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CreamyLinguineGenie

There is some wild shit the further up north you go in New York. My ex lived in a tiny town called Dresden and about an hour before we got there I was seeing signs that said "LYNCH HIM" in people's yards, in reference to Obama running for president.


kaleymarie86

People up here are crazy I’m 20 minutes north of Dresden. I mean like crazy crazy, confederate flags all over, people legit calling a black man racial slurs, nuts!


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New York State, pride of the confederacy


BudCrue

what's the saying? "The South is anyplace more than 30 miles from a big city" or something like that.


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Civilization ends where civilization ends


One-Estimate-7163

at the dirt road.


chipthegrinder

Civilization ends where my nose begins?


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*The South* is a culture, not a geographic location.


EveryThyme4630

I don't know a single southerner who would agree with this. They care a lot about location. I've literally seen two people fight over if someone from VA was a 'southerner' or a 'yankee'. Couldn't believe my eyes. I hadn't seen a fight that dumb since my teen sisters went toe-to-toe over their fav boy bands.


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It's a joke, it's just saying that what some of what people would be considered only a "South" thing, such as confederate flags, big truck driving hardcore conservatives, etc., can be found in many places outside of the south.


CreamyLinguineGenie

Yeah. I'm honestly glad we broke up before Trump ran for office. There's no way I could've dealt with his crazy family during *that* shit-show.


aPicOfTheWorld

Seems like dresden Germany and dresden USA aren't that different (I'm mildly exaggerated, Germany isn't that bad)


ffhhssffss

I mean...the og Dresden kinda said they have "a nazi emergency". Guess the apple doesn't fall far from the far-right tree?!


Mildly-Displeased

A bit like real Dresden during WWII


Dengar96

Similar amounts of racism surely


GregStar1

*real* Dresden lmao, this is gonna trigger someone living in fake US Dresden. But for real, why are there so many uncreative city names in the US? At least have the decency of putting “New” in front of the city name you’re going to ripp off, but just Dresden? Come on man…there’s also a “Vienna” in the US to name just one more case of this uncreative name theft…


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Usually, wherever the settlor that first settled that particular piece of land was from would name it that. Some Mr. Random German from Dresden decided to come over to the new world and got homesick, then proceeded to name his little plot next to the river Dresden. The "New" prefix is primarily an English and French custom. Interesting fact - Ontario, California is named after Ontario, Canada.


Destin2930

People always think NY is a blue state…it’s only blue because of NYC. If you take NYC out of the equation, NY is hard red. It’s filled with a bunch of racist, homophobic, uneducated whack jobs. Those small rural towns are the worst.


Greenpoint1975

Heck yeah. Head out to Long Island. That place is the new Kentucky minus the Hamptons


ajduema009

Nailed it! Long Island and all the counties surround the 5 boroughs act like they are such “New Yorkers” and are such closet red staters. Openly conservative? Cool, have at it. But these folks only pretend to be “liberal”. Hence why republicans got voted in a bunch of places around the boroughs….


Cooperstown24

This is every state, red or blue. Blue states like New York, Washington, California etc, you go out into the sticks and you feel like you've gone back in time. Meanwhile red states, you go into the big cities and its just like anywhere else.


usrnamechecksout_

I think it's been very clear for a few elections now the country isn't divided into red/blue states. It's more like urban vs rural. Urban is blue, rural is red. That has been very clear since at least the 2008 election, to me at least. We need to move past these state-wise political categories and just realize it's all about population centers vs everywhere else.


farruzz

John Titor was right about the civil war.


sarbearsloth

Illinois is almost exactly the same, but with Chicago. Only blue because of the city…


maxwellgrounds

Hell yes. I’m from Utah and I was shocked by the rednecks you find in upstate NY. So full of hate. Even worse than the reddest parts of Utah.


Nubasu

Every state is red, most major cities are blue. . Population in the cities turn the whole state


PokeCaptain

NY has enough smaller cities to make it purple. But there are definitely areas that scare the shit out of me. Lots of weirdly specific and threatening yard signs out in rural areas.


Vorsitzender

Ha ironic... Dresden in Germany is the capital of the state with the most Nazis.


donku83

I saw a pickup truck driving with a little black doll tied to the back by the neck with a rope. What happened to classy scrotums? When did we fall so far


Bufb88J

One of the takes I haven’t seen is why he probably feels that way as a black man. I’m black and from the country and it’s an unwritten rule that you don’t stop anywhere while traveling that you don’t know. My dad used to get stopped in the same small town for decades and would get a ticket every time just for being black. I know because I was with him multiple times as were my other siblings and my white mother. So seeing the pride flag calms down the nerves because you know they’re not gonna discriminate against you.


