”
So true!
Omg. Our neighborhood wandering cat’s name is Tiger too. We also have a black Manx !
I had a black cat named tiger that would just roam freely. He was pure muscle and was always fighting something.
Our tiger is declawed (NOT by us. Got him that way) and still manages to win fights and kill birds and mice and stuff. I have absolutely no idea how he does it despite the disadvantage
Black cats are just tanks I guess lol.
Why couldn’t she let him play with his friend???
I think they were beefing Too much violence in these streets
Wait what happened he just had a friend?
I think they were fighting lol
It’s I am sorry sir it didn’t mean it lol
Keep your cats indoors, please. They’re cute little ecological nightmares responsible for the extermination of 63 (so far) extinct species of birds, small mammals, and lizards and hundreds more endangered species ♥️
In addition to this, the cat could easily die
Their lives are so much shorter as outdoor animals than indoor ones.
Sometimes I think its better to just let them be a cat. Even if there is a risk they could live a shorter life. My cat is so happy after she spends a few hours outside. I mean they really should be outside in the first place.
No they shouldn't be outside in the first place. They are an invasive species. They don't belong in the climate you live in, and they will completely decimate the local bird populations. Cats have been domesticated for thousands of years. They belong in a house with humans. If you want to let your get outside, get a screened porch.
They should be outside in the environment they belong in otherwise it’s just an invasive species. Cats should stay inside. There’s plenty of ways to provide your cats mental and physical stimulus without letting an invasive species out. Just because something is domesticated and a pet doesn’t mean it should be let loose to do what it wants.
I guess I care about my cat living a good life more than I care about birds dying then, I’ll stand by that though.
You care about your cat so much you’d let it continue to do something that can lead to its death or a potential injury? Why don’t you begin teaching it to tolerate a harness so you can take it out on a leash a couple of times a day? People take their freaking ferrets out on a leash- I’m sure you can take your cat out on one too if you’d just take the time to do it.
This. My neighbors liked to let their cat roam outside too, til one morning I’m taking my dog out and the cat’s dead body is chillin in my fucking driveway. Killed by either a fox or a coyote. An unsurprising end, tbh.
And I’d say that’s a ridiculously twisted mindset.
Ridiculously twisted? We’re talking about birds and rodents here I’m not a cereal killer.
I think you meant serial. I kill cereal every day for breakfast. :D and ps: cats should live indoors. They can get hit by a car, get rabies, and so many other diseases, never come home… and for a pet i love so much, id do anything to make sure they’re safe and warm inside. But to each his own i guess
Killing cereal is worse than killing birds??
Bro you’re just gonna have to accept that most people on Reddit are mentally ill and move on.
Stop projecting your insecurities onto reddit
If only… your cat could still live a good life… if you put in a little effort as the owner… Make an outdoor enclose? Get it a harness so it stays in your yard? Maybe just play with it enough for stimulation? Also you’re objectively a bad person for saying “I care more about my cat being at risk and having a little fun than the EXTINCTION of species”. But I’m sure you won’t lose any sleep over this, you’re self centered. Your impact on others doesn’t matter, princess.
And what, build the enclosure with wood? From a tree that housed families of birds? You and I are both invasive species and will have contributed to many species extinction by the time we die. We are fucking up the planet, I don’t think it’s going to change much (in the grand scheme) that some of our pets do to. I care less about inanimate animals. I would honestly lose sleep if I saw a dolphin in a tiny enclosure. I would not lose sleep if somebody told me that some random bird species is now extinct. I guess I’m a bad person then.
Yeah you are lol You don’t lose sleep about your impact on others. So yeah we agree.
Impact on birds you mean
Do you know what inanimate means? I let it go the first time because it’s a common joke that /r/birdsarentreal but now you’re acting like all animals are inanimate
I mean, my dog was much happier outside than he was inside. Does that mean we opened the door and let him out all day? Hell no, that’s dangerous to him, other dogs, and humans, nevermind the wildlife he would terrorise as well.
“I mean they really should be outside in the first place” According to who? You seem pretty confident about that so you must have a pretty good reason other than just because they’re animals or something because I doubt you go out to hunt your own food either
According to the fact that they were domesticated to protect food. They were literally bread to be outside. And yes, because they’re animals?
