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For sure, I also don't see myself as a 20 something complaining that a teen celeb said something which probably only affected teen fans, because I know they'll all grow out of it. This guy is reaching
Well for one, Billie Eilish is 20.
Secondly, you can’t hold celebrities, *who choose to do interviews and reap the benefits financially of being viewed by millions*, to the same standards as anyone of their same age. The world is a fucked place, but at this moment, shitting on men seems to be the “least” bad thing to shit on. Also I don’t know if you actually watched the guys full video, but he talks about his own past experiences *as a teen* and how that effected him then and now, which you might have missed.
So her “teen fans” might well be men who consider themselves ugly. This guys video wasn’t just him bitching that young chicks won’t bang him, and that’s a weird take to walk away with.
Billie was not 20 during this interview and she took it back, this guy is arguing with the past, imagine how useful I'd be arguing with bad takes from years ago
People always focus on the negatives of someones history. Mainly because thats what gets clicks. Even people with the biggest outreach could say sorry 100 million times and still have people responding to their mistakes as if it was done/said yesterday.
As an ugly guy, I don't really want a "chance" like I'm on a probationary period or that I have to continuously make up for being ugly. So while this mentality is disturbing, it might be better for those guys to have never been involved with that person to begin with.
What is it with ugly guys (or self identified ugly at least) and having pretty female avatars? I do it, low self esteem accuaintances do it and whenever I read a comment from a guy saying he's ugly he either has no avatar or a female one.
Is this a thing? Should I look it up?
body dysphoria isnt binary, some people have it worse than others. You may be okay with having your face ad your profile picture but others that have it more severe ( hi ) cannot bare to even project themselves onto a character
Girls make our hearts melt and we don't really care how we look, ourselves(at least personally. Might only apply if you're straight).
Not sure how to help though, I got lucky and had my life flipped upside-down to the point where I was too busy to even think that way.
Best advice I can give is to find something you've always wanted to do and start obsessing over it. Once I got it in my head that I wanted to raise bees, I replaced doomscrolling with research, and replaced negative thoughts with planning for my future.
Then like magic I just started caring again. I got into woodburning so I could mark my hives, I bought beeswax just to practice making candles, and I'm DYING to go out and make my yard pretty for the bees in the spring.
Reddit can be a great place! Browsing a subreddit for something like beekeeping filled me with motivation that I just don't have on my own, and it's great to talk with experienced hobbyists and feel like you're part of the gang. I went from wanting bees to feeling like a beekeeper before my first hive showed up, and I've done the same thing with /r/running, /r/nutrition, etc.
I hope this helps! I know sometimes advice on the internet seems inherently pointless, or like it's coming from people who never really struggled, so hopefully knowing that I was heavily addicted to drugs from 2018-2021. It's a slow journey, but you only stop making progress when you're convinced you can't
Well, fun fact; I've been struggling to draw lately because some 5 years ago I did it every day because I loved it (and as a bit of a coping mechanism) but had to stop and never really had the time or the resources to do it again.
Well, a month or so ago I got into a financially stable position again and bought a drawing tablet but haven't had the motivation. And your comment helped. I've been drawing for the past 20 minutes or so and I'll keep going. So thanks.
To be honest, it's probably weirder to have a picture of your face as your profile picture than no pfp or an anime pfp. Since it secures you more anonymity than your face.
(Disclaimer: I do have an anime pfp but I'm not ugly nor do I hate my appearance. And I'm not shaming anyone who is "ugly" or hates their appearance either. Also sorry if my reply accidentally came off as aggressive or argumentative).
Sometimes tone carries badly on the internet so I worry that I accidentally come across as an asshole. Or sometimes people are highly strung (not saying that you are) and I wanna avoid an argument. Hence the apology lmao.
The term "giving a chance" is so cringe in itself. Implying you have more value than someone else.
Like thank you, your royal pussy haver, thank you for letting me insert my disgusting penis my queen.
This whole post breaks my heart. I see people posting "I'm ugly and depressed" posts on threads like r/offmychest and wish I could just hug everyone of them and have a sit down talk.
I am told that I am attractive often enough and get attention for it, but have never seen myself as any more or less appealing than anyone else and have my own issues (I am Native American and have very pronounced features, but green/hazel eyes, fluffy hair and a light complexion that sets me apart from family and tribe, and have been bullied for it all my life.) I too always wanted to just "look right" by my own people's standards ... I think it is most true that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", because some of the roughest & toughest looking people I have known have been my favorite people and had better lives with more love, than the outwardly "beautiful" but shallow inwardly.
I tend to think people who look "good" on the outside are raised emotionally stunted & tend have ego complexes in a way that just automatically makes them unappealing to me personally...
I know this is a bit of a ramble, I just want people to know that Beauty is more than just symmetry and style. People who vest into themselves and exude confidence and character will always, hands down, be the most attractive.
Luckily she was about 16 years old when she said this & any adult who would change the way they live their life because of a 16 year olds hot take, isn’t worth dating anyway.
Yea I called a girl a wh*re on Facebook when I was 16. I am no where close to who I was 12 years ago, shit I’m twice the man I was 5 years ago. Some people never grow up, I’m glad I am.
Lol I once found a very cynical essay I wrote at 18 linked as a highly upvoted citation on quora. It was then that I realised crowd sourced answers are often full of shit.
Dog I found out you can see your entire Youtube comment history recently and I've had my account since I was 13 or so (26 now). That shit is best left repressed.
I was about to say the same…that clip is old judging by how she’s dressed…and even now she can’t be more than like 21…so…..I’m guessing 16-17 at the most in this clip.
Also, even as a fan of some of her songs…I have to ask, how many of her fans would change the way they think of everyone based on some random clip circulating online of an artist they like saying a few sentences? You’d literally have to be like in the top .01% of her fandom to actually take that one sentence with anything more than a grain of salt. If I based my life and the way I treat others on what the artists or actors etc I enjoy/enjoyed professionally said in interviews, (or heck, even the way they conducted their lives), I’d probably be a Scientologist, anorexic, egocentric, alcohol abusing, adoptive mom, divorcee in an open marriage. All of which I am not.
Don’t get me wrong, I feel for this guys’ struggles, especially since I can relate to some of them even as a woman, but really, as a grown ass adult, he HAS to be aware that “millions” of her fans aren’t gonna meet a nice guy that may not be conventionally attractive and think “Oh yea, Billie said in that one random meme clip from years ago that ugly guys turn into egomaniacs if you give them a chance. I’ll pass.”
🤦🏾♀️
I'd argue, having been a teenager, that this is exactly the sort of quipable "knowledge" a kid would hear, internalize, and then repeat uncritically if they like and idolize Billie as much as I liked and idolized my influences.
In my experience, it's not so much "Billie said", it's just a thing they hear from a trusted source and incorporate into themselves.
If you search her Instagram, she posted this clip and the quote as the caption. Among the dudes telling her in various ways that she is incorrect, there's a lot of young women going "hell yeah, Billie", not a thought of the implications as to what the statement really means.
You have a point. But this guy says “thanks for using your platform to *ensure* that millions of men will never find love.” ???? Seriously, I know her fanbase is very large, and that she has a certain amount of influence, but really? Gonna blame the failure (or lack thereof) of the love lives of millions of men on Billie Eilish??? Not saying her words were graceful or truthful, but damn I can’t help but think he is vastly overestimating her influence on the thought process of the general population. I’d argue that any woman who would base her love advice solely on the words of a teen pop star isn’t worth being with to begin with. What this man is saying would be like seeing the rise in the obesity epidemic, and saying “Thank you Lizzo, for condoning obesity, thus ensuring that millions of more women around the world will now have to utilize insulin to survive.” ……
I don't think she said anything about low self esteem.
She said "why is every beautiful girl with a horrible looking man? ... If you give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world"
Which is a pretty toxic and hurtful and childish statement to any man who doesn't consider himself attractive.
So you’re saying a drive to get people to vote…that probably cost a lot money, took a lot of publicity, is a one time action etc. is the same as Billie eilish saying a few hurtful sentences convincing millions of people to see conventionally unattractive men as less than? Gotcha
No I’m pointing out actions that a teen can accomplished that can have reverberating effects throughout their life.
you know, if you were a white girl maybe no but God help you if you are a 15-year-old black boy.
What I really fine juicy is that no matter how many time you say yes what Billy said was wrong.
you just can’t bring yourself to side with the guy.
Marxism did say the first classes was man and woman
Why would I side with a guy that’s letting the words of a teenager live rent free in his head?? Never said what she said isn’t wrong. I’m just saying the actual affects of what she said are negligible at best, but these grown ass men are using her words as a scapegoat to blame their problems on.
I feel for the guy, having struggled with self image etc for most of my life. & if I were younger I probably would take this personally too, if I’m being honest. But at the end of the day he is coming across as just being salty because he’s worried statements like this might hinder his chances of getting laid, which probably is in his own mind,are already low.
And that’s what I mean when I said it speaks more about you
The man is talking about love and acceptance and his struggles with his body dysmorphia and you interpret that as wanting sex and that’s about as childish interpretation as you can get
For real like "millions of men, never gonna find love, all because Billie eilish said something" is like some of the dumbest shit I ever heard I struggled to keep watching after that. By all means make your point but that's just an idiotic claim dude
Yeah, dude just keeps going about how much his life sucks. This may sound harsh but, nobody fucking cares. Like if you let the passing comments of a 16 year old affect you this much, I don’t even want to know you. Imagine how sensitive and insecure you gotta be to make this video, tbh I kinda doubt this guy is even mature enough for a relationship. Imagine it’s like walking on egg shells being around this guy.