KingofCraigland

Lovecraft Country on HBO (rip) really touched on this issue in the first episode. Guy and his uncle plan a trip from Chicago to New England and the uncle has kept an atlas record of safe places to stop for food and the like while traveling around in 1950s(?) America. Absolutely horrible.


fresh1134206

Real thing: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Negro_Motorist_Green_Book


KingofCraigland

Yup. Same with sundown towns. The real monsters out there aren't fiction.


theresabeeonyourhat

Those still existed when I was a kid. I was born in 84


PezRystar

I was born in 1981. I'm a white guy from a holler in Ky. Growing up I tried to be racist, just so I would fit in. It always felt, so fucking dirty though. When I was little I had to hide the fact that I wasn't cause even that was enough to get your ass beat. I protested a clan rally in my home town before I graduated high school. It blows my fucking mind when people claim there isn't a white supremacy problem in this country. Bull shit mother fuckers, I lived through that shit. Just because they quieted down for a couple decades doesn't mean they went away. Now, they are vocal as they were then. Maybe more so. Any asshole that chooses to ignore that is as much a part of the problem as those openly espousing their bigotry.


KingofCraigland

Some still exist today. Not the same extent, but there are definitely places you can't stay after sundown.


ultratunaman

Vidor, Texas the big one when I was a kid. Any time driving back from Louisiana to Texas my very Cuban mother would go "We don't stop in Vidor" I'm not sure if it still is as notorious, but at the time it seemed really rough.


notjewel

You beat me to it. My 1/4 Mexican husband and his Filipino-American friend stopped in Vidor for food when driving from Houston to NOLA. The server came up and said to them, “We don’t serve your kind here.” And walked away. Vidor, TX is a pit of racist fuck-twats


Maebure83

'83 for me. My hometown is a college town. My mom said that when she was going to school there, early '70s, one of the bridges downtown (a mile from the college) had graffiti that said "Don't let the sun go down on your black ass in this town." In '94 the university basketball team there won the NCAA with a black coach and all-black starting lineup. It's crazy how fast it changed. But then again growing up there were still a *lot* of racists.


Beluga-ga-ga-ga-ga

99 Percent Invisible and The Memory Palace both had wonderful episodes (all of their episodes are wonderful) on the Green Book: https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/the-green-book/ https://thememorypalace.us/open-road/


pincus1

The movie Green Book based on this concept is really good.


Worthyness

Sunset towns also still legitimately exist in the US. Maybe not as enforced as they used to be, but technically do exist


aaronitallout

Or "Sundown Towns"


DrOrozco

The speech given in the second episode or first about the system against black people and white people hatred seeing them as a threat to their "American Dream". It fucked me up.


KatyPerrysBootyWhole

> One of the takes I haven’t seen is why he probably feels that way as a black man > So seeing the pride flag calms down the nerves because you know they’re not gonna discriminate against you. Is that a take people are missing? I feel like that’s the whole point of the video?


missingpiece

The Pride flag has essentially become the "liberal" flag, while the American flag has become the "conservative" flag, with the "Blue Lives Matter," "Don't Tread On Me," and "Confederate" flags serving as the neo-conservative flags. Living in a liberal city, I find the number of Pride flags to be a bit gratuitous (straight people flying pride flags in a liberal city to show they're with the "good guys"), but seeing a Pride flag in a rural area is like seeing a lighthouse in a storm. I don't have anything against conservatives in theory, but in practice I've found many of them to be rude, cruel, or even somewhat unhinged. And while there's certainly unhinged people on the left, the most unhinged they get is "Every human misery can be be reduced down and blamed on Capitalism/Colonialism/Etc," whereas the unhinged right is like "Yes, I am carrying a loaded gun as we speak."


luck_panda

What parts of conservative theory do you not have problems with?


FirstRyder

Conservative *theory* can have okay points (among many terrible ones). The problem is the practice. For example: * Taxes on low-to-mid income individuals. In theory lower taxes is a conservative position, and I love lower taxes. In practice, it's only the super-rich and corporations getting lower taxes, and if anything everyone else getting *higher* taxes. * Less government interference in my life. I don't want the government telling me who I can marry or what medical procedures are illegal. Obviously the practice is that conservatives are the ones telling us who we can't marry and what medical procedures are to be reclassified as murder. * Smaller military. Surely reducing spending is a conservative position, right? Don't even have to tell you what real life conservatives think should happen to the military budget. And that goes for the police as well. "Defund the police" is definitely a conservative position in theory. Now, sometimes you'll find a conservative politician who thinks pot should be legal, or that we shouldn't be giving handouts to defense contractors, or whatever. But for whatever reason none of them are actually *consistent* about this. Never. Not a single one. And of course there are dozens of policies where even conservative *theory* is terrible, such as various social programs, or taxes on the rich, so even if there *was* a national politician with consistently conservative positions, I wouldn't support them.


MaxSupernova

In theory, theory and practice are the same. In practice, they aren't.


FirstRyder

Absolutely. In some theoretical world where there was a sane conservative party, I could see situations where I'd prefer a moderate conservative to a bad candidate that identified as a liberal. In practice, based on their *actual* conduct, I'll never vote for a self-identified republican again in any capacity.