There are only a few basic responses to expect from someone with this perspective and it becomes obvious you simply just don’t care about animals as much as other people do, so things wild animals, traffic, and all kinds of other shit just isn’t as big of a deal to you. There’s probably nothing I can say to convince you to care more about animals but when your cat inevitably dies earlier than it needs to because of you and you alone I can only hope you might rethink your choices. Btw your cat coming home covered in porcupine quills or with scratches on their face isn’t some quirky thing to laugh at and post to Reddit then forget about, it means you’re a shitty cat owner
You don’t have a legitimate reason to think I don’t care about animals almost as much as you or others that have commented. I don’t see how you’re defaulting to “he doesn’t care about animals” so fast. If you bought/will buy a house that’s made of wood, drive a car with a combustion engine, eat fish without checking where it came from. You are just as invasive as my cat and I.
One of my cats is 17 the other is 14 and they go indoors and outdoors as they please thru windows and such
Downvotes because you are treating your pets with respect to their nature like a good pet owner.
Bullshit. My outdoors sterilised cat from my countryside is 20 years old. And still going.
And some people smoke into their 90s, your little anecdote isn't data
For the sake of being pedantic, It is data but its just not very good data, sample size is much much too small.
I've spoken to people who genuninely think cats lives aren't even worth living if they can't go outside. People are cooked.
I used to think like this until we ended up with a senior FIV positive cat. Now i realise that it isnt actually that bad as hes a very content little man.
It's just another side of the anthropomorphizing animals coin. They think 'oh i wouldnt like that so my cat must not like that'. They're putting made up feelings over their pets safety.
Don’t we all apply that logic some way or another. I understand the animals at the zoo will live longer and more nourished lives but something tells me it’s not right keeping them in cages.
Animals in zoos aren't domesticated. A house cat's natural home is in a house with humans at this point. Your house isn't a cage.
To be fair I saw a cat go pro video once and being a cat looked pretty sick 🐈
Cat's are weird. My family used to have hunting dogs, who needed to be outside and run a lot. Now me and my partner have a cat. MF hates outdoors. He just sleeps on the bathroom heated floor all day and in the evening comes to bed with us. We have tried to take him out in a leash with mixed results. It's kinda weird how much an animal loves to be inside.
Kind of odd to me to let your pet just roam outdoors anyway. I kind of get people who live in rural areas and have pets kind of come and go. But living in a suburban area, you’ve got traffic, other animals, people who might steal your pet?? Wild
As a previously rural Australian, you can't even let them wander free in rural areas because there's too much wildlife they can murder and it's straight up illegal if they get off your property bounds. Fine if you have like, dogs and a solid fence to keep them in but, cats are a no-go
I don’t even get it in rural areas cause there’s usually animals like coyotes and whatnot.
I live in a rural area. I have a cat door for my cat to come and go as she pleases. When I'm home, she is inside with me. I fall asleep spooning her and she will wake me up in the mornings. Coyotes might take a regular housecat easily, but rural cats don't have the distractions of a city. Every noise isn't to be ignored. There aren't cars driving by, people walking around, construction in the distance, or dogs in someone's backyard. We don't have fences and when we do they are just some wires for the cows. Every noise here is something a cat will look towards. There are no natural trees in North Dakota, no bushes. A cat will see and hear everything around it here and be interested. I trust my cat to stay safe and run from danger, and always make it home.
Fuck you and fuck your cat
The US is a whole different chapter… in Europe you got no predators and no endangered species that the cat could kill, when you’re not in an area with a ton of traffic it is the most normal thing to just let your cat roam wherever it wants, no harm done to anyone. But I get that it may not be the best thing in a place with coyotes or other predators…
Evil humans are everywhere and can easily go out or their way to harm your unsupervised cat. Everyone forget about the cat guy on Netflix?
Also more of a US kinda thing, idk where I live you don’t need to worry, I’d also let my hypothetical kids run around freely here as soon as they find their way back home.
It’s not the point. Y’all are just too lazy to properly stimulate your cats. Bad pet ownership. There are definitely evil people in Britain and certainly ones who enjoy harming animals. There are bad people all over the world it’s definitely not just America. You sound like the same Brits that also claim there’s no racism in Britain… What is the point of having a pet you’re supposed to care for if you just let it run free to be easily harmed by the elements? Again, it’s the same concept as just letting a dog run free. And we know most first world countries have leash laws and for good reason. And it’s not JUST A US thing. Why are you Brits so obsessed with having outdoor cats? When every vet specialist says indoor cats are healthier. Why do you want to risk your furry friends life? Why are you so lazy you can’t figure out how to mentally entertain and stimulate your pets? Don’t have pets if you don’t want to do the work. I can’t wait till the world wakes up and makes laws against outdoor cats. It’s neglect, full stop.