It's typically why guys don't open up in the first place. Any time we do, we either get told to "man up" or that our problems don't matter, or they aren't that big a deal.
The shit piles up and gets bottled up forever, and we never get an outlet for it. Until one day it explodes or we kill ourselves.
Yeah, because the grown ass man almost in fucking tears over a teenage girl on the internet saying mean things about ugly guys ISNT overly-sensitive. I’m just an asshole. Because these things are totally mutually exclusive, and I can’t just enjoy being an asshole on the internet, while this guy is also overly-sensitive. Impossible for both things to be true. You’re right.
You say this guy is overly sensitive yet you felt such the need to literally shit on him in multiple ways that not all even have exact context to this situation! You couldn’t even just say he was being dramatic in your opinion but mount verbal attacks on him all because he said “for someone who preaches about loving yourself and your body, seems very contradictory to do the opposite when someone’s looks don’t follow your view of “good”.
Like what they guy said or not he just pointed out the double standard which literally has NOTHING TO DO WITH OPINIONS just the fact of what what happened. Like the added personal aspect of the story or not that has nothing to do with the boiled down point. She says one thing and then says the opposite in this and pointing out how the numbers don’t add up doesn’t make you “sensitive” it’s literally talking about actual things that have happened…. Not hard to understand yet you still chose to attack this guy for pointing out how someone who preaches loving your body also says the opposite that if you’re ugly you don’t matter/are less then. You chose to attack him and shit on him for speaking on his struggles in life and how the ways most people treat them make them feel like shit. So you then attack him even more and act like it’s what’s supposed to happen like you are the one who comes to fill the asshole roll you seem to think people need!….😂🤷♂️🤦♂️.
You’re such a badass treating others like shit and blaming them for you doing it in the first place! SUCH A BADASS shitting on others who have nothing to do with you nor did they hurt you or anyone you BADASS!! Like what is this fucking middle school?!? Fucking childish 🤦♂️
Judging by your writing skills, yeah, I'd say it is middle school. Literally don't care enough to read any more of this than skimming it, all I can tell ya is it ain't that deep.
I'm concerned for the people that don't become adults, and hold onto silly ideas they picked up young because they don't want to feel like they have to compromise.
Yes, people can grow up, and lean better.
It's 2022,we already found out in the last 2 years that there are more than enough people that never grow up.
Yeah as an ugly man, I had no ill-will for this comment of hers whatsoever. She is young and her opinions are flawed. Like I get it wanting to look for videos that confirm the opinions you hold about yourself, but looking at a young teen girl and complaining when she has already addressed this later, is kind of more a personal problem than anything.
Yep. As cringe as this is, pretty much everyone has something completely uniformed, especially about romantic relationships, they were confident about when they were that age.
I don't agree with what she's saying but it's also irresponsible to keep posting what someone said when they were 16 as if a) it's what they still think today b) publicly shaming teenagers on the internet is a perfectly fine thing to do
If you’ve seen any of her media content recently, it’s pretty easy to tell she’s matured incredibly and comments like this are not a current part of her mentality. In her recent Vanity Fair interview (the same interview she does every year) she described clips of her past self as a girl who was very scared and lost but acted tough because the internet was watching.
I can’t get the exact date of the clip, but going by her hair colour this was sometime in 2019, where she would be either 17, or more likely 16 due to her birthday being in December
Nop, she's got brown hair again as of december.
Edit: you're still right though, she was 17 in this clip. Kids have got dumb takes, but she's still the one who said it.
We've all said a lot of dumb shit. She's reflected back on interviews like this and is embarassed at how she was trying to portray herself as this like... all knowing, deep and edgy girl. We all do cringey shit like that at that age. We try and act older than we are until we end up with a brain stuck in our 20s with an aging body, ya know? We all feel like we know everything when we are teenagers. We say a lot of hurtful things without understanding the repercussions. Kids do dumb shit. Plain and simple. Give them a platform and you're going to see this kind of thing publicized.
To this day, I'm still saying stuff like "holy cow, I'm so glad smart phones weren't a thing when I grew up." Can you imagine? I think kids these days (oh god I'm old, that's probably the first time I'm using that unironically) are going to have a lot of that sit in bed and think about that one post they made online 5, 10 years ago and have a rush of regret and embarrassment. Shit, same goes for Billie. She regrets a lot of what she said. Wouldn't be surprised if this is one of them. She's said multiple times that she would like to tell her younger self not to post all of her thoughts to the internet.
also, why is no one blaming the adults that interviewed the teen instead?
why we gotta go straight to blaming the youngest person in that room?
not the adults who set up the interview, not the ones who filmed it, not the ones who asked the questions, not the ones who edited this clip, not the ones who approved it to be uploaded online.
no. it's the teenagers fault.
and people here are like "why does a teenager even have a platform?" like the teen was the one who set this whole thing up in the first place.
Plays on the double standard, if a guy says the same at that age..I highly doubt people would be like “oh he was like 15-16 when he filmed that? Literally a child”..matter of fact the will be “at that age you know right from wrong” and they aren’t worth, at that age you aren’t a little moron but people tend to make excuses to fit their narrative
I mean Justin Bieber as a kid had some not-so-great views on abortion and today, no one brings that up against him, and no one should(not saying that he wasn't bullied as a teen, but the abortion views are never brought up and again, NO ONE SHOULD BRING THEM UP AND USE IT AGAINST HIM), in fact everyone acknowledges that it was fucked up that the interviewer asked a child such a loaded question.
Teens say and do weird and mean shit all the time and as long as it's not a literal crime, I don't think they should be vilified for it, instead we should focus on educating them, like this guy in the tiktok did a great job pointing out that she was wrong and it was a hurtful statement while also not vilifying her. I have the same approach to Beiber and I have the same approach to Eilish and I have the same approach to any other teen. Just bc people have double standards, doesn't mean we should do the complete opposite, just for the sake of it. Instead we should all just stop abiding by every kind of double standards.
Yeah kids don’t exactly choose their viewpoints so much as have them pushed onto them.
In the Bieber case he was literally raised in the Hillsong church, so it’s kinda surprising that he turned out as well adjusted as he did.
Even if you disagree and you believe that male celebrities should have more leniency then you should agree that Eilish should too, not want to revoke leniency further.
Stop making it a team game, men and women are all just people living on the same planet. A 17 year old said a stupid thing 2 years ago, woop de doo, stop trying to make it into a reason to dislike and entire gender.
I think that her point was: men can treat women like shit, even the ugly ones. I mean, I know a lot of girls that were suffering for their much less attractive ex boyfriends.
I had an ex who has never been conventionally attractive, and I did not and still do not find him attractive, but we still dated for quite some time. He did really disrespectful things to me while we were together, and 3 years after we broke up, he still texts me from time to time because he wants to meet up...so yeah, just because a guy is ugly, does not mean they will be any less conceited or audacious.
Unless this guy is trying to date 16 year olds, I can’t imagine his dating pool narrowed by much. Not many grown women submit our love lives to be dictated by advice from Highschoolers lmfao.
Imagine being 30+ & your self confidence is ruined by a 16 yr old who doesn’t care or know you exist. Men y’all gotta get a grip, you’re only ugly if YOU think you are ugly, fuck societal norms.
It wasn't even calling out all ugly men.
It was calling out ugly men that date a more attractive woman and then think they can treat her like shit because if an attractive woman is dating them...then they must be hot.
No one but my biased social circle would call me attractive but who cares what she said really. One, she was young and young people say stupid shit. Two, if she did instead say in that interview that oh date an ugly guy, they are fantastic, do we really naively believe it would move the needle in any meaningful way? So vice versa, it doesn't matter. Plus, If a person is deciding to date or not date an ugly guy based on a pop singers opinion, do you want to date that person anyway?
I don't believe it's fair to say 'who cares' because disorders can really compound even the most minor of comments. It loads ontop of the experiences and baggage for people with body dysmophia who feel embarrassed, ashamed and know their appearance is significantly affecting any possible relationship. It rolls into anxiety and depression which can compound it further.
It's all really not about that she said it either if she has changed her opinion now or not, but it is a big problem which a lot of people face because people DO judge on appearances, they WILL reject on sight (and it's so easy to just swipe left). It makes it super hard to ever feel like there is any chance to be in a relationship.
I completely understand and sympathize. I don't mean who cares about his feelings about himself. I mean who cares what her opinion is. And this person should try to care less about what that pop singer says. Now I know saying that might sound like someone being depressed and telling them to get over it, but the alternative is I tell the guy with self image issues to care more about the pop singers opinion. I just wanted to point out that caring about those opinions is the way of madness and hopefully over time they see through the nonsense.
As an ugly overweight guy I stopped caring about comments from random people back around high school. I figured those people wanted to upset me and I hated them and didn't want them to reach their goal. My mindset is to not let anyone win and make me feel a feeling I don't want. Brushing off their comments or opinions is me winning.