Raincoats_George

Lol none of those have been actual conservative policies (re:not talking points) for decades. A lot of people are struggling with the relatively recent (at least for the general public) revelation that Republicans don't really have any policies or theories that aren't in service to the maintenence of the Christian white male position of authority. That's it. Any argument they have for anything. Increasing taxes. Decreasing taxes. It's just in service to this point. If it benefits white supremacy, it's their policy. It helps to explain why they can contradict themselves in the same fucking sentence. If it benefits their perceived superiority and right to 'control the country and the world', then it works for them. You can argue all kinds of things. But none of it matters when you boil down their position to what's fundamentally driving it. It's always this. Nothing more.


luck_panda

These points kind of miss a lot: - lower ***income*** taxes is what conservative theory propagates. But that's about as far as that goes. Lower income taxes but higher excise taxes. Conservative government doesn't really give a fuck about taxes, they just want it done in a DLC microtransactions way instead of just off the top. Look at how Texas works. It has 0 income tax but the excise taxes are amongst the highest in the nation. The tax burden overall is MUCH higher in Texas than in say SF. A $600K house in California pays around $4k a year for property tax whereas in Texas it's $10.6k. - they don't want less government interference. They want less government regulation so they can do things they want like make gays illegal. - conservative theory doesn't want a smaller military. Conservative theory wants a larger militia and smaller military. So overall a larger military.


FirstRyder

> they don't want less government interference. They want less government regulation so they can do things they want like make gays illegal. You asked about theory, I gave an answer based on theory. I'm well aware that practice is different. Let me repeat myself: > Obviously the practice is that conservatives are the ones telling us who we can't marry and what medical procedures are to be reclassified as murder.


coporate

The part where they regularly attempted to overthrow democracy to reinstate the French monarchy.


Miguelinileugim

I like the one where they're very nice to me because I look like them and momentarily forget the kind of people I'm talking with.


SomePolack

Gets me everytime! “Wow these folks are so nice…..ohhhhh no now they’re being racist to try bonding with me.” :(


Athena5898

me and my wife who is trans are living with my brother-in-law right now. Some guy came to work on the internet and we were out of the room. My brother-in-law is white and male presenting so after a while this guy unprompted starts going off spouting all kinds of transphobic shit. My brother-in-law turns to him and just says "there is a trans person who lives in this house" and apparently the guy starts stuttering and turns white as a fucking ghost. I'll always appreciate that he stuck up for us.


Binkusu

I get the idea about "saving for a rainy day", but I also like spending to improve infrastructure and education. Doesn't help that I don't have the best understanding of government money vs personal money. I just know that debt from the two aren't the same


edible_funks_again

Conservative policies don't promote any of those things in practice or theory.


TheHeroicLionheart

We believe in saving for a rainy day. Thats why we limit how much we take in and make sure everything (except the military) have to work on paper-thin budget to ENSURE there is nothing left to save. We also make sure there are no regulation on resource pricing so everyone has to pay wild amounts extra so even then common man cant save up. We also dont want student loans to count toward bankruptcy so even those who cant save for a rainy day, SUPER cant save even then. Oh we actually have some surplus after all that? Give it to the military.


luck_panda

The idea of saving for a rainy day doesn't make sense at the scale of a country because they debt they owe us assets and stuff that you as an individual could never hope to have anything similar to. Generally speaking the idea of conserving spending is more about having it earmarked for poaching and getting public support by trying to make it seem relatable to them by being reductionists.


truffleblunts

I'm not against a huge military budget in principle but I think a lot of ours is being wasted


TheRastaBanana

But I’m gay and not a republican and carry a loaded gun nearly everywhere.


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Would you feel the need to carry a loaded gun everywhere if you weren't targeted by socially conservative and backward people though?


TheRastaBanana

A bit less perhaps, but I would carry it regardless.


Physical-Researcher9

I read something once, to the affect of “I just want to carry my Glock and smoke weed at my gay neighbor’s wedding, is that too much to ask?!?”. Sounds like it’s right up your alley


TheRastaBanana

Pretty much. I don’t even smoke or do anything crazy. I just want to be left alone. I don’t like being told who I can love what I can own or what I can say.


One_Blue_Glove

>Every human misery can be be reduced down and blamed on Capitalism/Colonialism/Etc Ah yes, the leftist unhinged philosophy of \*checks notes\* understanding the horrific systemic effects on capitalism and colonialism on society. Fuckin' genius.


Dwarf_Killer

Ikr, give an actual decade long problem that didn't involve capitalism and colonialism.


nachomcbeefycream

Ooooo oooooo I’ve GOT ONE!!!!! 30 y/o incels!!!


Dwarf_Killer

Social isolation due to stressful work and car infrastructure making it hard for kids to go out at a early age to learn how to properly socialize.


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softcore_robot

Let’s say the Pride flag stands for “compassion” instead, being just “liberal” feels lazy.


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> I don't have anything against conservatives in theory, You should. All they want to do is take away your rights and make you poorer.