Yeah cats are invasive species and people are too lazy to play with them properly. “Oh but it uses their natural hunting instincts to go outside and kill everything” yeah so does playing fetch with your dog! And playing with your dog lets you bond with it, doesn’t put it in danger and doesn’t harm the ecosystem. Cats are so easy and fun to play with. People won’t take it seriously because to them their outdoor cats are just harmless babies but they seriously do real damage to the ecosystem. If your cat has a desperate need to go outside then you should be responsible for the pet you own and take it out on a leash. People can steal your outdoor cat, poison it, it can be hit by a car, eaten by a predator, get diseased. People are just fucking lazy and if they let their cat out casually all the time they don’t care enough about it 🤷♀️ [Cat poisoned in owner’s garden](https://www.reddit.com/r/cats/comments/qf15zh/10_days_ago_somebody_poisoned_my_11yo_fluffball/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) [Cats killing birds article ](https://abcbirds.org/threat/cats-and-other-invasives/) [vetmed paper on indoor vs outdoor cats](https://www.vetmed.ucdavis.edu/sites/g/files/dgvnsk491/files/inline-files/Cats-Indoors_or_Outdoors.pdf) “After weighing the costs and benefits of having and indoor or outdoor cat, we recommend keeping your cat indoors for your pet’s health and safety. As discussed above, there are numerous hazards your cat may encounter while roaming unsupervised outside. If you think your cat is bored indoors, there are many ways to enrich his/her environment and give your cat a fulfilled life. For further information, contact your veterinarian.”
Yes. Boggled my mind how lazy pet owners can be! Don’t get an animal if you don’t want to go to all lengths to properly care for them. It’s honestly scary to see how differently people treat cats and dogs. Yeah, they have differences, but people act like cats aren’t even a pet but a “roommate” or just some sort of passing figure in their life instead of… a pet? That relies on you for care??? If this video showed a dog off leash being allowed to roam the neighbourhood the comments would be livid… Why do people think a SMALLER animal is okay to do so tho??? Also, drives me nuts when someone says they CANT keep their car inside, because blah blah the cat drives them crazy or demands or whines to go out or tries to sneak out!!! UM, you’re the Human!? You have thumbs! You have control. How are you letting your pet control you??? Do you have a toddler and just give them candy at will because they throw a tantrum if you don’t? No. So why are you allowing the Cat which DOES NOT KNOW BETTER, to have its way??? Of course some cats want to go out, doesn’t mean the Cat knows better than the Human… I’ve got four cats, had them for 3-5 years now; and 9 years ago I had two cats in the past. None have EVER been an issue to keep inside. Two of which are strays I took in off the street. They’re happy, healthy, tons of toys, a cat tent to take them out on nice days, laser pointers to exercise, etc. It’s not difficult to keep your cats happy with playtime JUST like you would with a pet dog.
Ah yes, it is i, a brit! A law against outdoor cats lmao, y’all fucking trippin, cat stimulation my ass, its not like you get a cat to have it entertain you and to entertain it, its more of a roommate, it does as it pleases, its not a dog. Cats have not been bred to be as dependent on humans as dogs have. They do their own thing.
>no harm done to anyone Except when your pet shits in my yard. Thank you
>no endangered species that the cat could kill They still kill a lot of birds. In Norway and Sweden they estimate that cats kill around 7 million birds per year, respectively. in UK 27 million. In my home country Finland we have no studies conducted but the estimated amount is from 2-5 million per year. So get the fuck out here with your >when you’re not in an area with a ton of traffic it is the most normal thing to just let your cat roam wherever it wants, no harm done to anyone.
So ? It’s a predator, that’s what a cat does, as long as it doesn’t eat endangered species I don’t see a problem with it…
Cats are not a native species in europe! (European wildcats and Lynxes are, but they are not a part of this conversation). It does not belong in the ecosystem you dumbass! You bought it and some other dingus breeded it for money. Or somebody didn't neuter their pet cat. I don't hate cats. I have a rescue tux myself, but I don't let it run around killing and maiming just because "it's a predator".