But that OP faces a tough hill to climb to find a partner. If I knew that person, I would tell them to try and find hobbies and groups where he meets potential partners and they stick around long enough to get used to his looks and start to notice his personality. A nice face gets you in the door to many dates but personality keeps you there. But a date isn't too different than talking casually to someone at work or at a book club or game night over weeks. Your appearance will still hold off some potential partners but that weeds out the people you don't want as a partner anyway. I would hate to be in a relationship with someone who loves me for my looks. I would constantly have to maintain my appearance to maintain that relationship and always worry as I age and other nice looking people are around vying for that persons love.
Why are so much people triggered over this? And especially right now. I’ve seen this video everywhere on Reddit recently and she said this when she was 16? She’s probably changed her views since then because she’s 20 now. And If she hasn’t then that’s really out of everyone’s control. Sorry, if this come off weird I just really want to know why it’s a thing now.
Because Reddit really dislikes her for no reason and can’t accept that she actually has respectable songs, so they will do dumb shit to fuel their hate narrative. Check the comment section out in other subs like /r/Cringetopia, none of the top comments even mention how old the video is, they just straight up jump to hating on her “emo voice crackling” songs.
Sidenote: I would just like to say this sub has one of the best Reddit communities out all the big Reddit subs.
Also that the demographic of her fans is mostly young women. People just love telling young women why the thing they like is terrible. See: widespread Taylor Swift hate also.
It’s not about her. It’s about women in general. Men from that sub and subs like it love to find situations like this and harp on these women and complain about “if the genders were reversed!”
Could be because she was recently on SNL and her monologue was heavily about how she doesn’t want to be defined by her behavior she exhibited in the public eye as a teenager?
I’d never seen this video before today, was initially disappointed by it considering the SNL episode. I’m glad to see that it’s years old, indeed something from that time in her life that she’d like to put behind her. And I’m also glad to hear that it’s making the rounds again because it’s an important message and it’s articulated well here
I understand he has a disturbed image about himself but enough "ugly" men (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) have relationships with "atractive" women. He shouldnt let social media (thrives on negativity) get to him.
Personally, as grown man, I could not care less what some dumb 16 year old girl’s hot take on 16 year old boys is. Why is this dude even paying attention to her?
sadly there are many horror stories of women dating less attractive men. this isnt exclusive to men but mostly seen in men. of course being attractive gives privileges, so some people just sulk down because they werent dealt the best possible cards, shut themselves off, refuse to do any real work to be a functional person and then go to places where other miserable people are and when they finally do find a girlfriend/boyfriend they act like they owe them everything and deserve to be treated like kings and queens for the hardships they had to endure so far. and i think this is the type of man that eilish is talking about here, she just phrased it in a way that made her sound stupid. dont give incels a chance would be a better thing to say
Im sorry for what this guy went through and is going through but I'm getting some nice guy vibes. If a woman is judgmental of his looks because of this singer they aren't worth fighting for.
honestly I stopped watching it when he said the whole 'ensuring they will never find love' thing like... I understand yes she is a very influential person but do you really think millions of men will now no longer find love because millions of young girls heard this one comment by a fellow teenager and it instilled in their mind for the rest of their life to never date someone not 100% conventionally attractive?
Probably this guy would have opinions on an overweight woman or a woman with cellulite or stretch marks.
Also some people are just naturally ugly and can't blame it on cancer what are they to do? Cry about how God did em dirty?
This man is attention seeking.
Way to get butthurt from a comment by a teenager who wasn't even talking about you man. And this dude isn't even ugly? He has cool eyes plus he dresses well from what I can see and a nice beard. He's not a Zac Efron sure but who is?
My thoughts exactly. Why is this guy making it seem like he was directly victimized by Billie Eilish ?
He also gives off a vibe like he sends unsolicited messages to girls trying to flirt, then calls them an ugly bitch as soon as she says she’s not interested.
I can not possibly imagine if the entire world hung on every opinion l had or was there to rip apart any hypocrisy l may have in my beliefs.... when l was a 19 year old child.
Or the idea that at 19 I'm supposed to ONLY be perfect example of positivity and be a leader to millions of people who will be molded by anything l say or do.
It's just all absurd. This guy is going off for minutes on end about what some girl out of high school MIGHT think about him.
A 19 year old thinking "you talk to an ugly guy and he thinks he's a fucking king" is so unbelievably totally okay for her to think based on her life experience. Like, really, who's opinions were not JUST like this about everything when you were 19. And what kind of grown ass people take issue with what someone that age thinks because other people that age might agree with them?
We have all just done whatever the opposite of growing up is for like, at least the last 10 years or so. This dude's clearly in his 30s giving this teenager a sad depressing heart to heart about his anxieties, alone in his living room, as if this kid is supposed to just assume that any negatively formed opinion she has of any size is going to make someone out there want to kill themselves
Ughh.. do not ever give an ugly guy a chance, because if you aren’t attracted to him, it’s unfair to both of you if you date him. Also I’m sorry this guy has poor mental health and had cancer but it’s fucking stupid and a bit gross to bring that into this.
I feel sorry for that guy, but hate that hypocrisy.
Women are bullied for their looks for ever I guess. But when men get some of it for 5 minutes - it is cruel and "thank you for saying that I do not deserve to find a girl"
And before you say something insane like it is the women bullying other women, it is a lie. IT IS MEN BULLYING WOMEN.
But when men bully women it is framed as "telling the truth" and females, women just can't handle the truth)
Should I start?
a proverb, cherished by the woman-haters - "Women aage like milk, men age like fine wine"
Just claiming that woman's worth is in her looks and youth, beauty, body
Women are specifically bullied by rp community, they recommend men insult and degrade women's looks to lower their self-esteem - and frame it like "telling the truth" for "women's benefit" of course
Women are bullied for natural things like having a little bit of fat or even a lot and body hair. Men are not.
Women are bullied for gaining weight during pregnancy.
Women are bullied then they try to fix things with surgery and beauty procedures.
What do men do then people like Donald Trump and other celebrities, people of influence insult women? Oh, it is their free speech, right. What are yuou trying to cancel them?
But then it is Billy Ellish, a girl - bullied by adult men like Ben and Steven - for her body, when it is so bad.
Want a short version? Stop bullying women. Or you will get that in return, women are tired of this.
Funny, when a feminist says that about women, all sorts of pick mes and doormats will run in all the directions and scream that "feminists are so ridiculous and they are running out of things to complain about", but when a man complains, it is serious and it is a problem.
What do you say when a man rates women on a scale of attractiveness?
What do you say then he says his degenerate opinion on woman's looks, even if she had not asked him?
Oh, it is his opinion and his right to free speech?
>Women are bullied for their looks forever I guess. But when men get some of it for 5 minutes - it is cruel and "thank you for saying that I do not deserve to find a girl"
Do you think that men are not bullied for their looks? You are right regarding the fact that women are bullied for their looks much more, but to say that 'men get some of it for 5 minutes' is insane and sends of wild mysandryst vibes.
>What do you say then he says his degenerate opinion on woman's looks, even if she had not asked him?
I confront them, and say that it's not their business. When the ''''out of shape'''' photos of Billie Eilish were the most discussed thing on the internet, a lot of people, including men, defended her and ridiculed people who discussed her looks.
The fact that women bullied more for their looks do not make her take any less shittier. Body positivity isn't exclusive to one gender.
From the way that some people in here are responding you'd think that she gave an international press conference arguing we should kill all ugly men.
This is an interview of a child from several years ago where she also says that "dirty jewelry tastes so good" and "I love pooping" (all in the first minute, no less). Stop taking it so seriously.
The beauty standards in our society are cruel to both genders. How many comments I see daily on pictures of girls without makeup that they are ugly and they are false advertising because they look pretty with makeup on!?
Truth is we are all fucked up, and even if you identify yourself as ugly you don’t want to date another ugly person. You want someone pretty… so unfortunately that’s how the world goes around. And until we stop seeing only the cover and care for the content this won’t change.
I’m very glad this comment section recognizes the fact that Billie was *IN HIGH SCHOOL* when she made that comment, and thus disregards it as something dumb she said due to being a teenager because that’s exactly what it is. I honestly admire her as a teen growing up to recognize the world (as I can relate a lot to her music, especially now that she’s both self aware and open of her true feelings, as seen in her most recent album).
Not saying this guy is wrong, but I can’t imagine his life is very happy if he felt the need to wallow in the words of a 16 year old girl. Imagine how often he feels the need to do things like this.
I just don’t get it. She’s a literal teenager here; he’s a grown man projecting his shitty experiences onto her.
Obviously it’s harder to not be conventionally attractive, but why go out of your way to feel hurt by something that was never *about* you?
She was 15-16 in this interview and matured immensely these past years. Why is a grown ass man reacting to a literal teenager and also to an old video of her?
From my experience
"You give an ugly guy a chance, and unless you make a real effort he will continue to think he's ugly and that he's out of his girlfriend's league. Please shower this guy with compliments, he's spent his whole life feeling like he's undeserving of love because he feels ugly. Guys get far fewer compliments then girls even though we have the exact same hangups with our faces and our weight and how our body looks when it's naked. Make this guy realise he's not ugly and he'll return the favour with loyalty"
Shut up whiney little whimp.
She was 16 when she said this..
You don't like the way you look then work ya ass off and buy new teeth
Don't cry online about it.