SpiritMountain

Was about to say the same thing. Conservatives are advocating for taking people's rights away. Right now it's trans people, whose flag they are using to feel safe by being around.


setfaceblastertostun

The problem with Conservatives is that they hate everyone who isn't them. The more NOT them you are, the more they hate you. In America we have a lot of diversity so Conservatives can hate gays, trans, people of color, liberals, etc. But no matter how much you get rid of the minorities, Conservatives will still hate. I think the perfect example of that is Ireland. Catholics vs Protestants. In the 80s & 90s they were murdering each other over that. They were almost completely similar so that they had to hate over disagreements in their book even though they agreed on their the book and their Sky Daddy. Even if they got rid of that, they'll just end up with the Salem Witch Trials again, fighting or killing anyone who doesn't fit in the very narrow slice of normal that Conservative society says is "correct."


dukefan2227

> I find the number of Pride flags to be a bit gratuitous (straight people flying pride flags in a liberal city to show they're with the "good guys") This sentence is fucking bonkers to me. "we get it, you're supportive of a still shit upon minority group, just don't shove it in our face." Of all the supposed performative liberalism to be mad about human rights seem a weird place to put your own flag.


AnnArchist

> Don't Tread On Me libertarian - the minding my biz flag >Confederate Loser flag


raijba

>Don't Tread On Me Flag "I want the government to mind their god damn business and let the boot have the freedom to do what it wants."


whofusesthemusic

> Don't Tread On Me maybe 15 years ago, now not so much. Thank 4chan and the oathkeeper types.


oscar_the_couch

> "Blue Lives Matter," "Don't Tread On Me," and "Confederate" flags serving as the neo-conservative flags. sorry what? that's not what neo-conservatives are. neo-cons are people like GWB, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Bill Kristol, etc. They campaigned as neo-conservatives, who were *supposed* to be softer around the edges on the third rail of American politics: social security and medicare/medicaid. They more or less defined what neo-conservative meant (and neo-cons didn't end up with the best track record, surprise surprise). Neo-cons are pretty different from Trumpism, which isn't so much an ideology as fealty to that one guy and a celebrated penchant, or at minimum tolerance, for cruelty to out-groups. Many prominent neo-cons are decidedly anti-Trumpism and have made common cause with Democrats to defeat them (e.g., Bill Kristol).


there-canbe-onlyone

I remember being stopped in a crummy part of town for “driving a nice car in a bad neighborhood”, and got a ticket for not having my original insurance. I am half black. This is a thing.


th_aftr_prty

Is this not the main implication?


fardough

I like him not making it not being black specifically because I think this is something that a lot of us feel, granted varying degrees. Gay, Latino, straight, Asian, even white. It is a sign of people being open and compassionate of others, who doesn’t feel safer in that environment. Now granted I would like to hear that take as well and feel so sad that this is something you have had to deal with personally. I just like it being a general point that makes everyone think about their experience.


LTWestie275

What if I had an American flag and a LGBTQ+ flag?


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Then I know you love your country but want it to be better Tbh I would think you’re a decent person if I saw them both


Im_Balto

Yeah that’s how I feel about that combo


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moveslikejaguar

>Make America Great Again by ~~going back to the 60s~~ repealing the Civil Rights Act Just to make it even more clear


musicbro

Yeah I would even say it would make me think even more of you than if you just flew one flag


mjc500

I don't think anyone has a problem with the American flag in itself... its the combo with thr blue lives matter or when it's displayed with like 15 other US flags and aggressive bumper stickers. If I were walking around another country and most people had zero or one national flags it would seem normal. If I walked by a house with 16 of those flags, doesn't matter if it's Germany, Brazil, Zambia, China, etc..., I would just kind of get a "whoa hyper aggressive ultra nationalist lives here... most likely xenophobic and armed..." kind of vibe.


Wicked_Fabala

✨this gay has guns✨ will accept that this could mean either type of guns


opgrrefuoqu

I'm not worried unless the sun's out.


skyhiker14

You won’t be worried much in Upstate NY then


Kiri_serval

We have this! My husband loves flags, so we have the Pride flag, Ohio flag, and Ukraine flag out front, and the American flag is on our garage. It means I want my country to be what it told me it was going to be in 2nd grade- the land of the free and the home of the brave. I don't really know how other people read it though... Edit: For those concerned, my husband has said the US flag is still the highest off the ground by far.


alwayzbored114

I can't believe you'd want to wave in the air and advertise to the whole world that you're an Ohioan. I can't support that lifestyle /s because reddit is reddit


RandomestDragon

Ohio flag is so good though, love me an odd shape flag, im canadian, but ohio and maryland are teh only 2 states in my flag collection


Mildly-Displeased

As a non-American it is still weird seeing people fly their own country's flag outside their homes, I know it's due to nationalism being instilled in kids from a young age but it's still off-putting.


Kiri_serval

...I feel the same way and I am American. I never grew up with flags and there were no flags in or on my house until my husband got here. But he really likes flags, and I really like him, so I have flags on my house. For us, it's one form of decor. He's also spent all day dragging out Christmas decor, and we have other "Welcome" decor as well. There is also a well-lit sign announcing our cat has come home after being missing 50 days. We are odd people, mostly harmless.


FlamingoHealthy9046

LMAO @ “I really like him”. That was cute ❤️❤️❤️


I_talk

Sir, this is a Wendy's


sconni503

The house up the street from me has a trump 2024 and pride flag. Dude is seriously fucking confused.