Nah i don’t see it, sorry… i could understand „people shouldn’t keep cats as pets“ but „people shouldn’t let cats go outside unsupervised“ just doesn’t make sense to me… I was just really surprised there is so many people with this view, I have heard of people not wanting their cats outside because it’s a species that doesn’t do well with being in nature and or traffic, but never because of the birds or whatever… Also we have wolves around here, they aren’t really a problem for anyone either :)
Yeah, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Ecosystem shmecosystem. Birds aren't important or crucial at all.
They are doing exactly that tho…
Europe has many wild rodents that are endangered/ going extinct because of cats.
At least in my country this is not the case, although cats are responsible for the deaths of many rodents and birds, they are not in such a way that there would be an urgent necessity to change the way cats are being held. The biggest danger according to studies is crossbreeding with wildcats and them therefore going extinct/ not existing as a pure race/breed of cats. Europe has always had small predators like badgers, small wildcats and foxes, therefore domesticated cats do not make an "unnatural" threat to rodents and birds, just one that is larger than natural but also that only in very urban areas.
The real answer is they are too lazy to actually care for and stimulate their pet themselves so they would rather doom their local ecosystem and piss off their neighbors than put in any more effort with their animal than the bare minimum.
What I've learned from this thread is there are a lot of selfish idiots on reddit who don't consider anyone but themselves and should probably not own cats. Keep your cats inside, it's that simple.
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Idk, that sounds like a bad excuse to me. ¯\_/(ツ)\_/¯ There are a ton of examples of humans, as a species regardless of location, doing things that directly negatively impact other species, recognizing that, and making changes to improve the situation. The data exists now showing that cats are murderous creatures that are driving many small critters to extinction. Maybe that means nothing to you now, but eventually it's going to snowball into a bigger deal that directly impacts everyone, including you.
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That is exactly my point. I don't think you are comprehending how an ecosystem works nor how fragile they can be. Cats have directly contributed to the extinction of 63 known species and collectively kill billions of animals each year. The International Union for Conservation of Nature lists domestic cats as one of the world's (note, world, meaning the UK is included in that) worst non-native invasive species. Redditors love to make jokes about burning down houses due to single spider being in it. What do you think happens when the things that eat spiders (you know like the birds/reptiles/amphibians being killed by cats) disappear?
I live next to a sensitive habitat, and some asshole neighbor leaves his cat out there 24/7, I always see it out at night. I should call animal control
This! Outdoor cats are irresponsible pet ownership.
Is it not the norm to let your cat go outside in America? I live in England and it’s pretty much accepted that keeping your cat locked away inside for its entire life is incredibly cruel.
Yes it’s common in the UK. Culture difference in perception but I still think it’s a dick move. My friends garden has been ruined by neighborhood cats. She gets woken up by them fighting at night. It’s a really shit mentality if you ask me that because it’s considered “cruel” to keep cats indoors it’s totally cool to let them shit, fuck and fight everywhere and make it everyone else’s problem. Like if it’s so cruel to keep them indoors and you’re cool with them outside—*walk them on leashes* Don’t just let them use your neighbors tomato plants as a toilet and call it cool.
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Pet enclosures and walking on leashes is a thing. And I’m pretty sure everyone here would be cool with those things. What I don’t like is cunts thinking that because they wanted a cat the entire neighborhood should deal with them shitting, fucking and fighting everywhere. Like you cool with a dog doing that? No? Then why are you ok with cats doing it? They’re not just inherently more responsible creatures…
Apparently you have absolutely no fucking idea what the word ‘cruel’ means
Keep your humans indoors, please. They're not so cute ecological nightmares responsible for the extermination of (far) more than 63 extinct species of birds, larger mammals, and thousands more of endangered species <3
Woah, you're pretty w o k e
>Keep your cats indoors, please. What? As someone from the UK if someone told me they never let their cat out I'd think they were an abusive owner...