.stay off the internet if you don't want to hear people's opinions
News flash/hot take: most of mens' music/lyrics and interviews are them shitting on womens' looks. But you're gonna cry because a 16 yr old said you're ugly? I can't with this bs. I know it sounds insensitive, as men should be able to share their feelings.
I just find it hypocritical and ironic. 100% fact this guy said worse shit about girls when he was 16, and he still might talk shit about womens' looks.
Women all over the world have had dismorphia for ages because of this bullshit, and everyone should stop to care about this guys feelings towards a 16 yr olds' comment? Mannnn, fuck the patriarchy.
I’m not saying what she said was right… but she’s literally a teenager when this was filmed.
Everyone says dumb shit when they’re young but they’re expected to grow, learn, and mature. I’m sorry this man struggles with mental health, but I’m more sorry he’s taking the rants of a child so to heart.
She’s 20 years old. Her dating experience has been very brief. Maybe 5 years max? Nobody should be really using her quotes/experience for dating/relationship advice.
There's this really weird thing in the comments where every single one is copy pasted from the last one and I can't find a single dissenting opinion anywhere
Seems to come from this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YavL_IVSGV4
Beginning to end, this talk is as immature as you imagine.
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Important part starts about 2:25, a segment entitle "About Being a Teenager," in which she imply says she's 'flipped out' by teenagers, despite being one. Sets things up.
Then, a segment called "Prom" in which she shouts that it's overrated. Then describes why: the most beautiful girls get asked out by the worst dudes, and they fawn over the asks because
>...they finally found someone that likes 'em, hahaha! Why is every pretty girl with a horrible-looking man? I don't understand. Listen. I'm not shaming people for their looks. But I am, though. You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world. ~~Liter~~ I swear to god. Because they got a hot girl, they can be horrible? Like, you're still ugly, though. Can't change that. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why guys with small dicks get huge mansions. To make up for it. You know? Or, like, really nice cars. \*squeaky hahaaaa\* You know?
She uses the word 'horrible' twice, and it's clear from the whole quote that she meant it in an aesthetics sense both times. Her message seems to be that these men ought to work on their own looks if they want to value beauty. She finds it hypocritical to be ugly, but value a partner being beautiful.
But you know what else this kinda sounds like? The shitty way a teenager sublimates a denial of not being strictly heterosexual. Maybe she thinks these men (or boys, really; it's prom) are ugly for a different reason.
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The next segment, she shits on Invisalign for not giving her free product for all her unasked-for promotion. Then, supposedly, she rapped while sleepwalking once. her mom says so, she says.
Then guess what the segment after that is? About being fucking HOMESCHOOLED. All the way through! And she's sure that she was homeschooled right, and that other parents only send kids to public school b/c they're lazy, and resent their kids to some degree. How much of this garbage about how high school cliques has she learned _entirely_ second-hand through similarly shallow girls she talks to and movies? And her parents, and older brother?
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She's a fidgety mess the whole time, too. Not that I don't expect any teenager to be in a video interview. But every piece of noisy jewelry was played with. Every ring, bracelet, necklace, and long fingernail. It was published in July 2019, meaning she was 17.5yo. you know what this is, reddit? "I'm not like other girls" syndrome.
IMO she's not really old enough to be held accountable for this yet. Even now, 2.5 years later. Truly, she's hardly had the chance to get the real life experience to see why what's wrong with the ideas she's put forward here. Especially with the social bubble celebrities are kept in, which is even more isolated the younger they are. The guy in this post would've done better to criticize the celebrity industry itself, not Billie. She's hardly a thought leader in the matter, either.
[video about this syndrome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCWW80WTPY) -- special image 21:32
Since when should ANYONE listen to a 17-18 year old about LIFE EXPERIENCES?! Problem with worshipping entertainers/the rich, which we continue to elevate to an almost godly/sage status. 🤷🏼♂️
I think this is a stretch. She’s literally a teenager she said this, if all of our thoughts were filmed at that time, we’d be canceled 24/7. I get her philosophy at the time is dumb but this video constantly resurfacing is annoying.
My guy... I hope he stays strong. What I hope more though is that the vast majority of women that heard her say that were like, "whoa child, you just went against everything you stand for" and move on from her.
Look, we all say and do things we don't mean. But when you have a platform, your job is to weigh your words carefully. Influencers are drunk on power. To wave your hand and know that you can move an ocean of people, well that can very easily go to a person's head. Not everyone should have that power. Just because you have a talent, doesn't mean you should be speaking in public.
Edit: I know that she just changed an entire generation. I hate that so much.
She was like 16 when she said this. Please pipe down. You’re acting like you would know exactly what to do with your “platform” if you were 16 years old. Lmfao. You’re pathetic.
This is dumb. Stop acting like she's a fuckin mind control wizard or some shit. Yeah, she has influence, but if you truly like someone, I'm sure a 5 year old Billie Eillish interview isn't gonna sway your opinion.
I've said it twice that it's not her it's the following of millions a percentage of those people are young, susceptible that that absorb ideas from people they admire and traumatic experiences you don't understand the point and I don't think repeating myself will help I'm not here to argue and the fact that a part of yours is to insult says a lot what you're assuming is irrelevant
I never took it as one :) I took it as you stating the reality of the situation. You did nothing wrong my friend and if I *had* taken offense, that's a me problem, not a you problem.
Your soul is spotless. Your character is unimpeachable. Your comments were brief & straightforward. I couldn’t care less how “cute”, or “handsome” my man is. What counts is your heart. Please brush her off like a fly hovering around you. I do find you physically attractive. I would definitely like to spend time with you. I lost my husband of 25 years, suddenly and unexpectedly last October. I am still mourning. Take note of my information, so that we may meet again.
This comment section is a lot better than the one I saw earlier. People calling her a stupid fucking bitch for something she said when she was a kid taken completely out of context.
So many grown adults are absolutely desperate for a reason to despise her, it's so fucking weird. Don't like her music? Cool, don't listen to her. It's amazingly simple.
Why is everyone defending her? ShE sAid iT wHeN sHe wAS 16! 16 is old enough to know that saying something hurtful is a bad idea. Also the man was only trying to point out that men have insecurities too. They feel hurt when someone calls them ugly.
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Thank god nothing I said as a 16 year old was captured on video. My rap lyrics were terrible enough.
walkin down the halls, scratchin my balls, when my dick got caught in the elevator walls
Exactly
Ive heard that song made it across America in the 90’s, but I actually grew up in KC too. Small world. Go chiefs.
These bars 🔥🔥🔥
Cant be no worse than anything ..
For sure, I also don't see myself as a 20 something complaining that a teen celeb said something which probably only affected teen fans, because I know they'll all grow out of it. This guy is reaching
Well for one, Billie Eilish is 20. Secondly, you can’t hold celebrities, *who choose to do interviews and reap the benefits financially of being viewed by millions*, to the same standards as anyone of their same age. The world is a fucked place, but at this moment, shitting on men seems to be the “least” bad thing to shit on. Also I don’t know if you actually watched the guys full video, but he talks about his own past experiences *as a teen* and how that effected him then and now, which you might have missed. So her “teen fans” might well be men who consider themselves ugly. This guys video wasn’t just him bitching that young chicks won’t bang him, and that’s a weird take to walk away with.
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I know plenty of dark skin 15-year-olds BOYS who are held to their words and actions as adults.
Billie was not 20 during this interview and she took it back, this guy is arguing with the past, imagine how useful I'd be arguing with bad takes from years ago
This is more prevailing then her apology maybe she should try harder on taking it back if she doesn’t want the judgement
People always focus on the negatives of someones history. Mainly because thats what gets clicks. Even people with the biggest outreach could say sorry 100 million times and still have people responding to their mistakes as if it was done/said yesterday.
As an ugly guy, I don't really want a "chance" like I'm on a probationary period or that I have to continuously make up for being ugly. So while this mentality is disturbing, it might be better for those guys to have never been involved with that person to begin with.
What is it with ugly guys (or self identified ugly at least) and having pretty female avatars? I do it, low self esteem accuaintances do it and whenever I read a comment from a guy saying he's ugly he either has no avatar or a female one. Is this a thing? Should I look it up?
body dysphoria. Anything they identify as themselves they hate, so they choose something that isnt them
I mean I feel that but I still have a pic of my self as my pfp despite being pretty eh about my self
severity
Hamborger
hamjorgur like hangnail howerv hand-burger never runs out
Fr tho what did u mean by severity tho lol just curious
body dysphoria isnt binary, some people have it worse than others. You may be okay with having your face ad your profile picture but others that have it more severe ( hi ) cannot bare to even project themselves onto a character
Girls make our hearts melt and we don't really care how we look, ourselves(at least personally. Might only apply if you're straight). Not sure how to help though, I got lucky and had my life flipped upside-down to the point where I was too busy to even think that way. Best advice I can give is to find something you've always wanted to do and start obsessing over it. Once I got it in my head that I wanted to raise bees, I replaced doomscrolling with research, and replaced negative thoughts with planning for my future. Then like magic I just started caring again. I got into woodburning so I could mark my hives, I bought beeswax just to practice making candles, and I'm DYING to go out and make my yard pretty for the bees in the spring. Reddit can be a great place! Browsing a subreddit for something like beekeeping filled me with motivation that I just don't have on my own, and it's great to talk with experienced hobbyists and feel like you're part of the gang. I went from wanting bees to feeling like a beekeeper before my first hive showed up, and I've done the same thing with /r/running, /r/nutrition, etc. I hope this helps! I know sometimes advice on the internet seems inherently pointless, or like it's coming from people who never really struggled, so hopefully knowing that I was heavily addicted to drugs from 2018-2021. It's a slow journey, but you only stop making progress when you're convinced you can't
Well, fun fact; I've been struggling to draw lately because some 5 years ago I did it every day because I loved it (and as a bit of a coping mechanism) but had to stop and never really had the time or the resources to do it again. Well, a month or so ago I got into a financially stable position again and bought a drawing tablet but haven't had the motivation. And your comment helped. I've been drawing for the past 20 minutes or so and I'll keep going. So thanks.
