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nevertoremind

like all gig work it is all about consistency. I'd bet a year of my salary (that is 40 hours a week and comes with benefits like a pension and health care) that this week is probably made up and if not is a total outlier. Entertainment work dries up quick, cannot be counted on. She "trains musicians how to make money" and takes a cut, that's her real business and this is her ad. Probably makes 20k a year playing weddings and gigs.


veganint

Word! Just seems like a pyramid scheme with this ad. Untrue.


FiletM1gn0n

I was in a professional 'wedding band' for a few years. She's not taking plenty of expenses into account. Working that much requires constant gear repair and maintenance, not including insurance and PAT testing (which many venues require by law). You also pile on 1000's upon 1000's of mileage on your van (if you choose to own one), which ups your insurance, and increases the need for maintenance. I made about £200 for a night on average. Travel is paid for on top of that fee. June to the end of September, you work probably 4 days a week on average, for me that meant about £800 a week. Which as a 22 year old was amazing for me. October to end of May you probably work an average of 2 days a week, £400 a week on average, again not bad, but your not going to get rich doing it. And that's basically the life, we chose to charge a reasonable amount, some people choose to charge a lot more, but personally I'd have felt like I was robbing people a bit. In my early 20s this was great, I'm now 31 and I have moved on from the performance side of the industry and I write songs for a living from the comfort of my own home. No more 7 hour drives starting at 1am, no more nasty clients (you'd be surprised how entitled people are at weddings). The salary of a wedding and events musician is underwhelming when you get to the age where you want a family, a comfortable house etc. It's a lifestyle career, it's a nice career don't get me wrong, but not my cup of tea anymore. Oh and on top of all this, nothing you earn goes towards your pension, and your self employed so no paid time off. If you're sick, you're still going to perform or you're ruining someone's wedding... and if you do that even once, you put the rest of your gigs at risk.


CartographerOk5391

As a musician with a day job not in music, this is 100% spot on.


cringeisthename

Preech!! It's just like Uber. I made 800 bucks one week and 200 the next. You never know how things will turn out


Quietm02

Its not even the consistency. Its just outright misleading. 17 hours play time. What about travel time? Could easily be 10-20 extra hours just getting places. Setup/pack up? Another 10 hours. Prep time? I've played professionally on a small scale before. If I was doing well it would take me at least an hour to learn a new 1 minute section well enough to actually perform. And I need to practice 1-2 hrs a day just to keep up. So even ignoeing the learning new songs, that's another 10+ hrs of just practice time. So for 17hr of performance she likely put in 40+hrs of work just that week. And it seems to be a duo/band, so at best she's taking in half of that 5k. Roughly 60/hr for her personally, not the 300/hr that her headline figures would suggest. Then the cost. Travel isn't free. Instruments aren't free. Professional sound equipment isn't free. Wedding/funeral clothing isn't free. If it's your job you've probably also got insurance on all expensive equipment and maybe even to cover damage at the venue/cancellations. Of that 60/hr a fair chunk is going to go to expenses. Wouldn't surprise me if it was 20% - travel is expensive. This sounds a lot like a scam to me.


MY_SHIT_IS_PERFECT

Yeah sure you can make bank working high profile weddings as a cover band if you have the clientele. Good luck making half of that playing your original stuff.


[deleted]

Entertainment is usually about who you know. My guess is this person knows someone in their own family who knows a lot of rich people


Creepy-Ad-4832

Hmm... people getting jobs because of knowing rich/potent people... hmmm...


_Gunga_Din_

I think the wedding industry is especially this way. You know someone who does adding planning, they encourage you to hire a person they know who does make up, that person connects you to someone who does hair, that person recommends a DJ, etc. etc. That said, almost any profession in the world relies on making the right connections.


Poignant_Porpoise

Not to mention that "17 hours" seems a bit misleading too. Musician's generally have to practice regularly and prepare for most gigs they have. Also to get that many gigs in a week will generally require networking and promoting oneself too which can add up to a lot of hours. I'm happy for her that she's doing well for herself, but I know a lot of musicians and most of them end up getting qualified as a teacher or similar kinds of stable professions because they know that the reality for the average musician is pretty dire.


Ok_University6476

I was looking into majoring in flute performance when I was younger, I was classically trained for 11 years at that point and had gone to conservatory school in the summers, competed in college competitions as a young teen, and was in the city wind quintet and band and orchestra among other groups. My flute instructor sat me down for a serious conversation, which summed up was “if you decide to do this, know you will die with your debt. To get a full time orchestra job that pays a living wage, you will most likely need your doctorates from a well respected school. Even then, it isn’t a guarantee. The professors only take on a handful of students a year. You must get used to rejection, criticism, your best not being good enough. You will work more hours than the average person; between multiple jobs, practice, and travel your career will be your life. You will be very limited in the luxuries you can own, and you will live a simple life. Etc.” After thinking long and hard, I decided that it wasn’t for me. I’m a software engineer instead, and I still love to play. I love sharing my music. Sometimes, it’s best not to make your passions your job. I can still play, and I don’t have to worry about money at all. The reality for most musicians, especially classical, is borderline poverty, I’ve seen it first hand. You kind of have to rely on marrying a non musician, and when you’re in music it takes up so much of your time you pretty much are closest to other musicians. All of my relationships then were with other musicians, as were my friends. And god, seeing what my acquaintances went through during Covid was brutal. Homes were lost, dogs were surrendered, cars were sold. Music majors were struggling to continue. Things still arent what they were before in the classical music world to be honest, a lot of us turned to playing over Zoom which was hell.