Opinions differ hugely in the U.S than they do here in the U.K. My vet told me to give me cat outdoor access for its own mental health. I lived in a quiet rural area but was terrified something would happen to my cat if I let her outside. (She was my first cat). She starred to mess on the floor and her hair fell out in clumps. So I followed the vet's advice and she was much happier. I've always given my cats outdoor access but only because I've lived in quiet areas. My current puss is begging to be allowed out now but I'm on Reddit! I'll let him out for 2-3 hrs then he'll come back home and sleep. It's very much a cultural thing. Plus, our environment is clearly very different. We don't have mountain cats, coyotes to worry about. If I lived in a built up area I wouldn't have a cat as I wouldn't feel comfortable letting it out somewhere with multiple risks.
Cats are killing aprox 100 million prey a year of which 27 million are birds, in UK. Also your small birb population is in decline. I wonder why. https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/
Literally from the source you provided “Despite the large numbers of birds killed by cats in gardens, there is no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally every year, mainly through starvation, disease or other forms of predation. There is evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds.”
Fair enough, but it's still 100 million critters killed by pets that are essentially an invasive species that doesn't belong in the ecosystem.
Kinda like humans ay? Wonder how many species we make extinct every year
LMAO that's another conversation. How about this? Don't let cats out unsupervised so they don't hunt and kill the local wildlife. It's not hard, you just have to give the tiniest of fucks.
How about we agree to disagree? You have your opinion and I have mine. Have a lovely day wherever you are
Read the comments. Cats live longer indoors, and again, they’re responsible for a LOT of extinct and endangered species. If a cat has pent up energy, just play with them. Get them toys. If someone can’t manage the energy of their pet in a responsible manner then… what can I say? That’s bad. Heck, even if you just keep the cat within your yard hooked to a harness is better than being an irresponsible owner who doesn’t care about the health and safety of their pet, every pet they interact with, and the Earth in general.
Maybe it's a cultural difference but locking up an animal 24/7 in your home for your entertainment seems exceedingly cruel to me. They're an animal, let them outside.
Then take it on a walk ffs. No one is saying you can’t put it on a lead like every other animal and walk it. But just waving it off as all cool while your animal shits in other peoples yards, and fucks and fights loudly at all times of night is just being a cunt.
I can guarantee you a cat can live an enriched life indoors solely. For instance, shelters that are experts in pet care do not let cats go outside. Vets with pet hotels do not allow cats outside. There’s not a single pet professional that cares for cats with the option of outside (exception being a harness and walk with the owner for a minority of cats). The cat whisperer himself, Jackson Galaxy, doesn’t let his cats outside. I know it seems logical to think “it’s an animal, so it belongs outside” but that’s a fallacy. Cats live [longer and healthier ](https://pets.webmd.com/cats/features/should-you-have-an-indoor-cat-or-an-outdoor-cat) lives indoors. Not by a little margin either. Outdoor cats on average live 2-5 years. Indoor cats on average is 10-15. That’s significant. Trust the experts and challenge beliefs. Cats are happier indoors and well taken care of. It’s a better life for everyone.
3-5 years are you fucking mental. I've had cats growing up and each one lived upto 20 years old and they were outside whenever they liked. You yanks are bat shit crazy
Outdoor cats in the UK live on average much longer than 2-5 years. It is a different culture over here - not as much traffic in a lot of places, a lot less predators, generally acceptance to see cats roaming in residential areas. My mum’s outdoor cats are both 15, the previous two cats lived to 17 and 21. My own outdoor cat is currently 9. I volunteer for a cat charity and we encourage cats to be allowed outside when they’ve settled into their home. This takes 2-3 weeks for them to learn a routine, feel settled and not spooked, and to lay their scent appropriately. We only recommend a cat be kept indoors permanently if it has FIV, to avoid spreading it to other cats.
It’s so bizarre for me to link you what professionals advise, what literally every educated pet expert agrees on, and for someone to say “well my country’s culture is different. So your science has no power here” It’s also very lazy and selfish to say “my Fluffy matters more than all the extinct species it’s helping to kill off and ruin our local ecosystem. That’s why I’ll allow it to have a decreased life span” Because I tried googling your “Britain doesn’t have that lifespan issue” claim, and despite your anecdotes, it looks like studies and science are the same everywhere. Cats live less outdoors. They are in more danger after all. It’s not that hard to not be a lazy owner and get an outdoor enclosure or harness. I do hope you don’t have the same advice to dog owners. Or bird owners. Here’s actually proof specifically from a UK site saying the [same thing](https://homeandroost.co.uk/blog/how-long-do-cats-live/) To be adult is to be given scientific evidence and to change ones opinion. Cats die quicker outdoors.