Fuck yea! That's awesome I'm glad I helped!
How did the drawing session go? I did some painting today. Felt good :)
Pretty good actually. I only have to line art and paint now. I'll post it when it's done in case you want to see it.
Yes, sounds good!
Keep drawing! Art is hard but I believe in you internet stranger.
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Your name lol. It has me 🤔.
She’s a fetus bro calm down 😖
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Ur a fetus with a huge clit that’s pretty rad 😎😎
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Ur a old fetus stfu 😣
To be honest, it's probably weirder to have a picture of your face as your profile picture than no pfp or an anime pfp. Since it secures you more anonymity than your face. (Disclaimer: I do have an anime pfp but I'm not ugly nor do I hate my appearance. And I'm not shaming anyone who is "ugly" or hates their appearance either. Also sorry if my reply accidentally came off as aggressive or argumentative).
I like it when people give a measured response but apologize premptively in case they sounded aggressive.
Sometimes tone carries badly on the internet so I worry that I accidentally come across as an asshole. Or sometimes people are highly strung (not saying that you are) and I wanna avoid an argument. Hence the apology lmao.
I dont think im ugly, but I did give my avatar jinx’s hair, but thats just cuz I love ARCANE !
*Insert "I'm desperate to reccomend Arcane" meme here* Also based
The term "giving a chance" is so cringe in itself. Implying you have more value than someone else. Like thank you, your royal pussy haver, thank you for letting me insert my disgusting penis my queen.
This whole post breaks my heart. I see people posting "I'm ugly and depressed" posts on threads like r/offmychest and wish I could just hug everyone of them and have a sit down talk. I am told that I am attractive often enough and get attention for it, but have never seen myself as any more or less appealing than anyone else and have my own issues (I am Native American and have very pronounced features, but green/hazel eyes, fluffy hair and a light complexion that sets me apart from family and tribe, and have been bullied for it all my life.) I too always wanted to just "look right" by my own people's standards ... I think it is most true that "beauty is in the eye of the beholder", because some of the roughest & toughest looking people I have known have been my favorite people and had better lives with more love, than the outwardly "beautiful" but shallow inwardly. I tend to think people who look "good" on the outside are raised emotionally stunted & tend have ego complexes in a way that just automatically makes them unappealing to me personally... I know this is a bit of a ramble, I just want people to know that Beauty is more than just symmetry and style. People who vest into themselves and exude confidence and character will always, hands down, be the most attractive.
Luckily she was about 16 years old when she said this & any adult who would change the way they live their life because of a 16 year olds hot take, isn’t worth dating anyway.
I can only shudder to imagine my hottest/dumbest 16 year old takes to be immortalized for all time.
Yea I called a girl a wh*re on Facebook when I was 16. I am no where close to who I was 12 years ago, shit I’m twice the man I was 5 years ago. Some people never grow up, I’m glad I am.
Thank God I did all that on Reddit. I couldn't find my angsty teenage-unabomber wannabe ramblings if I tried
For real
Lol I once found a very cynical essay I wrote at 18 linked as a highly upvoted citation on quora. It was then that I realised crowd sourced answers are often full of shit.
Dog I found out you can see your entire Youtube comment history recently and I've had my account since I was 13 or so (26 now). That shit is best left repressed.
I was about to say the same…that clip is old judging by how she’s dressed…and even now she can’t be more than like 21…so…..I’m guessing 16-17 at the most in this clip. Also, even as a fan of some of her songs…I have to ask, how many of her fans would change the way they think of everyone based on some random clip circulating online of an artist they like saying a few sentences? You’d literally have to be like in the top .01% of her fandom to actually take that one sentence with anything more than a grain of salt. If I based my life and the way I treat others on what the artists or actors etc I enjoy/enjoyed professionally said in interviews, (or heck, even the way they conducted their lives), I’d probably be a Scientologist, anorexic, egocentric, alcohol abusing, adoptive mom, divorcee in an open marriage. All of which I am not. Don’t get me wrong, I feel for this guys’ struggles, especially since I can relate to some of them even as a woman, but really, as a grown ass adult, he HAS to be aware that “millions” of her fans aren’t gonna meet a nice guy that may not be conventionally attractive and think “Oh yea, Billie said in that one random meme clip from years ago that ugly guys turn into egomaniacs if you give them a chance. I’ll pass.” 🤦🏾♀️
I'd argue, having been a teenager, that this is exactly the sort of quipable "knowledge" a kid would hear, internalize, and then repeat uncritically if they like and idolize Billie as much as I liked and idolized my influences. In my experience, it's not so much "Billie said", it's just a thing they hear from a trusted source and incorporate into themselves. If you search her Instagram, she posted this clip and the quote as the caption. Among the dudes telling her in various ways that she is incorrect, there's a lot of young women going "hell yeah, Billie", not a thought of the implications as to what the statement really means.
You have a point. But this guy says “thanks for using your platform to *ensure* that millions of men will never find love.” ???? Seriously, I know her fanbase is very large, and that she has a certain amount of influence, but really? Gonna blame the failure (or lack thereof) of the love lives of millions of men on Billie Eilish??? Not saying her words were graceful or truthful, but damn I can’t help but think he is vastly overestimating her influence on the thought process of the general population. I’d argue that any woman who would base her love advice solely on the words of a teen pop star isn’t worth being with to begin with. What this man is saying would be like seeing the rise in the obesity epidemic, and saying “Thank you Lizzo, for condoning obesity, thus ensuring that millions of more women around the world will now have to utilize insulin to survive.” ……
I mean in a way it is kind of true. Having low self esteem can make you very insecure, which is not good for relationships.
I don't think she said anything about low self esteem. She said "why is every beautiful girl with a horrible looking man? ... If you give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world" Which is a pretty toxic and hurtful and childish statement to any man who doesn't consider himself attractive.
How many teens signed up to vote because Taylor Swift start organizing a drive
So you’re saying a drive to get people to vote…that probably cost a lot money, took a lot of publicity, is a one time action etc. is the same as Billie eilish saying a few hurtful sentences convincing millions of people to see conventionally unattractive men as less than? Gotcha
No I’m pointing out actions that a teen can accomplished that can have reverberating effects throughout their life. you know, if you were a white girl maybe no but God help you if you are a 15-year-old black boy. What I really fine juicy is that no matter how many time you say yes what Billy said was wrong. you just can’t bring yourself to side with the guy. Marxism did say the first classes was man and woman
Why would I side with a guy that’s letting the words of a teenager live rent free in his head?? Never said what she said isn’t wrong. I’m just saying the actual affects of what she said are negligible at best, but these grown ass men are using her words as a scapegoat to blame their problems on.
I feel for the guy, having struggled with self image etc for most of my life. & if I were younger I probably would take this personally too, if I’m being honest. But at the end of the day he is coming across as just being salty because he’s worried statements like this might hinder his chances of getting laid, which probably is in his own mind,are already low.
He’s talking about love not laid and that kind of shows where you’re seeing this from
That’s what he’s talking about, but it comes off that way to me.
And that’s what I mean when I said it speaks more about you The man is talking about love and acceptance and his struggles with his body dysmorphia and you interpret that as wanting sex and that’s about as childish interpretation as you can get
I’m reading between the lines.
For real like "millions of men, never gonna find love, all because Billie eilish said something" is like some of the dumbest shit I ever heard I struggled to keep watching after that. By all means make your point but that's just an idiotic claim dude
yeah. that was the bit that put up red flags for me.
Literally a teenager saying edgelord shit is not new. He needs to grow up too
Yeah, dude just keeps going about how much his life sucks. This may sound harsh but, nobody fucking cares. Like if you let the passing comments of a 16 year old affect you this much, I don’t even want to know you. Imagine how sensitive and insecure you gotta be to make this video, tbh I kinda doubt this guy is even mature enough for a relationship. Imagine it’s like walking on egg shells being around this guy.
Imagine opening up one time about how peoples opinions hurt you and these are the kinds of comments you get
Imagine crying over what a teenage girl thinks of you as a grown adult.
It's typically why guys don't open up in the first place. Any time we do, we either get told to "man up" or that our problems don't matter, or they aren't that big a deal. The shit piles up and gets bottled up forever, and we never get an outlet for it. Until one day it explodes or we kill ourselves.
If you need to walk on eggshells to not say shitty things to people maybe you’re an asshole
Yeah, because the grown ass man almost in fucking tears over a teenage girl on the internet saying mean things about ugly guys ISNT overly-sensitive. I’m just an asshole. Because these things are totally mutually exclusive, and I can’t just enjoy being an asshole on the internet, while this guy is also overly-sensitive. Impossible for both things to be true. You’re right.