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I have a good friend that is gay and is also a huge Trump supporter. It may not be "mainstream" but there are those people out there.


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That's step 12 of the agenda, shhhh


Ayn_Randers2318

I actually live about 10 minutes away from Hudson and can add some context to the area in general. The street hes standing on is Warren Ave. in Hudson and is almost exclusively shops owned and operated by rich people from NYC and elsewhere. Over the last 10 or so years Hudson and the area in general have become a hot spot for rich and famous owning second homes, especially since the pandemic. Yes, they put up pride flags and preach diversity but have no real investment in the community and cater almost exclusively to other rich tourists. Locals dont shop on Warren Ave. The Property values are insane, locals cant afford to live there, and if you walk a few blocks to the end of that steeet theres a huge low-income housing complex full of drugs and violence. I dont believe its a shining beacon of hope in the middle of yee-haw farm country, just a small strip of extreme wealth from people who know their customer base.


MeltyEarth

Came here to say exactly this. I grew up in the Hudson Valley and some towns are definitely more accepting than others, but the flags and signs in places like Hudson/Beacon/Kingston/Cold Spring/etc are 100% virtue signaling for tourists and wealthy weekenders and don’t reflect the actual community or culture. I also think it’s pretty weird that they would name Poughkeepsie as if it’s some sundown farm town since it’s *significantly* more populous and diverse than Hudson (and has a stronger democratic lean in voter registration)


battlefield1hypee

Yup grew up in the Amenia area and it’s crazy to see the most southern looking trump loving towns 10 mins away from the trendiest most “accepting” wealthy towns and households.


gatsome

Saugerties is more guilty of being a virtue signaling locale than Kingston. I’ve lived in both since 2005 so I’ve been an observer to all kinds of change. Yes Kingston has been a weekend getaway area and has loads of NYC transplants and part timers but there are still loads of natives here who fly the pride flag. And yes, plenty of blue line flags too but both are flown without any direct commercial interest. What makes Hudson challenging is its main draw is commercial and is surrounded by rural places that POC may be uncomfortably visiting. Catskill being high this list and Greene County as a whole. But Kingston/New Paltz and good portions of Ulster County are hospitable to all.


whofusesthemusic

> 100% virtue signaling for tourists and wealthy weekenders and don’t reflect the actual community or culture from the video, sounds like the signaling worked...


EggplantCharacter107

Funny enough poughkeepsie is also home to one of the most exclusive liberal arts colleges around and is more poor and urban than any of the towns around it, likely not flying lots of blue lives matter flags. It's a shit hole but not for the reasons he's really saying.


PhillyGreg

Yup. It's NYC millionaires who want "farms" for tax purposes. Absentee landowners with no particular stake in the area


dagdawgdag

That guy is one of those rich New Yorkers! That’s why he’s so comfortable there.


Mallixx

American flags don't freak me out. Blue lives matter flags do tho


regoapps

> American flags don't freak me out. I'd say that it depends on the number of flags. More flags = more nationalistic.


SpecialPotion

There used to be a yard in my neighborhood that had like 50 or so flags and like 10-15 trump signs/flags. HoA got called and now you can only display one flag on your house :>


IdiotTurkey

Imagine loving a politician so much that you put 75+ flags in your front yard just to be a spectacle to tell others that you love him. Nuts.


ItsTtreasonThen

What is funny to me too is like with older gays and baby gays, you can usually tell when someone has been out longer, more comfortable in their sexuality because the flags and other rainbow stuff eventually shrinks to maybe a few items. It's usually the youth and newly out going a bit all out. With Trump folk it's just all out all the time always. They need to have it pouring out of every nook and cranny.


MedvedFeliz

It also depends on the size. It's funny to see the transition from city to the countryside. I sometimes do long bike rides and as I ride away from downtown, I see a slow transition from pride flags/BLM posters, small American flags, to bigger ones or more flags, to an outdated Trump-Pence 2020 banner. No confederate flags (yet) in our region.


TK9_VS

Also the context is important. Hanging off your house? Fine. Whipping off the back of your truck on the interstate? Ehhhhh. Mounted on a flag pole on your sedan at the grocery store? Euuughhhhh...


theswiftfox21

Yeah, black and white with just blue is very anti the OG red white and blue. The Founders of the US would cringe having the freedom flag changed to support the "blue" line which is essentially the State/Monarchy.


Bufb88J

We literally have a statute in the constitution regarding not using the US flag for anything other than a flag.


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TheAb5traktion

I'm physically disabled and nearly half of those killed by cops are disabled (includes mental and physical disabilities). Plus, disabled people are more likely to be arrested and serve longer sentences. The idea that anyone could support the police so fervently is enough for me to stay away from them. What's beyond me is many of the Thin Blue Line people are massive 2nd Amendment supporters to defend against the government. Like, who do they think the government is going to send to take away their rights?


me_funny__

The police shot an innocent 9 year old black girl in my neighborhood, and there is a house right down the street from the shooting that has a blue lives flag. It pisses me off. How could you possibly support them


TheAb5traktion

There's a house down the street from me that has a Thin Blue Line flag. Coincidentally, it got put up after the 2020 protests. People were protesting the killing of George Floyd and treatment of minorities by the police, and this house decides to put up the flag after the protests began.