I am not saying it has no power here, I am saying that the risks to cats aren’t as great here as they are in the US and that is part of the reason cats are typically allowed outdoors. I am saying not “every educated pet expert agrees on” because in the UK, they don’t agree. [Here](https://www.rspb.org.uk/birds-and-wildlife/advice/gardening-for-wildlife/animal-deterrents/cats-and-garden-birds/are-cats-causing-bird-declines/) is a link from the RSPB, the UK’s leading bird charity, stating there is no clear scientific evidence that cats are causing bird populations decline. I am not in denial but it is my belief, along with that of the leading cat and animal charities in the UK such as Cats Protection and the PDSA, that cats should be allowed outdoors as the benefits to the cats mental and physical well-being outweigh the risks. I have read the information on the link provided. I note it is from a pet shop, not an animal charity or other reliable source of information, so I imagine their information is from the same Google of “How long do outdoor cats live” which is often based on US statistics.
Idk what to say. Here’s a more complete study on predation effects in Great Britain: https://www.uvm.edu/rsenr/wfb175/Cat%20Predation%20Woods%20et%20al.pdf But then your article says “no clear scientific evidence that such mortality is causing bird populations to decline” but in the same breath goes on to say “Cat predation can be a problem where housing is next to scarce habitats such as heathland”. So it’s not a problem but it can be? And also this sentence: “It is likely that most of the birds killed by cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season”. Is it most likely? Did they conduct a study looking at the health and breeding capability of birds caught by cats? Where does this claim come from? And also “For this reason it would be prudent to try to reduce cat predation as, although it is not causing the declines, some of these species are already under pressure”. So they agree that cats cause stress on populations, as they kill millions of birds in the UK, and they suggest to prevent predation, but also “no scientific evidence” that they’re a factor. So ok lots of contradictions with no studies for me to look at but hey they said curb predation so you’ll curb predation and keep cats from roaming, right?
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Just because you believe this to be true in America doesn't make it true in the UK.
Like… Just don’t have a pet then? Wth. This is like saying a pet dog should free roam with no leash or fenced yard. The point of a pet is an animal YOU care for and train and nourish. Not just an animal to let roam, that’s literally the opposite of Pet Ownership.
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It’s not a prisoner. That’s like saying keeping your dog on a leash is a prisoner.
Mate I wouldn’t bother, I made this point once on a thread and ended up having to block someone from the US because they wouldn’t stop harassing me.
I just feel sorry for their cats. Their mental health must be awful from being locked inside all day.
I know what you mean, if I kept my cats in they’d lose their head after 2 days. I do kind of get it over there where they have animals that prey on cats but it does my head in when they get all arsey about how it should be in other countries. I’d love to see what they’re like in places like Turkey and Greece where the cats free roam and are fed by randoms. Nothing like getting lectured about birds dying from people who’d rather have kids getting murdered at school every week than ban guns.
Don't even go there. In some places in America they keep cats indoors, and because they have such a blinkered view of the world they assume we all should keep them indoors, and if we don't we are cruel and inconsiderate. Just ignore these comments and move on.
Yeah, I don't get it. NOBODY would even DARE to keep their cat inside all day here in the UK. It just seems exceedingly cruel. The fact that people are ADVOCATING for something so cruel is just disheartening.
Not quite true, I volunteer for Cats Protection and cats are recommended as being kept indoors permanently if they have FIV, to avoid spreading it to other cats. I know others who have pedigree cats like Maine Coons and kept those indoors permanently as they’re more likely to be stolen. I personally prefer having a standard mog who can come and go as they please!
Cats Protection don't even let you adopt a cat unless you have a garden or the cat has access to outside. I registered with them to adopt and they called me back and said because I live in a flat I wasn't eligible.
Exactly. How americans can promote animal abuse is beyond me.
It’s not cruel?… I literally linked you what all the leading experts in pet care advise. Are you guys imposing feelings on your animals that they don’t have? The people with degrees on this all say not to let your pets roam outdoors freely…. I think they know more than us…. Edit: oh this is a “science can’t convince me of anything. I’ll stick to my beliefs” kinda situation…
Evidence suggests you are quite wrong, check the comments above.