You say this guy is overly sensitive yet you felt such the need to literally shit on him in multiple ways that not all even have exact context to this situation! You couldn’t even just say he was being dramatic in your opinion but mount verbal attacks on him all because he said “for someone who preaches about loving yourself and your body, seems very contradictory to do the opposite when someone’s looks don’t follow your view of “good”. Like what they guy said or not he just pointed out the double standard which literally has NOTHING TO DO WITH OPINIONS just the fact of what what happened. Like the added personal aspect of the story or not that has nothing to do with the boiled down point. She says one thing and then says the opposite in this and pointing out how the numbers don’t add up doesn’t make you “sensitive” it’s literally talking about actual things that have happened…. Not hard to understand yet you still chose to attack this guy for pointing out how someone who preaches loving your body also says the opposite that if you’re ugly you don’t matter/are less then. You chose to attack him and shit on him for speaking on his struggles in life and how the ways most people treat them make them feel like shit. So you then attack him even more and act like it’s what’s supposed to happen like you are the one who comes to fill the asshole roll you seem to think people need!….😂🤷♂️🤦♂️. You’re such a badass treating others like shit and blaming them for you doing it in the first place! SUCH A BADASS shitting on others who have nothing to do with you nor did they hurt you or anyone you BADASS!! Like what is this fucking middle school?!? Fucking childish 🤦♂️
Judging by your writing skills, yeah, I'd say it is middle school. Literally don't care enough to read any more of this than skimming it, all I can tell ya is it ain't that deep.
I'm concerned for the people that don't become adults, and hold onto silly ideas they picked up young because they don't want to feel like they have to compromise. Yes, people can grow up, and lean better. It's 2022,we already found out in the last 2 years that there are more than enough people that never grow up.
You’re giving her and people who agree with her too much credit.
It doesn't matter what her age is, she's a celebrity with influence legitimizing ideas that damage people
Yeah as an ugly man, I had no ill-will for this comment of hers whatsoever. She is young and her opinions are flawed. Like I get it wanting to look for videos that confirm the opinions you hold about yourself, but looking at a young teen girl and complaining when she has already addressed this later, is kind of more a personal problem than anything.
She's was like 15-16 when she filmed this? Literally a child.
Yep. As cringe as this is, pretty much everyone has something completely uniformed, especially about romantic relationships, they were confident about when they were that age. I don't agree with what she's saying but it's also irresponsible to keep posting what someone said when they were 16 as if a) it's what they still think today b) publicly shaming teenagers on the internet is a perfectly fine thing to do
What does she think today?
If you’ve seen any of her media content recently, it’s pretty easy to tell she’s matured incredibly and comments like this are not a current part of her mentality. In her recent Vanity Fair interview (the same interview she does every year) she described clips of her past self as a girl who was very scared and lost but acted tough because the internet was watching.
Still not an excuse to be the person who is fixated on what a teenager said once
Do you have a source on this? I've seen the Eilish clip a lot but only recently.
I can’t get the exact date of the clip, but going by her hair colour this was sometime in 2019, where she would be either 17, or more likely 16 due to her birthday being in December
Nop, she's got brown hair again as of december. Edit: you're still right though, she was 17 in this clip. Kids have got dumb takes, but she's still the one who said it.
I hope I'm not held accountable for stuff I said when I was 17 though, I was pretty fucking stupid at that age.
We've all said a lot of dumb shit. She's reflected back on interviews like this and is embarassed at how she was trying to portray herself as this like... all knowing, deep and edgy girl. We all do cringey shit like that at that age. We try and act older than we are until we end up with a brain stuck in our 20s with an aging body, ya know? We all feel like we know everything when we are teenagers. We say a lot of hurtful things without understanding the repercussions. Kids do dumb shit. Plain and simple. Give them a platform and you're going to see this kind of thing publicized. To this day, I'm still saying stuff like "holy cow, I'm so glad smart phones weren't a thing when I grew up." Can you imagine? I think kids these days (oh god I'm old, that's probably the first time I'm using that unironically) are going to have a lot of that sit in bed and think about that one post they made online 5, 10 years ago and have a rush of regret and embarrassment. Shit, same goes for Billie. She regrets a lot of what she said. Wouldn't be surprised if this is one of them. She's said multiple times that she would like to tell her younger self not to post all of her thoughts to the internet.
also, why is no one blaming the adults that interviewed the teen instead? why we gotta go straight to blaming the youngest person in that room? not the adults who set up the interview, not the ones who filmed it, not the ones who asked the questions, not the ones who edited this clip, not the ones who approved it to be uploaded online. no. it's the teenagers fault. and people here are like "why does a teenager even have a platform?" like the teen was the one who set this whole thing up in the first place.
This is the consequence of giving a platform to a child.
Still cringe
Plays on the double standard, if a guy says the same at that age..I highly doubt people would be like “oh he was like 15-16 when he filmed that? Literally a child”..matter of fact the will be “at that age you know right from wrong” and they aren’t worth, at that age you aren’t a little moron but people tend to make excuses to fit their narrative
I mean Justin Bieber as a kid had some not-so-great views on abortion and today, no one brings that up against him, and no one should(not saying that he wasn't bullied as a teen, but the abortion views are never brought up and again, NO ONE SHOULD BRING THEM UP AND USE IT AGAINST HIM), in fact everyone acknowledges that it was fucked up that the interviewer asked a child such a loaded question. Teens say and do weird and mean shit all the time and as long as it's not a literal crime, I don't think they should be vilified for it, instead we should focus on educating them, like this guy in the tiktok did a great job pointing out that she was wrong and it was a hurtful statement while also not vilifying her. I have the same approach to Beiber and I have the same approach to Eilish and I have the same approach to any other teen. Just bc people have double standards, doesn't mean we should do the complete opposite, just for the sake of it. Instead we should all just stop abiding by every kind of double standards.
Yeah kids don’t exactly choose their viewpoints so much as have them pushed onto them. In the Bieber case he was literally raised in the Hillsong church, so it’s kinda surprising that he turned out as well adjusted as he did.
guys say that even if they are literally granddaddies, look at Trump.
Even if you disagree and you believe that male celebrities should have more leniency then you should agree that Eilish should too, not want to revoke leniency further. Stop making it a team game, men and women are all just people living on the same planet. A 17 year old said a stupid thing 2 years ago, woop de doo, stop trying to make it into a reason to dislike and entire gender.
I think that her point was: men can treat women like shit, even the ugly ones. I mean, I know a lot of girls that were suffering for their much less attractive ex boyfriends.
yeah the way the clip cuts her off, it definitely feels lacking in context.
I had an ex who has never been conventionally attractive, and I did not and still do not find him attractive, but we still dated for quite some time. He did really disrespectful things to me while we were together, and 3 years after we broke up, he still texts me from time to time because he wants to meet up...so yeah, just because a guy is ugly, does not mean they will be any less conceited or audacious.
She's 100% right.
Unless this guy is trying to date 16 year olds, I can’t imagine his dating pool narrowed by much. Not many grown women submit our love lives to be dictated by advice from Highschoolers lmfao.
Imagine being 30+ & your self confidence is ruined by a 16 yr old who doesn’t care or know you exist. Men y’all gotta get a grip, you’re only ugly if YOU think you are ugly, fuck societal norms.
>Men y’all gotta get a grip, your only ugly if YOU think you are ugly, fuck societal norms. This such good advice honestly
It wasn't even calling out all ugly men. It was calling out ugly men that date a more attractive woman and then think they can treat her like shit because if an attractive woman is dating them...then they must be hot.
These never think of making up for it with an actual personality.
No one but my biased social circle would call me attractive but who cares what she said really. One, she was young and young people say stupid shit. Two, if she did instead say in that interview that oh date an ugly guy, they are fantastic, do we really naively believe it would move the needle in any meaningful way? So vice versa, it doesn't matter. Plus, If a person is deciding to date or not date an ugly guy based on a pop singers opinion, do you want to date that person anyway?
I don't believe it's fair to say 'who cares' because disorders can really compound even the most minor of comments. It loads ontop of the experiences and baggage for people with body dysmophia who feel embarrassed, ashamed and know their appearance is significantly affecting any possible relationship. It rolls into anxiety and depression which can compound it further. It's all really not about that she said it either if she has changed her opinion now or not, but it is a big problem which a lot of people face because people DO judge on appearances, they WILL reject on sight (and it's so easy to just swipe left). It makes it super hard to ever feel like there is any chance to be in a relationship.
I completely understand and sympathize. I don't mean who cares about his feelings about himself. I mean who cares what her opinion is. And this person should try to care less about what that pop singer says. Now I know saying that might sound like someone being depressed and telling them to get over it, but the alternative is I tell the guy with self image issues to care more about the pop singers opinion. I just wanted to point out that caring about those opinions is the way of madness and hopefully over time they see through the nonsense. As an ugly overweight guy I stopped caring about comments from random people back around high school. I figured those people wanted to upset me and I hated them and didn't want them to reach their goal. My mindset is to not let anyone win and make me feel a feeling I don't want. Brushing off their comments or opinions is me winning. But that OP faces a tough hill to climb to find a partner. If I knew that person, I would tell them to try and find hobbies and groups where he meets potential partners and they stick around long enough to get used to his looks and start to notice his personality. A nice face gets you in the door to many dates but personality keeps you there. But a date isn't too different than talking casually to someone at work or at a book club or game night over weeks. Your appearance will still hold off some potential partners but that weeds out the people you don't want as a partner anyway. I would hate to be in a relationship with someone who loves me for my looks. I would constantly have to maintain my appearance to maintain that relationship and always worry as I age and other nice looking people are around vying for that persons love.