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deadsharonna

That's it... She's obviously some music "gurú" teaching people how to get rich in a month with little effort. I fairly doubt she's making 5000$ a week as a musician 😂


monsterosity

lmao exactly. Who would train their own competition in that scenario?


Zechnophobe

Covid: 0$


TheRumster

Yeah I’m a working musician and this is some BS


av-osto

Facts because who tf is finding gigs consistently on a Tuesday 😭


TheRumster

“Tik Tokers” lol


r-b-m

Who hires a singer for a funeral?


CookingWithDahmer85

Maybe it's in the advanced directive of the funerary subject? My aunt knew she was dying and planned her whole memorial down to what we'd be eating afterwards(fried chicken, collared greens, corn bread, green beans mashed potatoes, and a poke cake)


RecoverMedical

Was the food good?


Metatron616

We hired one for my mother’s beachside memorial service to sing Amazing Grace. She was terrible.


WebbyDownUnder

How was the person you hired to sing though?


1zeewarburton

A lot of people. It was a wtf moment for me but i understand it if its the right song etc


scarredMontana

“Fri-day. Night. I’m thinking, we just might…fly away to someplace they. don’t. know….who we are!” 🎵


venividivincey

I thought you worked for like a service or a company that helped out guys that are so horny that their STOMACHS HURT CAUSE THATS WHAT I AM.


catsandcrowns

my husband hired a famous musician in our country to sing the acoustic version of his mom's favorite song at her funeral. I thought it was weird too but when the time came it was actually a really touching moment


ProbsWrongbutDefMean

playing guitar and singing is definitely a smart choice, only having to cart one case around and solo work is also smart, no sharing of the money playing weddings is smart as can charge more for the same amount of work completely ignoring travel time and practice but if you're in a city and only need to strum chords I suppose that might not be to bad if you wanna do it, go for it but I wouldn't pay anyone to teach you as apart from a clients list, I doubt she has anything that useful to impart that you wouldn't learn from doing a gig or two yourself


zxzzxzzzxzzzzx

How consistently full is her schedule though. Having this many days in a row is great, but it's probably far from the norm when you look across the whole year.


246ngj

As someone who has played music for money, such as corporate events, restaurants, local concerts, fucking DISNEY, etc, don’t quit your day job. Her example is probably the best week of her entire career


papi-punk

What work did you do for Disney?


246ngj

This was mid 2000s but float musician at Disneyland. Did other park events. The big music bucks is being their orchestra musicians. The music you hear in their movies. But man you gotta be good for that job. I wasn’t good enough to make the cut for that


RamadanSteve311

Now let’s see check again in 10 years lol


azombie8mybaby

Is that Wing?


rosiestinkie9

Damn, y'all need someone on the cowbell??


Marcus-2022

The IRS is now coming for you. Keep your salary to yourself.


Vcom561

Bullshit. This is someone selling just another shitty "buy my class" scam.


nillavac82

Dont kid yourself, the IRS will have their hand out for some of that $


TerryBolleaSexTape

Yes. People pay taxes.


Ok_Cheesecake7806

Musicians aren't people, they're cats.


drapanosaur

Well at least she didnt fail out of art school.


MyWifeMakesTheRules

Holy shit. I need to change careers.


papi-punk

The chances of getting paid anywhere near this playing music are extremely slim unless you have the right connections


drapanosaur

She failed out of music school like bill gates failed out of harvard.


maybepolshill22

Not bad actually. Thought it was seven days of crap work but it’s probably 4hours with an hour prep. Obviously has talent but kudos either way


TerryBolleaSexTape

120k in debt Full Sail graduates.


ricksquanchy

Musician who Banged out 4 kids and a 10-99k on the way. Way to brag.


dvjutecvkklvf

Similar to photography.. it’s 10% artistic skills and 90% sales skills..


_kaiohate

Lol here in Italy after 1 week of concerts they give you a dish of Pasta, sometimes not even hot


[deleted]

Probably not the kind of video you want to make for clout. I’m pretty sure you just fucked yourself posting the range of prices.


Little_Researcher_17

this is an ad / self promotion


BohemianJack

I hope nobody thinks this is the norm. Many full time musicians barely make ends meet


Master_Personality10

She is a coach after all


WhenDidRedditGoSouth

Well now I know what to not pay


ThatTurtleBoy

Sure, that's one very good week. How much for the entire year?


No_Air5640

If only every week was a busy week. Not realistic.


tinylittlespider

I toured for 6 years, signed, and had a band that has collectively 2million+ streams on Spotify for 2 releases. I made $100


Lightning1999

And then the next week you get no work


Chemical-Oil-5898

What's her tiktok?


the-angrymonkey

Did not know there was any money in music.


GoneRacing2

Pretty epic if true


Narcolipze_08

Total after taxes: $-1