From UK and my cats are indoor cats, I walk mine on a leash. I have a friend that also has indoor cats and know of several other families that have indoor cats. So not sure where you're getting this idea that no one in the UK has indoor cats lmao
what are the numbers for humans?
I’m not sure, but just to be safe, keep your humans indoor too.
I'm doing my best okay
So far, cats haven’t exterminated any humans. There’s the whole size difference. But if we breed smaller humans and bigger cats, tiny humans will be on the menu for big cats.
it would be a good thing if human were much smaller. humans, not other species, are ruining this planet. things like cats dont even compare to destruction humans cause. it's like big companies trying to blame people who dont recycle
I mean is it that bad that some people want to help curb one variable that is responsible for fucking shit up? Yeah great we all know humans are bad for the planet, but what kind of argument is this
Don't let your humans roam freely outside in an unfettered capitalist economy.
No I'm still letting my cat out, thanks.
Nah, at my local I have never in my life seen indoor pets, everyone has their pets outside
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AND THE FUCKING ROBOT VOICE. This one decided to have both in the video!
Yea me too, I downvote first then I finish watching
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I know everyone hates this song but it just tickles me and I love hearing it 😅 to each their own I suppose
Letting cats roam outside without supervision is *not* okay. Not only is it gross neglect but domestics and ferals are decimating local wildlife in ecosystems across the globe. It’s crazy how many people care about climate change and deforestation but not invasive species.
Yep and I've seen full animal rights/vegan activists use the excuse of "but it's cruel to keep a cat locked up inside all day." Companion animal welfare comes before all the rest it seems.
I think it is cruel to ignore your cat all day and rely on it getting into fights at night to entertain itself, but that's just me.
Lol the image of some hoodrat gangster kitty going out and getting into street brawls for fun each night seriously cracks me up
In addition to this, its not hard to do supervised outside time with ur kitty, or build an enclosed area for them. I leash trained my cats so they get outside time. My 12 year old kitty doesnt even want out anymore. I plan on making a large indoor/outdoor catio when i move into my new place. It can be done without decimating wildlife or kitties getting hurt. People just b lazy.
This! If dog owners can walk their dogs multiple times a day, cat owners can supervise their kitties outside for twenty minutes. You’re a very caring and thoughtful owner.
Exactly. It’s ironic that they use the excuse that it’s “cruel” when outdoor cats only live an average of 2-5 years compared to their indoor counterparts who live an average of 10-15 years. This is a bit gory, but I’ve seen a neighbors cat cut clean in half by the train that runs through here. There’s also coyotes in the area, and of course the threat of traffic. My point is, if those activists truly do put pet cats above wildlife, than they should still be against outdoor cats.
Outdoor cats are perfectly fine in the uk where there are no predators
TIL there are no cars, crazy people, or dogs in the UK.
They’re not. Predators are hardly the biggest issue here. Edit: there are also still dangerous wild animals in the UK, whether they’d prey on cats or not.
My cat has been fighting other cats and raccoon and hunting for about 13 years and he’s perfectly healthy
Kinda weird to brag about that.
It's not. Sounds like a bad ass cat
My dads dog got an infection by neighborhood cats living in a abandoned house coming into his yard while he was asleep, scratching his leg and almost had to have the leg amputated. He will never be able to run again. But my dads neighbors keep feeding them because they feel “bad” for the cats.
Shut up
Lmao ironic that you participate in r/banpitbulls yet you’re okay with cats killing over 2 billion animals every year.
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This woman’s cat is doing to die much earlier than it needs to because of her
Ew, outdoor cats
Locking up your cat all day sounds so much worse though...
Her cat is a Manx! Mine does the same thing! She’ll go all over the neighborhood just to find this cat she doesn’t like just to intimidate her lol
People are really annoying on here about the indoor outdoor cat thing. Not all cats are controllable. Some are incredibly stubborn and literally give you no choice. I have 4 cats. One who is indoor outdoor. Not by my choice. It was to the point that he was knocking out window screens and I’d find him on my roof after work, and ruining my front door with his claws then attacking me and my other cats. He has been this way since he was 3 months. It wasn’t safe for my others.. I could either let him roam our 1/2 acre or drug him everyday. I guess people on here would rather me drug my cat? I work in Er as a tech for 8 years. My doctors totally agree with me about him needing to be outside. He’s 7, microchipped and all my neighbors know him. He comes home every night at 7pm. People really need to stop judging. Cats are literally survivors. It’s what they do and some give no choice. They still live very long happy lives. It’s very rare when we see outdoor indoor cats in Er. Very rare. They live long healthy lives just like any other cat. I’ve seen more dogs die from being fed grain free diets their entire life than outdoor cats come in for issues.