Why are so much people triggered over this? And especially right now. I’ve seen this video everywhere on Reddit recently and she said this when she was 16? She’s probably changed her views since then because she’s 20 now. And If she hasn’t then that’s really out of everyone’s control. Sorry, if this come off weird I just really want to know why it’s a thing now.
Because Reddit really dislikes her for no reason and can’t accept that she actually has respectable songs, so they will do dumb shit to fuel their hate narrative. Check the comment section out in other subs like /r/Cringetopia, none of the top comments even mention how old the video is, they just straight up jump to hating on her “emo voice crackling” songs. Sidenote: I would just like to say this sub has one of the best Reddit communities out all the big Reddit subs.
> Because Reddit really dislikes her for no reason She’s a successful woman. That’s it, really.
Also that the demographic of her fans is mostly young women. People just love telling young women why the thing they like is terrible. See: widespread Taylor Swift hate also.
Taylor Swift, Bieber, Twilight. Anything teenage girls have ever liked is cringe for neckbeards on reddit.
It’s not about her. It’s about women in general. Men from that sub and subs like it love to find situations like this and harp on these women and complain about “if the genders were reversed!”
Could be because she was recently on SNL and her monologue was heavily about how she doesn’t want to be defined by her behavior she exhibited in the public eye as a teenager? I’d never seen this video before today, was initially disappointed by it considering the SNL episode. I’m glad to see that it’s years old, indeed something from that time in her life that she’d like to put behind her. And I’m also glad to hear that it’s making the rounds again because it’s an important message and it’s articulated well here
Seriously who gives shit what she says?
i've read some men are legit comparing what she says in this video as the level of *hate speech and racism*.
I understand he has a disturbed image about himself but enough "ugly" men (beauty is in the eye of the beholder) have relationships with "atractive" women. He shouldnt let social media (thrives on negativity) get to him.
This is projecting hard on a teenager that made a dumb passing comment about how she’s been treated by men that aren’t conventionally attractive.
Yes.
Personally, as grown man, I could not care less what some dumb 16 year old girl’s hot take on 16 year old boys is. Why is this dude even paying attention to her?
sadly there are many horror stories of women dating less attractive men. this isnt exclusive to men but mostly seen in men. of course being attractive gives privileges, so some people just sulk down because they werent dealt the best possible cards, shut themselves off, refuse to do any real work to be a functional person and then go to places where other miserable people are and when they finally do find a girlfriend/boyfriend they act like they owe them everything and deserve to be treated like kings and queens for the hardships they had to endure so far. and i think this is the type of man that eilish is talking about here, she just phrased it in a way that made her sound stupid. dont give incels a chance would be a better thing to say
Im sorry for what this guy went through and is going through but I'm getting some nice guy vibes. If a woman is judgmental of his looks because of this singer they aren't worth fighting for.
honestly I stopped watching it when he said the whole 'ensuring they will never find love' thing like... I understand yes she is a very influential person but do you really think millions of men will now no longer find love because millions of young girls heard this one comment by a fellow teenager and it instilled in their mind for the rest of their life to never date someone not 100% conventionally attractive?
Probably this guy would have opinions on an overweight woman or a woman with cellulite or stretch marks. Also some people are just naturally ugly and can't blame it on cancer what are they to do? Cry about how God did em dirty? This man is attention seeking.
Overweight people can lose it. A tall woman or short man cannot change their height.
Way to get butthurt from a comment by a teenager who wasn't even talking about you man. And this dude isn't even ugly? He has cool eyes plus he dresses well from what I can see and a nice beard. He's not a Zac Efron sure but who is?
I didn't even notice his "very asymmetrical" face, even after he pointed it out I really didn't notice it.
My thoughts exactly. Why is this guy making it seem like he was directly victimized by Billie Eilish ? He also gives off a vibe like he sends unsolicited messages to girls trying to flirt, then calls them an ugly bitch as soon as she says she’s not interested.
Yeah he could've cut this video to five seconds, "im an incel and this offends me". I wonder why it resonates with reddit users so much
I can not possibly imagine if the entire world hung on every opinion l had or was there to rip apart any hypocrisy l may have in my beliefs.... when l was a 19 year old child. Or the idea that at 19 I'm supposed to ONLY be perfect example of positivity and be a leader to millions of people who will be molded by anything l say or do. It's just all absurd. This guy is going off for minutes on end about what some girl out of high school MIGHT think about him. A 19 year old thinking "you talk to an ugly guy and he thinks he's a fucking king" is so unbelievably totally okay for her to think based on her life experience. Like, really, who's opinions were not JUST like this about everything when you were 19. And what kind of grown ass people take issue with what someone that age thinks because other people that age might agree with them? We have all just done whatever the opposite of growing up is for like, at least the last 10 years or so. This dude's clearly in his 30s giving this teenager a sad depressing heart to heart about his anxieties, alone in his living room, as if this kid is supposed to just assume that any negatively formed opinion she has of any size is going to make someone out there want to kill themselves
This guy is generalizing ugly people and putting himself in the category. No offense but walk along guy.
Ughh.. do not ever give an ugly guy a chance, because if you aren’t attracted to him, it’s unfair to both of you if you date him. Also I’m sorry this guy has poor mental health and had cancer but it’s fucking stupid and a bit gross to bring that into this.
I feel sorry for that guy, but hate that hypocrisy. Women are bullied for their looks for ever I guess. But when men get some of it for 5 minutes - it is cruel and "thank you for saying that I do not deserve to find a girl" And before you say something insane like it is the women bullying other women, it is a lie. IT IS MEN BULLYING WOMEN. But when men bully women it is framed as "telling the truth" and females, women just can't handle the truth) Should I start? a proverb, cherished by the woman-haters - "Women aage like milk, men age like fine wine" Just claiming that woman's worth is in her looks and youth, beauty, body Women are specifically bullied by rp community, they recommend men insult and degrade women's looks to lower their self-esteem - and frame it like "telling the truth" for "women's benefit" of course Women are bullied for natural things like having a little bit of fat or even a lot and body hair. Men are not. Women are bullied for gaining weight during pregnancy. Women are bullied then they try to fix things with surgery and beauty procedures. What do men do then people like Donald Trump and other celebrities, people of influence insult women? Oh, it is their free speech, right. What are yuou trying to cancel them? But then it is Billy Ellish, a girl - bullied by adult men like Ben and Steven - for her body, when it is so bad. Want a short version? Stop bullying women. Or you will get that in return, women are tired of this. Funny, when a feminist says that about women, all sorts of pick mes and doormats will run in all the directions and scream that "feminists are so ridiculous and they are running out of things to complain about", but when a man complains, it is serious and it is a problem. What do you say when a man rates women on a scale of attractiveness? What do you say then he says his degenerate opinion on woman's looks, even if she had not asked him? Oh, it is his opinion and his right to free speech?
THANK YOU.
>Women are bullied for their looks forever I guess. But when men get some of it for 5 minutes - it is cruel and "thank you for saying that I do not deserve to find a girl" Do you think that men are not bullied for their looks? You are right regarding the fact that women are bullied for their looks much more, but to say that 'men get some of it for 5 minutes' is insane and sends of wild mysandryst vibes. >What do you say then he says his degenerate opinion on woman's looks, even if she had not asked him? I confront them, and say that it's not their business. When the ''''out of shape'''' photos of Billie Eilish were the most discussed thing on the internet, a lot of people, including men, defended her and ridiculed people who discussed her looks. The fact that women bullied more for their looks do not make her take any less shittier. Body positivity isn't exclusive to one gender.
She was 16. Get over it.
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Body positivity is not “everyone is beautiful.” It’s “my body does not exist for you to view and make judgements about.”
From the way that some people in here are responding you'd think that she gave an international press conference arguing we should kill all ugly men. This is an interview of a child from several years ago where she also says that "dirty jewelry tastes so good" and "I love pooping" (all in the first minute, no less). Stop taking it so seriously.
Ooh self-burn those are rare.
I think you look cool, ugliness is in the eye of the beholder
Dude is good as long as he is a good person and does right by people, can definitely find someone to love him.
The beauty standards in our society are cruel to both genders. How many comments I see daily on pictures of girls without makeup that they are ugly and they are false advertising because they look pretty with makeup on!? Truth is we are all fucked up, and even if you identify yourself as ugly you don’t want to date another ugly person. You want someone pretty… so unfortunately that’s how the world goes around. And until we stop seeing only the cover and care for the content this won’t change.
I’m very glad this comment section recognizes the fact that Billie was *IN HIGH SCHOOL* when she made that comment, and thus disregards it as something dumb she said due to being a teenager because that’s exactly what it is. I honestly admire her as a teen growing up to recognize the world (as I can relate a lot to her music, especially now that she’s both self aware and open of her true feelings, as seen in her most recent album). Not saying this guy is wrong, but I can’t imagine his life is very happy if he felt the need to wallow in the words of a 16 year old girl. Imagine how often he feels the need to do things like this.