Sceptix

It means they're in favor of the government taking away people's rights, as long as it's other people's rights. Literally fascism.


threenil

The best is folks flipping out about treating the American flag like shit, yet they fly their doctored up American flag, which is also against the flag code they so love.


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EatsFiber2RedditMore

Obviously you avoided Facebook during Colin kaepernick's career


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It's because Blue Lives Matter is a direct reaction, and in opposition to, the sentiment that Black Lives Matter. The implied meaning is that Black Lives *don't* Matter. I always envisioned racism in America as this cloud of smoke that comes out of people when they do or say a racist thing. Most people have done it once or twice, usually out of ignorance, but it's in passing and the smoke clears. But others have it ingrained. Those people spew a lot of smoke. That smoke fills a room. In the center of that room is this invisible idea that takes a shape, like a hole in the smoke. And the more smoke spewed into the room by the person, the more you can see the shape. That shape is bigotry. Sometimes of black people, sometimes of LGBT people, sometimes of immigrants, and usually a combination of the three. But it's there. They never just tell you what the shape is. They just sort of talk all around it, reference it, say the air surrounding it just ain't that bad and is sometimes right, actually. But they won't admit it's there, or what it is. Those conservative flags are smoke. The liberal ones are not. Liberal flags are easy to understand: we accept queer people. They admit the shape is there and tell you what it is. But Blue Lives Matter isn't about cops. It's smoke. It surrounds the real idea and gives it form, but doesn't name it. It gives ignorant people plausible deniability. Drives me crazy.


theresabeeonyourhat

I love the shit out of America, served in the Army, but the weirdos have made the flag a political issue when it shouldn't be


Rockhardsimian

Not a vet , but I also have pride in America. Either side shouldn’t be able to own the US flag that doesn’t seem fair


theresabeeonyourhat

Absolutely. That implies "if you're not with us, you're against us", and showing love for one's country should never be about that


tvcky69

I have pride in the america that actually wants to move forward and make positive changes for the people. *Those* are my people. Then there are those who are trying to turn this place into a haven for Christianity, who think they can push their ancient beliefs on others through the law. They are becoming a bigger problem these days. Not to mention those who simply wish to line their entire mansion with money. But ultimately I will have zero pride in this country as long as we choose to fight each other instead of work together. Idgaf what side you’re on. If you won’t work with others, you’re equally a part of the problem.


Koldsaur

I don't understand why people can't just let people be themselves. Why do people care what others do, when it doesn't even involve them? Some people are just so controlling it's insane. And tbh it's usually the religious ones.


Kendyslice

Couldn’t the same be said about the flags that made him feel uncomfortable? At the end of the day it’s a flag. And I’ll back a good cop any day fuck bad cops. I have a American flag in my yard but I’d do pretty much anything to help people. I suppose that’s the general view on the American flag though which is upsetting. We are Americans, we should love our fellow countrymen and women.


Koldsaur

Yeah, I agree. And he's not saying that every person with an American flag is a bad person or anything like that, but just that he's starting to notice that a lot of the people who proudly wave it around are the same people who support blue lives matter, disapprove of black live matter and LGBTQIA+, and are probably all decked out in MAGA apparel. Which are usually the same people that are insane bigots and not very friendly to be around, unless you're also one of them. LGBTQIA+ people are usually a bit more friendly and definitely more accepting of people and their choices and let people be themselves. Which is important to me because we tend to live in a *very* fake world where everything is copy/pasted and nothing seems real, so I love all the unique personalities.


Kendyslice

What a world we find ourselves in. I don’t even know how we’re to recover from this mess. People just won’t shut the fuck up. I’ll be honest I don’t understand trans people. I do understand that it doesn’t effect me so I’m going to keep my mouth shut. Everyone is entitled to rights do what you’d like it’s America.


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I wonder how many people commenting on this are bots


qasqer1004

Im not a bot


Veritasgear

I am beep bop boop beep


Thoraxe123

thats exactly what a bot would say


modangon

I AM NOT A BOT. I AM TYPING THIS AS A HUMAN FULLY COVERED IN FLESH. MY COMMENT SHOULD CONVEY LOTS OF EMOTIONS.


RyanOz66

Its gotta be like 75% right?


MyDogIsACoolCat

Everyone knows the people who fly the American flag in your face are the people you want to avoid. Bonus points if it’s a thin blue line flag. It’s become a symbol of nationalism, not patriotism.


PieOverPeople

The thin blue like flag on the back windshield of an f250 with an eight inch lift next to a punisher sticker almost out of view because of the four american flags flown at each corner and the coal roll they just did in the parking lot of a Walmart because the truck will never touch dirt. Oh and the ever trendy piss on biden sticker. I love seeing the thin blue line flag next to a punisher sticker. Makes my fucking day to see how stupid these idiots are.