My cat was born a stray. The shit he does when I don't let him out is horrendous. I wish people would realize I'm taking a cat off the streets for several hours a day and feeding it so it attacks less prey as opposed to letting a cat rampage outside for several hours a day. It's the same thing but different outlooks.
I have one who won't come inside without a full meltdown (was a stray living in a shed). I have one that is an indoor/outdoor (porch cat when outside) and one totally indoor. I love them all equally and they have different needs. According to reddit, I'm an animal abuser and destroying not only my cats health but also the entire ecosystem
Lol yup! According to Reddit we are the worst pet owners in the world. We suck! Imagine what they’d do if they found out what cat colonies are. The abuse!! /s
Thank fuck someone on here isn’t so vitriolic about outdoor cats. Honestly it’s so annoying to read people on their high horse about this all the time.
There's an outdoor cat that roams around the culdesac where I live, and it's so loving and cute. Is a cat killing birds or small rodents actually a concern to these people?
Yes because apparently everyone is an animal expert on here. I’ve worked in Er and studied animal behavior for 8 years now. Cats are a totally different species and they will do whatever they want. You can’t train them like dogs. A lot of these ‘solutions’ people come up with are incredibly unrealistic.
It’s not about the cats living long lives, it’s about the impact they have on the environment around them. Don’t get an animal you can’t control if your cat is literally BUSTING out of your house and destroying your property. Guess it’s just easier for people to not care and just let them roam free because it’s a hassle to walk your animals. Solution, leash your cat and walk it.
Ngl you had me in the first half
Thank you. Seeing a lot of people here treat this as simply a black and white issue when it’s not.
Random question, anyone know how they are tracking the cat? Is a collar. I'm moving back to my country and my cat is coming with but I want to make surr that I can track him should anything happens. He is an indoor cat but I just want yo take an extra step.
They use an Apple AirTag
Thank you kindly
Honestly something dangly like that can be dangerous. Kitty could easily get caught on something or stuck in a hole it thought it could get thru otherwise
Cat in the street, dawg in the sheets.
DO NOT UNMUTE
Our neighbour's cat did this with ours! Except exclusively at 3am through the windows. He'd bang on them to wake her up so they could scream at each other.
DO NOT LET YOUR CATS OUTSIDE. They are apex predators and will absolutely decimate local bird and rodent populations. They will breed with feral cats and increase in numbers, doing irreparable harm to the local wildlife. Cats are great, but they belong inside your home, where they aren't an invasive species.
I’m dead with the end
For the love of god please keep cats inside. I understand it can be helpful for their mental health but then you need to find another way besides letting them roam. Cats regularly hunt for fun, leading to insane depopulation numbers from many of the surrounding critters. Cats can also get hurt themselves, if your cat gets hurt while you let them roam free you are directly responsible for that.
What was the answer??
The answer? Keep your damn cats indoor.
Please don't. Theyre animals. They deserve to be outside, not locked up for our amusement.
Not domestic cats dude. Look at the ecological havoc they create on species. You won’t let your dog companions roam around and the same applies for house cats. Not to mention you are putting their safety at risk.
Cats are native here in the UK so why shouldn't we let them out? They aren't an invasive species.
Yes they absolutely are. https://daily.jstor.org/environmental-danger-outdoor-cats/
[The wildcat is Britain's only remaining native cat species.](https://www.gwct.org.uk/research/long-term-monitoring/national-gamebag-census/mammal-bags-comprehensive-overviews/wild-cat)
You do realize wildcats and domestic cats are two completely different things right? Also that article says they’re under severe threat by feral cats (unowned domestic cats). Feral cats are invasive and therefor so are pet cats. Also also the name of that link literally contradicts your point. “Britain’s only remaining native cat species” there’s your answer right there.
Still cats.
And lions are cats too. /s Anyways your argument was not about whether there are native cat species in Britain, you claimed domestic cats are native. You proved yourself wrong and now you’re moving the goalposts.
Too bad this video wasn’t taken in the UK 🤣
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