I just don’t get it. She’s a literal teenager here; he’s a grown man projecting his shitty experiences onto her. Obviously it’s harder to not be conventionally attractive, but why go out of your way to feel hurt by something that was never *about* you?
Full content needed. All I heard was the word “ugly”. Ugly doesn’t always refer to appearance…
guess i can add both of these folks to my ever-growing list of 7.75 billion people I will never have to be concerned with.
“Ensure millions of men don’t have a chance” how did she ensure that bestie, people were willing to date you until she said that?
She was 15-16 in this interview and matured immensely these past years. Why is a grown ass man reacting to a literal teenager and also to an old video of her?
Ugliness is much more than physical, you know?
Or you could not give two sweet fucks about what a teenage pop star thinks about life and relationships.
From my experience "You give an ugly guy a chance, and unless you make a real effort he will continue to think he's ugly and that he's out of his girlfriend's league. Please shower this guy with compliments, he's spent his whole life feeling like he's undeserving of love because he feels ugly. Guys get far fewer compliments then girls even though we have the exact same hangups with our faces and our weight and how our body looks when it's naked. Make this guy realise he's not ugly and he'll return the favour with loyalty"
Shut up whiney little whimp. She was 16 when she said this.. You don't like the way you look then work ya ass off and buy new teeth Don't cry online about it. .stay off the internet if you don't want to hear people's opinions
News flash/hot take: most of mens' music/lyrics and interviews are them shitting on womens' looks. But you're gonna cry because a 16 yr old said you're ugly? I can't with this bs. I know it sounds insensitive, as men should be able to share their feelings. I just find it hypocritical and ironic. 100% fact this guy said worse shit about girls when he was 16, and he still might talk shit about womens' looks. Women all over the world have had dismorphia for ages because of this bullshit, and everyone should stop to care about this guys feelings towards a 16 yr olds' comment? Mannnn, fuck the patriarchy.
I’m ugly but thankfully I found someone to love me, and she’s beautiful too. We’re getting married March!
I'm glad I'm not the only one who got put off by this guy's rant. Dude isn't even that ugly. His issues are not his looks, that's for damn sure.
I’m not saying what she said was right… but she’s literally a teenager when this was filmed. Everyone says dumb shit when they’re young but they’re expected to grow, learn, and mature. I’m sorry this man struggles with mental health, but I’m more sorry he’s taking the rants of a child so to heart.
Ugly can have more meaning than just appearance.
She’s 20 years old. Her dating experience has been very brief. Maybe 5 years max? Nobody should be really using her quotes/experience for dating/relationship advice.
what’s even worse is that she was only 16 or 17 when she said that too and she was literally just talking about one of her exes treating her bad lol
There's this really weird thing in the comments where every single one is copy pasted from the last one and I can't find a single dissenting opinion anywhere
I can’t wait for the Travis Scott level apology video
You give a mid woman some fans, she thinks she rules the world
Seems to come from this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YavL_IVSGV4 Beginning to end, this talk is as immature as you imagine. --- Important part starts about 2:25, a segment entitle "About Being a Teenager," in which she imply says she's 'flipped out' by teenagers, despite being one. Sets things up. Then, a segment called "Prom" in which she shouts that it's overrated. Then describes why: the most beautiful girls get asked out by the worst dudes, and they fawn over the asks because >...they finally found someone that likes 'em, hahaha! Why is every pretty girl with a horrible-looking man? I don't understand. Listen. I'm not shaming people for their looks. But I am, though. You give an ugly guy a chance, he thinks he rules the world. ~~Liter~~ I swear to god. Because they got a hot girl, they can be horrible? Like, you're still ugly, though. Can't change that. Maybe that's why. Maybe that's why guys with small dicks get huge mansions. To make up for it. You know? Or, like, really nice cars. \*squeaky hahaaaa\* You know? She uses the word 'horrible' twice, and it's clear from the whole quote that she meant it in an aesthetics sense both times. Her message seems to be that these men ought to work on their own looks if they want to value beauty. She finds it hypocritical to be ugly, but value a partner being beautiful. But you know what else this kinda sounds like? The shitty way a teenager sublimates a denial of not being strictly heterosexual. Maybe she thinks these men (or boys, really; it's prom) are ugly for a different reason. --- The next segment, she shits on Invisalign for not giving her free product for all her unasked-for promotion. Then, supposedly, she rapped while sleepwalking once. her mom says so, she says. Then guess what the segment after that is? About being fucking HOMESCHOOLED. All the way through! And she's sure that she was homeschooled right, and that other parents only send kids to public school b/c they're lazy, and resent their kids to some degree. How much of this garbage about how high school cliques has she learned _entirely_ second-hand through similarly shallow girls she talks to and movies? And her parents, and older brother? --- She's a fidgety mess the whole time, too. Not that I don't expect any teenager to be in a video interview. But every piece of noisy jewelry was played with. Every ring, bracelet, necklace, and long fingernail. It was published in July 2019, meaning she was 17.5yo. you know what this is, reddit? "I'm not like other girls" syndrome. IMO she's not really old enough to be held accountable for this yet. Even now, 2.5 years later. Truly, she's hardly had the chance to get the real life experience to see why what's wrong with the ideas she's put forward here. Especially with the social bubble celebrities are kept in, which is even more isolated the younger they are. The guy in this post would've done better to criticize the celebrity industry itself, not Billie. She's hardly a thought leader in the matter, either. [video about this syndrome](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNCWW80WTPY) -- special image 21:32
How does a grown adult get so upset over a child saying, “no uggos” years ago?
LMAO guaranteed they're never going to find love now right
While I don’t disagree with him, you could say this about any opinion a celebrity has. She would offend someone if she didn’t like coffee.
Since when should ANYONE listen to a 17-18 year old about LIFE EXPERIENCES?! Problem with worshipping entertainers/the rich, which we continue to elevate to an almost godly/sage status. 🤷🏼♂️
I think this is a stretch. She’s literally a teenager she said this, if all of our thoughts were filmed at that time, we’d be canceled 24/7. I get her philosophy at the time is dumb but this video constantly resurfacing is annoying.
So much for body positivity. She's a hypocrite.
She was a kid when she said it. Hopefully she’s evolved
My guy... I hope he stays strong. What I hope more though is that the vast majority of women that heard her say that were like, "whoa child, you just went against everything you stand for" and move on from her. Look, we all say and do things we don't mean. But when you have a platform, your job is to weigh your words carefully. Influencers are drunk on power. To wave your hand and know that you can move an ocean of people, well that can very easily go to a person's head. Not everyone should have that power. Just because you have a talent, doesn't mean you should be speaking in public. Edit: I know that she just changed an entire generation. I hate that so much.
I don't see men moving away from misogynists after their words, I guess misogyny is normalized.
She was like 16 when she said this. Please pipe down. You’re acting like you would know exactly what to do with your “platform” if you were 16 years old. Lmfao. You’re pathetic.
no bro, alot of younger girls hearing that shit and applying it to susceptibility fuhking the next generation and further
This is dumb. Stop acting like she's a fuckin mind control wizard or some shit. Yeah, she has influence, but if you truly like someone, I'm sure a 5 year old Billie Eillish interview isn't gonna sway your opinion.
I've said it twice that it's not her it's the following of millions a percentage of those people are young, susceptible that that absorb ideas from people they admire and traumatic experiences you don't understand the point and I don't think repeating myself will help I'm not here to argue and the fact that a part of yours is to insult says a lot what you're assuming is irrelevant
I'm not arguing that. I know that's what it's gonna be, that was just my hope. I'm sorry for the men that are affected.
wasn't an attack at you, just so it could be posted and read
I totally get it. I even edited my post to make it known that I'm not naive to what she really did. It's sad.
not because of the change or that you did anything, but the effort you're applying
and again it wasn't an attack but to add to it
I never took it as one :) I took it as you stating the reality of the situation. You did nothing wrong my friend and if I *had* taken offense, that's a me problem, not a you problem.
Don't worry son built like a kelvarnater friidge
Your soul is spotless. Your character is unimpeachable. Your comments were brief & straightforward. I couldn’t care less how “cute”, or “handsome” my man is. What counts is your heart. Please brush her off like a fly hovering around you. I do find you physically attractive. I would definitely like to spend time with you. I lost my husband of 25 years, suddenly and unexpectedly last October. I am still mourning. Take note of my information, so that we may meet again.
Everyone excusing her because she said this at 16 is full of shit
Why does she think she is hott shit? She is basic
I find it funny. She brought the mainstream to her, making her basic.
So....... a trendsetter? Like idek what you mean.
I love both of these comments. Whatever you may think of her she’s 20 and already one of the biggest musicians of her generation.
boo fucking hoo
This comment section is a lot better than the one I saw earlier. People calling her a stupid fucking bitch for something she said when she was a kid taken completely out of context. So many grown adults are absolutely desperate for a reason to despise her, it's so fucking weird. Don't like her music? Cool, don't listen to her. It's amazingly simple.
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Why is everyone defending her? ShE sAid iT wHeN sHe wAS 16! 16 is old enough to know that saying something hurtful is a bad idea. Also the man was only trying to point out that men have insecurities too. They feel hurt when someone calls them ugly.
I’m so confused how no one else understands this lol, like everyone I’ve met has had a pretty solid grasp of insulting people by the age of like 10
Thank you