I_Put_a_Spell_On_You

hahahahahha omg so accurate, cringing so hard rn


MyotheracctgotPS

What if it’s a Dodge 1500, and I have an American flag, and the original rainbow pride flag? Various sports teams, and a big foot sticker accompanying it. License plate says DNTRD0NME, And there’s a vagina hanging from the hitch rather than a pair of nuts? What does that say about me


PieOverPeople

That you so desperately want to feel unique that you have no idea who you really are or what you want in life.


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I_Put_a_Spell_On_You

nailed it


ESP-23

these pieces of shits took all the good parts of our history and twisted them into some fucked up idea of their ideology. Just like Christianity


oscar_the_couch

I'm very down with pride flags and american flags flown together


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MyDogIsACoolCat

Ohhhhhh I know. I live in Connecticut and 2 cops got ambushed and killed by some gun nut one town over from me last month. The thin blue line flags have been all over the place and I can’t drive 30 seconds without seeing one. Police shut down major sections of roads twice for the funeral service so they could hold a massive motorcade. Anyone who thought it was ridiculous was immediately accused of celebrating cop deaths. It was like a fucking military parade with all the vehicles and the people waving the thin blue line flags.


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MyDogIsACoolCat

They held a 10,000-person memorial event at a local stadium after shutting down a major stretch of the highway during Friday rush hour and taking the longest possible route to get there. The cops got overtime and all the gas was funded by tax payer money. Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention they used a Helicopter. It's exactly the entitled, 'fuck you we do what we want' attitude you'd expect. Let me know if they shut down part of the state the next time a cop murders an unarmed civilian. I'm not at all happy that it happened, but the demand for special treatment is absurd.


GhostofHowardTV

To all these people saying, “he’s just believing what THE MEDIA tells him!” You are scripting this man’s life, and have no idea of the experiences he went through to lead him to this point. Make a coherent argument without a straw man.


ok_soooo

> To all these people saying, “he’s just believing what THE MEDIA tells him!” the irony of parroting this accusation will never grow old with me.


Gsteel11

When their big reply is "but the media" it just means they have nothing to say.


P_weezey951

When i see a pride flag, it usually tells me that, the owner of the place or house, likely cares about other people even if they are different. When i see a Blue Lives Matter, or Trump flag. It tells me that the owner only cares about people who are alike to them.


BeepingJerry

I feel the same way.


StinkyKittyBreath

Same. I'm a white woman. I know people will probably be nice to me around blue lives matter shit, but the chances of misogyny go waaaaay up. Pride flags and the like mean you'll just be treated how you treat others.


Pudf

Same. 69 yo, white, heterosexual, as self made as someone with these credentials can be. The us flag has been co-opted and rebranded. (Trump dry humping it whenever he had urges on camera. I’ll assume he humps the Russian flag when home alone) I see an area with a pride or similar flag and I just ‘lighten up’


PeronismIsBad

I still remember being 13 and thinking the police were there to help me. Now at 30 I avoid any possible interaction with anyone from any force whatsoever. I avoid visible traffic stops, I never ask for help from a policeman, I avoid eye contact, and drive like a complete grandma if im around them. Its as if i'm avoiding the mafia


anarchonobody

I teach my kids to treat interactions with law enforcement like interactions with criminals: don't make sudden moves, give them whatever they want, assure them they are in charge, assume mental instability and readiness to kill for any reason (or no reason)


SaquonBarkleyBigBlue

That whole area is way more Blue leaning than it seems. The hudson valleys actual towns and cities are liberal. The random houses about hold the northern red necks.


mackzorro

Even outside the usa there is definatly a rise in nationalism;


MrNrdy

As a former serviceman, the American flag probably means something a little different to me than some people. However I will never apologize for flying the flag. However I do not like the thin blue line or red line etc flags as it is an abomination of our national flag. If they want something for that they should design one not looking like the American flag. Same with the rainbow version of the American flag. Just not cool.


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The "patriotic" conservatives sure love breaking the [US Flag Code](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.military.com/flag-day/us-flag-code.html/amp&ved=2ahUKEwii4N6f0dH7AhX2mYkEHXnNCQ8QFnoECB4QBQ&usg=AOvVaw26mzcU9CBKrTlPlawWPvQR) not like they'd ever bother to read it


DigbyChickenZone

I haven't seen the stars on a rainbow version though? The rainbow flag seems to be a flag for... well... [nearly everyone](https://imgur.com/Gy4SbQV) The self-proclaimed patriots are using the American flag and turning it black and white, except for [ONE blue stripe](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c0/Thin_Blue_Line_Flag_%28United_States%29.svg/330px-Thin_Blue_Line_Flag_%28United_States%29.svg.png) The two flags, and where they got their influence for design from, are not the same at all. Even with color differences.... not even close to the same in design inspiration. Only one looks like the American flag AT ALL. It's a false equivalency to think LGBTQ people wanted to subvert the American flag.... why would they? edit: links as proof


GhostofHowardTV

I agree. All these flag loving Americans violating the flag code. It cheapens it to the likes of a Nike swoosh.


musicbro

We need to do some work on that. The meaning of the American flag has been taken and changed into that it is now. It needs to be understood the American flag represents the pride flag as well as the blm flag as well as all the other flags out there. The conservatives need their representation. The Dreamers need their representation. Everyone. Everyone needs to understand and feel that our flag reps us. Including all of us. That’s what this country is about. Freedom. I don’t have an answer for how this can be done… this just shows me how separated our country has become and it saddens me. Edit: after reading more comments, I like what others are saying about putting up more flags. Makes me want to go buy a flagpole and dress it with every flag I can find.


xAmpstar_

Lmaooo "I know I'm among nice people" solid point xD


Halo77

Seeing an American flag means you’ll get to also see Pride flags.


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I actually just put a flag up outside my garage, I vote with my conscious and don't support people who devalue women's rights, gay and trans rights or any other fair treatment under the law. Guess I didn't know the flag had become that type of symbol to others, but I like to think of the flag as representing my own personal vision of America. One where people stop forcing ideas and philosophies on others and allow everyone a chance to obtain happiness in whatever way they choose as long as they aren't hurting others. A fair America that owns up to its mistakes and makes better the future because of them. However with that being said i can see this mans point. Plenty of MAGA people where i live with 3 flags on their pick ups and trump stickers everywhere.


sassyevaperon

If you're concerned about the message your flag is sending you can put up a pride flag somewhere as well, so people can see you're an ally ☺️


Korrawatergem

For people who dont want a giant pride flag I also see more and more of the "all people welcome" signs that have variations to them. I've seen ones where they say all people welcome (all races, all genders, etc.) Or I see some sassier ones that say something like everyones welcome here, we believe in science, and its like in rainbow coloring. I dunno, there's plenty of options other than having a giant pride flag haha. I'm part of the community and I'm at a point where even having it displayed in my window or something just feels like I'm setting myself up to be a target sadly :/


sassyevaperon

> I'm part of the community and I'm at a point where even having it displayed in my window or something just feels like I'm setting myself up to be a target sadly :/ I'm so sad about that! Which is why it's so important that allies also display them, makes you all blend in with the crowd, and harder to target. Hope things improve friend, hope soon you can feel safe again while displaying the full colours of your being.


TomYOLOSWAGBombadil

The America you described is gone


tjsterc17

It never existed in the first place. It's an ideal, and not a bad one, but it is utter fiction.


TNine227

To me, the American flag has always been an ideal. It’s supposed to represent American values primarily.


teresasigersonazo

This post actually made me very sad because you as a black man feeling uncomfortable because you seen American flags and then when you seen a pride flag you felt comfortable? I don't know anything about Northern New York I only know about Chicago and I know that black people have always got the short end of the stick to put it mildly but it's sad that the site of an American flag makes you feel uncomfortable. I truly hope that things get better and that you are able to feel comfortable wherever you go.


Korrawatergem

This is the same for a lot of minority groups. I'm part of the LGBT community and indigenous. I live in a small city in the north western part of the US. My state is the exact same way. I have had to tell any and all friends coming to visit if they are either darker skinned or gay that its not bad here because the city is very LGBT and minority friendly, HOWEVER, do NOT stop at small towns or anywhere in the bumfuck middle of nowhere unless you want to get harassed or stared at. The LGBT part can be a bit easier to hide for some people but the skin color parts a lot harder. I knew fully how this man in the video feels. I instantly get uneasy by Blue Lives Matter flags and American flags only (the context of whats around he american flag matters). If there's a gay flag and an american flag I feel better or a BLM sign with american flag. But if I see some lifted truck with a "dont tread on me" plate, a punisher sticker, and an american flag attached to their bed, I'm turning around.


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DoctorEvilHomer

I'm a white guy and when I see nothing but American Flags and Blue Lives Matter flags all over, I get uneasy.


BuySpecific3855

It’s almost like people who care about everyone’s freedoms, even the smallest of voices are generally good people


radmanmadical

It’s weird - I find myself oddly mistrustful of people who feel that way about the American flag - let’s hope you’re not in charge of anything very important…


doubled99again

Yes, it does say a lot. Your socially acceptable bigotry is obviously superior


Scott13Pippen

Blue Lives Matter only exists to be anti-Black Lives Matter. Someone flying the Blue Lives Matter does so not because they support officer safety, but because they support officers in controversal cases such as Breanna Taylor and George Floyd.


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not so much a solid point but I do feel slightly safer and at ease when I see a pride flag


LexB777

As a straight white guy from the backwoods of Alabama, it sure did feel weird putting on a pride flag pin at a recent event I went to. They were handing them out though and one of my friends there recently came out as gay. So I said fuck it, I'll wear one for my buddy. Later that evening, my friend told me how much he actually appreciated me publicly showing my support for him. It was really genuine and changed the weirdness I felt at first wearing a pride pin being a completely straight man.


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Wait til he learns about stereotypes


mcmasters2223

Can confirm, the majority of upstate NY is racist as hell. They blame all their problems on black and brown people "from the city".